Dr. John Amaral on Unblocking Energy Flow

have not felt in a really long time. His name is Dr John Amoral, and he's going to walk us through understanding something called energy flow and how utilizing it and working with energy can help us all alleviate stress, tension, and experience better health and more happiness. So let's jump right in wing that with me. John Tomorrow, thank you so much for joining us on the Holy Human podcast. I'm excited to talk energy with you because you were so kind to give me a session so I could

experience your work, which was trippy and so cool. I felt high after and and everything like felt like it was breathing, which we'll get into it a bit. But you have developed something called the Energy Fullow formula that you've been working with for the last twenty five years. So for someone who hasn't experienced your work, can you explain what that formula is all about. First of all, it was awesome working with you, and thank you. I'm

excited to talk to you about this. You're definitely a very aware and connected human beings, so so we can get into that whole process. But what happened is I

started out as a fine artist. I was a fine art major, and then I ended up going to chiropractic college through a series of events that I had never been to a chiropractor, never had any kind of body work or any kind of healing work at all, and I just found myself sort of taking this completely different path into into healthcare and I became a chiropractor and

I built a practice in working with people. Over the years, I found that so many that challenges people were facing were experienced as physical symptoms, but they weren't actually from physical causes. So you would have somebody in a relationship

challenge to stress going on. They would have financial stress, they would have, you know, a lot a loss of a loved one, they would have all these things that were going on that we're not coming from a physical injury or accident, but they were showing up as physical symptoms in the body. Because we process what we can't feel an experience on other levels through our physical symptoms.

That's kind of what our body does. So I just started tying together people's experience of life, what they were going through, their emotions, they're unprocessed things that they had been experiencing with their physical symptoms, and started developing ways to work more with the whole person. And I love you know your podcast as wholy human. It was like the whole human being rather than just oh, you have a something going on in your back or your shoulder,

or you have headaches or you have this symptom. I realized that everything is interconnected in ways that if you really start to look at your life and what's going on in your life and how you're living your life, and what you're dealing with and what you're not dealing with, you're going to find that everything makes sense and the things that are showing up in the body totally do make sense. There symptoms become like a guide or signpost for you to pay attention to make changes and deal

with things. And as I started putting all that together, I started coming up with more kind of approaches and techniques, and my studies took me all over the world to South America, to Europe to Asia, to study with different people, learn different approaches and techniques, and so I combine all of these like practices and tools and ways of working with the body on the body, off the body, and the energy field which we can get into, and that

whole conglomeration of approaches to work with the whole person became the formula well energy, I feel it can be. An energy work can be really kind of an elusive thing for a lot of people because we don't we can't well some of us can see it, some of us can hear it, but a lot of us can't. It becomes this it's just this kind of concept, and for me still it's I understand it, but sometimes I don't quite know how to integrate like what I understand

when it comes to energy. So for those of us who it's still a concept, can you maybe talk about energy work and maybe ground it a little bit more, explain why it's so important for us to learn to work with our energy for our health. Those are great questions. So firstly, we tend to think of and I grew up with this same experience that anyone working with energy or working with chakras are working with the energy body or you know this is just a bunch of wi

will garblely goopy like nothing. But the truth is everything is energy at the sub atomic level. The whole body is really patterns of vibrating or oscillating energy. Every physicist knows this. You know that it's it's essentially less than five percent of the entire physical world that we experience around us is actually physical matter. Everything, our bodies, what we touch, what we see, what we experience is ninety It is just pure energy. And even the matter is

actually energy at its core. So everything is energy. How we're using that energy, whether that energy is flowing, whether it's blocked or bound up, whether we experience a freedom and a flow in a sense of ease, or where we feel anxiety and pent up energy and bound up energy. It's every emotion we feel, whether everything that we experience on subtle levels in our mind is tied into energy. I think one way to explain it is if you boil water, it takes a certain threshold of energy to

hit boiling point of to it, and wealve degrees. If you don't turn up enough heat energy, you don't change the form of H two O into vapor. If you drop energy in water, you pull the energy out of it through put it in the freezer. That same H to a molecule will become a solid, will become ice. It's still H two oh, it's still the same molecules, but by changing the amount of energy in that H two oh, you change the form of it. And this is really true for everything. Our bodies were mostly made

of water and energy. When you understand the energy is a real thing, not just some woo woo thing that doesn't have a tangible relationship to the physical world, you start to go, well, that, actually, that's interesting. Like when I feel depleted and depressed and I feel lethargic, it's because you dropped your energy down to a level where you can't even organize your thoughts. You can't even experience or express higher level emotions because the energy is so low.

