Hello and welcome to Who Are You? A reasonably well done sci fi watchcast hosted by two friends who are currently watching 2004's Battlestar Galactica. I'm Laura.
Ja'far. Hey, that's the first time you did the intro! The new intro!
It is the first time I did the intro. Yeah, I like it. It'll get more natural. I was definitely reading a script, but it'll get better.
I, too was reading the script, so no worries there. yeah, new intro. Feels good. New pod feels good. We got, we got our new pod shoes on for the new year, you know, is episode four of our new show coverage. But you know, it's new year, new us, big vibes.
Uh Huh. Yeah, and today we're watching Battlestar Galactica, Season 3, Episode 9, Unfinished Business.
Oh, Oh no.
you know this episode by name, Ja'far?
Unfinished business. Season three, episode nine. Which one is that? Don't you, how do you know? You should know that. How do you know that?
so I googled it for this joke because I knew there was a boxing episode and today we are recording on Boxing Day.
that's right. We are recording on Boxing Day and that is the boxing episode. Okay.
Yeah, it was just a jokey joke. I didn't look at anything about the episode, I just googled Battlestar Galactica Boxing.
All you need to know is that there's boxing. No, we're recording on Boxing Day. Yesterday was was Christmas. That's it's fun. It's good times. We're just talking about our our family travels and traditions.
yeah. I hope everyone had a nice holiday of any sort here in December. yeah,
this airs on New Year's Day, which means as you're listening to this, I am hungover. Probably not actually. I, I haven't had a hangover in a long time. I, I, let me, let me correct that. Anytime I've earned a hangover, I've managed to escape. I've had little hangovers. The, the, the curse of being on the precipice of 40, is you'll have, like, three glasses of wine and wake up with a hangover, and you didn't even get loaded.
And, and then sometimes I'll be like, Oh, it's drinkin drinkin heavy with the boys tonight, and I just wake up and feel fine. So,
Yeah. It's those electrolytes.
mmm,
Gotta get those electrolytes.
in the fridge. Can't mess around with that. Maybe I'm underestimating the little drink. Maybe that's my problem.
I hope everyone has a lovely new year. 2025 is going to bring us. We can all hang on tight.
Yeah, we have some life changes. I mean, you got your second semester of school coming up. I, I will be, when this airs, I will be starting a new job in a couple of days. as this records, I am finishing my last day of work at my current employer. So in movements.
Big congrats to all.
Hope everyone has an excellent new year. I hope your new year starts better than this episode starts for the crew of the Galactica cause damn, it's a bad day.
Yeah. So we get, we open this episode, season one, episode two, water with a little last time on, I think, are we just going to get last times on
I believe
for the show? Okay. It's helpful. I wrote down when I was watching this question. I was just wondering if all the Sharons are programmed to think they're human. Because it seems like we know of two that seem to think they're human. I don't know.
Do they?
Well, it seems like Battlestar Sharon thinks she's human. Don't 100 percent know about Caprica Sharon.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna try and make things a little easier here. Why don't we refer to Battlestar Sharon by her callsign Boomer.
Okay,
And then we, Caprica
Caprica is just
is just Sharon. for now.
Okay. Yeah, yeah. Good call. So, I thought when we opened this episode after our last time on, Where we have Boomer dripping wet. I thought it was some kind of lab. I thought this was Sharon on Caprica. Because when we saw them last, it was like pouring rain.
Yeah.
And so I thought that they had just like found something and she was dripping wet from that and it took me a little bit to like catch up to what we were doing.
They misled you. You, one might say Ron Moore has a plan. Yeah, so, Boomer is just like absolutely drenched. Sees a, her bag next to her, opens it, finds a towel, a uniform, and a bomb.
Mm hmm. Yeah, and she freaks out about this bomb and disarms it.
She runs out and has a brief conversation with Callie. And Callie lets her know that more time has passed than she has thought. She thinks it's the night before and Callie's all like, it's the morning, what are you talking about? And Cher is just like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
she goes to look at the weapons locker She discovers there are a whole bunch of G4 detonators missing, and I guess that was what she had in her bag, was a G4 detonator.
it's like
so she, like, puts that one back, but,
Yeah, six bombs are missing to theme.
Yeah. Beeping ominously, one might say.
I would say ominous is the best word for those bombs.
Definitely. When we come back from theme, Colonel Tai. freaking out about Colonial One showing up. And I guess he can't, like, get his dress uniform together or whatever. And then he appears to also be meticulously rationing his booze stash.
