Hey listener, quick content warning. This is the one where we have the dream sequence where Adam drowns a baby. We're gonna talk about it. If you don't want to hear us talk about it, I don't blame you to be perfectly honest. It's jarring as fuck. Uh, So we'll just catch you next week. No worries. Uh, But we just wanted to give you a heads up that that's this episode.
Hello and welcome to Who Are You? We're a reasonably well done sci-fi watch cast by a couple of friends who are watching 2000 fours Battlestar Galactica. I'm Laura
And I'm Jair.
and Jennifer. I have a question.
Oh, what's up?
Is. This episode, kind of like season twos 33.
It feels that way, doesn't
It was pretty suspenseful.
It was
like suspense.
So, um. I think I mentioned it a while ago that I had picked up the Mark Altman, book about the making of Battlestar Galactica.
Right. Uhhuh.
Um, this is the guy who did, if you see those like, 50 year journeys or whatever, there's these two volume Star Trek book that's like seven, 800 pages. There's these massive things all about the making of Star Trek from. Pre TOS through to, I think it ends sometime around the JJ Abrams movies.
Oh, okay. So it goes that far.
I think, I think it goes that far. I don't think it makes it to Discovery, but I haven't read them. But I remember them being out for a while at
Oh no, I've seen this thing. Yeah. Yeah.
so in 2018 he went and did interviews with. Everyone he could for Battlestar Galactica original and remake
Mm-hmm.
and I have started reading this just home, it's gotta be seven, 800 pages.
Wow.
I got super lucky. I found a used copy online for $12. If you look at this thing on Amazon, it's 120.
Ooh,
It's, it's been outta print for. Seven, eight years
Yeah. Yeah.
and it's never gonna get a reprint. And I got a first edition hardcover for 12 bucks just by SC and used book sites. So thrift books love that shit.
In, in a couple of years. Can I borrow that?
for sure. I am actually hoping to be done with it before I see you this summer.
I know, but I can't take it from you this summer.
Oh yeah. Oh no, actually I can,
spoily
I can actually tell you for sure because I started reading, I did, I skipped the original making of the original Battlestar stuff 'cause I wanted to get to things that we could talk about on pod. And I did, I started reading this book yesterday. I read about a hundred pages.
Okay.
cause I, I read very quickly.
I imagine there's some stuff in there that we can talk about. Yeah.
there's stuff about this episode.
Oh, well that's handy.
Specifically about the, like wizardry of the set crew to move, like, so when they built the Battlestar sets, well, when they, when they started making the show, a lot of the things were, whenever Star Trek turned right, were turning left because a lot of the feelings of this show from Ron Moore were a very coming out of a very negative experience leading being Star Trek,
Mm. Yeah.
and, uh, man, everyone has talked shit about Rick Berman in this book. It's so great. Everyone hates Rick Berman. people are talking about like. Just like I hear Steven Bayers just all like, man, you know, like Brandon and, and Ron. They're great dudes. It's, it's a, you know, the Voyager almost caught them, their friendship. They, they had a really tough time adjusting to different things and what Ron wanted to do and all these things.
Ron was talking about doing, about Voyager sustaining damage and keeping damage about Voyager, meeting up with like an alien flotilla and having to escort them through space and stuff, and. You know, at what point does their culture stop being starlee? Should they have elections? Like why is Janeway just always the captain and unquestionable and all this shit? And I'm just all like, this is all Battlestar. Every single thing he wanted to do in Voyager, he did in Battlestar.
Yeah,
But one of the things. Yeah, they, and they like down to how it's shot. Like they're talking about how Star Trek does, like the establishing shot of the room, the twofer, the closeup on one, the closeup on the other, the twofer, the establishing shot, like they do, they followed this pattern and how they tried so hard in their set design to break these patterns to, to make it so that you could do the West Wing style.
That we see so much of, and because of that decision early on led in this episode, a lot of their hallways were very modular
Yeah.
so that they could dress up one hallway 20 times by just moving the set pieces around very quickly, which
There's a lot of
afford to make this episode.
Yeah. No, I, I can definitely see a difference visually. Just thinking about it, it, it almost seems like, I don't wanna say reality TV 'cause that's not quite right, but some of the shots feel very like reality too intimate or not, not staged in the way that Star Trek feels staged. You know what I'm saying? And especially when we go through a lot of, lot of suspense and chaos in this particular episode. Should we tell the people what episode we're discussing?
we're watching season two, episode two, valley of Darkness.
Not quite as like, gripping a title as 33. Like 33. You wonder what's going on. Like,
I mean, valley Darkness is not a happy title.
