Hey listener, if you haven't seen season two, episode 10, Pegasus of Battlestar Galactica, just know that there is some pretty graphic abuse and sexual assault in this episode that we will have to try to meaningfully discuss in this episode. So if that's gonna be difficult for you, please skip this one and we'll see you next time. We love you. Stay safe. Bye-bye.
Hello and welcome to Who Are You? This is a reasonably well done sci-fi watch cast hosted by two former strangers, now friends who are currently working their way through 2000 and fours. Battlestar Galactica. I'm Jair,
And I'm Laura,
and today we've got
Ben.
Hey, Ben,
coming in hot, Ben.
in hot.
I'm, I'm excited to be here for this one. 'cause I, I, I don't know this, this felt like a good one for me to be back for.
I mean, you requested this very early on, I think when the, the call before the call went out for any guest host, it was, give me 33 and give me Pegasus.
yes.
Hmm. Okay.
and here we
Yeah. and I realized talking to Jair before we started recording, I had a joke all prepared. I was gonna say, oh. Hey, we're watching Zena Season five, episode 19, Pegasus. And that was gonna be a fun joke because I didn't think Lucy Lawless was in the show yet, but I missed that.
Yeah. That, that's in the gap between aired as of recording and when this will go out. So that, that episode actually airs tomorrow, Ben. So you'll get to hear us talk about Lucy Lawless then.
Fortunately she's not in this episode because we have our 100% full limit of strong terse, brunette women.
We, we are above max. Actually. We need to dump some real quick.
they need the, the Rosalyn special.
Yeah, I, I think we need to dump a, a few 'cause boy we are maxed out. But I think before we talk episode there's some other stuff we need to talk.
yeah,
And you know how we had, Voyager did it First Delta flyer edition. We kind of have, Voyager did it first Equinox.
Well,
Yeah.
I, I, I disagree.
Well, yes, there's lots of reasons that I think this is different from
no, no. It's Battlestar Galactica 78. Did it first.
Oh, okay. All right.
This is a two-parter, same episode name. In that series within Admiral Kane who comes in and it's a whole thing just like this.
Our Admiral Kane is better.
So,
just some old guy with the beard. He's not bringing that. Michelle Forbes Energy
who is Admiral? I feel like I know the actor who did Admiral Kane in the 78. Oh. It's gonna bother me. I'm Googling it.
Have you actually watched any of the 78 affair?
Lloyd Bridges was Commander Kane
B's dad.
in, in the original,
I was
General Landry himself.
the most famous of his children.
Uh,
I mean, there's Jeff, but I mean,
Yeah.
how many episodes of Stargate was Jeff on?
Hey, don't forget Cindy Bridges. She was on an episode of the Lloyd Bridges Show.
Cindy Bridges is more famous than some of the Baldwins.
yeah. Okay. So was it the same sort of plot in 78? Pegasus.
I haven't seen it.
It's different. I will say it's different. I,
Okay.
but a big, a big part of it is, Hey, there's another Battlestar out here. I will say everything else different.
Yeah.
yeah. so, definitely like notes of the Equinox idea in here, but this to me is like, maybe, maybe Ronnie D had pitched this idea to Voyager before, you know, he went and did his
I wouldn't be surprised. I,
Yeah. And then they, they like did it in their own way, but like, he's like, what if darker? You know?
yeah. What if they came here? If they were here in the Delta quadrant and they're just like, let's fuck shit up. go home.
I mean, we still have, after this episode, there's still a lot to find out about Pegasus journey
Oh,
get here. I will say that without, without any more
They made a whole movie about it.
They did
Wow. Really?
It, we don't watch it until a while. I think. I forget if
come out for a while, but they circled back around and tell the Pegasus story.
yeah, I think it's, I think they released it in between seasons three and four as a holdover. When, uh, things got delayed, they decided to Martian make the movie. but yeah, there is a movie that's about Pegasus from day one to this episode.
Wow.
it's a razor.
Yes. Yeah. Razor. So that's definitely on our calendar. it's part of
there is no battle. Sar Galactica Toka. That is the one person out there who's like Ben made a Teenage Mutant Turtles two reference
of the,
wow. That person ain't
Andreza.
Well, you know, if you, listener, if you, uh, have been following along, you know that I watched this a little bit ago, right? So. I've had a couple of like weeks to stew on this episode and I haven't watched anymore.
weeks,
is an episode to, to not watch anymore.
Yeah. I don't know how you, I, I told you it was a three parter.
I know. And I haven't hit parts two and three yet. Part of it is that I'm preparing for my summer class and I'm feeling very behind on that. So I'm spending like all my free time making PowerPoints. Woo. But I, one of the things that, like, after watching this episode, and I'm pretty sure I sent Jair one of those text messages about like, this sucks. I hate it,
yeah,
I believe GE sent that to me.
yeah.
and. I, I have had time to ruminate on like, why did this upset me more than Equinox? Because they are so very similar. So I had to like pull it apart for myself, you know? Maybe it's obvious to the rest of you, but sometimes I have to sit with a thing that makes me feel a thing in order to get all the ideas out. And so I had like three main reasons to myself that I feel like this was viscerally more upsetting than Equinox. Like Equinox is not easy, is it? Is it also two parts?
That's what I thought. I thought it was two parts.
finale, season premiere,
Wow.
a summer after
Yeah. And I hear this was a bit of a stew too. 'cause it was the Midseason
mid-season break.
Yeah. And of course, you know, Ronnie de adds an extra part. So, great. Three parter. Fun. I, I was like, okay, I have to know for myself, why does this make me feel worse? And I was thinking about Starlee versus the Galactica universe. And like Star Fleet is a very idealized version of humanity. It's very aspirational. Uh, Even after we got nineties trek where it's like actually dark things happen all the time.
But that, that like idealized version of humanity is not quite as salient to us, right? We can see ourselves in it, but maybe not quite
Yeah. There's work
ourselves as now ourselves as we want to be.
Yes.
And the galactic accrue is that much more like believable current state of humanity. And Jair and I talked in the last episode or maybe the one before about how like, you know, there's no like phasers and. Spanner or some things, or like wave a light over it in galactic. It's like welding and like things that exist in our universe today. Yeah. So it feels more salient when bad things are happening in the galactic universe.
