¶ TURN 1 - Player Count
Hi it's JP from the editing room and just a little small disclaimer on this episode the audio quality isn't up to our usual standard so apologies for that we've tried to clean it up as much as possible but I'm sure you'll still be able to enjoy the conversation and all the talk about board games and the usual chat Thank you and enjoy the Episode
Hello, and welcome to another episode of whose turn is it anyway where you guys get to hear about our board gaming shenanigans. So today I am joined by Davey
Hello,
Tambo
Hello
And Kerley
Hi everyone
Hey guys what's up?
Not too much, watched football. Yeah,
Yeah just watch football
With the magic of podcasting We've just watched England beat Wales three nil, Yeah, bear in mind this wont come out for a for a couple of weeks
Chance of a a spoiler there Yeah,
We might have won the tournament
yeah
Or we might have been crushed out so either way, Kerley, what've you've been up to
Yeah not much mainly been playing actually loads of the old voard games you know, getting a few of the old classic out and watching loads of the World Cup, been working, there's a couple of people I think from my work listen, I've been working really hard really really hard
He's been flat out
Believe that, you'll believe anything!
Tambo, you all good, what've you bee up to?
I've really been working really hard, played a lot of board game still, with the group and yeah, I've just been been chilling really, bit of Xbox
Davey?
It's been pretty much going for a career change at the moment so jobs. Fun and games. But I have been playing a lot of board games as well. Not so much... like Warhammer or any of those hobbies but can't do it all. Just time
Yeah, life gets in the way of
All our board gaming
Yeah well, we need more listeners, so this is what we can do and then just game all the time?
Nobody's paying for this
What're you talking about, quality comments.
Paying for it is another matter. If you do though, happy days.
What about you?
Not a great deal. To be honest. Working play more Xbox. I haven't played any board games in a little while since Gridcon Yeah, I've been a bit busy with family stuff. And obviously the build up to Christmas and everything else. It just gets busier and busier.
Did I notice you playing Terraforming Mars on the group? And did you enjoy it?
I love that Kerley taught me Terraforming Mars and scored the highest points total he's ever got, I still enjoyed it. Your brother on the other hand was fuming
I was teaching you, and also teaching my little brother a little bit of humility.
Because he's played Terraforming Mars loads
To be fair to you though Kerley, you didn't, brag you didn't do anything. The only way to you? Well, the only way I know we had a good score was because Becky leaned over, and she went Wow. He's just said that sat there with the smuggest look on his face. But he didn't say anything. So he did take it he took it like a champ.
For anyone who knows TM, I got to 68 TR in the game, which I've never done before. Yeah, so I did all the Terraforming and I got the terraforming Jovian tag card, and everything. So yeah, it was just one of those games where it's out, but I really enjoyed it. The aim was give me all the good cards
Standing on the shoulders of giants. We won didn't we?
Sythe-gate. I don't think JP has forgiven you.
I don't think you'll ever forgiven me for what I did in Scythe
So we haven't spoken about this before. We spoke about this before. We have probably these give them a little bit of insight.
So we're doing side campaign,
Rise of Fenris I think it's called. Yeah.
And I didn't enjoy it. I didn't enjoy Scythe at all.
It's because the little tractors like, the little tractors. I could've 3d printed you some new tractors, you know that and I even made some.
Honestly, you guys have these amazing like ED 209 from Robocop, a massive gun
And you had a Wurzle special tractor.
I know you, Tambo. I know you took over my faction and you really enjoy it. And they're really powerful. But I'm all about the cool looking robots. For me to be like, like, you know, I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy the game. No, it's not for me. So rather than back out so that nobody could play I kind of played it grudgingly. And he said, can I just come in and take that territory for one round? And I'm like, yeah, come on, let me know. And you went
come on in. But if anybody attacks me, you'll back me up. Right? And so yeah, we'll do this thing together. And you could just see JP slowly losing his shit over the course of three hours.
Everyone else was having alliances. You don't ally with
¶ TURN 2 - Let's Talk About Hex
Kerley, and it's 'why not?' Anyone had an alliance?
I don't think I've ever seen him happier. When I said, mate signs up for me. I'm gonna back out. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah. I'll take the name of it. And it was literally done within five seconds.
¶ Tambo Talisman Batman Super Villains Edition
He scribbled off before I said that Oh, no. No reason. Yeah, so
So yeah, that was Scythegate. So So yeah, Terraforming Mars So let's talk about hex the section where we've been talking about all the wonderful board games we've been playing. I know we've got a plethora in the group but T, I know that you've bought a new one. So what games you've been playing like mate? I like games like that. Wayne plays the bank. Yeah, I'm no
So I treated myself to Talisman Batman supervillain edition as a couple year old game, I think. But um, yeah, it's really good. It's a big board. And it's Arkham Asylum. So everyone's asking for asylum and all the 12 Villains choice or 12 villains. And Batman is on the board and the winner is, is to pick Batman and release all the prisoners from that. You play as the Villain and you've got to defeat Batman good. I like to beat the bad guy every now and then.
I've never played house. No. So it's got the old school move, though. So you roll dice to move. So that's how you always get turns. It's not like we play Hero Quest you roll. You just move three spaces catch up. You roll a dice, you're always doing something. I only put them in episode two players, which isn't enough I think the more contention on board something because once two to six player. So Oh, yeah. Yeah, you've got to make your way up through the
levels. You can get fake cards, which he use to stitch other people up. When you go into space, you can either fight another Villain and do some health, nick their gear, stitch them up, and you're all at one then you move Batman, and then you put Batman to spot someone else and then yeah, loads of different encounter cards. Three levels. So level one encounters your level two cards to get harder and harder. Yeah, and it's really good fun. Yeah, and each villain has different
abilities. Yeah, so it was quite good fun but like I say, I'm gonna put it to the game group for some points. I played as to face nice yeah, my nephew was played as the clay guy who played perfect so yeah, it was good really really good. My nephew won
I do like the normal talisman I know what you mean about the dice movement is like outdated game mechanics, I guess but yeah,
it's fun to change. Yeah, as long as you're doing something what time doesn't really matter?