It's not a happy title, but it, it's not as like, huh, what's happening here? I, I kind of know something's dark.
Yeah. Something's got for sure. Billy. It gets shut down by d in our opening here.
Yeah.
As power immediately goes out on the Galactica, gada says this is a residual effect of the virus in the system. As LSO Captain Kelly let CIC know that they have been boarded.
Billy really got hit below the belt here in this opening scene.
Billy gets it rough here. Uh, Not that he doesn't deserve it, because if we remember his last interaction with Dee was effectively using her for information for the president.
Uh, Yeah. Their last like, romantic interaction, right? Yeah, that's true.
And he's on this ship right now because his boss is in the brick.
Yeah, I wasn't clear like, why is Billy on the ship? Is he on the ship? Like he's not in the bri with her.
Yeah.
So why did they bring everyone over? Did I miss something?
Um, I mean, they did talk about how they had to cut into, colonial One, so maybe there were some worries about mechanical issues uh, on the ship
not sound anymore. Yeah.
Maybe, maybe not as many people should be on there. And Billy volunteered, um, he might've just gone with Rosaly because of. Him being the chief of staff or whatever, the page or assistant, whatever his
almost seems like Ty should have like locked him up somewhere though, right?
I would think so.
I, I would think Ty would do that. Yeah.
I think if he's on the ship, he's in the break for sure. But maybe, just in a like. I, I, I, I don't know why you'd want Billy running around doing the president's business on this ship,
Talking to your people. Yeah.
yeah, like, but that's probably what he'd be there to do if he was not in the brig. I don't understand that decision, but, you know, uh, Ty fucks up a bunch, so
Yeah. I mean. We get Ty in this opening, just like staring at Adama wishing he was Adama or that Adama wasn't there and he was there instead of Adama. Like
Mm-hmm. Yeah. He's just in sick bay as all this goes down.
he's so out of his element. and the pilots come home.
Yes, they're all celebrating because they blew up the thing and they're all happy,
Yeah.
Apollo and the nuggets, find centurions to theme, so their enthusiasm quickly fades.
Yeah, Lee kind of knows something is wrong because he's like, we let one through. You should not celebrate. He says that to his pilots and like, we are going to look to see what's going on. Maybe it's the power goes out. I can't remember exactly. And yeah, they stumble on the centurions.
Cat hotdog and Apollo are saved by Marines with their last explosive round. They head to the BRI to get the president to safety while CIC warns the fleet, or at least attempts to warn the fleet before communications are killed.
Yeah, so remember how we needed Doc Coddle really bad.
Yeah,
We can't even let him on the ship right now. like
It's like episodes before a DAMA sees do coddle.
It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We've had one episode where they were just trying to get back to the right area of space, and now we've got episode two where they're trying to get the battle bots off the ship,
Yeah.
disable all the battle bots, like just wild.
Apollo gives Billy a side arm and tasks Billy along with Vermer, the np, Verner Vener
Oh wait, how did they get to there?
they, they went to the bri. That was, they're like, okay, well Lee knows the president's in the brick because he's got the adjoining cell, right? So he is like, okay, so let's go make sure the president isn't dead and get the president to safety.
Yeah. I wanna see a like. Ship plans or blueprints. And so I know exactly where the BRI was compared to this action. Like they make it seem like the, the BRI is in between two points that the cys are interested in or something. And so because Rosalyn and Billy like hear gunfire in the bri, so they're close.
I mean, it would make sense to put it kind of in the center of the ship so that you could get people there from anywhere quickly.
That's a good point. And then like they can't easily be sprung from the middle of the ship. Right. If you have your bri along the hull or something, that could be a problem.
I mean, you might want that so you can space them easy, but that's a whole other thing.
Yeah. That's a whole
the Roslyn Special Break next to an airlock
And it's the gunshots that gets Rosalyn to convince the guard to let her out
yeah.
because like we are all sitting ducks here, but maybe if we can get moving then we might survive, so,
Lee sends them to Sik Bay because it is the safest place on the ship. He, he rattles off a couple of reasons really quick. It's enclosed, it's meant to act as a shelter, like,
Okay.
yeah. Okay. Sure.
I'll buy it. It seems urgent. We go somewhere
Yeah. Uh, Sik Bay's actually made out of entirely the black box material, so it's meant to survive in case the rest of the ship gets blown up.
Okay.
That's an, that's an old Seinfeld joke.
Why, why don't they make the planes out of the black box material?
'cause it's too fucking heavy. Not a concern in space.
