S4E16 - Miracle Science, Not Depressing Science

Listener just wanna throw a quick content warning out before this episode. There is a scene. With a character experiencing suicidal thoughts and tendencies. So if that is going to be something that is difficult for you to listen to, know that before this episode, skip this one. We'll see you next week. Hello and welcome to Who Are You? This is a Babylon five watch cast hosted by two former strangers.

And I'm Laura,

and we're gonna do some plot poker here. So let's get some cards ready.

so this is a new box, right?

This is a new box. This is uh, shattered Dreams. I had a pack of this that I found at my local, I don't even wanna say it's, it's, they do games, but they're not a local game store, really. I think it's, they got ma current magic sets. But they are more like a, like antique nerd store.

Nice.

Like I had, I.

our stuff is antiques.

I got several Babylon five action figures there. They have like classic trek Migo figures from the sixties and stuff. Tons of old school transformers, tons of like eighties W W F guys, it's all over. And I found that there. And I also found this 60 card. Cycore expansion

Oh my gosh.

deck, which is what I will be opening now,

Okay.

Because I have made plans to go see Walter Koenig in December.

Hmm. That's right. What else did you buy for that? Tell the listener.

I also bought a bester action figure, which should be arriving hopefully tomorrow. Well, it won't be tomorrow because of the holiday, but soon. Should be arriving soon. Oh there's a rule book in here.

Ooh.

It is 72 pages,

Wow.

so I don't think we'll be learning to play this game. But I opened this bad boy up and the first card is Aris that I've never seen before.

course it is.

So we've got that going at the very least.

So where is it that you're going to go see Walter?

Galaxy Con in Columbus, Ohio.

And that's his last scheduled appearance that we know about. Right?

It is his last scheduled appearance that is on any kind of schedule I could find. Oh, there it is. The man himself, bester.

Yay that needs signed.

So, yeah, the goal will be to take that down and get that card signed. I'm gonna put Bester in the arrivals pile here.

I got a different, I'm opening my shattered dreams and I got a different bester. This is a foiled scheme, but the picture on it is a Mr. Bester himself. He's been foiled a time or two. I think

Yeah, he's on

some foiling as well. I.

I got a telepathic scan with him on it being mean. Talia

Mm.

a ooh a uh, is this, I think this is next episode. Is this scene? I

Oh yeah. That face looks real familiar.

Yeah. From uh, last episode the uh, captain from Scrubs.

Oh yeah. Captain Kelso.

Mm-hmm. Oh, hey, this is also from next episode. This is Harlan Ellison.

Yes,

That's fun.

we caught that. At first, my husband was like, is that Nathan Lane? But we, we both knew that was not possible.

There's some good cards in here. I mean, from what I know of the game, which is nothing, there's some good cards from what I like to see here. I got ]earth.

So is Elite a Menari name or title? Because I've gotten a, a, an elite and it looks like Nero to me.

That is Elite is a title.

Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Shy, elite being like the highest. Okay.

Here's one from season five, which is just a obey with Bester on it. Very, they live.

I look forward to getting to see that scene. I'm doing one more pack.

the badge and the gloves. That's a fun card.

Mm, we've, we've already talked about that recently too.

Mm-hmm.

Ha. This is very funny. Okay. You go first.

I got baby Jeffrey Combs.

Oh. Yeah, I forgot about him. That was pretty early.

Yes, it was. What'd you get?

I got the handy dandy micro helper Gar Valdi uses to trick his way into the green and purple drowsy conflict. What a funny thing.

Oh, Talia Winters is in here.

Oh yeah. That's nice.

Kelsey, this is uh, of course uh, Chekhov's Telepath.

Uhhuh.

I'm gonna throw Talia in one of these piles as well.

I got some interesting cards. I'm not feeling like this is as much of a dud as my great war box was.

Ooh. And uh, proximal three.

Ooh. Relevant to our recent discussions.

Yeah. I got some, I got some bangers in this pack here. I'm gonna open up one pack real quick just to have that. Sweet, sweet. A S M R.

