Hello and welcome to Who Are You? We're the Babylon 5 watch cast by a couple of former strangers, now friends, who are still getting to know each other over one of their favorite shows from their childhood, Babylon 5. I'm
And I'm Jaffer.
and today I'd like to ask Ja'far a very important question.
Yes.
Because we know that the Babylon 5 reboot is imminent any day now.
Right. Totally not just stalled out in reboot hell.
Definitely, probably not. And obviously Crusade is going to be a thing after the Babylon 5 reboot that is wildly successful. So, if you were going to reboot Crusade, how would you cast it?
I thought a lot about this because obviously this is something that we, you know, we're not doing off the dome.
Definitely not.
definitely not. What kind of podcasters would we be if we just came up with a bit 30 seconds before we hit record?
Never. So unprofessional.
be so incredibly unprofessional, I would never stoop to that level. I know you're a pro, so we're, we're not doing that for sure. But if I did have to come up with some recasting, um, for Gideon, I want someone. That has a commanding presence, you know, I want someone that can tell someone to go fuck themselves without using those words many ways over, but also I want someone who can do a little bit of mystery and I want someone who can just kind of pull a solution out of their ass. Right.
And when I think about those qualities in particular, that last one, there's only one name. There's a pro in that game and that's Richard Dean Anderson.
Excellent. Yeah, I like that poll.
Yeah.
Richard Dean Anderson.
Who are you thinking for Gideon?
Well, there's only one. obvious choice for me, and that is Gary Cole.
Yeah, that's fair.
I mean,
do it.
yeah, look at this man. He's still alive. Well, he's 67, so he's going to bring a gravitas to it that he didn't before, but some of his, like, experienced bad boy gets the job done will be a little more believable at this age. He's still got. a great head of hair, if you see some of his recent pictures. So I think that's all we need,
Yeah, the hair is important.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, what would you do for Matheson? Okay.
want someone who is confident, but not overtly. So I want them to have a like underlying kind of anxiety, right? I want them to, I want it to be a little bit more believable. Maybe they don't really feel entirely sure of their position, but they're there and they're going to make the most of it. Um, someone who probably a bit older than our uh, Daniel Day Kim. You know, just someone maybe a little bit more experienced. someone who's a bit of a nerd.
Very important.
And I think when I think nerd who's kind of bumbling, but can pull it off and is also like super built for no reason. I'm thinking Michael Shanks.
And this is where I have to Google that person because I can't make a joke about them. Okay. You got to tell me who he was on Stargate.
Oh God fucking, what's his name? I don't know, I only watched 10 episodes of that fucking show. That's not true, I watched like 15. Um,
Daniel Jackson. He was Daniel Jackson.
DJ, that's right.
Can you, can you elaborate a little more on why his DJ ness makes him great for the
His DJ makes him great for the role because it's my weakest casting of the four and I'm doing a bit.
Well, again, I have only one person in mind for the role of Matheson. And that is the cheekbones of Daniel Day
Oh yeah, those cheekbones. So important to that character.
if you look at this actor and we know some of his recent work, he's more than capable and I'm, I'm just feeling like everyone in crusade needs a do over almost everyone.
everyone.
Who do you want to do next?
Um, why don't we do Dr. Chambers?
Okay.
So, Dr. Chambers. Again, I want someone who's believable that they're going to save the world. Right. Cause I think. If Crusade had been allowed to run its storyline in full, Chambers is the one who's gonna, like, actually get the cure here, right? Like, Gideon and crew are going to find it and lead the journey, but Chambers is the one who's gonna be all like, No, this is actually the cure. No, this is how it works. Like, she's the person who's gonna save the entire human race.
Yeah.
And so I want someone that I can believe is going to pull that off. So I need someone who has a aura of intelligence. I need someone who has an aura of confidence again, and I think Amanda Tapping would be excellent in this role.
Yeah, of course. I've given my bit away a little bit, in that I think everyone in Crusade needs a do over. Almost everyone in Crusade needs a do over. But I think no one needs that do over more than Marjean Holden.
Yeah.
Because Girlfriend got robbed with this script, and this whole setup, and I think that she needs a chance to do it again. And with some better material, which always happens in reboots, right? Yeah, okay.
So I think Ellerson was the last name we'd thrown around.
