Hello, I'm John Allre. Before you listen to this episode, a couple of things. These are podcasts from the first season of Who Killed Teresa. They haven't been heard in over four years. They're raw. It took me a while to develop a style. A lot of people like them that way, unvarnished. Others commented that it was amateurish. Nonetheless, here they are. I'm edited. I haven't gone back and listened to them, I haven't cleaned them up. Thanks for listening. And once again, life isn't fair.
Justice is blind and dysfunctional, and some cops aren't smart and dedicated like on television. This is Who Killed Teresa. Welcome to the podcast This Is Who Killed Teresa? And I'm your host, John Alor. This is a podcast about the unsolved murder from nineteen seventy eight of my sister Teresa Lare,
but also two other unsolved murders from that era. The three cases that happened within a nineteen month period in the eastern townships of Quebec around the city of Sherbrooke, Quebec, and the other cases are the unsolved murders of Louis Camlan and the death of Manon Dubay and subsequently I've done an investigation to a number of unsolved murders in Quebec that spanned from nineteen seventy five to nineteen eighty one
and geographically spent that Sherbrooke area all the way of far West as Montreal. And those related cases are the murders of Sharon cry Or, Lee Choquette, Luise Cameron, Jacqueline Whole, Chantelle Tromblaine, Joan and Doctrine. Helen monasked Catherine Hawks, Dennis Basis name manolds Bay, he's on Blade, Teresa or Nicole Goodreau, Tammy Leaky, and Joan Lena, And I was a listener friend who was commenting that they thought I was getting a little model and sentimental
lately, and it's it's really not the case. It's more a matter of not having anything related to these cases related to go back to report on. So I kind of went astray. But today I think what would be beneficial is if we did, like a clean up episode, maybe we touch back on some matters and give you an update on certain cases in issues related to those cases. So that will be the substance of today's podcast. It's a whole lot of me talking Oh boy, hazy day with lazy Way. I
want to start with the offender. We've we've talked a lot here about Luke Gregoire. In fact, there's if you go back and look, there's an entire episode devoted to the offender, Luke Gregoire. And as I say, we could spend a whole episode on Luke, but I'll give you the short version here. So Luke was arrested in the early nineties in Calgary, Alberta.
He murdered a young woman there and was incarcerated, But prior to that he had a long criminal history in Quebec, particularly in the town of Sherbrook. In nineteen eighty one, he was arrested for the attempted sexual assault and attempted murder of a young woman in a parking garage not far from where Luis Camera lived and worked in eighty one. And so Greg Gregoire has always been a suspect around these matters because of where he's he's traveled. In seventy six
he joined the Quebec or the Canadian Airborne Regiment. By some accounts that I've heard, he was forced to do that. He was given an ultimatum, you either joined the military or you go to jail. So in the time since we've last discussed greg war, there's there's a long criminal history there that started in his adolescence that although there's no there's no records of it, it's through family and friends. It is the oral history of Luke has has been
been delivered. And what is interesting about him is Okay, so he joins the Airborne, as I said, in seventy six, and he's kicked out I believe in the late seventies. I think it is seventy nine, but he's he's active in the area between seventy six and eighty one, which, as I said on the opening, is the corridor for these unsolved murders and the truck of it is trying to really locate. So where was Gregoire in
the time that he enlisted in the Airborne? Okay, you got a factor in he enlists, he's going to do his training in Edmonton, Alberta. So that's the connection with the western provinces of Canada, and the Airborne was stationed in Montreal, Quebec in seventy six. They did some security work with the nineteen seventy six Olympics, so that gives some justification to be there. Also justification to be up the river in Petawuahwa, which is just a little
it's an army base or a military base north of Ottawa. Of course, his family lives in Sherbrook. He grew up in a house across the river from where Louise Cameron kept an apartment you just crossed. On one end of the bridge is the home where he grew up in. On the other end of the bridge is this small convenience store where him around was last scene,
So it's justification to be there. And then further the airborne Canadian Airborne would have spent some time in Baden Baden, Germany, So at what point, if any, was he there. So the trick of it was to try to get some information on his whereabouts in this period. And so the way I started was I went to the Calgary police and I went to the Quebec police because of what I said at the beginning of this, they would both
have reasons to have a long police file on Greg Wire. Initially I talked with the cold case unit in Calgary, which consists of one person, and I think she said she manages sixty cases, and she seemed in our conversation to be relatively new to the appointment. And as she said, she said, my hands are tied. I can't show you anything which is suspect. Nevertheless, what are you going to do? They have all the power. So I did. I did put in a FOIA request with Calgary's investigative unit,
and what they came back with was was disappointing. You can only access a file after somebody has been deceased for twenty five years, so with Greg War, we got to wait another twenty three years before we wouldn't know anything.