I gotta open up the card spreadsheet, which doesn't have quite the same audio profile.

All right, so how this works is we've opened a handful of packs of the old Babylon five collectible card game. We've been doing this for, this is our fourth box. Yeah. We did a, a deluxe starter set a great war.

To the shadows that,

and now a shattered dreams. And we open these packs and we sort cards into a handful of piles which represent different parts of a arc of an A plot or a b plot of an episode of Babylon five. So we have a. Character who is the focus? Sometimes this is someone on the station, sometimes this is an arrival to the station, a problem, a solution, and then a twist, which is just a little bit extra to do something with the cards. And so we have organized these shuffled and randomly pulled.

Yes you do.

cool. I, I drew an interesting plot here.

Okay.

It's a very this is a very concise one. This might be the most concise one I've drawn.

Okay.

So we, we start with Harriman Gray, who is the aforementioned baby, baby Jeffrey Combs

Uhhuh.

arriving on the station. What has brought him to the station is a batch of dust. Which is the drug that turns people into Telepaths.

right. Mm-hmm.

Now how he has been instructed by the sco. He's here without bester, without anyone else. When we saw him last, he was here as a SCO military liaison. He has since become a SS cop.

Hmm.

some, he's new to the psyop life. He's not as ingrained as psyop, as Bester or some of the other people we see hanging around. Bester,

A little more sympathetic, huh?

definitely a little bit more sympathetic. And so the uh, the solution that is provided to him for this dust he finds is the two part slow poison that Londo used on rfa.

Uhhuh.

claims to have used on rfa. And so he has something where he's all like, Hey, there's this thing in dust. When someone interacts with this other thing that Cycore gave me, it will, you know, they'll get sick, they'll come to MetaLab, we'll be able to find him out. Right? And he doesn't know that Bester has lied to him. And this is actually the other half of a poison, the first half of which was in the batch of dust.

Oh no.

And so he ends up killing like 30 people by

Ooh,

this thing. It is, it is a bad time. And this leads him to some personal growth. This card represents uh, Jaar after his encounter with dust and Kosh in his mind.

Yeah.

He's all like, maybe this is not for me, after all,

Yeah,

and abandons being a psych hop.

maybe he'll go rogue later. Maybe that'll be a plot

Pop up in season five maybe.

Uhhuh. Excellent.

All right. What's our B plot?

in the B plot we have a returning favorite very B plot character, which is Brother Theo.

Ooh.

And so Brother Theo and his monks, you know, they're, they're very conscientious, usually as a group, but religion always has an element where it might step on somebody's toes, whether you mean to or not, shall we say. And they're involved in a diplomatic blender, so they make a mistake. There's a conflict with another race on Babylon five. And in order to settle this conflict, it's getting very heated. You know, there's getting to be like violence, uh, suggested against the monks.

Okay.

Because, you know, everyone listens to the VLANs. We're at least a little bit scared of the VLANs maybe.

Terrified. Yeah.

So Kosh goes to where there's a conflict brewing outside the monks monastery and says some cryptic kosh stuff and calms everybody down.

Mm-hmm.

But the twist on the end of the episode is that the monks are actually running an underground resistance

Ooh.

beneath everything else, and they were very close to being exposed by the conflict. That happened in this episode.

Okay. This sounds like a good episode.

Yeah. There's a lot of drama.

This is a very dramatic episode, but we also get a brother. I love a brother Theo episode.

Mm-hmm. Bound to be some wise things said between Brother Theo and Kosh. Right.

for sure. I see a little bit of a, like crossover between the A plot and the B plot too, where. Maybe the underground reist, the underground activities are smuggling some of those telepaths out that are unlicensed. Maybe Harriman has like some interaction with Theo and you don't find out until the end that they were smuggling telepaths out and it like adds a layer of drama to the other scene that you didn't know was there on your first watch.

Yeah, I like that. I love it when this show does things like that.

