Episode 22: Great hexpectations

Welcome to Who’s turn is it anyway a board gaming podcast centred around a gaming group where we just can't get enough about games, games and even more games on JP. I'm your current first player, and I'm joined by Davey. Hello, Becky.

Hi,

Guess who's back back again? Kerley

Glutton for punishment. I love it. Too much. Love it. I love it.

I have chatted about games, or games anyway, but we're here to talk about when gaming expectations don't always hit the mark. More about that later. But how's everyone doing?

Oh, good. Really good. Started my new job. You have haven’t you? I’m really enjoying it?

Riding on the high that is a new job and oh my god, it's a new job. My head hurts

Yeah. I'm feeling exhausted. Yeah. And yeah,

I asked her what she was doing, are they and she said, wafting. so it can't be that fucking hard. Why wafting around the hospital.

I was going around to each department to see how the new starters were doing so I was going in and wafting in Oh,

Yeah, because we're from Somerset is probably waaaffting

Wow.

That's Trey.

I’m from Leicester, it’s wafting.

Yeah, well, I did wonder if it was like, you know more the

North to us.

Anyway, shall we get on with the show It’s turn two. It's time to talk about the games we played in let's talk about hex. So Becky I'm gonna let you go first because we're very excited

I hope that you realise that you are speaking to one of the crokinole Wales 2023 team tournament winners so me Ian and Kris all from the pod that went to all those Wales and we won the team tournament crokinile championship. Yeah. Very pleased about that

Gold medal and everything. She hasn't finished talking about

It’s hanging up in the kitchen I nearly wore it to my first day of work because I was so excited

It’s the wallpaper on your phone

I was very much not expecting it to happen because we did it in seeds. So you know obviously the best player is seed one second seed 2 and I was obviously seed three and thought that I was going to let the whole side down and to be honest I did a little bit however it it all came good in the end. And yeah, we got the points on a great time was had by everyone. Everyone was really friendly. Just shout out to Steve borrowers don't think he listens. But you know, if you listen to this, give them a

Lovely. Seats them like how do you know us?

Well, we decided in our little team between me and Kris I decided I was definitely third seed. First was Ian, Kris was second. We did two rounds of doubles,seed two and three doubles against seed two and three and the other teams then we did seed one and three. While two play singles and then we did singles. Yeah, it was really good. Really well organised really thoroughly, thoroughly good fun

More crokinole, more shooting 20’s

I didn't get a lot of 20s Not gonna lie like 20 count was not good enough it's really good fun.

Yeah, I can tell you at a good time and he put some kind of pics and things on the social team where basically you all just looked very pleased with yourselves

We were surprise because they took aggregate scores and then the end kind of announced it and we kind of okay we weren't fourth we weren't third we're gonna go home yeah

YeAh, now you've got the medals you're gonna have to hold on to your first position.

Absolutely defending your honour.

Yeah title the broadcasts the podcast. Reputation Yeah, so anything now?

I will say Becky puts herself down but we had a one on one at the UKGE tournament and you were not easy at all. I think we drew did we?

I think we probably did. Yeah,

I think it was a really tough one and I did oil on it. No, yeah. Becky can hold her own.

It was good. I need to practice more.

Yeah. What is it you said to me the day before you're gonna practice

I said no, I'm relying on my natural skill and talent which is why I'm third seed. No it was it was really funny actually. I wouldn't have mind if we did come in fourth after we had really good fun. It was really good.

Yeah, you went there just to play Crokinole. Yeah, absolutely. So that's what you don't want. So even if that was a nice one, well done. Alright, let's move on to Davey just because you sat next to each other.

Yeah, why not? So I'm played a lot in the new year, but over Christmas time played a role board games, as I'm sure everyone did. played quite a few. But the one I'm going to mention is a bit more of a lightweight game. It's just a trick taking game that I think I did mention before, but maybe not. It’s Skull King. And it's basically your standard trick taking game, you could probably play it with a deck of cards, but it's got its own artwork and

What biscuit, Borbon?

No, no, I think custard cream is Cheeky, yeah exactly nice creamy centre.

So tell us a bit more that. So obviously, trick taking. So you're playing, you know, a hand of cards and playing suits and follow suits and things like

There's different rules you can do. But the one we started off with was the round number dictates how many cards you got. So how many tricks so it's one card out of a deck of Dragon, I can't remember how many cards are in there. But it's basically you've got three different colours, purple, green, and yellow. Those are one to 14 each. And then you've got a black suit, which trumps those others, all of those others. Otherwise, it's just number base. And then you've got

Reminds me of nomination whist. If you ever played that, yeah, was this like a trick taking game? nomination is that you said how many tricks you're going to get? Yeah. Okay, so you would if you said 11 or 13 or whatever, you're equally good as

Yeah, is that but it's just got some added bonus rules in there that spice it up. Yeah, and the pirates have powers as well depending on what part you play and stuff like that. So that's fun. Yeah, is really fun.

Sounds like that kind of not like anything like Love Letter, but it's that kind of wait game easy to get to the table speak so many many games.

You can just play at any time kind of crack out again because we've got the game down in like 40 minutes Yeah.

Kerlington the third

Kerlington to the third? Is the

Don’t question there's no logic it's just a stupid name. Carry on.

Yeah, so always played. I played it before. We've talked about it before. So I'm not going to get a great amount of detail. But Perseverance first time we've got that to the table in a couple of months. I still really love that fucking game. I know. Favourites honestly. Yeah, I know that it's a little bit hit or miss which kind of fits in with the group into the into the today's episode, right? Yeah, because I know Davey doesn't like Episode One, particularly episode one.

If not, why don't we briefly back and have a list that was my favourite episode

Yeah. But yeah, this one's basically you get stranded on an island after Is it a ship that

You’re you're on the wreck? The Pearl I think it's called and yeah, basically this ship goes through a storm and crash landing on

A community of people crash land on an island and You’ve got to try and survive but this Island happens to have a lot of dinosaurs on it. So you got to kind of band together and, you know, go for food and get scrapped together and fight off the Dinos and put defences together walls and all this kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's in its essence it's, I guess, a worker placement but instead of workers you go use dice. Symbol, yeah, dice drafting type thing. But yeah, just really interesting

Yeah, I think my favourite moment is probably a bit harsh, but one of my favourite moments is when playing episode two, you were broken. I've never I've never seen you have as much analysis paralysis ever in my life where you just sat look to the border when fucking started flailing. It's like a robot run out. Like

It doesn’t matter very much. But I just, I just looked at that game. And it wasn't only analysis paralysis, it was a mixture of analysis paralysis, and getting a massive headache just from there being so many different options. And it wasn't that I didn't know what to do.