So this this led back to the Sartet de Quebec. In this time I had had put in sort of parallel requests to both agencies, and it took it took forever for us to connect, partly because of conflicting vacations, also because they had to, as they said, allegedly put in a request with the Canadian Armed Forces to get some kind of an idea on a timeline
of Greg War's whereabouts. And uh, and I think we talked about this before, where we kind of you kind of say, wait a minute, you investigated this guy so thoroughly before you you had you had him take a polygraph. You you you set up a plant in his cell to obtain information, and you never went to the trouble of getting a timeline. And I
do I do you know? I recall a conversation years ago with the then detective who was working the the Gregoire line quite aggressively named Eric Littour, and I seemed to recall a conversation where he said he wasn't there, which is meant he wasn't in Sherbrooke, Quebec November third, nineteen seventy eight, the date that Teresa went missing, and um, possibly died that day. We assumed she died that day. UM, but I don't know what that.
First of all, I don't even recall if that conversation was even occurred, or if I'm remembering it wrong, or maybe I got some information wrong. I don't have it documented, unfortunately, but even if it were true, what that was based on. But my contact with Quebec finally came back and he said, and he was very very vague about all of this, And I'm not about to drop some major piece of case evidence. What I'm about
to drop is tremendously disappointing and all too typical with these matters. Nevertheless, let's let it drop. He said, So what he said contradicted what Latour What I remember Latour saying. He said, the Canadian military said Gregoire was in the area or could have been in the area in nineteen in nineteen seventy eight eight, And when I pressed him on other aspects of the timeline, he was very vague and unresponsive to that. I drew his attention that we
weren't only talking about a pin point November third, nineteen seventy eight. What we were talking about, we're whereabouts between seventy five and eighty one, because
of course there are fifteen other unsolved cases that we're dealing with. He seemed to shrug that off, and when pressed what he deflected When when pressed for some information on a timeline he events, he eventually fell back into a defensive position of saying, listen, he passed a polograph, and the polographic evidence is full proof, and for this reason we believe that Luke Gregoire is not
responsible for the murder of Teresa Lord, never mind the other cases. Because I said, when you administered the polygraph, you were specific to Teresa. Correct, you were not talking about other murders, to which he said, correct, we were only addressing the Teresa Laar case. I said, well,
we still have fourteen other unanswered questions. This is interesting because a couple of months ago, when I initially brought this subject up about a timeline the police contact with the Serte de Quebec retreated into a defensive position only with another piece of circumstantial, circumstantial evidence. At that time, when pressed, they deflected to the position of saying we have the best, we have the best behavioral profilers on this, and they believe that that Greg war is not the
guy. And in both cases, you know, we're talking about police techniques that are highly suspect. Both I've mentioned before that even the best profile is you know, the you'd be better off with luck. They're about as um full proof as luck. And the same is true for polygraphs. They're they're
they're about as defensible as as luck. Read to you. The William William Ayakono was a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Minnesota, speaking talking about polographs, and he says, although the c QT control question test maybe, and that's what a polograph is. May be useful as an investigative aid and tool to induce confessions, it does not pass muster as a scientifically
credible test. QT theory is based on naive implausible as os, indicating a that it is biased against innocent individuals and b that it can be beaten simply
by artificially augmenting responses to control questions. Although it is not possible to adequately assess the error rate of the CQT, both of these conclusions are supported by published research findings in the best social science journals, and in particular, there's an awful lot of evidence and research you can do that indicating that false positives do occur with polygraphs, in particularly when you're dealing with cases of sexual assault,
which of course that's what we would be dealing with with Luke Gregoire. So to have so much confidence in a behavioral profile and polygraph evidence is suspect and should not be trusted. And I think we should continue to to consider mister Gregoire is a very very plausible um plausible offender in all of these cases,
not least of which is Teresa Lore. Also, every true crime listener out there will cite the fact that Gary Ridgeway Green River Killer, passed a polygraph in the eighties and then went on to commit some of his most us crimes. There's one final element that I'll drop in here that I don't think I've discussed before, of why I think there's there should be renewed um interest