Yeah. Eilerson. Mm
So for Max, I want someone who can be an asshole. but, uh, still can get the job done. I need someone who can just kind of like say things and it sounds like they make sense, but there's no possible way he could know that.
hmm.
And when I think about someone who feels that role, I think Christopher judge.
Yeah. Yeah. What a classic. So, Max Eilerson is the character that does not deserve a do over, and I am writing him out of the reboot entirely. No Eilerson for anybody.
no, you know, that's a big improvement.
Yeah, now it's a success.
That's all we needed to do is just get
Totally agree. Well, we've solved Crusade, I think.
our, uh, Friend of the pod, Austin uh, is really big in the fan edit community.
Oh,
he's that's a big hobby. His, I would love to see what he would do with crusade if he were to try and get rid of Ellerson. Please don't
your mission,
Austin,
your mission should you choose to accept it, but you really don't have to. It's totally fine.
don't.
Yeah. into it.
Okay.
All right. Well, we unfortunately do have an episode with Max Eilerson in front of
We do. We've got three episodes of crusade left. The crusade to finish crusade rolls on. We have patterns of the soul. Does
Hmm. Yeah.
that even make sense for this episode?
I was just wondering the same thing. It even like, he likes to have his like little poetic type titles, right. And there usually is a way that they pretty obviously connect. I'm not picking it up here.
nor am I, maybe I missed a line somewhere, but are we open on, did you catch this, but we open on like the immediate opening. Not, not the conversation, not the sharing a name drop before that.
There was a something,
There's like seven seconds of porn groove.
Oh
like really awkward music choice, even for this show and it's terrible music choices.
yeah. We've had some pretty notable ones already. So yeah. Why not just open it up with the porn? Maybe they got the soundtrack mixed up from that one episode that did open with literal porn.
Yeah. What is this TV show? How?
What happened, guys?
How? I forgot. Like, it's like a fever dream. You like, you say a thing that happened in crusade and it's just all like, oh yeah, that, that did happen. Fuck. I'm already blocking it out of my brain.
I'm, I know this journey has been Mm, tedious But I'm glad we're going on this journey 'cause I, I am a bit of a completionist and so I did always feel kind of like, well, I didn't ever, didn't ever actually watch crusade and now I can say that I have
Checked the box. famous gauge on which life is judged on.
Yeah, this is uh, getting scratched off the old bucket list, so.
when Anubis grabs the scales, and the feather is placed, he's gonna look at you and go, but did you finish Crusade? And you'll be able to say yes.
yes I did, sir. Anubis is a sir, I think.
Probably. Anubis. So Gideon's getting yelled at by his boss here. He needs to go check if a colony is infected with the plague so they can relocate them. We cut over to Max, who's also getting yelled at by his boss for not giving the evil corporate things.
Yeah, it's, you, you're not doing enough evil. Like, be, be doing more evil, like,
Mm hmm. Do more evil, Max. Fuck.
Yeah. I surprisingly didn't feel bad about Eilerson getting his butt chewed. That was kind of fun.
Yeah.
But then he goes to chew on Gideon's butt some more because he's mad now that we're changing course and he doesn't get to go do evil.
Mm hmm. We find out this colony is 30 people here.
Yeah, not much of a colony.
Yeah, they escaped during the drug attack. Do you would, I don't know how you call 30 people a colony.
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
a rest stop.
Yeah, it's like they're, they're a contingent or something, but they're not a colony, and I question strongly how they got out of earth as the drug, because it's the way they made it sound is it's like, as the plague is being distributed, they're like taking off. And it's like, there were like a lot of enemy ships around and there was like a big battle, like who was letting them go through like the pre flight check sequence when
there's a big there's a big battle, right there. We find out they're all military.
Yeah.
know, the captain dude served on the battle of the line and everything. Right.
Oh, that's true. So they're not like afraid of it.
But also. Fuckin they talk about how they're all from a different colony in this episode. How they were all living on this biochem colony. What the fuck were they doing on Earth during the attack? They all just happened to be there?
there was a big conference where they were showing off all their biochem stuff and you got to have your subjects there to be poked and prodded.
Ugh.
I don't know. Yeah. So on the planet
hmm.
