Episode 1: If you build it, they will come

JP  0:26  
Welcome to "Whose Turn Is It Anyway?", a podcast all about our gaming group and of course, board games. I'm JP, your current first player. And in this episode, I'm joined by our other players Ian a new player Kris, and we're going to talk about hints and tips in setting up your own gaming group, how's  everyone doing today. Yeah, and all

Ian  0:42  
No bad not bad.   

Kris  0:43  
Good. 

Ian  0:44  
Welcome Chris. 

Kris  0:45  
Little bit nervous.

JP  0:46  
Yeah, first time podcasting 

Kris  0:47  
First time podcasting

JP  0:48  
It's all good. 

Kris  0:51  
Be gentle.

Ian  0:53  
He's a podcast virgin people.

JP  0:55  
And we're breaking him in gently but no welcome, Kris, to the show. And what we're going to do is ask you questions, just so that you can introduce yourself properly.

Ian  1:07  
When should I start shining the bright light in his eyes

JP  1:09  
right about now? So the first thing, Chris, what we ask is, How did you get into the hobby? And what kind of gamer are your player are you

Kris  1:20  
having listened to the first episode when you introduce yourselves? There were some common themes that I noticed, in that I played Monopoly when I was little. Yeah. And it was a family thing. It was a great experience, then, and obviously now we've moved on from that. I just I'm really just really competitive person, whatever I do. So I just love games, i'm shit at them. So yeah, getting into it. Again. There was another theme, I noticed that everyone mentioned the JP got them into the gaming group into the game. Yeah. It feels like we're in a bit of a cult here. 

JP  1:58  
I did own up to it though

Ian  1:59  
It came up last episode as well, this is this is a cult we're all accepting. We're just gonna lean into it. Accept it, embrace no other way.

JP  2:08  
Yeah, this is the way

Ian  2:11  
and you keep saying that you keep telling us that your way is the only way and you know as much as we try and argue against it. You just you're very forceful. 

JP  2:19  
I will set up games and you will turn up 

Kris  2:21  
Yeah, I will put in my first Star Wars reference and just say this is the way

yeah, level things sci-fi And JP introduced me to which came at the Star Wars Rebellion, rebellion. We played that and I loved it. And then the rest is history

JP  2:41  
The rest is this history and you are pretty much even before the gaming group was set up. mean you were kind of dabbling on the fringes right before that. The birth of the idea because we were playing Star Wars Rebellion and numerous times and you're kind of my gateway into the honest Kris as I've got this great Star Wars getting through.  Who do I know, 

Kris  3:03  
don't blame me.

Ian  3:05  
Hang on a minute. So Chris is saying this is JP's fault, JP's saying it's Kris' fault

JP  3:09  
is completely my fault. But 

Ian  3:12  
he enabled you 

JP  3:13  
exactly it was at a time where I started to get back into the hobby. And I was trying to finding these games as I mentioned on the first episode from Fantasy Flight seemed to be buying all the Fantasy Flights back catalogue from 2017 or 2016. And an assault Star Wars Rebellion, a thought I know who will like this

Kris  3:32  
That is, I think you actually specifically targeted me 

JP  3:35  
absolutely. 

Kris  3:36  
I couldn't say no to this Star Wars game. Yeah,

Ian  3:39  
it's like Christian people getting not really Star Wars themed. Oh, right.

Kris  3:43  
It's definitely targeted 

JP  3:46  
cool so what's your favourite kind of game or games ever. And what have you been enjoying? Kind of recently?

Kris  3:53  
The Rebellion has a soft spot. The game we're going to probably reference occasionally is Battlestar Galactica, because that's the first game I bought.

JP  4:02  
Sorry we're laughing because for those who have listened to our intro episode we highlighted that. We can't really talk about Battlestar Galactica and you without you being there. But whether we get into it today is a different matter this

Kris  4:16  
It's a long story, but if I really loved the dynamics of that game,

Ian  4:22  
would you say there's anything that can kind of ruin those?

Kris  4:27  
Pretty much you could do anything. It's carte blanche. Almost add to the game by just just tweaking the rules. And in few cards you can never have to many cylons. I beg to differ. And I did look at my game pile. In this in mind and most of my games are our movie references and movie tie ins

JP  4:59  
IP's space yeah

Ian  5:00  
You love a franchise?

Kris  5:02  
I'm a sucker for that.

Ian  5:04  
I also like that you store your games in a pile that's quite unique. Like most of these guys are like big into Kallax organisation. You just got to play all that's, you

Kris  5:13  
I've got a Kallax and then I put the pile next to the candidates, right? And it mainly just to an JP

Ian  5:20  
everyday sends you a photo of an empty Kallax with a pile of games next to it

Kris  5:25  
with different size games on top of other just yeah, don't organise them in alphabetical order.

Ian  5:32  
JP's just got a big big vein popping out of his head at the moment, during all of this and

Kris  5:37  
I don't even bother popping the cardboard

JP  5:39  
don't don't stop it. I can't listen to the this anymore

Kris  5:46  
Recently, we've been playing the the Nemesis really like that. But that has throwbacks to Battlestar Galactica too. So I think it is just the dynamic of the game

JP  5:56  
is the whole semi co-op element, isn't it? So I will Battlestar Galactica, for those that don't know about the game, which some people might not have heard of it. And it's been recently re skinned, as Unfathomable by Fantasy Flight is essentially, it's one of those games where you will play a part of the crew. And some of you may or may not be Cylon these kind of artificial like robotic kind of people. Yeah, we'll see the show this sort of like clones, but yeah, sort of robots as well. Absolutely. Yeah. It's, I don't know there are massive BSG lore fan

Ian  6:29  
I don't know the show but the crux of it is, is that Cylons don't necessarily know that they're a Cylon? Right? Yes. It's like they think that they're humans.

Kris  6:38  
Yeah, they've been enjoying Nemesis. Yeah, that's me. Okay.

JP  6:44  
Cool. Well, that's great to have you here. Like I say, we said this on the intro episode. So we were probably going to go the kind of members on the group, kind of jumping in on the different episodes, different shows, talk about different things. So just really good to kind of mix it up a bit right, apart from you Ian because you were here last time. 

Ian  7:01  
I know. It's like, I feel like I'm a staple now. But I think I'm not in the next two episodes. So people don't have to worry, they're not going to get sick. I mean, they're already sick. But, you know, we'll we'll get you back, Kris, for a Battlestar episode. Real detail about Battlestar Galactica and the rules, the set-up rules. I just I like the concept that we just never going to actually explain this Battlestar anecdote. We'll just kind of keep alluding to it without ever really explaining what Chris did. Because he knows what he did

JP  7:35  
bit like the Gavin and Stacey fishing trip.