When you're just super high, you're expanded. It's like you've hit the boiling point and now you're like expanding. That's what vapor does. Water turns into vapor and expands an goes everywhere. So part of us is really all of us is organized by by energy. In a very real and tangible way. So that's number one. Number two, you asked about our health. So when we have health challenges, when we have let's say we have chronic headaches, So

let's say we have chronic adjustive stuff going on. Let's say we have a sense of tension we just can't shake, or a physical symptom that's been persistent, it just seems like it's not going away. We have to understand that when we're stressed out, that's and and stress can be physical from injuries, it can be emotional from just stress we're experience, and it can be mental psychological, and it can be chemical by things we're putting into our bodies,

are exposing ourselves too. They all trigger the same fight or flight response in the body. So when you're under stress, your body tenses up, you breathe more, shallow, oxygen gets um. You know, we're used to certain parts of your body, and blood focus pushed out to the muscles. It gets pushed away from your digestive system because it's preparing you to be engaged with something you have to survive through fight, flight or free You either run away from it, you

engage with it, or you freeze. And so usually when you're having a physical symptom or health challenge, not usually always there's some degree of fight or flight going on where you're holding all this stuff in your body and you're experiencing symptoms because there's so much bound up energy that your brain is like, I don't know how to deal with this. I'm going to experience it as pain or I'm going to experience it as tension. I'm gonna experience it in the physical because I can't process it

right now. I don't have the awareness or I don't have the tools or support to deal with it on the other levels. If that makes sense? Does that? Does that make sense? Yeah? Yeah, totally. So how does energy get stuck in the body? You're saying from from just us not being aware enough to deal with these emotions and or the physical pain that's coming up? I mean, how do we the mechanism of how it actually gets there? Yeah? Like, how does it actually gets Yeah? How does it actually

get stuck? It's easy to understand if you have an accident or injury. Let's say you have a whiplash injury. Someone rearends you from behind. Your next snaps back, and next thing you know, a couple of days later, you just feel seized up. You feel tension. Maybe a disk is bulged. Maybe the musculatures like holding all this tension because it got overstretched and then it contracted because the body was trying to protect or grip or armor off

the area so that they wouldn't have further injuries. So we can understand on a physical level, the body would be injured, we recoil, we'd hold everything because the brain is like, wait, this isn't safe. We have to create some inflammation to protect this from further injury. Let's hold all this together and make sure that we have time to heal and sort this out. So that's easy to understand. It's harder for people to bridge when it's like nothing's happening.

You're like, I look around and everything right now in the world, it's like everything doesn't feel fine for most people. But a lot of times we're like, my life is good, Like there's a lot of positives and I'm grateful for things, but like, why do I feel like there's a tension I can't shake, or why do I have these headaches or why do I have these physical symptoms? How does

that have to do with energy? Well the psychological mental emotional stress of the concern about the future, anxiety from uncertainty, unprocessed grief from the loss of a loved one or from the loss of a job, or just financial stress of like how am I gonna hold it all? How we're gonna make it through this? All those kind of things, They initiate the same fight or flight response in the body as a whiplash. It's just from a different input. So your mind can actually just from the experience of

the stressful situation, can then start to tighten up. We feel it. We feel it when we feel overwhelmed, when we feel scared, when we feel sad. It's like we we we don't open and expand in this like free flowing way. We're like holding it all, trying to hold it. That's the fight or flight response. So what's happening there is you're binding up energy in the muscles, You're you're holding energy in the spine. Inside your spine, the whole

spinal cord stretches. Your spinal cord comes down from your brain and goes down through your neck and goes all the way down through to your tail boom. And it's imagine a guitar string with a bunch of little filaments running through your whole body, through the from top to bottom, and then a bunch of little strings coming off of

that and they're all connected. That's kind of like what the nervous system or central nervous system is like, where when you're under stress, the whole thing goes under physical tension. It's like tightening up the string and everything tightens in the body, and the whole vibrational state of the body changes with stress. And then when you release that, when you let it go, the whole central nervous system relaxes physically.

It can stretch like over two inches, so inside your spine, inside the little to going through the center of your body, that spinal cord is actually stretchable like multiple inches. So when it's stretched, when it's tight, that's that's what fight or flight does. It tightens it up because it's repairing you, like coiling you up ready to react. When you let

it go, it's all goes back into flow. But what happens is people tighten up and then they hold it, and then they stack another stress on and they hold it and they stuck another stress on, and there's no real release, and then all that energy is just vibrating in your body physically. It's not just like conceptually, it's physically vibrating in the tissues of your body. That's how I feel. I feel it right now we're talking about it. I'm like, I literally I'm like shaking because I feel

I totally feel what you're talking about. And it's it's interesting because when I think about, Okay, so I'm going into this fear response or I'm having a stress or in my life, it's almost like you can't close the circuit. So like the circuit just stays on. But if if we're going around in everyday life, if we're aware of our feelings and emotions that come up, if we can't process that in the moment, but do I make some time at night to be like, oh I need to

go back and process that later. I mean, that's like takes that takes us aware. And this is why energy and awareness of energy are key to everything. Their key to our success in life, their key to evolution. They're cute. I mean, efficient use of energy is critical. So if you're just stacking up a bunch of stuff and you're holding your bucket of everything, you poured into your bucket of the day, of all the stresses, and you're not dumping that bucket out, it will start overflowing. That's what

symptoms are. I mean, eventually you can't hold anymore. And that's where like people can bend over to pick up a piece of paper and have a disk blowout, or they can, you know, just twist a little bit to the left and then all of a sudden their next season is up and they're like, where did this come from? How did this happen? And they're looking for a physical mechanical cause. But really it's the last sort of straw because you just you haven't been processing or somehow releasing

that built up energy. And the way you have to do it is you have to dissipate that energy out of your body through some kind of practice, some kind of you need some kind of tools, because otherwise working out, we we all know the right things to do. You know, we should work out. We know we should drink plenty of water. We know we should eat healthy. We know we should stretch, we should probably do yoga, we should meditate.