in Luke Greg war Um. Back back when these these cases originally appeared in the National Post under who Killed Teresa and we were talking about three the original three unsolved Teresa Amenjonza Bay and Louise Can. Obviously, from that came forward an awful lot of information and I've documented, i think on the second podcast, sort of history of sexual violence and assaults in the Eastern Townships in the
years leading up to Teresa's murder. A lot of that came from research, but some of it also came from people just coming forward and emailing me. Now. One one woman who came forward cited the case an incident that happened to her in nineteen seventy six in Montreal, and at that time she was working at CFB Montreal, the Canadian Forces base in Montreal, and the base
is was and I believe still is down by the port in Montreal. It's sort of just just southeast of the stet Quebec had quarters and a little bit east of where the Molson Brewery is, if you can kind of envision that,
I believe that's where CFB Montreal is. So she's working there. In nineteen seventy six, she's hitchhiking one night with a friend and two people pick her up, and they're described The driver is described as an older man and his person riding in the passenger seat with him is described as a younger man with a military haircut, and the women are in the back of the seat, at the back seat of the car. And at one point I think
they pull into the rail yards and the attack begins. They start attacking them, hitting them about the head. One of the woman's extinguishes her cigarette in the guy's face toward him off. They jump out of the car, they run, they hide in the bushes, and it ends. And this incident was brought to my attention and documented, but I omitted it from a lot of the documentation on the website because at that time, I mean, it was interesting, but at that time, in terms of time and place,
it appeared like an outliar. They were talking about seventy six, which was worlds away from nineteen seventy eight, or it felt like it, and they were talking about Montreal, and at that time I wasn't looking at cases in Montreal. What is interesting about it in retrospect now that case is they the woman worked at CFB Montreal. As we've cited, this is the base where the airborne was stationed in seventy six in Montreal during the time of the Montreal
Olympics. So if greg War was in Montreal at that time, he would have been there. They describe a younger man who has a military haircut. Again, a young Gregoire would have been had a military haircut at that time. And so so there's this associations both with the base and both you know, with with Greg War's lifestyle at that time, which is tantalizing. It's
it's it's nothing definite, it's uh, it's a very secondary matter. But nevertheless you kind of go, um, you know, what if we knew more, What if we had a complete access to these files, both the Calgary files and Montreal files and whatever information the the Canadian military has on on Luke Greguar. What might we be able to discover that that is currently not
known in the matter of greg War's affairs. You know, we have some information of his criminal activities, and as I said, it's it's coming out now that this guy was a bad penny man. He was. It's well
known that his history of of violent activities started very very young. There's there's some indication that he was given an ultimatum to basically leave society and let the military either straighten him out or eventually deal with him, so the society didn't have to to to clean up his mess in some in some cases and who knows was he was he responsible for any or some of these crimes At this point, we um, it's it's indefinitive. We don't know about to admit.
I want to, I want to switch gears now. I want to. I want to give a bit of an update on another case that we briefly talked about. But um, there's not a lot of information known about it, but something, something has come forward in the case of Lee a Shock Cats. Now, if you recall, Chaquette is one of the fifteen unsolved. She disappeared about three weeks after Sharon Pryor's body was found. Sharon was found April first, seventy five. Chaquette disappears at the end of April
nineteen seventy five. She lives in the east end of Montreal, so she's not far from that cluster of cases where Denis Basie lived and Lesson Blay lived. And in the case of Charquette, Chaquette is found off the island in Laval. In fact, she's found right around one of the areas where they're constructing the Laval Auto Route, the main highway that goes through the island of Laval. She's strangled and beaten. She strangled presumably with a necktie, and
her clothes are or taken off the body. They're found in a pile about two hundred feet I believe from from the body um and there's no there's no immediate evidence of a rape, meaning there's no sperm in the vagina clinically but um. Again, with a lot of these cases, a violent I would I would still call it a sex crime. Now we've chal Kenny is not
a is not a case that I found through original research. It came to me through the the documentary filmmaker Stepan paran so in in that sense, it's it's always been Steph's case, and I've kind of tagged along with it and
