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but I also really loved Actually I watched it. I didn't watch it then I watched because you're ten years younger than me. No, no, no, but no, I just I love you. But I've I've come to like get to know you because where we were like damn buddies. Yeah, I just really enjoyed getting to know you because you are You're You're just You're beautiful person like inside and out and your Herdwroken mama, and I just like I love your heart like you have an amazing heart. You

feel the same way about you. Um, we have an amazing guess. I'm I got lots to chat with Tori about. But um, we have our guest Christine Carlson in the waiting room. So let's get her on and then me and Tory will catch up after that, so you're not gonna want to miss a second of it. But before that, let's take a break. Hi. Hi, it's Janna and Tori. Hi. You doing Hi? Um, don't sweat the small stuff. It's going to be is on Lifetime? Did you get to

cast who you wanted to play you? No? No, no, I had very little to do with any of that. That's all production. I feel like I would like be like, no, no, like this is who i'd want to play me, because like what if like you were just like, wait, that's not that's that's what if you didn't like her as an actor? Oh I was thinking physically, but yes, that too. You know, they asked me who my wish list was and and so you know, I got to say who my wish list was. But then was Michelle Pfiffer on there?

Because I feel like you guys kind of look alike, right, I love Michelle Phiffer. I didn't think of her, but I thought of Reese Witherspoon. I love Reese Witherspoon. And yeah, but I'm so thrilled. Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, she's amazing. I'm so so happy about who they chose. Okay, So I have not had the privilege to read Don't Sweat the Small Stuff yet, but I feel like I need to because I feel like I swept the small stuff along. Yeah, same, but you read it. I read it, and I still

sweat the small stuff. But I love it. Like it's that type of thing that you pass on to everyone. You're like, you need to do this, but execution, and like you take it in, but it's hard to execute things. Why is that trying to? Well, I mean, don't speat this small stuff is more about keeping life in perspective

than it is anything else. So I mean, we all have so much small stuff that we're dealing with all the time, and I think it's important to recognize what's really small because it takes your life the energy away. And then certainly, when something really big happens, you don't swept the small stuff. And I think, um, that becomes

very obvious to most of us. And I'm sure that when you've gone through a hard time, both of you, you probably realized that that the little things that might have bothered you the day before something big happens don't even touch your radar for a long time. Have you

ever noticed that? Yeah? Actually, yeah, it's interesting. And I also wonder too, you know, when it comes to this small stuff, I mean, I or putting things in perspective, I have a hard time, like when I know the perspective, but then I just let it sit there, like I know what I need to do, but I'm just like, I'm gonna just keep going down this road thinking that something's gonna change, and then it never changes. Like that's that's my problem with my perspective. Does that make sense?

It does? And I think, Um, there was a time in my life where I lived that way too, especially when I was younger. And then suddenly, um, my husband died and that pretty much changed everything. You know, I was living things, I was thinking things that I should be doing differently, Um, living a little more asleep to life, Um, not as awake as as I have after his death. And he passed tragically right from a very rare was

it what was it again? Pulmonary embolism? Thanks for not thanks for not saying it and not knowing what that happens. Sometimes people make the mistake of saying, oh, he died from a heart attack. He didn't die from a heart attack, It was a blood clot, a pulmonary embolism on a on the descent of a flight into New York. So it was very sudden. He was only forty five years old and I was forty three. How did you get

up after that? It was tough. I mean, I, you know, first of all, like I wasn't prepared at all, like most people aren't for sudden death. I you know, didn't have any I really didn't have it in my consciousness that Richard would die suddenly. So I was completely shocked. But I think that when you have kids, the blessing of having children is that you do what you need to do for them. And certainly, um, I knew that I had to get up every day and be with my kids and make sure they were okay because I

wasn't the only one in grief. They were in deep griefs. So it was tough. But I think my life and so many levels, I had done so much spiritual work, and I had been a meditator my whole life, and Richard and I had written and taught together, and so the tenants of don't spent the small stuff in the principles of happiness that are woven in that series really helped me, gave me a lot of emotional tools to

work with. And that said, it was still really really it was heartbreaking, and it was it was horrible, and there were times where I didn't want to get up. And I think that's normal. I think that no matter how heroic you might feel that you can be, you know, you you have to also make allowances for the days where you can't be that and you have to be in a state of wherever you are because it's a

healing process. You know, we we don't realize that when we go through a trauma of any kind, you know, we we could be a very stable person prior to that trauma and then suddenly you're like a wounded animal. And that's what we all are in trauma, you know, whether it comes through the loss of your spouse, through death, through divorce, through you know, you get news of your health and suddenly one day you thought you were a healthy person and the next day you found out you're not.

