Ep 156 / Chasing Turkeys: A Wild Ride with Jagger Muniz and John Weik

Welcome to the Whitetail Advantage podcast with your host Brett Bovin. Thank you for tuning in and enjoy the show. So as of right now we've been doing a no intro and just kicking off. But I want to just at least say this real quick. If we have 10 ring news, it's just going to be me on here and then I'm going to say the Tang Ring news and then we'll bring everybody in. So welcome to the show. The Tang Ring news we have coming up right now is next Sunday.

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To Element with the service all police officer out there as well and put your corner slot machine. Now gather around. Let's have an awesome story time around Electron campfire. There's Johnny, there's Squatch and there's our guests. One of them Jaeger and that one John. Hey, rock and roll, man. I don't know if we're gonna be able to tolerate each other with this many movie stars in the house. We got a lot of them. I got a lot of them. Did you guys have a good weekend?

Do you guys have a good weekend? Had a good weekend. Did a bingo night for the National Wild Turkey Federation on Friday night and that was a. It was a pretty good one for being our first one up in Libby, Montana. So I was happy with that. It was a lot of fun. Got to hang out with a lot of great guys. So nice. It was a good weekend. John, what about you? I'm stuck in the middle of projects to say hunting season ended temporarily and the wife said time to remodel a bathroom.

That's my weekend entails at the moment until salmon kids running. Yeah, nice. Let's do that. Is Ms. Bovin on tonight? Who the is that? Michael. My. Oh Michael. Shut the up. Yeah, go to bed. Bedtime. He's asking what is the screen layout? It's a new choice. Stop asking with all these stupid nonsense questions. God. At least we can see each other. Might not be able to tolerate each other but we can see each other. Yeah, that's all he does is ask all these million questions.

Anyways, what happened to the shit is me? What'd you do? Where's everybody? I see me and John, but that's it. There you go. Due to technical difficulties, we're still figuring out the new page. Yeah, we're still trying to work out. Episode 100 and, what, 3,000. Episode 156. But actually, it's like a second episode where we tried doing this whole new thing. It's like Mr. Science 3000 theater that used to be on just kind of. Sounds a little funky, but I'm getting it. Yeah. Let's do this.

John, let's start off with you. Let's give. Give it. Fucking words are hard. Give yourself a little bit of a background yourself. Everything's worth. We're all fucked up and gathered around today. I don't know, man. Get with it. It's not real time. Losing you guys a little bit. Okay. A lot of delay. All right, let's start with Jaeger. Jaeger, give yourself a little bit of a background. So my name is Jaeger. I was born with spina bifida. But I love turkey hunting.

It's a passion of mine, and I look forward to it every spring. Well, I know Johnny down there in squash, their big fucking turkey killers right there on our side. I have yet to go turkey hunting. I bought the tag to do it this year, but I never was able to get out there in time. I mean, if I can be in the woods, I'm happy. But turkey hunting has a special place in my heart, let me tell you. Me too. I love turkey hunting. Can't get enough of it.

And when I get it, and when I get to spend three or four days in the woods with John, it's a true honor. The turkey whisper himself. That is awesome, man. That's good. You guys got that bond, man. I see that in your videos and when you talk on. On your speeches that I've watched these guys, you know, do together. It's a great bond. I got a good bond with my buddy too Frank. And we've. We've hunted Montana, Idaho, and Washington together in the last two years.

And there's many more years to come and many more birds to kill. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Nice. And I have a feeling with him, Colin, birds are in trouble. You're being way too generous, Jagger. Anybody that truly knows you, John, knows. You'Re the turkey whisper. That's better than being known for some other things. John, you give yourself a little bit of a background. My background? Yeah. How far how far back you want to go? Jail? I mean, prison? We could go to military. Nah, just kidding.

Retired to military 20 years ago out here. I grew up hunting since the age of 10 back in hardwoods of Connecticut. In the countryside of it. I couldn't go there now. It's a little too leaning the wrong direction, but other than that, it's been a lot of fun. Dad brought me up.

He was World War II veteran, 10th Mountain Division, so I got a lot of woodsmanship from him and, you know, came out here and been hunting turkeys, Do a lot of elk hunting, a lot of whitetail hunting, and whatever we can get in between with bears and whatever else. So it's always a fun thing. Raise my kids on it. And. Yeah, I'd specialize in turkey on video, people say. Is that all you hunt? No, that's all I want to show you. Well, thank you for your service. What branch did you say you were in?

21 years in the Air Force. My. My grandpa was a mechanic in the Air Force. Your dad was out of 10th Mountain, you said, John? Yeah, 10th Mountain. World War II. Yep. I retired. Did you really? I did, yep. Outstanding. Thank you for your service. Your dad was out of Colorado, then McHale, right? Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, a lot of years up there and quite a few years overseas with, you know, a lot of fun stuff. I got tons of memorabilia hanging around in the office. Oh, that's awesome.

You don't meet a lot of people from the 10th Mountain, that's for sure. No, especially that era. I mean, you know, greatest generation our country's ever had. Oh, that's mini steep ski patrol right there. And that's. Yeah, those guys are crazy. Huge history buck when it comes to the 10th Mountain, especially during that era. So. Yeah, that's pretty awesome that you were a part of that, too. That's cool. Yep. Yeah, I retired out of the first tie in 187, so. Wow. It was a fun time. Heck, yeah.

But we're not here for that. We're here. Talk about birds, right? Yeah. Rock and roll with the birds. Always. So who had. Who had a rough season this year? My season was amazing this year. Yeah, I did good. How'd you guys do? We did good. You know, we started early with a youth BE PHA Armed Forces Initiative Youth Camp. And it was down in, say, central Idaho area, give or take, without giving everything away. And it was epic. I think we put down 13 birds in one day, which was psychotic.

And they were all, like, brand new turkey hunters. Brand new hunters. Even for that matter, first four hours of the morning were just too good. They got spoiled. Man, that is awesome. Yeah, I know. It was great though, to see all these kids having so much fun and really getting a passion for it. So we'll see him back. That'll be a lot of fun. So I want to reach out to you two guys for a second and ask you a quick question. I, I, I need to know what really drove you to get into turkey hunting.

I mean, was it something that somebody just had introduced you to? Was it something that, you know, you just saw them walking around and you were like, hey, you know, I gotta try getting these guys now. I mean, Jagger especially, because I mean, what he has to endure to go through the turkeys if you guys haven't watched his videos. I mean, I, I don't know what would want to make you, you know, bust your tail the way that you do. Getting out after those birds and you don't give up.

You are really something else, Jagger. And you know, now you got that new little electric four wheeler that you got there to get around in the woods. Even better. I mean, Gez, there, I don't think there's going to be a turkey left in Montana or anywhere with you. But, but give me, give me a little insight. What, what made you start turkey hunting? What was that key thing or that key person that got you into it? Let's hear it.