Ian  7:41  
Battlestar Galactica is your fishing trip.

JP  7:43  
What happened on that fishing trip no one knows, no ones ever going to know

Kris  7:47  
A special corner of shame out there somewhere for me

JP  7:58  
so "Let's Talk About Hex" which is all about games we've got to the table recently or semi recently because it's a obviously new new into the the podcast and episodes, we might be able to extend a bit further back. If we need to,

Ian  8:12  
say looking at the notes you've kindly prepared for us we might have to because none of the events that you've listed I actually made it so I'm going to have very little input on all of this

JP  8:24  
Yeah, it's all good. So yeah, looking looking back at our event list and what's been going on in the group the first one that I was there was Too Many Bones unsurprisingly, of course,

Ian  8:36  
I mean, you've got to justify the spend. 

JP  8:37  
I did say I have to keep those play counts high,

Kris  8:37  
I have to say from listening to the first podcast I want the play Too Many Bones now because just because of the way you guys talked about it in the light not just not 

JP  8:50  
in the bath 

Kris  8:51  
not in the bath maybe in the hot tub 

JP  8:56  
It could easily 

Ian  8:57  
How's your hot tub working out enjoying it 

Kris  9:00  
yeah yeah this is a family show

JP  9:09  
so yeah, go back to Too Many Bones Oh yeah, that's it we got a game of was actually the Undertow expansion with Adrian and Davey. We had a quick a quick it's never quick

Ian  9:23  
When is the last time you had a quick gaming session 

JP  9:26  
well, Too Many Bones there isn't such a thing

Ian  9:29  
Let's have a quick game of Twilight Imperium while we're waiting for dinner to be ready

JP  9:32  
knock out a six hour game it'd be fine 

Kris  9:34  
How long does Too Many Bones go on for then

JP  9:36  
it depends because it depends on what tyrant and you pick which is like the boss and and that dictate kind of how long was depends on the player count. So with with a 3 player, it's kind of in the middle of the road, but I did pick Barnacle which is a shorter tyrant and I won't go too much into Too Many Bones. That's going to be on a future episode. Little tease little tease. But yeah, we played as three The gearlocs which are the characters we had Stanza, Duster and Dart and you have really good fun good for an Adrian's not played before. So it was this first experience into it.   I think he enjoyed it I'm sure he did if not he will contradict me on the future and he's played many times Davey loves the characters that in his words because give me the like the most complex and janky character and I are trying to figure them out he loves a lot and a few of them

Ian  10:24  
so yeah, I mean when they be does his first episode and gets introduced we'll we'll learn very quickly about him that complexity is his friend he loves it. He absolutely loves a little engine build doesn't he. Yeah, so you know, I want to give Too Many Bones ago as well. Yeah, next time there's an event up I'm definitely gonna get registered for that. Because if nothing else, like just the components look really nice and tactile. I don't care about the game. It's just if the piece

JP  10:49  
The games awful ha ha, but it looks amazing. Without so we got that on the table, which is always a joy and War of the Ring, war of the ring was great to see actually being kind of put up on on the event I know it's a 2 player game, Lord of the Rings. You know, the free people versus the shits.

Ian  11:06  
is very, very well reviewed, isn't it? It's a brilliant, pretty highly acclaimed No, this is Kerley who bought it wasn't. I know that as soon as he saw the reviews, he was like, I have to have this

JP  11:18  
it's a thematic as hell. Because you are playing obviously the good side where the fellowship and you're trying to get Frodo through Mordor to Mt Doom and doing all his usual shenanigans. And then obviously you've got Sauron and on the other side is trying to stop him and and it's just the way it works together. Lots of battles, lots of armies clashing and different things. And yeah, it's it's fantastically deep. And I played it about two or three times. And again, I think Adrian's got one of those scratch. Top 50 games. It's

Ian  11:51  
kind of like, not like having candy. But yeah, like a war chart. Yeah, take them off.

JP  11:56  
And I think some of these, like, Great Western trails on there. Or the rim was on that. So yeah, they're the reasons why they've kind of hit like,

Ian  12:03  
it's a little bit asymmetric as well, right? Yes, it plays differently if you're the fellowship versus the bad guys learn asymmetric, different

JP  12:10  
different win conditions, you know, you're trying to corrupt Frodo. And obviously, the fellowship can win by destroying the ring. Andother ways are just dominating the whole kind of middle-earth map and yeah, it's just it's a beautiful game. Yeah, it

does sound good afternoon. I'll have to give it go sometime

Just don't set it up.

Ian  12:28  
Is that the key. The key is I'll say, I'll be there two hours. Have it ready to go? Absolutely. Because I see when I saw the show up and sit down video about it. It looked Yeah. involved. Yeah, lots of pieces. Lots of things to put in places 

JP  12:44  
it warrants a lot of plays, it warrants. Yeah, a few goes because even law of nine scratched the surface with my three plays of it and how to probably argue that Bobby Curley hasn't. But we're not going into the table and it's why it's really good to see it hit the table because it's been so long

Ian  13:00  
is a tricky one to get to the table that you say because it's two player like it's always a bit. Like we tend to organise a lot of games that are four or five or even six more players, because it just suits a group. But yeah, I also love the one v one game

JP  13:15  
as we know, Netrunner, Crokinole

Ian  13:18  
Well this is it? I was gonna say like there's there's a lot of similarities there like narrowness, asymmetric and one v one same as War of the Ring. So yeah, after some time, the setup and everyone knows a lot faster. Well, it depends on how long you're gonna spend building your deck. You know,

JP  13:33  
you do that for me. 

Ian  13:33  
Yeah, I know. Right? I just bring along 3 or 4 decks 

JP  13:37  
but yeah, the last game I've got on my list is Mansions of Madness which was round Tambo's house. So me Becky and Tambo and a 3 player of mansions 

Ian  13:47  
Tambo loves a bit of mansions doesn't he

JP  13:50  
again if you guys have played I haven't

Ian  13:53  
it's FFG right so yes, there's there's some similarities with Arkham really

JP  13:58  
is part of the Arkham Files universe okay so thematically linked Yeah, but mechanic mechanically slightly different so it's probably got most in common with the the card game although Mansions of Madness came first and then you've obviously got Arkham Horror the board game and but mansions is very much kind of focused on as it buys namesake other mansion or a setting specifically that you have to go and explore, right? Similarly, you're going to go insane. You're going to have horror inflicted upon you. You're going to get damaged,

Ian  14:31  
all that stuff. Like saying you're going to have horror inflicted upon you. It's going to be a great time for everyone. 

Kris  14:38  
Sounds like a normal gaming night.