One of the human colonists is, like, hassling some guy about rolling the stones and seeing poor tents, and, you know, this guy's in his, like, hooded thing, and he's clearly very unwell and he says that this guy has brought doom to his people and asks him to leave him alone so he can die to theme.
Yeah, the Rolling Stones are bringing about all of their deaths. They're going to use the nanovirus shield here to go down just in case they're infected.
Glad we have some continuity on that, that we're using the thing.
So I wonder because if this was supposed to be much earlier in the, this is much earlier in the original air order,
Oh, is it?
if this is supposed to be. A thing that we assume is happening every time they go to one of these planets that has the possibility of having had the plague on it.
Yeah, like these dead worlds,
Yeah.
virus shielding the whole time.
and we're just to assume it because we see it here.
Yeah, great question.
You would need something like that in the plot. I would think
Yeah. For some reason we're going to send Gideon down to do this, like,
Captain goes on away missions. This ain't Star Trek.
He confronts the colony leader who doesn't believe that they could be infected.
this is Robert Black played by Brian Thompson Who's a real that guy?
Oh yeah. Tell me
I clocked him immediately as Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat Annihilation, one of the worst movies ever made.
Beautiful. He does have a look like he could be in mortal combat.
he's in all kinds of stuff, the other thing Beth immediately recognized him as Luke from Buffy.
Ah, okay.
So he's, he's got a laundry list on IMDB. He agrees to do a blood sample when Darina finds out that she has the same loaf as the old stones guy. He sends her to their village. It's a big, big to do for her. She thought she was the last of her peoples.
Yes. We did find that out in call to arms, I think. Yeah. And uh, this guy thinks that she's some kind of prophet of course, like we always think that in this sort of situation but Gideon tells black that he does need to return to earth. Tim, I think is the one who's extremely mad about this,
Yeah. Yes, this is
to go back black tells him, well, you know, we may have like doomed the other people on this planet. The like actual tribe that they call themselves, I think.
They're words. Yeah.
Yeah. And he says, you know, the captain probably knows. That's what we are anyway. Like they've probably told him everything, which no, they, of course they didn't but Tim does not want to go back and be a lab rat.
No. No, they talk about who and what they are very obliquely. Ooh.
spooky. Max babbles some Bible stuff at Gideon. That's what I wrote here. Cause I did not understand what was happening between Max and Gideon.
He is claiming that ignorance is bliss. This is basically that one scene from The Matrix
Uh, The Matrix probably did it better.
Yes.
Darina scales a cliff, which looks super
Who? Okay. This drove me mad. So she has to like climb this giant cliff face to get up there. Right?
always climbing shit, have you
How did that old guy get down? The guy who can't walk? How, how do you get down this cliff face? If this is the only way up to the village,
Yeah,
how do they do anything? There's not a lot of space up here.
but Doreen is just, she has to always be climbing shit. So we don't forget that she's the rogue, you know, cause they had her climb that one building where she went across the light bridge.
Yeah.
to climb the, uh, the home of the lady of the bong water. We're climbing up this cliff right now. Yeah it's a little bit overused, perhaps. Uh, Gideon calls home and gets yelled at some more for giving the colonists time to pack.
he starts digging in some records after this
Yeah, he's suspicious.
top secret, unauthorized, Hey, we know you're not the dude. You have to say the second password now. Kind of a thing. What kind of system is that?
I was gonna say, this feels like a password security rant coming
Can you imagine if your MFA failed and it was just all like another password, please.
Yeah. Yeah. Can I tell you something adorable? I love academics. They're the most hilarious people sometimes, often not on purpose. And one of my professors there's this uh, system for, how, how should I describe it? Uh, It's from the Wharton school at University of Pennsylvania that they put up a whole bunch of data stuff and you sign into it and you get data sets to run analysis and stuff. It's all like Compustat and Audit Analytics.
They're like public kind of things repositories of public information. And they recently, started that multi factor authentication. And twice now I have watched this professor, like do the sign in, in class. And then he forgets that it's going to call him and he's like, who is this calling me, like genuinely, like. I can't believe someone's calling me in class right now and we're like, it's the, it's the MFA professor.
computer. The computer's the one calling you. The call's coming from inside the classroom.