We've learned it.

But there are certain things because I had the same with Anachrony When I first sat down with Anachrony, I was just like, What the hell?

Now you know how I feel in every game

Like, that's how I found

But I soldier on anyway,

It sounded harsh, but it was kind of like issue man, after all, like the machine or the efficiency machine is Kerley does sometimes break down. Yeah.

Like really, I just broke it down. I was nearly at the point where we're gonna take this top out. But yeah, loved it. Loved it. Loved

Loved it. Cool. I will take on a game we played literally last night. And we haven't played since Halloween of 2021 I believe. And it's a game that

It was one of the first ones we had coming back from

Yeah. And it was, I think the game that got Adrian into COVID. the gaming group. Yeah, it was his first ever game with like, heartbroken and your car broke down. Yes. So if the if it hadn't kind of guessed Halloween themed horror themed going on, let's play every year that time. And we didn't last year for whatever reason. It's Fury of Dracula. So Fury of Dracula, is in its fourth edition might even be coming for a fifth, but it's

Asked me to name them. Yeah,

I should know the names after the quiz. No. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So along with Mina Harker Mina and the Dr. John Seward and Lord Godalming. So those are the hunters that are kind of in lead to try and stop drag. So yeah, it's a very clever game, very thematic. And it's, you know, I like playing Dracula. I didn't play Drac last night. We had Tambo. Yeah, which was his first ever game and I think it was sterling job. sterling job he wouldn't the game as well and I know it was

Turn turn one.

Was it turn one?

Yeah, you moved once and caught him?

Yes. So turn one, my first moment move ones sprung into action. There's Drac I think Tambo’s face was great. This is gonna be a short. But to be fair, when you're early in the game, as a hunter, you've got no items, you've got no events, you've got nothing, and basically are trying to go toe to toe with Drac with punch dodging, escape. So every now and then I was punching him. He was slapping me back. He got a bite on me, mesmerised me bit

You don't come and help you then where's it as you

I was in Eastern Europe on my own?

One we were all Yes. The other time spread out

He was the punching bag for two hours.

Well, you've got to keep in mind right with with this game. And I know you've played it before, right? But Dracula disappeared. Yeah. And then JP kind of limped off. So we were all like, right where the hell's he gone? So we were like, you know, is he gonna go to Ocean? Is he gonna go here? So we started to spread out and try and find him again. And then of course, who found him again? JP. Double back. Yeah. So basically duffel bags and gave JP and other shoeing while we run? Oh, we could be

Run away from the wounded one. Yeah.

I like it because it is a cooperative game to a degree. So the three of you it's cooperative. Versus one . Yeah. But it's, it's still it's still a really good challenge. And it's really nice, kind of, like I reckon you might be here on a wall with we work it back. You could be there. So there's a lot of thought about it. And the whole time this other person's kind of thinking. I know exactly where I am. And that's just a really fun, fun dynamic in the game. I think

I like Tambo mentioned that he was like, he did feel like that. But every single time JP was like, no, no, he could do this. He was right. Every single flooding.

You're reading his mind without you. I mean, you were Mina Harker without realising you about being

But less sexier.

Trying to beat yourself down.

Thanks, guys. Yeah,

I think JP just hands up in some heels and a dress like he's over there.

Why not? So no, it's yeah, I always enjoy you Fury Dracula. I think my only complaint about the game and this is me being nitpicky. Is it can go on. It can go on a bit. Yeah, I have to tap out. Yeah, you feel poorly. I'm going to bed. Yeah, I

I didn't feel great. And I knew I had to get up for work. The next morning. I was like, Oh, I don't want to use

It’s it's one of those games it does last long. And if you if everyone. But you're part of the story, shall we say where you're doing lots of things like I was I was getting my head kicked in. I was fighting Dracula. You know, I felt like I wasn't involved member of the team. There were other members that maybe did less just by the fact that where they were on the board and where

But I do agree with you, you are totally, totally right. But it's all about mindset. So I don't go into that game. Thinking that it is an individual doing. So for example, I didn't get a one fight. And I didn't do anything but I still really enjoyed it. Yeah, because we were like deducing it working out where is he as a group and kind of almost playing vicariously is

Like a hive mind versus rack. Yes, exactly. Yeah. It was

You know, are you at the fights and I was like symbol matching and all this stuff and it was cool. But you know, I just laughed at you and you're getting a kick

Somebody can be on Tea making duty as well so that is quite nice.

But no like say that's not me being overly critical. Some people might find that that game that if you write if you've got the mindset of I'm want to play a core part of the story where my character your might not, might not happen.

That's the interesting thing about those when I first played it, it's called Fury of Dracula. Small furious. Yeah, it's literally you wander around it really sedate. And you don't really I didn't have a single fight. I just walked around and picked up items.

If it wasn't right for them to send me to the hospital. Those is reckless vampires.

Now you Kill them.

Oh yeah, now I'll kill you.

When you when he finished off that vampire,

And they healed up a bit, and then he gave me a kicker. Yeah,

Of course. Probably give me various. No, I couldn't give me. I went to the toilet, didn't I? So I'll bet you revolted. Yeah, back when I got back anyway.

I've gone to Bucharest via ambulance. Yeah. Awesome car one. But now, do look, again, always have a plan. It's kind of one I'll kind of play once every year. I say, Should we talk about the main event? So it's the main event. And we're going to talk about great hexpectations. So for everyone who's listening, thinking, What the hell are you talking about? This is essentially board game

He wants to sit on the sofa first, you can't see it, but JP is laid out and it will lie and it

Might feel like this is a bit of a negative episode and we don't kind of want it to feel like it's a negative episode. Like we want to bash on games or, you know, bash on different things there. But, you know, like any therapy session, you feel better when you've talked about stuff. So the positive is

I've got a confession. You're gonna hate me and I don't care. I'm just gonna say anyway. Go. I don't like Viticulture.

Oh, no, don't like it hold it in

It was one of the first games that I played around here. I think it was with with people. I thought oh, this is this is cool. You know, there's stuff going on and I'm I'm not breaking why I'm not really getting it but oh, that does. Okay, pretty second time. I don't like it. I don't like it. It's stupid. Because I know everyone loves it and I get why I do I do. It makes no stupid

He like Wingspan Yep. Where there's lots of birds with different random abilities in the mind.

I mean, it's not mine it's not I just I just don't, and I’msorry about that

This is the point of this episode. So we've all got these little things outsiders like you maybe you want to say and you haven't said yeah, that's it might offend someone or someone owns a game and you don't want to upset them. Like no holds barred right off the table. Say what your lie It's all good.