shared the information. He brought it to my attention, and Steph announced on his website Seth Fam last week that there had been that he's working in collaboration with the Love Police and there that have there have been some developments developments in the Chakat case, possibly related to some of the other cases in the vicinity where she lived. So I can only assume that means Besyne and Blae that
he wouldn't say specifically what those developments were, but it's refreshing. It's refreshing to see that somebody on the ground is approaching matters with continued vigor, and we'll hope to get more updates on that. Steph posted a photo from the crime scene that I had never seen before. I will share that on my
website in associated materials with this podcast. And what's so very very important if there is if we are to assume a link with some of these cases, let's let's keep in mind this choquette disappears from the east end of Montreal but found in Laval, so a Laval case in Laval Police's jurisdiction. Lesonblais is attacked and murdered in her backyard in the East End of Montreal. So a
case of the Montreal Police, the SPPVM. And then finally uh Denise Basiay Basia again lives in the East End, but her body is found near Saint Jean Richelieu, so a Sertiti Quebec case. Again three agencies. You hope to God that they are working as a team in conjunction with each other and sharing information. But even in an initial pass you can you can see the disparity in the level of service. You go to see the Quebec's cold case website. I, um, I don't believe Basia is up yet on on
the website. Um. Actually, you know what, Let's just confirm that right now. Let's have a let's have a peak and see if things have changed. Nope, no Basia. UM. I think the last time I talked, I was given some some horseshit about they needed a family consent. Um. I know her brother, there's nothing he'd want more. I don't know why. I don't know why Basia's not up there. Um. And
then and Laval doesn't even have a cold case site. And then, of course, as we've documented, the Montreal Police just started their cold case website and and notoriously um started it with the moniker that said we have no cold cases. They've changed that to say site under construction. God bless them. But having gone to the Serte to Quebec sight just now, holy crap, you know who is on here now? Louise Camera is finally on this site.
There it is Louise Camera, twenty years old at the time, was last seen on March twenty third, seventy seven, at eight pm at the Provisoire convenience store located at seventeen eighty King Street West in Sherbrooke. According to the business owner, she browsed through a few magazines and then left for the bus stop. The stop is situated on her usual way home. On March twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven, the victim's body was discovered along McDonnell Road,
near Guierre Road now Duval Road in Austin Magog. If you have information that could help solve this crime, contact the Saint Crau the infieldo Mession Criminel of Serte de Quebec at one eight hundred six five nine four two six four Of all the families, I would call the Camera family the most resistant two um wanting to get involved in these matters, and yet there's Camera's information on
their website. So if if Camera's family is the most resistant, and yet they there's Camera's information, there should be no more reason why the other cases aren't on these cool case sites. Just like a run. So back to Choquette. Hopefully we'll get some updates and developments from step Parent and and since we're talking a little bit about steph Um, I will add he had a he had an event yesterday afternoon. M he I think he screened ten minutes
of the film set Fam. You'll recall m seth Fam documents seven of the fifteen cases I'm talking about, one of which is Teresa's and Louise's. Actually Louise Camerona is in there. And and he had he had a screening of some of the footage and sort of a meeting I think a Q and a etc. In h I think that was Insane Nustash, just north of Laval. Interesting well, victims were meeting in Sane Nustash to talk about cold cases. The Hell's Angels were meeting in Saint Hyacinth to the south east at some
market or or something. I don't know. There's there's a dustop about the Quebec Hell's Angels. UM amassing strength again in Quebec, as you as you might well imagine. So UM I have not heard back UM any additional information on what came of the screening of set FAM's Set Fam. Hopefully we'll hear him hear more of that last I heard. I do think the he's sticking with the schedule of a release date of November. This November twenty seventeen.
In other news, UM, there were there were parole hearings this summer for two well known offenders, at least well known for Quebec. The first was the parole hearing of Jean Paul Bainbridge. Now we've not I don't we've only touched on the case of Isabelle Bulldoc. But in nineteen ninety six Bulldoc was abducted, sequestered, raped and murdered by by three guys. Jean Paul Bainbridge was was the main offender, but assisted by Marcel Blanchette and Guy la Bontee.