Yeah, he's, he's countin the shots, he's countin the fingers of whiskey. He's got left uh, fingers of whiskey, of course, being an actual measurement of whiskey. Um, it's a little different for everyone, but
Maybe because we all have different finger sizes.
A hundred percent. Uh
Yeah, no not a great situation for Colonel Tai. I do wonder now, I bet it's going to come up that like how much booze is left in this fleet, like.
It's a thing. Uh, And it is addressed, and there are, there, there will be stills. I'll, I'll,
Yeah, I was gonna say, there's gotta be some ship that like, puts together a still, yeah. he can't be the only functional alcoholic left in a population of forty something thousand humans.
when there's this much military involved.
Yeah. Yeah.
so we see Lee, who's having a PTSD flashback to destroying the Olympic carrier. He goes to talk to his dad about it, and he's like, Son, that was three fucking days ago. Give it up.
Yeah. Daddy is not interested in hearing about your guilt and sadness.
Yeah. Your guilt. It's my guilt. Fuck off. I gave the order. Well,
to heal a little bit.
anyways. Lee is concerned with his accountability and things here. But
Yeah,
Really can't be bothered.
not very satisfying here at the beginning. I think the conversation with Rosalind at the end is a little more satisfying, but
Speaking of which, she comes on board for some ceremonial shit while one of the ships in the fleet docks off to exchange its gray and black tanks for clean water.
Uh Huh. We get some important world building here about Galactica has these water recyclers that can, you know, Make water clean, and so we can reuse it.
efficient.
Yeah. But a lot of our smaller ships don't have that capability, so they have to like, exchange their water
Mm-hmm Let let Galactica systems clean all the water for the fleet. Yeah.
Yeah,
We even get some lip service too, this won't be a problem for years! Hehehe. Was a mistake.
So, Roslyn's whole deal about, Following this pomp and circumstance that Adama is putting on. She's basically saying, Well, I can tell this man needs this to feel more comfortable, so I'll do it. But it's, boy, it's annoying, you know?
And uh, she, she does make a comment about only having three outfits left to her name and I was like, oh man, I feel that, like, that's that's hard and she's got to do the presidential song and dance all the time, like, she, she doesn't want to do this with Adama, like, she wants to just get work done, but there's a fleet out there that needs her to do presidential song and dance, right? Like, The people are going to need it at points. And she has three pants suits to do it
right? I wonder if like, obviously this is like, I don't think that this was entirely the reason for this, but do you think in an era of TV where particularly female characters weren't allowed to wear the same outfit multiple shows,
Oh yeah.
that
They're making an excuse to
excuse to save some budget money here and just keep her recycling the same three? Yeah.
to be a fashionista, you guys. She's one of the last humans alive. Like seriously. Yeah. Maybe, maybe part of it is like telling the audience like chill and give this woman a break. Very interesting.
Sharon tells the chief about the missing detonators, and he's gonna go to the Master at Arms about it. She's not comfortable with this, but she does trust Tyrell.
I get it that she's like a Cylon and she's programmed to like self preserve because it, it seems like she doesn't know. She really feels like she doesn't know she's a Cylon, but there's a thing in her that's going self preserve, self preserve, self preserve. And
especially at the end of this episode, where like, it seems like she has to notice the bomb a couple of times to be able to see it.
uh, Yeah. it seems like some, some things are not connecting all the way. And you know, you're, you're, you just. Want her to shut up and be like, yeah, no, there's protocol. We have to follow protocol. Master of arms has to know, but she's like begging to Terrell not to tell. And it's like, stop, stop. This is bad internal controls for one thing.
Yeah. At the uh, the docking ceremony or whatever, Lee and Rosalyn talk, and we learned that Adama hates this stuff too. He just wants Laura to be, feel like the president, like the president deserves this, so the president gets it
Uh Huh.
and he's just doing it to make her feel more comfortable.
yeah. Apollo's like, Hey, I, I just want you to know, like, dad is trying to show you that you're really the president, that he's not a threat, like,
you. He's going to do the thing. You're in charge. Yeah. You figure it out.
Yeah, yeah, like he, he's putting on the dog and pony show just to make this all real and official because here's one thing that I suspect this will come up or, you know, if it doesn't, it would, could naturally come up is that like rifts happen and people disagree with the decisions Rosalind makes and who are they going to go to next? They're going to go to Adama and try to convince him.