I just really love the Becky's line in the sand is a vehicle to is unbelievable. And yet she was quite happily building a Dino Island Yeah,

I don't think it's because it's not the really I just it doesn't make sense to me. I don't I find that when I'm playing. I can't really say why exactly because it's it's worker placement, which I like. It uses little kind of cool little meeples that are shaped really like it should I call those things? It it's about production. I should like everything about it. But I just don't. And that's that. Oh, I feel lighter

A problem shared is a problem half. So off the chest so good. Becky's jumped onto that chaise lounges . And now

I don't Like Vinhos, but we've got to kick her off.

There’s a theme. There's a thing people know I don't know

I’ll play another game. We'll see. We'll see. I can't judge on one game. That's why it's my own. My own view of

We we could do a synergy thing. So Viticulture, Vinhos, I things contrast, but don't like On Mars. And then you've got pick something Terraforming Mars. Is that No.

Link? Yes. Yeah.

We definitely need some more thoughts,

We’re going to start with Viticulture today who's gonna jump on the chair next, who's who's got something to share up?

Well, I've got I've got. I've got I've made a little bit of a list, so I'll just pick one of them. Alright, so this one's quite an interesting one because I've got a mixed bag at the table. All right, and Becky, you haven't played this one.

I have an opinion.

Davey hated it. JP loves it. I love it. So it was one of those I expected it had to hit really hard with Davey, and it didn't. So that was my expectation. So Icaion. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that was my one. Me and JP. This was our little baby over lockdown on it. We were playing outside and we could only do two people in the same room and all this kind of stuff. Bubbles directions.

Yeah, whatever it was.

So yeah, okay on and yeah, typed up as a kickstart just before locked down here. We we played the crap out. Yeah, played it a few times to play Absolutely. Well, normalcy enjoys it really interesting puzzle.

Yeah, it's quite hard to explain to people what it is, though. Yeah, so weird.

Yeah, when I started, when I sat down to play it, I did not expect it to play like that, where you've got this massive, great big Colossus in there, and you expect it to be like, it's gonna kick your crap out of it. And it just wanders around the board.

And you're just you try and steal? Yeah, exactly. He's not wrong.

Trying to put things in. But yeah, so yeah, really interesting puzzle, and absolutely love it. But then you played it, Davey, and I want you to give it another go. Because I didn't teach it overly Well, or No, I did. But I missed one key rule. That then meant they just gave me no. Yeah, I think possibly it might have frustrated that things. Anyway, doesn't matter. The point of the matter is give it another go. But at the time, I was really surprised you didn't like it. Yeah,

I mean, I played it twice. I didn't like it twice. But there was so no, I played it twice, upload it once before. But it was such a long time between the two plays, and forgot how to play the game. And then so it was learning everything from a new and it just, there's some there's, there's some random elements I don't like about it. And it's got everything that I should like, but it just doesn't it didn't seem to gel with me. But

Can you want to play a game? Sure. So how did that feel made? Like you obviously got game you're really excited to play it and then you think you think this is gonna be like, a short thing, right?

Yeah, I think it's always as long as like, I've got

I guess you just knew or you thought you knew exactly. About what you thought that Davey would like and less than

Games other people find like, Yeah, always around. Yeah, I'm sure that will come to On Mars at some point. Yeah. There we go. Thanks for sharing mate. Thanks for sharing. Davey, you want to go next.

Dr. JP, all right. Well, it all started when I was a bit. Yeah, well, probably when I was about five

What’s this inkblot test, a butterfly? but anyway Davey, go on to Rorschach.

Euro euro, euro euro. Yeah. So mine. I'm gonna start with Barrage I think, because I thought this would come up. I might as well start with

To whet the appetite? Yeah.

Because I thought it would be really good contested game. Yeah. But then it's that contention that people didn't really like about it as a Euro because you're building your engine, but then people can latch on or screw up. And yeah, like apparel. So that side of it makes it fun. Because it's got to me, that's replayability in variation, and every game you play is going to be really different. And there's gonna be

That's just knowing the game. And knowing the powers and knowing what to look for a lot of people's first game, but you're referring to the latest one we play, right? So people are like, I have no idea.

Yeah, so we just played it and there was a lot of stuff that just didn't work together. And you probably would have never have had that. Yeah. My powers were like anti powers thing. Yeah, exactly. So I think I think another play would be better but then I think people didn't it didn't enjoy it so much. So it's gonna be hard to get to the tables. Yeah,

I'm one of the ones that likes Barrage. I think it's a really good game and for the reasons that you've said, David, because I quite liked the the contention and the tightness of it and the fact that actually, you bastard, you've stole my water source. Yeah. All of that. And then sometimes, it's quite nice to play a bit of a meaner Euro, whereas a lot of them are quite multiplayer Solitaire. Yeah, I'm just doing my thing on my board and everyone go away. Let me need to calculate all of

Yeah.

Did you play it at the UKGE. Yeah,

Yes, yes.

That's where you stole my water source. I was like, Wait a minute.

Flashback. But yes,

We finished we learned and finished it quicker than they played Lords of Waterdeep.

Lords of Warerdeep is a deceptivelylong game

Can be when I'm playing

It was your first game to be fair

And because there was stupid Mandatory God damned quests

We're about to take him out as due to revolt.

So Barrage Yeah. So you're right. Kerley you're in that game, you don't like it.

I'll tell you what, I learned something about myself that night. Seeing as we’re on the chaise lounges . That's how you pronounce it, by the way, shares something about myself. And that is that I like games that make it that make contention a difficult decision. So now in my mind, this is what I learned. Right? There's two types of contention. There's contention that reduces the options that you've got when you place of work workplace,

Anger, I can see how cross he is already

I put them

But if you knew the game you'd see that happening. I don't think it's a bad game.

No, it’s just not for me. Yeah, I just ended up by the end of that I was getting more and more frustrated to the point where I was actually angry with it. And I was getting angry at the other people. Like not not properly angry, of course, but like, I was like, you know, like,

Frisby across the floor

Yeah, it's but I've never been one despite my reputation. I'm not one for contention in any game. I mean, that genuine like T.I. like you go like bang on about our Well, I do a game that I don't like the invading. I don't like battles. I don't like any of that

Doesn’t make you feel good. nominating a player

If I give him a kicking, knock him out, I feel awful. Or effort. Or if I knocked him down to the point where they definitely couldn't win, I would feel awful. And that's why I don't and I don't like it the other way around, either. So I'm a good turtling defensive player. I like to be able to be the one that you don't beat up on because he's too powerful. Basically,

Spirit animal turtle got Yes, yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, so it's that contention with gotcha moments. Frustrating.

