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Why I‘ll Never Make It

Patrick Oliver Joneswhyillnevermakeit.com
The actor’s journey is one of occasional highs and frequent lows. It is a path riddled with self-doubt and frustration as we question our career choices, wondering if we’ll ever really ”make it.” But it is those few moments of glory on stage or screen that can sustain us through all the setbacks and challenges. On this award-winning podcast, New York actor Patrick Oliver Jones invites fellow creatives to share three stories that offer a behind-the-scenes look at the creative life rarely seen in the glitz and glam of this industry. These conversations remind us we’re not alone in this often bumpy and winding journey of the performing arts.
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Episodes

Gabrielle Ruiz Discusses THE ADDAMS FAMILY National Tour and Female Representation in the Arts (REWIND)

As we talked about in Part One, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is what put Gabrielle Ruiz on the map. However, it was her theater training and performance abilities that made it possible for her to be cast in the show. In this rewind episode from 2021, we talk more about her time on the stage and what drives her most as an artist. Subscribe or Donate to WINMI Subscribing helps support this podcast, while also giving early access to extended conversations and other bonus content. Donating can be done on a o...

Mar 18, 202443 minSeason 8Ep. 7

FINAL FIVE with Ann Harada, Broadway Actress and Singer

In the previous episode, you heard actress and singer Ann Harada share her stories of grinding it out as an Asian actress trying to fit in with what she thought casting directors wanted but then discovered her superpower as an artist, being herself. Now she’s back to share more lessons she’s learned and answer the Final Five Questions in this bonus episode of Why I’ll Never Make It. To get more bonus content like Auditions Stories and get early access to these full conversations ad-free, become ...

Mar 11, 202426 minSeason 8Ep. 6

Ann Harada Learns That Her Greatest Asset as an Actor Is Being Herself

Ann Harada will be the first to tell you that finding happiness and satisfaction in the acting business didn’t come quickly or easily for her. In fact, her first Broadway credit came as a production assistant, not as an actor. She followed that up with ensemble roles in M. Butterfly and Suessical . But between those two shows was a ten-year gap, and it wasn’t until her next Broadway show that Ann Harada truly made a name for herself as Christmas Eve in Avenue Q . In our conversation, she talks a...

Mar 04, 202437 minSeason 8Ep. 5

FINAL FIVE with Lydia-Renee Darling, Actress and Producer

Last week you heard actress, writer, and entrepreneur Lydia-Renee Darling share her stories of growing up in an immigrant household and then her own experiences of living and working in other countries as an artist. Now she’s back to answer the Final Five Questions in this bonus episode. To get more bonus content like Auditions Stories and listen to these full conversations ad-free, then become a subscriber by going to whyillnevermakeit.com and click Subscribe. Podcast theme music created by hos...

Feb 26, 202415 minSeason 8Ep. 4

Lydia-Renee Darling Embraces Change and Learns to Become a Better Artist

Lydia-Renee Darling is the very definition of a well rounded, multi hyphenate artist. She got her BFA in musical theater from Webster University in St. Louis and a Masters in writing for stage and broadcast media from the Royal Central School in London. She’s a filmmaker and a playwright and founded her own DEI entertainment marketing and virtual production company called Oh! (My Gosh) Creative. Being someone who has both embraced and been challenged by changes throughout her life, Lydia-Renee s...

Feb 19, 202443 minSeason 8Ep. 3

Steve Cuden (Part 2) Discovers His Talent for Animation Writing & The Art of StoryBeats

As an actor I fully appreciate and recognize that I couldn’t do what I do without a writer doing what they do. Their words and characters are the basis for any work I’ve had in theater, television, or film. The writer’s strike this past summer highlighted just how important they are, because without them there is no entertainment industry. In part one of my conversation with writer Steve Cuden, we talked about the process of creating the musical Jekyll & Hyde with Frank Wildhorn. For this se...

Feb 12, 202455 minSeason 8Ep. 2

Steve Cuden (Part 1) Leaving the Jekyll & Hyde He Helped Create

For the first guest of this season, I’m talking with writer Steve Cuden , who was a part of a musical and its beginning stages, but was eventually replaced right before it began to take off and become the hugely iconic Jekyll & Hyde musical we all know. In fact, it was Steve's first foray into writing with another unknown composer and writer at the time, Frank Wildhorn. And in part one of our conversation, Steve opens up about their personal and professional relationship in ways that he has ...