We know all we're supposed to do all those things that if you did even a fraction of those on a regular basis, you would be in a lot better shape. But you can do all of those things and still have tension you can't shake. Because you can be doing all the right stuff. You can be good enough and working out, stretching your body, going for a run, having lots of fluids, eating this really really clean diet, and

you cannot be dealing with something in your relationship. You could not be having this hard conversation with your family members. You could be completely in a job that you hate or doing something that you know has a limited time because you're not passionate about it and you know you need to make a change and you're not dealing with that.

So whatever that is, Like you had said earlier, you have these like it's like having apps on your phone open and running and drawing energy that you're not like closing down or you're not dealing with and they're just in the background running. So every single thing that we don't really deal with or is out of our awareness altogether because either it happened in the past and we

just weren't even a where it happened. I mean, I've worked with a lot of people that have had abuse or situations where they don't remember it because the brain and body just it's part of that fight or flight. It kind of cloaked or locked it, locked that trauma off and sent that energy somewhere in the body. Or it could be something going on right now where you're you're like, it's happening, but you your mind goes. My blueprint for reality is this X, and what's happening is why.

And I can't seem to bridge those two things. So instead of actually dealing and changing or transforming myself, I'll just play pretend in a way that it's not happening and I'll just go about my life and what And when you're doing that, that inner conflict and that friction creates all this extra tension and a lot of symptoms that people are experiencing are these red flag that say

pay attention, you're overriding or ignoring something. I'm gonna give you a louder signal, because those cells in your body are like a little colony of you that are like hello, like they're screaming out there having this experience and you're ignoring them, or you're overriding them, or you're not paying attention. Either you're not aware altogether, or you are aware and you're just not taking action or dealing, and all of

those things kind of together. How you listen to your body, ignore your body, or how you empty out that bucket, what your practices are for really taking inventory and going what's happening, are going to determine how well energy is flowing and how well you feel inside, because you can do all the right stuff, but you can feel miserably ill and totally depressed and you can do so we all know people that are like they're smoking, they're smoking,

they're drinking, they're doing all this stuff, and they're like, actually, I'm not saying like in a totally um addictively, but they're like doing all this stuff. You're like, you're doing all the wrong stuff. Why are you freaking happy? Right? So, because those are wellness and illness or the subjective experiences, inner experience of what we're feeling, whereas like what you can gauge with the physical body, whether it's healthy or not healthy, is it has disease or no, No, disease

is a different like spectrum. So my goal is always to help let's get so connected and aware that we can find that sense of ease and flow internally subjectively, but we can also like do practices and things that help our body be healthy so that you can have both. You can feel healthy on the inside and well and you can also have physical health. Well, I mean you mentioned something because I feel like there's so many of us that have disconnected from our bodies. I do all

the stuff you were just saying. I do all the stuff and still feel like super anxious. And I know for me there's probably some trauma. There, a lot of trauma that is locked up in the tissues. And I've always noticed that I'm able to work with my mind, I'm able to work with so many other things except for my body. And that's been one of the most challenging places for me because I have been so disconnected

from it. And so how do we first start to rebuild that connection so we can become aware of the energy that's going on. All the achievers and the artists and the like super passionate people doing things in the world like they tend to have some of the same challenges, and that is this ability to make things happen even when it's challenging, and you sort of like power through it. You make your way, you make it happen. It's like

you've got to go on. It's like it's time. Like, so you have a headache, you have a sore throat, do you have this with that? It's like it's like, this is the time where you have to go on. So everybody has that in some areas of their life in certain ways. And so what I've identified is there's

this paradox. I call it the paradox of change, because you cannot really change something and truly transform your situation and tell you have fully associated with and experienced what is really going on, and there has to be some kind of acknowledgement of that. There has to be some kind of surrender in a way to what is. Before you can have the experience of what you want to have, you have to first acknowledge where you're at now. And if you're where you are at now is like everything sucks,

it's so hard. I feel overwhelmed. This is crap. Then it's difficult to feel but we don't want to feel that. And and especially it's juven oriented people. They're like, why would I spend even a millisecond in that state when I can do You got stuff to do? And so like, give me the tool to like not feel this and feel that, and that is a short term fix. You totally just read my mind like literally of like how do I just how do I not feel that? Just

get right to the big want to feel. All right, my friends, we are going to take a quick break, but when we return, you and I are going to learn about the tools to break out of the cycle of negativity and negative energy. We were just talking about falling into the cycle of negative feelings because people that are motivated and active in the world to make things happen are not into languishing in the crap. They feel

there's no value in it. And the paradox is that as soon as you allow yourself to feel an experience where you really are for a moment, it changes, But it doesn't change if you have an agenda to get somewhere else before you fully experience it. So even like the mind of the superachiever is like, all right, what do I have to do? I have to go through some process where I have to feel where I'm at, which I don't want to be because it really sucks.

And then once I do that, then I can feel better and I can do what I want to do in your mind's like yeah exactly. So you're like, all right, give me the stupid process. And then you go, okay, what am I supposed to feel? And just okay, what do you feel? And then usually what will happen is you'll start to kind of scan in a process, might be put in your hands on your body and feeling maybe you're putting your hands on your heart or in your head or some part of your body, and going

to yourself like what do I actually feel here? And for so many people it's like nothing, I feel totally numb. And it's just because again the mind and the ego will be like, well, you really feel sad, but it's not okay to feel sad. So instead of feeling sad, we're gonna feel like an elephant is compressing your chest and and your ribs are collapsing and you're having a heart attack. Oh, and then you're like, why do I feel anxiety? You really are feeling sad, but it's not registering.