And this occurred in in Sherbrooke. For many of us, it's it's kind of it's kind of seen as a harbinger of of further Quebec of violence. Of course, five years after that you have the you have the assault of rape and murder of Pierre Boevenu's daughter usually a Bivenu. But and it's interesting Bainbridge was was a lifer without the possibility of paroles for twenty years. The twenty years are up, and so he he had his parole hearing where
he requested day passes and he was refused. Isabel's father, Marcel Bulldock, who I know somewhat, I know him enough to talk to, showed up and at the hearing Marcel indicated that he thought one day that Bainbridge would He said, it's inevitable that he will be eventually granted parole, but he felt for at the moment that being released on day passes was unjustified, that he
had not fully rehabilitated to the point where the community should feel secure. Now contrast this with the other parole hearing that that occurred for the offender in the usualie Boa. The new case, Hugo Bernier had a hearing again another in this case, no possibility of parole for fifteen years um and was denied and Pierre's response in the press was Pierre's quite vocal, some of you know,
he's he's. Pierre was one of the original sort of new wave of victim victim's advocates, along with Marcel. Actually I think originally that there were four of them known as the forefathers Frere. It was more it was Marcel Bulduc, Pierre Bouvenus, um Julie seprans Father, and I think the fourth was Johnny good Bow. Natalie Goodbow's disappeared from Quebec city in the nineties, I believe, and has never been found anyway. The four of them were sort
of on the in the vanguard of victim's advocacy. Pierre famously went on to found with some of the others have Pad Association of Families have Murdered and Missing
Children. And then subsequently it's Stephen Harper, then Prime Minister of Canada, made Pierra senator Senator Waveno, and I would characterize him is a conservative in terms of his his beliefs on incarceration, etc. And his belief is that the offender in that case Hugo Bernier will will never will never be fully rehabilitated, although that there might be elements there that are extremely personal, I wouldn't
want to judge or characterize his thinking in that anyway. So those those both have gone on um this summer in the province of Quebec, and we will be hearing more from these offenders as they continue to request the Canadian or the
Quebec Parole Board for increased access into the community. Other news, I think in an early podcast we talked about the Murder Accountability Project and you can find that website at Murder murdered Data dot org where a number of researchers, including Mike Arnfield, have created this this database um of all the information contained in the Part one and Part two crime reports for various jurisdictions, and with that you can go on and research homicide clearance rates for the last I think fifty
years, and certainly they even they've even made it easier now where you can look at clusters by county and by urban police force and kind of be your own be your own detective with that information. They're asking for assistance from not only law enforcement, but for the from the public where you where you see these these obvious clusters of cases of unsolved cases, to to try and in assist in clearing them. The goal is to clear cases well related to that.
Ever since then, I myself in a colleague, well mostly the colleague not me, have been working on something similar for Canada and I'd call it UH murder accountability to light because as we've discussed, the information you can you can is much more limited that you can get in Canada for these types of things. But nevertheless, we did get a data set from stats can um which includes the the solved and unsolved rates UM for various Uh it's not by
jurisdiction, it's it's by currently. What we have up on the on the in tableau in U in a public kind of beta test mode is some municipalities in Canada and we're asking people to to to go there and and play around with the data and tell us what you think. What we've posted is from
nineteen ninety two through two thy fifteen. And what's significant about that is I think we've talked about the Policy Center for Victims Issues with Justice Canada about it over a decade ago did quite an extensive report on homicide in Canada from believe nineteen seventy five to two thousand and five. So we've now gone and extended
it to have an addition, an extra ten years of data. We've filled in the five to fifteen portion of that and and our goal is to add we have the data back to seventy five as well, we're going to add that, and we're also going to add provincial and territorial information as well. Um shouldn't be no surprise that in the first glance you'll see that when we're talking ninety two to twenty and fifteen, the underperformers are. And you can
you can glean from the said the municipality who the police agency is. So if if the data says Montreal, that's the SPV, that's the Montreal Urban Force and they have one of the lowest homicide clarence rates for that period, I think the lowest of all the urban areas we looked at, as as well as Vancouver is pretty low as well. And then you'll see some Quebec is very efficient. The City of Quebec, I mean that they they're notorious
for having very very few murders. The exception of course recently of the the mosque shootings that occurred, which because there's such a low murder ring in Quebec City that for obvious the reasons shocked that community. The u ULR on that is, I couldn't verbally say it, but I will. I'll put the link up on the Teresa Lore website. And again, as I say, we'd like you to go and play with it. Tell us what you think,
which you think works, what doesn't work. As I say, you know, it's not as robust as the Murder Accountability Project stuff, but I think on one level, it's extremely helpful to just visualize the data geographically. It's that's a whole lot more interesting than just looking at raw numbers. So it's helpful there. And as I say, when we get the provincial and territorial information on that, that will tell an additional story that I think you'll
find very interesting. We're very we're very interested in the territorial data. We know that the number of incidents will of course be lower than some large urban populations, but I'm sure no less telling and I'm sure I'm guessing one of the stories it will tell is just how much how much homicide potentially potentially is going undocumented in in some of these communities. Give me about it, give me a mind me. I do want to end today's podcast with one final
update, and it's a subject I've I've been avoiding UM. A while ago. I had mentioned that I had applied for I applied for a job in Canada to become Cannon's federal ombitsment for victims of crime and well UM. About a month ago, the Canadian government flied me up to Ottawa to interview for that position. So I I went to Ottawa, I went to Parliament Hill, I met with I guess a team of senior policy analysts answered their questions.