Feb 05, 20241 hrSeason 8Ep. 1

Season 8 Preview

For Season 8, we're diving deep into the world of theater once agin with guests from Broadway, West End, and regional theaters near and far. From seasoned veterans to fresh faces on the scene, each episode is packed with candid conversations and inspiring stories about life in the performing arts industry. Join me as I sit down with actors, directors, writers, and more to explore the highs and lows of chasing dreams in the spotlight. Subscribers will continue to get audition room horror stories ...

Jan 29, 202417 min

A Moment to Revisit "The Band's Visit" on Broadway (REWIND)

Five years ago, "The Band's Visit," a musical defying convention, closed on Broadway after a year and a half of acclaim. Composed by David Yazbek and written by Itamar Moses, it emerged as a masterpiece, transcending Broadway norms. At the 2018 Tony Awards, it earned 11 nominations, winning 10, including Best Musical, beating stiff competition like SpongeBob Squarepants and Frozen. Now, in 2024, amidst current Middle East headlines dividing people, let's revisit this Arab-Israeli musical that ex...

Jan 16, 202426 minSeason 7Ep. 28

Clifton Duncan (Part 2) Addressing Groupthink in the Theater Community

With politics becoming more and more a part of our daily lives, the theater and acting profession are certainly no strangers to it influence and impact. While it can be a force for change and understanding, my guest today talks about the ways in which it can further divide as well. In the first part of my conversation with Clifton Duncan , he shared deeply personal reflections on the complexities of the theater industry's response to the pandemic and the challenges he faced as an individual in t...

Dec 30, 202355 minSeason 7Ep. 27

Clifton Duncan (Part 1) Embracing Authenticity and Its Consequences

Meryl Streep once said that "acting is not about being someone different. It is about finding the similarity in what is apparently different, then finding myself in there.” She is in essence urging us to discover the common threads in our seemingly diverse experiences. And the final guest of the season has had quite a few experiences these past couple of years. Clifton Duncan is a seasoned performer on stage and screen, with appearances in critically-acclaimed productions on and off Broadway and...

Dec 18, 202357 minSeason 7Ep. 26

Emily Grace on Directing Ourselves and Our Own Careers

We read and hear a lot these days about how actors need to be their own producers and creating their own work. In my own career about the only thing I’m creating are self-tapes, which are truly productions in and of themselves for sure--based on all the requirements and props and lines and technical aspects that are required to just put together a one-minute audition. But actually writing producing directing starring in our own work is a daunting task, so I wanted to talk to someone who is not o...

Dec 04, 202338 minSeason 7Ep. 25

Luke Yankee Highlights the Mishaps and Misadventures We All Endure as Actors

Get ready for a rollercoaster ride through the highs and lows of the acting world with today's guest, Luke Yankee , who is no stranger to the trials and triumphs of the industry. As a versatile artist sporting multiple hats, Luke draws inspiration from the incredible legacy of his mother, the legendary Eileen Heckart —a powerhouse who clinched the Oscar, Drama Desk, Golden Globe, and Emmy Awards with a special Tony Honor as well. In this engaging conversation, Luke unveils the behind-the-scenes ...

Nov 20, 202338 minSeason 7Ep. 24

Sharon Catherine Brown Live at BroadwayCon 2023!

In an enjoyable BroadwayCon encounter this past summer, I found myself in the heart of all things Broadway, rubbing shoulders with the stars and hosting live interviews for the Broadway Podcast Network. While my conversation with Jelani Alladin about Frozen and Hercules was already shared in a previous episode, today we delve into my interview with the talented Broadway actress Sharon Catherine Brown . I had the pleasure of working with her on a new musical last year, and we dive into some of th...