It's adorable. I love it. Anyway, moving on uh, Yeah, so that's weird that we've got the super secret passwords. Um,
Yeah, it's so fuckin weird. We find out the colonists are infected very early here.
yeah,
it is not a mystery. And so Gideon also starts digging through the ship's logs, see where they've been, who they've talked to, where they stopped Doreena gets the skinny from her lost tribe. Once again, their words.
Basically they were slaves of another race, I think. I think they said that their, their people were being taken by others and their ship was destroyed in orbit. So we get to see the story. I don't think they know this, but we see that the shadows destroyed their ship while it was in orbit. And, you know, so they, I assume, got on life pods or whatever and made a home here.
Yep.
I wish we knew who the other race was that enslaved them.
Just give me a little bit more.
Because you think like, oh, could it have been the Drak? But why would the Shadows destroy the ship? Maybe, maybe it was a Vorlon associated race. But would the Vorlons, they do slave things? I don't know.
Probably. They're shitbags.
They're all bad, right?
They're all terrible. Who the fuck knows? It doesn't
Yeah, or maybe the shadows are just doing their like evolution through chaos thing and so they're like shooting their own Allies
they were pissed that they were taken in the first place, and they came around to blow them up after they had destroyed the homeworld.
Yeah
no survivors. Some of that shit. I don't know. Chambers confirms Gideon's concern that the colonists were infected, After escaping?
Yeah, she finds like a CD ROM. Oh, no, wait, that's actually food in the trash and colonists had left earth before the plague but they were given it through the food that they bought.
Mm hmm. Just bizarre. Um, like, it doesn't make sense, but I mean, it does in the terms of the plot, but like, why you would Even risk this,
Mm hmm.
just seems so foolhardy.
Yeah, especially like the whole point of quarantining earth is to keep this shit in one place and we don't infect anything else and the risk of like sending it to get at someone else as a. Also a weapon. I don't know. It's just mad, madness. Why would you do this thing? Cause that so easily gets out of your hands. Like, somebody's like, ooh, food crate, steals a food crate, you know? And then, it's all
And, and then Minbar is infected now because linear got into a food supply and gave it to a homeless person or some shit. Like it's just, it's just so fucking dumb. It's so dumb.
Yeah. Doreena has called Dr. Chambers to come check out her people. She has not told anybody.
Mm hmm.
that these are her people and that she's found other sentient life forms. She just said she needs her to check out some native life, and she wants to get them tested to see if they have the virus as well.
Yeah, which, of course they do.
Of course they do.
Uh, They already know. They don't need to be tested. The stones have already told them.
So on her way back, Dr. Chambers gets jumped by Tim. He's not gonna go back. He starts to give up the ghost on it. No, that's not what, that's not the phrase.
It is a phrase. Give up the ghost? That's a phrase. I I don't think
That's when you die, though.
It's a I mean, it's kind of a I think it's a like a resignation of the inevitable.
Okay. We'll go with that.
Uh,
Whatever it is, he's given it up.
given it up.
he's informs us that they're all cybernetic beings,
Mm-Hmm.
And pretty mad about it.
Yeah. They uh, kidnap, he kidnaps Dr. Chambers here. Dorino like catches up, gets like instantly thrown away, and then they just keep going. It's like.
she's good, but she's not beat the cyber being good, unfortunately.
This is so pointless. In, in wrestling parlance, we'd call this bad booking. All this does is make the character we care about look weak without any chance for her to like come back from it.
Yeah. Mm hmm.
So,
I wish she could have done something clever.
right. I wish she could have done anything besides be sad this episode. I mean, she's got plenty of stuff to be sad about but it feels like. You might be madder at the humans who have now infected the last survivors of your people after finding out that you were not alone in the galaxy. You might want to take that out on them. You might not be chill and passive about it.
She's had a lot of agency taken away from her in this episode, which I think is kind of a beef I have with, like, 90s male sci fi writers when they do a strong female character. With quotes around it.
Strong on those air quotes on that strong.
Yeah. They, they want to make her into a badass, but then they just yank like all of her agency away at some point because it's convenient for their story. Very
Yeah. If Gideon can't save the day, let it later in this episode. Then what's the point of any of it? The
Uh, So Robert Black tells us he was at the Battle of the Line,
yeah.
And then got ducked in bioweapons.
He was a big old trying to be a big old hero as a young kid in the military and just. Ends up not having a great time.