It's interesting. I think the game... the end of the game. Changing from the original Talisman was quite interesting. Yeah, because anyone who knows Talisman knows the the only problem with the original game was the end game. Oh my god so that the whole of the point was you got to the end which took
forever anyway. And then you just basically spent every turn just rolling a dice and if you've got four plus everyone else to conclude and you've just got a whittle everyone down well they're all trying to heal themselves, and you like roll like six one twos and threes in a row and you're like ready to flip and commit Hara Kiri, because it's like that's all you're doing there's nothing interesting about such a bad so but they did with the expansions add a bunch of new game and
variants which is interesting why which is why the the Batman various
There's a 40k one as well I think and that one you had to get certain amount of gear to get to the middle and then when you got to the middle I think instead of the same thing we get to weed everyone down yeah, maybe learn from instead. I can't remember now but it still took a bit too long. Yeah, that was my only like, we did enjoy playing it but complete about
¶ Kerley - Viticulture
four or five times.For me, that was kind of enough because of that end game mechanic.
I do really like the interesting variants. So just like to bring up Yes.
It's the end game has changed. But
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of if you just got yourself strong enough to defeat Batman at level three in your books you stats get higher if you fight them, on level one is a bit weaker but level threes get strong. You've got to level yourself up to the point again. Stop someone or stop someone getting there. Yeah. Yeah,
Kerley you said you've been playing some oldies
Yeah so I mean, the I've been playing some oldies like we played games day round JP's the other day and that was really cool, I got one new game in, Franchise, was pretty good fun. Not gonna get into too much detail on that one but yeah, basically making a Franchise in America and trying to spread out and add more to it. It was really good fun. Yeah, area control type game. Yeah. So that
was really good fun. But the ones I've been getting to the table I've got Nemesis planned in tomorrow night and I played it the other day as well. Always a good laugh. Yeah, love Nemesis. But the main one I was gonna talk about is Viticulture, because I haven't played that in a while. I really love that game. It's quite basic apparently when you compare it to Vinhos.
Well, yeah,
It's really interesting. But yeah, I mean, I've really enjoyed it. It was over quite quickly that we only played this 3 player. And I was surprised to how quickly it went. Because I don't remember it being an ultra short game. But it was like, hour and a half tops.
We've always played with quite a lot of players. I don't think we've ever played it with anything less than 6
Yeah, five or six. Well, especially with the expansion, but it was really good fun. Really quick. We have time for a game of Anarchrony right afterwards. So that's called a sign of a good night. Yeah, really good. Yeah, really good. For those of you who don't know Viticulture, I mean, I don't know if I made it. So essentially all it is is a it's a it's a work placement game in its essence. But the idea is that you are creating wine.
I think that's when JP said to me do you want to play Viticulture? It's a game about making wine.
But there are a lot og games that are like that. I know I need to broaden this out. I'm not saying you overdid it. But but the the game was ridiculous. But the games are ridiculous. Some of the ideas they come up with. It's like, I'm never gonna like that. What do we do? Yeah, you know, it's one Wingspan. It's like I do I actively went that is not for me. I played it once and said 'this is great'.
Dog Park
Dog Park is a fun game, its a bit basic, but it's fun. So you know, I've kind of turned away from that now as much as I can. But yeah, honestly, I don't know whether you'd like it because you're not a big workplacement. But but you do like more toward deep. And I'm not saying I'm not saying it's anywhere near the same game. It totally isn't. But it's, I think if you like one you are maybe inclined to like, you plant the Someone had the cheese one. grapes and you're getting action
cards. So if you're plant of the grapes, you harvest the grapes, you then make the wine and then you combine the wines into different types to complete
¶ Davey - Teotihuacan
orders similar to The Lords of Waterdeep. And there's a few different ways. But that's the basics of it when it comes down to it though. There you go then. But no, it's a it's a really good game. It's really well balanced. And yeah, JP's called the expansion we played with that expansions, which is interesting. It's good to go back to the basics No, no, we
There's cows in it, meats and cheese as well.
But yeah, it reminded me that I really enjoyed that game. So I might ask JP to stick one in the group.
I'll be well up for that
Davey, what have you been playing?
So games played quite a few and also, and cant even say it the Mexican one Teotihuacan,
The Mayan one you mean
The Mayan one? Yes. Where it's all about kind of its kind of dice, what is worker placement, but your dice, basically, the value matters. And they slowly level up. So either actually roll the dice, when you place a worker and do an action, it will go from a one to two. So that means when you go back to that action, and it's kind of in a in a circle, you move the dice around 123 You can do more things because you work
as a levelling up. Then if you have to, if you get somehow get another dice round they get to when they get better options again, but there's the there's a little no one's no one's work a stop to them and go in there what it doesn't make them more expensive to go into that space and basically you have to pay cocoa for everything. That's what they commonly traded in. That's all you have to end up
spending. And then there's a thing called Eclipse where if your work against the six, it goes back to one track moves around and so the time it gets a little bit quicker, so the game shorter, and you get a certain amount of benefits. You could pick one or 2. And it's a real kind of tight game. There's like these little temples you can worship and you go up and you get benefits as well. It's just
a really fun kind of puzzle. The two big thinking game without it also been too complex about a lot of different ways to win because I didn't do anything with the colour the Day of the Dead which has to do with like Ascension. That was Tambo was ascending left right and centre, his dice kept getting a 6 and he was getting those benefits from it. Whereas I was just kind of worshipping the whole time and putting my temple up. So there's lots of different strategies.
And it's just really it's a really fun game
To be honest. I really liked the box.
Yeah, that was that looks good.
No idea what it is. Looks good, I'd quite like to try it. Yeah,
It's really good fun is really good fun and like putting the dice around and like trying to get your management and your
¶ Rob - Villainous
co pays. Pay everyone at the end as well. It's just it's just good fun. Because as
Nice and quick between turns as well and it's really quick.
Do not sit around
Just because I don't like being wrong. I've just double checked and as well apparently was the Mayans and the Aztecs, it is disputed who created it. So yeah, neither of us were wrong, which is great.
I thought it was the Predators. The only game I've managed to get to the table my daughter begged me to play Villainous. Oh yeah, I really wasn't in the mood for a boardgame. I just know let's do this. Whupped her ass and really enjoyed it. Honestly, she couldn't do anything she she we've got the one of the expansions with Scar, Ratigan from Basil the Great Mouse Detective. And Yzma from the
Emperor's New Groove. So she was playing Yzma and I always love Basil the Great Mouse Detective growing up I had a video VHS you know, things you actually put in the VHS player. Remember when we did that stuff?
Basil the Great Mouse Detective?
I'm thinking of the mouse in the Adventurers
No, no.