That he should be running things and he should be running them his way and their way and things would be better and you could, you could get like a fracturing of this remaining humanity and so he's like trying to put on the pomp and circumstance to show that like, no, we are a united front.
Yeah.
So that's appreciated at least like the effort is
It's important. Yeah. So after Lee and Rosalind were talking for a few minutes about third pop and circumstance and who it's actually for and why they're actually bothering, the bombs that were planted that we saw ominously before the theme do go off, venting all of the water into space.
Yeah.
Bad day.
This, this is one that you could have like, cut this differently and ended the cold open with this, but I think it's much more suspenseful to
let us, let us languish in the suspense for a couple minutes, you know. And this is a show that's not afraid to do that. That's something that we will see a number of times. They will, I mean, the show states its intentions early on, by giving you those quick little hits of what's going to happen, those flashes of what to expect. And uh, it just lets you languish knowing that that's what's coming. Because there's some stuff you'll see in those, where you'll be all like, Wait, was that?
And, you know, it's It's, it gets crazy. The show gets crazy.
Yeah. I can feel it. Like, so far every ending of a, an episode has been like, where's the next one? Like, Very cliffhanger.
Yeah, I mean, we've destroyed a civilian carrier that may or may not have been being tracked by the Cylons and may or may not have been loaded with nukes, and we vented all of the water into space. We're two episodes in, and two things that in any would easily be the catastrophe of the season, if not the entire show have happened.
Yeah.
And this isn't even close to how crazy this shit gets. This is nothing.
Oh, no. No, that ship was definitely at least being tracked by the Cylons. I stand on that hill, and I'll die there.
I, honestly don't think it was. I think they wanted to see if the humans would do it. And it didn't matter which ship it was. It could have been any ship.
don't know. I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Anyways!
okay. Anyway. We go to the war room. The staff
our senior staff meeting.
Yeah, Tyrell and his team are looking, I think they're actually going in the tanks, right? They've got their EVA suits on and,
Yeah, they're going in. They're gonna check out the damage. I mean, you gotta go in to repair those things, I imagine. But also, an investigation's gonna be a lot easier to do from both sides. They've got a raptor out there taking a peek, too.
yep. So they're ordering rationing because we have a 60 percent loss of water, is
It's something like that, yeah.
It is a big percent,
They went from having to not worry about water for years to water is a problem before the end of this week.
immediately, yeah. Yeah. President Rosalynn pushes GATA. She wants a guess at the cause. She, I think everybody in this room knows, right? We know this is sabotage. But Gaeta tries to bullshit a cause that isn't sabotage to keep everyone calm for a minute because we don't have the evidence yet.
Gaeta's like got a full on, he's at a podium, there's PowerPoint presentations. This job must suck.
Oh, Gaeta's got the worst job on the ship,
Yeah, and it's like, can we just call out a minute? The fact that these are paper stands. This is poster board they're using. Right? This is not a digital screen. This is not a display screen where someone types some stuff up and put it on there. There's a Kinkos on board. The Galactica.
the, the Kinkos is the worst job on the Galactic. Gaeta is the second.
Gaeta having to go to the Kinkos constantly has the second worst job.
yeah, yeah. And then third is Commander Adama's maid,
Oh.
has to clean up his quarters. Yeah,
sure. Just a Space Kinkos.
Kinkos. So Tyrell's team does find evidence of explosives. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm
it is bad news. Callie's looking around, she finds some. And the chief kind of quickly covers for Sharon, I feel like, here. He's just like, well, you know, stuff happens. Like, not pointing any fingers, despite like, He has to know, right? There has to be a part of him inside that goes, Okay, so I talked to the Master at Arms. There's six explosives missing. There were five to six explosions in here. Or, or does he only find evidence of five and says six so that it matches? Right? Like,
question because she still has a bomb at the end, at the end of this and I'm thinking that that is not like a new, she didn't go back and get a new bomb, you know?
No, it's the one from the uh, the ship.
Yeah.
So, it's uh, how how much do we implicate tyral here, you know? How much of this
He's definitely stupid. I mean, is, is it stupid or is it Cylon? This is a new, new question for me. Like, my, my old forensic accounting professor used to say that the first question you have to ask. in any forensic accounting investigation is, is it fraud or is it stupid? And so, Tyrell, the question is, is it Cylon or is it stupid? Like, is he just so enamored with this woman that he can't possibly face the possibility of her being a Cylon or is he also somehow in this? Like, hmm,
it's hard to say exactly where that line is, and that's very much on purpose.