To me, I think, and then, you know, the, the Equinox, and it's been a minute since I've seen Voyager, but my, the basic takeaway I had in it, in my mind is that the violated party in that is like some blobby, floaty boys.
it is screechy aliens from the the fifth dimension.
Yeah. Like
unrelatable.
yeah. Not, uh, with a human face, shall we say. And they're being like drained of their energy or for the War Corps or something like, something very techno babbly.
And it's not just
this matter and using it to make a matter anti-matter reaction, I guess.
Yeah.
it, it's alien energy can make our warps go faster. That yeah.
But this is like these things that just look, just like humans are being tortured, just like humans would be tortured for information. So that's also a very salient, like we can picture
and I'm not trying to downplay what happens with their silent prisoner or their boomer in this episode. But like, she also just treats humans like shit. She shot her first officer, you know, like, like she is. Terrible to anything sentient.
Admiral Cain and the shooting of the first officer, I wasn't quite clear at the end of this episode if that really happened or not. We know Ty believes. That she shot the first officer, but it was presented as like, maybe it's just a rumor. I don't know.
And I actually, so I wanted to bring this up when we get to it in the episode, but we're talking about it right now. And I found this absolutely fascinating. As somebody who watches the, uh, miniseries band of brothers at least once a year, there is a character in that captain Spears who, one of the stories about him is, did you know that during the D-Day landings, he shot one of his, his own sergeants? And the guys are like. It's like a mythical rumor about him.
Much like for our Galactica people, Kane shooting her xo
Mm-hmm.
and in that it's treated like, hey, he had somebody who was being insubordinate and not getting the job done and he just, shot the guy and they moved on and like they have completed their objective and it's not treated as a, Hey, this is, is something such that creates such a warning that we're like, we will never trust this guy. And I just thought it was a very interesting dichotomy of Kain shot her XO when they wouldn't complete an objective in an actual historical person there.
You know, they talk about it like, I don't know man, that feels kind of weird, but. I bet he was probably justified. Like they don't immediately jump to this. This person is, has the taint of evil around them.
Mm-hmm.
And that was the two immediate you know, reference points I had for Officer who shoots a subordinate.
Hmm.
Yeah, and Band of Brothers is historical and we've like done the history treatment on that.
there are problems with Band of Brothers. The big problem with Band of Brothers is the author Steven Ambrose, like just interviewed people without doing any historiography of like, reading, like go, like going deep into notes and stuff. And so one thing famously in the show, they report that like a guy died. And he didn't die. He recovered from his wounds, like continued to serve throughout the war and then fought in Korea.
He just got moved to a different unit but since he just interviewed people, they were just like, oh yeah, that guy Blythe, he got shot and then we never saw him again. He probably died and since he didn't like read medical reports, he just interviewed people.
Well, When I, when I say the history treatment, I mean, we, we storify it, right? We, we, we make it very storied, and that's not always accurate.
Right.
That's, that's what I'm speaking of when I say the history treatment. But the, the third thing I had on why I feel ickier about Pegasus is, uh, we've been so primed to dislike and distrust all of the silos, right? in Equinox, those floaty boys didn't do anything, right? They were just existing in the fifth dimension or whatever, and accidentally got pulled over by something and techno, techno, techno babble. Uh,
Subspace anomaly.
Start liquefying them. Yeah. Throw in the ship's blender.
Yeah. And so when we're like looking at what is happening with our two female cys, Sharon, and six in this one we're, we're doing a more effortful processing trying to reconcile like the bad things of the cy with the bad things now happening to the CY and trying to think like, okay, is there like a line somewhere.
Yeah. Is, is this bad until you do a genocide?
Yeah,
It's like, no. I, I still feel bad about it, but also like they did do a genocide.
yeah. It's like, what? What? What do we do with this information? We have to spend a lot more time on it. Or maybe we don't, some people don't, but I had to ruminate for a little while on this one.
Yeah.
I am going to stand up on my Miss Rachel's soapbox and just say genocides bad. Um,
Yeah.
Yeah.
but also be like, Hey, assaulting people is bad.
Yeah.
I don't like any of this.
No, me neither.
But I am also a weirdo who believes that the means justify the ends.
That's a bold statement to drop.
yeah,
How you get there is the more worthy part.
instead of the,
Yeah. So it's not the ends justify the means. The means justify the ends.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Well, that made my brain skip a beat. You guys wanna get into this episode?
Let's do it to it.
All right. We open on Starbuck, going over a Caprica Rescue Mission Plan with Adama and Rosalyn. Man, this must feel like ages ago if you didn't rewatch the episode, Laura.
Yeah, it does.
Um, we know the CYS can do this in a single jump. I'm guessing that they're just better at math, better at star charts at Adama references the red line, which we know is the level of observable space from the colonies. It would take Galactica 241 jumps minimum to get back to Caprica, maybe double when she starts to argue about the necessity of this compared to the scope.
When action stations are called Starbuck runs to the fighter Bay as a dam calls CIC to get tie moving on, what he needs to happen. There's an unknown huge ship and ditis, they think it's a base star. Alert fighters have been launched.
And as you were talking about all the Equinox stuff, this just may be like, how badly does Adama wish right now? He could just go onscreen
Uh,
instead of just like looking at the bleeps and bloops,
there's a big, large bloop out there, but I can't tell you what it is.
As they
do we not have a freaking telescope? Like we saw that there's a forward observation bay, just like. Have, have Gada out there just with binoculars all the time. You are now lieutenant binoculars.
I mean, we saw that, that forward observation bay is like the place to be. Right. We have a rotation, we have like a bouncer outside, so just like have some binoculars. Anytime the li the, the, uh, alarms and lights start blaring, like have somebody pick up those binoculars.
for you to bone down, you have to sign up for a shift on the telescope,
Exactly.
Does that mean that there's people boning in there while you're doing your telescoping?
your noise canceling headphones, Jair,
You should get some noise canceling
noise is actually the thing I'm least concerned
looking through the telescope. Jair
Okay.
see nothing Jair.
The bit in me wants to go through all five senses and continue complaining right now, but I think we're just gonna move on because we spent like
You are on a Battlestar full of recycled air. Nothing smells
That's a hundred percent. Well, it's probably like an airplane air. As long as no one farted right next to you, we'll
See, I'm imagining it's more like submarine air, which like before they made it a like against the rules to smoke. I've heard like when you surfaced on a submarine was the happiest you are on a submarine. 'cause it was just cigarette smoke and farts. Um,
There should be no smoking on a submarine. When we, when we built submarine, we should have said no smoking in tube. Like, it's like no guns in tube, no smoking in tube.
fair.
