Crusade 7 - Gary Cole is All of Us

Hello and welcome to who are you? This is the Babylon five watchcast hosted by two former strangers. Now friends who are hanging out in person,

Literally.

in the same room for the first time ever right now, while talking about one of their favorite shows from their childhood, Babylon five. I'm Jafar.

And I'm Laura in person and in con voice.

Right?

It's a little rough over here.

It's been, it's almost like we've been drinking for days.

we've been drinking for

I have been in, I think the latest I have stayed up any night this trip, time zone adjusting, is 10 30 p.

I've stayed

was last night.

any nightless trip is That was last night.

Yeah. It's That's a lot. It's been, it's been a great con. We're at Star Trek Las Vegas, as we've alluded to happening many times in the previous weeks. It's,

the last six months, really, yes.

it's Sunday, so we're mostly through the con right now. We're gonna go watch Todd Stashwick run a D& D game right after this. That's gonna be a lot of fun. It's been a great convention. What are some of the highlights for you?

for me, the highlights are my friends. Like, seeing friends that I have met only online and getting to meet them in person is my number one thing. But I did also really enjoy, as far as, like, panel wise seeing Kate Mulgrew and John Delancey talk to each other.

an excellent panel.

Just like unmoderated conversation flowing between these two people who have been friends for a very long time. And also we love them because they're in our favorite show.

Yeah.

What about you?

Um, that Kate Mulgrew, John DeLancey panel for sure. Um, the Star Trek Strange New Worlds cast panels this morning were fantastic. The energy that they all have for Trek is fantastic. And just being able to absorb some of that. Um, lots of I mean this year's a bit different. So this is con number three for me. And this year we really rolled out with a crew.

you know, we've

you know, we've got us and our respective partners Ben from last time on and uh, Glorianne from Cool Girls are all here. Some friends of mine from college have come along. Some friends from the Greatest Generation podcast listener pool.

the FOD meetup.

Oh, there's no way. There's so many here. There's, I would say, from the FOD meetups, like, I mean, we were at the Cabanica two years ago, there was like eight of us. Last year there was maybe 15. There's gonna be 30

Yeah. I think so.

year, easy. And a lot of people didn't know it was gonna be on Monday and aren't

lot

So it's gonna be a lot tomorrow, too. Um, a handful of people in that community I am friends with outside of being a part of that community. A handful I am not. I have not gotten to spend any time with any of them that I didn't fly out here with. So I'm looking forward to that tomorrow. It's just been a lot. It's been, I mean, our, I mean, my sister decided to come out last minute,

here.

you know, there's 12 of us here

I've met a member of Ja'far's family now. It's so cool.

Yeah, it's it's been a really good time and been trying to do a little bit more Vegas stuff. Uh, The first year was all convention. The second year I wanted to do Vegas off the strip stuff. This year I've tried to do a bunch of Vegas on the strip stuff. So I've been to a couple other hotel and casinos just to wander around. Went and had dinner at Morimoto's a couple nights ago. Which was fantastic. Um, great meal. So yeah, it's just been about all that for me this year.

being ready to go home. Which

Which is the perfect place to be. I think I'm going to be here. Just the right amount of time. If the time zones worked in a different direction for heading home, I would probably be heading home Monday night instead of Tuesday morning, but just that cut in time, I'm not taking a red eye back from Vegas for four hours. It's not enough time to sleep. So I will just uh, head back Tuesday morning and go with there. Yeah.

I figure I'm probably going to need a really good night of sleep on Monday, considering how late I've stayed up.

Yeah. Uh, Might I recommend Benny and a bourbon? It's a sleep aid method that I profess sometimes. It's a shot of bourbon and two Benadryl. You will fall asleep immediately,

Fall asleep. Be ready. I promise. So yeah, it's

so yeah, it's been really fun. It's it's podcast in person. I mean, we normally record with video on, so it doesn't feel like it's alien at all because we normally read off of each other's like facial cues and stuff to have like a conversation like normal people

Yeah, exactly.

But it is it's fun. I'm glad that we've found the time to do this like this Because the opportunity has been very rare for that

Yeah, for sure.

So

Being in separate time zones is already a challenge sometimes. Even though it's the one hour time zone, it's really not that hard.

still, it still has been impactful, and if that ever changes, which it might. There's been talk about possibly moving to Scotland.

my.