I wonder how much we're going to be asking ourselves, is it stupid or is it Cylon?
Well, I know. So, I will be staring blankly as you ask.
It's gonna be a lot
Yeah, for sure. It's a ton. Yeah. I would say it's the crux of the show for at least these, especially these first two seasons. As like, more of these silent identities are revealed over the course of the show, it, less of that becomes an option. But just statistically speaking,
Yeah.
but it's definitely something that will be brought up often enough where we should get a drop. Is it stupid or is it Cylon?
Yeah. We'll uh, we'll have to put something together. We'll figure it out.
Tie is going over the likely sources of water here. Lee is sending scout ships out to check areas. The chances of finding water are not good. And while we're talking about problems, food, also a problem.
Mm.
Baltar reads off the, the food estimates. And Lee's all like, oh, is that for like a month? And he's all like, bro, that's a week.
Yeah. Oh, no. Like, and you have to wonder, some of these smaller ships, how much food were they actually carrying? Mm. Like as this all went down. I know it's only been three days at this point and people probably have had low appetites because they're like Processing a lot. But yeah in a short amount of time. This is going to be a big deal
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Back on Caprica, the Sharon takes Helo to the Raptor, but it's surrounded by Centurions. Is this where they first call him a toaster, by the way?
It's the first time I think I've heard it called a toaster. Yeah,
Yeah.
it's pretty funny
I mean, it's pretty funny. It's also racist. I haven't decided if I care or not. They do kind of look like toasters.
Yeah, with the like dome y head thing going on. Yeah, I'm sure that's a joke reference to that, like the domed head.
Mm hmm. It is definitely used as a slur The longer the show goes on. Tyrell presents at the worst power point party ever. That five, maybe six blasts occurred and with what is known to be missing, possibly one device is unaccounted for.
Possibly, lots of like obfuscating and like hedging. in this discussion, and I don't like it.
Mm hmm. They dismiss most of the people as a domozolic, so there's obviously a Cylon on board.
Yeah, Adama's ready to say it, what we're all thinking.
hmm. They ask Baltar about his screening status, to which he daydreams with 6PT, and gets Gaeta assigned to him for his troubles.
Yeah, so, she asks him specifically, like, when he started lying to women, and that was when I went, oh. So, he didn't have a process. He just made some bullshit up and threw that guy out of the way. off of the Galactica.
Yep, 100%.
Just wild. Wild. And, and the fact that he was bright. I'm just, I guess maybe, you know, he's had some good intuition about the whole thing? What
If the question is, is Gaius Baltar actually a genius, the answer is definitively yes. he is a bullshitter, he is self interested he is a terrible piece of shit, but he is also probably the smartest human alive. And he was probably
Yeah.
alive before the show started, and everything went down, and he more than likely, definitively is without getting into anything else he's definitely a very, very smart dude. So, is it that he just intuited, as you suggest, and knew? I don't know. Is it this person was a problem, and this was his way of solving a problem, and he was lucky? Is this the machinations of the Cylon monotheistic god?
Is this a Cylon chip in his brain giving him visions of six, pointing him and telling him things subconsciously? These are all possible answers to this question, and we can't say for certain right now.
Right. It kind of
ever, I think. I don't know if we ever actually get an answer on that one.
yeah, it kind of seems like the presence of Six, whether Six is an actual chip or an actual imprint of Six, or just something his mind has made up in a panic to process some things had something to do with it. Whether or not it's natural of origin, and completely, you know, benevolent and helpful? Don't know.
Yeah.
Hmm. But yeah, he's supposed to find a real Cylon detection method, which, yeah, it's, I don't think we're going to get that. That doesn't seem like something we could actually develop in the show. Because then you should just roll it out to every single ship and you find all your Cylons and a big source of conflict is just all gone, right?
I won't say anything here.
I don't think we can get it or if we get it, it's not actually going to work or it's not actually 100 percent or something. There's going to be a problem. But we can't get a foolproof Cylon detection method.
I mean, for the sake of the plot, it would seem like something that would kind of put a damper on the tension.
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. If we, if we ever get it, it seems like we won't get it early. You can't destroy your show that, that way.