Yeah,
You try telling a man from the 1930s who is going to go underwater in a tube, he can't smoke.
I need a cigarette Thinking about it,
they invented the plane like 20 years ago, and you would tell me to go underwater. I'm gonna smoke.
When they get a little closer, they get colonial transponder signals. They start their contact code protocol Pegasus returns, ATIs call. And this is Admiral Kane, played by Michelle Forbes. Most famously Ro Lauren from TNG, They get visual confirmation and we cut over to see Pegasus, CIC and this is the happiest moment. It is all downhill from here.
we, we have found the cooler Daniel, like this, this, is a nicer, fancier, flashier battle star with just a ton of vipers swarming about it.
Yeah, we'll talk about that in just a moment,
At the end of this here, Lee says that you won't believe it. It's like a dream. And Adama says it is a dream, which made me like super paranoid for the rest of it. Like what's real,
Yeah.
and they also say it's a miracle, and that is one of the things that is like. Oh, hey, when you like, add a like quasi sense of mysticism around your show,
Mm-hmm.
when you've got a character who's just like, everything is happening because this is what God wants, you can hand wave the conversation we have later. It's like, Hey, Pegasus, how did you find us?
Uhhuh.
Like, it's been months. How did you find us? God wanted it to man,
Yeah.
like, I'm royalty Moore. I, this is my version of a wizard. Did it?
right. right. And uh, a lesser show would. Acknowledge right away that this is actually a nightmare and not a dream, but, uh, it is a slow burn
Yeah, we go to theme survivor count 49, 6 0 5. We are up 1,752.
Ben just erased the whiteboard For the listeners who can't see it, wrote the
cause I wrote it down too.
Yeah, I'm, I'm writing it down from here on out 'cause I'm just interested in the numbers, but I'm not gonna get super technical with it, I think.
uh, I did want to talk about the crew compliments for a minute. 'cause this is low. Um, this is low compared to Galactica.
How many does Galactica have on it? Do we know
We do, we know, we actually know a handful of things about these ships. Some of it is from the pilot, some of it is from video games and auxiliary material. So we've got two different classes of Battlestar, right? Galactica is the old school Jupiter class from the first war. The Pegasus is a Mercury class. Uh, this is the difference between a constitution and a galaxy for you Star Trek nerds.
Okay. All right.
so, the Jupiter class has a full crew compliment. During the first silent war would've been staffed by 5,000 people.
Okay.
that's crew officers Marines. a normal one at the time of the attack would've been staffed with 3,500 people. Galactica was at 2,400 since it was about to become a museum. It was bare bones. So Galactica takes almost 2000 people to just run it as a ship.
okay.
The uh, mercury class here is 400 meters longer, 200 meters wider, and 150 meters taller than Galactica.
But it's not the size. It's how you use it.
Exactly. So much on the Mercury class is automated that a normal full crew compliment for them is about where Galactica was when the attack happened. A normal fully staffed mercury class. Battlestar is 2,600 people.
Are the computers networked?
There are networked computers. Yes.
Oh, blasphemy.
hmm.
we find out, not on the ship, because they had taken out the network in order to facilitate the upgrades that were coming as part of the refit. So that's something that
Oh, that's right. That's right.
later in the episode.
And that's the only reason they're still alive,
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So the Pegasus is a much larger ship. I would say it's probably, Galactica is maybe two thirds the size of Pegasus. But it is also a lot less people comparatively.
but it does have 10 squadrons of vipers
Yeah.
Got a lot of pilots.
Galactica three.
they might, it might be three and fully staffed. I think they're at two right now.
Hmm. That's not good.
Lots of vipers.
sorry. I'm sorry, lawyer. I was, I was remiss. It's got 10 squadrons of Vipers.
Oh,
Yeah. There we go. Ty Rosalyn and Papa dama head down to the flight deck. As Admiral Kain comes aboard, we get a little bit about her here. Fast tracked young, tough, smart, promoted ahead of a ton of other commanders.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, And then we see people coming out of the, uh, shuttle. It is most of the command staff for Pegasus. I forgot that, uh, Sebastian, uh, puer was in this show. He's a real, that guy of nineties, two thousands tv. He's the pilot who's not the cag, uh, walks off the ship. He's just a bit part. Uh, and then our CAG here is John Pryor, uh, Folsom, who is in two episodes of Viper. Along with a ton of other stuff, not ones we watched.
I would've
I. But I, I dug through their IMDBs for fun. And so, uh, that, that was fun to see. He's been in everything. But you probably don't recognize him because he almost always has long hair and a beard and he's got short
yeah. Then Laura doesn't know who he is. Yeah.
if you like look him up on IMDB, you'll instantly know who this guy is. I promise he's in a ton of stuff.
did it strike you as weird that she came to them
Um,
from a, like, production, like we're not building the Pegasus landing strip. I understood it, but I was just like, shouldn't she be like, you guys come here?
like militarily, she could have demanded Adama, you come to me, but Adama's got the president.
I did appreciate though. She comes back and she's just like. The Secretary of Education where she's like, at least smart enough to be like, I know who this person
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. She's no Hilo.
well, but she didn't have to be like, who is Rosalyn? Like, how is she president? And Adama be like, she was the secretary of education. And, and you know, she, he didn't Adam explain to her? She just knew like,
She knew the, uh, the
Fucking Linda McMahon is here.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
God. Jair.
oh. You thinking about Linda McMahon as president during an apocalypse right now?
Yeah. Yeah. I am.
Uh, you shouldn't think about that.
Our children need to learn about a one.
Um, she also pulls Guy Baltar out of the crowd. She knows who he is without being told not as the vice president, but as a scientist, like he is. He's a famous, brilliant person.
guys Baltar is, but she does not seem to like Rosalyn.
Would you, if you like, put yourself in the head space of, I've been alone fighting the CYS for at this point, months. And then I find another crew, another team to help me. And also there's a secretary of education running around claiming to be president of the colonies.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know. I, I would like to think that I would meet that with some curiosity, like, huh, well they've also made it these months
Yeah, just them.
the, and, and a whole bunch of civilians, and we somehow, we've kept these civilians alive for a whole bunch of months. That's really interesting. I think I would meet it with That's very interesting.