So back when I was 12 years old, it was the very first kids in Montana. It's changed now. Now you can do it at 10, but when I started hunting, you had to take under safety, and then you had to wait till you could hunt at 12. And the school I went to, because I went to a private Christian school back then, one of the dads there, he was a, he's a pretty serious turkey hunter. You know, with work and everything, he ain't able to do a lot anymore, but he does it and he's fairly good at it.

And one day he, after school, he walked up to the truck where me and mom, cause she was picking me up. And he said, can I take your son turkey hunting tomorrow? It was a Friday afternoon. He says, can I take your son turkey hunting tomorrow for opener? She goes, yeah, he'd enjoy that. And you know, being 12 years old, first year Hunt, I just wanted to kill something. Yeah. And so I went home that night, you know, he says, just put camo on.

He goes, I got the gun, I got all everything, Just put cam on and I'll pick you up. So I Went home that night and got all my camo out and everything. And that next morning we went out and went to a spot and got out and yelped and we heard birds gobbling. They would to get to them, they were on the power line, they were down below, but we had to walk up the power line and then we set up on top and sat down and actually he had a four sided ground blind.

So we hiked that up there and got that set up and set in it and he started yelping and they're gobbling down below and he starts calling to these birds. And in about 30, 35 minutes, here comes three redheads up the power line in a full strut. And it's opening morning 8:30. First year turkey hunt. I honestly, you know, I'd seen turkeys in town, but I've never called to him. I've heard them gobble, maybe in town, but I didn't really know what a gobble meant.

And I tell you what, to go out on opening morning at 12 years old and hear three full strutters hammering, I'm like, okay, this is going to happen. Watched him come up the power line and he goes, the one in the middle is the biggest. Shoot it. So I let the first one walk by, shot the one in the middle and he started flopping around. And so we got out, walked up there and it was an 8 inch double bearded tom. Wow, great.

And I tell you what, after killing, I mean just hearing them gobble, seeing them all fanned out their bright red and blue heads, and then killing a double bearded tom, that's where it all starts. Because you know, I just love being out there and I just want to kill a bird. But at the end of the day, that thought in the back of my mind is there's some true giants out there and it would be a dream of mine to kill another double beard or bigger.

So that's why I stick after it in hopes of harvesting another giant. Beautiful, beautiful life. That's, that's great. So John forever John, the same question goes for you, buddy. I know, I know you've been at it a long time and just like me. And let's hear your side. What, what made you just have that drive to get out on that turkey? You know, I've always, I've always had a passion for hunting.

But growing up as a kid back in that era, they didn't really, didn't have turkeys even to hunt back then. So you know, military came around and I'd say give or take 30 years ago, and when I was still in the military, I met up with a good old boy from Kentucky and he's like, man, you've never been turkey hunting. We got to get you out in the woods and let you give this a try, because if you like hunting, we're going to ruin your life with this.

So I followed a good old guy from, you know, back in the woods there, and he took me out and sure enough that morning, I mean, I didn't even really, honestly, you know, I've been a deer hunter and elk hunter at the time. Love archery. And just getting out there and hearing a Turkey Goblin, 3 o' clock and 4 o' clock in the morning in the tree, I was already hooked before anything even got any further. But that first morning, learning from him and seeing how the.

Basically how the show went down and. And within two hours, shot my first turkey. And that was the end of my life right there. So from that point on, it was a passion and a never ending learning of just grinding it out like we all have from the beginning on. That's awesome. Yeah. So blame it on Kentucky boys. Hey, that's all right, man. It got you doing something that you love to do. That's the best. Absolutely. Yeah. As far as, you know, we have a little YouTube channel.

While all that started was once I got the passion for Turkey, I had two young daughters just hitting the age of 10. And for me, that was always the age to learn to get out and hunt. So when I figured out turkey, I'm like, this is the best sport to start a youth on by far because it's so engaging, as you guys all know. You know, get kids out there and they're, they're active, they're proactive, they're not just sitting.

And it's a great introductory for youth or anyone to get into hunting for the first time. Yeah, that's why we've been pitching Brett so hard about it, because we were trying to get him out this year. He bought a license, so I'll give him that. He got there. Yeah. I just never got the time to get out there and do it. I think you'll be hooked though, Brett, once you, you really. Yeah. Have that excitement like from that turkey just coming in.

Like, you know, both of these guys said, I mean, deer hunting's awesome. Don't get me wrong. I mean, nothing, you know, bow hunting and just having that blast out there getting a nice buck, but it's just so much more laid back because, you know, you get a buddy and you're sitting in the same spot with them and you, you get to chat and laugh and have fun and attack these birds all at the same time. And I mean it's modern warfare on turkeys, but it's, it's like a carnival.

It's. You're having a blast. But you know who you're with. We're deer season. You're more kind of just like a loner. And you know, you may get back to camp and have a good time with your buddies, but most of the time you're on your own. You're just solo trying to, trying to smoke a big old buck, you know, and it's, it's different. I, I just. Turkey season is just freaking awesome, man. I hope you get to experience it soon. It's really. Definitely.

And it's different every part of the United States too. You guys chasing easterns, you're on more of a low key game. Whereas us out here, we're in the mountains. I mean, to us it's a miniature elk hunt. And I wouldn't say miniature because our average hunt's 12 to 15 miles. And we get up in mountains real high, thousands of feet, and we are cruising all day long, calling and talking. Yeah, and it's like elk season on steroids because they're always talking, you know. And they're always moving.

Always moving. Yeah, there's an hour of the day you can't call a bird in out here. No. Now you guys, you can, you can hunt from sun up to sundown, or do you have to stop at noon where you guys are every day of the week? Sun up to sundown? Yeah, we have 46 days straight. Yeah, we have to stop at noon where I am up here in New York, they don't want you hunting afternoon, so. Yeah, they used to be that when I was a kid in Connecticut too.

Yeah, I guess they do it to let the hens get back to the nest and kind of like stay put for a little bit, you know, to take care of the eggs. I, I guess that's what they say. That's the reason. But you know, we could go out and roost them. You know, you can roost a bird, you just can't bring a weapon with you. So you can, you know, you can find out where you're sleeping. Right. Squatch up on them like pretty quick in the, in the early daylight, you know, and get them on a fly down or whatever.

But you know, it's, it's just fun finding them and walking. I mean, we run a Gun up here too. We hunt mountains, we hunt farmland. You know, we run a gun all over the place. So I know what it's like. Just not on that big of a perspective as you guys do. You're going a lot further on the miles, but still we put the time and it's. It ain't easy, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's. It's harder. Way harder. Yeah. You guys know, man, you know, it's something I'm looking.

I hear you guys talk about turkey hunting and how much of a blast it is. And don't wrong. I've always had kind of like, friends that were kind of into it, but they weren't like, dead set on it. Like, it was just something fun they like to do here and there. And they just. Whenever they got into it and stuff. And. And I kind of like, watched a. Watch turkey hunting at afar. That kind of makes sense. And. But inside my own family, My dad, biggest big whitetail hunter.

