BSG S2E8 - Fleet Gone Wild

Hello and welcome to Who Are You? This is a reasonably well done sci-fi watch cast hosted by two former strangers. Now friends who are currently watching 2000 fours Battlestar Galactica. I'm Jair,

And I'm Laura.

and we're here today to talk about Battlestar Galactica, season two, episode eight. Final cut.

Yeah, this is the holiday edition. Folks, we are recording this on Memorial Day

Yes, in Memorial Day lunchtime record that the, the elusive lunchtime record for us happens so rarely.

Yeah, we're, we're doing lots of things at lunchtime. Very few of them lunch. I, I suspect usually, yeah.

I don't know. I had like a handful of cereal for lunch.

Okay.

But I also had like half of a leftover burger for breakfast. So

That's a kick ass breakfast. Hell yeah.

I, I have entered a, a weight loss competition with a group of my friends. It's just like, it's a bunch of people who are like, we're just, we're just doing a thing. Memorial Day, labor Day, everyone's pitching in some cash. Whoever loses the most weight, percentage of body weight wins the pool. Right? Just like a little financial incentive to lose a couple pounds.

Okay.

But I had breakfast before weigh in, so I'm all like, heavy breakfast, light lunch.

No, I had a job that did those every year, like at New Year's time, new Year's resolution, and. Me being rather on the anti-D diet side of things, didn't enjoy that and seeing the, the company-wide emails go out about that. But there was also a girl who had been like a professional dancer who always did them, and she always won because professional dancers know how to not eat like nobody else.

Yikes.

Yeah. uh, trigger warning for like eating disorders, I guess.

I'm just planning on trying to get more exercise that's like it cut back a little bit on the, on the extra food, don't eat it, and then get a little bit more exercise, which I was gonna be doing anyways 'cause it's summer

yeah,

my body has that natural Mediterranean instinct to bulk up before winter real bad.

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that real European ness. Uh,

It's like you won't survive the winter and it's like, I've been to these countries in winter. It's not that bad. It's significantly worse here.

I mean, yeah, you're in Michigan, so Okay, I'll buy it.

Fucking nothing's growing in the winter here. It is barren. It is snow.

true. Yeah. No, we're pretty mild here most of the time, unless we're just like buried in ice, which is not what you want

Yeah. Well, I don't know how we can segue that into this episode.

Yeah, I've been thinking it about it for about a minute,

Yeah, I got nothing. Yeah, no segue. So we're just gonna move on and talk about season two, episode eight. Final cut. We probably should have talked about five a bit, because Babylon five is the show that we watched before this and Babylon five. Started this trope, this like embedded media in sci-fi trope is the first example of that. That I'm aware of.

Yeah, I mean, I can't pretend to have seen all of sci-fi,

Yeah.

it is striking when it comes up in Babylon five.

So that's fun.

yeah, I, I really enjoyed that part, like the. Remembering Babylon five, but Battlestar is just a much more stressful show.

Yeah, this, this we open on found footage of the Gideon Massacre with Marines firing into the crowd during Ty's martial law Declaration a handful of episodes, but fuck all that because we finally got Lucy Lawless. I.

I didn't even know, I didn't even notice this was Lucy Lawless.

Oh, I had been waiting for Lucy Lawless to come on this show.

okay. Zena, they had her as as a brunette, right? She was very dark haired. And that'll throw me really quickly. You throw

Note to self, if I ever need to disguise myself from Laura hair color dye my hair, put on different glasses, I will be invisible.

It's true though. It's true. Like that's how anyone can escape from me. No. Um, so she's blonde now and obviously she's just a little bit older, so didn't, didn't quite catch this, but I suspect Lucy Lawless is gonna be a going concern after this.

it's, she's not really uh, she's not gone by the end of the episode. And we learn, we learn the thing at the end of the episode. They don't, they don't hold it out on us. Whichever. Something I really appreciate about this show, sometimes when they're like, we're introducing a new silent and fuck it. We're just gonna tell everyone in the episode we're introducing them.

true. Like Simon was same episode and now we've got Lucy Lawless, same episode.

Now Simon, they're like, everyone finds out. He is a silent. In this one, we get another like miniseries Sharon Reveal where the audience knows she's a silo, but the crew doesn't.

Yeah, Now I'm trying to remember. Her name was Beers, right?