Lots of ships
I, I, I probably would come at this as a, like, there is no succession, there is, there are no colonies.
Yeah.
You are less than unimportant.
Yeah. She's probably shocked to find out there's still a quorum.
Yeah. She's gonna love that.
why are you guys cosplaying as government? Uh, this isn't important right now.
Oh yeah. This Admiral Kane is not gonna be impressed with all of that, but I'm not impressed with Admiral Kane. So there we go.
But she has a very smart Bob.
Yeah. But have you seen Rosalyn's Blazers?
got the two.
So yeah, all, all Pegasus leadership comes over. Uh, they're greeted with the fleet leaders, military and civilian, and everyone kind of celebrates after the decorum of the moment has passed. Adam McCain and Roly drink and Adamis Quarters as the XOs share moonshine. This is Graham Beckels, Colonel Jack Fisk.
Yes.
He talks some shit, but Ty knows he's right. Talking about Galactica being a heap of parts happening to fly, fly its way through space
It should be hauled away as garbage.
Oh, I misspoke. It is garbage.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I love Galactic. I don't like him talking this way about my ship.
But when we see Pegasus, we're like, it is nicer.
It's a nice big ship.
Yeah. Okay. But sometimes, like we love a Millennium Falcon, don't we?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. And we do get the, the bit here where Kane is just like, so I am an admiral, so you get to, you gonna gimme any guff? And Commander Adama's like, Nope.
Nope.
And she's like, cool.
Yeah.
Also, Billy pulls Laura away from the meeting and I'm just like. What could possibly be more important at this moment?
she's got papers to sign. Y'all. There's, there's stuff that needs the old
that need the corners cut off, but it's just like we found the only other humans alive. Cancel the rest of my meetings. Billy, shut the fuck up.
I don't care what Tom Za says right now, it doesn't fucking matter.
I don't know. We might need Tom Zarik here in a little bit. I'm worried. I'm worried y'all.
Oh God. Kane would kick Tom Zarik in the dick and throw him out in airlock.
is why Tom Za needs to be faster. He needs to be faster and sneakier.
I do like, I understand from a, like a cons writing construction wise, we get the bit where she's just like, alright, I'll tell you a little bit about what's happened to us and you just send me your logs. And it's just like, okay, we don't need to sit here and listen to Adama and Rosalyn like recount the last season and a half. But it's like you got somewhere else to be Admiral Kane
Well, it's also the beauty of the moment though, because she knows that she, she doesn't ask for the logs. She tells Adama to send over the logs because this is the moment where the pecking order has been established.
Yeah. He is having to submit hard.
roll over. Show me that belly.
Yep.
Rosalyn is shook and leaves.
this, this is where Cain had explained the situation. So Pegasus had been dry docked for those repairs that we were talking about. We take, took the computers out. Kane said she had just like cleared out her office or something
Yep.
The Scorpio shipyard gets attacked. Five ships were destroyed by nukes, and they did a blind jump out of there. They didn't plot where they were going, they Just
They also mentioned five ships, three or two of, or three of them battle stars. And I'm just like, how much more interesting would this show be if there was like a smaller different ship tagging along that was like a colonial destroyer, like if we just had a second set.
Most of the ships that were in, so they, they're called BS gs, they're Battlestar groups, right?
Mm-hmm.
And this is where the numbers on the hole come from. So Galactica is BSG 75. It says it underneath Galactica. That's Battlestar Group 75. So a Battlestar group, because I read about this when I was reading about the other stuff is Nah. Yeah. Is the Battlestar is basically the aircraft carrier and then they typically had a couple of support ships depending on what was required, but they were not full fleets. Right.
So you might have a destroyer with one, you might have a destroyer with a Galactica, you one, but a Pegasus would probably not have one. Um, like, just like uh, in Galactica, they cannot refine their own fuel on board. So they need a fuel refinery ship that would probably be part of a standard flotilla for them. Part of
just thinking it'd be cool. 'cause I was thinking about like World War ii, like convoys and stuff. Like if every so often we jumped over to, you know, the, the, the, you know, the cruiser that hey, we've got some guns, but like we can't launch vipers.
Yeah.
Yeah. One final thing I love about this scene is the look on Rosalyn's face when she realizes Adama is not in charge.
Yeah.
yeah. She's not pleased.
I don't like Kane calling it out, like, fuck that. But I do like us getting to see it.
Mm-hmm.
Finding out that it's like, wait, it's, it's not mommy Laura and Daddy Aaba. It's Mommy Kane.
Hmm hmm.
We also find out that at this point that during our exo drink off that they have their owns prisoner.
Yes. We, this is also where we get the story about Kane killing our previous XO that we had already talked about.
Yes.
except it's jokes. Jokes, guys. Ha
totally, totally, joking
totally jokes. I don't think this story gets confirmed as true or false until the Razor movie.
Yes,
anyways we get this super long shot on Adama after Kane leaves his quarters. I love this shot. It's framed perfect, and it's just adama just like, fuck, but also fuck, but also, fuck. It's
also, yay.
eh?
Like, I don't have to deal with this shit. I can just follow orders now.
Yeah.
I think he's gone too far. I don't think he wants to
I think he, I, he, he, he has gotten used to being Daddy Adama.
Yeah.
and I, and he hasn't done a bad job that we can see yet. You know, I guess we need more hindsight to be able to actually assess, but. We've, we've had some spectacularly bad calls by other people. His have been like kind of
he is made some bad calls.
Yeah. But
they get called up in this episode later, so
We also get Lee getting chewed out on the flight deck because you guys don't tally your kills bunch of bitches, you know.
the correct answer is Lee going, I got 103 last episode. Motherfucker,
right?
like, there's not room on my hole. Get on
Well that's, that's when you change the color. That's what they had to do for Wedge an Tilly's X-Wing. I know, because I read all of the X-Wing books.
sure,
I was very popular in high school.
Yeah. No, I like that this whole thing started with Starbucks being like, what? You guys are gross. Why would you do that? And then we chew Lee out for not tracking the kills. Like Starbucks has a, has her head on straight.
Yeah. I mean, this is a pretty common practice in during most ARB conflicts.
Most of the people on Pegasus have not had the same like interpersonal reactions or actions with S that Starbeck has that maybe make her feel a little less cool about that?