Yeah. I feel like that's a tale as old as time. It's a great way to make a name for yourself until things actually happen. Mm
Yep. While this conversation is going on Tim takes off on their shuttle with a handful of people. I guess 30 people fit on this shuttle.
That's a big shuttle.
It's just the normal shuttle though. Like if you look at it, it's just the same old shuttle we see all the time.
I bet it has a basketball court.
Well, it does have artificial gravity and the same bridge as an earth force destroyer, despite it just being the normal shuttle. So probably.
shuttle. Yeah.
normal shuttle. It's, it is this level of stuff that drives me mad because Babylon 5 was giving so much attention to detail on this shit and Crusade just can't be bothered to give a fuck. That's actually my problem with the whole show. It just can't be bothered.
Yeah. So Darina calls Gideon and lets him know that Dr. Chambers is a hostage on that shuttle. So maybe don't just like shoot it down.
So he shoots it down.
Yeah, he shoots it down. And then Black and Darina talk about their situation. He lost the love of his life to these implants and they just want to be free. but then they're interrupted by the explosion in the sky.
Yeah, Gideon hails the general, they FaceTime for a minute and he shows them the destruction of the ship, but it's all a ruse, even, even though technically it's not a fake, he did blow up that shuttle, which is, I guess, important, but, whatever. It's not, he's, he, he gets them.
Yeah. The tape is epic. Uh, So, he does tell the general after he's like, yeah, I blew their asses out of the sky. Um, but hey, this is weird. They definitely weren't infected when they left earth. They got infected on the way to this planet somehow.
happenstance.
Yeah. Maybe somebody should look into that. What do you think general?
Yeah, we will send our best people on it right away. You should definitely not do that. Also, go on a different mission now, bye.
Yeah, no, he doesn't even say we'll put people on it. He's like, nah, there's no investigation necessary needed into that. Like, that's what you should have said, right? Oh yes. We will get a team on that, but you guys have other shit to do. Go do that other shit. But. Instead, he says the more suspicious thing.
Yeah. I'm going to be lazy with my conspiracy. Ah, yes. Heh.
Yeah. So Gideon tells the colonists that he's going to leave a satellite at this planet to warn others away since the plague has jumped species. That satellite will also make sure nobody leaves, so don't try to do that.
it'd be bad.
And then on the way back, he and Doreena kind of have a conversation about truth, I guess. she wants to know how uh, he found out about the cybernetics. Like, where'd you get that information? That's very interesting.
gotta do a little tradesy here to build the trust.
Yeah.
And he kind of tells her, I mean, I guess he tells her in a way that would matter for her. Cause it's not like he's gonna name drop the general who got too drunk and fucked up at cards.
I'm really curious about this though.
I wish we knew our generals better. I feel like in a, like, In a next gen where we know all of the Admiral's names. This could be really fun to know that like Nechayev got super drunk playing cards one time.
To give up her
yeah, but for us here, it's so fucking pointless.
Yeah. He won the, the security codes in a poker game. maybe we just really wanted to establish the poker so that the apocalypse box made more sense. I love saying that. I love bringing up the box anytime. But yeah, I wonder if that was going to be a point later, like maybe we were going to meet that general someday.
that would make sense. I hope so.
He's got to still be alive,
maybe in our script reading, we'll find out.
that'll come up. you know, he's got to still be alive or those codes wouldn't be active. Right.
Yeah.
You hope,
Dr. Chambers gives Mac shit for being a corporate shill.
you know, for as much as we brought it up at the beginning, And the end of this episode, there was really nothing to do with Max being a corporate shill in this episode. Like, everybody's just giving him a hard time, kind of apropos of nothing, which is weird.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, so he confronts her about Darina's people. He's kind of figured that out. I don't know if he was looking at her notes or just figured out something about the mission records, or I don't remember. Very forgettable, whatever it was. And she refuses to like take the bait. She's not gonna. give this information up, even though she did tell Gideon, right? Yeah, she did. That's how we got here.
And Darina goes to visit Chambers to apologize, I think, for her anger on the planet's surface, or I don't know why she's apologizing exactly.
I don't know. So much of this doesn't make sense.
Uh, but Chambers forgives her and does let her know that because her people had this virus before. The virus is more effective on them.
Yeah.
And so it's only going to take one year for them. And after that, they will all perish.