The premise of your show. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So Boomer is pleading with Tyrell to believe her and I just want to shake them both. And for some reason Adama and Roslyn are in his quarters, I guess, having a meeting, talking, talking books. Adama goes to wash his hands and then Refrains. nice to know that it's not Rules for Thee and Not for Me with Adama.
Yeah he gives her a book. He knows the rules. You don't lend books, you give them.
It's smart. Adama has met me.
I'm, I mean, I'm the same way. I, I will, if I really enjoy a book, if that I want to lend to someone, I will make a point of going out and buying an extra copy.
Mm
Um, I've done that a number of times. The only, the only instance where lending books is an actual lend is like RPG tomes. Like you're building a character. You need. different thing from the player's handbook or something, you need one of the aux books. Those don't count.
That makes sense.
Everything else though, you gift books.
Yeah. I have a lot of books that were lent to me that never should have been trusted to me.
I've had to buy copies of books like that before because I lent them to people and I should have just known, but I do now. Uh,
Not an intentional, like, malfeasance. It just hapthings just happen.
I think it's part of the nature of how you consume the medium, right? Because if, if you are a reader, if you're someone who's going to want to read a book and cause you're borrowing it with the intention of reading it right, you probably also already reading something else, which means you're, you're borrowing it. Knowing that you're not going to read it immediately, and the person who's lending it to you, presumably also a reader, understands the cycle.
So it's a, you will get to this when you get to it, and you will read it then. Not a, I'm expecting you to pick up this book the day after I hand it to you.
Right. Unless you have the organized structure of a library. Like, it's different. Yeah.
for sure. Starbuck runs a poker table. Gaius puts up some clothes on the table instead of cash.
Ugh, I hate Gaia's Poltar so much.
Yeah.
Yeah, he ditches Gaida, too. He's like, Oh, I know we're supposed to be working, but I'm gonna do this poker game now. Bye.
hmm. Mm hmm. We go back to Adama and Rosalyn. Adama refuses to turn the military into the police here. Um, Aaron, actually, could you play that again for the people in back?
Yeah, Rosalind has a problem in that there's been water riots on a cruise ship and there's no immediate police force to assist with that.
Yeah.
And Adama is very nervous about that. Having his military get involved with that. Rightly so, but I don't see how Rosalyn really has a choice right now either. She can't just put together a police force out of nothing. Like,
yeah.
that untrained civilians being gung ho about all of a sudden taking a police force role is also dangerous in a different way. Like, there, you can't do a police force without a plan. Period.
Yeah.
Need, need a plan and people who are trained in it
Mm hmm.
don't know how many we have in the forty something thousand that are left.
Not a ton, which is why he acquiesces a little to help try and prevent riots. But, that will be another problem another day. Boomer and Crashdown are searching for water. And the audience is made aware of the presence of the last bomb. It's on the Raptor.
Hey, guess what? I didn't realize at this point that that bomb was actually with her. I don't know why. It, maybe it was in the cutting and maybe I wasn't looking close enough.
I thought she was just having intrusive thoughts about the bombs that she planted earlier and that she just like couldn't, she was having some kind of like break between her like, conscious memory and the unconscious memory and something was coming to the surface and she was like having existential crisis over remembering these bombs and like seeing these bombs. And it was not until like the very end that I realized it was an actual bomb on board with her.
And she's like actually touching it, isn't she? I just thought it was intrusive thoughts. And this is the point when I realized that Boomer at the beginning was Boomer. I had thought up until this point that it was Sharon on Caprica. That's how confusing this show is gonna be for me apparently.
Oh, no.
I'll probably get better at it. Practice. Practice makes perfect.
Back at poker Gaius runs the table over Starbuck leaving her out of sorts. These are different, weird space cards than the uh, the pilot, the miniseries, by the way.
Oh, we had to revamp the Space cards? That's
we've got two sets of space cards now, which is just a blast.
Yeah. These are a little more like almost circular, right?
Yeah, they're a different shape. The other ones had like weird little, like, besides just the corner cutouts, they had like other little like side things that I can't imagine serve any practical purpose.
Yeah. These were more like hexagonal or something. I'm, I'm, said circular, but that's not what I meant. They were just rounder, like, than our playing cards are very rectangular.
Mm hmm. No water is to be found, as they're reporting in CIC. Only Boomer and Crashdown are left. And Boomer, we see on her screen that she is finding water, but she is unable to communicate that she has found water to Crashdown.