That's traumatic and we have to go through a process. We have to allow for a process of healing to how fun um and in order to gain the strength that we need to really call on all the resilience that we have, and you know, let's face it, like like those kinds of issues are the issues that are the really big stuff of life, and there are issues that we're all going to face at one point or another,

for sure. Yeah, I feel like the process is the interesting part because my friends are big how are you? And I'm like, I gotta I always have to think about it. I'm like, um, like today, I'm good, Like ask me again tomorrow because like tomorrow because I'm going through divor actually I'm divorced. It's not going through anymore. I'm divorced, and so like every day is like a different kind of like am I good today? Because and

then I told my therapist. I was like, man, I had a real rough weekend last week and I was so down on myself, and she was just like, you're gonna have those moments again, and you're gonna have really great moments and then you're gonna have really bad moments. And I'm like, well, but I just want the good moments and she's like that's not how healing and even works, Like you're going to have the hamster wheel and I'm like,

that's that part. It's like, okay, can I just like wheel it really fast, like get to the get to the good. That's great that you're able to even take a pause to think about it, because I feel like naturally our instinct is when someone says how are you? Oh good? Great, and then you know, like why did

I say that I'm not? And did you I mean, either of you ever feel guilty saying like, oh, I don't know what bad other persons going through, but I am individually dealing with my own grief and loss, and I feel bad putting it on them and saying like, oh, I'm not good because for me, I'm always like, well, I don't know what they're going through, so I don't want to unload my stuff on them. But it's important to be able to speak your truth to get it out. And I think your friends want you to write do

you know what I mean? Like like they want to know Like like for me, I'm like I hate it when Catherine goes I'm fine. I go, I know you're not right, yes, And it makes me like I get annoyed with her and she knows that because I'm like when I ask a out you know, her and her husband. I know she doesn't want to talk about it, but

I'm also like, talk to me. I'm your best friend, like I love you, you know, and I'm and I'm like and also because selfishly, I'm going to be crying on your lap in about five minutes, so like, let me help you. You know. Yeah, I love that too, when you you know, pause and you know you're not an automatic pilot and pretending you know the everything is all right when it's not. I I do agree with both of you, and I think that's beautiful that you do that, Jana, that you you stop and ask yourself.

I mean, that's at the really core of mindfulness is to really take that pause and ask yourself how am I feeling and then put your attention there. You know. It's not to deny your feelings or to become like you know, I I've learned over the years about just how dangerous being like overly positive can be, you know, because it's like honoring of what is truly in your heart. And when we don't honor what we're feeling, then those

feelings tend to fester and become something else. And that's I think what we don't want is we want those feelings to have a way out. And I always like to think of depression as um the opposite of expression. So expression is getting it out and depression is holding it in. Yeah. I think it's something too to not judge your when you because I judge when I'm like weak yourself. Yeah, And I think that's normal too. I think a lot of people do that. I think we're

we tend to be very hard critics on ourselves. Yeah. I had someone say to me like, Okay, it's been six months, like get over it, and I'm like, it's not, just get over it. And then but then I like judge. I'm like, maybe I should be over it, but I'm like no, because I still have feelings and I still have emotions, and I think people are just they I don't know, those people might just not be as empathetic or have I mean, some part of you should never be over it because it's a part of your life,

your journey and and your love. You made beautiful babies. Are you remarried, No, Okay, are you back out in a scene? Do you have a boyfriend? Yeah, I mean it's been fifteen years. I've had many boyfriends. My love life hasn't been boring. I'll just say that, Christine, are you in bumble currently? Currently, I'm not a bumble. But I did podcast about online dating for a while just as an experiment. It was it was fascinating to me,

So I really like, I kind of. I mean, I've had a lot of friends meet their person online and on bumble, but my luck, um, whenever I'm on it doesn't it doesn't seem to be really great. So I don't know. I've always dated men that kind of come through connections, um or I've met them organically. Do you want to get married again? I don't think so. Yeah,

I was. I was having that conversation your girls. You girls are a lot younger than I am, so I'm you know, I'm like, I'm fifty eight now, so I'm I'm sort of past the need of necessarily getting married. And now that said, I mean, I if I found the right man and I have a very high bar, you know, to partner with, and and I felt like he was really going to be a great partner for me, I would of course do that and be open to that.

