BSG S1E5 - Ship Meat

Hello and welcome to who are you? This is a reasonably well done podcast hosted by two friends who are currently watching 2004's Battlestar Galactica. I'm Jafar

and I'm Laura.

and we are on season one, episode five. You Can't Go Home Again,

Yeah, so this is the resolution of a actual fax cliffhanger as opposed to the pseudo cliffhangers we've had every single episode up till the previous. Mm

it's also like the first five episodes are kind of a, cohesive arc.

hmm.

And after this, we get into more modular episodes for a little bit, I think.

No, I would agree with that. I I was trying to decide if I was going to save this statement for the next episode or go ahead and make it here, but I, I feel like I'll go ahead and at least allude to it here that I feel like there is a theme across all these episodes, at least in the first half of the season. I don't know if I can speak for the whole season. And I would call that theme just very loosely, Grow Up. We get some growing up for Adama and Lee in this one.

Yeah.

And we had some growing up in the last one for Starbuck herself. And we get some growing up in the next one for someone else. So, I don't, you know, I don't know if that was how the creators saw it in their minds, but that's what's coming across to me.

There's a bit more of that down the road too, I won't say anything for the sake of spoilers, but if you've looked at the episode titles, they allude to at the very least one character having to have a grow up moment.

I sure hope it's Colonel Ty in Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down. I sure hope that's his grow up moment.

Well that's, that's a real Colonel Ty Strong episode, so, we'll get to it. Uh, I literally can't even begin to describe that episode without giant spoilers. To the point

I mean,

I bet the episode description is giant spoilers for that one.

oh, you

It's it, like the thing that defines that episode happens within like the first five minutes of memory serves.

Oh, okay, yeah. So it's one of those. The thing happens and then we grapple with it the whole time. I cannot wait to have our friend Ryan on for that episode because I suspect, I'm sure there's interesting stuff in that episode, but I think that the title was a non zero part of why he chose to be on that episode.

Well, the title is It'll make sense when we get there.

Okay, I can't wait. I'm looking forward to it, but we're going to have a movie break before that,

yes, our movie break is in a few weeks. As of air, I think it's actually about a month away from this episode airing, give or take, but that's just because we've been building up a stockpile over the winter break for In between my new job and yours new semester, we've been stockpiling episodes.

Responsibility reasons. We're being responsible people. Look at us.

So yeah, it's nice to be well in advance, but it also means that we won't be very uh, reactionary. So when this airs after, I don't know, January 20th, you know, hell after January 6th, yeah,

all we're, all we're doing is discussing podcasts and people are like, everything's on fire. What's, what's wrong with you two? Yeah.

that's why.

Don't worry, Lister. I'm sure we'll blow our lead at some point, so don't even worry about it. We'll be back to being right on top of it with you.

Surely at some point. Uh, right.

Okay. So let's resolve this cliffhanger, huh? Oh

Uh, we open with Hot Dog being rescued by Boomer in Crashdown as they search for Starbuck. Apollo gives Hot Dog his wings. Although actually, that's his major rank pin.

Yeah, I was like, wait, is he getting a field promotion? Now, I don't know military stuff. I think that's become clear at this point in this series that Laura knows nothing about military, but I feel like One of the last groups of people that I want getting field promotions is my pilots. Like, probably doctors is another one. Don't love that. I don't want to field promote a doctor

Like someone who is not a doctor, yeah.

Right, right. Well, if you have like a civilian doctor and you're like, congratulations, civilian doctor. Now you're a lieutenant or whatever. That's fine. But if you haven't finished doctor school, like I'm a little worried about that. As I am worried about the pilot who just had his first day, even though he did shoot down one Cylon.

Yeah, I think there's a bit of a time. It's, well, it's hard to say. We don't get, a day since Days on Caprica for Helo here, right?

Oh, we do. We do.

we?

It's day 15. Yeah. So it's been a day. It's been one

It's been one day. Okay. Well, she started training them on Day 12, right? So.

I don't remember if it was 12 or 14. I thought it was

it doesn't matter. Regardless, not enough training.