Ian  14:40  
It's the same as if we play Captain Sona. You're going to say every horror inflicted upon you. I feel like at some point we should like live stream a captain sonar game and force Rob. To play the engineer.

JP  14:56  
I'd love that thing.

Ian  14:58  
Not the engineer. I keep getting it wrong way. little radio operator Yes. And then just play wrong to so we lose. Oh, and I'll be the captain on the other side going north, we're going off. Is it north? Right or just north? Yeah, love it,

JP  15:11  
we'll do that. But mansions was good. We played the scenario where you're on a train. And people, you kind of interact with different people. And for those again, I don't know, Mansions of Madness Second edition comes with an app, an app kind of controls the mythos the bad stuff that's happening and controls all the enemies that are kind of coming onto the board and things like that, which is different to first edition, which used to have a player that has to do all of that, almost like a dungeon master kind of role. So it kind of takes that away and makes it for kind of a full Co-op game. So yeah, so we played that. 

Ian  15:46  
Was this the scenario you were talking about? Where it was like train carriages? Were getting like sucked into us? Right? All and stuff? Yeah quite cool.

JP  15:53  
Yeah. So we, you know, like the cause of kind of getting sucked away into the ball, you have to kind of hop off into platforms. And it's kind of so mechanically, the way the boards shifting around, it all makes sense. You're on a train. And you're trying to investigate what's going on. And it was just really good fun to play and not played it for years. That's kind of on my list. What about you guys?

Ian  16:14  
Yeah, well, we were trying to think weren't we Kris what was what was the last gaming event we actually got to, I'm sure I played something around here not too long ago. But I'm scratching my news, 

JP  16:23  
We played Dune Imperium

Ian  16:23  
Dune Imperium. That was really good. I like that a lot  Actually. You've got another night coming up soon, which I couldn't make. But I'll definitely make the next one. Yeah, Dune Imperium really good. I think that combination of worker placement and deckbuilder just it worked really nicely. And it didn't feel too overwhelming. Like a lot of games. I remember even like the first time I played by Lords of Waterdeep. Even that, if you've never played that kind of worker placement game, or if you've not played games similar to it, then your first few plays is kind of like yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. There's kind of like hoping for things to work out with doing Imperium. It felt like everything sort of came together quite quickly. We played what three games that night. And it was good, because yeah, that first game still had an element of that, because we're all still learning. Well, what kind of cards are there? What are the different spaces? Do

JP  17:13  
I buy every card in the shop?

Ian  17:15  
Yeah, what resources do I actually need? Should I save up and try and get something big, all that kind of normal stuff that by the second or third games, we like we all had our own playstyles we were like, right, I know what I'm gonna do. And yeah, you kind of get screwed over as you go through because that's just the nature of it. So you get the normal frustration and, and horrors inflicted upon you and you go mad, but it was really fun. Like, even by second or third play, which for me is great. Because I said last episode, I learning games is like my least favourite thing. Know what I need to do? I need to be clear on what am I trying to do so that I know that I've done it badly. Yeah, I can't think well, you've been you've been really busy recently, to be fair, which is why it's not a good time for me to be on the podcast, probably. Here we go i'm here now

This is the content you got to live with. 

JP  18:05  
He was the only one available.

Ian  18:07  
No one else wanted to come and sit in JP's shed.

Kris  18:12  
You had a choice? 

Ian  18:14  
He paid me mate paid me 

JP  18:15  
Nobody has a choice, what about you Kris.

Kris  18:18  
Like we were talking about before the I think it was travelling games movie. Saboteur, What was the other game? card based

Ian  18:29  
You went on a snowboarding trip? And games

JP  18:32  
with everyone? Yeah, a couple of months ago was France

Kris  18:36  
That could be like in the special edition travelling game you do? 

JP  18:39  
Absolutely. Yeah.

Ian  18:40  
That'd be good episode. 

Kris  18:41  
Hearts wasn't it?

JP  18:42  
Love Letter

Ian  18:44  
Oh Love Letters. Great.

Kris  18:45  
Yes

Ian  18:46  
that's brilliant pub game. Yeah. Love Letter at the pub. That and skulls skulls as skulls. Fantastic. Basically,

JP  18:53  
or you need some beer mats.

Ian  18:54  
Yeah. Don't even need to buy the game. You can just play with them with Beer mats is brilliant.

JP  18:59  
Yes, the saboteur, just again, for people that may not have heard that one. Because to be fair, it caught me by surprise, and I never really heard of it before. It's quite an old game. It's essentially it's got that hidden role element in there. Okay. And you are dwarves kind of mining through tunnels trying to get to the gold because you're greedy little dwarves. You want the gold for yourself. And if you're the first to get the gold you get first dibs. All right, trying to pick out the obviously the most gold possibly get these cards. But one of you may or may not be the saboteur, and they get their gold from sabotaging everyone else's plans. So you kind of want to work with people so far. And then you want to kind of destroy their tunnels and cause havoc and presumably without them cottoned on to the fact that you are completely rude because they'll just break your tools. He can't do anything and it's like, but he plays lightning fast. So you're playing rounds, but 5-10 minutes long max right? And so even if you don't know what you're doing by 10 minutes, you Yeah, to hit me straight into the next round.

Kris  20:02  
We just went with two newbies in Yeah, they're being quite ruthless come the end

JP  20:07  
complete non gamers who were realising actually, yeah, I'm going to kind of, you know, navigate near the gold and and then just let other people do the work and then snaffle because you can see how many turns you would take to get to it and you know all the different layouts or the cards or different tunnels with different shapes on there, some are cross sections, some are left bends, right bends arrive, and you only get so many in your hand that you're trying to work through to becomes quite puzzly. But yes, fantastic. logain costs about what 12 quid, yeah, and probably worth worth it to have in anyone's collection. And it's perfect travel game.

Ian  20:44  
Yeah, I think it's probably a lot of like hidden role games that work the same sort of way that a really good light is party games, it's travel games, or just like games that anyone can get involved in thinking of things like Avalon and all of the many derivatives of Avalon, because it'll like talk for hours about Avalon. Again, when we get Davey on, we can talk about Avalon

JP  21:06  
brilliant. There we go. That's pretty much what's happened over the last three months.

Ian  21:13  
We had enough to talk about this point, despite not being there at the events

JP  21:19  
It's all good. It's all good.