But I actually think I might have some commitment issues after Richard, you know, in which in which sense just that I just don't, you know, I just don't have that necessary need to feel like I want to be in a committed, committed relationship long long term. Now the guy that I'm dating right now doesn't know that, So I hope he doesn't listen to I'm sure he's not a fan of wine now might Yeah, I gotta be careful what I say if we're gonna be recorded. Trust

by the way, I heard that you said that. No. It's funny though, because I was having I went out on this date and I was, um, I I asked, I was like, you know, would you because he had been married before and he's older, and I was like, would you want to be married again? And He's like, I don't know. And a part of me was kind of like because I'm like, I I like, I know, I've been married so many freaking times, but like, I love marriage, and I just I want my kids to

see what like a healthy marriage looks like. And it's just so important to me, you know, And I would, but also, like my mom, it took her. She was she was single for twenty years and then she met and she got married at fifty five. Um. Yeah, and so it's like, but I totally hear what you're saying, because there is that part, like you have lived so much of your life now where you're like you're good, like you don't need to have like this. I don't know. Well,

I mean it's it's like I'm not lacking. My My life is very full and fulfilling, and I'm not I'm not looking toward a relationship to fill me. Um. I think that if I found somebody that was as whole as I am and as complete that I found exciting to be with and he checked all my boxes, you know, I have a really high bar. My husband was amazing. He was the love of my life and we had a we had an amazing marriage. So and it was

a twenty five year relationship. So it's you know that in a lot of ways, I feel like I have fulfilled that part of my destiny and you know, and I still feel like I'm very much with him, although I know that if the tables were turned, I would want him to find somebody and be with somebody, so I know he wouldn't. He wants the same thing for me. But I just think I have a really high bar and I and I think that's okay, and that's good, and you know, that's that's fine. Um, it doesn't mean

I want meet that person. I'm totally open, but I'm certainly not desperate. So do you believe you can have multiple soul made a different form? I do? I do. I. I do believe that we have multiple soulmates, both male and female, and our friends are often our soulmates. And you know, we have so many sisters and so many

brothers and so many lovers. And yeah, for sure, do I feel like there's perhaps maybe a couple of people in the world that are the most special people that are you know, you're really super compatible with that, you share the same values that you are. You know, you keep that connection alive, you know, in the same way. Um, I think that's probably true that we have a couple of people like that. And but you know, and I think a lot of people are still searching for their

one person like that. And so I feel like, you know, I had that person, and if I met another one would be great, but I'm not. I'm not actively searching or meeting of it. And I felt a little differently when I was in my forties. You know, my my sexual desires have changed a little bit. Not that I don't enjoy sex. I love sucks, but I'm not as horny as I was when I tell me that as sister. Yeah, yeah, it's a totally different thing. When you're in your forties.

That's like the I think that's the worst time in your life to lose your husband. I will say this, which is kind of funny, like it's around the same this topic where you because I'm gonna be thirty eight, and you know, there have been, you know, some men that have wanted to hang and I'm like, in my twenties, I have been like, yeah, come over, But now I'm like, my vibrator is going to do just fine. And my vibrator goes in a drawer and I don't want to be like you can give me, please leave because I

like being alone now. So I'm like like like that, I feel like that's an older thirties, like into your forties. Really I'm good. Things I don't need, like my little pink bunny is fine. I feel like the bunnies don't move fast enough. Sorry, just going back to something that you did say that I thought it was interesting is you know, the bar was set high, and I feel like I have to be careful because I want it so bad that I don't rush into something because I

wanted so bad. That's something I feel like I've always done, like I've rushed into like oh my god, he's my soul mate and this is the one. And then I'm like, wait, I would not have if I really looked, I would have seen all these red flags and then I wouldn't have stayed. But I like, I don't see them. I have got these like blinders. I don't know if you saw this one emoji thing where it was like the therapist said, didn't you see the red flags and the

little monkeys? Like I thought it was a carnival, Like that's like I lived my life. I'm just like, oh, I thought it was just like whoa, I don't know. It's hard fun, but there's something so pure and beautiful to that, you know, like I don't want you to ever lose that, like the red flag suck, but like you got to follow your heart to some extent to you do you guys are like how do you know? I? Yeah, I believe that. I don't think that there's any lost relationship.