Deanna, Diana, there's no, I.

Yeah.

It's D apostrophe. A NNA.

I actually worked with a Deanna, spelled like this. Yeah, it's fun. I saw that in the, the closed captions. I remember now that you said her first name and went, oh, hey, I worked with one of those.

Yep. Beers gets called the colonial one to talk about her report criticizing the lack of charges against the Marines and the military in general, where Rosalyn and Papa dama give beers and all access passed to put a human face on Gala Acta, hopefully to calm some of the, uh. dissonance in the fleet at the moment.

Yeah, sure.

People are upset at the military for killing citizens still, so,

Weird.

Crazy.

She said when uh, they asked her where they got this tape that an anonymous patriot gave it to her, that just, that made me feel icky, silent vibes right off the bat. I wasn't, I wasn't suspicious of her at this point. And actually, I don't know if I was ever suspicious of her but. Like asylum definitely gave them that tape.

Yeah. Somehow

So yes, Rosalyn is standing behind the military for

Yeah. EV they're both on board to do this thing. They think it'll be good for the fleet. Uh, We cut over to Ellen, Ty. With our B plot for the episode with spooky writing to theme

Babylon five definitely did a spooky writing to theme. Right,

they had to have, right?

Yeah. There had to be at least one.

I mean, threat to murder to theme definitely sounds like Babylon five. So.

Right, right. No, Erin and I were trying to figure out what the spooky writing was Exactly, because it's not blood. Like that ain't blood.

is it like lipstick?

No, it ain't

cinnamon toothpaste?

Yeah, we were like, jello from the commissary, like it's very jelly looking. Oh, jam. Like grape jam maybe. I don't know. Just not anything.

Yeah, it's kind of out of place. not just paint.

right.

But yeah,

survivor count.

survivor count 4 7, 8 53 down two, which is Meyer and Zurich's, other Goon who died on cobol.

Yeah. Speaking of the, like within episode Silent Reveals, I was really thinking that Meyer was gonna be that like

I mean, still could be.

I, I suppose, but how do you

thing about dead characters.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then why don't we bring a lotion back on the board then why not? But it is like, uh, I don't, I don't know how you get that person back in when they were so higher profile, you know?

Yeah. I mean, you have them go do stuff with silences elsewhere. You have them do stuff on Caprica, like we have beers at the end of this episode. Um, or they're just a known CY quantity in the fleet. Like Sharon.

Yeah, I don't know. I will be curious to see if the show attempts one of these high profile deaths as a

It's a Cy.

silent. Yeah. We'll see. You don't get to tell me anything.

say a word. Uh. On the Raptor to Galactica from colonial One, Adama Rummages through some magazines, racetrack frowned. Remember, magazines.

Yeah, this is quaint.

This almost feels more archaic than the sailing ship a couple episodes ago,

More than like, do you remember magazines? But do you remember like the sci-fi magazines that had like the stories and then they'd have profiles on your favorite like show and actor and.

Yesterday was a friend of Mine's kid's birthday 13, right?

Oh

And so I'm like, okay, well we'll go get Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as a birthday present. That's a

that's probably the right age. Yeah, I think that's about when I read

13-year-old. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hitchhiker's guide. Let's, let's, this kid's already an avid reader, like this is perfect. Um, and so we go. To the bookstore near their house, which was also the bookstore closest to where I grew up

Okay.

and the wave of nostalgia I felt looking at the magazine wall yesterday, knowing how many times I had gotten a Star Trek, the magazine from there growing up, or a PC gamer, or a Nintendo Power or whatever.

Yeah.

It really, it really hit me in the fields, being in that bookstore yesterday.

I totally empathize with that. I really regret not keeping some of those sci-fi magazines.

Yeah. I'm sure my mom ditched him at some point.

I, I know I'm the one who ditched them probably. Uh, But yeah, and racetrack is just gonna ditch these. She's like, oh, sorry, commander. I've been meaning to throw those out. And it's like, why would you do that? Your whole world where these came from, destroyed, don't throw away the magazines from that world. Are you insane? They belong in a museum.

they belong in a museum. Yeah, for sure. Indiana Jones is gonna be looking for these in 20 years and will steal them from you and throw them at a British museum. So you gotta fucking keep your hands on 'em.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like capric in life or something, but it's like, can you imagine how much value that's gonna have to the next generation that doesn't know Caprica at all? Like they're gonna be fucking fascinated by these things. Keep 'em

yeah.

and and Adama's Got it. He's got that.

like I get it. It's probably super depressing for you to read,

Sure. Yeah. That's why you put 'em in a box where you don't look at 'em.

right.