Big sads.
Big sads, especially because like, you know, we know Earth has. Four years, five years, really. But you know, Gideon's going to have to come home after four because of a weird promise he made. So it's like, what happens to the show after one year? If we don't, I don't know.
Yeah, if they don't cure the plague in a year and we just know that Jarena's people are dead somewhere.
yeah. I wonder if this was the show saying, don't worry, it's not going to be four seasons of plague stuff. Like we're just going to get through this and then we'll figure out something else. Okay guys, like we're not going to let all these people die.
All twelve of them. That have been there for generations. It seems like
I think they said that, yeah.
can't, like, maybe a couple generations, but like, if you have not enough people,
Mm hmm. You get a genetic problem eventually,
right, pretty quickly, yeah,
Yeah.
so,
Oh.
maybe the loaf is all Habsburg chins,
Oh, that's kind of sad. I hope they don't have any, like, hemophilia or
yeah, I don't, I want the best for these imaginary people.
Me too. Especially since they got a pretty raw deal.
They sure did.
They had to be in Crusade. Um, so
That's definitely the worst thing that happened to them. Well, well, that's an episode. We did it. We got through another one.
Oh, I forgot to give Mr. Eilerson his credit, though. At the very end, he calls home to IPX. And he records his report, and he makes his tattletale line to out Darina's people. But that he Thinks about it and deletes it to credits, And I don't think we have any ridiculous music for me to point out this time,
Yeah.
this time.
All right. Well, we agreed to do this rating system like two years ago, so we should probably do the rating system
Hmm.
of one to four main guns firing. Actually, I'm going to rephrase that with a maximum of four main guns firing,
Yeah. I don't think the bacon guns are firing Jaffer. I think they, that the uh, gunner has fallen asleep.
right?
I think he's out cold.
this the worst episode? I don't think we've given anything a zero before. I don't think either of us have ever given anything a zero and I think we're about to Double O this thing, aren't we?
the, the only time we have diverted from, you know, The scale like completely with not numerical stuff is either like this is the best episode or the fuck this episode, right?
Is this a, is this an inverse fuck this episode? Because the fuck this episode is a fuck this episode. Not because it's bad or terrible, but because, well, at least for me, it makes me feel things that I don't want to feel this episode makes me feel nothing.
Yeah. Yeah. What would that be?
This is like the clinical depression of episodes.
This is like, to me, for me, it's like, like white bread and I don't mean it in like the, the insult that colloquial in the world right now is, you know, just like
Oh no, this is a mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder Bread. This is bland as shit.
Yeah. It's just, there's no taste to it. It's kind of, you know how white bread, like when you squish it, it gets icky gross, like doughy. Like,
I don't want to sound like a pretentious asshole, but I don't eat a lot of American bread almost.
seen it. You've
I know what you're talking about. I, I, after, after I had the real stuff, I just can't eat our shitty American bread anymore. It's
I've never gone, yeah.
You have to, you have to just,
No, no, no, I mean, I've, I've never gone back.
Oh yeah. Once you start baking your own bread
Yeah.
or have access to a bakery that makes real shit, it just, it's just such a difference. So it doesn't last four weeks. Oh no.
Yeah. If it, if it takes you four weeks to eat it, like, that's.
Right. You don't like bread enough, I guess.
I heard one that was really good that probably other people who listen to this podcast have already heard this, but I hadn't heard it. And it's, that sounds like an ish you, not an ish me. I really liked that one.
Is that something the kids are saying?
Maybe cause I did get it from a high school teacher. So could
All
be the kids.
I don't remember that from this last year's PowerPoint presentations, but we had a lovely one given by uh, your podcasting partner on cool girls and my podcasting partner's spouse on last time on Gloria, um, gave one on all of the slang the kids are using these days
Yeah.
because she is also a high school teacher.
have to run this one by her. See if it passes the vibe test. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
that goes.
Yeah.
So, okay. So we're just, we're, we're, we're double O ing this thing. Are we going to make
I think
thing for the scale?
we're, just, we've compared it to a bunch of bad things like white bread. Uh, so I think this is it, man. I think we, we have diverted from the scale not to do something interesting, but to say like literally zero guys.
let's just skip this one.
It's bad.
were to watch, if you would only be able to skip one episode of all of Babylon 5, I'd probably suggest this one.