You know, we learned so much about ourselves through the reflection of the person that we're with. And so whoever you decide to spend time with, you're going to learn something about yourself, you know, through that that person, And they're going to learn about themselves too, because I feel like we're all mirrors of one another, and we have our own holographic universe. And you know, right now, you too are in my holographic universe through Zoo, you know.

And and who knew I'd be sitting in Heather Lockler's home right now and talking to you right now in her house right now. Yeah, we're gonna be on Good Morning America tomorrow. So I came over and I'm spend the night with her. Will you give her my love? I've known forever. I know she's the best, She's the sweetest, such a kind person, is so talented. Sweet love that okay, So Heartbroken Open is a book you have out right now on Amazon. What can like? What can I Tori

readers listeners expect in that book? Well, I guarantee if you pick it up and you start to read it, you probably won't put it down. It's a definite page Turner and it's UM. I only say that because that's what people tell me. So UM. I know actually don't read much of my own books after I write them,

you know, I don't go back and read them. But UM, but it's a very raw, a little bit on the untamed category, I think, you know, like um with like I haven't read Glenn and Doyle's book, but my daughter's read some of it to me, and I think that it's a little bit like that, where it's my story, but it's very raw and it's very deep, but it also has a lot of after in it. Um. You really talk about, UM, kind of my journey of how I discovered myself through my loss and how it's almost

like going through that. It was such a deep awakening for me. And I wasn't a person that I ever really thought I was asleep, you know, but I really woke up to life in such a very new and powerful way through loss and UM, and that's why I was really compelled to write the book. But it's also just very raw and vulnerable and and people love it. It's like it's like being in somebody's head, in somebody's world with them. What did you learn most about yourself

from from the loss. Oh my gosh, so so much. I mean, it's very it's pretty deep, like where I learned about my ego and how my ego had been really sneaky and how it had been really tied up and being Richard's wife. And I always say, when you always know when you're in a true crisis because you're

you're in an identity crisis. So whatever kind of laws you go through, when it rips apart your identity and it puts you a just ground zero where you just don't know who you are, that's actually really amazing place to be because when you don't know who you are, your egos not in charge, that's when you are who you are. And it's a kind of interesting feeling. Like you remember, I just remember sitting sometimes and I was so present and I was sitting and I'd be like, Wow,

this is what it feels like to be me. Mhm, you know. And I mean because I wasn't all caught up in holding the perfect life, having the perfect life, all the stuff that we as women do to make sure everyone in our households has the perfect life, you know, for the first time, I wasn't caught up In that I was my life had shattered. And and in that shattering, I started to realize, Wow, I could see it all, Like I could see what a gift this was in some level, and I hated it. I wanted my husband back,

like I loved him. I love him still. I wanted him back. But I thought, Jess, if he has to die, I'm going to get something out of this, you know, like this is gonna be like big for my growth. It has to be. And and so I was completely open to seeing life totally different. And I did. And that's what the book is about, is just waking up, you know, waking up to who you really are. I love that because I feel like I'm trying to figure

that out too, like who am I? And like in those moments of just being alone and not having any distractions and sitting there, it's it's a painful, but it's also I feel like it's a beautiful process too. And I'm I'm kind of finding the bat I'm trying to find the balance in between the two. Yeah. And I think when you when you really get comfortable with who you are, you know, when you're without a partner or you know, a man in your life. Then you know,

you get that's where real confidence comes from. That's where true confidence comes from. Confidence doesn't have anything to do with all the outside things that we make it have to do with it's it's a true feeling of of knowing and resonating with your inner sense of your inner

identity and who you are from the inside. And I've just always put my worth like from a man, like like whatever a man said to me or whatever, like how he treated me, I'm like, oh, that's what I deserve, that's my worth and like and then I try and like so that's why it's like I'm really truly trying to force myself to just like be you know, mindful and alone and try and figure me out because I'm like I can't. My friends are always like you always

go left. You gotta start growing right, and like right is you? Right is finding you and hopefully on that path as well, we're you know, you'll be confident enough to choose not the left path again. You know. Yeah, I have to choose yourself first. Um, And and we are not taught that as women were taught to take care of everyone else and choose ourselves last. And that