Duh. Have you not been in my house? Yeah, yeah, yeah. but Adama also says here in the Raptor that anything that compromises ship safety, you are cutting.

Yeah, that's,

not keeping that.

I feel like he could have said that in front of the president and gotten a Of course. And not have to like do this on the ship afterwards.

Yeah. Obviously it seems obvious from a command position that you have to do this.

Like This is so important,

yeah. Yeah. And then we like cut over immediately to DOA walking them through the ship and showing them stuff like CO2 scrubbers. And I'm sitting there like, doa, do we really wanna show everybody like the workings of the ship that seems like it could compromise safety?

right? It's all like, here's how we have oxygen to breathe.

That seems like a problem.

So, I mean, admittedly the Cys probably have the schematics for this ship.

Yeah.

we know they do. They they knew where everything was on when they were on there.

hey, guess what though? I'm getting the feeling that not all our enemies are silenced.

Yeah.

Sometimes the enemy is us.

Oh yeah. That, that's very true.

Like, like sometimes humans fight each other, so maybe we shouldn't give other humans information about this either.

I was really excited for you to pitch me aliens on this show right then.

Oh, no, no. I'm feeling like we're probably not going in the alien zone. I, I

Yeah, I

I think

I won't say anything.

Okay. I mean, I will trust wherever Ronnie d wants to take me,

I mean, they are an original Battlestar. There are non-human, non-AI aliens

that's right, because the, the aliens made the Cys an original battle star. Yeah. Yeah. I think Ronnie d wants to play around with like, we are our own worst enemies a bit. And you don't introduce aliens to do that. Sometimes you wanna keep it. All very obviously human-centric. So I don't know, maybe we're gonna get him later, but I don't think it's gonna be here, so,

Starbuck and Lee are discussing the threat against Ty when Lee tells Starbuck she was removed from the suspect list because she doesn't know the Capric poetry that was quoted in the mirror, to which she recites the rest of the poem and then begs to be a suspect Again

do we remember what this said? I didn't actually write it

I didn't write it down either.

It was something about darkness and falling, and it seemed very, it reminded me of things I might have written when I was 13.

For sure. Uh, This isn't, like, this was published on uh, you know, live journal,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Live journal. A hundred percent. Yeah.

Or we put it on deviant art with like some, some art we also made

Oh yeah, for sure. You know, like you opened up Photoshop, you threw a like. Five inch black stroke on the lettering. You know, threw a bevel and a drop shadow on there, and then have a picture of you crying in the background. But it's obscured by the text, but not enough to like completely obscure the text. A hundred percent. That's on Dian Art,

Yeah,

poem. Oh, for sure.

yeah, yeah. I love it when she quotes author in verse at him, that was, that was really fun because he just, he does not know what an artist she really is. Does he? Yeah.

for someone who's all like, they play them like they're, even though they've only known each other since G acta, they play them like they were childhood friends sometimes,

Yes, a hundred percent.

and Lee does not know Starbucks as a person at all.

Yeah, it's really hard to like reconcile that the way they are two children together basically, and that he seems to know absolutely nothing. Like, has she even told him about Anders at this point? Probably

probably not. No.

Wild, wild. Yeah. So DoAll is still trying to do like the good steward like the uh, the museum walkthrough in the beginning bit when a bunch of naked people run through.

right. Like if beers in the camera, they like follow them into the pilot's changing room and it's just like decency, like I would expect this to just be not okay to film, generally speaking.

Right, right. I don't care how much you want the human side of things, like you can keep the human part of me that's clothed.

Chasing pilots out of the shower seems a lot more fleet gone wild than it does journalistic report and I'm not okay with it.

Yep. Yeah, I mean these pilots are kind of wild about it, right? Um, Kat says, does the hi mom thing, and then moons the camera, which I was just like, Hey, how is her mom on the fleet? Well, I guess she's not one of the original Battlestar pilots, is she?

Her mom might very well be dead.