Who was that? He's like Sherlock Holmes
Yeah. He used to have a little cat like Sherlock,
That's Disney is it?.
You've never seen Basil the Great Mouse Detective?
To be fair, a lot of people haven't seen The Emperor's New Groove as well. I do love them.
So yeah, and she had to find a character in her pile and kind of did the wind condition for her was a little bit complex. Whereas mine was just sort of take over London, which was great.
So Basil, Great Mouse Detective had an easy win condition. It sounds like a shit Detective.
No, you play as the villain. Ratigan
Sorry.
If you don't know guys, watch the movie. To be fair, though, if she even had two more turns she probably would've won Yeah, but I've had it prepped for ages. And it was just brutal
I like how merciless you are.
It was very good, we really enjoyed it. And to be honest, just nice spending time we're not glued in front of the telly. Yeah. So you know, we're making our way through Stranger Things. It was nice to actually,
Shes watching Stranger Things?
She is, yeah. I've seen them but she's going through
¶ TURN 3 - Just hit the east side of the LCG...
them so on right about the end of season four
Is that your eldest or youngest?
Eldest
I was gonna say
Wasn't gonna show my eight year old. But it was nice to like to see her face because you fake the other player. So you stitch the other player up. And to see her face knowing that she was going to try and stitch me up, she was so proud of herself. It was really sweet to see. Which is cool. So yeah, that's
¶ Arkham Horror LCG
the only game I've managed to get to the table. So when we move on to the main event, which this week, we will be talking about living card games. So we left them out of the Fantasy Flight episode for a reason, because we're going to go a little bit more in depth with them. So here we're going to talk about living card games. My first main purchase of a board game was a living card
game Arkham Horror. So we're just going to kind of talk about the games that are out there and what they are and kind of how they differ from from sort of regular boardgames
And how they differ between each other as well. Yeah, it's quite interesting.
The vast other collectible card game. Well, yeah, it's more accessible on that.
Yeah. I mean, the thing that I loved, especially about Arkham Horror, was the story advancement. Like you know, I'd never played a board game that was like an RPG before. Like, you know, I'd always pay for games where they were one and done. So I've never played a campaign of the board game and the storytelling in it. Admittedly, it's not a book but it drives it very well. It fits the theme very well. So if anybody doesn't know Arkham Horror is set in, like a Lovecraftian. Universe set in
40s 50s. Yeah, maybe a little bit earlier. Yeah. And where supernatural events happen and you play you control one character that's got a set deck of cards that at the beginning especially, and you've got a support game where you have to achieve a common goal and obviously it's story driven narrative.
This is from every single scenario and to do your planning on how you did
We did everything from investigative haunted house that turned out to be one hell of a theme to an event where the train cars were coming off the back similar to the Mansions of Madness campaign that you guys did not long Yeah. And there was standalone episodes where potentially you could be turned into a werewolf that then continued in the main story that had ramifications on the story, which again, changed the narrative. I like story driven games I like I like knowing what
I have to achieve. And the game is getting from A to B. I think that's why I struggle with single player games more when I'm left to my own devices, I just kind of go random.
Sandbox is not made for Rob. Looking at flowers around the world.
I get distracted very easily whereas a co op game especially story Co Op games I like
You can get you can get into character in some sense. Not maybe LARPing sense but you can get it'd be like okay, what would my character do or what would be fun and stuff like that? So yeah, to understand that.
So um, so yeah, that was that was Arkham Horror for me that was my first encounter in LCG's Obviously, as the collection grows, you can change your character depth
You can change that completely
New character Yeah. So I think as I've been
Throw the dog under the bus. What, Theres a dog card, and you can use it to like reduce threat and stuff. But yeah, I love your sacrifice
But you can sacrifice teammates. So we did a scenario where all four of us were on a boat going away and we had to lighten the load. And JP and Alex are on quite low health so I mean Chris kicked them out the boat so we'd win the objective. Harsh but fair. But no, that was fun
Transformers mode survival of the fittest
But that was my first kind of foray into board gaming and the the you know, the blister packs that you get I think now they've released like an all in one box where you can get it all in you know, obviously all in one box where you don't have to buy the blister packs of expansion chapters and things like that. So for me, but I can say that I think that's what got me hooked into into board gaming and then kind of met you guys and and kind of expanded that so
¶ What is an LCG?
Compaired to Mansons, so there's a very similar theme to Mansions of Madness. I'm sure we've spoken about Mansions of
The Elder Scrolls as well. Not Elder Scrolls Madness
Mansions of Madness was a lot easier to get to the table, mansions there was, obviously before the app now so much easier anyway, but it was a lot harder to set up. Whereas Arkham you can just buy... that is my deck.
Here's the chapter. Yeah, these are the places that matter. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, the the term LCG is Living card game. It's kind of coined by Fantasy Flight.
It was it was Yeah, Coined by Fantasy Flight and it's just well, the name kind of gives it away really doesn't it where it's just basically where a game starts off from this base and it's constantly growing. Evolving, basically it's a nice way of them saying they're going to sell you more expansion packs.
Yeah, and we will happily snuffle them up
But it's the way it differs to a collectible card game is the fact that it's not Yeah, they don't have any like booster booster packs where it's random cards and you always know what cards you're getting out of the expansion. Yeah, there's
¶ Marvel Champions LCG
always a set goal and a lot of... it's not PvP player versus player by a longshot sport, Co Op base and story driven as well.
I mean, I will I will say don't forget I know we're not going to talk about it much but don't forget Netrunner. I mean, there are living games that are more PvP based so is it although you're absolutely right the vast majority but there are exceptions.
There's a reason we're not talking about Netrunner so you'll see on future episodes
Yeah, there's that we've been briefly mentioned it now and again, but not to go into detail.
So another game, a living card game that we've been playing an awful lot in the group were quite a few of us have got quite extensively deep down the rabbit hole deeply. Some more than others would be Marvel Champions which is possibly the latest living card game
I woun't say tate, but it's one of the later ones.
Yeah, yeah, it's the one the you know, the latest one that I've experienced
And they've revamped a couple and like been pushing out. Arkham Horror, Lord of the Rings out as well. Oh, yeah. I think the newest i the sense of IP. Probably.
So, Tambo, you've gone, well you're neck deep in this.
Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just so much with it, isn't it? I mean, there's so many heroes. There's so many villains now. Yeah, I mean,3 big boxes. I've got one now for just the aspects. Yeah. So there are four different aspects, which is leadership, aggression, justice, and protection. So I've got one box for that. But one box just for the heroes. And I got a little bookshelves for the villains and all the campaign
for them. Yeah. Andthat's getting full now, So it's just, ya know, it's this ridiculous thing
Thing is you've got 60 years of comic characters to Quite a lot, I playa lot solo and the campaigns are great. I draw on. You know, it's kind of perfect for that scenario. Yeah, the thing I like about it is obviously you can play a character as aggression, where you're going in and taken out. And then if you check by changing the aspect of that character, it completely changes
the way you play. So the replayability that I mean, how many games have Marvel champions do you think have a lot of people who right now still but all the Villains that yeah, notice the most because they've recently released that plan for now, so that's
You've got the X-Men as well?
Yeah. Got Cyclops we've got the Phoenix I played Oh, she wasn't that good
Powerful characters. Yeah,
I think I need to change her aspect. She comes with Justice aspect. But that's the great thing about Champions, you play the basic how always play that basically, they're built with, but then you can just change it completely. Yeah. And I speak about decks off the website, or do you can do to build a website. And one be put your own decks on other people's build decks? And yes, really, really
Point out that I just nearly said Phoenix considering how powerful she is in real life. How deep we've gotten
Ya know, so Cyclops, Phoenix, he got Shadowcat, and Colossus. Most exciting thing, but I'm looking forward to I'll put that on that part. Yeah, yeah. They're the campaigns. And that is that's five campaigns now I think
And it's only getting bigger. That's the scary thing.
I've only played it again, like once or twice, literally. But I've really liked how you slowly build up over time. So he's probably my character played very differently, I think the most I played Iron Man and the first one that I played. And it was quite interesting to me how you, you're always doing this juggling act of trying to build yourself up, but also trying to fight them off at the same time.
So you live right, I'll play that one, because that's gonna make me more powerful in general, but I need to play this one in order to make sure I keep a lid on both the threat and the people attacking you as well. And it's just a really interesting thing, like the great thing about Iron Man
It's like, you'd be an Iron Man. He's there he's building his suit. So you have such a slow start because you're building your money to build the suit. And once you build it, you kick ass, it's so powerful. Absolutely.
I think they've nailed the thematics of the character characters and there are a lot of them
A lot of them they have, yeah
Thee are a couple that have missed the mark massivley.
Really?
Yeah, Thor's not right
He was the biggest disappointment. I think
I heard there were a couple that were a little bit overpowered. I think that's the only complaint I've heard about Marvel Champions
It's scenario based though, I mean
Apparently a lot of people have said Dr. Strange so pretty much doesn't matter what you do with him, you can pretty much just like whup everyone.
You say that but it's also ow youplay Dr. Strange. Yeah, I mean he is really OP, he is, but it's depends how you play him. So if you're an experienced player yeah, you will start when you start but you got to play him right?
Then because it's Co Op is not as.... it's fun to
Kick living crap out of every enemy field. It's good fun, like Hulk, when you play as Hulk you know, the stars kind of need to align tdo the massive damage, but he is capable of it by you know, but he's also capable of hurting everybody around again is quite, you know, true to sort of comics and movies. So, for me, I think they've done a wonderful job with that game even though it's cost me an absolute fortune.
Yeah. You know, you're there as well. So yeah,
I'm waist deep. T's neck deep.
Oh absolutely I'm so deep I'm just gonna stay in and go
Well thats the point, you've got too far at the start
Waist deep, neck deep, the JP's balls deep
Thing is he stopped, so you're not far wrong to be fair he's got a few more packs than
me. But, but no it's a wonderful game like we played it on holiday my daughter played it our favourite character Scarlet Witch as soon as she realised she could play as the Scarlet Witch she was in she had a great time doing it like it's not complexity isn't the game the complexity comes from how you build your deck which that website you know for a moron like me that that website is fantastic so I can just go this is what 1000 People have used probably pretty good yeah like
you know so because left to my own devices to figure all out you know to figure all that stuff out I'd be that people want to then they can as well and that's what people have been doing that you know they're messing around with these decks and messing around with these characters seeing what works what doesn't work
I guess difficulty is also in the villain that you pick to play again. Exactly. Exactly.
So the villains are well but then as well they will hold on to your drones and your they played against the tank and that was brilliant. You get your own time versus your own player mats, because times different times yeah. Yeah, no, this is such a good living legend.
It's good fun game as well. We played in lockdown, didn't we? With a camera over the top of JP's table because you only need your own deck. So like if somebody, as long as one person's got the campaign with the villains, you know you only literally need so if you think well, I quite like Dr. Strange, you know 12 quid the maximum, probably pretty cheap now I suppose. Yeah, you probably pick
it up for like Tenner. If you want to just kind of dip your toes in before you jump in and have your own hero's and do it that way. I think Chrissy P joins the rabbit hole, the rabbit hole I think he's deeper than me. I think he's like nipple deep where he's kind of got into it now as well. And again, you can start off as small as you want. You don't have to go all in. But you know, it's a gradual thing. And for me, every time we play, it's good experience. Good. Unless you're playing Ronan.
Honestly, I think Dr. Strange cant even beat Ronan
We tried twice, and we all freaking stand alone. I
I mean, campaign they can get harder at the end. Because the way the campaign works, then it can get harder. And Ronan does, but even as a standalone villain, you play him
He worked on 3 of us twice in an hour, we were like nope, never doing that again. So I think they've changed the kind of setup of the campaigns now because of it. But for me, like I say, the living card games, some of my funnest experiences around the table, partly because they are not the majority. But partly because the stories and the characters and everything else. I'm all about that.
Because the campaigns are a little comics, basically four or five pages give read and read the comic and that's how the
¶ Lord of the Rings LCG
story goes. But yeah,
I think that that's potentially where they could go. Whereas, you know, if you had to defend the town or, or defend something a bit like Arkham Horror, where there are places to go that do specific things. I think potentially that would be quite good, or quite a different way to do it. So for me if they think that way, I'm drowning. It's bad enough, but I've I you know, I'm in it for the long
haul. So again, the living card game that we've played, that you kind of went all in all out immediately.