doesn't work very well, you know. And I also think that when we don't know ourselves and we that's when we're looking for somebody else to fulfill that sense of who we are. Like just what you said, and that's all very common and you know you just you. I think when we look at our patterns, that's very very helpful. You know, what is your pattern in relationship? And then the idea of not repeating the pattern is becomes kind of the goal is to look at how can I

not repeat the same thing over? What could I do differently now? And I think life is so much about an inquiry, and the journey of finding out who you are is about the questions you ask yourself. We all have the answers. I mean, we all do. We just have to ask the right questions, and sometimes we ask the wrong questions. So I feel like I asked the

right questions and I get the wrong answers. But I'm still like, well, they'll get the right answer, Like they'll eventually come with the right answer that I want the answer. Have you ever thought you've like broken the pattern? And this doesn't always have to be a love relationship. It can be a friendship, It could be a work relationship. I've broken that pattern, and then all of a sudden you get into it and you're like, oh gosh, it's just another form of my pattern. It just wasn't obvious

at first. I thought for sure I had it right with this last marriage. Like I was like, oh, like we're on the same bait, Like it's like totally different. Then I'm like, nope, just a disguise. It stealth better. That's almos Like damn it, Like I hate that. Um okay, so everyone watch Don't Sweat the Small Stuff. Um. It's the Christine Carlson story on Lifetime and then by her book Heartbroken Open. It's a page turner, and thank you for Um I'm I'm going to buy it because I

I need to. I need to be on that journey that you're on. So thanks for helping guide the way. Oh my gosh, it's been a pleasure, ladies. Thank you so much for having you. You have such a beautiful energy. I know we're on zoom, but it's just like kidding is like, it's so great. Thank you, Thank you for all you do for everyone out there. Thank you and thank you for all all you do. What a wonderful conversation we had today. Thank you so much. All right, thanks,

happy good morning America too. Okay, I will Oh my god, I love her. You know what broke my heart in that though? I mean it was an amazing interview. She's incredible, but like I felt a little piece of, like well, a sadness, like because she loved her husband so much, and I'm like, and but then I felt a little tinge of like I want to feel that, Like what's that like, you know, like just like being so madly

like uh and then losing that. I'm like, what, Like that's just like people don't get that and then you lose it, like how I would just be devastated. I wonder what it was like though before she lost him, Like if she appreciated that every day I was. It's hard when someone's had such grief to know what's appropriate

to ask what's not. I know she talks about this all the time, but just you know, I feel like we get in relationships, we get comfortable, and we forgot, we forget to say like I appreciate you or this is what I love and I don't know, and it's hard. She was married to say twenty years. No, I think she's like total. Yeah, so that's a long time. That is. That's such a good point though, and sometimes you feel

like the magic is going in and out. And of course, like when he was gone, she was like that was everything. But yeah, I would love to know. Oh man, By the way, Tori gave me this like is it burning? I have Like I think I put too much on because I was like I don't really feel it, and then I just kept rolling. It's like this like cryoh what is it? Cryoderm it's a painstick. It's by the way, no, it's like mental. Anyone that knows me knows it's the

story of my life. Um yeah, I like literally put it on my temples, my neck like I've got like Antarctica, like on the back of my neck. It's so cold. Yeah. The worst is in past experiences I've been using it forever that you put it on forget and then someone goes into a nuzzle you or kiss you and they're like, my eyes, oh god, if you ever have you ever

got how the pens and then touched your eyes. I thought you were going to say something else well, but also like and then also touched your vagina because let me tell you what. I thought you were going to say something else somebody else's I don't know. And that's where my mind went hamsy. I don't know why, sorry, but yes it hurts. Yeah, And then I'm googling, like how do you like get it's like poor milk and pouring milk on my vagina, like it's like convigorating. That's

good for East confections too, by the way, milk Yeah? Wait, am I wrong? Day? Make that up? Easton? Can you please google? What's good for East? Infections? Are bladder infections? Why is why is this your computer? Oh? Man? I love that you. I saw a article you did about you were in a verbally abusive relationship. I was so I felt Okay, here's the hard part. I did a post for Luke Perry. It was his birthday, no thing,

and I still want people tell me they're sorry. I'm like, I get really guilty, like no, not me, sorry for his family, like but also it's we're talking like self worth. It's the same thing, like even things like that, I'm like, no, no, um, but yeah, when he passed away, I felt this thing like is it shaming or do I feel guilty? Like being I didn't want to bring attention to me. It was about him, so I didn't post stuff, and you know, he's been gone for a while now, and it just