True. Yeah. If you don't have landing craft, right.
They decided to head to an arm's locker to look for more explosive rounds, and this is when we cut over to Caprica, yellow. Starbuck and Hilo tried to figure out a way off world.
She's so mad.
God, the look Hilo gets when he says that he was one step ahead of the cys. A plus. Katie sack off. This is the best acting. Ever. Just like I, like, I mean, suspending disbelief aside of sci-fi and robots and all of that. I was so bought in to, she was sick of his bullshit from this one look. Perfect. Just like, oh, one step ahead of the silence, Uhhuh.
Uh Huh. Yeah, he's, he's starting to put together like all the little cognitive pieces that he had missed and having to like unravel, like, wait, no. I think he doesn't even like get it, that like, he's like, she was so real, like, like our Sharon, and he's not like. Making the next step to like our, Sharon wasn't real either. Like Yeah.
Versus Starbuck who the second, she's like, oh, shit.
mm-hmm.
Immediately knows that boomer's a problem.
But I guess maybe Hilo wouldn't really have enough information at this point. Right? Because he doesn't know there's 12 models of Cy.
yeah, his thing has been that the silences have cloned humans.
Uh huh.
And are making them do their bidding somehow. Not that these are actually just Cy.
right. He, he can't know that like, oh, there wasn't a real person that Sharon was based on, like, this is just. Sharon Sharon's our all cylon. He can't really know that with what he's been given on that planet. Yeah. But he is mad at himself. He's mad that he fell in love with a machine. Um, and she says that the CYS make them all look like idiots. I.
After this ties back in CIC uh, he knows the silence plan. He, you know. Had done some shit, you know, first silent war, et cetera, et cetera. He's all like, no, they're going to auxiliary gun control and auxiliary damage control because on this type of ship, those are not particularly well protected sections. And from there you can vent everyone on the ship into space and then kill everyone else around you. That's the plan.
Yeah, that sucks. I mean, I'm glad he's here to know that I, I didn't realize he was like putting things together from his past experience. I thought they were just like all. You know, like techno babbling together and then suddenly we know the thing and we explain it to everybody.
No, he, he looks at like the path that they're heading in and is and says, I've seen this before. Like, I know exactly what they're trying to do right now. This is old s maneuvering. This is
Yeah.
this is not fancy new cylon shit. These, these chrome domes aren't that much. I mean, they're, they're deadlier. They got claw hands. They're gonna wolverine your ass, but they're not that much different than the silence he had previously encountered.
Yeah. We can't have flashbacks of whatever that was when he. Felt that happen before, because we just flashback to all the mustache Adama in the episode before, so
Yeah, we don't even see him in the military before.
Yeah, that's true. We see him after military. Yeah.
yeah, he gets reinstated, like they use those words, but who fucking knows
Yeah. So over on cobol, we have Gais again at the Raptor one crash site, and he's back to Christing and hallucinating Adama. This time
yeah. Adama just comes in on this dream sequence, pulls a snit ski and just drop, kicks this baby into the river.
so GaiS thinks he's holding this baby. That was like revealed in the last episode. Right?
Yeah.
And I. Adama asks to hold it and says, is this the shape of things to come? He asks him that, and I think Gaas answers in the affirmative, or maybe he doesn't answer. I can't remember exactly.
Yeah. He, it's, I think he says something like, that's my understanding,
Yeah. Yeah.
because I think he said the same thing to six earlier. Like two episodes
he asked. Yeah. This is the shape of things to come. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
And Gais, I guess, is like bought in at least later in this episode. It makes me think he's bought in, um, into the robot baby because Adama goes to drop, kick the baby into the river. He's like chasing after him desperately pleading not to do the thing he's gonna do. I'm so confused.
Yeah. Adama, gets all biblical, but forgets the basket. it's uh, it's pretty, it's, it's very jarring. I mean, it's supposed to be jarring, like the whole point of like, you know, it's a dream immediately because Baltar is not in the woods and Adama is there immediately. They just showed us him in Sik Bay right before, you know, like, that's fresh. That wasn't an accident. That was, that was to remind us where he is. So that way when we see this, we know it's a dream before it gets started.
right.
And so when Adama just takes and. Drowns this baby,
Yeah,
which we should probably throw a content warning on this episode. Actually,
This whole show is a big content warning. Like everything Battlestar Galactica, just assume something messed up is gonna happen.
we haven't even gotten close to the worst of it.