No, no, no. No, no, no, no. So I'm a little anxious about that for everyone, but you know what? It's TV. It'll be

Hotdog is also the one that washed out of the academy. So he might have years of training that we don't know about. They don't say when he washed out,

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. They don't say that he washed out because he couldn't fly, either. He could have washed out because he had an attitude. Like, you know, other, other stuff. Okay. I will buy that. I'll buy that more than the girl who, like, crashed on the flight deck or whatever.

Yeah. A cat doesn't get her wings today.

Right. Right.

over on the set of the Martian, Starbucks parachute drags her until she can cut it to theme.

Yeah. It's just the wind, too, right?

I mean, that's what parachutes are for catch and wind that's their

Yeah. Well, you know, it's not like there's a monster dragging her by her parachute or something or, you know, it's, it's just really windy and hostile out

Yeah. If this were TNG, monster, dragon that shit a hundred percent.

Yeah. And so I think in the previous scene too, Apollo's tech was trying to get his like Viper ready to go to join the search. And Adama, like, pounced on Lee in the cockpit to tell him to go find Starbuck. ha ha. ha.

After theme, Adama and Gata do some table setting, including. And, I fucking love this. Adama asking Gaeta how much time Starbuck has left to reveal Felix has already set a fucking timer and it's, like, within eyesight of Adama. Like, the frame shows us him looking at it as he asks him.

That's when you really know your boss and how to anticipate his needs. Like what a support person, Mr. Gaeta and his team

I mean I think it's safe to say that Felix just loves his clocks.

Hmm. I mean, who doesn't love a countdown

Yeah,

and we already had them all ready to go. Cause we were just counting down 33 and over.

exactly. That was all him. He was the one resetting all those clocks.

Yeah.

just loves his clocks.

Yeah. So Colonel Tai told us that there were only two gravity wells that had the potential. To have absorbed Starbucks

Ship.

vehicle. There's a gas giant, which, I mean, we're, we're toast if we hit the gas giant, sounds like,

like pretty quick radiation death there.

and a moon that's not great, as we said in the last episode, not M class for Star Trek people. And those are the two places we need to, to try to focus on. The moon more likely. Mm

Uh, Adama here the commander, is pretty sure that time is on their side. Since this was a patrol without a base star, he kind of throws down this logic chain where he's like, look, they're probably just patrolling around, probably do a couple of days at a time, probably do this, probably do that, anywhere where there might be resources that we might be looking for, they don't know where we are.

Mm hmm. And we've been told Starbuck has 46 hours of oxygen. We think we can get away with staying put even a little bit longer than that before the Cylons notice their missing patrol.

Roslyn calls to let Adama know the other pilots and captains are all willing to help search efforts. Mm hmm.

Yeah, that was really

They don't, we never see any of them do it, but,

We hear about it though.

They're like, kept far away from the moon, though. It's like, it's wild to me that, like, the immediate plan is to keep them on the other side of the system, like

See, I didn't get that part, but I heard them talking about like, well, you know, we're gonna. Move them at one point. I could see that maybe like they can't go into atmosphere. To look at the,

Yeah.

moon, because it seemed really rough down there. Like we see Lee having all that turbulence and a hard time, and they've probably got like civilians on all their ships. So you can't just like go knock people's heads around in the turbulence.

Yeah, but I mean, I imagine some of those ships could probably handle that, and maybe you offload some civvies.

Yeah. Rearrange some people. You guys go hang out on the astral queen for a while while we

Yeah.

look at the atmosphere.

Yeah, like, Colonial One's got a ton of windows. Just have some people looking out some windows.

Yeah, exactly. We also get Gaia sitting with her. Well, she makes this phone call and he gets a visit from 6PT while he's sitting with the

Yeah, this had very, this episode was directed by Quentin Tarantino vibes uh, which is to say lots of footshots. Just lots of footshots, an uncomfortable amount of footshots.

Everything with 6PT is very uncomfortable.

Yeah.