Yeah, I like this episode. I would watch this episode. I am gonna give, have we given a created episode of five? I don't think we have,

don't know if we've given ourselves a five out of five, but I think we should right now.

right? Yeah, I'm here for it. Five out of five. This is the best

ding, dinging.

We've done 11 of these and this is the best one.

Well, a lot of Cycore drama does it, doesn't it? I mean, yeah. Speaking of a lot of Sitecore

core drama.

Hey, there's a nice segue just laid itself right in front of me. but What happens in this episode?

Well, we've got season four, episode 16, the exercise of vital powers. We open on a voice of the resistance broadcast letting us know that there are a couple more smaller colonies that have been freed. There have been more defections and more atrocities that Clark has committed have come to light. We go to a voiceover. It's Jerry Doyle's turn for a diary entry,

Yeah.

this is probably the worst acting Jerry Doyle does in the entire show.

Yeah, you think so?

Yeah. It's bad. I, I was taken out of how, how bad this monologue was acted.

Yeah. It's very out of character for Garibaldi anyway. Like everything that's been happening has been a little bit like his character really sucks now.

Well, it's supposed to be.

right, right.

He recaps his thoughts on Sheridan's campaign. Mostly some more power hungry savior stuff.

Yeah. Yeah.

I do have a note though. It's very interesting that this is exactly what Nrun was saying of Delaine to

Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

hungry savior complex. Like it's, it all lines up a lot and I thought that was a interesting dichotomy.

Yeah, it does. It, it is. And I remember now this, this monologue is where he's like, Mars tried to kill me three times before I, I agree with you now. But that's, it's a little rough. It's a rough monologue.

Yeah. After this Garibaldi doesn't wanna put a mask on because he'll look stupid. And, uh, Morrissy says he doesn't care, but sympathizes, that's the whole joke. I don't, I don't have to do anything else at this point.

I'm surprised that Mr. Depe mode is still around. I did not remember him being a going concern this long. We've had him for, what, three episodes now? Four

A few, he, he's been in a handful of episodes,

Yeah.

so We come back from theme to me lab where Franklin is still unable to DeShay the Telepaths in Cryos stasis. Lita talks to Zach real quick, a victim to scan the idea, a thief. And uh, while this is going on, she hears the shadow while this is going on, she hears the shadow ship noise in the telepath on the operating table. Who then rises up and they have a Kirk Spock moment through the glass. He says some shit when he gets up. This is a very difficult scene to watch. Uh, jokes aside.

Yeah, because you don't know what's going on with these guys and like, how much pain are they in? They're, they're in a non-zero amount of pain, right? It seems whatever has been done to their brains is not comfortable.

Yeah. No, it's they are they're looking for the sweet release of death here,

Yeah,

is how bad the pain is.

And we don't really know what's going on with them or if they can be saved. Like we know Franklin hasn't figured it out yet.

he, the way that this guy is speaking, I got a big vibe of, he does not remember who he is.

Yeah.

Like I don't know that there is anyone to save.

Yikes.

Yeah. After the scene we go back to Garibaldi and his mask is off, so he must be at that ultra-rich business person's house.

With a private doc.

With the private doc and uh, sure enough, he runs into lease. and William Edgars this is Ephraim Embolist, Jr.

Mm-hmm.

Are you familiar?

I wasn't familiar with him from anything else, but I mean, he has real big, like Ted Turner vibes, doesn't he?

So he had a steady job on Network TV from 1958 to 1974.

I believe that, yeah. He's got a voice.

he was on 77 Sunset Strip. He was in 173 episodes of that and then he was in the F B I for 241 episodes. But I know this voice, you are correct to call out this voice because he had both a major Marvel and DC character in the nineties in the like the big nineties animation verse. And we had Marvel head Spider-Man. He was Doc ACH in nineties, spider-Man.

Okay.

Then in nineties DC animation through Batman, the animated series, and then appearances in movies and Superman. Occasionally he was Alfred Pennyworth.