Oh, yay. So it seems like. Maybe the stream sequence is all metaphor too. Like
Yes.
there's another drop for you that, you know, it's, maybe it's not even about real babies. Like we know that Sharon supposedly had gotten pregnant and there's real robot human baby happening there, but. It feels like six is warming gais to the idea of like, we can live together maybe in a sort of new human evolution.
Do the thing instead of all of this happening before happening again, maybe.
Yeah, I don't know, but, but Adama will be a roadblock to that. He will not accept this idea.
no, no. no. Adama is not down for the shape of things to come.
yeah, so like, maybe you should consider that Gais and he wakes up with six PT there and he is totally crazed.
Yeah, he is hysterical. Um, I. And in the very literal sense, just like freaking out cannot be calmed down.
Yeah. He's like, he's, he drowned our baby or something. I think he says. And uh, have you ever woken, like totally crazed from a dream?
Um, I think we, we, if we talk, I don't really dream.
Yeah, you have mentioned that before, so you haven't done it then. I guess
not, not that I recall.
I've, I can remember one occasion very vividly,
Okay.
I had like hallucinated that a giant spider had come down from the ceiling, like, and landed on my pillow
Yeah.
right in front of my face and I about ripped. Like Aaron's arm off, like crazed gaas, but mumbling a yelling about a spider, like
Yeah.
real.
I don't know that I, I've had dreams where like, they are so stark, it wakes me up and then I do not get back to sleep very easily. but most of the times when I have a dream, it's my workday and I go to work and I work all day. And then I, when I'm getting ready to leave work, I wake up and then I have to go to work.
Yeah, no, my, my brain is working through some shit and it's doing it in graphic and colorful ways in the night. Yeah.
Um, I'm jealous. Incredibly jealous.
I don't know, man, I don't think he should be.
you say that, but, I feel like I'm missing out on like a third of my life by not dreaming.
Aw.
Like, like really? I, I, I'm in, I'm very jealous. One of the highlights of my morning is when Beth wakes up and I hear about her dreams because I get to experience that kind of, you know, sensation and feeling secondhand. I, because I don't get it personally, very rarely. Um, you know, maybe once every couple of months I'll have a very mundane dream and then maybe every couple of years I will have a like vivid out there. Dream.
Huh. Wow. Yeah, no, I'm working through a lot of stuff all the time. Like you shut off the, front end here.
Yeah.
You shut off the front end. It's no longer operating, and then the back is just like working away. It's like we gotta, we gotta work through this stupid thing that Laura said at 2:00 PM
Remember three weeks ago when you saw Spider, when you were doing laundry? What if it was giant?
Yeah, so Gaia's Gaia's front end is also been. Deactivated and the rest is going crazy. Um, he says that scripture is a coverup for savagery when they like see human skulls all around them.
Yeah, cobol apparently real big on the human sacrifice.
That's what 60 BT tells him.
Yeah, I mean, all that has happened before
Mm-hmm.
and will happen again presumably.
I don't know how much I trust the history that six PT is dropping here, though. I don't know.
That's very fair to question.
Did she just make it up? What data was she trained on? I don't know.
Yeah. Right. With six PT. Just trained on a bunch of conspiracy theorists and Twitter posts. Trash ai. Get it outta here. Garbage in, garbage out. Uh, Lee and crew make their way to the arms locker over piles of bodies to find very few explosive rounds left. Another team must have come by and grabbed some.
Okay. There's a lot of bodies in this episode.
yeah. I mean, we see like there's like 40 dead people, which is a lot when you're in the tens of thousands.
Yeah. And they're, and you presumably, like your whole population is in the tens of thousands. Right?
Yeah.
Only a fraction of those are your military people.
Yeah.
So that is crazy. And so they, they get into this arms locker, the keypad doesn't work, but they, they manage to get in and they come along. This man called Gmer. And he's, he's alone with a lot of dead people in this arm's locker, and I do not trust Jamer. I am, I am worried about cylon here.
that's fair.
Uh, he's a panicky mess, which,
to be, yeah, I think you're supposed to think he's a silent, because how could he have survived?
And they set up the same thing later in the episode with someone else. Uh, But yeah, I, I don't trust Jamer even though he is a, a very understandable, panicky mess. Like, I don't think I would necessarily be handling things better than Jamer in this moment,
I I think if you're handling things well, You're either very, very compartmentalized or you need help so badly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're that compartmentalized, you should see up.
Yeah. So I don't know, but I, I definitely, you know, if I've got my, like, possible cylons list, jammer's
Yeah. Jammer's name is on it.
Yep.
on the list of Laura.
So Star BE'S breaks into her old place. I guess she lived near Delphi. Who knew?
Yeah.