Nov 06, 202334 minSeason 7Ep. 23

Tjasa Ferme Engages Audiences by Blending Science and Theater

Tjasa Ferme is more than an actress; she's a dynamic creator who writes, produces, and stars in her own work. Her artistic vision revolves around transformation, pushing the boundaries of what is possible and challenging traditional relationships between actors and audiences. Tjasa shares her journey from Europe as a rock star's daughter and early experiences on the Slovenia stage, to becoming a fearless actress and artistic director in the heart of New York City. We'll dive into three stories t...

Oct 23, 202344 minSeason 7Ep. 22

John Rubinstein, a Man of Many Talents

John Rubinstein was born the son of renowned pianist Arthur Rubinstein, and his early exposure to theater in the 8th grade ignited a passion that would shape the trajectory of extraordinary career. He catapulted to Broadway stardom originating the title role in Pippin , directed by Bob Fosse, and won a Tony Award for his compelling performance in Children of a Lesser God . A true renaissance man, John's artistic pursuits extend beyond the stage into television and film as well, both as an actor ...

Oct 09, 20231 hr 8 minSeason 7Ep. 21

Richard Maltby Jr. and the Curious Case of Nick & Nora's Failure on Broadway

This summer marked the beginning of my new podcast venture, Closing Night , where I delve deep into the captivating world of Broadway history. Our journey takes us through the tales of shows that have graced the Marquis Theater in the heart of Times Square. Among the unforgettable productions is the notorious musical Nick & Nora , boasting a creative team brimming with legendary figures of musical theater: director Arthur Laurents, composer Charles Strouse, and lyricist Richard Maltby Jr. Se...

Sep 25, 202345 minSeason 7Ep. 20

Jocelyn Panton Finds Freedom After Failure in the Pageant World and Being $50K in Debt

As a child, Jocelyn Panton attended a musical theater production that came to her hometown in Canada, and she just knew that’s what she wanted to do one day. Well, she stuck to that dream and has gone on to do television and film, including Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief , and the CW’s DC‘s Legends of Tomorrow, among others. But as any actor will tell you, money becomes an important part of our career, whether you actually have it or not. It can inform the decisions we make and the opport...

Sep 11, 202352 minSeason 7Ep. 19

Dan Knechtges Goes from Broadway Director to Artistic Director

Regional theater is really the lifeblood of the performing arts in America. It’s the place where we get that first spark and inspiration to become lifelong theatergoers or decide to become actors ourselves. But in recent years regional theaters have been struggling to find audiences and to just stay open. The pandemic caused some to close their doors for good, and the ones that remain suffered through uncertain futures. Theatre Under the Stars in Houston, Texas was one such theater that canceled...

Aug 28, 20231 hr 1 minSeason 7Ep. 18

Jelani Alladin Live at BroadwayCon!

In July of this summer, I did my very first BroadwayCon , which is an annual conference here in New York City about all things Broadway and theater, and while I was there, I got to be a part of events hosted by the Broadway Podcast Network. I conducted live interviews with two actors that I’ve had the pleasure of working with before: Jelani Alladin and Sharon Catherine Brown. Sharon’s interview will actually be featured in a few weeks on my other podcast Closing Night , so follow that theater hi...

Aug 14, 202332 minSeason 7Ep. 17

Noah Crandell Finds a Silver Lining in the Struggles of Being an Actor

In the midst of the devastating impact of the pandemic on the arts, there's a unique perspective rarely explored--that of artists just entering the performing arts world when Covid struck. In this episode, Noah Crandell shares how he not only survived these challenges but also experienced a profound personal and artistic transformation. Noah's visionary approach to theater sets him apart, and we delve into how college programs prepare actors (or fall short) for the real world of acting. Interest...

Jul 31, 202355 minSeason 7Ep. 16

Welcome to Closing Night at the Marquis Theatre!

Last year, the idea for a new theater history podcast came up as Dan Delgado and I were working on The Little Prince episodes . Well, it took me awhile to get the ball rolling, but the first season of Closing Night is finally here with a focus on Broadway's Marquis Theater. This first episode preview covers the contentious history of this theater and the protests that surrounded its construction. Future episodes will chronicle the many troubled productions that have come and gone in this theater...