Yeah, Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings. Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, we haven't played it that much. But it's one thing we're kind of working on at the minute. It's been a bit quiet lately, because we've both been busy. But one thing would definitely look into continue. But this is where I'm a little bit different. A lot of the fun for me is fiddling around with the decks. So I have had a look at the deck lining up. Now I want to do this
instead there. So I've been and the thing is, what's interesting about that game, Lord of the Rings compared to Marvel Champions is you get three heroes per deck. So the cards you can use depends on the colour of hero or the type of leader you're using. So I think that you're just a resource and
they generate resources. So you've got a balance number of cards versus how much they cost of each of different colour types, versus how much you're going to generate because they generically generate one each but then you can get other things and it's just such a nice little puzzle to play around with.
I made quite a nice green blue deck which is all about drawing cards but discarding them as well. Yeah, then you get to play with your discards.
Gandalfs the best for that, he always slips in there. Ultra powerful but he dies after one battle, but really good once you get into it like...
It's important like nice deck combinations and putting... mix the heroes up.
Yeah so I've got, I've made us a few different decks Yeah.
This is why I love playing with you because I've turned up and he's gone. Bang, there's your deck. Awesome. I endorse this message right?
I'm not gonna lie to you. I spent hours playing with his deck. I had to look up online how to do best. But no, it was you want to take complimentary decks. So the fact that we were playing together was like playing I think you wanted blue green, which is basically healing card draw that kind of stuff. Defence. Yeah. And I went red purple, because you do want to mix so reds more attacking resource generation purple is kind of resource generation but they've also got
good buffs. Yeah. And they synergize with each other a little bit, but some of the other ones. And reds just pure damage. I didn't, I didn't go pure damage with it. I did like a ranged kind of thing. So yeah, more versatile, so
You can help out my weak ass.
And that's that's kind of the idea.
You also need something to do with threats, the threat gets outof control there, you can't deal with anything.
That's what Rob does. And so he was healer, tank and threat dealer, and I was kind of just trying to mop everyone else. But they worked quite well together.
For me. This is where Lord of the Rings sits in that really sweet spot between the really heavy story driven narrative of Arkham horror. Yeah. And the pickup and playability of Marvel Champions. Yeah, I agree. It's right in the middle of the two and obviously Lord of the Rings. I mean, let's be honest, all massive games. I love Lord of the Rings, and I love the world.
So to kind of experience different story set in that universe because of what they three chapters, the first one we did, the first story came to about three, three chapters,
The base game, there's like three of three chapters, I think, but it's nice because like they do like different scenarios. And it just gets you a bit more involved. I think the base one is where you start in a forest and spiders. It's more more like a tutorial thing. But then the next one, you go down the the Anduin. So you're on a river, and you're like fighting off the Orcs and you know, things are changing and you're on the raft
And other range things disappear. You're going down
And then the last one we did was you're in a prison. You're trying to break out one of your people. So you lose one character. Yeah. And then I think we tried to do it twice because the first one we lost was the one that I've built in the decks and it was one that was just key it was like the worst character that you could lose we did a decent... We really just fell over the last hurdle. The worst case scenario and then yeah, the second time around, we did it no problem at
all. We just kicked ass, but it wasn't the same character that we'd lost. So yeah, it was really interesting. Just like not, I won't say too heavy narrative. But this area scenarios are enough different. Yeah, it was Yeah, sure
Enough to keep it, to kind of understand where it's going.
The one where it's a pirate boats as well. Oh, yeah, no, you get a ship. And the ship has like a little navigation thing as well as to where it's good wherever or bad weather and depending on it's good weather or bad weather, it depends on kind of what happens to the ship. And then what cards are flipped as well. So adds like another little interesting little mechanic, and then the pipe and then your aim was to stop in the village burning to these little event cards that
were permanently there. And when the pirates came out, if they stay there too long, you'd start having fire counters that would start spreading even more. They had to like keep on top of the pirates coming out. So
The scenarios are so vastly different with not a lot of extra equipment. Now they they're tokens in parks, if you haven't got a lot of space to play, like
Perfect literally Yes. Couple of boxes and that's probably good. For a 40 hours worth game.
We played one game of Lord of the Rings the card game. And Kerley had the base set. I come back for Chapter Two...
I accidentally found eBay, I'd never seen it before.
And this box that I could sit in was was at your door that basically had everything in it.
And depressingly, it wasn't even everything, but it was a fairly significant amount.
Yeah. So yeah, when we come back and we started messing around with, well, I say we, you were messing around with the decks and he's, I think really liked this one I was like, Cool. Well I turned up, I played, we packed up and that was it like so for me it was great.
The only thing and it is kind of my fault to be honest like with it, is the fact that because I bought so much in one go, it took a lot to organise, which is fine. Becky helped me out with that one, so shout out to Becky
She was so happy. You should see her little face, she was so happy.
But on top of that, you've got so many cards that are used for like, this one's so this one's This one's because I didn't buy them one at a time. It's all a bit much. Like there's so many cards. I don't know where to start. And that's the thing like, but we'll get to it. I'll make the effort when when when we when we plan on this game. But it's just the idea of it now is a little bit daunting to try and organise it.
I mean, worst case scenario, it's me and you, if we cock it up, I still have a good time. I've killed some Orcs. Yeah, I'm generally quite happy
We tried to get our scenario set up. But I looked at it and I thought I want to play this now can't remember, just couldn't remember the rules enough for me to set it up properly. And I thought I will put this away. We'll come back to it. But I didn't want to play it again. I really enjoyed it. It was just I think it needs to be prepared. And I think an organiser for my game is like probably essential.
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, we've got an organiser and stuff came with it. So they it was quite good. It was just a matter of Yeah, like you said being a little bit daunting, I guess.
Quite looking forward to playing it again
Is it only 2 player?,
No it's up to four. You're welcome any day.
I've played it once.
Yeah, more than up for it. The only thing I would say is just flipping help. Yeah, no, I'm fine. No, like I've got enough decks and like I don't know the game well enough. So like, we'd have to have a chat like sorts of decks and stuff. I've made like three decks or four decks or something. So
One of them wasn't as good as the other.
Exactly. So it's a matter of you know, you let me know what kind of deck Do you want?
Is there anything online like champions?
Oh, yeah. 100% Yeah, so same it's got the same resources mate, so I think it's I've got I've got it on my phone actually. But I think it's like, RingsDB or something similar? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and you just input what what expansions you've got and it takes you make the main deck. So
Thanks to those websites, because yeah, again, trying to figure it all out is
When we were kids man, that was like half the fun. Right Well, what've I got here.