I don't think there's any gotcha moments in Barrage though.

My water source flipping twice when I set up I mean, I'm not saying that I've never played a game ever. But I

But that’s when set up but then that's because probably you don't know the game, though. If you'd be able to see that will say that first game that I played has made me not want to someone could do that. And then you've got to think about those situations happening if you know the game. play it. Yeah.

This is what it's about, though, is this is what it's about, like you have these experiences. And you think it's gonna go well, and it doesn't. And you gonna share that? That didn't kind of work how I wanted it. Yeah. And, and it kind of puts, like, the owners of games in it in a funny situation, sometimes an awkward situation where you've got a game that you

It's almost Do you ever have that thing where you recommend a book or a film to someone you are so in love with the ideas in this book or this film? And you suggest it to someone who you think oh, they're gonna this is amazing. And they come back with Well, what? Not Very good. You almost feel betrayed. I thought I knew you. I thought I knew what you'd like.

Alright, I'm gonna jump on to the chaise lounges. Yeah, I'm gonna pull the game

JPS chaise lounges of tonight. hesitations

There we go. That's what it is. Cloudspire. Is, uh, yeah, expectations exactly. Here we go. Is a game that I just thought would land in this group. I just I don't know. I was so confident. I thought people are gonna love this. This is amazing. This is this is yeah, it's kind of like you know, you got a new minion. Somebody's got your armies and stuff and you're going to like smash into each other and it's quite possibly Chip Theory. Everyone loves Chip Theory, right? Sure. He's just made.

Basically it's like an automated MOBA. But yeah, and you have when you level up, and you get better and better, and the heroes move where you want, but it's another one where you got to watch what your opponent's doing. You got to see what they're levelling up and try and counter what they're levelling up to what you want to level up and put your own minions against them. So

I didn't mind that side of it was the you level up? You send a little guy off and he's now okay, this big old strategy game on like, what is a hex base chessboard almost, and you send out a send them off, and then you just don't get to really control them? And it's like, they just suicide into a, you know, that's it?

Yeah. Because you can control them and what you set them up with and the order you set them on there, and whether you group them or not. Yeah, and depending on what they've set absolutely sets up as well how you manipulate their movement across the maps is actually more controlling it than people give it credit for. But I agree with, if I just wind up the the clockwork toys as it were, and then let them off in a path

And you have to pre programme it and then let it go. And then see if you've done the pre flick, but then you have to kind of like watch it happen. Yeah. Do understand

Kerley is not looking convinced. No, no, no, no,

It’s just a one point I think I had to bang for rights in that game. And I sent off my catapults, all that was left of your army was the towers and all I had to do was take him back. I had range for on these catapults and your towers were very frail. I've won this. And they said, no, no, you've got to move. So I'm gonna move within range of your towers. And definitely die. Because I have to

Because you're going to fight the fortress gate. That is your mark.

That's the way war works, isn't it when?

You're gonna house? Yes, yeah.

Yeah, well, yeah, but that's my problem with it. Yes. I want control over the forces I’ve got. And if I don't, then

You’re you're coming into the game as an RTS brain. And it's not that they're completely realtime strategy.

Like War of the Ring or something like that. I want control over the bits that I decide. Yeah.

No, I get why you don't like it

Yeah, I understand why It, it hurt.

I expect initially Yeah, from this point. If you're expected to get stung.

I'm not gonna lie. That one's stung a little bit, because it was just like, ah, and I've been toying. Shall I keep this, shall I not, and I've still got it. Because I do play a lot of it solo and under key mean is set games up, Davey, we said it every time we should play this. Yeah, we should absolutely play it. And we will do it.

Again, Get Ben involved as well. Again, a three way!

I'm not totally against playing it again. I will say like, games. I play them again. Seriously, being serious. Now. Set up a game. I'll try now. I'll play it again. Because I will always give every game at least two tries. If I didn't look, it might be me done with it. But I'll give it a go. If it's one of your favourites.

It's up there. It's like, you know,

I kind of

It’s not like I haven’t wasted a night playing boardgames Oh, no.

No, but you know, it's one of those. That's one of my shining examples of I had great expectations fell on it’s arse.

I mean, I feel the same. Yeah,

I feel the same. I thought I would love it. And you know, me

I kind of knew I was expecting with Cloudspire there because I've done so much research into I was never going to I was going to buy one point and then I bought this and I was like, yeah,

Save money wasn't a cheap game, there is never. You got anymore Becky

Well, it's one that you don't like Sagrada. Oh, yeah. Okay,

God, they’re all games that I don’t like

I was thinking of games that I wish I got to play more and there's not very many in that category because most of the games that I like a ones that you think that I would like so I give them a try. And then it turns out I really liked them so much Your control No, no, but you're not controlling you. You're you're really good at recommending the ones you think I will like because you know me previously to solve the last couple of months, I've been so

No, I just don't. I'm happy to play them. Especially because I know they're one of your favourites. The only one I'm like, if those are the only one that I've tried so far that I really liked and would play like repeatedly. Barenpark. Yeah. I really enjoyed that. That was really good. And that hit me because I played Sagrada, I’ve played Azul, I play a few others. And I was like, okay, they're all right. But puzzle games aren't my thing. And I expected to not like Barenpark.

What we're talking about. So I'm, I'm in the Sagrada like camp. Personally, I do like to grind and it was one of the games I played early on early early in the hobby. We used to play a light lunchtime at work. Yeah, some guy brought Sagrada and it was the most calming zen like low tower I've ever had. Water and when that was nice. And it's just really weird. Like, I've never had that zen experience playing a game and it's just all just nice the passing the dice, and they're

They’re very beautiful. And it's yeah, I'm sitting in the similar category. I'm gonna lump these together because they're not real enough huge board game. I'm not getting off the chair. Rummikub I love it. I know everyone hates it and games.

I'm gonna quote Kerley from the Christmas Special.

Who's gonna think I like most games.

I'm gonna quote him because I feel exactly the same way as Kerley. Rummikub can go fuck itself is what you said.

You know what? That's exactly what popped into my head.

That's exactly what you said on the Christmas.

We're gonna bleep the bleep with no allow the F’s, it’s just the C’s so I like this game because it's puzzlie Yeah. And the funny thing is, I know that Kerley quite likes Rummy the card game. And I don't care what anyone else says I'm on the couch. I'm saying how I feel about it. It's the same game

It is not the same fucking game

It’s the same game instead of hearts, clubs, diamonds and spades. You've got red, blue, yellow, and black.

What it is is they've taken a really good game and made it shit.

Rummikub but I've always enjoyed it when I played it.