Yeah. Anyways, uh, Lee gets called a Nepo baby during all this too. Just wanna point that
Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.
I mean.
He says it in such a little shit too. He totally deserves to get called out because he's just all like, last I checked, my commander's name is Adama. You should remember it 'cause it's the same as mine.
Yeah. He probably shouldn't have put it that way. He was kind of a bitch about it.
Mm-hmm. Cain and Gais talk in front of Sharon, who is just completely ignored. Gais agrees to come examine their SI prisoner as six. PT is like, wonder who it will be known enemy, new face, or a friend you can no longer trust.
man. If they walked over to Pegasus and there wasn't Adam dama there,
Well then Kane would've shot. Adama the second she got off the
I know. It's just been a funny
Yeah.
Like you could do it with a couple of characters. Like, uh, she might not have like seen like a Tyro or a Hilo at that point to know. But I don't think you can get away with the big three, but,
You,
Captain Kelly.
I was, kind of wondering if it was gonna be our journalist from the last reveal,
Lucy Lawless.
yeah. Well, as we know, too much stern brunette in this episode already, so No, Lucy Lawless allowed.
for sure.
Ben would've exploded.
we find out that the Pegasus Deck chief's name is Laird,
Yeah.
and he makes
cool. I,
Well he's like, what is this thing? Right? Like, what the fuck guys? And then we find out that he's a a real Leah Brahms type and designed the engines that it's using.
and he is a civilian.
Yeah.
Yes. I wanted to know more, which I, I don't know if I have to wait till Razor to get it, but like, how did we get a civilian? Was he at the shipyard? Dunno, or was he picked up somewhere else?
Yeah, we also find out
me.
They, they both made the face guys
we also find out that Pegasus is just resupplying Galactica and nobody else. And this is the point where I'm just like, Hey, Laura, Rosalyn, why didn't you just make Adama your Secretary of defense?
right.
we, we cut this whole chain of command thing off at the knees. 'cause she's just got this whole like, well I kind like you being in charge, but I guess we'll see how it goes. It's like, you are the president, you can do a thing to, to cause a thing.
Yeah.
I forgot to say something about Laird
Yeah. Go for it.
and my wondering about Laird. I'm not entirely sure he came willingly. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
eh
Well, I'm just wondering, like you pick up a guy who just happens to be a ship engineer that feels a little convenient
uh oh, is it silent?
or is it stupid?
Do the face.
Oh. There's the face.
Uh, Ty catches up with Papa Dama, uh, with what he learned about Cain. He brings up how important context behind those actions are. I mean,
But it, they do get, Adama does like, Hey we blew up a civilian ship with a thousand people on it and like.
Allegedly.
And like Ty is immediately like, yeah, but that like there were reasons for it. It's like, yeah, she doesn't know That context matters dude.
Yeah.
And Ty's just like, I don't understand. It's like, that is why you are not Commander.
Yeah. Poor broken clock tie. Sometimes he gets it, but it's only twice a day.
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Poor Victor.
it's apor porn joke. Yeah. Get, get ass if there's any porn in there.
I
it's a
poor
it's a funny scene. Yeah. Pour one out for Victor, um, Rosalyn notes. Kane is not taking her calls here.
Yeah.
Don't love that. Don't love that.
But would you.
Yeah. It's the president. I feel like you're kind of
Is she?
I mean, but see, here's the thing. Like I, on the Pegasus, if I'm Cain, I've rolled up with 1700 people. We've said, right?
Mm-hmm.
There were 45,000 people on these ships.
Yeah.
I'm coming to their party. I've gotta figure out where I fit. And like I, they, they seem to have a thing that's working. Like I
you've rolled up in the biggest fanciest ship you are pink the party. Don't start till you walk in.
That's, that's Kesha.
That is Kesh. Wait, what's the pink one?
I don't know, I don't know. but but you definitely quoted the Kesha one.
That is Kesha.
You know, Kesha has a TV show where that she goes ghost hunting called Contra and Kesha.
Has she found a ghost?
I don't, I haven't watched it. I, Beth just told me about it the
cause ghosts aren't real.
Oh, well, yeah. I mean, that's an opinion, Ben, that you have. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna insert myself into that one. I know better. Balls our heads over to the Pegasus.
six. This is interesting. I want to know your opinions on this, Laura, because six PT is showing up and being real miny and shitty right up until they see who the, the, uh, the prisoner is. And then six PT is shook.
Yeah. Crying. Yeah.
Now if she is just some six gen generic consciousness. Would she be surprised? Is she only surprised because she is part of Baltar psychosis or is she a specific six's point of view? Who is surprised to see another six
If
has told us who she is. She's an angel. Those are
Hmm.
right, right, right. But I, I don't believe any of that. I don't, I don't know what six is still but if she is a silent program inside Gaia, she's not connected to the cloud. Right. She had no idea
She knows stuff sometimes
here, but she didn't know this.
No.
She really didn't. So
not.
the, the cloud is either like, not perfect, like things don't always upload to the cloud or that you can become disconnected in waves or something, or Maybe it's selective. Maybe the six wasn't the, the prisoner six wasn't uploading to the cloud on purpose, to not jeopardize something. I don't know,
Or I don't wanna remember this, I,
Yeah. Trauma that'll happen.
Hmm.
but six PT does kind of go like, how can you justify this torture and assault? We only did a genocide. It's
A light genocide.
okay, like you ain't got any moral high ground. Like this is bad. Do not get it twisted. But it's also like you guys murdered billions of people.
Yeah,
yeah,
I mean,
you're both wrong.
Yeah. It can be two things. yeah.
Um, so anyways, this is a incredibly abused six model. I'm gonna, I spoiled it for Laura already, that, uh, this, this is Gina, is this character's name. We don't get it this episode, but for the sake of talking about two sixes in the same room where, and being a audio format instead of a video format where we can see which one we're talking about clearly. For the sake of context, I've ruined it. Uh, so yeah.
If we're gonna talk about context, I need to get my crown.
Yeah, that's fair. Hmm.
it seems like it could be a thing coming up that when we meet different six models, they all have different names, which would be interesting.
I mean,
Oh, Ben's actually going to get his crown. Okay. I don't know how you're gonna put headphones on with Okay. behind your head. Okay, good.
I've got one. I have to wear it.