Yeah. Uh, He's, he definitely had a big, long career when I first saw him. I have never seen the show Dallas, but I think the listeners of our age kind of know of Dallas. Right. And it's not in his creds at all. But I'm looking at this guy and I'm like, this is how I imagine Dallas would look like somebody on Dallas.

Yeah, that's fair.

I don't know anything about it, but he's got that of a certain time in television, look and sound about him.

Yeah, for sure. Garibaldi tells him why he's come. It's more than his own needs and needing to meet him. He needs someone to stop Sheridan.

Yeah, Garibaldis got Sheridan on the brain. Yeah.

Yep. William compares Clerk's rise to power directly to Hitler here with a reference to the. Pu I know I pronounced that wrong, but it is the uh, the night of a thousand daggers or something.

Yeah. He calls it

daggers. Uh, that's what it is. The night of the long knives. That's what it translates to. This is when Nazi Brown shirts, which is the group that would eventually become the Gestapo, killed a thousand political opponents in sympathizers in Germany over three days.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's implying that something like that happened on Earth, not just, you know, we didn't just declare martial law and take over the colonies. We also like killed a bunch of people, like a bunch of political people. Yeah.

and Clark did this. Garibaldi makes his case as to what he wants Edgars to do. Which is make sure Sheridan gets due process for his insurrection. And then Edgars is like, what's in it for me? And it is like, well, you get political gain, you know, but I feel like the exp expect everyone here just expects Sheridan to lose is kind of the vibe. Like there's no way he's gonna take down Clark. And I'm just like, y'all, like Garibaldi of everyone should know.

Edgar can be forgiven for not knowing, because we know that he kind of knows of the shadows, right? But he doesn't know everything, right? Because we, we know that Earth was kind of in the dark

Yeah,

But Garibaldi was like there by man.

yeah, for sure.

Something's clearly not right with him, right?

Uhhuh. Franklin catches up with Lita and he, and he's just like, how'd you get that telepath to be awake and not a danger? And she's like, bitch, I'm psychic. Like, what? What do you expect this answer to be? Franklin?

Now I have a question for huge affair. Do you think a normal telepath or even, you know, a, a bester level like P 12 can accomplish this? Or is this a Lita only thing because of her alterations?

I think this is a Lita only thing, and I think that's partially because of her alterations, but more so because of her experience in the shadow war.

Okay.

Because she was taken out like these pilots, like three or four at a time at one point, so that the white stars could attack, you know? So she's got experience in dealing with this type of mind already,

Right.

I think that really helps a lot here.

Yeah, this whole thing seems very easy for her. Like she's not struggling the way We've seen her struggle with things before. She's not really breaking a sweat. She's just kind of grappling with them mentally, but not, she's not gonna pass out afterwards. She's okay.

No, she's doing fine. She's got everything's number here. She knows what's going down. She's read the cards. Over on Mars, Garibaldi gets captured. And gets put into a big empty room with a telepath, presumably Cycore of some variety. Not, not Sitecore Black, but she's got the badge.

No, it would make sense that uh, Edgars probably has like a Rolodex full of commercial telepaths that he uses for these kind of loyalty checks. Sometimes make sure nobody's running off of the company secrets.

He's jumbled up and surprised in order to prevent him from having time to mentally prepare, which I think is interesting because they make such a stink, like all of the, all of the anti telepath people in this show. Just every time where it's all like, you can fool a lie detector. You can't fool a telepath like one.

Mm-hmm.

That's a weird stance to take that on, but two, why does he, why do you care if he has time to prepare? If you can't fool telepath, and that's the whole point that you're upset about,

Yeah. Yeah. Also, the audacity of this man, Mr. Edgars, to be doing this as, as, we

white dude. This is the perfect time to use cau cassity.

Yes, the cassity of this man. Oh, do you think it could be a deliberate casting choice with the

hundred percent. Oh. Oh, the telepath. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Ooh,

a lady of color that is here. Even if it's not deliberate, there's a. Interesting poetry there that the, this rich old white man is using her to do his bidding and she turns out to be very expendable.