She's, like, taunting him and, like, kissing his fingers. So he's just sitting there in front of the President with, like, his hand up and orgasm face going on.

I can't wait for two episodes from now.

Oh no, it's going to get worse, because these already make me, give me like the heebie jeebies there. It's just so

We'll get there when we get there.

And the music is starting to give me anxiety. Like every time it starts, I'm like, Oh no, it's another creepy, weird 6BT sex thing. Oh no, oh no. Uh,

get a count on the board here in the background? 47, 958, if you didn't catch it.

47, 000? Weren't we at 45 before? What happened? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm remembering it

Okay. I think we were at 49 and then they had to blow up the liner and then they dropped down to 47.

I've just got odd numbers in the brain somewhere. yeah, so he distracts Rosalind from his own weirdness for a minute by suggesting that the search for Starbuck may be unwise. I'm no fan of Gaius. We know this. I do think he has a point.

uh, He is. The best kind of villain in ways sometimes where it's very hard to argue with him.

Yeah. It's like that the Onion headline that's been going around again. That uh, worst person you know just made a great point. Yeah. That's Gaius Baltar for

Uh, Man, my favorite version of that same exact thing is the uh, the good place Version where um, have you seen the good place?

I have not, but I've seen lots of

Okay, so it's It's Ted Danson and he's going, Jason figured this out, Jason. I got to admit, this is a real low point for us because that character is an idiot in the show. And it's so, but they replaced the first panel with like the one I saw most recently was like, and Colter bitching about tech bros only being interested in. Uh, allowing H 1B visas because they're basically enslaving workers that way.

Right, right,

Um, and that it's Ann Coulter figured this out? This is a real low point.

I, I have seen some of the things to that effect. Yeah. Yeah. There's been some interesting cognitive dissonance is uncovered recently.

and I mean, like, has a guy who's worked in IT for almost a decade at this point, and specifically in the data space that I work in I have a lot of uh, Indian peers who, who are on those types of visas, both here and in Canada, and 100%. It's like, I hate my job, and I'm abused by my boss, but I can't quit because I will get deported. Real fucking problems.

Yeah. That is so interesting.

is, it is a huge thing right now.

Hmm. I find something really interesting in here, that 6PT is super jealous of Starbuck. So weird. Like, you're inside Gaius's head. Why, why are you surprised by anything, or jealous about any, I don't know. And Six clearly knew who and what Gaius was, that's part of how she was able to manipulate him in the beginning of all of this. So why are we jealous?

are we jealous? Man? I actually have a really compelling theory about this that I can't talk about.

We'll get there eventually, I'm

Yeah.

Yeah. I, I have something else to say about that, but it's actually, I think, in the next episode. So I'm going to, I'm going to hold on to it, but I just find this jealousy very interesting. But Rosalyn is doing a great job. Mom and dad generally are doing a good job here of presenting the united front to the children and saying, no, no, no, your dad's made the decision. I stand with dad's decision. And she does. She does and dismisses his concern for

Yeah. On the moon, Starbucks patches up what she can. She checks her radio and the atmosphere, both of which are not good news.

No, she's got like little test strips for atmosphere. I like that. That's a neat touch.

she resolves to get to higher ground to help aid in her ability to be found.

And Lee is also like down in the atmosphere at this point. We see him like struggling with the visibility. And he almost eats this canyon wall. Oh. Because he couldn't even see it right in front of him, he has to pull up real sharp.

How different would this episode be if Lee died right here?

oh, yeah. Like, how bad would it be if Lee died right here? But also, we didn't, cause you know, he's got the, what do they call that? The raptor with him, right? But the raptor is also having trouble. And like, they didn't see him die. So maybe he just crashed and he's also lost. Like, how bad does Adama spin out in that situation?