I felt the need to put it out there. I don't know that was my truth, and I never said it, and I was just like I'm missing him today and his energy, and I just wanted to put it there. And then I felt bad afterwards because I saw like some castmates just had like a short thing and I was like, and I saw like I got picked up everywhere,

and I was like, ah, that's not what I meant. Like, I just wanted to tell everyone how great he was to me and he was family to me, and that was your you know, right, because sometimes when we post stuff, it's for us, even the millions of people are saying it. Yeah, because I had posted there's one thing that was for my song. But I was like, I talked about being an abusive relationship to your song by the way, thank you, but your sweep. But then my head out and I'm like,

I didn't do this to get picked up. I didn't do my dad. And then I get you know, my X was upset with me, like that wasn't about you. It was. It was about my like experiences with like relationships, and like it's such like a when you when you want to post something because it's on your heart, you're not looking for the for us weekly to pick it up. You're looking it's because it's that's he meant something to

you and he was family to you. And yeah, and I waited a while, and you know, people would always have the hashtag, you know, our R. I p like rest in peace, and I was like, I can't never do that. And then it's been a while and I'm just like I'm feeling it. But yes, I was in a verbally abusive relationship when I was nineteen, and that was It's interesting because as hard as it is on you, you don't know when you're young that it's so hard on everyone else. And yeah, Luke hated him and was

very protective. And at my parents Christmas Eve party one year, he was there and he was just like I saw this ex boyfriend and they got into it and he tried to punch him and like Je's Hebbestly had to pull him off. It was like it was one of those epic stories. You're like, WHOA looking back, like that's crazy, but um. Yeah, after that, Luke and I worked together every day but didn't talk for a while because I was I was nineteen, and I was just like mad.

I was mad at him. I was mad at him because I was like, sometimes when friends stick up for you, you feel like, well, but then you go home and I go home with this person and I have to take them taking what they experienced with you regarding me

out on me. Does that make sense? Totally does? So? Yeah, I had to go home with like, oh, so your friend did that at your parents house and I was nineteen, so I was mad at him instead of realizing and hindsight, it was like this guy loved me and he was like I don't care, like I'm gonna go to bat for her, and he was a great friend. You know what's interesting about that is um and that my abuser same age. It was nineteen and I just moved out to l A and even like the relationships since then

that have been verbally or physically abusive. When I eventually tell my friends, they're like, that's not normal, and I'm like, it's not And that's like that reaction, like it's not like the fact that we think that's normal in that moment.

And sometimes I'm like, well, I mean I was kind of like bitchy or like and then I'm like making excuses for the person that doesn't deserve it, like all of a sudden, Yeah, you become defensive on their behalf when they did it to you all the Yeah, it's just so interesting and it's so sad because I'm like if if and then I put myself and remember my friends too, they're like, you got to start putting yourself and like if your daughter was in the situation, how

would you react? And then I'm like, oh, come on, don't don't bring my daughter into this. They're like no, I'm serious, Like what would you say to her? And I would say that's not right, like he should never say that. You should never put you no matter what. And it's like, but yet I can't tell myself that. You can't tell yourself that. It's such an interesting it's it's sad. I'm glad you said that because people I always see people talk about like don't behave in life?

How you you know, if you don't want your kids behaving that way, like be the example, many different things, and it's like it's not always that easy to do, like, of course we can be strong moms and tell our daughters this is what I hope you do. But they're going to make their own decisions and they're gonna make mistakes like like we did, and I don't know, and it's not easy to change, Like it's a behavior that it's like, great, I don't want my daughter to be

treated like this when she's older. But I'm still enduring it because it's it's what we think we deserve, it's what we think are worth is and like because it was ingrained in us at a young age and then we you know, that's just it's and it's so not true nor right, and yeah, that's why I'm like, I love kind of what she said with Christine was she was saying, like you finding yourself and choosing you going on that journey where I'm like, God, I hope I

go right, because go on the other way it sucks. I've never chosen me in any circumstance of life. When it's hard now to choose you when you have got five kids and you know, like your empire and it's it's it's it's hard, but it's like at the end of the day, Like when I go back to my kids, Okay, if if choosing me is going to be the best version for my kids, So it is not selfish for us to choose us even though we go to well you're like oh no, no, no, like no, no, I'm good.