Yeah. You know, I, it reminds me of, I think it was an episode of next generation. Where a planet had made, but like a bunch of super soldiers and then the super soldiers like turned on them.
Isn't that where Tasha Yar is from or is that just a different episode?
I could, I don't know next generation well enough to like, make any any further
haven't watched Next Gen in like a long time, actually.
Yeah.
I'm almost done with my Voyager watch through. I'm getting there, I should go back.
The, the super soldier angle, I think was better done on next generation. Like this
on what's widely considered to be the, one of the best television shows of all time. Did it better than crusade? What?
really quick though, that there were some stinkers
there are for sure. Some stinkers looking at you code of honor, but
Yeah. I'm not sure if the super soldiers one is actually a stinker or not, but I remember something about this and uh, yeah, this is a plot line. I feel like sci fi has done in a couple of different places. And.
for sure, you don't have to. You don't have to hide that and better.
Yeah, I kind of made a face
Joe's not listening to our podcast. We don't have to worry about
Yeah, that's true. Sorry, Joe.
We're not gray 17 over here. We don't have to worry about that stuff,
no, that's perfectly fine with me.
right? All right. Well, we got another one next week
We got to do it
fucking end and there's no fucking end. And we've got the well of forever,
Oh, yeah, that sounds like a thing that could go on a while.
right? Galen persuades Gideon to seek a mystical crossroads. An investigator probes Matheson's mind.
Okay, that part I'm interested in.
Some post Psi War Psi Core stuff.
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm interested in anything happening with Matheson and the telepaths. Like, tell me more. I don't know that I'm interested in the mystical well of forever or whatever. The mystical well of whatever. God damn it, I should have said that.
Well, that's that. I'm, I'm not excited about this next episode. I'll be honest, but what I am excited about is to say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.
Yay.
Thanks, Jeremy. You're welcome. We really appreciate the shit out of you and everything you do. Love our theme music. Thank you so much for putting that together for us. You can find more of Jeremy's work at JeremySiegel42. Bandcamp. com or on streaming services as Nuclear Jaguar.
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Hey Aaron, we got a quick one for you this week. You're welcome. But also thank you for editing our podcast. Really appreciate it. Thank you.
Yeah, we do. The real MVPs. And thanks, listener, for being here with us. We're doing this for you.
Yeah. We're not doing it for us.
We know that you love Crusaded. You want to hear more. But
saw Ryan post on gray 17 about making a joke about them doing crusade today. Ryan from yum yum. I'm just all like, if only
Yeah. Yeah.
not, no, this is the only place you're going to find crusade and we're the only ones who dare.
Well, if you're wanting to make like serious pod. Mm,
Yeah, that's, yeah, it's not going to just watch Deathwalker again. Just watch Deathwalker 13 times. You'll be happier.
yeah, for sure, But you know what? If you wanna like join the conversation or just come hang out with some cool people, you can come, come to our discord. You can send us an email if you're more of an email person. We'd love to hear from you. I don't know if we're gonna do, like, a series recap with, like, a ton of thoughts. But if you have them, we'd love to hear it.
I have one scheduled for us. I don't, I, I, I don't know.
I don't know, maybe we'll get lots of the Crusade hate mail that's been living in people's chests for years.
hit, we have a S we have like a series recap thing as like the capstone on all, all of Babylon five together.
Uh Huh.
So maybe we'll just kind of fold those in,
Yeah. I think that we could get away with
maybe find something else to do for that episode.
You have three Crusade scripts.
We do have three crusade scripts. We might be able to, if we get a big group together, we might be able to do two readings. Maybe we can do the best or one. And then the finale we'll see. I gotta, I gotta put that fucking together tomorrow.
It, it's tough to choose when you have, okay, so, listener, just so you know, we have three scripts for Crusade. And remind me what the parameters were on those scripts.
So one is the episode that would have been the next one to air,
Mm hmm.
Which Would have taken place like four episodes ago in our watch order. And it was supposed to kind of make some more things make sense and kind of do some work to align the new watch order. Um, there's the uniform switch back to the old uniforms from the new ones in that episode and a couple other continuity fixing things. Um, there is an episode where they go to a colony and find Bester hanging out, who is a fugitive on the run from the Psi War.