Does, like, does it just get ten times worse? If it's any other pilot besides Lee, he's all like, We can't do this, we're just gonna kill everyone, we need to go. And does he deal with it that way? Like,

Yeah. But, if he, if he loses Lee and that he doesn't know Lee is gone, like, whew. Yeah. Now we're gonna go over to Caprica, though. This is where I caught the Day 15,

Yeah. Sharon and Helo have resupplied sufficiently and are ready to move on. Helo goes to make some brekkie when a Centurion rolls in. The toaster goes off. And

betrays him. Oh, and it's so funny, too, because the toaster has that red light on the

it's chrome. Yeah, no, it's perfect.

it's beautiful. Just like, chef's kiss. Love it.

This shootout starts when Sharon leaves the bunker. Uh, Hilo gets one, hides from the other. And like, kinda gets like, knocked out. As we cut back to the moon.

Yeah, like all the Le Creuset starts falling off the walls. And those sons of bitches are heavy. One knocks him out when he's hitting the head. Heh heh heh

starbuck is wandering around the moon. She throws a prayer to the Lords of Kobol, and is immediately greeted with a landed Cylon Raider.

Yeah, this is sort what I would call, like, a half assed prayer. It's the kind of prayer that I might throw up because I'm not a person who grew up praying and don't always have, like, Feelings of strong faith, and so it's kind of weak and slapped together, and I totally identify with that, but it seems to work, right?

Yeah. Seems to be the case. Uh. Heh

Yeah, we've got this downed Cylon fighter so interesting that she, like, crawls along and approaches it with her gun out.

hmm.

I can't imagine that we as humans really know. Like, what the fighter ships are like. I mean, she's obviously really surprised by some things about it. But, you know, she doesn't know if there are actually, like, other Cylons inside.

Yeah, I think that's the assumption. And when she sees the headshot that she pulled off right there, she assumes that she has killed the pilot, mostly correctly,

Yeah.

just she didn't realize what was going on there. Uh, I think she thought there was just a Cylon inside of there.

Yeah, she doesn't seem to be fazed at all by the, like, blood dripping out of that headshot.

Yeah, that was, does she's aware Cylons look like humans? Yes, because she, she is because she was part of the poker table where they were talking to Baltar about his human Cylon detector with Gaeta.

Oh, okay. I was wondering that next. Like, does she actually know that the Cylon human problem is

yeah, so she probably sees that and thinks that there was a humanoid Cylon inside of there at first, leading to her reaction later when she realizes that

I feel like, if I'm remembering it correctly, they, it was like blood out of the headshot and then maybe some blood from beneath like the, the red light, maybe. It was in two places, I think, that I thought was really interesting. Like, you know, when you see depictions of say a human headshot, you might see like the injury and then also like they bled out of their mouth or something, you know, like coughing up blood. And I thought that was an interesting, like.

I mean, we've had some explanations about, like, humans, like, landing and getting splattered because of the force, which is a thing that we have to worry about with jets and planes and things right now, to be perfectly honest. Um, and so, that might have been.

She's really proud of herself for that headshot and she. seems to plan to fix this Cylon ship and fly out of there, which I just, I put so many question marks in my notes right here. Cause I was like, this doesn't even seem like a good plan. Like

it's the only one she's got.

I, it's true. It's true. It just doesn't seem like a good idea even at this level. I I'm amazed how she pulls it

She's like barely able to walk. She's mostly pulling herself around. So

Yeah.

back on the ship, Tai suggests keeping the civvies in a defensible formation, which Adama abuse immediately with all of the fury he contained last episode.

Yeah. Yeah. He lost his cool. It's more about finding Starbuck. Um, But again, worst person I know makes great point. Like, Ty isn't wrong.

Yeah.

The civilians should be in a defensible position, like, especially if you have, like we said, ships that maybe I have to take the whole ship to look, you know. There could be hundreds, thousands of defenseless civilians. Innocent people on my ship who did not make this decision, it's not fair to them to put them at risk too, too far.

Yeah.

So I do think Ty is just being a responsible XO, so I just Adama, get it together.

We go back to Caprica here and. For Helo, it's suddenly blue color coded when he uh, wakes up. And Sharon is nowhere to be found. It's supposed to be nighttime, but it's still kinda like daytime out when he leaves? And it was breakfast time? I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. I don't think they do a good job of explaining it. It's just very blue on Caprica for some reason.