There's not enough opportunities to wear a crown in daily life. It's just really unfortunate.
It's true. But, uh, we do get baltar here going like, Hey, she's catatonic. This implies that there is a psyche to break. Which I, which is interesting. It's like you, you would imagine like if I was designing a brain, you'd make it be able to like compartmentalize and like realize, hey, the only person in here is a dweeb, be scientist. Snap his neck and go out the door, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sure hope in this scene. That Pegasus doesn't have those CCTVs and is like taping guy Balter because we have a whole moment where he takes six PT aside and is like holding her hands. And you know, she's very distraught and explaining like, I have to do this. You probably need to go away. It's really upsetting you, but I have to help her. And it's like, that would look so fucking bonkers. I mean, there's guards outside who should presumably be watching them, watching him be so
not used to him being a weirdo.
neither is Cain who like catches him talking to other people a bunch and is clearly not used to it yet. And reacts very differently than every other character in the show. Everyone else at this point is just all like, yeah, whatever. Gaius talks to himself, we know. She's all like, who the fuck are you talking to?
Mm-hmm. I do like that.
but she can't get a a, a like CCT TV thing of like six PT. It's too expensive to have you in the foreground and background right now. So you need to go away.
We can only have one of you. That's all we can afford right now.
Yeah. So bringing up the psychological healing, he gets caned to agree to food, bathing clothes, the basics.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. He says Too much stick. Not enough carrot.
Yeah. Meanwhile, Adama is checking out Kane's gun collection as she starts talking recent history
and, I was curious, Jair, do you have a rant about this room
I mean. A
because you had a whole rant about sailing ships. Shouldn't you also have a rant about Flintlock Pistols?
Yeah. No, Ben, it had definitely occurred to me. Don't get me wrong, that a flintlock pistol is possibly more out of place than the wooden sailing ship. Why would you have a flintlock pistol? I, that makes absolutely no sense. Uh, this was not lost on me. For sure. I avoided the rant because it was going to just be a copy paste of the one I did a couple of episodes ago.
Just remove boat, add Flintlock,
Yeah. Aaron, actually, can you just copy paste my, my old rant and just whenever I say boat, just replace it with the word gun. That would be great. Thanks. I'm sure that's not a lot of that work for you.
The, the gun. I can almost make a little devil's advocate argument of like, perhaps we had artifacts we fled COBOL with,
well, but it's also at that point, they would've had writing and.
Yeah.
and stuff.
But I, I'm saying like if you fled COBOL with these artifacts and then they just kind of hung around like,
Just 3000
they're like, expense. This is like her showing off like, I am well compensated enough to afford one of the artifact flintlock pistols. Like,
would think anything you brought from COBOL is in a museum,
You haven't met enough rich people.
that's fair. Um,
Cage had a dinosaur head.
I believe that.
He did? He had a T-Rex skull.
Yeah. Also like it's a bunch of guns that are just like sitting in like velvet boxes that are not glass enclosed, which bothers me.
Oh, in a spaceship. Yeah.
Yeah.
soon as you get a banger dropped on, you're just like, oh my shit.
Yeah. It's,
Right?
you need to lock every compartment for when you lose stabilization. Like it's like, you gotta remember, have you ever like ridden in an RV
Mm-hmm.
or a boat and just imagine all of those closed cabinets that we're holding everything. Just open all of them before your trip. That's what this is like.
We also get a fun moment where she's just like, alright, I found this cool place. We're gonna do a strike and Adama's just like a strike. Hell yeah. And she's like, oh, you're down. I was, I was getting ready to be like, Hey, you have to stop babysitting all these, these, you know, these pathetic, civilians and, you know, do an attack with me. He's like, no man. I'm totally down to shoot up some cylon shit.
Fuck them Toasters. Let's do this.
Yeah. Yeah. So. He gets to coordinate the plans. But surprise, we have some personnel reassignments,
Yeah.
And she's like, Hey, your son, he's done a lot of treason.
Not wrong.
yeah,
He's like, she, he's done treason twice.
kids. Am I right?
Yeah. Starbucks too. She's, she's moving Hilo and Ty, we're gonna watch out for them, but for the purposes of the plot, I'm not moving them yet.
mm-hmm. And adama's just like, I don't agree. And she's just like, too bad, so sad. Let me know when you're an admiral.
And when, when Papa Dama has to go tell Lee and Uck, I mean, this is family right here. They, they're like, dad, no,
And Daddy, daddy, I don't want to go to the other Battlestar Daddy. You can't make me go daddy. It's like. Where do you think you work?
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Ready?
And then we get to see how well Starbuck actually fits into a real Battlestar chain of command as the Pegasus CG starts explaining their photo recon mission, and she has thoughts.
Yeah, she talks a bunch of shit. Uh, it gets threatened with the Bri.
Yeah. The CAG is like a talking a lot of shit for somebody who's not going on this mission. She's like, what? She's like, I don't care. You can stay the fuck home.
Yeah. Lee and Starbuck make a quick plan to do the recon mission in the Blackbird instead
and this is just wild to me. Like how does she just like get off Pegasus and go get the Blackbird, but don't worry about it.
the actual Ron Moore Wizard. Magic of the episode. Starbuck leaving a military installation in space.
yeah, we find out like, Hey, where'd the blackbird go? Oh, Lieutenant threes took it. It's like how
Exactly. And literally we just cut from them deciding she's gonna go get the Black Blackbird and do it anyway to Tyre going, Hey, where's the Blackbird?
yeah, it's, it'd be like Ja fair if you called me up and like, Hey Ben, can you pick me up? And I'm like, why Laura borrowed my car? How?
I missed a couple of steps.
Yes.
Yeah, but we don't have time to think about that because we have the Pegasus crewmen getting their booze and getting rowdy. Presumably Pegasus does not have a still, right?
It seems like not. I don't think Kane would be down.
Yeah. They start joking about Cylon rape and Terl to his credit, does try to tell them to shut up politely at this point.
These guys cannot read a room.
No. Nope. I mean, they don't know about any of the details of Sharon. Right.
but it's also like they are on Galactica and everybody on Galactica. Even Callie who shot Boomer is Just like, Hey, fuck you.
Yeah.
Like you are in hostile territory. This is like, They are surrounded by like a dozen people who now like, want to kick their ass. This is the sort of thing you pick up on.
yeah. No, they've, they haven't had booze in too long. They're, they're being clouded by that shine.