Playing the game wrong for ages until the Internet came
We did the same thing as kids with Space Hulk, we fought out and being like Big Drednought. Shoulda seen our face when we went Wait, he's on our side. There's big robot is on our side. kick some ass. But yeah, so I mean, I I don't mind playing a game wrong, if you learn from it. Like if you understand that it's not going to be perfect. Going in. Like don't get me wrong if you play in a seven hour game of Twilight Imperium to realise you mess you
messed up in an hour. Yeah, I can understand why that would be
¶ The comparison to TCG's
disappointed. That's yeah.
It's one of my favourite moments in the game was like cockup. Everyone's a Cylon
He literally said that on the last episode, I'm never gonna... I did it once. He's done it twice
I think we should mention it every episode. Yeah.
He doesn't deserve that.
Fair enough. Yeah. One of the biggest factors, I guess, with lcgs is the fact that it's more isolated than TCGs TCGs probably end up being more money. Yeah,
I mean, there's an argument on both sides. I mean, I don't know what you'd say after considering how much just dropped on Lord of the Rings and how much can those things go on? Literally, yeah, honestly. Yeah. 350 Yeah,
So Magic The Gathering? I've probably spent about two grand or like
How many years is that? Is that?
Oh, that's a that's been for like, since... I did stop playing? No, but when I was about 14, I started playing Magic.
Also, What's a TCG
Trading Card Game There we go. Magic the gathering , Digimon, Pokemon, I mean there's there's like there's so many.
But they're typically PvP games right?
Some of them do have a mode where they do you can do like PvE content with it. But obviously the other references towards biggest differences of why you can LCG over a TCG
I mean this Okay, so with a Trading card game, just give you a little bit of context as to what the main differences are. Davey's already talked about it. But essentially what it is, is, although there's a certain number of cards in any given expansion for a TCG, you're never guaranteed which cards you're going to get outside of the set packs that they occasionally do. And you get your big money cards. And the whole idea is that you're trading with other people for the cards that you want this
way. And it's most innocent. That is what it's designed to do. The reality is we spend the whole time on eBay.
When Ian sold a Keyforge pack for like, 250 quid ?
It's a good question. Actually. I wonder we could probably look this up actually, where Keyforge fits into it.
It kind of sits between doesn't it? It's not a trading card game. But it's not a living card game either
It's a bit of a weird one probably, I would say is probably closest to a trading card game. But yes, at the end of the day, is we can talk about it in a minute, I guess. But the trading card game mechanic is Yeah, essentially, you get random cards of varying quality. In a booster pack where you pay generally... I think when I was a kid, it was £2.
£5 now
You're kidding me?. So that was what it was when I was growing up with Magic and stuff like that. And that's, you know, Pokemon magic out about I guess, similar time. So I guess Magic was first. Right.
Magic was the magic was one of the very first Yeah,
I gotta be honest, I do prefer the living card game. Because you know where you are. There's no, like, you know the price point. You know, that's the big plus, for me. It's like with T, with the best will in the world. You know, I know you spent a lot on it. But you knew that going into it. Whereas with a trading card game, you don't know how much you're gonna have to spend to get what you want
It's gambling to a degree.
I mean, it is fee for packs. That's really it
There's like the £200 card. Yeah.
And I'm not knocking anyone, I've done it. I've done it for years, you know, and there is a massive upside to it. But I think as I've got older, I've kind of wanted to go The biggest problem I found is so I used to play a lot of Commander with magic. And that is a multiplayer game where everyone brings their own deck, you pull out the deck and one card, which
That's a set deck, though, right? That's not a you know,
No, it's one you made yourself, okay? You have as you it's have 100 cards, but one's your commander, you then dictate what colours you have to have in the deck, and what your decks going to be about. And you can keep bringing them out because more and more manna, but you can have someone sitting there whos got a £200 deck, you can have someone sitting there who's got a £1000
deck. And even as there was discussion beforehand, what's the power level of all my power levels about the four out of 10? Oh, my power level is only a six out and you think, Okay, this won't be too bad. You sit down someone's like, rather than like, what they call CDA, which is competitive , which is just another name for commander and then sort of winds do down do you think? Yeah, your deck wasn't a power six deck that's like a power nine deck. And that's not fun for me to play.
That was a nice living card game. You know, everyone's kind of on a similar
But yeah, it does feel like that. More of an even playing field.
That's I think what Keyforge was about and I really enjoyed Keyforge. It was massive for us for about a year, but it's only because of that they had licencing issues and other issues. It's going to have a resurgence
I heard they're redoing it
Did they do a Kickstarter or a Gamefound on it?
I wasn't sure I know it's been taken over. And the there's been a post where they're gonna put a lot more effort into it's the same people that took over Xwing, as well, I think the same company for both licencing for it, and they're gonna have a bit of resurgence
I really like some of the mechanics. So yeah, the idea is, where it differs, if people don't know where Keyforge differs is the fact that you buy a deck that you don't know what you're gonna get in the deck, it's randomly generated.
The deck also is not interchangeable with other cards as you buy it. You have to play that particular deck
What I would say is you do get the, where I don't see where it falls, is the fact that with a TCG is down to just pure luck. Like I've had decks that I don't know how I would lose with you know, I mean, they're just so powerful. I think there was a ... the first season was like the Four Horsemen was there if you had a three or four of those ones in the cards. Yeah, it was like, Yeah, I mean, that's the one that even sold for hundreds
of pounds. Yeah, hundreds of pounds on eBay just just because of the two had it didn't even matter what the other cards were because he had three of this particular event it was worth hundreds. Yeah. So you do still get that element which
I quite like the way they did it. One format. Yeah, well, they gave you like, two or three decks, they gave you the type and then pick one and play with it. Yeah. And then you can have one change where you could change to the other deck. And that was just good fun
It doesn't really matter how well you know the game. Yeah. It's not great to just Yeah,
But then you just you kind of ever do similar playing field, which is was nice. And okay, there might have been some of those lucky that I was a really good deck, but that person then could also be a bad player. And so it kind of it felt a bit of a gamble. Yeah, it was quite fun. It was really fun. That one,
I guess to the magics defence, I mean, I've been to tournaments before, and I'm not all a player, by the way. But I've been to tournaments where they just, you know, you get a starting deck, and then you get to use 12 boosters. Yeah. And then you just made the best deck you can on those 12 boosters. I thought I think that's quite interesting.