Is it just a, like a, a nuclear Winter fallout thing happening, maybe, like, all of a sudden we've got some cloud cover we didn't have before, like, weather patterns are all messed up, I don't know, but Sharon's not in the bunker, she's not in the restaurant, and he really does, like, go out in the street just calling for her, which seems very stupid for a man who was just ambushed by the Battlebots, like, come on!

Starbuck looks for a way into the Raider. Mm hmm. Only to be surprised by how organic the inside is.

Me too, Starbuck! Yeah, the ship is full of meat. Like, ship meat.

ship meat.

So, I had already correctly assumed earlier in an episode that the fighters did not have crews aboard them. That they were just straight robot and I did not include in that that they would also have the meaty bits that the 12 Cylon models

Yes. Um, There is a reason for this,

For the

for the meaty bits? And I don't know if it's explicitly explained at any point, but I know that there is a episode, I think in Season 2 called Scar, that goes a bit more into about the Raiders. specifically. Um, And, if it's not explicitly said there, we understand why

Okay. I guess where I'm going with it in my head would be that, like, there is something about having organic components that creates a better processor. Mm hmm. Like, that, and this is so silly, this is gonna sound like the silliest thing, but in my undergraduate, I had took a philosophy class and a paper that I wrote for that class was like, if we could create a sufficiently, like, advanced human like computer and even mimic the organic components and stuff, do we also create a soul?

huh.

And I wrote this paper talking about 2001. And Blade Runner, the book, as my references. And I kind of wish I had known anything about this show at that time.

huh. Hahahahaha.

Cause it seems like that's what the show is asking. Sometimes I'm like, Hmm, did Ronald D Moore and I have the same thought at about the same time, because that would have been in 2004 5, 6, you know, that I wrote this paper. So Independently asking a similar question, but one of us had a lot more resources.

Haha!

And talent. And talent. Let's go there too.

Ah, yeah, so, uh, just all kinds. Of shipmeat in here. Starbuck is kind of a gas dead at all.

Yeah.

We, we cut over to Apollo who suggests pulling the defense Vipers away from the civilian fleet to help with the search. Tie objects and Lee yells at him about it.

Yeah. I want to call out a specific phrase said in this scene in conversation. So Lee is hassling Tyrell about fixing his Viper and Tyrell's got no spares and at one point he says. You can push people a lot harder than you can push machines.

Yeah.

And I thought that was a weird thing to say.

makes sense though, because when a machine hit hits a breaking point, it stops because it's broken when a person hits a breaking point. You can keep going. You just pay for it later.

Yeah. Well, and you think about the episode 33 where. They were all being pushed to their limit, but they were still hanging on after five days, was that right? Of constant jumping and no sleep, et cetera, et cetera. But the Cylons were still right behind them. They were still, like, there.

I mean, the breaking point for a machine and the breaking point for a person are not at the same place.

mm hmm. Yeah, yeah,

theirs.

yeah. I don't know. I was just like, huh, that's a, that's like a throwaway line. But in the context of this show, I think you can think about it a lot more. Lee actually like grabs Ty's collar doesn't he? Ooh,

Yeah, it's getting spicy in CIC. For sure.

I don't know what the chain of command is like in this universe. is is

Adama Tai the, the second officer

Uh

Lee. I think Lee is the fourth, there might be other majors on board, but Lee is like the fourth highest ranking military official. In fact he might be tied with the second officer on Galactica, I think that person might also be a major.

I guess I, I've never really thought about this, because I don't think about the military that much, but because I think about the four different branches we have, right? And I kind of, in my head was almost lumping like Adama and Tai into Navy, where Lee would be Air Force. But the purpose of rank is still like, if you are dealing with another branch, you still have a hierarchy. You're not just because you're in another branch. Like, totally separate

yeah, so we handle that in the, in the, U. S. by, the rank names might be different depending on your branch, but there's just like E1 through 6, or E1 through 9, I think technically, and then O1 through 9, and those are consistent across.

Okay.