Yeah. She actually says, I'm having a hard time saying it at one point. Yeah. Like, she's trying to make the mou the words with her mouth and nothing is happening.
lends credence to how unaware she is.
Mm hmm.
For sure. she has a really hard time, yeah.
and she's also like fingering the bomb at this time, right? Like she's, it's like a safety system or something is going, Oh, oh, we just need to blow ourselves up because you were
Mm hmm.
Gonna say it.
You're gonna save the day, so you should just blow yourself up.
Yeah. And I'm really mad at Crashdown here because, like, just get up from your goddamn screen and look at her goddamn screen. Like, stop being such a lazy bitch.
You're not wrong.
She said she's having a hard time saying it, maybe you should look at it. Dipshit. So mad.
She eventually cuts through, says something aloud calls in the discovery of water here. At this point, she finally becomes aware of the bomb in a manner that allows her to turn it off.
Yeah. So interesting. That's, that's why I'm riding on the like, boomer doesn't know theory right now. I don't know enough about Sharon on Caprica, but it kind of seems like maybe Sharon doesn't either? I don't know. We'll see.
I, I would agree. That Boomer doesn't know. think that's made.
like that's a strong
Well, I don't, I don't think it's a theory. It's, it's pretty apparent the way that this episode is written and structured that Boomer doesn't know.
Yeah. To
I would just be apprehensive of applying that logic to all Sharon's.
Sharons. Yeah, and I think, it seems like it's designed, this episode is designed right now to, because it's led us pretty hard to the boomer doesn't know, that it's making you, it's like, oh, should you apply this logic to Sharon, hmm, maybe, I don't know, like, it's not trying to give us too many answers on that yet. And speaking of Sharon, we have Helo and Sharon back on Caprica eating in the rain. Lots of rain. I guess this is a nuclear fallout effect, perhaps. Right?
That's a
we're supposed to think it is. I don't, I don't know about real nuclear fallout. But yeah. He asks her why she came back. And she says she just couldn't leave him behind. And then Helo's walkie talkie lights up and they're getting like military signals. So somewhere on Caprica we still have some other military personnel. what we're supposed to
There's something else going on. Yeah, something is on the planet still Did they tell us what happened with all those other civilians he stayed with
No. No. Nope. I mean, we just pretty much come back on, we get a little bit of him in 33, right? He's just running. It seems like maybe he's just, maybe he was trying to create a diversion because he had actual like weapons and stuff. Like you wouldn't want to keep, if you were like, if you could actually threaten the enemy, like maybe you wouldn't want to be around the helpless people. So. Lead them astray.
I just thought about that
Yeah. I hope that's it.
Boomer sends the Chief to check her seat and he finds the bomb there.
And that's where I realized it was a real bomb.
yeah. Lee and Rosalyn uh, just kind of talk over last episode. Uh, She offers Lee a role within the government side of things, as her advisor on the military. Not her advisor to the military, but her advisor on, like, military procedure and shit.
Yeah. Like, you understood what your dad was doing with all this pomp and circumstance when I was just being kind of annoyed. So maybe I need someone like you to tell me like, Hey, here's the things that might be important to us in this situation.
hmm. Why would you do This This is why.
she tells him a little story about the old president. And he had to send the military in, or police action in to some terrorist thing or something.
Mm hmm.
and I think maybe, it was a small number I think that, She named as they, they were killed. There was like eight of them or something.
Yeah.
And he had to carry around their names to remind himself, of the stakes and the consequences and like, you will probably never know a hundred percent sure if you were right when you take an action
hmm.
and it's important to keep thinking about that and not to just toss it aside.
100%. You have to keep these things in mind. You know, you have to learn from your mistakes. This is the accountability that Lee was looking for from his father that he did not see.
Yeah. So, Rosalind is, is still thinking about that, and not that Adama is wrong either, but there's something more satisfying about Rosalind's answer.
For sure. Well, it should be. It's good that it's more satisfying.
Yeah, yeah. I, everybody's doing their best at this point, at least in the series, I think, but Rosalind is still connected to some more traditional ethics, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. for sure. Uh, Tiro tells Boomer he returned the bomb. And she does this like weird robot walk thing to end credits. I don't know how else to describe this.
She goes full robot.
hmm.
Uh, It does support the like split personality of Boomer.
hmm.
She is not 100 percent connected to herself. So what a cliffhanger too. Like every moment, there's a resolution in this episode, but then there's also like, Oh no, what about next time?