I.
Yeah. Uh, We see her place, we see paintings of hers for the first
Yeah. Lots of big,
This, this will come back. Uh, There's a giant mural in her living room
Uhhuh.
that will, is important. There's like stuff written along the side of it. It's important. Um, it's not supposed to be important yet, but
it will be,
It will be, they'll bring it back. Don't worry. Uh, It's, it. Just remember that painting. Set it aside for later.
Yep.
she listens to a recording of her dad playing piano, find some cigars and waxes poetic about her life before the fall of the colonies compared to after.
Yeah. So I guess this is probably how we're gonna get more cigars on Galactica eventually. Right? She's bringing 'em back.
She did take a box with her. We see it. She's carrying one
it's. It's nice to see us refill the torpedoes. You know, Voyager's thing about like, well we just got torpedoes. Well, Starbuck has a reason to have cigars. Yeah.
Yeah.
so she tells Hilo that she never missed any of this. Everyone is fighting for what they had, but she's just fighting because she likes fighting.
Mm-hmm.
And do you know what this music was that she puts on?
No.
So apparently it's Philip Glass
Okay.
and we keep playing it a little bit through the episode. I think like it, it's, we go back to Galactica, I think, and we're still hearing it.
bear McCreary at this point is doing all of the music for the show
Uhhuh.
and there is nothing on accident.
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's all, it's, he's so
Yeah. This Philip Glass was really good. I was like, man, I'll, I'll look that up. I'll listen to it. But I think, I think Aaron said it's maybe one of the only things that wasn't him. Like maybe it's the only thing that wasn't Bear McCreary. Yeah.
uh, spoilers, um, The, uh, president's cohort runs into D
More dead
a very, very bad day. Yeah.
So many more dead bodies.
So many more dead bodies. D is full on traumatized
Yes. So interesting that Rosalyn, like as Billy is trying to reach Dee and, and like Dee Dee, listen to me Rosalyn says, try petty Officer Doa and that does snap her out of it.
Yeah,
So weird. Yeah. But, and the corporal who I believe he was the guard and he's been traveling with them. Is that right?
Werner
I didn't catch a name. I just caught the title of Corporal. Yeah.
I just know it from the, uh, subtitles.
Oh, okay. Yeah. He's struggling, responding to her as well, seeing all these, these, dead bodies.
Yeah, it's a lot.
'cause I think we're, again, we've kind of set up this person here alone with all these dead bodies. Could they be a asylum? And also she's acting weird 'cause she's not able to speak. Oh, is she a silent? But then also this corporal can't speak either. So like, I don't know. Can't think either.
Are they all silences?
Or is nobody a silent? Oh my God,
That's not the case. Spoilers. Um,
yeah. There's more silents here somewhere. I'm sure.
Up in CNC we learned the silents have cut through the hole to prevent being followed in certain places. Uh, And this is when Saul calls out to smoke 'em. If you got 'em just like, uh, Well this might be it.
Nothing between the last two silos and those safeties.
Yeah.
Oh.
Can't you just like. Plug that networked computer in or something to prevent this gada. Don't you have a cord from that computer running to your terminal right now? Can't you just delete that terminal or some shit real quick?
Right. Get the network computer on to take it down.
Just like you don't have to do all of them, but just that one.
Yeah.
Uh. This is when we go back to cobol, the chief and Kelly yell out some of their frustrations working their way back. Sinus is too far gone for the medicine at this point, so they move from trying to keep him alive to double dors Moora to ease his pain.
This sucks. There's so much here that sucks.
Yeah.
You know. Obviously Callie and Terl have been through a lot just to get this stuff back right. And S's position is, is real bad.
Yeah.
but crash down is a freaking coward. you know, he's been all like I am in charge. And the second, like some chips are really down. He's like, no, Tyrell, he's your man. You make the decision.
Yep.
Which on the one hand, like, okay, maybe, maybe Tyrell might feel like, yeah, I do need to be the one that makes the decision. But all this time you've been like, I'm the big dog, and now you're like, Nope, nope, nope. Not the big dog here.
Yeah. No. No, not when they're not. When I might feel bad about my decision. Either way, I'm gonna feel bad about my decision, so I don't wanna make it. No,
Yeah, I'm mad at crash down for this.
that's fair.
So yes, Tyrell decides that if the, he doesn't wanna believe the medic at first, that there's no way he can be saved, but he does decide that this is his man, he is gonna do this, and he like lies to him about rescue as he gives him the drugs. Just so very sad. This sucks.