Yep.

Hmm.

Yep. Garibaldi has to answer a bunch of questions here. Uh, How do you feel about this minority? Where were you on January 6th? Do you love my wife? Pretty standard before you get a radio show between Hannity and Rush.

Yeah. He passes everything. Except that last question.

Mm. Yep.

I don't think he had to be a telepath to see him not pass this.

Very much so. You do not.

Yeah. He's got no like no poker face when it comes to lease.

Edgar tells Lisa otherwise and says the Garibaldi has moved on and that he had passed and is gonna work here. And then Morrissey kills the psych hop to commercial. We come back to Lita as Franklin is testing her, dealing with the shadow paths. This one wakes up and attacks Franklin putting de cart before the horse. He makes a, he makes a joke about, yeah, I think therefore, yeah, that's, that didn't land. That's fine. We

yeah. No, I, it just, I'm slow these days, man. It just had to churn through the brain a little bit. The gears had to start working.

Uh,

It's not you, it's

yeah. Oh, this is where Lita, this is where all the, he says all the shit to Lita and Alita prevents his existential crisis from turning into a suicide at this point.

Yeah. He uh, grabs something sharp on the nearby table

Yep.

and she's gotta hold him back a little bit. But it's again, not a big, huge deal for her. But she puts him back to sleep, so he's gonna be okay for now. He can go back into cryo stasis as far as we know.

Yep. Over on Mars, a bunch of white dudes talking about being afraid of becoming second class citizens to a minority. Uh,

my God. Yeah.

know, thinking about your comment earlier, and their big argument here is one that can hide amongst the populace is what makes this minority so scary compared to other ones.

Oh yeah, the other ones, we can see it on their face and their skin and yeah, this whole thing is just creepy as hell, right?

Bits aside, this is, this, this hit hard Nobody takes power. They are given power is a condemning statement on complacency during political upheaval. And then he throws out some tights and some locations, including the Russians in 2013, which by the way, Putin in 2012 is when he seized power and did the whole switcheroo with the president and the. Prime Minister in order to stay in power and circumvent their constitution.

Oh, I did. You know, I thought about that. I thought, huh, that's funny. I didn't go do good. Any Googling about dates?

Yeah. Yeah. It was in 2012, so he would've come into office for that in 2013. cause the election takes place before,

Babylon five calls it again, it called Scott Adams craziness and now the Russian situation. Yeah, I, I don't want to know what's supposed to happen in two years with the Iraqis. I'm a little worried about that.

uh,

Then the French,

yeah. I mean the French I've seen, we, I've seen, I've seen the French wheel out the guillotine at least twice in my lifetime already. No one's gone in yet, but they keep the marette the ready, apparently.

Yeah, well, we probably won't be around for that one in 2112, but

Eh,

I hope it's

I will be old as fuck if I'm alive in 2112. Hopefully, if I am alive in 2112. It's because of miracle science and not depressing science.

Hopefully we're just like uploaded into avatars at that point. I wanna be in an avatar if I have to be around in 2112.

I've seen San June Appar. That didn't look that bad. It's the one happy episode of Black Mirror um, ish. I guess you talk about it on the Discord. We're not gonna get into that right now. Um,

Sure.

Edgar Recounts Clark's rise to power through his perspective. He's upset about using aliens and telepaths, not that he seized power. He makes that very clear distinction.

yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's pointing out too, it's so funny because the whole time, like Edgars is a giant hypocrite, right? But he's also pointing out Clark is a, a hypocrite because he's like, he played on our fear of aliens and then he got the aliens to help him.

Meanwhile plotting what he's plotting for Telepaths.

yeah. It's just like, oh my God. It's, it's tough to watch, not because anything about this is bad, but because it's like so real.

Yeah. Yeah. It's too real. Edgars then admits that Clark's power is an illusion and that Mega Corps actually run everything.

Well, yeah,

do.

we live in America. We know about that.