My grandpa on both sides, they were huge fishermen. So I was fishing a lot and doing that growing up. And never had, like, anyone in turkey that went how to go out there and do it and quote, unquote, teach me a rope type deal. And I don't know, like. Yeah, I always kind of wanted to do it as. As I got older. And it always looked like a lot of fun. I'm like, oh, just see them come in and blow their heads off and like a lot. And to be able to do that with your buddy.

And then when I watched a Squatch's video, I don't know what it was, but it kind of hit me different because I was like, man, to see, like. Like you said perfectly. You're. You have a buddy and you're kind of. You can do it, like, together, like that type of setting. And it's amazing feeling to do it, like, help each other out and go off each other and stuff like that. Whereas whitetail hunting, you're out there doing it all by yourself in your own sense. Even if you. Let's.

Let's say you have a camera guy. The camera guy's just up there to record you. So you're really out there by yourself. Yeah. Until you get back at camp. So I think that's one thing that makes turkey hunting that much fun. And you also gotta look at this. Hunting whitetail deer. That's only from. I'm just gonna use Michigan, for example. October through December, Turkey hunting is basically like three to four months. If I'm wrong, John, correct me like three to four months.

Roughly in the spring, summertime. So it's that nice, fun little gap hunting thing if you wanted to get into, involved with to help you get ready for hunting season, if that makes sense. Oh, yeah, for sure. Definitely. The camaraderie aspect is, you know, the biggest, best part. You can get out there with a group of people. Like I said, we did a youth camp and, you know, we had 20 people out there in the woods, all in different directions, but a lot of them in large groups, four or five.

And you can't do that with most other hunts. For sure. Yeah. One thing I do want, one thing I do want to add is, you know, in 2016, I killed that double beard, But I didn't truly understand. How. It worked and how to truly do it until I started watching John's videos and then having the honor of hunting with him in 2023. That's great. Being able to hunt with you and watch you firsthand. I learned a lot. I've had a blast, and I can't wait to see what the future holds.

Oh, yeah, we have a good time getting out there, buddy. I'm so glad to have met you. And that's. That's one of the pros and cons of social media, right, everybody? Oh, my God. I'm telling you, it's amazing how people can come together. You know, we all frown upon the Internet a lot for stupid crap that goes on. On it, but there's a lot of good that came out of it too. And just like, Just like you guys met.

We all met through, you know, the Internet and basically, you know, just following each other. And then it turned into, you know, now a podcast with everybody on and. Yeah, stuff too. And it's. It's a. It's a really cool thing. And I could totally relate and totally appreciate how you guys get along. Cause Frank, my buddy, Broadside Ellen Bush Frank, he. He's a great hunter. Guy's awesome on white tails and stuff like that. He's killed some birds in the past, but he puts me on this level.

And I don't know why he does it. And I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but it's just. It's the same way like Jagger says to you, John, when you call. He says the same thing to me. He's like, squatch, when you call. He asked me to one day. He said, you know, I gotta ask you something. I said, go ahead, buddy. What's up? He goes, I noticed you blew into the diaphragm call like, just Blew air into it, holding it in your hand. He goes, why? Why'd you do that?

I said, oh, because saliva gets stuck in there, and it kind of. It kind of makes the damn diaphragm get sticky. I said, I'm just blowing it out. So each read is separated before I chuck it in and start calling a bird. He's like, man, I would have never thought to do that at all. He goes, this is why I love being with you, you know? He goes, I learned all this crap, and I. It. You know what I mean?

It makes you feel pretty damn good when somebody confides in you, just like Jagger confides in you to. Oh, yeah, learn. And, you know, and I'm sure, John, you learned stuff from Jagger, too. I mean, you're probably sitting there, you're saying, well, geez, I probably would have tripped and fell over that damn tree limb that was on there, but he just jumped right over and went like a jackrabbit. So we got to learn how he did all this stuff. Oh, yeah.

The day you think you know it all is the day you stop, man. There's always something to be learned from our friends and our compadres were out there in the woods. Absolutely, man. Arrogance is the number one killer of all of us. So let's do that. You got a distance, too. Like, you guys aren't close by each other. I mean, how far away do you travel to go hunt with Jagger?

Three hours up to where he lives, and then I try to find places in between, you know, that are accommodating, and got them into Idaho this year, and they had a blast there. We were saturated. Absolutely epic. Montana's tough. There's. There's definitely birds in Montana, but you can. You could spend days upon days in areas you would swear, there's gotta be a turkey here. There's got to be a turkey here. But no, there's no turkey. Even though it's perfect. Day is hundreds of miles and nothing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Montana is so big, you just don't realize it. When they're there, they're there. And when they're not, man, they surely. Are not, but Idaho was truly epic. Yeah. Yes. Three birds in what, two hours? Two and a half hours. We try to tell people we're in Maine, not Idaho. That's our preferred statement. It was awesome.

Jagger, I want to try to dive a little bit into your condition that you have, and you had the. The GoFundMe account going around for your. For your. What the was it called again? I'm drawing blank. Sorry. It's been a long day. Don't out me, Squatch. Geez. Let's just Utah trikes. We'll give them a little punch. Utah trikes did a lot of work. Absolutely. Yes, they did. Let's talk about your condition first, Jack. You cared about sharing a little bit about it and what. What exactly it is.

So I have spina bifida, and it's the spine. My spinal cord is defected with all the. And the nerve endings are damaged, and so I don't have any feeling from the knee down. So you have no feeling from the knee down? Nope. When have you had this? Since birth. Did it come at a later date? I was born like this. Yes, like this. Yeah. So who got you into hunting? Did I miss that? Who got you into turkey hunting in the outdoors and stuff like that? Or is this something that you. No. Turkey hunting.

Like I say, turkey hunting was one of the guys I went to school with his daughter, and he's also part of our church hunting as a whole. Deer hunting, elk hunting. My mom and dad and my great grandpa. I actually killed my very first two deer with my dad and great grandpa together. So that was pretty special. So big game hunting, my dad and grandpa, and then turkey hunting. My buddy Brian. What was it like growing up, trying to adjust it from. With this condition into hunting?

You know, I'll be honest with you. Living in Montana for 22 years, it. It was born into me. It's all I know. So I've just learned to adapt. I didn't even think about it. I just do, like, fuck it. I'm going out there anyways. I don't give a shit. I love it. I know it's not about turkeys, but a little side note, in 2022, I killed Mountain lion. That's awesome. Oh, how'd that go? It was a hunt. It was a hunt that I am very proud of. You want to share it?

Yeah. So one of my friends, actually, a couple of my friends, local houndsman, they asked. So the year before, there was a guy in town that had a tag, and I'd always watched, you know, their videos, watched the dog's work, you know, and stuff. And I've always found it fascinating. And so I'd talk to these guys, and I said, hey, if, you know, if it be possible, I'd like to, you know, just jump in the truck one day and tag along and see what this is about.