We'll figure it out if that happens, but I don't, right now it's more of a pipe dream, but they really need people in my field. And I'm not particularly happy with it. Much of the political situation, much of the situation in the United States, generally speaking.

stuff and things.

Not even just like the ones you're probably thinking of Anyways that's probably not happening for a long time.

not

But what is happening, very quickly, is us talking about this episode of Babylon 5 Crusade. We've got episode 12 Visitors from Down the Street. We open on what has to be the biggest question Babylon 5 has

ever. Yes.

Why the fuck is a spaceship on Eastern Standard

on an Eastern standard time? Oh, I thought the question was, what is that smell? That's the second biggest question.

sure. we find out what the smell is. We probably will never find out why the Crusade is, well, why the Excalibur is running on Eastern Standard.

Yeah, sure.

That's such a bizarre choice for absolutely no reason as far as I can fathom.

I was really delighted by this whole smell subplot, though, because, you know, Gary Cole, as we have already alluded to, in office space, and this was a real thing not that long ago in my office. We all walk in one morning, and it's like, what and where? is that smell. Something, something had died somewhere in the walls. I don't remember if we talked about this on pod, but I think we definitely talked about this.

yeah. Um, I don't, I don't empathize. Like, I don't, I have, I have problems understanding the situation because I have a super keen sense of smell and so I smell shit that like, people don't smell all the time to the point where I'm just, I've given up on It it used to be a game in college, I could tell you what the specials were in the cafeterias, walking outside, like, walking around outside the buildings on our way in, I could tell you what all the specials were.

the specials were.

Um, and if I wasn't so, I don't know how I'm congested in Vegas, this is a fucking desert,

It's, it's the cigarette smoke. It's gotta be.

sense, yeah. Actually, now that you say it, that's obviously but. Yeah, it's just, I just will always smell something like

that. I understand.

so I've just given up on it, but I understand what Gideon's going through as he just gets obsessed with the smell on the tram. And then they quickly get a distress signal from a flying saucer. And we find aliens that are clearly Mulder and Scully aboard.

Obviously, like the red tentacles for Scully's red hair. It's like, this is a delight. I'm enjoying this. Uh, And for some reason we are wearing earth business suits. We have one male, one female. We have the tentacle hair. We've got paranoia and we got guns. Like they seem to have regular guns that our molder analog pulls out. So wait, I

called them Mulder and Scully in my notes the entire time. I know that they had other names. I did not bother to write them

No, I'm not sure that Scully was ever given a name. And I'm looking back at our producer, and he's just shrugging. He doesn't know either.

I think they had a name for her

referred to Mulder more often, and his name was Durkhani. I caught that, but I didn't ever catch a name

think he says her name at one point.

once. Yeah.

Typical for 90s sci fi.

Yeah.

They uh, grab one of the guards from the Excalibur because they want a hostage, but that doesn't quite according to plan when Matheson telepaths into Mulder and makes him think that his gun is a snake,

is a snake,

interesting, like, choice.

Like,

Like, you're assuming that one, they have snakes. Like, I, I guess, I guess it could work one of two ways. You either make him fear the thing in his hand and he saw the snake. Which implies that they are an alien planet that has snakes that are recognizable to humans. And scary. Um, or, he put the snake there and the dude had no idea what the fuck it

it was. Yeah, which would

It's just like, for, I don't know, for tentacle aliens, snakes feels like a weird choice. Because they're not quite Medusas, right? But they've got that kind of generic shape as part of their being.

kind of generic shape as part of their being. Yeah, I just wouldn't

Yeah, I just would like, I don't know, go for like, Mammal.

what

Something that is not clearly what they look like. Although I guess maybe that's what they

I guess maybe that's what they eat. Yeah, a ton about the new telepath rules and such. And so this, the snake projection leads into a discussion between Gideon and Matheson about like what he's allowed to do. You know, he was, it's an emergency situation. I'm allowed to project this, but I'm not, still not able to invade his mind. Yeah. Yeah.

But he says that they were broadcasting fear. So. They uh, get taken into custody, and as they're being led to the brig, we get a flashback to the two of them needing evidence for their claims and heading into space to find it. We see these, like, space shuttles, right? They look like Earth space shuttles that they've got. But they're escape pods or flying saucers?

is an interesting choice for an escape pod.