Right, so let's talk about the main topic then sort of about gaming groups and setting gaming groups up. And how you kind of go about doing that. So

Ian  21:36  
So me and Kris are going to make a cuppa, you've got this one covered

JP  21:40  
I'll just waffle on for about ten minutes? No, no, I think it's important, actually, you two are here because you were pretty much the couple of early members are going to join in in the gaming group. And actually, as I said at the start of the episode, Kris was kind of in the game group before it was the official gaming group

Ian  21:57  
I mean, Chris must be apart from you. The first member technically is like, yeah, YouTube gaming was the chrysalis from which

Krisysalis? Oh, yeah, I didn't even realise I've done that

Kris  22:09  
With a K, is it wrong, but I feel dirty now that

Ian  22:15  
you have to share some of the blame, you might not been the instigator, but again, you were the enabler.

Kris  22:19  
I have this doll but I can show you where you touched me

JP  22:26  
Okay, great thanks for that. But now, I think let's talk about kind of why I set it up maybe. And then 

Ian  22:34  
to lure in followers? Absolutely course, to grow your cult

Kris  22:39  
Have we got a box of tissues.

JP  22:40  
Yeah, it's got to get deep isn't that seriousness that I I, I didn't even know this hobby existed in the extent that it did. At the time even more six years ago, I've heard of board games and more play than usual tropes of, you know, Monopoly, Cluedo and all the other fantastic, amazing games that are out there. But it was a it wasn't until kind of we moved down away from kind of my hometown. And then I realised I had this massive void in my life of "friendship". And, and then trrying to fill that void. And you know, living somewhere completely No, not really knowing many people, and not really having any hobbies I would say to kind of, yeah, it's kind of filled that like out the small bar. Yeah, yeah,

you're editing this, you can put some like sad background music. I'd reached a low point in my life

But it's just one of the things that we used up friends that come down, visit on weekends, and when they come down, we were just used to do the usual things, watch a film and no one talks for two hours. And then they'll go home and you think, Well all we've done is kind of seen them. We do stuff in the day. And then we just don't talk.

Ian  23:51  
sat in the same room. Yeah. Which I mean, Let's not lie. Sometimes when we board game, it's a bit like that.

JP  23:59  
It;s completely locked in online prison of what the hell am I doing? But

Kris  24:03  
yeah, it was not exactly conducive to good relationships, some of the games they destroy relationships. Some of the games we play

JP  24:10  
I ended up thinking now the next time these these guys come down, I'm going to buy a board game and we're just gonna find it. And then I found XCOM, which is the worst possible board game, like a gateway game.  I would not XCOM the board game as a gateway game to inflict on non gamers ever, because it's just i mean you've played it, I know you have it.

Ian  24:32  
I don't think I've ever actually played it, one with the app though, right? Well, yeah, aliens are like,

JP  24:37  
yeah, so it's actually like the video game. You control this organisation that's defending the globe from alien invasion. And you've all got different roles to play. Yeah, it's one of the earlier ones that probably did seem to have played it is probably a long time ago. I did. Yeah. So once the commandos got control of all the budget and finances

Kris  24:59  
Got to work together

JP  25:00  
Yes, once the squad leader I still organise all the troops to fight off the aliens ones, the communications specialists that no one wants to be because it's the worst, which controls the app and does all the satellites firing off the the UFOs in space,

Ian  25:16  
so the radio operator in Captain Sonar

JP  25:18  
And then the scientist is you're the one who's doing all the research tech and making everyone basically better. And you're working together and it's real time. So you've got this clock that's kind of ticking down. It's like right, scientists research two right commander deploy your interceptors, right? So and so do this. How much money you've gotten his chaos, right? Because you've got four seconds. 

Ian  25:40  
Real time like Captain Sonar, I'm starting to connect, obviously.

JP  25:44  
But it just causes stress. Oh, my God. Crisis pick one I don't know what the game is, help. Oh, yeah. So bless our bless our friends who are inflicted on this, but that they actually enjoyed it.

Ian  25:56  
But this is what I love. Like the beauty of this is that, like you were saying, Chris, like, whether it's a co op game, or a competitive game, it's still going to lead to frayed tempers and the destruction of relationships, or building bonds, it doesn't matter whether you're playing against each other or with each other, the outcome is the same. It's like, I don't want to see you for at least a few weeks now.

JP  26:20  
And it's just one of those things. And I think that that for me was the catalyst. As I mentioned, on the last episode, it was the game that got me into more games as the game that introduced the dreaded product catalogue. And then to the look all the other games you could buy. And then I did a board Game of Thrones, then I've bought Mansions & Madness, and I bought Star Wars Rebellion. And then obviously, I've known Kris for for ages now. And I thought there's a game you'd like so I started to buy games that I think the people I know would enjoy and pull them into this void, I mean, to my web, and it just got to a point where we were playing kind of games irregularly. And every now and then and you know, probably like once every three months kind of thing, which just seems mad now to think that oh my god,

Ian  27:03  
just imagine you just they're just sweating. This is not enough. We're not playing enough games. 

JP  27:08  
I generally like the feeling of getting, like games to the table and experience in that was just amazing. I think Oh, my god did not know this sort of stuff existed. And I just wanted to share with everybody right everyone you need to get involved with it. It's so

Ian  27:25  
classic, though, isn't it? Like any time you like discover a new hobby or a new interest? Like you're really enthusiastic about it and you want to tell all your friends and your family, everyone you know, regardless? Yeah, this thing is, I think it's brilliant. And they're thinking, okay, just just like, calm it down a little bit.

Kris  27:42  
Not sure if it was like a male thing. We do sort of just focus on that and get obsessed and collect. Going back to that sticker albums

Ian  27:52  
I mean, I think fundamentally, we're probably just more like children, aren't we just like we're never going to actually be proper adults still going to want to play with that toys. It's just now your toys are 600 quids worth of Too Many Bones, 

JP  28:07  
neoprene and poker chips. Rather than Lego. 

Ian  28:10  
Exactly. You'd have to wait for your birthday or Christmas to get a new game. You just order up those Kickstarters day after day after day.

JP  28:17  
I'm loving life, it's all good. But now I think kind of going back to that is just those those initial games of like say we used to play Rebellion. And I just felt like you know what would be really good is if we add some structure to this, you know,

Ian  28:36  
Here we go JP the project manager

Kris  28:39  
having the insight into that I was indoctrinated into that

Ian  28:45  
it's a good word, good word

JP  28:47  
Or invited

Ian  28:48  
No indoctrinated

Kris  28:52  
I really enjoyed it. It was such an experience. And it made me want to do it more is why I went and started looking at other games and stuff and there's no point gain Star Wars The Jaypee had it before I'd get went down and got Battlestar office. I think JP got to the point where he decided he wanted to have someone else that he could beat because he kept losing at Rebellion

JP  29:12  
that's true. This this is a common theme of anything. I think same thing happened with Squash.

Ian  29:23  
I just JP gets into something introduces other people. They then start beating, JP doesn't like it anymore. moves on to something else.