So instead of actually experiencing that, you experienced the crushing pressure on your chest. And this is like what's called so mad at sizing. It's it's taking an experience that is being felt and then blocking out the emotion of it, and when the emotion is actually here's the interesting thing.

Emotion is requires physical movement and sound and tone. So if you don't have physical move moving and tone, if you don't make a sound or you know, you don't have some kind of expression of tone and the body doesn't move in some way, you haven't really expressed emotion. And so the energy is there, but your brain doesn't register it. It It can like compartmentalize it off. And so that's where you feel like pressure, intention and an anxious feeling.

Because the truth is you're feeling may be scared, you're feeling sad, you're feeling alone, you're feeling overwhelmed, but you haven't really transferred that into some kind of expression, which is like emptying out the bucket um and so now you're just stacking all this stuff. And then you're like, now I feel physical tension. So let me take two advil, or let me have a vicating or let me like give me a couple of glasses of wine, like give

me something to not feel this. So that takes you further away from what you're actually feeling, because now you're stepping out of first there was a strong emotional feeling that didn't get expressed, and now the energy is bound up in the body because it didn't get to move, so it's stores and the muscles and the tendons and

the fascia and the organs and everywhere else. And I was just sitting there and then your brain goes, oh, that's physical tension, so I need to stretch it out, or I need to take something to make that physical feeling not be so strong, which is like have a drink,

have an advil, whatever. And then now you're further removed because that even blocks you out more, and pretty soon you're just like you're disconnected totally from your body, and your body is no longer a source of ease, peace, connection,

or a safe place for you to call home. Really, but if we go all the way back to early in life, for a lot of people, their body was not a safe place to call home from the start because the birth process was super traumatic or intense, or they had an early childhood abuse, or they had a really intense experience growing up where it wasn't safe to feel or express, and so like you just you kind of leave your body and so returning to and sometimes for the first time, just getting to know your body

and experiencing your body as a as Wow, I can, you know, engage with my body and explore it and have curiosity and feel things is like a totally different language. It's a new experience, new territory for a lot of people. Yeah, especially if you grow up with I mean, there's so much shame around body, even just to to get to know our own bodies, I mean we Yeah, that was

not a language that was spoken to me. And I find it so interesting that sound is such a big part of your process because I've worked with my body and energy, but with your process, I feel like this sound is something that's so important. And when we work together the other day, I don't think I've cried like that ever. Afterwards, I was like, God, how many times in my life have I needed to cry like that?

To really wail? And for someone who uses their voice all the time, it's interesting how much shame and fear can be around actually emoting through voice. Crying is something that I feel. I've been working a little bit with the work that you teach of the past few days, and when we get into stuff, certain things like anger, rage, and things that are in the body. It's that for me is almost where it's like, is there a sound

to that? I don't know, I don't know what for you to be expressing and sharing this When you are internationally inclaimed artists and singer and you bear it all and express yourself in front of millions of people, I think about just someone who you're at home and you're like, I, I'm afraid to even sing in my car, you know, I'm afraid to sing in my shower, to even make sounds because for so many people, it's like, I'm so self conscious about about how I'll be perceived, and sometimes

I'm so self conscious about even what sounds might come out of me, because I think I might be a freak. I might be just a weird, damaged person. And if I'm making a sound that sounds feeble or weak like oh god, you know, or if I'm making a sound that sounds anger, you know, you're making these sounds if

they really came out and expressed. Sometimes they'll really like surprise you because you a growl, a grown a moan um, you know, some like guttural sound comes out, and it's like not when you you ordinarily make that can challenge your whole conditioning about what's okay and what's not. And this is where it starts, because someone in our life said, whether this was spoken or whether this was unspoken, they said, look,

this is the range that's okay to be in. But if you go beyond this range, now now you're bad or now you are too much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like you cannot, you know, show sadness or weakness, or you cannot show anger. You cannot raise your voice, you cannot. And so these are just patterns that are culturally and familiarly conditioned where we learn how to limit or reduce or mute down our expression in order to be accepted or to not lose love. Right, So so we learned

how to kind of adapt ourselves. And then you have all this energy stored in different parts of your body. Because when the body, when we're stressed and if we don't express it, like we're talking about earlier, that mechanism is the body's in fight or flight. So you push that energy somewhere into the physical tissues of the body, and now it's it's like imagine a a vibration that's happening through your whole body. It's a freak out vibration.

You want to be like, you know, you want to just freak out, but you're like, Okay, I can't freak out because it's not okay, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get whacked with a belt or whatever. So you hold it all together and then you just like hold it in. Now, where did the energy go. It's like it's still there. It's not like it ever. You're still feeling what you're feeling. It just isn't expressing through the body. So that energy that now can't move out through motion, through sound, through

some kind of expression. It's it's contained now. It's it's it's it's like a vibrating it's like a chamber. Your body becomes now a chamber where the vibration just bouncing around and and the more compressed it gets into certain areas, the more it feels solid. Because we're not actually solid. Nothing is solid. The able, the chair, the physical roof over your head, they are not actually solid at the sub atomic level. It's all energy patterns. There's nothing solid there.