So, like, an E6 might be like a Staff Sergeant in the Army, and that might be a different title in a different branch because you've got your Army, your Navy, your Air Force, your Coast Guard, and your Space Force. Are the five branches of a military.

Yeah. I was forgetting about

And I believe the Marines are just part of the Navy. Technically. I don't think there are separate branch regardless. Who Ron the chat? I don't know. Anyways.

Yeah. But I think in Galactica land, it really is just like one military, like my mental division between Leigh and the rest is, is not accurate.

I think there are other branches. I just don't think we deal with them. They always stir. I think maybe it might be better to say there were other branches.

Sure. Yeah. Cause they probably were elsewhere when all this occurred. But I guess there is maybe a little bit of like, not official division between Lee and everyone else just because he's been picked by President Rosalyn for a thing. So there might be a little bit of like, I laid my hands on the superior officer. But I have the protection of the president a little bit, so,

Yeah, I mean, also, I'm agreeing with my dad, and my dad's telling you to do the thing.

yeah, there's the other thing, like,

So,

yeah, yeah

Starbuck cuts this raider brain out as her oxygen starts to dwindle.

yeah,

is the thing that makes no sense to me because she looks at it and she's got a quarter of her oxygen tank left, but she's got like two hours of oxygen left out of her 48.

uh huh,

would be like more than like a quarter of a tank is more than two hours because it's just like it's either a very poorly designed gauge, Like, if it's just like a PSI gauge, because at a certain point the PSI will just normalize, and it'll be effectively empty, it depends on how it works. Um, so maybe, it might not be a gauge of how full the tank is, it just seems to me to be Needlessly poorly designed because you would think that it would be more in line with time than anything else.

hmm,

if it's all proportional. I just don't know how you use. Cause it was three quarters of a tank and she had 46 hours. So make it make sense. It's a curve and I don't like it. It shouldn't be.

yeah, and so, she's running out of oxygen, and wonders how this thing breathes, because if it's organic, it must breathe, and I don't know, I don't know that I,

it doesn't have lungs. She didn't cut lungs out of it.

yeah, yeah. Yeah.

It's, I mean, why would you engineer inorganic brain to require oxygen? If it's going to operate in space,

Yeah. Like, if you could, why would you do that? Why? Yeah. I don't know. I was like, hmm. Okay.

it's very convenient for her though.

It is. It is. And President Roslin gives a call to Lee. She's pretty upset that they're still searching. Um, she points out that they're being a bit hypocritical.

This fleet is defenseless. Come on now.

And Lee tries to convince himself otherwise.

just trying to make it work in his brain meat so that he can do the thing he wants to do. Commander Adama does not handle Gaeta's countdown ending well. Telling Gaeta to fuck off and relieving the colonel of duty.

Yeah. So worst person we know, Tai made a good point. But now we have some apprehension from Gaeta as well to like back up that like, Hey, like. This isn't making a lot of sense anymore. Cause Gata is actually super nice and we like Gata. We have not seen anything from him to not like him.

Yes, that is true.

And so Ty like, we've seen him act like a jerk and we've seen him like rationing his booze and we've seen him be needlessly aggressive at Starbuck.

hmm.

So we can discount his opinion that they're putting people at risk, but it's a little harder to discount Gata. and Adama is still on. A terror about this.

So, uh, Starbuck finds the O2 tube here. After about 30 minutes past the end of oxygen, the president calls to offer condolences. And an hour and 15 minutes after, she starts knocking on the door.

So, cutting tubes in an organic spacecraft raider. We, we know this thing. She, she assumes, okay, well, if it's organic, it's got to have oxygen. Well, organic stuff also has waste too, right? What if you accidentally cut the wrong

Oh, you cut the poop tube! Oh no!

You thought it smelled bad before.

Oh.

Now I'm picturing these like, Cylon Raiders going to their base star. And they, like, get stuff, they get one tube plugged up the butt to, like, give them more oxygen, and then they, like, squeeze out the poop tube.

Hehehe.