Yeah, it's just it's kind of easy.

It’s one of those family games, Yeah, I wouldn't play like a game and play

I literally got halfway through and was like, nah!

Yeah, that's fine. Because it just it doesn't mean I mean, I used to play on a night shift you can just quickly drop it if you need to run off. So because Kerley doesn't like it I am going to have to try and find other people to play with because I won't be able to play at work anymore.

Well, I will be with Kerley and say no, thank you. Yeah, well, no fun.

But I put that in the same kind of kind of a puzzliey kind of low low effort low kind of payoff. Well, I like it but I

There’s the time and a place for those type of games. For me

it's nice everyone has different thoughts about it so

All the Rummikub fans of the podcast that just that know me

Send me a letter, I will enjoy reading.

But I will play Rummikub with you because I don't get to play with anyone else. So we're good

We're glad you like it right Becky you need to get off the chair, who’s jumping on

We’ll just keep going round.

So what other game don't like

No, I was gonna I was actually gonna go the other way around. It's a positive show. Okay, yeah. So Legendary. It was it let it not Legendary was it

Here, you're looking at me. Legacies, Legacies

So Legacies. So Stuart, a member of the group, but not the podcast, but does listen to the show. Brought Legacies. Yeah, a Kickstarter game. And to be honest, I didn't have didn't have high expectations and have low expectations for this game. As for how it looks right, you know, we'll play it until it goes. And yeah, there's a bit of imbalance in it. But I really enjoyed it. I thought was just a fun game. There was loads of different mechanics in it. That

Yeah, definitely like a film. Is it where you watch a film Have not you don't know anything about this? Film and you're watching go that was brilliant. Yeah because it's zero expectation is not there and it surprises you so yeah,

I just I couldn't really there's obviously some things that were wrong I probably had a really busted combination or you know but I think everyone did enjoy the table

You gave us a shoeing because that wasn't evil combo but yeah it was yeah but I still really enjoyed it I don't I don't need to win

No no that's it There’s a little stock section was quite funny buying

I really enjoyed it out and making them plummet and then obviously buying back in it was yeah pushing other people's stocks down or latching on to someone else's stock they've spent all game rising you just

So your definition of like the board game therapists you jumped on the chair and told us how great your life is now we the the psychiatrist is there's something behind that is it a projection

You want to say something negative you enjoy about the

How was your childhood I like the game, it’s good game

Yeah that was my positive

Your positive release of energy as it were gone and Kerley. Well Well no, you're gonna continue

I’m just going to beg the hell out of it I'm gonna go for a bit of a different one this time I won't say the one that I think we probably agree on. But the community I found doesn't Okay interesting. I mean, which is Dwellings of Eldervale. Yeah, it didn't hit for me i kickstart it had it turn up I was looking at it components look great quality look like a great game visually.

Was like the one where you take out you like get the summon the Elementals. And yeah,

Monsters not going around and you put like, buildings down or you

Put building house on? A weird? Yeah, it was

It was for me a total mess. I really didn't enjoy it. Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. I got to the end and when it was all right, but for the money I paid for it, and how much I've been looking forward to it. Hence the title hexpectations. How much I was expecting it to be amazing. I was like, Well, I think I'll put it on Facebook to sell the next day. Yeah,

I agree. The I thought it was okay. Yeah, at best. Yeah, I didn't think it was crap. I didn't think I'd hated it. I just didn't. I wasn't excited by that. So it's

I enjoyed it. But like,

I wouldn't, I don't go out of my way to buy

No,

I'm considering the cost because any Kickstarter game you really got to kind of like because we've got enough. Yeah, it's like £100 quid really isn't.

Isn't these things? Yeah,

I mean, it's not you can't get smaller games of course. But yeah, but generally speaking the games we like are £100 quid odd.

Yeah. So yeah, there we go. Okay, any reasons why, particularly that you felt that one didn't hit? It plays in more

I think the expectations around the game were totally of a feeling. different. So I didn't think it was gonna be that type of game until Yeah, okay. So in my mind, it wasn't my you know, the bit wave or the hat style and the VP generating kind of thing. That wasn't what I wanted from it. Yeah, so it might have been a little bit to do with my expectations going in which I appreciate it's not a very valid reason

It it was gonna be more like a four times or Yeah, yeah, a little bit more of a 4x

You know, possible raise four times Yeah, well yeah, I guess so. But I guess my overriding feeling was that people kind of got a bit carried away with how good it looked rather than how well it played. But it is a really popular game.

Yeah, and I think me jumping on the chair and I'm going to kill two birds one stone here because Davey’s probably got this on his list as well just Food Chain Magnate for different reasons

So somebody that I didn't get involved in he didn't want to know he didn't want to know but still still yeah there's not one that I hate

You don’t have an opinion on it.

Yeah on the positive corner at the moment Yeah, so

We, we got like me is the the person who bought this game and was quite excited about it had lots of good things thought you know, I'm a heavy gamer like the heavy games, I don’t mind them and played it. I don't know what it was just felt.

What a game,

That that was brilliant top five game and I was like, really?

You sounded so disappointed when you were talking about it, I could hear the disappointment in your text.

Because this game is a highly regarded game. In the boardgame community, lots of people love this game, not thinking I'm gonna love it, surely I'm gonna love it. And it just didn't work for me. It just I don't know what it was in Well, I kind of know what it was, for me it's punishing is how it's so punishing. And I think in order to get good at it, I'd have to play it 15 times to probably be at a level where I would be comfortable and

There’s so many different combinations with your little employees. They will change.

Your brain is like exploding with the exponential variants.

The possibilities, you can get going. Yeah, and then when someone slips up, just dominate them now. Buy. Buy. Buy Buy buy All the stuff that they've

You make a solid game, you make a stumble. You cook. That's it, you're done. You're out. It's given me a headache, just

A little radio thing out which basically put food everywhere. And then I just came in and when staff or staff staff or and then basically took it all

It’s like Pac-Man with hotdogs.

I can see, I can see is probably not a fun game when you're behind. And, yeah, when you have people that have played it loads, they probably kick my ass at it and whether I'd enjoy it in the same capacity, I don't know.

But luckily, I think if I played it more times, and this is your point, I only played it once. And I actually made the decision to not play again. Which is fair, it's a fair criticism of me. So you should have probably given it another guy. But I just didn't want to. And that's my only defence is like my brain was saying I've got to put up another event in the gaming group.

Mechanic just don't catch it.

Like, even worse.