It was about an hour long interview. And that's That's kind of all I'm really going to say about it at this point, UM, because the process is in play, it's not it's not finished yet, and it would be I don't think in anyone's interest for me to to comment on that or speculate um in um in any level of detail, except to say that I went there, I did it. I was sincere in uh in my actions about it, UM, my level of interest with it, and after that
process plays out, I'll have more to say with it. I do want to say one thing, um, because it's an aspect that weighs on the heavily um and the interview on Victimology with Joann Wemmer's touched on it um. But I want to I want to talk about a little a little more.
In her book on Victimology, A Canadian Perspective, when she's going through the history of victimology and in Canada, she cites the you know, the the early grassroots efforts, the creation of a pad by Pierre Boivlous, the creation of caveat by Priscilla d'a villiers, Toronto based advocate whom was advocating against gun violence in the in the wake of the murder of her daughter. Certainly the creation of rivcom host the biker wars in quebec Um something she says that is
interesting. I'll just read it from the book. This is from Victimology in Canada. The recruitment of victims rights leaders such as Priscilla da Villiers and Senator Pierre Hugh Boevenux into government is an excellent example of the the coopting of victims. The government usurps strong vocal leaders for victims rights once they are part of the government they lose their independence and their ability to critique government policy. So
I guess I would just say that it's something I'm aware of. It's it's sub thing that is in my is in the back of my mind and has been through this entire process of from from research and application to the interview in Ottawa to to now other considerations, and it's um it is a prime factor in my decision making process. This uh, this notion of co opting of the victim's voice. I don't think there's anything nefarious there or um um,
you know, malicious in or deliberate. I think it's it's that's why I'm kind of very, very weary of it. I think it's a natural tendency that happens, and that's why I think you need to be vigilant. If there's going to be an ambusman with a voice, a voice for victims,
then that it needs to be an objective voice. It needs to be able to stand apart from maybe some of the day to day goings on and the distractions that fill up any weekly calendar, particularly now in in the twenty four hour news cycle and the digital social media age, has always this has been who killed Teresa and I've been your host, John Allure. You can check us out on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, and of course SoundCloud. And if you like what you hear, please please give us a review on
iTunes. It helps to boost awareness and create interest in these in what I think are very very important important matters concerning victimology criminology. You can follow us on Twitter at Justice Guy or at Teresa A Lorem. I always love suggestions for shows and things. Actually, a lot of people contact me with a lot of stuff. A certain faction of you are interested in the whole, the whole biker element, in the history of that and how that may have
played out with these cases. I keep a sane level of distance from all that is because because I like living. But for those of you who are you know, interested in that, the potential biker involvement, It's not not that your questions and comments go unheard. I do hear them. There's there's others who are interested in in an Ontario influence to what degree did crime in the seventies kind of bleed over between the two provinces, And I certainly I
hear that as well. So a lot of you have, you know, theories and ideas, and all of them are are attended to and I do consider most most definitely. Um. You can also, as I say, you can go to the website teresare dot com th h E r E s A A L l O r E if you want to see sort of so the visual compliment to this episode, as I say, I'll post the crime scene photo of the chocatte case. It's it's mostly police officers. There's nothing
graphics. I worry about that, I have no anxiety. And also I'll post the link to our our tableau data project concerning Canadian homicide rates and more importally unsolved homicide. Right, so that's our program. I hope you've enjoyed this commercial free episode. This is Who Killed Teresa. Have yourself a great, great dayl