That's what they do when they come

Totally, exactly what happens. Meanwhile, Starbuck is trying to figure out how to fly this raider, and while Ty fills Rosalyn in on the history of the Adamas and Kara.

Yeah. Poor Rosalind, too. Like, Being this outsider already in this situation of military people who have their thing, they already know each other really well and you have to go knock on the door to be like, what the fuck are you doing guys? And now you're getting like the rundown about who is sleeping with who and who feels like they're whose daughter and like, you just want to keep 47, 000 ish people alive, and you're dealing with everybody's fee fees all the time.

It sure does.

She, she like starts dressing them down when Tai gets her to Adama's quarters, I

Yeah, she tells the commander that he's lost perspective and is putting the fleet at risk, tells them to give up for the future of humanity, and the commander and Lee kind of look at each other uh, he orders the search to end and the fleet to prep to leave, and as if on cue, Starbuck gets the Raider into the air this moment.

yeah. Engines online. up.

hmm.

I wondered, I wrote down in my notes here, how can she see anything?

That's a good question.

We don't get like, there's a view screen or anything. And it's like, was the red light like just a little window? But even if it is, even if the red light thing is a window, that was really narrow.

Yeah, it'd be tough to work with, I gotta imagine. Did she have to pull an actual eyeball out from behind the red light?

oh man. Yeah, that'd be great. Just one eyeball though. Just one. Yeah.

a track.

And how is her flight suit? Cause she just like tucked her flight suit into the bullet hole. Like there's, there's the one bullet hole for one thing, like there, I guess there's not any others. She tucks her flight suit into that and then just like takes off. It's like, okay, I hope that's airtight,

Yeah. I would have been trying to get the oxygen tube, like, tied up into my flight suit.

for real, she's just like, okay, I'm just going to go. With this oxygen like blowing at me, I think is what she's got it doing. I don't know.

Use it to fill up your tank and then maybe cinch it off? Yeah.

Yeah,

I guess depending on how pressurized you might not be able to refill it.

Back on Galactica, Leigh and Adama are having to confront their choices. Leigh is not sure his dad would have done the same thing for him.

yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like Kara's family. He's all like, would you have done the same for me? And then the commander's all like, yeah, well you, I mean, you're my third favorite. We would have left days ago, but I would have tried. Nah, it's a yeah, it's a

I

father, son moment.

It really is, because he's like, if it were you, I wouldn't be leaving. Like, I would be saying, fuck the president and stay here. Which, that's why I wondered, if he had also disappeared in this, how bad Adama would be spinning out. Because he was already spinning out pretty bad.

Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm

Oh, and it's so funny that Rosalind decides that she's gonna stay on Galactica for this jump. Because she needs to see them actually do it with her own eyeballs. She refuses the offer of a shuttle

Yeah.

her Colonial

just sit this one out. No bigs, no bigs.

I want to see how the professionals do it, she says.

Diplomatically, so well. Kara is starting to make it back here. Has Hotdog and Apollo launch when they catch the Raider on Dratus. Hotdog's Viper fails to launch. Apollo catches up with the Raider. But Starbuck is just so good. Almost magically good at piloting.

I

dances around Apollo firing at him. She never fires at him until she can show him her call sign painted on the wings.

thought this was duct tape. I thought she had like yellow emergency tape

makes more sense to me because I'm like, where the hell did she get paint? How did she have oxygen to go and paint it? How did she get outside with her flight suit and everything? None of this makes sense to me.

Yeah. I could see, I can give a little headcanon to it and say that she had the emergency duct tape.

Yeah, well she used it to patch her suit, we saw that.

yeah, yeah. And that before she even got into the Cylon fighter, she went ahead and did that. Just like real quick. Just like, gonna slap the Starbuck on here because I know I'm getting out of here on this thing. So, I, I can give her that. I, yeah. I think that this whole plan was really foolhardy, though.

hmm.

Oh man, I mean, I know there's nothing better at this point, but, like, yikes. Yikes. She got lucky it was Lee. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah.

And just Lee.