It seems like a very poor use of, like, physical space.

Uh Huh.

Like, if you're flying saucers, right? You have, because you need the rotation for whatever reason? I don't understand what purpose that would serve for an escape pod that's only going to be In space. It's a very ineffective means of locomotion, especially in space.

Yeah,

Um, if it does anything, I don't, I mean, there might be a way to make it do a little bit by, like, fucking with the weight as it's spitting, but it seems very inefficient.

And you would think that as an escape pod, like you need to maximize efficiency. These are your lifeboats. Like you need to have pods for everyone on that ship and so they need to be very efficiently shaped and sized and located so that in an emergency we're getting on those pods and we're getting the hell out of here. I don't think a saucer is your most efficient shape.

No, unless they were, like, loaded in a manner where, like, the brims were kind of, like, overlapping, maybe? if they did serve some kind of purpose that I don't understand. I know it's just, like, it's the X Files, so they're in a flying

Right, we need to do this for like, other reasons,

it's for the bit, for sure, which I will always appreciate doing something for the bit like that. But it's just, I don't know.

It's funny. If you think about it, it's funny. But that's, you know, this episode is supposed to be funny. So good for them. The other thing I wanted to point out about this episode, before we get too far, because I noticed it right away, was that I love the music so much more, and it's because they're doing X Files music. They're not trying to do Crusade music, and this X Files music is much better.

Yeah, it slaps. For sure. It's much better than our normal synthcore Technomage drumbeats.

Yeah, that's a good one.

God, that's a YouTube channel I never want to find.

and

Anyways Gideon Mrs. Coffee and the Wind. He has a conversation about things on spaceships and how they're different. I imagine I would feel similarly. I, I feel kind of the same being cooped up in this hotel for several days.

huh, yeah.

Like, if it wasn't 110 out, maybe, I'd go get some air on my face, but

Yeah, the air hurts your face right now. So no, thank you. Yeah, I could really dial back the wind being from where the wind comes sweeping down the plane, you know, at like 70 miles an hour or whatever it is. But, you

don't get that up in Michigan.

we do some, some serious wind and uh, I could dial it back a little, but I would also, I think I would have that whole stale canned air problem if I was on a spaceship or station.

I could definitely, it would get to me sooner rather than later for sure.

they're very confused about these aliens. Uh,

There are some incongruities that don't quite line

Yes, Dr. Chambers not seen in this episode, but she has provided intel that they are very different from humans, but they have a lot of knowledge of English. They are, they speak a different language. they are translating in their minds to English. You can tell that from like their brainwaves and stuff. And then of course they are dressed like humans. So what's going on?

are dressed like humans. So what's going on? Mulder is unable to hold down his contempt at Gideon's lack of knowledge of the grand conspiracy of which he is clearly a part of.

the episode,

He learned English from recordings that he found deep underground. But also later in the episode, they make it sound like English is a super common language that they've been letting everyone learn. So, did he just get a jump start on it and then they said fuck it? Or, I don't know. It doesn't really

it, or, I don't know. It doesn't really matter. That might be what happened. Gideon agrees

that might be what happened. Gideon agrees to uh, bring him whatever he needs from their pod to prove his case that there is a conspiracy and if Mulder can prove it, Gideon will take them home personally to investigate

Meanwhile, B plot, a grunt, is in the tubes, looking for the smell.

Can't find that smell.

Yeah. Hm.

Mulder uh, makes his case to Gideon. He's got a picture of a blimp that was labeled swamp gases.

huh.

A crash landing of humans and a golf

Yeah. I'm wondering about the golf club. I mean, the crash landing was labeled weather balloon. Yes, I'm pretty sure Where how did we get the golf club?

You see it on TV, you've intercepted

You make your own golf club, okay. Yeah

there's a photo of Mount Rushmore.

Yes, I like how we sent this probe to earth, you know Uh, Mulder talks about he personally ordered this probe somehow to Earth. And Mount Rushmore is what you see. You don't see like the cities and the peoples and the satellites.

was never actually at earth.

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, no, they've never actually had, they can't, they can barely leave their solar system.

Yeah.

there's no way.