Crossing the magic and draughting events now and again by I've kind of given up the playing. But drafting is always good fun I find. Basically you start with a certain amount, you open your pack, you pick one card, pass the cards over, they save you then you make a deck of cards. And this ends up with some quite interesting combinations and some weird decks, which normally wouldn't be played.
Yeah. So anyway, back to what we were talking about.
I guess i feel like trading card games are kind of what led to the living card games .
It makes sense. For me living card games, though the fact that you haven't got hundreds of miniatures. I love playing with miniatures
You're used it it aren't you?
Sad but true.I love the big board games like descent, like you know, Star Wars Imperial assault, like the figures sometimes make the game Gloomhaven like the figures in
¶ TURN 4 - Question Time: What Fantasy Flight Game should I own?
Gloomhaven. But I also quite like the fact that sometimes the play liveing card games, there isn't a lot of this setup involved.
Yeah but the set-up before the start times. And it's ot alot of table space. But yeah, you can play in a lot smaller space and you can play along.
I think it's especially easy setup wise, if you just turn up at your mates house and get him to do...
He's been sat there for four hours trying to figure out what I should play. I just turned up oh, let's do this. So it's time from the questions from you lovely lot. And also another question from Boardgamejimmy, and it's quite poignant. But judging from the last podcast so, He says, so I have a fairly large game Collection, 150 Plus, but after listening to your latest episode, the FFG one, I realised that don't own any Fantasy Flight Games. So my question is, what Fantasy Flight Games do I
need to get and why? And again from boardgamejimmy on Instagram. Thank you very much for getting in contact we greatly appreciate it. I'm gonna go with Kerley
Okay, well, it depends what kind of games you're into would be my biggest question with that one because they cover such a wide variety of different games. But, you know, lcgs is is one that the Fantasy Flight is very famous for. But I would say if you're talking about a large gaming group, Twilight Imperium is always fantastic. But otherwise, my personal favourite, my personal favourite of the bunch of the moment would
probably be Unfathomable. Great, if you're looking for a relatively easy entrance game, and one there's a bit more interactive. So if you've got a more casual end of the gaming groups, then I would say that's a lot more accessible than Twilight Imperium. So yeah, like it was Unfathomable, which if you haven't heard of it is the one that we've talked about before but it's a reskin of the Battlestar Galactica games and it's good you call it a social deduction game yeah, yeah, yeah.
Social deduction game you're trying to work out who who the cultists are on the ship and they're all trying to kill you off but kill you off in a way that doesn't give themselves away so I've always liked that
Just play with people you can fight with and get on afterwards. Yeah, accusations are thrown around left right and centre which is the which makes the game, to be honest.
So yeah, that would be the one that immediately leaves to mind as one to give a try to anyone who's not played FFG before.
Tambo what would your recommendation be because you've got a couple we've got quite a few fans.
Yeah, no, I think my favourite of all of them. I got to be the one I played the most of the Mansions of Madness second edition. I think that's my all time favourite. You obviously got to be like the app driven games.
But you can play that two player, you can play it four player long, but you can play it on your own. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just the diversity of it. You can take different kind of investigation scenarios. They're all good. It's like live it's story driven in these scenarios and yeah, it depends. And the difference you can play once now and play it again. It'll be the kind of same scenario but there'll be different on the board and the board will change that with different times in
Have people made them on-line and their own ones now?
I don't know that one, but maybe. Maybe they have tried to do it I don't know if they have but it's like you kind of go into one. It's just all about investigations asking questions and being like a detectives. And then other ones are all about you find cultists and beat them up and
I haven't played in ages
I've gotta put one up in January do quite happy play that
I'd happinly play that game any day of the week. game.
Exactly. That's my favourite. It's my first big game I bought when I joined the game group, was Mansions. Got me into the actual gaming thing
Davey, your recommendation.
Probably Descent. First Edition.
First Edition, oh behave
I quite liked the retro vibe from it. And I quite like doing the little combos and it taught me a better weapons.
Bare in mind this is a question from somebody who has no Fantasy Flight Games. Yeah. Currently on the 2.5 edition. How the hell is he gonna get his hands on the first edition? Where would you even get that from, eBay?
It'd be so nice. So I don't know. I've just I've been hankering to play the first edition again to see whether it is nostalgia. But that's the one that kind of jumps out. Yeah, jumps out at me is Descent First Edition, just maybe because it's the one I've played the most as well. Cos I've played that more than I've played any, any others. So, yeah,
If you can get your hands on early Descent First edition. If you can't, get the new one. It's bloody brilliant
I'm not saying it's bad. Just I think the first edition just has a bit more. It's just a more retro. And sometimes it's not a bad thing.
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I know that the new Descent isn't for everyone. I knew I really enjoy it. Seen guys online say that it's not as you know, it's not the first one. It's not, the second one is drastically different.
I see it a different game. Yeah, absolutely. I dont see it as the same game at all.
For me though, it would be what your kind of interests are. So if if you're a Star Wars fan, for me, Outer Rim is probably my favourite game I've played this year. I absolutely love that. There's good fun with the expansion. It's such a good game. You can play it on your own, you can play two player, you can play however many you want. If you are a fantasy sort of genre fan, Descent the new one, just purely because it's easier to get hold of.
Especially if you're a co op gamer, as opposed to a, you know, sort of an individual then
¶ TURN 5 - The Penultimate Turn: What's Coming Up?
Unfathomable, you kind of take care of yourself in conjunction with everybody else. So So for me, those two would be my recommendation. Just because they're the two that again, I've played the most.
There you go, nice varied response.
And very apt with the LCG and Fantasy Flight. Thank you very much for the question. Keep your questions coming in. I will go through how to contact us at the end of the podcast. We are
¶ Kerley - Heroes of Might & Magic III & Mosaic
open to answering questions and getting involved. So thank you. And now it's time for our penultimate term where we look forward to what's coming ahead. Doesn't have to be gaming related. Obviously, it will, maybe. So yeah, it's where we look forward to the things we've got coming up. The things we're excited about. So Kerley, what've you got coming up, what're you excited about.