He gets to the rest of it here. The threat to them is making Clark's paranoia have them turn more power over to the cyco power they won't give back. Over at the fleet I Vava is FaceTiming with Sheridan Clark sent a few destroyers over to test station defenses and they immediately defected. I would be so weirdly about those fucking ships.

Yeah, same like. Too. Too easy.

Yeah. We need you to go help defend Miba.

Yeah.

Go there, please.

Put you somewhere. I don't have to worry about you.

We get an update on Delaine. We're mostly caught up. She's returning to the station soon

Good. Good.

and no news from Epsilon three either. She then transfers the call to Franklin. He's made some progress, but shared Indeed's results and he finally tells Steven why. We don't see the, what's going on here. This is kept from us, the viewer, but we do see Steven's reaction.

not good. Not good.

I wrote devastated in my notes.

Mm-hmm.

Lita happens upon him in the hallway and Franklin tells her that he finally sees the change in Sheridan, the one that everyone else had mentioned seeing when he had come back from Zaha to.

I don't think everyone else did. I think it was mostly just garal, harping on about it.

Yeah, I mean, Garibaldi definitely was in there for a bit.

Yeah, no, this, this uh, scene actually did get me wondering, Sheridan definitely won quotes, the shadow war by convincing everyone to get the hell out of his galaxy. But this man did go to Zaha dom and. Kind of, everybody's just kind of taking his word for it, like Garibaldi was complaining about, like what if they did influence him in some way? What if the shadows did do something to him and you know, whatever he is asking of Franklin Franklin's not super happy about it, I don't think.

Okay that's,

he plans to kill these telepaths

is

going to Mars for something.

because. The episode that I had missed on my run through as a kid was the one that showed what these telepaths can do.

Uhhuh.

And so it's kind of like, if you're now missing the end bit, I was missing the beginning bit of, of what's going on here. So yeah. Well, you're in for a uh, well, you'll find out. Franklin hires Lita for a long-term job, starting with a trip to Mars. And speaking of Mars, Garibaldi thinks that the only difference between him and Edgars is money.

Oh man. Yeah. Listening to Garibaldi list off this stuff is a little painful. Uh,

Uh,

Really doesn't see it.

no. No, he does not see it at all. He is absolutely oblivious to any faults in himself as a person,

Yeah. I mean, you and I know it because we get to watch the whole episode, but Edgar isn't exactly a great dude. But from Garibaldis point of view he doesn't know about, you know, the genocide murder yet. He, he's like, objectively better than you, man, and a whole lot of measures. And one of those being just proximity.

Just being there. I mean, proximity. I, I did not read that as a literal, he was there. I mean, I'm sure that's, he, that's part of it. Uh, I read it more of a uh, emotional, he was there.

Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean proximity in like a bunch of senses, like not just physical proximity, but like he picked up the phone where you know, garibaldis on Babylon five and might be busy.

Yeah, she reaffirms she loves William Garibaldi is the guy you never hear from first,

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Over in the interrogation room set. But this time with the lights from the gray council set. Edgar checks in on some dying people with Morrissey and he orders a lot of them. Quote, put down, end quote.

yeah. He has a show of some kind of remorse here.

Look at how nice I am, not letting the people that I'm killing suffer needlessly after I've gotten everything I needed from them.

It's weird. He's so

He's so fucking terrible.

I, I, I think it was a great choice casting wise to get somebody with such a charismatic voice and

They cast this guy like sight unseen, like he was not a fan of the show. He did not ask for it. And j m s was familiar with his work and was just all like, this guy fucking get him.

Yeah. I mean, it was a great choice.

Yeah. Garibaldi finds William and tells him that he's in the cost of getting in is for Garibaldi to turn Sheridan in. This was the whole reason he was approached. He learns his connection to Sheridan and he reveals some information about Papa Sheridan that will force him to be found.

Yeah. Papa Sheridan needs this one rare drug, and if we can track the places that are administering this drug, then we know where whereabouts he's

Yep. As far as setting the trap, Garibaldi agrees he goes to one of the other domes in Mars to start setting it up, and we get a monologue of self-justification bullshit to credits. Well, Laura, using our patented scale that we have not patented patent pending, uh, of Babylon's one to five. How'd you feel about this episode?