JP  29:31  
Eject out of hobby. With this, there's just the games I change. But yeah, no, that is completely true. I am not the most amazing player but I like to have fun. Nothing wrong with that. 

Ian  29:46  
Ahem loser

JP  29:46  
But there go back. Nobody's going back to the point of gaming group. So yeah, so I kind of felt that I need I wanted to kind of organise the sporadic gaming events that we were having And I think I said to you Ian probably way back if I set up a group. Yeah. And you jump in and probably said the same to you, Kris, that I've set something up. And would you jump in? And if you hold it, they will come? Yeah, yeah, a few of you hold the gaming event, then hopefully people will show up and, and then we set up a Facebook group. 

Ian  30:22  
Yeah, I think it just literally started on Facebook, 

JP  30:25  
and it still is on Facebook. And it's our annoyance sometimes. And it was justyes, bog standard Facebook group. And we, we didn't, we didn't have like a regular gaming night, per se, we would just pick a game. And we'll pick the night we wanted to play that game mainly me my selfish reasons all the games I'd started to accumulate, which probably at that time was four, which just seems again, mad looking around me

Ian  30:49  
again, at the time, that probably felt like a lot. By me, I've really gone full into this for four board games.

JP  30:55  
I've really gone deep 

Ian  30:56  
I'm looking behind me, there's, well I mean, there's two whole shelves of a Kallax with just with Nemesis on it. And you know, this is just hidden away out in the, in the mancave. 

JP  31:06  
More over there, so yeah, so it's essentially just saying up the basement group and setting up the events or specific games and scenery wanting to play. It's just really grown from there, isn't it? As we still do that, that same system, now we we just pick the game, we set it up, see who wants to play get the players and organise it from there. Yeah. 

Ian  31:24  
And I think work in group pretty organically, didn't it? Like you say that format just work quite well. It's like, whoever owned the game would set up an event because they want to play the game they bought on justify the fact they've spent the money on it. 

JP  31:36  
Spent £50 I want to get my money's worth.

Ian  31:38  
But then yeah, then everyone could just jump in if they wanted to jump in. And yeah, like loads of nice sites springing up. And there was there was kind of that like, initial period where it really gathered a lot of speed, even though there was still relatively few of us a group. There was like multiple nights a week, sometimes, there was a lot of gaming happening.

JP  31:56  
Yeah I know, I had to have a word with myself at some point and said, You need to calm this down, you've got work. working nine to five as a job. And then gaming four nights a week probably be a little bit too much. Naaa I loved it as brilliant. 

Ian  32:10  
I mean, who needs to see the family? Look after your kids

JP  32:13  
My two children. 

Ian  32:16  
Secondary concerns.

JP  32:17  
So yeah, so that's kind of how we started to grow. And then naturally, we had what? Four or five people in the group grew to like seven eight. Now we're 25 

Ian  32:29  
is not that many now 

JP  32:30  
we've got 25 in the group. We've got various different people of regular attendees

Ian  32:36  
There's still plenty of people in the group who haven't Yes, sorry. met other people.

JP  32:39  
Absolutely. Yeah. And people who like different things, and who were jump in and yeah, so we've got we got a complete different mix now. And that that's just grown from friends of friends of friends. Yeah. And and it's just been great just to get those kind of people jump into the table and meeting all sorts different people.

Ian  32:57  
And what's amazing what comes out of the woodwork isn't it is like there's two ways it goes when you have that conversation with someone's like, you know, what sort of things you into what you're up to the weekend or even tonight. And it's like, if you say, oh, you know, I'm going to go and play this board game with my board gaming group that I'm in. And you either get that kind of blank stare where you like, Okay, I'm never allowed to talk to you again. Now am I, Or they'll say, Oh, also against you into and suddenly you find out this is a person who either is a board gamer, or they know their husband, wife partner is a board gamer, or they've got friends who game. And yeah, just kind of like grows from there. And it's weird because board gaming, I suppose, is still seen as something of a niche hobby. And even throughout, like the pandemic, when there was a huge resurgence wasn't there in board gaming, people couldn't go out and do stuff. They were buying board games and playing them at home. But still, I think people don't understand like you were saying JP, just the the depth and breadth of what there is in the hobby. And like, the different corners of board gaming, people just think that board games are. I don't know, I suppose euros is basically what people think serious board gaming is. It's just there's a board with pieces of cubes, and you're doing things about the mediterranean, manipulating resources. It's like, well, no, it could be everything from like, you know, pencil and paper RPGs all the way through to like dexterity games, or like party games, or all of these other different genres and like, Yeah, I think if more people expose themselves to it, they'd find a little piece of it that they like

Kris  34:26  
Use your words wisely

JP  34:30  
You getting your doll out again

Kris  34:33  
so I'm amazed that you are up front and tell people quite quickly, because it's a dark secret for me. Just one of the last things I'm tell someone just because I know I'm going to be judged.

Ian  34:45  
I mean, there's I've got things I'm way more ashamed to say it's not not too much of a problem, but

Kris  34:51  
the majority of people you tell have no understanding. Now, it's just like, most niche hobbies, right? You got to get them to play something. Yeah, you to get any sort of understand exactly.

Ian  35:04  
But these days, like we're spoiled, right in that regard in that if you can just get someone to come along once, there's so many great gateway games now that didn't exist 10,15,20 years ago, you know, like now the fact that you could pull so an insert, right? That's play Azul or let's play Cockroach Poker, or Avalon or party game, Sushi Go Party Like, there's just so many options. And then from there people like all like this. And I like that. Well, if you like that, you might like this. And you get a big box out your Kallax going here, they get something a bit warmer, crunchy. So before you know it, they're the ones asking you like, Oh, can we do an all weekend? TI marathon? Can we play in a 8 player?

JP  35:42  
And then you I know I've made it? Yeah.

Ian  35:44  
Yeah, my question is successful

JP  35:49  
no, exactly. But I think that's just kind of quickly, kind of talk about, you know, the some of the hints and tips that and so the people that are starting, maybe you're you're just discovered this amazing hobby that we're all in. And in now trying to inflict all these games, obviously, your wife, your partner, your family members, and let's face it, they might play, but maybe they just don't share the same enthusiasm as you do. Yeah, hence was my story. And now you kind of go into how to scratch that itch more because it's not realistic to get your your, you know, your family, wife, partner, etc. To play three times a week.