Oh, lots more board games this week. That's no news. Is it? But I've got Yeah, Nemesis tomorrow. TM on Thursday. Day off on Friday,
Just to have a rest from all the board games you're
Yeah, Too Many Bones on Saturday, and then Vanguard on playing I know you've been really looking forward to that. Sunday and football straight after so, it's gonna be a great week. But yeah, so if we take board games aside for a minute, let's talk about board games in the future instead. Heroes of Might and Magic just funded. Yeah, I've just seen the money fly out of my account about an hour ago. Finally, I've never been dragged
I've never been dragged to a table by anyone so forcably. So we were at the Games Expo and and you saw that...
Bit of argy-bargy was there?
I don't know how, but you managed to pick up three people and sit them down. I've never seen anything like it before in my life. It was fun. I'd happily play that game again. Yeah, I'd have no idea what I was doing. But I had a great time doing it.
Yeah, that's it
Yeah, well I mean I like the computer game, so...
Yeah, it's very reminiscent to be honest, same. Yeah, that's just fun. It's I'm looking forward to that. But I've also got another Kickstarter arriving very soon, which is Mosaic, which I'm really looking forward to. So a civilization builder. Looks really interesting is been rated highly so far and reviewed well. So looking forward to getting that to the table, but I've probably got enough civ builders, but you know, never mind. Yeah, that's it. We do
enjoy it. So yeah. Got New Dawn to get to the table, I bought
¶ Davey - Viva Lacerda
the expansion as well. So looking forward to that, apparently is a lot better with the expansion.
What a good way to sell you an expansion is to tell you it makes the game that you've already bought so much better. Yeah, we are suckered aren't we. But we enjoy it.
We'll be doing an episode on it shortly.
So we can't be talking about expansions without the Master
Fair enough, just because he has them all. Davey, what have you got coming up, man.
So I've got a lot of Vital Lacerda games coming up. So I'm looking forward to Vital Lacerda.
I was going to say Viva!
Viva Lacerda, no Vital Lacerda
Gone all Ricky on us
On Mars, Weather Machine think that's it, but Adrian probably will get The Gallerist at some point. Maybe for Christmas. Who knows? But
Maybe with a gentle bit of persuasion he'll get it
I don't think he needs any
He's getting it.
I was like, Oh, I was looking at it. And he was like 'Don't buy my game!'
So yeah, he's already got it then
yeah, so that'd be another one. So I'm looking forward to getting those at the table, I really enjoyed On Mars. Yeah, and there are others ISS Vanguard, which is a nice Awaken Realms game
I really want to play that game.
It's really good really good. Really good
Very thematic, more computer game esque. So yeah, hopefully won't have to leave you behind the game now
Mate, don't go into it. I could have risked it? I could have risked it all I thought.
¶ Tambo - ISS Vanguard & Wolverine Deck
He wasn't happy about
Well who wants to be the first to die?
We got slapped by that planet. Jesus Christ, trial by fire.
Yeah. I think they're like, you're gonna die. Yes. I feel like I've actually done better out of that death. They've replaced the character straightaway and I think I've got better character for so yeah, no, it was fun. It was fun. It was good fun love love the game looking forward to Sunday. Yeah, good
T. What've you got coming up man, what are you excited about
Was gonna say the same thing Vanguard on Sunday, really enjoy that as well. Another thing to look forward to which I've got on the way is Marvel champions, the Wolverines on its way. Back in so yeah, never use it once. I'm really looking. Yeah, somehow raging out. sniffing out Yeah. Yeah, hopefully. So yeah. So yeah, so that's what I'm looking forward to.
But I know you only have to mention Marvel Champions and
¶ Rob - Journeys of Middle Earth
Chris is like 'Can we play?' can we play so so mate you have to set that up dude
But it's pre ordered already, got a Gambit as well. So he's on his way and on the way but he's pre ordered now
Which is quite ironic because he throws cars, as long as you don't set fire to crds in my own house, if I'm at yours T.... Awesome. I haven't got any board gaming events coming up. Obviously, we're very busy at
the minute. So looking forward to getting back in and playing games like the games that I like, I you know, the games I love playing I've really missed playing, but also missed being around the table cos for me is, you know, there's a reason why I really enjoy these games is because despite what you might think of actually quite like you all. Regardless of what names I call you around the table, we're actually playing games. So for me, I've just really missed that
interaction, to be honest. So I'd like to play a game where I want to get enough of us around the table to have a good evening.
The one were you were shouting at me, wasn't Werewolf was it?
We were husband and wife in that
I can't believe you could accuse anyone of shouting at you in a social deduction game. HE'S A WEREWOLF, IT'S HIM! Now with Christmas coming up. There's gonna be lots of games
Thing is, we were the werewolves. But he was so goddamn good. I believe we were I knew we were but he was so good. I was like, oh, so that was a fun day. I thought that was a fun hobby. I've missed that. So looking forward to get more involved with the games that are coming up and in Yeah, so but that's that's kind of it really just kind of carrying on a minute and is what it to be played. Absolutely. I've actually asked for another Fantasy Flight game for Christmas. Journeys in Middle Earth
Oh, okay. Yeah,
I know, I know you weren't a particular fan
No,
There was expansions for that and everything.
Apparently, they've changed the app a little bit from the original. So it's a little bit more interactive.
I'm not going too much down that road. I think we did a scenario where was in the pub, and you just, you just spoke to everyone. And it didn't really give you a clue as to who it was who was evil. Like, because you had to try and deduce it wasn't it was just one of them was lying. And then you found out they were lying at the end. So you just spoke to everyone and then you ran out of time. And it was like, Oh, it was that guy?
I think that's what they've changed. I think so. But Chris Okay. was Chris really wanted to play it, and Millie loves Lord of the Rings now. So she wants to play as well. So
You should have told me at the time man
Yeah, but you know, is what it is. But yeah, give that go. So looking forward to doing that. And I've started building
¶ TURN 6 - The Final Turn
the Lego Ecto one. Nice. It comes with a Haynes manual.
What is an Ecto One?
The Ghostbusters car.
Oh really? Oh nice
Well, honestly, it comes with a Haynes manual, where it's something like three and a half 1000 pieces. And honestly, this this information, the guide on how to build is an inch thick. Really, it's crazy
I've some of those ones, they are cool
Yeah, carry on building that and keep my head down and, and stay out of the way. And now it's time for our final turn where we tally up victory points. And we will see that Kerley's won, so there was no point in spending the last three hours doing this. Davey will argue that he was cheated of of some game mechanics, he should have won. Me and Tambo will just be happy for the experience. So thank you very much for joining us. Joining me guys. Greatly
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