Yeah, if it were a couple vipers she probably would've got blown out before anyone would've even noticed.

Mm hmm.

She's brought aboard as the crew celebrates. Yes. Lee goes and uh, catches her as she's getting, like, carded to medbay. And he comments on the smell.

I did think it was very interesting, also, that Adama uh, Got very excited when Leigh's like, Oh my god, it's Starbuck. It's definitely her. Like, he yells to bring her in, but to shoot if it does anything weird.

Yeah.

still thinking like, oh, could be Cylon problem here. he doesn't let that totally overrule all of his better judgment. But still, I don't know, after the whole, what was that ship, Olympic carrier incident? Where the Olympic carrier, like, might have been under Cylon control for 30 minutes or so? Or was it a few hours?

yeah, it was uh,

Whatever. A shorter period of time. Starbuck Cylon Raider.

Mm hmm.

Do we completely trust Starbuck? It seems like we do,

Yeah,

magic. But I don't think I would,

Yeah.

because we don't know what's in those Raiders. I mean, now she's bringing us the ship back and we can see all the ship meat and stuff. But still, there was that unknown period of time. You don't know what happened down there. I would, I would have suspicions, like, for weeks. Probably, maybe even forever after all of that.

Yeah. Well, that's fair. The commander goes and greets her in medbay, tells her that he's proud of her they have a nice little proud papa moment too,

Mm

and gives her her la gives her his last cigar to credits.

hmm. Ta da!

And that's the episode. On a scale of one to twelve colonies, what are you thinking?

This is probably the least cliffhanging episode. I'm not going to say it's no cliffhanger because we still have all that shit going on with Hilo that we don't know what's up with him at all. So that is nice to have a feeling of a bit more resolution.

Mm hmm.

But yeah, I've got a lot of questions about how Starbuck pulled this off. I kind of had thought, when we had the cliffhanger here, that maybe she was going to have some more resolution to do about the whole Zack thing, but I guess she's just surviving, so that makes sense.

Yeah?

Hmm. I'm going to have to bump this one down to a nine, I think, because I have all those questions. It's almost overridden by the questions that the show wants me to be asking now about the shipmeat and other things. But there's just some like logical questions and I'm like, you didn't fully get me on board with my suspension of disbelief here.

I would agree with that entirely. I think that this is meant to be something for much later in the show.

Hmm.

gonna, I'm gonna leave it, I'm gonna leave it at that. I think this is an episode that I did not like my first time viewing for the exact reason you did not like it. And I'm giving it a 10 out of 12 this time.

Okay,

I think that this episode, with the context of the full series behind it, is a stronger episode.

okay, that'll help.

All right, well, that said, next up, Season 1, Episode 6, Mitmas. When a new copy of Doril, a Cylon who had previously been exposed while serving as Galactica's public relations officer, sneaks aboard and blows himself up, killing three people, Commander Adama and President Rosalyn must finally make public the terrifying secret known only to a select few. Cylons now look like humans.

Oh no, that was almost a little spoilery.

Eh,

Eh, it's fine. I think if a description spoils something that happens during the episode, at this point, we're like, pretty much every time. You and I are speaking, we've either had to watch one ahead, or like, that's the very next thing we're watching. I'm not as concerned about those kind of descriptions, cause like, we're right

yeah. I mean, I have seen ones where it has ruined the twist at the end of the episode. And I, and I have avoided using those descriptions. So I am, I'm looking at like, I've got a place that I've been going to. I've been looking at one. If I like it, I run with it. If I think it's too much spoilies, I find a different one.

Yeah, that's fair. I, I appreciate that, because like, spoiling a detail in the episode? Meh. Spoiling a twist at the end of the episode? I would

Yeah, especially Big Twist. I even think, yeah, the one on next episode, I didn't like any of them that I found, so I just wrote one.

No

bits out of ones that I didn't, the stuff I didn't like out of ones I didn't, thought was too much.

Huh. Okay. I remember looking at the one on Apple because we're watching it on Apple TV and I don't remember seeing anything bad about

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it. All right.

hmm.

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