Jul 17, 202339 minSeason 7Ep. 16

Lisa Lampanelli, The Queen of Mean Makes Nice and Gets Personal About Life on the Stage

I was in college when I first discovered Lisa Lampanelli , a stand-up comedian, insult comic, actress, and writer who is known for her sharp wit, fearless humor, and ability to push the boundaries of comedy. She has legions of fans around the country and has performed on countless stages across the country, released numerous albums and appeared on various TV specials. So it is an honor to have Lisa on the podcast as we explore her unique style of comedy that made her a staple in the entertainmen...

Jul 03, 202353 minSeason 7Ep. 15

E. Clayton Cornelious on Persistence and Opportunity as a Broadway Actor and Producer

E Clayton Cornelious has been a part of 10 Broadway shows : in the ensemble, as an understudy and swing, as well as in starring roles, and even as a producer. And in one of those he made an appearance in voiceover. And it is this diversity of work that we will be talking about today. It will shed light on the fact that things haven’t been as easy for him as it may seem. He’s had to overcome some definite obstacles, and gather a bit of persistence along the way. So from the bright lights of Broad...

Jun 19, 202346 minSeason 7Ep. 14

Tony Award Nominees Talk About RAGTIME and XANADU on Broadway

My first conversation is with Marcia Milgrom Dodge , who I am so grateful to have met for the first time in this interview. We had a wonderful discussion about her 2009 production of Ragtime that started at the Kennedy Center in D.C. and then transferred to Broadway later that year. Though that revival had a short run, she did receive a Tony nomination for best direction. The second conversation is with Dan Knetgches , and we have worked together on a couple of shows. The first was Seussical at ...

Jun 07, 202345 minSeason 7Ep. 13

Sidney Myer Found a Home and Family in New York Cabarets

Cabarets have been an integral part of New York City's cultural fabric for over a century, offering a unique blend of entertainment, social commentary, and artistic expression. From the early 1900s to the present day, cabarets have served as a hub for artistic experimentation and innovation. They have also served as a launching pad for many Broadway stars, including Liza Minnelli, Barbra Streisand, Audra McDonald, and others who got their start honing skills and building a loyal fan base before ...

May 22, 20231 hr 1 minSeason 7Ep. 11

Why I’ll Never Make It Joins the Broadway Podcast Network!

Well, after more than five years, Why I’ll Never Make It is taking a big leap forward as a Podcast, joining the highly respected and expansive Broadway Podcast Network . So over the coming weeks, you’ll notice some changes to the podcast format. You’ll hear that short ID tag before every episode, and there will also be something that this podcast has never had: advertisements. For years I have remained a tried and true independent podcaster, but with the ever-increasing costs of producing a podc...

May 08, 20232 min

Corrie Legge Shares How Choices Have Shaped Her Acting Career

Previous guest Michael Kushner loves to use the term multi-hyphenate to illustrate the many ways we can express our creative selves. Well, Corrie Legge describes herself as a multi-passionate actor , having performed in television, film, theater, commercials, video games, audiobooks, and more. She's also a filmmaker and a coach , helping others to build thriving creative careers without having to sacrifice a fulfilling personal life in the process. Corrie and I spoke earlier this year about a pa...

May 08, 202352 minSeason 7Ep. 10

Jack Canfora Continues to Learn as a Playwright, Even From His Critics

Writing is by its very nature, a solitary practice. Whether with pen and paper or in front of a computer screen, it is generally time spent alone, creating a world of characters and stories. Acting, on the other hand is generally a collaborative and shared effort in bringing those characters and stories to life. Psychologist Marti Olsen Laney says that writing and speaking use different pathways in the brain. Extroverts tend to speak more easily in front of others, while the writing pathways sim...

Apr 24, 202345 minSeason 7Ep. 9

Remembering Phantom of the Opera with Cast Member Jeremy Stolle (REWIND)

It took 35 years, but Phantom of the Opera has finally left Broadway. It was a show that I first discovered in high school, and I went on to perform “Music of the Night” several times in high school and college. So when I moved to New York in 2008, Phantom was certainly at the top of my list of musicals that I wanted to audition for. I did actually get to audition for Raoul as well as Monsieurs Fermin and Andre, with multiple packets of music and sides, but it just wasn’t meant to be. #whyillnev...

Apr 17, 202338 minSeason 7Ep. 8
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