You can think of a tornado. You drive your car at a tornado, there's nothing solid there, but you're gonna hit a point where it's going to break you apart. The powerful tornado will rip a house apart, but it's just wind. But it's a vortex of energy that's vi that's swirling at such a rate that it becomes it acts like a solid And that's basically what cells and tissues of the body are. So the whole thing is

this vibrational experience. And if we can match and begin to feel and express using tone and vibration to mirror what that frequency is, then it lets our brain are or higher centers of the brain register what is being experienced, and then energy can start to come out, and it can in a natural and organic emotion can actually arise not from us just trying to like push energy out, but from us going what what would be like holding up a tuning for to this feeling or variance in

my body, what sound or tone or vibration. If I just touched my body in the area where I feel symptomatic, if I just put my hands there and I didn't try to change anything or make it go away, I realized that this, this is a part of me that's vibrating with a certain frequency, and I just took a breath there into the nose and out the mouth, and I let out a sound that matched that feeling. What would that sound be? And then you kind of play with it until you find something that actually mirrors or

matches that frequency. And if you can't find it, you might just recognize, wow, I'm disconnected from this part, and you just verbalize and say, well, I'm totally numbed out from this area. I'm totally dis connected. How is it weird that I don't even I can't even feel my body here. It's like someone else's body. It feels empty or solid or avoided out. Just acknowledge it for a moment, and then usually that's enough. This is part of the paradox.

You stopped trying to change what is there, and suddenly you're with what is there, and it's when when when you're with it, it changes. That's is the nature of how things work. As soon as you stop trying to change something and you fully associate and accept and allow it to be where it is, you're already in the process of changing. But people think they're going to get stuck there. They're like, I don't want to go there.

We're going back to earlier or an achiever especially, It's like, I don't want to go into that place because if I'm not trying to change something, how's the change, Because isn't that what we're here to do is like improve things. So there's this little glitch and if you get that that you can realize that it only takes a millisecond of acceptance of where you are fully and then it

can open up to a new possibility. It will change your life, that that one recognition, and when you stop trying to get rid of things and stop trying to make them go away, and you realize its whole. I'm whole. I'm a whole human. Every part of me is is important. And instead of trying to get rid of these parts, let me see if I can have a relationship with them and start to let them influence how I live

my life when we work together. The other day, I was incredibly low and depressed and I fully you told me that, and I fully committed to the couch for two days. I'm just saying, yeah, I ended up not fighting it, and it's still with me. It hasn't completely shifted, but to not fight it and to think I should be doing something else. That's where the suffering happens, right like where we we think we should be somewhere that

we're not totally. The suffering is is in the is in the mind's concept of what should be happening versus what's really there. Because if you fully stop trying to change something, and you really seek to just feel and experience, and you ask for awareness and guidance and support from the universe, and you're and you're like, look, I I just I want to be with with what is, and and you stop trying to, you know, get somewhere else.

This is kind of the hero's journey, or this is the vision quest where you go like out into the full wrist or whatever, and you go, I gotta be with myself and with my You might say your demons, but it's not necessarily your demons. It's just the parts of you that have been in the shadow of the

parts of you that have been out of awareness. And you set aside the judgment of how long it should last that I need to feel something, then the suffering stuff because the suffering is like it should be different and it's this. But if you're just like it is exactly what it needs to be. I'm I'm seeking to feel and experience. Then ironically, sort of paradoxically more than ironically paradoxically, it freaking changes and they're instantly catapulted into

some other place. But sometimes, like what you what you need to feel, is going to require you to deal with some things that make some changes. So that's the reason why we don't really connect because in some ways we don't want to know what actually needs to happen.

Let's say, on the deep soul level, we know that we have some unfinished business with a family member, or we have to reconnect with someone, or we have to leave a relationship, or we have to quit a job or something, and then we feel so attached and we just on some level we know it, but we don't really want to face and deal with that, so we sort of skirt around it and we're doing these Actually I gotta connect and feel and I gotta be with what is and like and you already know, so the

thing is now you need to actually take action and change it. And so sometimes the suffering is about we know and we're not dealing with it, We're not doing anything about it. Sometimes the suffering is like we just don't even know. We're completely disconnected. So there's a different

it depends different suffering, different different flavors of suffering. I wish I could kind of put the awareness back sometimes because the awareness of it, like you're saying, once you become aware of something and you're in that space and you don't take action on something, then basically you're just kind of I mean in my experience, you're kind of like binding that energy up, right, So you just kind

of stuck. So when when we feel stuck in our lives, but is that basically bound energy that needs to be moved and we were either aware of it or not aware of it and not taking If we're aware of but we're not taking action, is the action like the the thing that I love that you're bringing this up because because interestingly, feeling stuck and feeling that in between, like you can't move forward and you can't go back, and you're just in this like heavy dense place, it

has a very certain quality of energy in the body and it will feel like a density and it is energy that's compressed. And so that when we feel stuck in our emotions and in our mind, we have a correlating place always in the physical body that is linked into that stuck feeling. So it might be around your throat, it might be around your upper chest, it could be

in your gut. A lot of hands that happens around the solar plexus area because that's the that's this energetic center that ties more into your sense of will and your and your sort of pride and you're wanting to create and be someone in the world. That's this like kind of pushing through part of us, which is right in that like the low pointy bone at the bottom of your rib cage. You know, that is an area where a lot of people feel that stuck energy. Sometimes