And they said, yeah, you know, we'd be glad to take you. So in 2021, I actually got to go out and the other one of the other local guys, he had a tag and he actually killed a lion. And so, you know, just getting to walk in there and see him under, you know, be under the tree and see this cat in the tree, and then, you know him shoot it, it was pretty awesome. And I told these guys, I says, I would love to do this. And they said, buy a tag and we'll take you next year.

So in 2022, we open, and they picked me up, we went out 5 o' clock in the morning, located a trap and let the dogs out. Dogs chewed the cat about 300 yards down the bank. But by the time I got down there, the female, it was a female. And she jumped tree. And so they had to let the dogs off and trade again. And it was quite a ways down there, but I just slid down there on my butt and got down there, killed my cat. Like I say, it was, it was a wet, cold day, a lot of work.

But I tell you what, watching a cat above you and watch him fall out of the tree, it was well worth it. Man, that would be so cool to do. That's like one of my dream hunts right there. Yeah, Yeah, A lot of fun. Keep in mind that, you know, we're out there sometimes in chest deep snow and we're whining and complaining, trying to get through it. And here's Jagger literally dragging himself through the woods. You know, I mean, think about that.

I mean, this ain't no small snow up there in Montana mountains. No. Nope. No. And if you guys get a chance, watch that video. It's freaking. When I got to know these guys and I was starting to really dig into what they do, I'm like, you. You got to be kidding me. You see Jagger and he's. He's on his head. I mean, he's literally on his hands and he's going. And if you've ever watched like, what is it? Rudolph the red nosed ranger had like, the snowmen, had a snowman go. They move around.

That's what Jagger is doing. He's like, he's going down the hill after this cat. I'm like, I said, my goodness. I said, the drive of this old boy is just insane. Yeah. Gotta watch his videos. Gotta watch the stuff. Stuff. Watch. Yeah, watch. Go out there in the woods and let your legs hang behind you and go do a couple miles, see what that's like. Oh, man, I couldn't imagine. I was in Oregon, just going on heights up those mountains and that Destroyed me. Yeah, man.

Yeah, he's pretty epic individual. I was real blessed to get to know him, I'll tell you. You know, just one of the many connections. And I see somebody saying hey, and I'll try to say hey back. And, you know, then I recognize. I'm like Jagger's. He's connecting a lot. Now that you guys know who I'm talking about, he connects a lot. Jagger, that's not a put down, that's a reality. We have a lot of fun saying, brother. We chat all the time.

But I'm really happy that I pushed forward and said, hey, let's get your story up there, brothers to see, because you're an inspiration to other people. You know, you're. Well, and then, you know, watch. Watching you for all these years leading up to this and then actually having the privilege of hunting with you was truly awesome. Wow. No, the privilege is all mine, man. All mine. So I want to break out a little bit. I want to ask you guys what, what coil do you guys prefer?

I mean, which I know I've seen you guys use Phelps. I know you use Phelps mostly diaphragm or use a box using slate. You're using all of them. I mean, I. I don't think I could hold another darn coal in my vest. I'm like a walk in Walmart, man. I mean, I've got stuff that's, you know, I've used for years. I've got stuff that I'm new, you know, new and trying out. But break, break down that to me a little bit. What's. What you really go to like, which, you know, I'm not.

I'm not leaving my house without this call. Well, for me, personally, I'm a diaphragm caller primarily, but I'll use everything to intentionally force myself into other boxes because I don't want to just get stuck using one thing, you know, you spend enough time in Turkey, would you realize, yeah, it may sound perfect to you and you may be doing it really, really well, but maybe they want to hear something different today.

So, you know, I won't be afraid to, you know, pull out my slate and I'll pull out a box and, you know, and just do it for different reasons. But I'm also a big follower of Shane Simpson, who put out a video a long time ago called Mouth Call Mechanics. And if you've never watched it, you really should because it gets into the. Some of the details that a lot of the call manufacturers won't talk about.

You know, a Lot of people are trying to sell products and a lot of people are trying to teach about their products. Right. I looked at one specific video because Shane talks about how air moves through your mouth and understanding, you know, you can go out there and start popping all different calls, trying to find which one is yours. But for me, learning from that a long time ago, I have an air channel that tends to go down the right side of my, my palate.

So I'm a right sided trunk cut collar because that's how air moves through my mouth. I mean, I can, you know, I've been at it enough years, I could pop anything in my mouth and, you know, get enough sound out of it to make a turkey come in. We all know it doesn't take a perfect call to call a bird in. But I mean, if you want to get your best sound or be able to do all kinds of pitchy different things, then you need to find how air is moving through your mouth.

And so for me, you know, diaphragm collar with a right sided chunk cut, basically. And I use Phelps especially, you know, that's our local guys out here, Jason Phelps, he's been putting out great products for a lot of years. So trying to create our, our own heritage out here in the Pacific Northwest. So that's kind of important to us because we all know back east, you know, there's a great heritage of turkey hunting out here, everybody. It's a great heritage of elk hunting.

Yeah. Where a lot of us, you know, we want to, we want to really build up this turkey aspect. And Pacific Calls is another great company. But I go with Phelps primarily knowing Jason and met with him and hunted with him. And he also has a medium sized diaphragm frame for me that also fits perfectly between my upper teeth. Whereas the standard wide cut frame, I have a narrow palate. Once again, have to manipulate that a little bit and try to get the air to shut off properly.

I can do it, but you know. Yeah, no, I know for years I've had to. Some of them, some companies make them so wide. Yeah. You got to trim them down a little bit with a pair of scissors. But yeah, you can, you can cut the tape down. But for me it's even that metal wider frame. It doesn't work really well. Yep, yep. I know where you're coming from. You get that kind of get like a blister in the top of your mouth after about the first five minutes of calling.

Yeah. Or you gotta manipulate it and bend it down just a little bit to get it to go there and try not to loosen up the tape and then bend it back the other way. Yeah, yeah. The average frame is. Is either large or a child. And Jason's one of the few that has the frame that's a medium, so. Nice. That's. That's good. That's good for a lot of people. Yeah. What happened with Jagger? Did we lose Jagger? Yeah. What happened? He kind of disappeared off the picture there. Are you there? There he is.

There he is. I don't know. It, like, closed me out of the studio. Oh, maybe the student didn't like your Jagger. There's probably a reason why. Hey, maybe it was maybe. We thought you took off on another turkey hunting event. Right? Yeah. Behind him. Yeah. All this talk about turkey. We thought we were like, whoa. We grabbed a gun and he's out the back door. He's gone. No, I don't know. That was weird because it, like, closed me out. But before the show, I. The link didn't work, so I don't know.

It's Jagger. There's a question for you. They asking, did you eat that. That mountain lion? I did. It's like pork. It's awesome. I love it. I really want to try that. I do. Really? Yeah. I mean, you gotta come out and go on a hound hunt. Oh, man. All day. From the army from 10th Mountain that lives out in Idaho. Yep. And I missed my elk pants this year. Drawn. I didn't have to. You have, like one hour to pay for it. And I was at work, so I missed that time frame.