Did you have it in there and just went No

Yeah, it was two weeks ago, and I was like, you know, this

Time is really precious, right? Time is precious. I mean, we're very, very lucky with the amount of games we play on a weekly, weekly basis, daily basis sometimes. So if you're gonna waste your precious time playing a game you're not enjoying when you could be playing something even half decent that you don't, you know, might not be your top 10 games ever. Why would you waste your own time,

But I think that's what it came down to just I had to listen to my brain going. You don't enjoy this mate. What are you doing this?

Yeah, it's like going for a run. You don't enjoy it. And maybe.

But you don't know whether when you got to the table, suddenly you would have clicked maybe enjoy that game. We'll never know.

I'll defend JP at this point. Just remember this the

Yeah, because I've I've got one that I'll bring up where I tried it again and then enjoyed it. So

Okay okay, well, I'll shut up. Because that that's kind of covers me in you a little bit, Davey, but I thought I'd bring it up because it sends me into spasms.

I want to mention Astra. Yeah, I love it. It absolutely hit the nail right on the head for me. Totally loved it. Kerley didn't. He liked it more than I think he thought he was going to, mostly.

Okay, so it's a bit of a weird one with Astra for me. So for me, I liked it the first time I played it loads since then, I still like it. But I see JP’s problem with it. Yeah. So ever since I've played that first time it is getting going. Yeah, it's getting going. Yeah, you've got no engine really I know, as a manager, and you just can't seem to make that

I can totally see that. But I was really because it's Mindclash. I was like JP, he's gonna be all over this like a little right. He is gonna love it. So yeah, I could I could see the kind of disappointment because I could tell that you were really wanting to like it. And I think you know, I do get your point. Kerley I do wonder if maybe the start could be tweaked slightly. So there's a mechanic in it where

Maybe maybe when you draft a card each or something

Or or you get given a telescope, so we would need a telescope for those that haven't that Want played it is really difficult for you to get one action each time until you can manage to get a telescope. And then you've kind of got almost two actions. And that means the whole world opens up to you. Yeah. So I do wonder if maybe it's worth playing the very first round, less Stardust but one telescope. So maybe you need to go around again and last and get more Stardust kind of

If if it's your first game that you're learning, because I currency, no doubt I've made mistakes because I was learning the game. Maybe you get a telescope, not just the player. But maybe that's just what you're doing, just so that it's a bit more forgiving to start off with, but I agree. I do think that could be it'd be really worthwhile. Yeah, maybe my body language and my face was telling. I was disappointed. I didn't like it myself was thinking, why don't I

And I could see that you were really You were trying very hard to want to like it. But there was that little kind of point you go. No, I'm not enjoying this. I'm not enjoying it, which, but I could see why I totally can't. Because it does feel a little bit.

I got halfway through the game. I'll shut down the power cause every time I tried to do something someone like yeah, net snap, or SNAP or take that card. Great. Brilliant. I will get a little bonus fine. And then I think I was about halfway through I actually got a card. Kerley’s got seven by this point. This is I'll flick this and flick this when I see it. And I'm finding when I got go games over

Both of you really wanted to like it. But just because of maybe an unfortunate and it probably the person who started was to your left therefore everyone else had to go before you. It just kind of just

I just couldn’t see where I might make a mistake

That’s the thing you didn't make a mistake and you still didn't get very far

I drove home and went I don't know what I could have done different. Well, that's that's honestly, I don't know what could have been different

Yeah,

How would you how would you progress in this game? How did you better

I can totally see why you felt that way

I probably did some mistakes. No doubt. First game I'm gonna write on I always do even on my 15th game. But yeah, that's just how I felt when

I think like, I will give it a go. Give it another go.

I'm sorry, you didn't like it? Because I really do love it. And I maybe because the hype that I have generated myself before it and vicariously telling everyone else is gonna

I add my own hype for it. Because I’m a Mindclash guy. be amazing Yeah. To be honest. So it was kind of like then maybe I'm

I'm just I'm sad. I'm sad that you didn't like it as much because I thought you would. But like I say, I can totally, totally justify, like, I see why you didn't like it. Yeah, that's all I gotta say about that.

So yeah, I've I've got a couple what I'll start with negatives. I'll be a negative Nora and there's a few chests. Yeah. Okay, fine. So, Anachrony . When I first sat down with that game, I fucking hate it. It's

I though he was gonna punch him.

Hold me back. JP just started down. And it was just it was it was your analogy with Mr. Burns, there was just so much to do. And usually when I first hit, when I first play a board game, I pick it up. And I can, you know, I'm gonna do the best thing, but I'm usually alright at it.

Yeah, your you're learning kind of ramp up is quite steep. Like, you'll get a game, you'll get it quite quick. You'll

Yeah, yeah, I'll see. I'll see a strategy. And I'll usually latch on to latch on to that. But you can't do that on Anachrony , because I was just latched on to this strategy, and I'll run with it. And then I've just like, Oh, you didn't do any of the other bits. That's fine. And then it's just like, yeah, nowhere near lost. The game was just

Four points. Yeah. 10 avenues of scoring. And you've done one of them. Yeah.

Oh, crap. And then we sat down, and I think we played an expansion the next time fractures. Yeah, cool. JP but I loved it. And to be honest, I don't think I'll ever go back to playing the base game. Because for me, it was also too limiting. There was it was too many walls put up and it was just like, yeah, you've got to do all of these avenues. But if the game is so tight, that you have to be so efficient with it. And usually I like that, but yeah, it's just it just wasn't for me.

Shockedthe hell out of me, to be honest. Yeah. We're tussling who's gonna buy it? Yeah, we were originally because I was always thinking about it. And I was thinking about it. So I nearly got to the expo first Expo. Yeah. But I elbowed you in the face and bought it

Did you buy it at Expo? You didn't didn't? Yeah, you did? Yeah. I'll just ask her. I sent me.

I couldn't resist it. Yeah, you mean to be fair, I didn't think I'd like it. So I could just as easily as this one down as the opposite. Well, yeah, because I loved it. As soon as I sat down and started to play, I'll play as it's amazing. Yeah.

It was just it was strange because I looked into loads and I thought was gonna love it and more I first sat down with it. I didn't like it, but I'm gonna play it again. So do you like it gave me a headache the last time you played it? Yeah. And I had a very weird strategy, which I've not done before. And I had so many minus points by the lips and the gate load of them. So I did alright. I came second. And

He, he's very good at the game. Yeah.

I like of all games, I think I’m best at . Just, and that Anchrony and probably Ark Nova.

I don't think I'll ever get to a position on that game. Well even get near to your score. I just can't see it. Like, I don't know.

I mean, I can easily like but yeah, I can easily lose at that game. I will. Like sometimes I feel like as Zen moment, I just go in to just figure it out.