Oh, I think we kind of remember that part of his plot line from our book,
Yeah, we talked about that in book club. So this is, this is him hiding out well before book club. This is not literary critic Al in
No. Yeah. This is before his final evolution. Yeah.
to see, we could see him there and then we have what was going to be the season finale.
I mean, all of those are tempting in a way because of everything, you know?
they're not super long, so we'll see. We'll get a group together. I have to do some plotting and some planning, and I have to reach out to some of our friends in the podcasting community. The what hopper, her network of podcasts. of course, you know, we're going to talk to all of our friends over. And all of the other podcasts launched and not because we've got two podcasts that are about to launch at this point. I won't say exactly the date, but I've got a date.
I do have a official start date for Attention Bajoran Workers right
All right
that's Victor's news to share. So I won't, I won't put it out right now. Cause I don't know when this airs in relation to that, but I would expect it to be very soon after this episode airs
So exciting.
and then cool girls. Mike gets screwed up because of Bethany's vacation. But we'll figure that out too. Uh, but cool, cool girls. Don't look at explosions. Also has like six episodes recorded at this point and is raring to go. So. Exciting things happening on the network front. So I don't think those podcasts should all be out by the time we do our script reading, I think, cause the script reading won't be until mid October, but we'll see.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to,
Okay.
that's it. We already said goodbye. I was about to, I was about to segue into, into thank yous again.
We've said all the thank yous, but we haven't said any, like, goodbyes
Okay. We should say goodbye. Hey internet. we've bathed in this, this exit. We've, we've taken it and thrown it over ourselves over and over again. It's a, it's absurd how long we've made the end of this episode. you
we're glad You stayed.
I feel like a lot of people, I know, I don't feel like a lot of people. I know I, when I hit the thank yous on a podcast, I skipped to the next episode. Well, it's just like, it's the end of the episode, right? Like, I mean, it's not like a malicious thing. It's like, I see there's two minutes left. They start the thank yous. I stop, I guess for this episode, they'll see the thank you start. See that there's like 10 minutes left and wonder what the fuck is going on.
The best thank yous.
Um, but yeah thanks so much internet for sticking around really appreciate. You'd be in here really appreciate the community that's developed around us making Dick and fart jokes about a show that I fondly remember from my childhood.
Mm hmm.
And as much as we make jokes about crusade being terrible, and it is, it is a hundred percent worth it to just be able to every Wednesday, see the discord pop off with people making jokes about how bad it is or or whatever else happens to be going on that day uh, in the community, I really appreciate getting to interact with all of you. And just being a part of It
It has enriched my life
a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
especially right now when I'm going through like that big life change of being a student again, it is very grounding to come and spend this time with you once a week ish.
This is something I was actually planning on asking you at the end, at like episode one 50, when we were done with this all entirely before we moved on to Battlestar, do you think you will go back and listen to, do you go back and listen to this podcast? Like, have you listened to like season one of this podcast?
I listened, I think through part of season one, but I don't know that I made it all the way through
Not as it was airing. I mean, like now, I
Oh, I haven't listened to anything.
wonder what that would be like.
To listen to our own podcast again.
Wow. Well, no, it's so like, I mean, I, I famously can't listen to my own voice. Right. I hate it.
Famously.
Yeah I'm known for it. If you look up a person who won't listen to themselves, talk on the internet, in the dictionary, that phrase, it's my face. but it's like, what an interesting microcosm that could be of our friendship.
Uh Huh.
Of us literally getting to know each other, like knowing, knowing each other now, as well as we do
Yeah. huh.
regularly outside of podcast, vacationing together, like,
Yeah.
like talking about trips and stuff, you know, being involved in each other's lives, especially now, you know, you podcast with my partner, um, you know, some of your other friends in your life are some of my best friends, like, We are like ingrained right now in each other's lives. And I wonder what we sound like back then. Sometimes I'm like, I'm not interested in like going and hearing me talk. I'm interested in hearing what we sound like.
Yeah. And it's so interesting, like, that the, the newly budding researcher in me is like, we put down a record of our friendship and its growth. Like, it's there forever until, you know, all the electrons die or whatever.
Right. It's crazy to think about.
Yeah, it really is.
All right. We'll see you next week, internet.
All right. Bye. Are we both high? Bye. Bye.
Are we both high?