Ian  36:24  
I mean, you might you might be lucky in that. Yeah, your your interests and preferences overlap perfectly. And your partner and 

JP  36:31  
we salute you

Ian  36:32  
or family. Yeah, it just is in to it as you are and in that case, we are jealous, but more than likely

Kris  36:38  
That is the unicord we are all trying for

JP  36:40  
That's Becky & Kerley though

Ian  36:42  
Yeah. Even there in two very different kinds of games. So like, I feel like when they both played the same game, one of them is compromising, at least Yes. In terms of like what they would prefer to be playing 

JP  36:55  
unless it's Terraforming Mars

Ian  36:56  
unless it's Terraforming Mars, and they're both over the moon. Yeah, if you're not successful in managing to find a life partner who will play games with you, because most people's family and children and immediate family, yes, they'll play this game with you. But you will just know that they don't want to play it again. And they will if you ask them to but you know, they don't want to. So it's kind of like you don't necessarily want your game partners to be there under duress. I mean, I'm sure JP would take what you get. 

JP  37:27  
I'll always take what I can get

Ian  37:29  
you play something with a dog if you could? 

JP  37:33  
He'll still beat me.

Kris  37:37  
I do have to bribe the kids to play me open my father's day treat last year was they play Game of Thrones Risk with me? Yeah. It's not saying that they're under duress

Ian  37:48  
You tied into the chairs? 

JP  37:50  
No, we've you know, like, like, for me, I get my enjoyment from other people at the table. If I know that they're just thinking oh god when will this end and like, I'm not going to get any satisfaction from that person.

Ian  38:00  
And you must find quite a few of our gaming nights unsatisfying.

JP  38:05  
Yes, and that's a story for another time. But now I think kind of going back to hints, hints and tips for people how do they get out if they don't know anyone to to kind of game with one of the avenues.

Ian  38:18  
Scott, there's lots of different options in like, what's going to work for you is going to vary drastically depending on where in the world you are, and what kind of place you live in, and all that kind of stuff. But the number one thing that doesn't matter where you are, the internet is fantastic, obviously for this for meeting people who have the same interests as you so there's any number of 1000s of board gaming, Facebook groups and Reddits. All other weird and wonderful corners of the Internet where board gamers meet up and there's also lots of like platforms online to play board games without even having to leave your home. So I know again, during the pandemic I ended up playing a lot on Board Game Arena. 

JP  38:58  
Yeah great 

Ian  38:59  
has got a pretty decent and he's getting there all the time array of proper board games, you know, a lot of the lighter stuff I don't think can play Twilight Imperium on there but

JP  39:10  
there's good stuff there's some of the heavier stuff oh yeah,

Ian  39:13  
there's some decent stuff on there and you can always take a step further on that and you know, look at Tabletop Simulator or something like that on steam so I would say it 

JP  39:20  
It does have Twilight Imperium,

Ian  39:22  
but I don't think I would I find it hard to play TI in the flesh. If I had to play on Tabletop Simulator, I think I would lose my mind it will take longer to play than it does in real life, even with the set up. So yeah, I think the tape will get flipped pretty quickly. But yeah, so I would suggest look around online, see if you can find board gaming groups that interest you. If you get involved in those communities in those groups inevitably you'll eventually bump in some people are like oh really I live down the road from you or we're just in the next town over and before you know it. There you go. You've made a connection you can start to kind of network with other gamers.

JP  39:59  
Yeah, I think the The Facebook group that I'd recommend kind of people jumping in and this is probably more UK based to be fair is the Board Game Trading and Chat UK Facebook group. That's the one I was thinking. Yeah, it has, I don't know how many people over 100,000, 

Ian  40:14  
certainly 10s of 1000s. 

JP  40:15  
Yeah, this is a good array of gamers in that group, all over the country. And even I posted on there too, to try and expand our group a little bit. Because sometimes we struggle with getting certain games or specific games to the table. And it's just good to kind of expand the ranks, that gives us all more options to play. And I would just say, get on there. get active, start working out who's who's, it might be quite a scary thing for people to do to kind of post and say, Hello, I've just got into the hobby. I don't really know much about it. And I want to play in who's in my area? And that might be quite. Yeah. You know, like putting yourself out there a little bit. But actually, as a group, they tend to look after kind of new the players very well. It's not like some Facebook groups where I would not recommend you do anything. Where you get sniped and trolled that forever, but they are very active. Their administrators are very on it. Yeah, to make sure that people are know for sure.

Ian  41:12  
I mean, that group specifically is yeah, just full of really good people. So like you don't to worry about some of the things you might legitimately worry about with the internet in general. But even you know further afield than that, in general, the whole hobby is pretty wholesome. I would say compared to the average, I mean, Nothing's ever perfect, obviously. And there's there's going to be dark and dingy little corners of gaming, where maybe there's some people you don't want to hang out with. But for the most part, everyone's very nice. 

Kris  41:41  
There's a knowing Look, they're 

Ian  41:43  
just glanced over at Kris whilst I said that, 

JP  41:46  
he's looking at you. 

Ian  41:49  
But is generally very welcoming, because it's again, like any niche hobby, it's in everyone's interest to make new people feel welcome, because that's the only way things are gonna grow is to get new people into it. Yeah,

JP  42:01  
I mean you can use Meetup, but yeah, meetup, there's an app, you can kind of search for growth groups that are all over the place. I was in London working and our second one the visit gaming group or something nearby that I can kind of jump on. Yeah, there's about 50 million, there's just so much choice. So you know, check those out. I think there's just the Internet is a mysterious and wondrous piece of technology. And I think it is probably the easiest time to find that group. Yeah. Or find the people that you want to kind of game with.

Ian  42:33  
If that isn't your cup of tea, if you're not so much an internet person. I mean, firstly, why listening to a podcast, but you know, whatever. But the other

JP  42:43  
Check out a radio station

Ian  42:44  
Yeah, why not listen to the wireless, getting your news via Morse code. But if for whatever reason, you want to go down a different route. Obviously, local game shops are a great way to meet other gamers. And almost every town now has at least one game shop and many have got as well as that game cafes and you know, special events and days run and things like libraries and school hours and stuff for being Jamie's, there's lots and lots of events like that as well, that you can check out and I mean, even just going down to local game store and just kind of mosey about see what they've got ask someone at the counter and just say like do you do on board gaming nights? Do you have like meet ups? Do you know and just see who you meet down there. You might just bump into people that suddenly is lower or less of a quick game, let's be no so local game stores. So it's definitely an avenue to explore. If nothing else, you can just have amazing about and look at what games there are. Because yeah, it's nice to see things in the flesh. I think rather than just, you know, |JP under his covers, looking at his FFG catalogue every night with his load with a torch.  Or look at that looks nice or

Look at what I could buy, and I will buy your watch just like turn that torch off. 

JP  44:01  
What you're looking at illicit photos. No, it's a board game catalogue. 