I'm good when you're like starving, you know. I mean I wouldn't be mad at that for myself. But yeah, I'm still trying to lose the babyweight. And but hey, look it, you look incredible. It's a process that's a

hard one to like. It's it's really difficult. Like I say to people all the time, like, oh, I'm you know, still working on losing way eight and they're like, but you look great, and it's but the thing is, and I'm not like taking anything about what you just said, but like when you're used to your body a certain way your whole life, and then it does radically change and people and it's a hard thing to say because then people are like, oh, I wish my body looked

like that after five are always all individual and my body is different after five. And you know, isn't an honor that I created them and gave birth to them. Yes, I still want my body back. That's why people would give me, give me crap about like my boob job or whatever. I'm like, you know what, like, that's what I want to do because I want my body to look the way that I want my body to look like, and like it they weren't. Yeah, I'm like it's and then the people are like, oh, but you look great.

They look great before, and I'm like, cool, but I need advice on that. By the way, minor, because they're expired and recalled. Oh, I mean, hey, what do you want them? Do you want new? Okay? I mean I loved I mean, I know you're like Beverly Hills, so it's you could have any amazing doctor. But doctor Younger in Nashville, Paula A. Duel went to him. Really, He's like he's incredible, He's amazing. I love him, and he got me. He was like, you know, I was like,

I don't want too big. I want them to look natural. But like I think, when I redo them, I my god, did it there because they're fun. See. No one told me when I got mine done that in ten years you would have to get them redone. Well, they they're ones now. They say, like, I mean always talk to your doctor. Don't listen to wine down because I'm not a king doctor. Sorry Eastern um. But like he was like,

you know, fifteen, maybe twenty. Okay, I'm a twenty though, and I don't think when I got mine put in like no, they had the ones no natral us, natral and plants and they're really good. Um. But yeah, I mean again, at the end of the day, like I get it. I still people like will be oh, look, I'm like, well, i'd like like to like I'll never always have a little piece of belly, but people are like, oh, my friends like, don't complain about that, Like, but again,

it's my body. I know what it looks like. I would know what I wanted to look like, and we can just be like, well, I still love you. I think you're amazing. See. I need to get to that point where I'm okay saying like, okay, that's your opinion. But I'm not there yet. Like I'm still like when people say things, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, where does it sories? Like my lifeline, where does that come from?

You think, like does childhood stuff or just like not feeling like you I think childhood two things childhood and my parents. I never saw them argue, um, which I think is a problem too. I do too, because every time you agree to an argument, then it's like, oh my god, we must be over and it's done and

it's doomed for days. Right, And they loved each other, but you know, growing up, you would realize like that was passive aggressive, Like you would hear it and I would be like, I wish they would just argue, or like they would just like silent, and then like and as I got older, I would ask my mom like, did you guys have an argument behind closed doors? She's like no, And I'm like that probably wasn't good for you guys, and I don't want to do that. But

I grew up being very passive aggressive. And I think just being Aaron Spelling's daughter and a producer, people already assumed, like before I entered a room, like she's going to be a bit, like she's going to be entitled so and I mean to this day, I just worked on something recently and they were like, you're so lovely, like we thought. I was like, why wouldn't I be well, because you're Aaron Spelling's daughter, because you're on nine two. I was like, no, but I carry it with me.

I'm harder myself. So because of that, I like dim my light to please everybody because God forbid, they think I'm like not nice, but I am nice, so that should be enough. But I go above and beyond at

the detriment of myself. That's a lot of pressure too, and like a lot of energy to just to have to put on like it is you You're so sweet, like I know that, but like to even have to put on like it's like God, like can I just like why do I have to feel like I have to prove them and I this person when I am a nice person, right, But I'm still doing it. I still feel the need to do and it's exhausting. Yeah, Like five kids is nothing like the pressure I put

on myself is worse. So what do we do to? Like, I don't know what do we do? We do? I don't know, we'll do this together, I don't know. Just butter three and three out that's what I usually do. Um Okay, now is the time two pimp everything that the Tori spelling is doing. Nano two and oh my gosh, oh my gosh, did you say nine O two and I want to do that. Um, it's funny podcasts that you guys do. It's fun. It's crazy. Um, because we've

never watched the show back. I think I watched more than Jen has because the dv AR would pull up like nine O two one oh, because it has my name in there, so anything I do, and then it'd be like countless episodes of nine O two and oh. So I think I stopped watching when like one of my kids they're older now, the older ones were like, who's that and they would be like, there's Jenny, there's Iron, Where's where are you? And I'm like, I'm right there.