it could be in your pelvis. But what happens with stuck nous is you know it's you at that point, Like there's a conscious awareness when we feel stuck that I'm actually contributing to this because I'm responsible in some way for the choices I'm making, but I can't choose something else because I don't know what to where to go next. But at the same time, I'm aware I'm not going back to where I was. So that's where stuckness like links us into this place of frustration and

and a pressure and a heaviness. So what you can do when you're feeling that first, that's different than disconnected where because a lot of times people think when when they're just totally disconnected from a part of their body that it's stuck. They're like, oh, it feels so blocked or stuck. Usually that's disconnection. You're not even you're not even connected to or aware of that part of you. It just feels like kind of blank or numb. So

that has to be addressed for list. And that can go back to what we were talking about earlier, where you can just put your hands there and you might even just need to acknowledge like, hey, I feel so disconnected for myself here, I feel numbed out. Take a breath, notice just some sensation comes in and it starts to kind of feel more alive and present. Because you can't change what you can't connect to. So again that's that paradox. You can't change something if you're not even aware of

that part of you. So once you're aware, sometimes underlying that can disconnect is well I'm now connected, but damn am I stuck? It's like oh my gosh. And so that um feeling of stuckness is needs to be actually amplified, not you can't if you just try to jump over it and be like, I feel so stuck, let me just feel something else. It doesn't have enough charge and energy to like let it open up, so you've got

to match it. So I'll have people, you know, put their hands on a part of the body, feel that energy there and like maybe twist or compress or squish their hands into that part of the body and like, oh, make the sound of being absolutely stuck and growl and moan and just say it even like I'm so stuck.

I'm so you might cough into the area. Coffeing is a lot of times associated with like that stuck area when you start to connect to it and then you just you go right into it, fully into it, intensify it, feel it for about three to five seconds, and then ease it up, and then just sit for a moment and feel, wow, I did that. I got myself so stuck that in this part of my body I held

all this energy and it was all compressed. And then you want to just take a moment and just acknowledge with compassion for a moment, there's a party that's a free like light being, like a childlike playful you that needs to be just acknowledged, like maybe needs to be paid attention to, maybe needs some kindness or gentleness, and just be like, oh, I'm so sorry that i I got so bound up in all of this and I'm so felt so mired, and you lost all this levity

and joy and playfulness, and I'm paying attention. So so that can. Always when there's a stuck experience, it's our mind and our ego and the loss of that child, that liveliness of the child and that lightness of the child.

So once you go into it and intensify and match it, then you back it off and then you find that part of you and just see visualized feel sense or send a like a message to that part of you, just holding your hands on whatever part of your body has associated with that stuck feeling, and that can, that can, and then you can just go into more of a peaceful like, Okay, it's okay, we're gonna sort this out. I'm gonna like make some decisions. Maybe I don't have

all the information yet, but it's coming. Le Me just be kinder to myself while I sort of get up the courage, because that's aultuly. Usually when we're stuck, we also need to hit a point where we just say enough. That's where you like, I'm stepping up, I'm dealing. We feel totally stuck, and then it's just like we're right at the edge of something. And then finally you just have to be like enough, enough enough, I'm I draw the line here no more. And this is where everybody

has to get to. And when we come back, Dr John Tomorrow is going to explain exactly how you can get yourself unstuck too. We were just talking about getting out of the state of being stuck. Before you move into a true transformative like change in your identity, you have to hit a point where you feel totally stuck, totally frustrated because you keep doing the same crap over

and over and over and over. Whether it's smoking cigarettes or it's like that you want to quit, or it's a relationship you keep coming back to or that's dysfunctional or whatever it is, and you have there's a part of you that no, and that's why you're stuck, that you keep doing it over and over. And once you build up that and go into it, and amplify it and intensify it. For a moment you feel how stuck

you are, you acknowledge it. Then you find that child part of you that's just like, Hau'm sorry, ignored you. I'm not going to keep doing this to you. Then you just you can get the courage and the energy up to be like, Okay, now I'm taking action, I'm dealing with this, un confronting this. So it takes journeying

into those places that have been harder to connect with. Well, so ultimately, when we start working with this energy and we start to free up these pieces of us, hear you talk about flow, the flow state, like, so what is that and how do we know when we're in it? Flow is that experience of an effortless ease where it feels like almost a liquid plasma like state where like you and the world around you become one merged experience.

And that's what athletes call the zone performers. You know, know, when you're just channeling, everything's coming through and there's no resistance, there's no assessing that part of the mind that's that's assessing, like, am I doing it right? Am I? Okay? You know like that cognitive part of the mind just in the background, and you're just in the moment in the experience, and you feel energized, and you feel light and buoyant and

like things are just working. There's a synchronistic experience where everything is just in sync. You and the universe are are really one. What it takes to access that flow, I mean, there's there's research on it by Chasin Mahai was the original scientist who did all this research on

flow states um. But it usually takes some kind of challenge where you're stretched and you're pushed in some way, but your skills allow you to step up to that challenge, and you have to like get kind of out of yourself and go beyond this like analytical part of the mind and jump up to this higher level of your being that then moves into this state of where all your skills and your practice and everything come together and suddenly you're not really there in control. It's it's like

your body just knows you're being just knows. So that's anyone who has visited that state even briefly knows that there's just something that feels like this is me, but something greater happening here. I'm not I'm not having to force this, but how do we get into that on

a regular basis, and how do we find more flow? One, we do have to find these places that are stuck and bound up and locked up and like acknowledge them, which liberates some of the energy, but even more for a lot of people helpful it just start out is like recognizing that I actually exist. And you and I talked about this when we work. I exist outside of