On that bombshell. So no, I think yeah, literally, to get out there. Put yourself out there. Ask those questions and try and game and don't force people into playing games that don't want to play them because it never works never works. And that's

Ian  44:24  
you've got to make a bit of a leap that's the point Yeah, got like a bit of a leap. But you will find that there are so many more people who are receptive to this then you would think oh, I was

JP  44:33  
I was the same Oh, when I kind of set the group up is thinking are people are people going to do this? Is this is going to fall on its arss? Is it going to work? And you can't you talk yourself out doing so many things so easily. It's just ignore that just do it? Because actually, you'll find that most people will actually want to do it.

Ian  44:52  
Yeah. And also like It's like anything like this when you're trying to start something new you don't worry about doing it right. Just do it. Just do it. You know? Even if everything goes wrong, even if you play Battlestar and something terrible happens that no one will ever forget. Or forgive. Then you can still recover from that. And you can still grow a group and have a good time. So yeah, just just starting is the hardest part. So just start

JP  45:26  
So, question time, we have got a question in from our very own James Davey. Thanks Davey,

Ian  45:34  
Is it? Are you evil?

JP  45:35  
Are you evil? 

Ian  45:37  
Are you Merlin

JP  45:39  
I'm not enjoying this

Those are some catchphrases for our friend Davey, which I'm sure you'll meet very soon. Thinking that she will be the next episode. Because it is absolutely it is. 

Ian  45:49  
Yeah. So he can he can explain what he's not enjoying. Why he's not enjoying it is not evil, not evil, that you are evil.

JP  45:58  
Anyway. So his question was, do certain designers get your juices flowing? i.e. is the certain designers of games that you look out for? And if so, why? 

Ian  46:10  
No, just move on. Yeah.  Good. Do I like I'm sure that there probably are I'm I'm sort of shamefully ignorant perhaps of sometimes who the designers are of the games that I'm playing. I'm sure I'm not the only one. There'll be people out there. Who can you can empathise with that. But there are definitely individual games where, you know, the designer, or the developer has done an incredibly good job, and you can appreciate it even without knowing who they are. Yeah. So yeah, I can't drop any specific names, although I've got a lot of respect for Damon Stone, who was the lead designer on Netrunner for a long time. But beyond that, it's just the games that I enjoy. So whoever designed those games, that's that's my juices flowing.

JP  46:58  
Yeah, for me, it's an it's more than publisher but the brothers Carlson of Josh and Adam, who set-up Chip Theory Games, and therefore came out with various different games one of them Too Many Bones unsurprisingly, but anything that they kind of lend their hand to whether that's Cloudspire, whether that's the kind of Burncycle which is a new one that's coming literally, in about a month's time. Hoplomachus and various other games that they work on, I'm instantly interested, I will just check them out. And again, this is more neoprene and poker chips. Because I've not got enough of that clearly. Those are two designers that I kind of respect and follow both and now I think the Richard Arman and Victor Peter from Mindclash Games, hopefully we've got the names, right. And, and also David Turzi, who designed an acronym. And David Turzi is a genius in kind of game design, in my opinion, as some of the mechanics and things he puts together just blows my mind, like an Anahrony itself is like, if you've ever played and you probably haven't. It's a very heavy, it's a very heavy workplace and time travel kind of game. And, and yeah, it's just clever the way the way it's pulled together. But again, it's my Mindclash Games that kind of tick my boxes in terms of the kind of games that they produce. So those are the ones that springs to mind there are loads actually work for games that have designers, obviously, most of them that I haven't played, such as the Vital Lacerda, who has done many, many very, very complex games such as Kanban. And Lisboa, and various other other games, I'd love to try them I haven't yet got to kind of try them. So it's one I know the designer have heard the prestigious information about the designer, but I've never actually tried it in their games. So I'd like to try some.

Kris  48:59  
So what how does it evolve them? Because persumably the would you choose the game just solely on whose design

JP  49:06  
I have done? So sometimes I will take a punt on a game based on the designer because I've liked their previous work. So an example of that would be Alexander Pfister, Pfister game so he's he's done Great Western Trail, had a punt on Maracaibo really enjoyed that Yeah. And you know, he's got other ones out there Boon Lake and others which are happily try just knowing how we can match matches the games up and how he designs them. I think I would enjoy them. So yeah, it's I wouldn't say I have to get them all to tell myself this don't buy all the games that are designers, like published because it's just madness or at least not yet. Not yet. But some of them it has happened. I want to collect them all like Pokemon but there we go.

Kris  49:58  
Now does it will filter down with first time you hear about the game, and then decide

JP  50:03  
I think I think it's just more experimenting with the different games are out there. And then learning actually, this was designed by so and so and more in the hobby you'll start to, to kind of understand because

Ian  50:14  
this is the thing, Kris, when you buy and own as many games as JP does, you know,

Kris  50:19  
I've seen a different side to him tonight

Ian  50:21  
Yeah. It's like asking someone I, you know, I have to figure out what craft beer like or what wine you like. So well, if you're down the pub every single night, you basically just figure it out in the end. You know what you like? It's true.

JP  50:35  
Thanks for the question. Davey. Sir. Obviously, we're asking our internal gaming group the questions and you'll you'll probably hear that common theme as we start. We want to hear from you, our listeners, we want your questions. So interact with us on our Facebook page and ask those questions to us. And we'll get them on the show. And yeah.

Ok, it's time to wrap this episode up and talk about our Penultimate Turn. So, Kris, what are you looking forward to? What's on your Horizon? As a gaming non gaming generally life

Kris  51:21  
As Ian in alluded to, we're gonna be doing some Crokinole.

Ian  51:24  
Yes, these are the two events I booked to your house. And 

JP  51:28  
it's Crokinole 1 and Crokinole 2: The Crokinoling

Ian  51:31  
Yes, I think that's what I went for. Well, I didn't want to put up two events that were both just called Crokinole is enough for people might get confused. You know, it's like a different background images on them as well. As I was very impressed. I was thinking, yeah, when with the light horror film naming convention for for Crokinole 2: The Crokinoling

Kris  51:49  
It's always good to get everyone round. And i'm looking forward to that. To get practising for Crokinole for the tournament that Ian's holding

Ian  51:58  
Talk about that in a minute. 

Kris  51:59  
And yeah, just really pleased to get some people around. Because

JP  52:05  
not had it have we, it's been a while, yeah looking forward to that

Ian  52:08  
I look forward to that. It could be patchy, sometimes gonna, it's like, even if there's lots of events running, sometimes it's like they fill up or they're not quite the game you want to play. And so you can go like, a few weeks without dipping in something. So when that happens, it's really nice to then have something to look forward to. And like, are you everyone's gonna be coming around for that one, especially when it's Crokinole

JP  52:27  
I think it's good that a lot of people by seeing events in the gaming group that are not just mine, because let's face it, I'll probably have the monopoly of 80% of the events that are up there.  So to generally mean this is I could tell the people just putting them in, because I can't attend everything, especially the minute. But yeah, it's great to see that you doing that. I can only do I try to can't, because life and family work getting

Ian  52:53  
You say life You mean wife and children?