And then I'll quickly just briefly mention one more, which was monumental, because I still really liked that game. But I don't know whether I like it enough. And anyone else likes it enough to keep it. Because the biggest downside of it is AP and the amount of Lent between each group pupils turn. Yeah, because it's a really fun game. And it's really good. So if no one people don't know what it is, it's kind of it's an area

I enjoyed it, again too long between turns for me. But

It's probably better a shorter blackouts or lower blackouts maybe that's probably maybe like a three players or even a two maybe maybe one of those if it's one of them. So you play with four Is it four or five? Yeah,

I want to play a two I think three player game

You want the contention on the board? Yeah. So for me it was all right. But again, as a kickstart this what what couple of 100 At least it was like, is it worth keeping it? It's just

Like yeah, that's it. So that's my other one

I’m gonna pull a Davey on you. And I'm gonna say my biggest surprise lately has been Cerebria Yeah, because I hated it first time I played it that's always rubbish. And considering the fact that it’s a Mindclash game which are naturally think is amazing. Hate it four player played it two players give it another go and one of my favourite games I've played in a

Yeah, we talked about on the Mindclash episode.

We had we had a good team and when we when we played

Yeah, the forces of sync again. Me and Davey were high

I got lumbered with Ian Okay. I'm joking. I love love vibe you. No, no, I am joking. Fourplayer

We know you don't like two v two games in general. That's not your favourite kinds of game. So, boy, I am keen to try it. And I don't know whether you're going to turn off with this with I've already said that I've gone but I'd like to do it with the forces of balance which is a one v one v one. Okay, Team essentially have your your gloom the bad. Yeah, negative spirits. You got your positive spirits and you got one that wants a bit of both has to keep everything

Yeah, totally. Yeah, no, I'd be down for that. Yeah. But yeah, loved it. Loved it. Yeah,

Wehad a good game. Review. You were Last comboing all over the place where it compares to be fair, we only ended up about

It was very close. But I must admit, like considering how 9/10 points.

You're doing lots of little things that will gain you one big bit,

I'm working on the goals, get your thing in the towel and get most of the stuff in the spire but you just edged it, which but it was just a good tussle, isn't it? So we've got that I got another game coming up soon. Yes, we do. And before we wrap up, my guys, we've got some honourable mentions from Adrian, who wanted to chip in on this subject, but unfortunately couldn't make tonight. He wanted to mention The Great Wall, which

Well, now that's all off our shoulders. Fell better for that? Yeah.

Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel a bit lighter. Talking about shit we don't that's why I want to do this episode, because I think we always talk about the games you like playing we always talk about the positives. But sometimes these things can happen in the hobby. And I thought quite nice to just do an

Will you still be my friends even though I don’t like Viticulture?

No

Oh

No wine for you.

Dang you and your wine. So there we go. That's the that's the main event. Let's move on to the question. So It's question time, and we have got a question from Neil Tunnicliffe, who's emailed into the podcast. So again, we'll put all our handles at the end of the show. If you want to get in touch. We love questions. Keep them coming in. Please do. So Neil asks, What size is our board game collections? And is it stable? I'm assuming he means bolted to the wall. Yeah. As in, you know.

Not wobbling

Yes. Not wobbly. Yeah. Is it stable? Does it have a one in one out system? Was it constantly growing out of control? And do we ever have a cold and sell some games? Or are we more of a collector? So here we go. That's the question. All got probably different answers to this.

Well, I'd like to think me and Becky have a similar answer.

You might think you've got different answers. Yeah, probably.

Yeah. To have a one in one out. That would be my aim. But that doesn't seem to

Didn’t you drill in like a little compartment underneath on the floor. Slowly been slipping over

You’re playing a meta-Game with the Kallax. The Kallax is the board. Yeah, and the metagame is area control with Becky's board games versus Kerley‘s board games and seeing which ones are winning for dominate.

I'm going for a strategy of just buying the biggest kickstarters. Becky? Well, it's all the little cheaper. So it's like who's gonna win that little? You know,

I recently put all my games on Board Game Geek on the account. Yeah. And the collection. Yeah. So I mean, I guess this is a little bit bigger than my actual collection, because it's games that I own. And games that Kerley owns, that I will play. So things like Twilight Imperium

So technically they’re part of your collection because are not on my list they're accessible.

Yeah, it was 92. Yeah. Nice.

I think we've worked out we've got about 110 is a stable though.

No. Exponential growth.

We've seen you at convention. I was seeing the bags that you come back with.

I will however, say I buy most of my games secondhand. So my kind of recoup ability. Love that word recoup. I've just invented it in well, maybe a word. My recoup ability for spending is probably the same as I have spent.

Yeah, okay. Minus PnP.

So you can't buy secondhand space those

You‘re attacking in like this like a profit and loss.

Problem is JP if you never sell them, then you can never gain the profit. I'm very much more a collector. We need to actually think about getting rid of some games here is getting out of control. She's gone no

We are actually going to IKEA at the weekend and we will be purchasing another Kallax

Still haven’t seen in the secret compartment

I’ve actually got loads stashed in JP’s shed.

No word of lie a load of my boardgames are around my mates at the moment because they don't fit on my kallax anymore.

So you're hiding them from Gemma.

Clank Darkest Dungeon and Dune all don‘t fit on my kallax so they're all on my mates at the moment because we are playing around they're mostly anyway and I'm just like oh do you mind we'll just leave this here we'll play it Yeah, it's like yeah, or it sounds

We‘ve got your Lost Ruins of Arnak

Your way around it is disseminate to everybody else.

Okay, spread your collections that everyone else is looking after it you don't have to see it. And then how the hell do you remember where anything is?

He hasn't got a collection just got a file with a lending library

I couldn’t sleep if that was my collection it's not too many bones

it's fine because otherwise if I if I have them I'm gonna have to do with them I'll be like where do I put these you know

yeah

so I went back to

No No my mines not stable at all got Frosthaven on the way and another Kickstarter coming up with the award. And but yeah, it's just not it's just not as fast as I didn't want to do that. Yeah.

Is that including expansion. Three on the way

95

You’ve got you got to keep in mind as well Becky basically had like three games about a year ago. Yeah, I mean, she's bought a lot of flipping games in the last year is

I think that's that's called winning, isn't it? Well, winning winning the game collection Yeah,

Fair enough. I wouldn't mind if you actually played them there's there's quite well to be fair, I'm not gonna go down that road because I've got a few on my shelf of shame as well. No doubt No, that's fine you

You carry on my Love

You got rid of this point? Yeah,

I mean, yeah, I don't have a one in one hour but I'm

I was sat next to that last night but again frustrates me edition this about you still in his browser still in the bloody packaging

It’s arrived?