Yeah. yeah, it's bad. Apollo calls into CIC and happens to hear, uh, where he needs to be. Uh, like he happens to be in the area of the ship where he might have a chance at saving them.
Yeah, they're like between the silences and the decompression. Safeties by
so so Ty's just like, you need to fucking get there. Right Fucking now.
Yeah.
The, uh, president's group gets stuck 20 meters from Sikh Bay here, and they run into the aforementioned decompressed hallway uh, which is why they can't open up that door. So they have to pass through, aft damage control the silence target in order to reach Sikh Bay.
Cool. Yeah. And we are finding all this out as also Billy is like showing the audience that he is not capable by sticking the gun in his pants without the safety on.
Y.
Yeah. Like we have VIN here and he's got the training and a gun and that's great, but our other dude with a gun is not good at it. Does Dallah even have a weapon at this point?
Um, I don't, I don't think so given she's like trying to give pointers on how to use the weapon to Billy, which was weird. You'd think, I mean, maybe she is just too, too traumatized at the moment, um, to, to
a steady hand or, yeah.
but that would be my, if I were Billy here, like
maybe you should
maybe you should have this. It's not even like It's got an explosive round, they're not gonna do anything.
what, what a vivid and perfect way to tell the audience that like, this fool should not have this thing.
Yeah,
It's perfect.
yeah. The uh, you're gonna shoot your dick off on accident is, uh, big warning signs.
So Owen was like in the room while we watched this episode. He kind of does his own thing when we're watching Battlestar. He's not super interested in it, but at this point, as I was like pausing to write my notes, I was like, Owen, never stick a gun in your pants.
Yeah.
It's, like important life lesson right now.
it's, it's never cool.
Never do it. Never, never do it.
Lee and team cover outside of AF Damage Control as both groups here gunfire and screaming in the distance. Lee quotes, his dad gotta roll the hard six and then says he doesn't know what it means. I have been convinced I know what it means for forever, and I don't know if that's a spoiler for later or if it's something that I had already made up by the time this episode aired.
I mean, I've heard people talk about rolling a hard six before, like in context, that weren't Battlestar Galactica.
I, I do believe it comes from this show.
No, really, it's nothing to do with craps.
No, you, no, you don't. Six is not a, you don't, no, that's not in craps.
I don't know. I just thought maybe craps has a ton of rules that I don't understand 'em all.
Fair enough. So I have always been under the impression that rolling the hards six is when they do the flippy thing in the ship because you press the nose down at six o'clock. Right to flip the
I think we have talked about this before. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. He, well, we've heard it before and I always assumed that's what it meant. And I don't know if I am now remembering something that happens later in the show or am, uh, just hadn't come up with that answer, apropos of nothing at some point.
Huh, okay. According to Google ai, which, eh.
Fuck that, but what do we got?
It says in the context of Dice game craps. So,
Oh,
uh, Rolling a hard six means rolling a six with two dice, specifically a pair of threes.
Okay.
So, I don't know. Could be right, could be wrong, but I was like, I feel like, I feel like it's craps.
Scroll down just a little bit.
Uh, There's definitely a Reddit about Battlestar Galactica, which I am not scrolling too far
Oh, okay. That's fair. Don't, Yeah. yeah, Why'd you Google it? Why that's safe space?
Well, okay. Urban Dictionary also agrees with, with the Google AI that the phrase originates from craps.
Well, it's probably not agreeing with so much as it was
Google AI took it from Urban Dictionary. Yeah.
Yeah. turning the tables when the pursuer, when being chased is what the Battlestar Galactica one says.
Oh, I mean that's probably referring to this episode then, right? Because we're like trying to turn the tables on these silents and no longer be chased because this, we're about ready to have our like last stand.
Okay, so. I see the quote attributed to Adama, but also referring to craps in the same sentence because apparently rolling a pair of threes paste seven to one, which is good for craps.
Yeah, it has a ton of rules, right?
It's almost like it's designed to be archaic, unknowable, and unwinnable on purpose. What a casino game, what. No one knows how to play Bach. I don't want to hear it.
I don't even, craps is my limit. That's, I find craps interesting to watch. I don't think I would find Bette interesting to watch just based on the name.
I think most things aren't interesting to watch, just generally speaking.
Okay. But this last stand is interesting to watch 'cause we have, jamer and Lee like setting up for their last stand. Jamer is clearly like not, also not qualified for this. He's big old coward at this moment. and it's gotta be a headshot. This explosive round has to go to the head. And there are two of them. Two silence,
Yeah. It's where aerobic brains are.
right? How about the whole robot is the brain? That seems like an idea. so Rosalyn and Co are like down the hallway a little bit, right?
mm-hmm.