But yeah, I'm definitely planning on coming out to Idaho then real soon to hunt. Cool. Yeah, I plan on coming out to Idaho real soon. Hey, Brett, where are you hunting? Hey, come on out. Door's open. Man. I always having fun getting out there with people. So you sound like a. Yeah. This year I'll be. Brett, are you out hunting this year or. No? No. You're not. That's right. What about there? No, no, you're not doing that either. See, I bought my bear cat already got my ultimate bear.

Deer. I'm hunting deer, though, Brett. I. I got the biggest turkey in my life this year. John and Jet. Yeah, what about. So I've heard this year the 13 tail feathers is, like, kind of a big deal. Have you guys ever heard anything about that? I have it. No. So I just did the tail feather or Squatch. Have you heard anything about that? Like the tail feathers? No, I never heard nothing about 13. Oh, that's a standard turkey has 18 tail feathers, okay. Then after four years old, they lose them.

They did. Like, the older turkeys will have about 13 tail feathers. Okay. So I shot my turkey this year in the. We ran up to it, and the guy I was hunting with, first thing he does is count the tail feathers. He's like, you got 13? And he's freaking out. I was like, cool. Like, did I lose some? But no, apparently that's the thing now. And I looked into it more, and yeah, a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, the 13, then the Spurs. I got hooks so I could hang it up on a limb. And that was cool.

I've never had that before. And I'm looking, I'm like, oh, they're two inches. They're two inches, man. I got one and seven, eight. That was it. I was like, so close. Like, measure it again, measure it again. But nope, that's awesome. Just like your dick. 2 inches. 1 in, 7, 8. And like she says, so close. So close. But you have to make the best. Of what you got. Yeah. What about you, Brett? Where's your bird falling at? I got some stuff right here, but I can't make it work.

I make a. I sound like an AR when I do it. We're gonna have to do some recordings for you and just put them out on a speaker for you so you can get something to come in. No kidding. Because, yeah, when I do it, I'm. Like, see, I can't do a diaphragm call. I'll pop it in. Going in too far. Yeah, that's annoying your mouth, John. If it makes you feel any better, I can get him to sound, but it don't sound very good. Oh, I can't even get it to sound.

So it's just practice, practice, practice, practice. I didn't call him under watch. Anything else. But no diaphragm. I can't. So I picked up because, you know, elk. I'm hunting elk this year and beautifuling. I'm like, oh, man, I've got a Butyl. So I ended up buying a Slayer talls elk Butyl the Enchantress. And it's a diaphragm call, but it's a push button blow. And oh, my God, that thing is so awesome. Yeah, those are easy to use. Oh, super easy. I practiced with it on my way to work every day.

This giant whiffle ball bat stood not my window in my truck. But don't try to be the perfect elk. You want to sound like a young bull, not an old one. See that? I've never hunted elk, so I've been told to. You want to be the biggest one out there to get the big ones, you know, the big bulls in? Or you want to be a young bull who doesn't know what he's doing and try to get someone to come in and fight. And I'm like, well, I'm going to sound like a retarded bull. That's.

You're gonna be like a red bull. That's about it. You're gonna. Bouncing around like crazy. Oh, man, I can't wait. Like, whether I see one or not, it's just gonna be an experience and it's gonna be awesome. Yep. Get the elk nut app. Yeah, I'm gonna need to n. He's the bomb, man. Yeah, Everybody else makes good videos, but he teaches well. That's cool. He doesn't lie. So I got a question for you guys. What do you do differently when you got bad weather?

You know, I mean, you get out there, you usually get a nice, crisp, cool morning. And you know, you're getting out there in the beginning of the spring and you hear them gobbling off the roofs and then they hit the ground. They might be hemmed up a little bit. They're talking. They're talking, you know, okay, maybe I got to get them away from their hens around nine o' clock. And, you know, you don't strike, you know, that day. So then you're counting on Sunday to go back out.

And it's raining and it's windy. I mean, you got to do something to change your stuff up. So you guys got any pointers?

What do you do for the weather? Yeah, pour a really nice bourbon, sit back and relax. That's what I do. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Nice. I'll be honest. Even if it's raining, I still go out there just because I like being out there. But yeah, yeah, not too. Not too much success on the rainy days unless you're out in a field. They usually try to get to the. Field here on rainy days in fields, they're. They're out there all day. Yeah, they love the fields, man.

Yep. Yeah, they'll get on the edge of the field, lift their wings up and try to dry out when they can. But for us, I mean, there's not a lot of fields in the first place. And we're mostly in up in the woods and up in the pines and, yeah, they'll play, but, man, they're about as excited about it as you are. They look Depressed. They act depressed, and it's pretty much called depressed as well. So, I mean, since we really. We have a month and a half to go out and chase these birds. Yeah, it's.

You know, if you have a pressure change out here, it shuts down for three days. You can have good pressure or bad pressure, but it has to be consistent pressure. And if it's consistent high or consistent low, it's going to be great. But if you have a flip, you might as well go watch a movie or, like I said, pour a nice bourbon. I saw something to hit on that, too, was if it was 29 on the barometric metric pressure that the birds will gobble more than a lower barometric pressure.

And I know it affects fishing when I'm. I'm out there, the bite gets a little less when there's a higher barometric pressure, because I feel it's. It's like putting, like giving them a headache. Like they don't want to try to pursue the bait, whatever they're chasing. So I've noticed it definitely with fish.

I don't know if there's any truth of it with the turkeys, but I. I did look at my app a couple times on the phone, looking at the parametric pressure, and I'm like, yeah, they're not talking that much today. I need an excuse. Yeah. Why do I suck today? Now? Yeah, it's the barometric pressure, guys. Don't you. Yeah, it's got to be the pressure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is now for, you. Know, And I can only speak to our. To our birds and what's going on out here.

You know, I'm not going to get into. There's a huge difference between if I was going eastern hunting and I'm doing what I'm doing out here. Sure. But if I'm talking to the. The people out here, it really is very, very in your face and obvious. If you have. Whether it's low or high, it has to be a consistent for a couple days. Yeah. You can always find that one bird if you want to kill yourself walking through the mushroom, but it's not likely.

And I've watched it shut down right in front of me with birds that were gobbling and coming in. I mean, literally watching with Binos, I'm like, well, these birds are hot. They're going to be here in 15 minutes because we'll call them from one mountain range to the next. They'll just keep coming. Our birds will walk a country mile to die. But I've watched the pressure flip right in the middle of all of this and hit you in the back of the head with a cold brush.

And you're like, oh, God, no. And you can watch those birds just stop dead in their tracks, shut down, turn around and just start eating. It's like, wow. The heck. It's like, man, it just. It shuts off and there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, yeah, it's. I've. I've experienced that too. This year we had them, you know, rare and hot right off the beginning. And then mid morning, it was like, where the hell they go?