Uh, It's true. She

I assumed her mom was dead and that she was just doing it for the bit.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought she was sincere. But if she's one of the ones that was like drafted into the fleet, which I think she is, right?

Yeah, she's one of the new pilots.

It's possible. She was just like traveling with her mom, and so she does have her mom. Because her mom was on the same ship when it all happened. Okay. Because it seems highly unlikely that an original pilot of Galactica would have their family left. That would be crazy. Yeah. Except for obviously Thes, because Yeah,

Well, they're both in the military. I mean, how crazy it would be. Is Ellen showing up for Saul? Like that's how crazy it would be for

Hmm. That's crazy, isn't it?

Yeah. Real crazy. What a cosmic coincidence, right? How utterly unbelievable it is.

Let's go ahead and give the actress props here for a, making me mad all the time, but also B, throughout this episode, she has very little to do actually. Like she, she doesn't do that much. She's, she's scared in the cold open, right? Scared to theme. And later she's gonna be like tied up on the floor.

Yeah.

But the whole time I'm sitting there going, is it her? Because she's just so damn suspicious. Like,

Yeah. Anyways after Kat shows her whole ass Lee. Promptly kicks them out of the locker room.

He is having trouble holding his towel steady as well,

He shows his whole ass to Starbuck, I think in this, in the

and it's like, it, it works the same as it did like. Two minutes ago when there wasn't a camera in your face. It's the same thing.

Same exact size towel. The towel does not shrink due to proximity to the camera, even though it might feel like it does

But he's thinking about it too hard now. That's the problem. It's, it's all in his, mind.

Huh. So we cut over to an interview segment with Ella. She talks about why she joined up in the military. Then DOA is helping with some equipment in the hallway when Gais walks by a few times until he's noticed.

God, he is the worst, isn't he? God. He just wants attention so bad. Like he is really upset that there's a camera and he's not the center of attention.

Yeah.

So he walks by those few times and then six pt. Says that we've gotta get her attention because we're gonna need her help.

She can help him. She's, she's a, she's a helpful person. Six PT thinks

Oh, no, I don't like this at all. Given what we find out about Ms. Beers,

Yeah.

I don't think six PT has good intentions for Gais at all.

Yeah. he can't interview today because he's too busy walking around aimlessly. But they'll, they'll interview tomorrow and, beers and Dee are both like,

Lucy Lawless. How tall is she?

I don't know.

We need to google this really quick because they do frame it like she's bigger than him. And then let's see, James Callis. Okay, so they didn't have to work super hard to do that, but five, eight's not that small, but yeah, Gais definitely has like a mousey feel about him though. He's like kind of uptight. Everything's a little like high intense.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. I, I agree.

time for Lee's interview. When he gets called out for offering the pilot special treatment, he doubles down. It's like, yeah, they do deserve special treatment. Fuck you. They've got a shit thankless job where they almost die every day. That is vital to the survival of humanity. Fuck off. Yes. They get special treatment when it comes to relaxing sometimes.

Okay. Yeah, I don't know how to argue with that.

Right? It's not even like she was coming for, uh. hammerhead or anything, right? I guess she couldn't because that would ruin the twist at the end of the episode,

Hammerhead.

hammerhead is the pilot who is responsible for the threats on tie. He's the pilot who was in charge of the Gideon mission because remember, they were so short on Marines that they put pilots in charge.

Right. And I, I don't know if it's just me and my easily fooled this and I forget faces, but I didn't recognize him as the pilot who,

These are the

was in charge of

he. He's in that episode and he's in this episode.

Okay. I, I needed that to be. told to be.

Uh, You know, he hasn't been in the background of a ton of episodes. We've, we never hear his call sign. I think it comes from the books or the scripts or something.

Okay. Because I, I did not recognize the name Hammerhead when you said it, and I barely, I didn't even clock his face when Aaron pointed it out, like during the episode of like, oh yeah, he's the pilot that was in charge of that mission. And I was like, oh, okay. Okay. So. Hmm. Yeah, I guess special treatment can only go so far though, Lee.

Yep.

Right? Okay.

Yeah. As we see Katz Viper has a mechanical issue. Tyro catches it before it's a problem. But Kat's yelling at him about it. Uh,

That was cat two. I thought it was racetrack. Ugh, man. I need them to like have their names on their shirts all at all times.

they do. They're on the

Nuts. Well, but they don't have the, they have their name names, not their call signs.