JP  52:56  
Damn with my gaming? I love them really So cool what about you Ian

Ian  53:00  
Yeah, like I said, also looking forward to getting some crokinole. And I've not really played much through the pandemic. I mean, at the beginning of COVID, I was playing some sort of remote Crokinole with people where it is yeah, so I had like, we all had this kind of janky tripod setup, hovered above the board, we take our shots, and then we'd be on a zoom call with the other player who would then put the desk where our shot ended. And we'd kind of go back and forth like that. It was about as painful as it sounds, because sometimes they put it and be like, not quite there now a little bit to the right. No, not that, right, the other right, and then you realise the image is flipped, and it will be. So it took a long time, to play a Crokinole that way. So that kind of petered out pretty quickly. Yeah. But now that, you know, the world started to open up a bit again. Yeah, looking forward to get some more Crokinole. And and yet, like Kris mentioned, we've just released tickets for the first ever UK Crokinole champions. 

JP  53:59  
Yes, 

Ian  54:00  
that's going to be happening at the UK Gaming Expo in June. So yeah, tickets are on sale. Now. I can't remember what the web address is because I'm extremely unprofessional. But I'm sure JP will put it in the show notes. So yeah, we've got 32 Tickets on sale as of today, I think we have 19 remaining. So not many tickets left. So 

JP  54:20  
I've got one of them. 

Kris  54:21  
I got one as well

Ian  54:21  
Yeah, and who knows. But yeah, really excited to be doing that. We managed to get some cooperation from Jeremy over Tracy Boards in Ontario, as well as James from Masters of Games up London way. And they're putting up a Tracy Tour board as a raffle prize. So everyone who enters the first ever UK Crokinole Championship will have the opportunity of an equal chance to 

Kris  54:48  
1 in 32 chance

Ian  54:49  
Basically less and less if we sell out those 32 I'm not promising but we might be able to increase to perhaps 64 players, but no promises. Yeah, that's all very exciting. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. I don't know whether I'm going to be able to actually play or whether I'll be to organising. I would like to play, but it's shaping up to be quite a logistical nightmare, so we'll see how things pan out.

JP  55:15  
It will be a shame if you can't but I understand.

Ian  55:17  
I'm not too bothered either way, because like, if I don't play, if I don't play, then I can just be like, how I probably would have won, but I couldn't play could I you know, then it's got an excuse. Where's my play and then lose? Then i'll be annoying. But yeah, so now I'm excited about that. And also just like getting see a bunch of new Crokinole people that I've probably not met before. We do have a Crokinole UK Facebook group as well. And it's been quite active recently. And there's lots of new people like getting into that game. So yes, I would thoroughly recommend Crokinole to everyone.

JP  55:51  
Yeah, I'd say check that out. Get your ticket, if you've not already got it. And the fact that you're on at the Expo is amazing. What, uh, you know, could you find a better place to kind of run this? 

Ian  56:02  
It's just ideal, I mean, we had it lined up for 2020. And obviously, we all know what happened in 2020. Everything was ready to go. So it's been like, it feels like I've been waiting, like three years to get this event launched. And yeah, it's just really exciting because I think we can go from strength to strength from here. I've been trying to do a lot to bring together people who play Crokinole in the UK. So yeah, the chance to have like, a flagship event and crown a champion is pretty exciting. 

JP  56:28  
Brilliant, now, I think for me, we've got an eclipse tomorrow. Looking forward to that it's been a while since I've got that to the table. I really do enjoy that game. So that's happening. Also, we've got a playthrough of Anunnaki: Dawn of gods, which is a new game not even released is coming to Kickstarter, this this year. If you're probably in next month, or something like that. I'm fortunate enough to go and play that with Paul Grogan from Gaming Rules!

Ian  56:56  
Check you with your industry connections

JP  56:59  
I know got an industry connection, everyone. It's amazing. It means I get to play games. I remember at least and generally, if you haven't kind of heard of Paul, check his YouTube channel out Gaming Rules!. It's just really good. Yeah, I've watched some videos. They're really really Yeah, it's very, very good at doing god anything kind of gaming has been in the industry for a long long time. And he knows this stuff, so definitely check him out. But but this this game, though, is quite intriguing. It's so I'm going to read the Board Game Geek strapline that's kind of on there it says "develop your aliens civilization among ancient human tribes, gods and space travel. So essentially, you are alien from an alien race that settled on ancient times. 

Ian  57:43  
And okay, so this is kind of like, like, aliens built the pyramids kind of thing. Yeah. Okay,

JP  57:49  
so and it's a Euro game. I think it has like minis involved but it's not really kind of minis fighting game it's a proper Euro game at heart probably a bit like Eclipse in that respect. So looking forward to it just good to kind of play new stuff really and I love experiment and so that's happening and then the last thing is in preparation for our next episode, which is going to be a feature and again focus on Nemesis the game because we all talk about it and want to give it the spotlight want to talk about Nemesis and kind of what it means to everyone and

Ian  58:23  
I'm looking over my shoulder at it right now. When I say it I mean, six or seven boxes of Nemesis so looking forward to that and

JP  58:31  
in preparation for that we are playing one of the expansions which is the Voidseeders expansion we played the core game we played the Carnomorphs. And now we're going to give the Voidseeders a go which are an alien race, that specialise if you think Event Horizon the film, okay, so very much more manipulating your mind state than actual physical horror

Ian  58:53  
sounds right up your alley. 

JP  58:55  
Sounds like Arkham Horror. 

Ian  58:56  
No, just sounds like you building a gaming group.

JP  58:58  
Absolutely. Inflicting horror on unfortunate soul just a

Kris  59:03  
It's just a social experiment really isn't it

Ian  59:05  
This is a social experiment that went too far. Now we can't stop it

JP  59:09  
cannot stop. So now I'm looking forward to getting out of the table. We'll talk about that more on the next episode. So I think we got there. Yeah,

Ian  59:17  
I think that's another I say another episode in the bag, technically this is episode 1

JP  59:20  
one. Yeah, we've got our first episode in the bag. So yeah, so with that, we'll wrap up and we'll count up the victory points. And again, thank you all for listening. If you enjoyed the show, please like subscribe and review on your podcast player of choice. And if you want to find out more about the show, you can check us out on our website www.whoseturn.co.uk and our Facebook Page Whose Turn Is It Anyway Podcast, and we'll be back again two weeks time with another episode. So until then, whose turn is it?

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