They're set up Lee and Jamer, and I think another guy are right outside of AFT damage control. The CYS come charging through. they run right past Rosalyn and the team, but Billy fucks it up.
Billy does fuck it up
He, he like accidentally shoots a shot, right? Just a wild shot. Uh, and so
He's trying and just fucks up and shouldn't have the gun.
right. So the silence stop running at Lee and team, and now they're shooting at Roslyn and Company and get shot at from behind by Lee. So he gets one or he or his team get one.
Mm-hmm.
But they keep missing the headshot on the other. And this last battle bot comes like charging at Lee and he barely gets it in the head. Just in time.
Yep. It's a little miracle.
So at the end of the scene, I wrote Rosalyn, Billy, and Co. Fine. Jamer has to be silent. Oh. But interesting that we've got this particular guard here that was kind of feeling away about Rosalyn in the last episode. Right. He, he calls her a prophet
Mm-hmm. Prays with her, does the thing.
Prays with her lets her out in this episode. And now he sees on her blazer that she almost got shot, like a bullet went right through the
Yeah, like just, just grazed her suit, coat. Yeah.
Hmm. I wonder if that will come up later.
Does that make you more suspicious that she's a silent?
I don't know. I, I, I, I could believe this is all coincidence and that it's just gonna get really out of hand. 'cause now we have this person here who maybe goes a little bit zealot for her cause, you know,
Okay. I wanna talk about this more, but I wanna talk about it in the broader scope of not this episode. So let's finish up this
okay. We don't have much left. We go back to uh, Caprica for just a minute, for SPS to get a hold of her old trek.
Yep. It's got Delphi plates. Love it. This is the attention to detail I'm here for always scoping them. License plates.
Yeah. Glad to see license plates. Make it to the future, right?
Yeah. Billy hangs out with D in Sik Bay. And, uh, she, they, they kiss, she, she kind of makes up a bit, was like, I was kind of shitty and it's been a very bad day and you did try and do the right thing today.
yeah. Like, sorry I kicked you in the nuts. You did your best. yeah,
yeah, like maybe we can make this work. try and get us some privacy.
It's pretty cute. Yeah. Ty Lee and Rosalyn are all watching over Adama, and we found out Doc Coddle is on his way again.
Yep.
And Rosalyn tells Ty she's ready to return to her cell, and Ty is like, okay, fine. No chains of hearts here.
he gives Lee some shit for siting with the president. And Lee is just like, I don't give a fuck about your judgment. I give a fuck about the old man's judgment. Nothing else is gonna fucking matter here. So say whatever you want. I don't, I don't give a
yeah. I might not be fit to wear this uniform, but you definitely aren't either. So we'll see what dad says when he wakes up.
Yeah. How badly you have fucked up here.
Yeah.
And that's to credits.
it, man. That's
So on a scale of one to 12 colonies, how'd you feel about this one?
Well, if this one is the, like 33 of the season, which I don't know if it is or not, but it didn't quite hit the same mark for me as 33.
It does not.
Yeah. I can feel them like wanting me to be suspicious of a whole bunch of people.
Yeah.
And I have no idea who's a asylum. it would be really, I find poetic if one of these people in this episode is a silent, but we will see, only time will tell.
Okay.
So, Hmm. I don't know. I think I can still give it a 10.
Yeah, I give it an eight. Um, it has its fun moments. Um, it felt a little bodily. And, part of it is just knowing how the next couple of episodes are going to be spent.
Mm-hmm.
I think we, maybe this episode could have been. Cut for the most part. And we could have sped up that arc and maybe had some more space around episode 10 11, I would've liked so, but that's all way in the future. What's near in the future is season two, episode three, fragmented democracy bras brought back to the fleet, and with it come hardball politics and potentially deadly intrigue.
Hmm.
So that's, that's our next episode.
I don't like the politics. It feels bad.
can't we just have normal politics please? Please. I don't want Roslyn to start giving everyone tariffs. It's gonna be weird. There's not even any foreign countries.
Tariff. The
sense. Tariff these silence to hell. You don't buy anything from them. Exactly. We won't buy anything from, okay. So
You wanna talk about
about Cy. I wanna talk about who you think is a CY right now. We're a
you're gonna make me do this again.
I just, I'm curious where we're at right now, where your thoughts are, if you had to pick, like just pick a character that you think is a silo, just 1D.