Oh, don't worry. Lieutenant Thorn Will, will rougher up just right. And it's like, okay, we, our bad, our, our Pegasus crew are Cane Fisk and Thorn and it's just like nobody has a not bad guy name.
Yeah. These are all very aggressive
Like if you told me like, and Spider-Man showed up and beat up Kane Fis and Thorn, I'd be like, yeah.
yeah. That, that, that happens.
so we get Thorn going into interview slash Abu abuse Boomer, or not Boomer, uh, Sharon. And he's just like, what is this ship? And she's like, I don't know. And he immediately goes to, and now I will sexually assault you until you tell me what I want to know. And it's just like, where are the Galactica guards?
yeah. Uh, presumably they're like outside the room going, what? But like, chain of commanded into silence,
but it's like he's a lieutenant. Like I have to imagine there is a captain of the guard somewhere who could be like, no.
Somebody pick up that phone and call him. They've gotta have a phone in that room, right?
Where's the sergeant in arms to be like, Hey, don't, um,
This is absolutely wild, and I just can't get behind. Kane can't, cannot, like to allow this. I, I just, I, I can't.
Yep. There's more to
bad.
I'm not, I'm not justifying her at all, to be clear. I'm just, I'm just noting that you will learn more.
Yeah. Well, they did tell us one thing about the six was that she had killed seven of their men,
Yeah.
but.
That is also one thing where it's just like, sometimes it's inconsistent where it's just like, why is Sharon letting him beat her up? Like, I understand she's surprised and shocked, but it's also like, where's the crazy cylon strength that like, lets six rip the, or bin, rip the table lo uh, off of its bolts, you
Mm-hmm.
Have we ever seen that kind of strength from a Sharon? Trying to, trying to remember.
I don't know.
We've seen it from a
Yeah. Oh, when she like fought with Starbucks, like she, you know, was kicking the crap outta him. It's just like, why can't Sharon like mule kick this guy through a window?
Yeah,
I mean, she's going through a lot, so Yeah.
Hmm.
This is not me trying to be like, well, why didn't she defend herself? It's just like, Hey, the writing's
yeah, no, that's, I don't think
but I, I'm wondering if, if we've ever seen a Sharon behave this way, if there's some sort of problem with the Sharon model.
I think
mean, 'cause they've kind of implied to us that there might be problems with the Sharon model, like inconsistent. Like it, it, she didn't follow her orders Boomer right away. She was like trying to fight her programming and stuff. And, but it's the six I wonder a little more about, 'cause it's like, well, she killed seven men. How exactly did they subdue that, that cy strength in order for that to happen? But yeah. Yeah.
Tero and Hilo realize what's about to happen here. They run down to try and stop it. In the process they accidentally kill Thorn, uh, they put his head into a bolt sticking out
Which is on the inside of the cell, which implies that the person inside the cell could disassemble the cell.
Oh
It's bad cell design.
Yeah. Bad prison design for sure.
Mm-hmm.
but then we have our bit here where it's like, Hey, one of your guys is dead. and there's a very terse call between Cain and Adama where he's like, they need a trial. And she's like, you ignore trials. What are you talking about? And he's like, you aren't supposed to use my own history against me,
Right, She says the last time you had an independent trial, you, uh, disbanded it when it wasn't doing what you liked.
Uh, we cut over to Baltar who brings Gina some apples and toast? Um,
is crying as she, as she eats this fruit.
Yeah. He tells her who he is and why she is familiar and vis-a-vis important to him.
And again, really, really hope that this room is not bugged on guys Baltar's behalf, because again, this is gonna be really weird and suspicious.
I mean, at that point you're just like, I'm just fucking lying to the cy. Why? Why? Why would you think that? Anything else? I feel like at a certain point you get so ridiculous that it's all like, yeah, I'm just gonna, you know, casually talk about my love affair with a asylum in the Ministry of Defense or whatever before the, right, before the attack. Like,
Yeah. Yeah.
yeah.
know. This gets you on some kind of a watch list, even if you say I'm lying to the silent, like somebody's gonna tap your phone in your cabin.
Lee is out on his mission, and man, Pegasus kegs suck.
Yeah, he really does.
Kelly's waiting outside of Papa's office for news on Tiro and before he can make it down the hall, the court martial is over guilty execution for murder and treason.
I mean, they did do it.
They got like three Marines right there who were on all testify that that's exactly what happened.
Yeah. We were interrogating the Robit and they got mad and killed Lieutenant Thorn. Did you not kill Lieutenant Thorn? We did. It was an accident. Did you, you still killed him though, right? Yeah, treason.
Yeah,
You killed a Huon for a robit.
Yep.
for some reason, and I don't know if it was something about when Cali runs to Papa dama and is trying to appeal to him, I wrote at the end of this, Cali is a fucking problem. have a feeling that Cali is a problem. Like, oh, here comes the face.
Just you wait.
She, I think this is the second or third time now that she's like, run to Papa dama and put on her baddest eyelashes and like, please, please help me Papa dama. And I'm just like, I don't know. love it. I don't love it.
Well, well, I'm not gonna touch this.
Laura, how much do you know about N xm?
no, we do not need to talk about that
was this, was this the actress who was involved with that?
Yes.
Oh
Was a fucking problem.
yeah.
yeah. That's a different day. We'll, we'll cover
there. Grace Park was in there.
No. Oh gosh.
I mean, she's since been cleared of everything and is a victim, and I think, I don't know if Callie's in jail still, Callie
Still.
a while,
Okay.
for being more active on the recruiting side of the human trafficking part of that operation.
Cool.
Yeah. I'm, I'm pretty sure I, I will, uh, I will revoke sentences if I am incorrect and
I am sure there are several True crime podcasts that go all into it,
yeah,
go find one of those guys. Uh,
not, I'm not someone who's doing research on crime. Someone committed. That's not what we do here.
but more importantly, Adama calls up Kane and is like, Hey, I'm getting my people
yeah.
Saul, what are we
justify it. Put them on that fucking raptor.
Yeah, we are launching Vipers.
yeah, he, he wants that jury trial. He wants them back. Uh, She's dictator for life. No, thanks. And
This was a To be continued, that kicked you like, no.
right in the nuts. Right.
yeah. yeah. Pegasus launches their vipers. They target galactic's main guns. We cut to two. Be continued.