Mm hmm.
It's very exciting.
Yeah. You know what else is very exciting?
A scale where we rate things.
Yes. Uh, How do you feel about this on a scale of one to 12 colonies?
I think I've given everything 12 and above so far, right?
you have.
And I'm still excited about it. I'm still like, it was very compelling. I was worried about the water issue. maybe I'll bump this one down to, maybe a 10.
Okay.
Because of the confusion that I experienced. On the one hand, the confusion is confusing, but on the other hand, I think it is a good sign of a well written episode, in that I had to think about it a little harder. It didn't lead me to everything,
Yeah, it's not just giving you the answers.
Mm hmm.
no, that's solid. I was going to give it an eight. I like this episode. It's above average, but nothing particularly special in the grand scheme of the show.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. Well, we got another one next week. An infamous episode.
I was gonna say, I feel like I've heard about Battlestar Galactica Bastille Day.
It's I've seen it on, like, the list of the top ten episodes of the show.
Huh.
Um, it also introduces one of the show's more interesting characters, who is played by someone from the original Battlestar It's the first actor they bring back, but the role is very different Um, playing a character you'll meet next week named Tom Zarek. So we get a Season one, episode three, best yield day.
We're going to be joined from Scott uh, from gray 17 and the new deep space nine podcast, especially the lies, which I'm going to make an extra point of calling out because I believe it either drops the same day as this episode or the day after this episode. I, I'm not sure if it's the first or the second uh, when that drops, but A handful of the Grey 17 crew, um, and actually we gotta pick episodes to be on for that,
Yay! I'm
Yeah so I got, we got to, we'll talk about that with Scott when we record the next episode. But uh, while I remember go check out, especially the lies. If you're interested in a deep space nine podcast. Um, I believe it's in the same format as gray 17. If you listen to that show which if you haven't go listen to that, if you want some Babylon five coverage uh, gray 17 is a, is an excellent podcast.
They have a bunch of people who have seen the show, a bunch of people who have never seen the show. And then. They talk about the show with everyone. Then they kick all of the newbies out and talk about its implications as part of the broader story arc. Um, it's fun podcast, great. Listen, go give it a shot if you haven't. And especially the lies is going to be following that same format. So go ahead and give them a listen when they drop either today or tomorrow.
Or if you're not listening to this on release day, whenever you're listening to this, if you're looking for a deep space nine podcast, I couldn't recommend the folks over there more. It's
Yes. Excellent, good people over at Gray17 and especially The Wise. And it their format boggles my mind a little bit because I have such a hard time picturing people who haven't seen Deep Space Nine! But, yeah. show.
I don't like have any insider information on that one. I haven't talked to Scott about it at all. Um, but I'm, I'm looking forward to it dropping because they're covering something that I'm not podcasting about or not about to podcast about, so I can. Actually fucking listen to the podcast.
Would love to, yeah.
Leodama tries to persuade the Astral Queen, a prison ship to help pump water onto Galactica. Once on board, however, the prisoners have different plans.
Oh, no. Scary.
about prison labor.
Whew. All right. Heavy topic. Let's
Yeah. But we'll be back with that next week. Until then, we of course have to say a couple of thank yous. Hey Jeremy Jeremy Siegel, the Jeremy Siegel, the only Jeremy Siegel we care about on Bandcamp Thanks so much for our theme music, appreciate the hell out of it. You can find more of Jeremy's work at the aforementioned Bandcamp or on streaming services as NuclearJaguar. And then, I think he just started recording with one of the bands he's in, too.
I think I saw some Facebook posts about that. So, I believe that was The Savants is that band. He's in a few right now. So, I don't know if they've got anything else. Published, but go give them a try to
Yeah. And thank you to Angry Duck Time Machine on Instagram for our podcast artwork.
major work for this one. Aaron, appreciate it. Thank you for editing the podcast and making me sound like a competent human being.
Hey, and thanks listener for being here with us. We got some cool feedback today in the discord about how hard the discord is to find. So we're going to make it easier, hopefully by the next time you hear this.
I've already updated the website where if you listen to it on captivate, it now has the link at the very top.
Yes. So better in the website and then maybe in your episode descriptions. We're trying to figure that out because it's a little different to get a link on there.
We hope you join us on the discord. And if you can't find it, just shoot us an email Who are you b5 at gmail. com? It's also in our episode description and all of our other social media and We'll see you next week internet.
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