my physical body. I don't. I'm not limited by the form of my physical body because because the truth is not only can you measure the electromagnetic field of the body at least three to six feet off the body, and some people have apparently measured it like fifteen or more feet off the but like really far off the body, there's response happening, and there's some energetic qualities that that

are your field, your your whole energy field. And by recognizing that we are not trapped in this physical body, but we're infinite beings that have no real like it's called nonlocality. We don't exist in the space. You can't slice the brain open and find like where is LeAnn, Like she's not going to be inside the brain like, you'll see chemical reactions, you'll see neurons firing, and you'll see all these things going on, but you're not going

to find where your consciousness is. That's something that transcends this temporary physical existence. So that ability to connect to that energy field is where flow really starts because there's no inhibition, there's nothing physical to stop us there. It's just completely light and energy. It's the form of us that's like pre physicality, and the I see the physical body as a like more of a shadow of that.

There's something called psymatics. I don't know if you're familiar, but it's a study of how sound waves organized matter into shapes and form. And so you can put a a bunch of sand on a metal plate and then run different frequencies through it with a tone generator, and you can make all these different shapes that are very complex and beautiful shapes. That's happening in our bodies, in ourselves. So when we go where is that frequency coming from,

it's coming from outside. It's not coming from the sand itself. It's the frequency of energy that's affecting those little particles that then puts them in a certain order. So for us. That frequency is coming from really outside the body. So we exist out here in the space around us, and that is where meditation, That is where even viewing sometimes

yourself from outside your body. For some people, it can be like going up above where they kind of imagine like going out through the top of your head and looking down and seeing you from all sides and all

around you. It might be like zooming out from eithern further outside the building you're sitting and seeing if you can feel sense or see that you exist in a larger space outside, like wow, I'm looking down at my house and I see the other houses around, and well, I can see the whole city, and you can kind of zoom yourself out even further. For some people it's really helpful. They go out and they feel like, wow, it's like spacious and free, and I exist out here

in this space, exist as energy and consciousness. And then when you come back to the body, you have more sense of freedom and flow. And now instead of just going right into this trapped, dense feeling, you can have a lighter, freer, more vibratory feel because you're not restricted or contained in this in this body. And the truth is, the body is more of it's constantly replacing the cells.

I mean, we have like something around sixty to seventy five or something or a hundred trillion cells in the body, and they're all being constantly replaced. And so there's some organizing, organizing energy and frequency that's that's keeping that happening. And it's not in our body, it's it's around and beyond us, and that is where flow can can really be tapped into.

And then when you have both, when you can expand out and feel connected to that subtle energy and that subtle body and that non physicality, and then you can kind of zoom yourself back in and feel that I'm also I have a physical body and it has density to it, and there's vibration and energy there, and I can sort of sink my way in and feel within as well. You start to bridge this. What I see

is like a touch screen interface of the universe. I mean, if you think about like a touch tablet or iPhone or something, you touch the screen and it gives you access to the cloud. I mean that's really what the body is like. It's the ultimate touch screen, and so we're we're kind of like interacting with the body and its vibrations and making the sounds and tones and feeling and then actually recognize you that I exist out further from my body and then put bringing our hands back

to our body and touching and exist. I exist within and I'm sinking in and then I'm kind of building this bridge of awareness that I'm I'm both in here and I'm out there, and I'm neither as well, and it becomes very interesting. So like once again the concept of knowing that I've exist outside my body and then

stay connected to that concept through everyday life. It's challenging for a lot of people that, like I said, that we're energy and that we're more energy than we are a matter, like the mind sometimes can't wrap itself around

all of that. So I've been working, whether I know, the past several days of like really kind of going back to that idea of oh, yeah, I'm not just this body and just that alone, Like I do feel more spaciousness just bringing my awareness, I guess, to that concept and allowing myself to feel outside of me, because it can it can feel very dense, we can feel very alone, just like this is all there is, is just this human body. When we start to learn about

these things. For me, at least my mind goes it starts to get very frustrating because I'm like, I want to stay connected. I want to stay connected to that that energy and that flow state. But the density can get sometimes so overwhelming. Yeah, and that density is is that's where when we feel so dense and heavy, that's where we do need to kind of do this acknowledgement first.

Usually we just put touch that area very gently, feel the kind of heaviness and disconnection sometimes and just acknowledge and make maybe make a sound, see if you can kind of match a little vibration of energy as you're touching that part of your body where you feel that denseness. Maybe it's your heart, maybe it's your chest, in your

head or your gut or wherever it is. And then you can imagine from outside your body you're streaming like a tornado or a gentle like swirling vortex of energy down through your fingertips from out off of your body and then kind of brewing its way like a little wormhole through into the interior of your body, and then imagine it kind of going back either out the back of your body or back out the front of your body and starting to realize that like what appears to

be dense and solid is actually just a pattern of energy. But we may need to bring a kind of a resource of free flowing energy to that place so that it can Remember it's almost like a beaver dam is like built, and someone wants to like poor, like to be mean to the beaver's but like they want to wash it, like they want to like remove the damn. Like you can go out and like disassemble its stick by stick, or you could go up the river and increase the flow and it would just wash everything out

like down river. So in a way, sometimes the way you unravel that dense heaviness is you go to a source of energy that feels freer and lighter and more available, and then you amplify it and then it can like flow through and suddenly you have a different perspective that allows you to gain some awareness, because when energy is

flowing more freely, your awareness changes as well. So that's where like coming off your body sometimes or feeling is your existence out in the field energy feeled around you, and then bringing your hands to your body and then imagining sending that energy through and then if you hit the density, they're just like, ah, that's the place where I'm disconnected. Let me acknowledge it for a second, and then let me make a sound that releases it, and then go back out off my body come back in.