I mean, I'm still in above average territory, like I'm still on the edge of my seat. Yeah. I'm, I'm giving it a four.

Okay. a th I got a three written down.

Okay.

some of this is pretty difficult to watch bordering on fuck this episode for me. Uh, but it did not cross that line. It flirted with that line. Um, More than anything though, it's just. It's so frustrating to just deal with Garibaldi this episode. Like

I care ball least the worst.

I, I have known people like this and I have removed them all from my life, but just the, oh, what? Just 'cause that guy's got more money than me and it's all like, hmm, there's a whole lot you have not taken in about yourself.

Yes.

a level of lack of self-reflection. That makes me wonder if you would pass mbar sent sentience rules.

right. He's got a big self blind spot.

yeah, it's bad and it's so difficult to see and it's so, so difficult to deal with. And so maybe that's just me remembering old friendships that I would am better off now, not having in my life.

Mm-hmm.

Maybe that's why I'm being a little hard on this episode,

I think it's supposed to push that button. Yeah, it's supposed to push that button for us. 'cause I think everybody has somebody like that in their life that you're just like, how do you not see this in the mirror when you look at yourself? Some people just aren't looking at themselves, I guess.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I, and I guess that's where I'm at. I know that sometimes we've differed on where the fuck this episode line is. I really like the ones that are pushing you that way. Um, You know that they're, they're like pushing it. I, I find it artful. But I can understand why that crosses and defect this episode, and I feel like they're actually the same rating. They're just different. It's different takes on it. So I don't know. I, there's so much suspense.

Yeah, it is getting crazy right now, but what's not crazy is if you were to send us your thoughts on season four,

Yes, please.

your season four recap thoughts for our recap episode. That's coming in a couple of weeks. It, there's still time to get us those things, so please do so so that we, we can read your letter send us an email. Who are you, b5@gmail.com. Get us on the discord. Send us a Twitter dmm,

It's a big

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something to say.

and we wanna hear it. So let us know. but before we get there, we've got season four, episode 17, the face of the enemy. And

Hmm.

hey, we've got a guest next week. We've got Rachel and Ryan from Yum Yum podcast joining us.

So excited to have

I am as well. Always a blast with those two.

indeed.

Uh, The episode shared into summon to Mars after his father is arrested and Garibaldi gives him over to Clark's forces Garibaldis conspiracy to overthrow Earth. GB continues to escalate.

Wait a second. Garibaldis

That's what the preview says.

Hmm. Whose preview is that?

A voodoo last this, the one for this episode was wrong too, where it was just like, oh, Frank Alida go to Mars. And it's just like, no, they don't

Nope. Did an AI write these? Gosh, an AI that didn't watch Babylon? Five.

quite possibly, but you know who has watched Babylon five? I actually don't know this cer for certain. Jeremy Siegel, who composed our lovely theme music. Jeremy, thank you for contributing your art and your time to our art and our time. We really appreciate it. We love the theme song. Thank you so much. You can find more of Jeremy's work at Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com or on any streaming service as nuclear jaguar.

the August album has been delayed.

He did move.

Nuclear Jaguar is moving. So

Yeah, life

their, their August album will be out soon, or it will be combined with September is the the word on the street.

Okay.

yeah. And thank you to Angry Duck Time machine on Instagram for our podcast artwork.

Thank you Aaron for editing our podcast. Thank you so much for putting some time in to make Laura and I sound like not drifting idiots.

Yeah, I'm sure. Some days it's very hard. Thank you to you, the listener, for being here with us. We love that you spend, you know, 30 minutes an hour-ish of your day, depending on how fast you listen to your pods with us. And uh, if you wanna reach out to us, give us your season four thoughts, or give other thoughts, you can reach us at, who are you, B five, at gmail.com or come hop in the Discord, join us there.

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