Kat's name is Kat. It's like her last name is Ka ka something.

Shit. Okay. I don't know. There's something too, Samie samie about it for me to easily distinguish people. Maybe it's, you know, like Star Trek. We have the different colors at least. So

and color coded for the audience. Yeah.

maybe I'm too spoiled by that.

Yeah. in an interview with Marine, it slips that tie's been threatened and Deanna kind of jumps on that for a minute. And then there is a big delegation headed to clown nine. All of the ships in the Flotilla are going to be represented and Adam's tie, he's going to represent Galactica.

This is such a bad idea. Aa, like, I'm glad it doesn't go through because it's such a bad idea.

Well, Adom is just like they're mad at you. They're gonna go yell at you and you're gonna fucking take it. Also, you'll get

that is a good idea if, if Saul can like actually just take his lumps, you know, like this is the thing I deserve, this is the thing I'm getting. I don't think Saul Tie can do that,

Yeah. I don't think you can either.

so that is not great. Oh man. So

away from the bar though. He gets told,

yeah, but we know he can't do that.

and we know that that's not what's gonna happen, but before he can go, there's a malfunction with the raptor that would've killed Saul and vented the cabin into space. Tyrell says quite directly, someone took a hammer to it. Like it wasn't working condition. Someone came by, smashed it up, and then was just gonna let him go off into space and get vacuumed.

Yeah, but thank goodness it couldn't even like get out of the hangar without this being noticed. Right. That that tells you right there, that's not somebody who's an expert in the mechanics of the thing. 'cause somebody who was like one of tact TE's men would be an expert and know that like, okay, if I do that then it's not gonna get very far. So I should probably like do a thing that's more subtle. We don't have a mechanic trying to pull this off.

Over on the memorial wall racetrack, lights a candle and gives a brief interview. A little snippet about the mentality the military trains you to have before going into battle. Hilo backs it up in interview before we cut to him visiting Sharon, who has blood on her hands and crying. Literal blood, not figurative, and also it's hers. This, I could have worded that better.

Yeah. Uh, Sharon is very background for this episode, but we know something's wrong with the baby, so I guess I do have to kind of maybe admit there really is a baby. Like I've been very suspicious this whole time.

I mean, I'm just gonna devil's advocate here and if. She is so aware of and in control of her body so much more than a normal human.

Did she do this on purpose?

I don't know. I am not answering your question about the existence of the baby. I am merely devil's advocating you on your changing viewpoint because I know, 'cause I know the answer, right? Like it, it has a definitive answer in the series. What's going on with this baby? Um, and WW slash r slash t it's existence. Um,

Right.

this, this plot line has an end that reveals whether or not she was actually pregnant at some point. And so I'm just, I'm just trying to uh, keep your mind open, I guess, rather than settle in on a definitive view.

Well the, the thing that was making me think like, and I guess maybe we can argue other points that maybe it doesn't exist, but I was thinking that like in this little plot line, she goes to dot coddle and we find out dot coddle saves the baby. So. Doc Coddle should be able to observe this fetus in some way. Right. And determine, yeah, baby. Like, and like my efforts are working or my efforts are not working. Right. So there's gotta be something in there, I guess.

That would be antithetical to everything we know about Cylance at this point with regards to their reproductive uh,

They seem really like, we want to, we can't do this ourselves. They've said that, but I don't know if I believe anything. Silence says so. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. But we cut to something even more bizarre

G of

where Yes,

him look so cool. Just like this sweet tattoo.

gada, what is going on buddy? He's like losing it. He's really stressed out.

Yeah. I mean, his mind is the only thing he'll lose over the course of this series, so,

He wonders if there's any more to life than this at this point. So he is already getting pretty dark. And it's just weird and I thought this was gonna be a one off thing, but I've also watched episode nine at this point, so I don't think it

Oh, gada.

Ugh. Speaking of things that keep persisting beers is on to. Colonel Ty,

yeah. She like pours drinks and hands him one, and he's just like, what the hell is this? And she's like, oh, we're just loosening up before the interview. And then she like sets hers down and then stares at him as she, he drinks his,

this man, he cannot avoid being set up.

he's kind of a doofus, right?