Sometimes that's really the easiest path for people. In your case, that would be an easier path because you do have a very big energy field that's way out here, and so like the challenge sometimes is then like bridging it so you're not just way out here or you know, out in the energy field of the universe, or you're inside your body and this collapsed a little like tense, dense place, and the either or nature of that is

where a lot of suffering can happen. So we want to build a bridge that lets us feel, oh wow, I can feel the energy within my body. I can feel the energy around my body. It's all one. And the truth is like I am the experience and expression of the universe itself, like merging through this kind of interface of my body. I'm not inside it yet I'm also inside of it. It's another paradox. Once you get towards these deeper truths, you realize that you just get

to these like paradoxes. You're both in your body and you're not, you're out of your body and you're not. You're both in neither to experience. That takes exploring, and it takes practice, and oftentimes it takes a guide or somebody to work with you. They can help help you discover some of these things that are a little more

esoteric at first. So I know a lot of people won't have the chance to work with you, But is there a place where they can go find out more information on energy or there are more resources that people

can kind of look into what we've been talking about. Yeah, I I created something like a free you know process is still on my website called the seven Day Challenge, So that's the Fight or Flight to Flow Challenge, So people can just go get a whole free course there and I'll guide you through some processes over a seven day period. So that's one like easy thing. On the back end of that, there's a couple of courses that I, you know, just like simple, pretty short courses that I

created and it's just John Emerald dot com. So that's one way I'm in the process right now of creating a new whole kind of ecosystem where I'm gonna be teaching and taking people through practice. I'll be doing live things, and I'll be teaching and helping people, whether you're a practitioner or whether you're a human wanting to be more whole and alive and energized and deal with some of

the challenges you're going through. So there will be a whole another level coming in the in the coming months. Very cool. I'm excited for that. I always love to close with what I know best, which is music, and I always find it so interesting to hear what's in people's playlist, and its funny. The other day you I actually text you, I'm like, can you please send me the playlist you played? It was so relaxing and so healing. So um, yeah, I would love for you to share

maybe like five songs that I mean. It's kind of funny that you asked, because a lot of the music that I listened to a lot is that like mantra and healing music. And yet when I was thinking about songs and what came to me was like Van Morrison crazy love is like so good. My wife and I've been together twenty eight years now, we've been married almost twenty five years and that was our wedding song, which is played out pretty pretty appropriately. So that was so

love Van More Everything by Van Morrison. I mean Bob Marley. I mean, I grew up listenings so much like Lively up yourself so good. I put Bob Marley on almost like at least twice or two to three times a week in our house when I'm making dinner because he's so happy and there's step and yeah, you know another wise, I was thinking, like it's always got me for somebody, that Marshall Tucker band. Can't you see what that woman's

been doing to me? That's a good one. Another apropos one for for my my relationship that's been like passionate and amazing but intense, like any passionate relationship is. I'm a classic rock fan, so like led Zeppelin, like stair Away to Heaven, I mean, come on so good. But I also I mean I love like rap and hip hop and stuff so like I mean, I love a lot of the new stuff coming out in hip hop, but I mean all the way back to like run DMCs,

old school Run DMC is so good. My husband is a huge hip hop fan, and yeah, I've learned he's learned about country music for me, old school country music, and I've learned about old school hip hop from him. So yeah, and then I mean country. You know, my

wife was from New York. You know, she got me into country music, and oh really yeah, you know, interestingly, kind of ironically because I grew up in a much more rural area of California and she grew up on Long Island, New York, and she was like fully into cut to music. Krishna Doss is like my you know, I mean that is Krishna Doss is probably my favorite.

I have to say, um that the other day there was something that you played on the soundtrack and on the set whatever it's called things called a soundtrack, but on your playlist that he just had something about his voice like is so rich and moves me so deeply. So yeah, totally with you on Christian DAWs long, Um, well, thank you, thank you so much for being here and

and sharing your wisdom with our listeners. And I appreciate my experience because it's definitely, like like I said, I think I felt I felt like that the trees were breathing. I felt like there was like life became this intense

experience for a few hours. It became something where I it was very it was very joyful and connected and that um yeah, I I really do appreciate being able to have that experience when we're removing those filters and so opened up to the true nature of this like glorious, amazing, abundant, like incredible life that we are blessed to have. It's

like kind of psychedelically awesome. So let's do more and we can make that more of like the baseline where that just is like the starting point of every day and then you just go even more expanded from there. That would be amazing. Yeah, thank you, Thank you so much. Thank you, And that wraps up this episode and our first season of Holy Human. Thank you all so much for joining me on this journey. I have had a

blast creating this for you. From where we started to where we are now in twelve episodes is like night and day. So thank you so much for being on this ride with me. I look forward to discovering so much more. And as always, I so appreciate hearing from you, so please leaving your feedback wherever you're listening, and don't forget to Share this podcast with anyone in your life you feel could benefit from listening. I love you, guys.

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