When I tell this story, people are like, oh, when you had like dark hair, I was like, nope, I was blond. They still didn't know it was me. But I felt bad that I've always wanted you and Brian Auston Green to like secretly to be married. No, I probably on some secret level wanted it too, Like I don't know I was. I'm always like they're going to get back together, and I'm like it's like it's I don't know, It's like it's like a it's my Courtney

and um Scott, Like I I not Courtney. Um yeah, Courtney and Scott, like I still want them to get back together. I'm the same way, And I feel ashamed saying that. Why because he was terrible. Oh my god, you're gonna get me all riled up because he's can you really terrible to her? But yet I love them because I want him to change and I wanted to be good. I think he has. I really truly am the biggest Courtney and Scott advocate. Um meet, wait, like I am too, And I'm always just like, can you

all just please? Like I just like I see she still loves him. He's still obsessed with her, Like you can just see it. You think she still is in love with him. I don't know what. I just wish the way she acts now she had done with Scott because I feel like she I mean, I know he was a whole lot of horrible to her, but she was very She played a part. Two. We all play

a part in every book. This is all from seeing it on TVs, like what actually happened, but like, yeah, big advocate for them, big advocate for you and Brian Austin Green. Okay, well we'll still see it out into either of those ever work out at third What is it they niverse? Ethernet? I don't know. Is that a cool fancy way of saying the Internet? I know it was smart for me. Universe Oh you mean Internet? Oh I mean Internet. I mean like the universe and the

ether ether ether, that's it. So Ethernet is Internet, guys. This is when. Yeah, okay, okay, so go what are we What are we doing? What are we working on? The podcast? Letting you that under the rag? No? Um? Okay? So no two one, OMG. I have a show on MTV called Messiness. Um. We just filmed our second season and it's really fun because I get to be no like I've always been toned down like I have. I have like for everyone loves Donna, Donna is me. That

was like me to a core. But I also have like a really like dirty sense of humor and I t am I like I talked too much about up and yeah there's that side. So but you know, in the public eye, like you're always told to not do that, like keep it this way. And I was just in Malta for a month filming a show that I can't about yet, but I'll be excited. Um okay, so when Pete look at me, I'm gonna be too honest, like so when people ask me, I literally I can't lie

to you. Like Malta was great, but from what I saw, I made it look amazing on Instagram. I literally was working like nineteen hour days. I saw my bed which was super comfy at the Weston, and then I would get picked up and taken to set, which was not near the ocean. It was like Survivor. So then why film Dusty? I don't know, you know what I mean, Like, you know, they do a lot of shows in Malta.

Interesting and um originally it was a UK show that's being done for the US and and their partners, so it's also simultaneously going to launch like the UK version and the US version, and so the crew was all from the UK because I actually didn't know where Malta is. I didn't either. When I got offered it, I was like, she wait, what's that. It's a country in Europe, so it's its own little country it is. It's an island. I honestly thought I was in Italy or like, it's

on the coast, its own. You can take like an hour ferry from Malta and get to sicily beautiful. I heard it was a friend went with me and she didn't have to work, so she got to go and she said it was incredible. But yeah, I never even got to take my toes in the sea. What. Yeah, that's beautiful. Look at look at she missed? So from my hotel room, I could see that view. Yeah, I heard the water was really warm, so I'll have to go back. So that's a hard working MoMA right there.

You know, she doesn't even spend extra time to go dip her toes in the water because she has to get back home to her baby's go to the MLFI coast for three days, okay right afterwards? Yeah I want to do that, You're like, well, actually I did. I actually did, which was exhausting because because I was so tired, I just wanted to like sit by pool or a beach. But we were like exciting and shopping and eating and yeah, I love it. Well, thank you for being my co

host today. Can we do a part two like later down the road? Yeah, of course, any time I actually want to come to Nashville, Um, please come. I it's yeah in my dream to come for a long time. All right, we'll wind down next. Thanks Toory Bye.