Yeah. So he's getting the falsified probe. Okay.

yeah, I mean, so the implication is that these aliens think that they are like next door to Earth, like y'all are neighbors, right?

Earth, like,

Crusade is that they're like out on the fringes of known space. They're going to civilizations that are all dead or whatever way out there, because anything that's close, They would have explored already, or the Mimbari would have, or someone, you know, the Centauri, someone would have already done some shit. So they're out in the area of space where they don't know shit about shit.

shit. And so there's

so there's no way that they are anywhere close to Earth.

just

So it's just happenstance. They, there's no way they could probably reach Earth. And I don't think the government would want to pick a planet, because I mean, as we find out at the end of this episode, this is all a ploy, this is all a big government conspiracy.

It's like layers upon layers upon layers. It's an onion. You keep pulling apart and it keeps being more.

More of the onion, exactly. Um, I would think that you would not want to be close to the race that you are blaming for all of your problems. Because there will certainly be some expectation to do some shit.

Yeah.

the conspiracy is ever unveiled.

Mm hmm. So, we flashback, we have another, like, Mulder and Scully being assaulted in their office. And speaking of layers and onions, they assault one of these attackers, they manage to subdue one.

warned you about this

You did I had no idea what you're talking about listeners So, you know, we've had a busy con and there was a time yesterday where I was like, okay I'm going up to watch crusade now and Aaron and I both sat down. We got the episode downloaded. We start watching it and Aaron is literally nodding off on the couch. Not necessarily because this is a bad episode All episodes of crusade are not the best but it this one is not that bad

Yeah.

But we're just tired because it's a busy con. So he goes and lays down and I'm like I'm too tired to take notes, but I'll just watch. No dead ass asleep for 30 minutes of the episode. I caught like the front five and the back five

So

and that's it. So I did watch it again today and Ja'far had already made like a reference to this sometime yesterday. So we have this attacker that. We have subdued him. I don't know if he's dead or just knocked out. We, we realize his face is a mask. We pull it off. Underneath his face is a human face. And of course my, my little brain is spinning about, Oh, okay, well, are there some like rogue humans out here, like pulling a long con?

Oh, yeah, I totally for a second there I thought it was like IPX doing some shit

yeah. I'm like, okay, so who's, who's pulling this long con? And then as the, you know, the dramatic moment progresses. We pull off the human face and underneath it is another alien face.

Yep The same alien to be clear not some third unknown alien

yes, true.

what if it was like a Narn under there or something?

That'd be hysterical. You can just keep the conspiracy just going and going and going. Yeah.

another mask, and then another mask.

but they don't pull that bit too far. You know, we just have the three faces, but I had a very good chuckle.

Yeah, it's so absurd. This is the highlight of this episode for me, 100%. The mask under the mask is just so, so good. Gideon wants to know why. That's, that's the big question here. It's all like, Okay, well, yeah, it looks like humans have fucked around on your world, and there's some Like, you shouldn't fucking know English. Like, there's some problems here. But why the fuck would we even care?

shit. You

Um, that's not what humanity's doing in the stars. So it's just like, what the actual

doing. So it's just like, what the Yes, very much so.

very much so. He's just like, it doesn't make sense and then another ship pulls up, also unidentified, and they hail the Excalibur in English.

And Gary

And Gary Cole here drops just a charm of a line, either more of the, it's either more of the same race, or there is an extremely busy English teacher hiding

an extremely busy English teacher

And it's Glow, we find out, is the extremely busy English teacher out

the extremely busy English teacher out there. Yes. We've been working on our speech and our drama clearly with all these aliens. Yes. Um, I wanted to say one thing about before we get Mr. Kendar on

to our

and we get this hail. We had Mulder. giving us this very impassioned speech about, you know, these aliens, you, you all are controlling our government. You are cutting the money to our schools so that we're ignorant and we cannot confront you and fight back. You are cutting our public housing to keep us in disarray and poor.

feel like we've had that recently, yes? Like, this is happening to us actively.

Yes.

Not just holding the entire government accountable, which is what we should be doing.

Yeah. And that's why Jaffer wants to move to Scotland.