Yeah, I mean, he gets set up by Ellen all the time. earlier in this whole thing. We kind of skipped over the spot, but Ellen tells him like, you've gotta stand up for yourself. You've gotta go do this interview with her. Like, people need to, to know your side of the story, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he walks right into the interview, which was already kind of a dubious idea. And get set up with alcohol, like, don't be a fucking idiot.

he can't not. Be a fucking idiot.

Yeah. He's only right twice a day is what we've discovered about Colonel Ty. And it winds up being nothing but regret because what she gets maybe two questions in before he immediately regrets his decision, knows he's been set up and throws a fucking fit about it.

Yeah.

He like shoves her on camera. Bad idea.

Yep. He gets the fuck out of there. Next up is Starbuck, who is asked about what it takes to be a pilot. Adama says the tie in the Marine's punishment is living with their actions and another scene right after.

Yeah, he, he apologizes for Ty, but. beers points out that people apologize for Ty a lot.

Yeah.

And you know, he says like, I'm sorry, but it's war. We're up against this vastly superior force and I can't sacrifice anyone. but I have a feeling some people are gonna start sacrificing themselves.

Kat messes up three landing attempts in a row is very frazzled. This gets cut with frantic interview clips of her uh, when she finally lands. She's rushed to Med Bay and that's where they find her space. Cocaine slash caffeine pills.

Yeah. She's like, oh, the controls are messed up. I can't do it. Something's not working right. And it's like, eh, it's the controls between your brain and your hands, like you are. Not okay

a term for that in it.

Yeah. Do share

PCA

Uhhuh

exists between chair and keyboard.

Yeah. I have heard this one before, but I always like it. Yeah. Yeah, she's, she's the problem between chair and joystick. Right.

Mm-hmm.

But it's very dramatic in sick bay because not only are we taking Kat there for her drug problem, but also Sharon is flipping out.

Yeah. Yeah. The cameras catch a glimpse of Sharon and talk of a baby.

mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Uh oh.

Adama takes the camera tape here in Sick Bay, but we find that beers snuck it. Ooh,

Adama buddy, guy pal. This is the oldest trick in the book. This is the oldest trick in the book. I, I put fake thing for you to take. Well, I keep real

Yep.

Come on. Come on.

We cut over to Baltar's interview, but an alarm goes off when it's time to start two silent Raiders around a collision course.

This is very funny. I like to see Gais not get what he wants. Yeah, he's like running his mouth. And six PT is encouraging him to explain why he should run the fleet.

Yeah, make a

the worst idea. Like, okay, Adama definitely made a huge mistake in the very last scene, letting her get away and not like, Hey, empty all your pockets. Let me just have a peek inside your bra. Like, like, that, that was a silly mistake, but Gaas is gonna make. Many, many more silly mistakes. He's the worst. I, I don't know. I guess, I guess six. PT just wants chaos or wants a very malleable person up there. That's guy, right? Like. Uh, But yeah, guys can't keep their attention.

Yeah.

So we get shots of both CIC and the Viper Bay and all of the stuff going down.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a, it's a different light on how we normally experience this type of thing because we don't stay with the pilots at all. Normally, we get to go with the pilots and see them do the space battle, but to experience the space battle from the perspective of everyone on the ship listening to the radio, waiting to hear whether or not they're going to die.

Yeah. Which would be pretty accurate to the actual experience. Right? Like,

I would

Hmm. And we've, we've like intercut this also with Ella's interview where she tells them that, yeah, I told my dad last time I saw him that I never wanted to see him again.

Yep.

Lots of, lots of guilt there.

Mm-hmm. Eventually they get the all clear and we see them down on the flight deck, and CIC celebrate Adama let's out the, yeah. That gets,

Yeah, everybody's celebrating, but beers asks Ola, if this gets easier, the more you do it. And Ella's like, of course not you, fool. It's always harder every time it happens. It's harder.

Lee says any day that they don't lose someone is a good day.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Ty comes to his quarters to find Ellen tied up and not in the fun way. Well, I guess this could be the fun way. I'm not here to yuck Yums, but uh, there's a real lack of consent, and that's what I'm referring to.

Yeah, no. So two things here. I was really afraid for a second. That like he was walking in on Ellen and Tai having some role play with somebody and which I honestly could still happen,

Could still happen.

could still happen in this show because like her outfit, she's wearing like a Barbie outfit.

Yeah.