Yeah arrived about a week ago

And Europa Universalis is still in my car.

I'll be opening and looking at it straight away. Have you opened Frosthaven at least?

Not the actual box though but I did take out the brown box so that is the level so for those of you who are desperate for Frosthaven, haha I’ve got it and I didn’t even open it

That's not kind is it? 78 minus expansions? Yeah,

That‘s fair. That's fair. But my collections actually only I'm just looking at it now. I'm finding things on there I don't own. No 73 No So what's his nearly similar than I if I put expansions in nearly 200 course it is

Not surprising but

Expansions and games Yeah, that's

Because I think I could just oh yeah, a lot of them are Marvel champions pack Yeah, a lot. So that probably dominates for the rest of them are probably the expansions and expansions teaser we'll talk about this in another episode. But yeah, 73 and I don't really ever want anyone out like Kerley but I'm more mindful now than ever have been about my collection. I'm more I do curate it a lot more than where I was three years ago. Four years ago. Well just wanted to collect

With with money being how it is, if I bought all my games brand new, I think I'd be a lot more discerning. And I think I'd have to do that weighing up of does this game replace a game? I already have? Yeah. Therefore, I'll sell the other one? Or is this game just another version of what I already had? Therefore? I won't buy it. Yeah, so I think yeah, if I didn't buy my games for a lot less, and they are actually, you know, the RRP on a brand new game. I think I would be more far more discerning.

The value is a massive factor, isn't it? Like you willing to pick some stuff up at secondhand? And why not? This is so much good stuff.

I could sell Takenoko for 15 quid if I decided I didn't like it. So it's kind of like renting it out. Yeah. Is how I just thought. Yes, really great. And it was what I feel like I could definitely get fairly near on 15 quid for if I if I wanted to. So I'm okay buying it for 15 quid.

Yeah. So you go nail that gives you a bit of an insight

Well, we do have, I'm not going to say this. I will say but edit this out. You mean No, no, no. Literally, very quickly. I'm looking forward to Sunday, where we're going to crack out our learning game of Europa universalis. Yeah, so really looking forward to that, but I've just had a new game arrive today, which I think everyone at this table is going to enjoy so I'm gonna put that on my list and that's Orleans. But I speak to about Oh, yes.

I don't know. I'm being facetious. Anyway,

Anyway, doesn’t matter. But yeah, that's got really good reputation really high scores on it a couple of reviews and it looks really right on my street. So maybe in a few weeks time we'll be doing another episode of expectations where I say it was crap. Yeah. But really looking at it looks like it might be you know up everyone else's

I think it fits in that for me that bracket never played

What about Troyes

You mean Troyes No Troyes. Yeah, that kind of thing. About choice. Definitely.

JP table

Looking forwards for that should be good fun shipping. Davey.

Lisboa on Friday looking forward to that and ISS Vanguard really enjoyable

You’re loving this Kerley. He is He comes home every time he's played it full of enthusiasm

Oozing with theme isn't it? Yeah, it's been so thematic. There's been lots of funny stuff happening. Kerley not wanting to sacrifice himself for the greater good was like literally his highlight or half an hour going oh we can't agree

Yeah, but then we'll all be together

Fail the mission. Yeah.

I sacrificed myself extremely reluctantly for the greater good. But yeah,

it's it's it's just they've really fought out the story and everything else and it literally to me it feels like a 90s or early 2000s sci fi so yeah,

Nice one nice one. And Lisboa. Oh my god. I love it. Yeah. But we'll come back. We might be back

We might be back here in the chair, You never know you

It was shit. If you don't like Lisboa,

I'll put a photo up of his chaise lounges

Please do but if you don't like Lisboa I'm going to be crushed me. Honestly, I

No pressure though

For me, yeah, my favourite Lacerda is it Yeah. Okay. Like it just, I adore it

No I’m gonna go really high expectation. Yeah,

Sorry. Yeah it's really bad

Me, let’s have a think, we’ll hoping to try and get Pandemic to the table Yes. Yeah we have

World of Warcraft, the UKGE. Yeah Warcraft

So this is six months sitting in shrink believe it or not, you shrink haters

I believe this

Wrath of the Lich King is that what you're doing it all?

Yeah. So it's a scourge isn't it? Yeah,

So yeah looking forward to hopefully actually playing that in a game that I don't feel like being dictated to what I'm doing so that's gonna be really good hopefully. And I ordered and received Azul glass doors of Sintra Oh yeah. Stained Glass of stained glass essentially how are your views as all Sintra? That one played it second one they released? I don't know. I don't know. Played it at New Year's Eve with some friends really enjoyed it really, really enjoyed it and thought I want

Is it the new one. Yeah. No. Queens pavilion. It's not viewed quite

Got nice little squares that are shiny and clear. It looks like sort of foxes glacier mint cubes

Coloumns of stained glass one. Yeah. Good.

That's my to that. And we haven't got that scheduled in it just arrived. And yeah, I was excited.

Nice. I am actually after the last episode talking about Netrunner. Love it. I'm actually looking forward to the night we've got planned end of the month. So it's a bit of a fairway away. But just, I just want to get back into that game. Like I just want to play more games than everyone out and just explore it again and just lean into the different corporations leading to different runners and just get better at it is probably the main aim.

I've never been interested in that game. But listening to how enthusiastic you three were. It has made me want to play it I have I have to be honest.

Yeah, it's, it's without doing that whole episode. Again, we haven't got time for that. And we don't need to because we've recorded it and it's out. But yeah, looking forward to getting involved playing that. The other thing I'm actually looking forward to is I've got my eyes, you know, Kickstarter crowd fund, antenna goes thing they mean when you start to think, Oh, that looks interesting. So there's a game called Stone saga, which I kind of mentioned on our chat the

So is it single player, no kind of Co Op, Or campaign .

It's a I think it's if you want to call it that is multiple sessions. Yes. And you've got certain goals, you're trying to advance your tribe as it were centrally decoration. And it's, it's got XP it's got Yeah, it's it's really hard to explain. So I won't go too much into it because actually little tease, little tease. We've got an upcoming expansion pack episode with the publisher, the main guy behind in games, which is Brendan McCaskill, and we're gonna have a lot of chat to him

This is not altruistic at all. Want to know about the game?

Yeah, it's like please tell me all your secrets. But no. So if that sounds interesting to the listeners, keep tuned because we'll, we'll be releasing at some point soon, hopefully. So, we've got there. I feel a lot lighter in my mental state. I mean, got all of the the cobwebs drained.

You put all your mental load on me.

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