And then about 10:30, 11:00 clock, they're back, they're gobbling on their own. I mean, what. I killed my. When I killed my bird this year, I had made a series of some loud calls. And then we just shut up. I was like, you know what? We're in a good spot. We don't have to move. We had our decoys out. And that Tom. Thank God Frank stood up the stretch because he's like, squatch, it's coming to your window. It's. It's your side. Shoot him. And I'm like, it's your bird, Frank.

He's like, no, I can't shoot you. Shoot him. So I shoot. Roll the bird over. We got three cameras in there. I'm like, was your camera on? He's like, no. I'm like, oh, no. So I reach over, I hit mine on. I got the bird just kind of making its last flop and I'm all happy. And he's happy. And I look at him and he goes, I'll never forget because he goes, you were happy. And all of a sudden you realize what you did. He's like that, look, you were just like, oh, I just shot a bird off a Frank.

You know, and. And he was happier than all get out, man. He was just, you know, I'm blessed. I'm really blessed to have somebody that cares that much. You know, sometimes people get jealous and it's. It's not. There's no place for that. You know, we. We're just as happy if somebody in our group. Oh, yeah, you know, we're just ecstatic, you know, And. And you, you do generally see it in the video how much that, you know, we're jumping up and down for joy and that he's happy for me.

And you know, I. Like I said, I was a little depressed at first. I felt really bad, but you know, in the same respect, I didn't want to ruin it either. And just, you know, be happy for each other. And it was. It was really good, man. Heck, yeah. It's always more fun seeing other people's success, honestly. Yep. Gotta love it. I was speaking of turkeys, though. Like, my weird superstition is, I say all the time, if I don't catch.

If I don't see a turkey feather on opening day, walking to or from my stand on opening day, then I just think to myself, this season's gonna suck balls already. Catch it or something. Or maybe I'll find one later on the road. I'm like, all right, there's a little bit of. Little bit of glimmer left in my hunting season, but if I just don't find one at all, I. I just instantly think, yep, I suck. I'm not gonna do anything this year. It's gonna be the worst season of my life.

So I don't usually do this, but this year, I actually started scouting on my birthday, which is March 20, and I went out almost every single day until season opened. Wow. Which, as John will tell you for around here, it's pretty rare to find. You know, it's doable, but it's definitely. You're working to find birds. And before I open her this year, I had 12 gobblers found. Very nice. Beautiful. That's really good. That's good for Montana. That's for sure. Like I say, I. It was.

You know, it was every day, but definitely put in the time and the effort, and it was a lot of fun. Yeah. I'll say this, though. I had a buddy during turkey season. He. He caught a. A triple beard. And if I remember right, it was 10, 8, 6. Did you just say he caught one? Yeah, he killed once. Yeah. He ran it down and caught it with a nest. Exactly. You know, you know, the commercials.

Where are, like, those videos on the Internet where the husband is, like, watching the cheetah chase something, and the wife goes, if that cheetah doesn't catch that, you. I'll give you some poontang tonight. And then they come out there, and then he chased down the cheetah. Yeah, that's my buddy. He did that with a turkey. And he said it. Like, I've seen it done in Florida. Of course. Florida. They use, like, the hand decoy, and they walk right up to a time, and they'll grab it.

Like, that is crazy. Yeah, crazy. Completely illegal to do here in Michigan, but, yeah, I thought it was like, oh, dude, I really want to try that one day. You know what, though, man? With these guys out here, some of them, you probably end up getting shot. They probably think you're a big old turkey coming through the woods. You'd be like, oh, man. And it'd be on video.

And all of a sudden you just see the shot coming at you at, like, the last second, and then the camera just fades out and no more Johnny. Yep. Sorry. John's. John's not gonna make it on the Tuesday or Sunday episodes now. Yeah, we're gonna be really bummed about that. Yeah, real bummed. We might throw a party and Just to keep our spirits alive. That's right. Yeah. About to get Dave back on the show. God, I'd wish you have him over you.

At least he brings some entertainment, some good looks to the show. This is true. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you. What do you guys. Michael's been asking this question. Go ahead, jump the Michael. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. My bad. Go ahead. Ah, dude, go, go. No, no, no, you go. You go. Well, be the dick. I'm not going to be the dick. All right, all right. So I was just going to ask these guys, what do you. What's.

What's the biggest mistake that you think new turkey hunters make when they get out there? Calling too much. Yeah. Yeah, I'll agree. What do you think, John? I don't know. Everybody says I call too much, but so far, so good. I don't know. Not calling. I mean, the classic is lack of patience, you know, and just not learning enough woodsmanship of the area that you're going to be hunting in, overall, not knowing what's out there and what's going on. But, you know, we've all read the.

The different things everybody always wants to say. Lack of patience probably more than anything else, depending on where you are. Yeah, I agree. I agree that patience is definitely a big key role with that. And like I said, where we were sitting out in the field, you know, I was like, hey, don't worry about it. We got everything going for us. We're like in the middle of the movement here. We just got to hang tight and it'll happen.

And the second time we went out after that same thing again, they. They were talking a little bit. They got quiet, and they came back again, and he's like, you know, I used to, like, run and gun a lot more. I said, yeah, well, I'm old. I don't like to move around too much. Chris. You know, I've learned just to be patient. A lot of the times those birds Will just, you know, meander their way back through and, you know, you'll get a crack at them.

Sometimes they just got to get away from the hens and just like rabbit hunting. A lot of the times they'll just make a big circle and come right back through around on you. And you get it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Get a good chance of really smoking another one, you know, so that's cool about that. You know, I. Like I said, every place is different, but it's just awesome when you, you know, you get it when it all comes together. Just like any hunt, it's. It's key, man.

And when you get to experience it with somebody, it's even better. Yep, that's key. Even Montana. Even that Montana turkey hunt with John. Was that. That. That was an adventure in 23. Yeah, it sure was. If only we had a slug when that bear came through. Oh, he'd have been dead. He was a stud, man. He's any close to. We could have stabbed him with a knife. Yeah. Is that black bear or drizz? Black bear. Big old black bears ears are way out there on the sides of his head.

He was a. He was a good bruin Walking right down the road to us. So the funny part about that whole thing is my uncle, who was with us, he decided to go on an actual bear hunt. Like, hike in and try to find a bear. And me and John went turkey hunting. And. Yeah. Had one at what, 10 yards? If that. That was so funny on that video, man. I watched that one. And you're like, yeah, my uncle's out bear hunting, and here comes this big old bear right by you guys crossing. Oh, yeah.

I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I've had bears come in when I was turkey hunting, too. It's pretty wild. It's fun. It's fun. Yeah, it was pretty funny because Jeff was like, I can't. All right. I need to take a break from turkey hunt so I can go kill a bear today. I'm like, okay, you're gonna wish you didn't, you know? And sure enough, on video, I'm like, there you go, man. Should have been with us. You should have stuck with it. You could get your big old bear. Nice. Yeah, A lot of fun.