And tied up and there is like duct tape over her mouth. So that's not very cool. But I was like, what are you wearing, Ellen? Like if you think about the times that we see Ellen, half of the time that we see Ellen, it's like, are you wearing this to just like walk around Galactica? This this thing that you're wearing,

This is

wearing it to just walk around Galactica. Huh? Because she's not just sitting in her quarters the whole time. Right.

She might be she, you could tell me that Adama has low key, can find her to quarters, and I would a thousand percent believe you.

I mean, it seems like it might be useful to do that. Yeah.

Just like you don't actually like give the order to her, right? You don't tell her. You just have a guard outside their door and it's an emergency whenever she tries to leave. Sorry, man.

like somebody who's on Ellen Duty all the time on Galactica, and like if she does go somewhere, like she goes down to the cafeteria to get some food, like it's your job to be like her friend at that moment.

Make sure that she goes nowhere else.

There's a rotation.

Keep her away from Gaia altar.

Oh God.

Yeah. But yeah. So this is where we find out what's going on. It's the pilot Hammerhead. As we mentioned earlier in the episode,

I'm glad you told me his name 'cause I didn't know it. Yeah.

his Wikipedia page, like his Battlestar Galactica Wikipedia page, WIA page is so sparse it doesn't even list this incident.

Wow, that's super significant. Yeah, so we figure out it's him because beers is like editing her footage and notices one of the pilots has this book of poetry by guitarists, and that is significant.

Yeah. That's the poem that was written in the mirror in Jello from the commissary.

Yeah. Hammerhead like pours booze on him,

Mm-hmm.

and Ty, Ty has another like, broken clock kind of moment here, right?

Yeah.

He's like. Shoot me like, yeah, I was the one in charge. I deserve it. I, I got those people killed. Like he does the thing where he like puts the gun right to his own forehead and is like, Hey, go ahead. You know? And then, then he does his broken clock. He says, the Gideon was an accident. This is a choice. And that actually seemed kind of smart,

Yeah.

seemed, seemed kind of a, a good sum up of the situation. Yeah, it shouldn't have happened. There were lots of accidents in life that shouldn't happen.

Yeah.

And then he rescues Ellen.

Uh, In the Med Bay beers interviews Kat and she explains her shame and we cut over to reveal that this is actually them watching the eponymous final cut. Ty kind of lashes out against it, but Adama loves it for putting a non propaganda human face on the military.

Yeah, I think Ty, he's like almost in tears watching this.

Yeah.

I think it's because, you know, Kat is like letting out her shame and he can't handle that. Ty can't handle someone else like airing out their shame and healing because he's deep in the middle of his shame and he's can't admit it.

No. No, he can't.

but Adama's very proud of this piece. and beers has like a little touching monologue that goes over the end and such. Um, and oh, they, they have even, is this the original Battlestar Galactica theme again? There's very like rousing music.

so the original Battlestar Galactica theme is like the colonial, it's like the the military force theme song.

Yeah. It's very inspiring the way she's put this together, and she declares at the end that the mistakes are the exceptions. Like, yes, we know about the mistakes,

Yeah.

but every day they're putting their lives on the line and they're, they're doing a mostly good job, but that's not the end.

Nope. We cut over to Caprica where the cylon models are having a a little advanced screening of this before it hits too, and it's revealed that Deanna is a cylon.

Whew. That one was fast.

Yeah.

That one was fast. Uh, We have Doral, Sharon, and six in here with her. Right? I maybe Leo's sitting there, but he doesn't say anything for sure.

Yeah.

Of course Sharon wants to see the cut footage. And hey, she's really stoked. She's still alive.

Yep.

She says, I told you so. I told you she'd still be alive. I'd still be alive.

This kind of definitively puts S Hive mind as a theory to rest, doesn't it? The fact that this is news for all of them.

yeah. They, they had to smuggle this tape out

Mm-hmm.

to find this information. Like, so there's definitely not, like if there's some sort of silent cloud, it's location based, right?

It's location based or maybe it's upload based. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. 'cause we could have Sharon just like she could Sharon on. Galactic as that is, could be really a renegade and just not uploading to the cloud. But that doesn't seem

Yeah.

likely to me at this point. Like the other, Sharon is stoked for her.

Yeah.

They're very happy. The baby was saved.

Yeah.