Yeah. Importantly, we see that the XO is a fucking yes man. He's not the, the no XO who gets shot, so,
Well that's an episode.
It was an episode.
And as is our way, it's time to rate this one on a scale of one to 12 colonies.
Do I have to,
I fuck. I say, fuck
Yes.
Fuck.
Jair is already out the gate.
Fuck. This is, this is my fuck this episode, this season. Um. For the same reason that I can't watch this, did not get as graphic as like a Handmaid's Tale. And I've made my stance on that show very, very clear in previous episodes. So I'll not reiterate myself, but I get so upset at this stuff that I just get very angry that, that we live in a world where this is something that we could dramatize or happens. It's even worse that it fucking happens. And yeah, so fuck this episode. Yep.
Ben, do you wanna go ahead?
Sure. I, because rating the episode is a rule.
Mm-hmm.
I'm going to actually rate the EPIs the episode.
Fuck. This episode is a rating.
I don't like what happens. But gosh darn it, I was compelled and riveted. There was no like downbeat where I was just like, Hey, this is kind of slowing down a bit. It was. Hey, you wanna feel happy for a minute and then regret that you ever felt happy? Did you forget where you are? We are living in the post apocalypse. Um, I think this is an 11 for me. Like it is, it is not fun. But I was mad that it to be continued me,
Oh, me too, for sure. Yeah.
and I think that is a sign of a great episode.
The thing that got me really mad, and I recognize this is totally irrational, but the fact that Admiral Kane condones this sort of torture. Like as a woman is like, fine with it. I was pretty viscerally mad about that. And I know that it should no matter what, this method of torture should be super bad. But I felt like that sort of betrayal by another sister or something almost I can't describe it Well, because it's not a, it's, it's an emotional thing, not a logical thing.
Mm-hmm.
So, boy, I just really hate her. I don't like her at all. Uh, I understand that I'm gonna find out in this movie that there are reasons we are this way that we are, but I just don't, I just can't be
I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not. The movie does not justify anyone's actions.
It explains,
It explains, it does not
huh.
but that is Battle Sar Galactica, we explain. We do not justify.
Yeah. I, I guess I'm trying to be cool that like, okay, I guess I'm missing contact, but I just, I'm just not with
context is for Kings.
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just a, just a lowly peasant.
Hey, you're a podcaster. You are a step above peasant
are you sure it's above Ben?
as a podcaster. Yes.
Uh, yeah, but I, I will sit with you on the 11 hill, Ben, especially 'cause I already blew my fuck this episode for the season.
you can have as many as you
Bad choices were made.
There's no, there's no limit on, fuck this episodes. Do what you want.
I, I just, I, I firmly believe, like, not fun,
Yeah, I know.
like
No, it is good
wanted to watch the next episode and I feel like the rating should reflect that.
fair
is Very good tv. I want to watch the next episode. I'm also a little scared to watch the next episode. Like
reasonable.
Yeah, you notice I haven't been like rushing to do it. It's been a couple weeks
Well we also, we have something else before we get there too, 'cause it's our movie break next week.
That's true. Yeah.
So originally when we had talked about movie breaks, we like doing stuff the actors are in. and that's why we chose Blade Runner for season one. But while I was reading the, so say we all book about the making of the show, we found out a little thing and that is when a new director would sign up.
To do an episode of Battlestar Galactica, part of the welcome to the Family package that they would send was three DVDs, blade Runner 2001 is Space Odyssey and Black Hawk Down because the all of the main production crew your producers, your cinematographers, your writer crew, all considered those three things to be the mosaic melting pot that forms the visual style of Battlestar Gala acta.
Mm-hmm.
So with that in mind, we're gonna watch another one of those movies. Did we pick, did we set on Black Hawk Down?
I pushed for it real hard.
That seems to be the one that you and I both have not actually
Yeah. And to be honest, notes on 2001 sounds like hell. So we're gonna
I mean, we can cover it at another time and just sort of, maybe watch it and just no doubts it,
Yeah, maybe we should do, uh, a stream at some point where we just live, react and riff. We, We,
Well, at some point Laura will fall asleep because that is Laura's sleeping movie.
Oh, okay. Maybe we, maybe we, that's a bad choice. Regardless. We're watching Black Hawk down next week.
Mm-hmm.
So that's, that's what's on the docket. And then we'll get to season two episode 11, resurrection ship part one after the movie. But before we get to that movie, should remember to say our thank yous. Hey Ben, thanks for joining us today.
my absolute pleasure.
Always great to have you on. If you want to hear Ben and I talk more. Feel free to go pop over to last Time on, which is another show on the wa Hapa, her Podcast Fam Network. We watch a TV show that we haven't seen. We watch the pilot, we roll some dice, we skip a bunch of episodes, and we try to figure out what happened last time on where we're joined by Victor and more famously known as Dominion Media Television on the Facebooks. So that's a lot of fun that show.
Now currently known as VPN Media Television.
Yeah. So thanks. Thanks for tagging along today, Ben. We'll see you again. you have not picked a season three episode yet, so take a look, pick one out. We'll get you on the docket
I mean, season premier, right?
if that's
That's just what, that's just what I do.
Okay. Yeah, I'll put, I'll mark it down. Uh, I'd say the episode name, but it's a spoiler.
I am really excited for what you guys say about black Hawk Down. It's one of my favorite movies.
I've never seen it. I'm looking forward to it. uh, while we're saying thank yous, we can't forget Jeremy Siegel. Hey Jeremy. Thanks so much for giving us a theme song. You can find more at Jeremy's work at jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com and on streaming services is Nuclear Jaguar.
and thanks to angry Duck time machine on Instagram for our podcast artwork.
Didn't make this one easy for you Aaron. Appreciate the hell outta you. Best editor in the game. Thanks so
Mm-hmm. And thanks for being here with US listener. If you wanna talk about more BSG, hop into the Discord. If you've got spoilers though, make sure you ask an admin for Spoiler Town please, because we're keeping 'em away from me.
Yep. I. No Spoily allowed. All right.
It's going pretty well.
managed,
Can we rename Spoiler town to Ferris? Making that face again, I.
you know what? I'm doing it right now, and then in three weeks when the listeners catch up, they'll understand. All right, we'll see you next week. Internet.
Bye.