I don't know. I'm a little afraid for Dee. I'm also afraid for Rosalyn, but I'm also afraid for Adama like that. Adama could be potentially like the anti sile. That's like their purpose is to like. Guide humanity in some way that like forces some evolution. I'm just really on this forced evolution thing. Like I'm stuck in shadows land. I don't know.
I think you look about the most uncomfortable I've ever seen. You look after asking you a question,
Yeah, like we can talk about the weirdest, most personal things, but you're like, who's a silent? And I'm like, God, I don't
Fuck. Don't make me answer that. Sorry.
Especially the ones that you're getting to, like, like, obviously I, I even though. They're not getting along and
Mm-hmm.
both made some bad choices. Like, I like Adama and I like Rosalyn.
Okay.
And so like that
Who did you pick last time? Last time I asked You had a couple other names. You're footing around.
I don't remember.
Okay.
I feel like Starbuck is not, I think, I think what I did was like, here's who I think it's not. And then you were like, well, maybe it is.
it's, yeah, so I mean, Starbuck feels like, you know, like her home on Delphi, like that, that seems pretty safe. Um, although there's no food there that's weird. Um. What about like Gais? Is there at any point any suspicion about Gais being a silent?
No.
He's probably like the least like, because they literally had to put silent agents around him to do the shit they needed to do.
Like you would've just had him do the shit you needed to do. Like Yeah. That doesn't
it'd be really weird if he was a silent. Yeah.
Right. Lee feels like not a Slon Lee. Starbuck Gais are the ones that I now feel are like, probably not s. Although if, you know, if Adama's, not cylon, but Lee is cylon, that could be, you know, big, big if
that'd be, that'd be weird. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It feels like you'd have to go through some fucking hoops to make that work.
Yeah. You would've had to base the cy off of real person in that case, because Lee was definitely a real person. So
Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, unless they're both silents.
Yeah, that seems, it seems like a bridge too far. So I don't know. We shall see.
Yeah.
I hope we get some kind of reveal in season two. 'cause like there's 12 of them in total. Right. And we have Bin Sharon six Dole. We only have four.
You are going to meet more Cylons this season?
Okay.
I want to say I think there are one or two characters that are Cylons that I think they're either introduced as cylons or found out to be silent very quickly.
Okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm itching for more silent.
even met yet. like like some of these are not even, like, it's not like all 12 are characters you've interacted with.
Yeah.
You know? Uh, That's, I'll just say that's not the case. You're not looking for eight sirens in the fleet right now. Um, that's not how this goes. Like there are silents that just haven't shown up yet for whatever reasons. There, there are reasons.
Yeah. I really want l and Ty to be a salon and to get her comeuppance in a dramatic way, but I don't think I'm gonna get that. I bet she's just a bad human.
Can't say anything.
Well, I'm, I'm itching for more silent, like I was really hoping in the last season, you know, that. Because we knew all along about Boomer that we'd also get like, surprise also this person, and we didn't, so I'm, I'm just, I want it. I'm
I mean, that twist is coming.
Okay.
Like you, that that, that, that is a thing that happens that will have payoff. It might not be exactly how you're imagining it right now, but that is a thing that happens and you will be shocked.
Cool. I'm excited.
Yeah.
Let's keep watching.
Yeah. I mean, that's the plan. So we'll be back next week with season two episode three, but before we get there, gotta say thank you. To Jeremy Siegel. Hey, Jeremy, how you doing? You just put out a bunch of recordings it looks like from your Facebooks. Um, super happy for you. Uh, I'm glad that you're getting to do so much music stuff. I know it brings you a lot of joy and your music brings me a lot of joy and our audience, a lot of joy. Thanks so much for making our theme music.
Appreciate the hell out of it and appreciate the hell outta you. Thanks, Jeremy.
Yeah, I have actually been listening to our podcast again lately. I had kind of not 'cause I didn't like the sound of my own voice, but all of a sudden I don't care anymore. And every time the theme comes on, before we start talking, I get really excited. It's quite good.
Yeah, good.
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Yeah. We're talking spoiler town. I'm gonna be posting in Spoiler Town things. You said this episode in about 10 minutes. So.
no.
It's gonna be like, we're gonna finish this show and you're gonna get added to Spoiler Town and you are just gonna scroll back two years and just read and it's gonna be. It starts with me apologizing. I think that's one of the first posts in Spoiler Town
Yay.
for a thing that I said in a very early episode of this run
Cool. Yeah,
not to not give away something far later in the show.
I can't wait.
Yeah,
Where's my time machine?
well, we'll get there. uh, in a matter of time. All right. Thanks, listener. We'll see you next week.
Bye.