Considering. so, they want a molder, the alien shows up, you put, you wrote down his name, I literally just called him the cigarette smoking man. The entire time. I, I also did not bother with his name because that's clearly who this character was, well before he pulls out a cigarette in the third act.

was well before he pulls out a cigarette in the third act. So, Big Man is a government

So the cigarette smoking man is a government agent who basically represents the head of the conspiracy to hide aliens. Um, I don't think he's with the FBI. I don't remember. He's not like their boss. I think he's Mulder's dad or something.

It's always your dad.

something, there's

the dads. We want to fight our

there's like a familial connection there somewhere. Maybe he's an uncle or something. I don't know. I haven't watched The X Files in, well, 20 years give or take. So, I don't really remember a lot of the details there. But he is the uh, The effective representative of the human side of the conspiracy to hide alien activity on Earth. Um, he's the guy who actually knows what's going on.

Mm-Hmm.

And is a constant thorn in the side of Mulder

and in this case, he's the guy actively making all the shit up about the aliens rather than the guy hiding aliens. He's the guy like planting all the pieces.

cigarette smoking man comes on board. He explains uh, what's going on? Basically, he gets Mulder and Scully to kind of play their hand a little bit. Um, he explains this is all just a uh, a setup. This is all there so that they don't get conquered or great barriered out of existence until they can catch up with the rest of the galaxy. They know that they are technologically enfeebled compared to all the other major races and want to spend time together.

Yeah, and this is, he confronts Mulder and Scully, but the explanation winds up being to just Gideon, I think. and as, as all of these things are like happening, Mulder eventually kidnaps the cigarette smoking man. He's the hostage. He is demanding that Gideon charge the pod, I think. We want to get out of here, you know, give me my helicopter

gotta get out.

or my, my airplane and my bucket of cash and uh, we'll be on our way. And Gideon's like, this is all so fucking stupid. I would love to just do that. Can we just do that at this point?

leave?

Yeah, yeah. But as, as Mulder has kidnapped the cigarette smoking man, smells, he smells it in the tube. He's like, oh, what? There's a, there's a horrible smell. What is that?

go through the tunnels on foot. The mobile infantry is looking around when Gideon finds the source of the smell and pours poop on people.

that's the, that's it. That's the payoff. I. Was a little surprised. I thought that we were gonna like play it into like, oh, it knocks them the the horrible smell Knocks out the aliens and that's how we like catch up to them and and take care of everything Nope. Nope, literally just Gideon's like, oh my god he sees the pipe that is loose and he's like it's this pipe and he just like grabs it and pulls it and then just Plop, plop, plop, plop, plop. Just, just poop.

As someone who recently saw a chocolate fountain in Hershey, Pennsylvania, It's exactly what it looked like. The prop was identical to the one on the little Hershey ride you

by and

World, yeah.

little whiff. And then Gideon

So yep, it's just a bunch of waste, all comes pouring out of there. It just gets loosened every time it rolls by and lets out a little whiff and then Gideon just breaks the fucking thing. And just makes it so much worse. And I don't even want to think about having to repair that. They're on like a ladder, they're like climbing up

They're climbing past the pipe, yeah,

So we know that there's We've seen a large group of people with him on both when they get out and before they go in. The implication is that, like, he just poured poop on, like, 20 people on

he just poured poop on like 20 people. Yeah. Because we

Because we see, like, a dozen when they're out in the next scene, and none of them are covered in poop.

of

So, there's gotta be more people that were covered in

there's got to be more people that were

Like, don't worry about shooting this dude anymore, just go, go take a

about shooting this dude anymore. Just go, go take a shower. to go see Dr. Chambers about

So, Giddy and the troops get Mulder and Scully here. And he gets some breeze for his troubles.

the trains

as the trains run by, he feels Breeze on his

peace out on their

Mulder and Scully peace out on their escape pod when they find the cigarette smoking man's gun was never loaded in the first place. laughs it all off. And then he turns from cigarette smoking man to Ozymandias. This whole using humanity in a scapegoat is to prevent Yeah, you can't

blame for everything. That's the actual reason for the conspiracy. Gideon

monster

on

we're all no good. There's no way this actually works, right? Like, they've been like, their government's been seeding all this stuff about human intervention and now humans have intervened?

Oops.