Since Michael's stupid comment. He's saying he's commenting on here, and he wants me to pin it about Squatch, but I can't see it. I told him to tx it to me, but he is yet to do it. That's so much for a 14 year old. Pay attention to the details and doing the correct thing. He's from Long Island. What do you expect? I've seen nothing on it either. I've been watching those. I know, because he's just an idiot. But we love him. He no longer has the right. I'm gonna say this right now.

He no longer has the right to ask if our guests that come on the show if they tried possum. It's done and over with. We're done with that. Our guest on the last show said he's tried it, we're done with it. We can move on. Knowing him, he'll come up with some other dumbass question to ask all of our guests. So we're waiting for that when they come around. And so anyway, I got, I got some fried chicken and some watermelon to eat and I got some kool Aid I want to drink it down with here.

So I'm gonna start wrapping up here in a second. I want to ask this, though, a couple rapid fire questions for you. For you both. Let me find my questions. Here we go. First question is we'll shoot it to John and then we'll go. We'll go. John Jagger. John Jagger. Brian, besides hunting, do you have any other hobbies or interests? Ooh, fishing's a big one. Of course. That's one of my biggest hobbies as well. Nice. Jagger, what about you, man? Hunting, fishing.

I don't do it so much anymore, but for four or five year run, I was pretty heavy into wolf trapping because wolves are a big issue in Montana. So I got pretty serious about wolf trapping and just anything in the outdoors, shooting, whatever. What's your biggest wolf you've ever trapped? I've personally never actually trapped one. That's pretty badass. Not gonna lie. That's just all like wolf trapping. Sounds like something I really want to try one day. They're small. I will be honest.

It's a lot of work and it's, it's time commitment. You're out there every day. Oh, absolutely. That's a lot of fun. They're super smart. They are. John. Johnny. I'm talking to our Johnny. This the rapid fire segment, not the long out segment. I don't know what happened to the rapid fire man. It's the slowest machine gun I've ever seen. He's called. That's called hang. That's a hang fire segment. They're hanging out of those 81s, shaking your arms.

You want to ask him what his mother's maiden name was, where she Was born. I mean, you know, we could get real detail here. Yeah, yeah. We can really get into this. Yeah. His grandfather come over on the Mayflower. What was his meme? You know, I mean, we could. We could go back. Favorite cigar, favorite bourbon. Yeah, we can keep going. Yeah, we can just rock this right out. Yeah. John, what animal is in your bucket list to hunt? Say it again. What animal is on your bucket list to hunt?

What animals on my bucket list? I would say successful archery with a mountain line. Ooh, nice. Yeah, that's a bucket list for me. What is animals on your bucket list to hunt? An eastern, a Rio, and an Osceola. Before I die, I will complete the grand slam. It ain't a matter of if. It's a matter of when. Nice attitude. Love that. Now. Oh, my God. I got. Okay, Michael, I swear to God, we're not gonna entertain this, but I'm gonna just say this. He asked, Jagger, have you ever tried walrus?

No. No. I'm not going down this rabbit hole because no one's ever going to come on the show and say they drive walrus. Right? Yeah. For that. That question, we can go up to legends, and they have. Oh, there we go. We can just get that done right now. Tuesday. Yeah, we'll just go up there and say, hey, did you guys try wallers? Yeah. All right, perfect. Let's start that question down right away. I can't remember her name, but, yeah, once. That's good. Two times.

Come up with a different animal, Michael. Jesus. A walrus? You. Seriously, Jagger, what animal you want to try eating? That. We walked right into that question. What was the question? What animal do you want to try eating? I don't. I mean, anything. I don't know. Moose. I don't think I've ever tried moose. Really? Actually, John, what about you? Alligator. Actually. That would be a close. That would be a close, close one, too. Have you had. Have we had anyone on the show? Say crocodile?

No, I don't think we have. No, I think that's the first one. Yeah. I don't. I don't think so. Michael has to leave. He says I have to leave. Bye. Bye. Thank God. Don't hurry back. He's gonna. He's going to eat dessert. Try that possum. Yeah, that possum and walrus. It's like a possum pie, baby. Love you, Michael. Have a good night, man. Let's go back here to John. What has been your favorite state you've hunted? Ooh, favorite state that I've hunted.

It still goes back to Idaho, and I've hunted a lot of different states, but, man, I just love getting up in those high mountains of Idaho. Love it. It's rugged, it's harsh, it's difficult, and it's always a challenge. Jagger, what about you? You've been out of the state yet to hunt. I don't want to copy, John, but Idaho? I have never seen so many birds in my entire life as I seen the two days in Idaho. I forget. We. We. You hardly saw any birds in Idaho. That was Maine. You were in Maine.

You were in Maine. Idaho was the worst. There's not that many birds in Idaho. Come on, dude, come out. We'll set you up in Brett's spot. We'll see birds. Jagger, all of a sudden, next year's road trip to Idaho from the white till advantage, guys. They're gonna be like, what the hell? Spoil your ride. Jagger, what is the top state you want to try and horn? I would love to go to Florida and chew Nascula. Wow. Okay. John, what about you? I had to hear it again. It was kind of broken up.

What is the top state you want to try to hunt? Hawaii. Hawaii? Oh, yeah, Hawaii. They don't churches there, though, John. Yeah, they got turkeys there. Oh, do they? Oh, yeah. And then maybe we'll make a trip to Hawaii. But if you ask what's my top country, it'd be New Zealand. Oh. Ooh. Yep. New Zealand Archery doesn't get much better. I've seen videos, and that looks badass. It's cool. I got family there now, so it could happen. Oh, wow. All right.

If you could pick anybody, family or non family member, to go on a hunting trip or share a campfire with one time, who would that be? Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. That Nugent. That was my answer too. Yeah. Jagger, what about you, buddy? I honestly don't know if I have an answer. You can say, Brett, it's all right. Huh? You, Brett. You'D be better go off hunting with Cookie monster from Sesame Street. Better off hunting with 1995 Pamela Anderson. I'll put it this way. Any. Any of you guys.

I'm already off the list, so we've hunted together. John. Yeah. John who? Who's John? I don't count anymore. Well, you said earlier you'd like to get an eastern, so I just want to extend the invitation. You get a hold of me, I'll do my damn best to get you on an eastern out here. I don't know how you get out here. If you could get out Here. But I'd be willing to take you anywhere. I can go anytime. I could start another GoFundMe. Yeah, yeah. Same with Michigan, man. I got some amazing spots.

I got some awesome places and connections. We'll make it happen, for sure. If you really want to get somewhere, if you really want to get turkey killed in Michigan, come to me and I'll just set you up perfectly. I'll set you up with Johnny. There you go. I'd love to shoot one in the Adirondacks. It's been a long time since I hiked up there. Well, that's. That's only a couple hours for me. That's not too bad. We can get you. Yeah. Hey, you know, I can get you.