Cool. Yeah. So this, this, um, this beers, this Deanna that we see, is a different Deanna for sure. Right? The,

Then the one that's on Galactica, like she didn't travel from the fleet back to Caprica. Yeah.

So she sent some kind of transmission to those two cys that jumped in, that they fought right. And then they transmitted back.

Something like that. Yeah, she might have had another way to get it out. They don't really get into it, so

I don't think she actually sent the tape. I think

that would probably be significantly more difficult

yeah.

to physically move the tape around.

I do not like that the fleet, Deanna still has the tape, like with Sharon and the baby and the stuff, because she did say to Adama that Sharon's presence and the baby could turn the fleet against him.

Yeah.

That's not great. It's still a going concern, I think.

Yeah,

Hmm.

agree. I think it is still a growing concern.

Alright, well how do we feel about episode Final Cut.

Ah, you know, I liked this one. I did not like it as much as some of the others. This season, and I do not like it as much as the of the, the, the Babylon five episode that this isn't an exact rip off of but kind of started this trope,

Uhhuh.

I feel like is a bit better of an episode as well. And I, that's not really fair to take points away from this episode for that. But fuck it. I do what I want. Um, so I'm gonna go ahead and place this at a, a nine,

Uhhuh.

I think it's a solid episode. Nine outta 12.

Yeah, I, it's a solid episode. I do feel better when we just go ahead and. Call asylum Asylum rather than me sitting in the background, like making a list and guessing. Um, but maybe it's just the bias of it having been first, I did feel like I liked the Babylon five episode a little better. Um, remind me when the Babylon five episode turns out, that is a bit more of a negative propaganda spin. Yes.

yeah, because that's a lot more of ISN setting up Babylon five as a problem. A lot more of the isolationist stuff that they're trying to push at that point.

Yeah. Our main characters don't feel good about it at the end, the way Adama feels good about this I was a little afraid. That we were gonna get more negative feelings, but I think Battlestar Galactica has to balance our negative feelings and our positive feelings

Yeah.

very much so. So I was pleased to see like, oh, it's, it's okay. It's not a huge propaganda piece to make them look bad, but I think that's because we're gonna wait for another shoe to drop later.

Yeah.

So yeah, I, I'm with you. I give this about a nine. It's not a bad episode of television. I was riveted the whole time, but I do have very fond memories of the first time I saw this. So,

Yeah. All right, well next up we got season two episode nine, flight of the Phoenix. I believe I described this to you as Star Trek Voyager did it

Uhhuh.

two weeks ago.

Yeah. Did we actually talk about what Star Trek Voyager did?

no.

Okay.

just remember the Delta flyer and that this is the one where Teel builds. A fighter.

Yes. Yes. So when I watched this, I have already watched Episode nine folks. I was thinking, okay, what did Star Trek Voyager do? And the second Terrell started building a ship. I was like, oh, it's the Delta flyer.

Yeah.

But this is a cool, a cool episode. I liked it. So

Well, I haven't watched it in a while, so I'm looking forward to it. We got Sharon inform a DAMA that the Galactica has been infiltrated with a computer virus. Tyrell decides to start building a new fighter.

Mm-hmm. Our man, Tyrell,

Yeah,

love to see him work some stuff

yeah. There was a ton of other stuff in the episode description. This is one of those ones that was two paragraphs. I cut it down to that.

There's a ton of stuff in the episode. I finished that episode and thought, oh great. Everyone keeps saying 10 is very dramatic, so, okay.

10 is very traumatic before it hits theme. That's how traumatic it is.

God. Okay, well we might watch that later today. We shall see. Holidays are uncontrollable. Sometimes they do their own thing.

All right, well, before we get to 10, we'll get to nine, but before we get to nine, we gotta say some thank yous. Jeremy. Jeremy Siegel. Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com. Thank you so much for our theme music. We appreciate the hell out of it and we appreciate the hell outta you.

He's just a real music man. Jeremy Siegel. It's amazing you love to see it.

very talented.

And also talented is our angry duck time machine on Instagram for our podcast artwork.

And also talented, our wonderful editor. Aaron, thanks so much for all the work you do. And we know that we lost our audio feed halfway through this one, so

Yeah. Oops. Doing the, the real hard work of the podcast are the editors, all of them. We appreciate and love every editor who does one of our shows, but especially Erin for this show.

Yeah. All editors everywhere.

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