Like, if anything, this just makes the conspiracy stronger.

this is going to get spun, right? Like this is a gift to Ozzy Mandias accidentally,

For

I do love Gary Cole's like chaotic energy about the whole thing. Like, let's do it. Let's fuck some shit up. Yeah.

this is like gotta be one of the hardest fuck the prime directive moves in history like obviously they don't have the prime directive But this is a pre warp species that is being intervened with by their own government faking out stuff for humanity and just like Completely change the development and future of this species in like 30 seconds because you're pissed of one

at one dude. It's some real, like, Janeway. I feel like Janeway might pull this if she was mad enough.

Yeah, that's fair

rare. Yeah,

damn just the whole thing just just damn after all this wraps, Gideon goes to the tunnels to feel wind and drink some tea to credits

goes to the tunnel wind

So I got to ask Laura, on a scale of one to four main guns firing, how do you feel about this

a scale of 1 4 main guns firing? X Files pop culture just existing in the 90s. Like I understood the references, not all of them, obviously, because I didn't know the cigarette smoking man, but I, I got the suits and I got the hair and, and Scully's whole deal and Mulder's whole deal. And I loved how over it Gary Cole was like, Gideon's just like, what the fuck? This is stupid. This is all four main guns firing. I'm having a great time here.

This is all four main guns firing. I'm having a hard time here.

guns firing at you. It

for the con. It

perfect for the con. Like, this was great vibes for this in person record.

Yeah, no, this was just the hilarious episode that I really fucking wanted out of this show.

Uh Huh

And it wasn't another dead fucking world.

Yeah. I got to describe the magic box to somebody yesterday at the masquerade bar at like 3:00 AM and how, how much I fucking loved the box. I was like, this, this is the moment I turned and I was like, I fucking love this show. Give me more fucking magic box. Like it was, it was a great conversation,

It's so absurd. I don't know where you go from here.

know

Um, I know that we've got, like, we've been kind of hanging out in, like, the middle of the pack of episodes after the increased budget from TNT hit. I know that without the necessity of, like, our watch order and how we're going about things, we're going to be going back to earlier produced episodes that were pre the budget increase.

here.

And we've seen what these ones look like, so I don't know that the series is going to get any better than this episode. We'll see. But we won't be finding out next week, because next week we go on our mid season movie break. We're going to watch Office Space. We were hoping to watch Office Space and do it here at STLV and invite a bunch of our friends to come along and watch it and talk about it with us. I don't think that's happening.

no, I think we've used up a lot of our time doing other things, but they were all very important, fun, other things.

For sure. Uh, No regrets on how we spent the time at the convention. It's just not gonna happen. So we'll record it sometime after we get back and have time to recover. Um, there may or may not be guests for it.

Yeah, no idea. We'll see what happens.

we haven't, we haven't talked to anyone about it. We'll see. We'll see what happens. I don't know. Maybe tomorrow at the pool party we'll put out some

Yeah. this is a magical place. Magic can happen. We can believe.

I saw Sean Farrick in a hallway earlier today and just pointed at him and said, Thank you. And he looked at me and said, No, thank you. And it was a magical moment. So I mean, Yeah, it's, it's, it, Strange things can happen at Star Trek Las Vegas. So we'll see what happens then. But before we see what happens, We have to, of course, say thank you.

Of course.

Jeremy, man, I wish you were here. I understand you're not and the stuff going on that led up to that. I know you got some stuff going on in your life. taken up some time later in the year. So bummer, maybe next year it'd be great to have a beer and shoot the shit. But until then, I have to say thank you for composing the lovely theme music.

And if you want to find more of Jeremy, you can do that. He is a nuclear Jaguar on iTunes, Spotify, all those other things. And also on band camp. As JeremySiegel42. bandcamp. com where he's the only Jeremy Siegel of any importance.

Angry Duck Time Machine, thanks so much for our art. We need to talk to you really soon about the Battlestar art. Yeah,

Yes. I, I will get on that. I think we've made some decisions on that.

Okay, yeah. I think, I think we know what we're going to do.

Okay.

Aaron, in the room. you're going to lean in if you want. You don't have to say anything. You can, you're going to, well, you're just going to edit it out if you don't like it. So that's fine. Uh, Thanks so much for editing the podcast. Yeah.

Thanks

And just

Bye. Bye.

It's been cool to just chill.

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