Well, if you're retired, so am I. We can get out to Fort Drum. I know right where they are there. Yeah, I just retired three months ago, so I'm ready to go. Perfect. Let's go hit drum up sometime. We'll. We'll hunt. There's definitely going to be some states hitting some birds killed this year. Oh, yeah, for sure. Time to start calling in all those numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. John, should we. Should we talk about how many birds you had this year? No. That'S a hard game.

There's game wardens listening. Shh. Don't tell us. Yeah, that's right. Be quiet. Yeah, somebody's gonna start checking my freezers.

Last question here for you guys. Jagger, start with you. What do you think we, as fellow hunters, could or should do to improve the hunting community? The big one, especially around here, is clean up after yourself in the woods. There is nothing, and pardon my French, but there's nothing that pisses me off more. When I go to hunt a piece of public land and all I see is trash.

We have a beautiful country in the great state of Montana, and you're out there sometimes miles back, and all you see is trash. It really gets under my skin. It's like you pack it in, pack it out, pick up after your damn selves. Right. Lazy out there. Yeah, I agree with you. Down that dough, Jagger. John, what about you, man? I'll second Jagger. But I mean, really, if I'm gonna get into that question a little bit in depth, it's gonna be, how about voting for a change?

Like, absolutely, get out and vote. Because so many hunters, I mean, they talk big, but honestly, the truth of it, we know about 20% actually take the time to put any energy into voting, and we need that. We need it desperately. Get involved in what's going on in your community. Backcountry hunters and anglers is a really good community to join up and be a part of. They're very involved in what's going on in our public land. So that's a pitch for them for sure.

We need a hunting in the summer so we can hunt in the fall. Yeah, yeah. More tags. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Was it. I was watching Head N Speak last time when, when Trump was running or the first initial time when his first term he tried running. That was a big thing that they were saying. Yeah, the hunters out there, they talked this. Like you said, they talked this big game and. But yet they don't actually take the time to go vote. They don't.

I mean, we're losing all our rights out here in the state of Washington. I can't blame it all on Seattle as much as a lot of it is. But the truth of it is when you get involved in the community of hunters, we have, and we have tons, they don't vote, they're not active. I'm like, stop complaining about losing your spring bear season then, you know. Yeah. Because they're. They don't want to try and stay involved and try to understand what's going on.

It's one thing learning, knowing what's going on in a different state, like, but if you're hunting in your own state and granted it's law that you need to know this, the laws, but you need to know the other things going out there in your own state of. Well, they're trying to do this and trying to push this narrative and this law and they're trying to push these here and there. I'll say this, for example. The township that I live in, they.

We are the second highest paying township in the entire state of Michigan. And my township that I live in is like in the boondocks nowhere. And it's like extremely shocking, especially when you have like Grand Rapids, Detroit, Kalamazoo and you have all these major cities in Charter City and all these other townships, but mine in low southwest Michigan. Anyways. Location, location, location. Yeah, our taxes by 5%. No one showed up to this.

And I'm an idiot because I didn't know it until after the fact. But then about a hundred people came to the next town to vote and a lot of people showed up and they said, no, fuck that, you ain't gonna try and push this at the last second. I use that as an example because in the hunting world, same thing, same shit happens. They try to pass it here Nothing gets about it at that time and then still nobody shows up at the next time. Yeah. So. Yep. Get involved, stay involved.

You're gonna lose it if you don't. Exactly. Jagger, John, I want to say thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. We greatly. Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Thanks guys. This is fun. Great to see you guys in person at some point. Yeah, be great. That'd be fun. My door's open. Come on out and hunt. John, how can people reach out to you, man? You can find me on Instagram at Northwest spur chasers or YouTube as well. Pretty easy to get a hold of me there. Jagger, what about you, buddy?

Turkey Slayers 406 on Instagram or Turkey Slayers 406 on YouTube. Awesome. Squatch. How about you, buddy? You guys all know Sundays and Tuesdays at 8 o' clock. You know, I'm on here also with Boondocks. Awesome guys out there. And you know the Garden State outdoorsman, Frank and Mike. They're great guys. Could catch me on Instagram. Same title, outdoors and more of the Squatch. Don't forget to watch the YouTube channel. I enjoy all the comments and subscribes.

You know, the guys give me and I got merch out there. Guys. Check out Bonfire, man. I just came up with some new shirts and stuff. Doing some stuff with the chat GPT. Making up different shirts and funny little things. So hey, you know, support the old Squatch, I take it, turn it around, put it towards camera equipment and stuff for the channel. I don't burn it up on anything else. So I appreciate all you guys and, and you two both are freaking inspiration.

And I'm so glad I got to meet you guys. I'm glad Jagger got what we were striving for out there. And you know, you guys are good God fearing men and that's. That's what I like. It's good. Good people. Amen. Johnny, our Johnny. How. How can people do it for you, man? Yeah, you can find me on here Tuesdays and sometimes. Or yeah, Tuesdays, sometimes Sundays. Hit or miss, I'm around. You'll see me on here. I just count on Johnny not showing up. I ruin your day.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm looking forward to it. I get so excited, like, all right. I haven't heard anything about him showing up for tonight's show. He's not gonna be there. Okay, great. It's gonna be a Zen peaceful night. Then I see him in the waiting room and I'm like, oh, I was here. The best part Is he can't drop me from the waiting room, so I can just jump right back in. I have that admin ability.

Yeah, I gave him, Squatch and Dave, the admin ability to do whatever they want with this whole studio thing. And that's probably one of the worst decisions. Well, the second worst decision because I asked him to be a part of the team. Yeah, you asked us to be a part of it first. Yeah, that was the main kicker one right there. God, that squash. God damn. So I can mute him like that. Now Brett can talk. It's awesome. But I'll bring him back. What's up, Brett? Yeah, what up?

I don't know where I went off. Anyway, thank you guys again for coming on tonight's show. Greatly appreciate it and thanks for the invite. Yeah, thanks for having us. Awesome stuff, guys. Nice having you on. Yeah, thanks for. Yeah, it's great seeing you, brother. Thanks for your help, everybody and anybody that's out there listening. Thanks for the help of the fun drive to get Jagger his machine. Absolutely making a dream come true. I really appreciate it.

Now we have to start a drive to him to shoot in eastern. Come on out here. Yeah. Yep. Come on. Like I say, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. I will be completing the grand slam, period. We just gotta get you two more batteries. You can get there, no problem. I'm just gonna say I'm gonna pull. I'm going to be going out to my truck and he's going to be sitting there at his scooter, man, like, hey, let's go. All right.

Yeah, well, I. I worked in the hybrid and electric vehicle field, so I. I'll get you covered on that. There you go. Heck yeah. All right, guys, have a great rest of your night. All right, take care, brother. See you guys. All right, well, everyone, that's going to conclude another episode of the Whitetail Advantage podcast. I want to say thank you to everyone that's tuning in for tonight's show. Greatly appreciate it.

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