Small Victories

Do you know what I mean for this to happen. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can see it. I can see it from that perspective. I mean, but then also like my other girlfriends are like, well, like when you're ready, and I'm just like I like, oh my gosh. Um. I mean I even my doctor and I joke about it. He's like, well, I gave you a great divorce body, and I'm like, well, that's not like why I want like, oh my god. Um, but no, I'm the I I

don't know. It's something in a weird way. It's kind of like, well that's kind of cool because I was always embarrassed, you know, So now if if and when I venture out onto the scene, I might have a little bit more you know confidence. I guess, I don't know. I saw the picture. I shot it alike, I double tapped, just as as your co worker, as a as you're just you look great, just very I'm looking very respectfully.

Just wanted to bring that home. I just, honestly, I just I wanted to do it because look, either way, either if I had my you know, the mom boobs or you know the implants, I want to feel and I want people to feel good no matter what, like however that looks, however that makes you feel. And truly, I was just doing it for myself because I just

I don't know, I just I really wanted. Um, it's something that I wanted for me, and I think it's you know, a lot of people like you should just be proud of the body that you have, regardless, and I was, like, I am very proud of it. But I also like I wanted to do something for me as well, And I think that's okay to be able to do something for yourself. Just like I work out, I work out for myself. I don't work out for

anyone else. I don't work out to like, you know, compete with this person's legs or do this, like I work out because I want to work out. And that's kind of the same thing that I felt like with getting the breast augmentation. I was like, okay, like I want this for me, not for my then X or the next guy. I don't know, so even weird, like thinking about that Jesus. Yeah. No, that's something my wife talks about all the time. Is because there's a lot of like weird dudes that are always like, why do

women do you know, get their boottox and stuff? But it's not about that. It's about what, like what you want and how you want to look. It's your body. It's uh, you know, it's I don't know, I just don't see any problem with it if that's what if that's what someone wants to do. Yeah, I agree, and I think it's I think right now though, and I love that we're in the age of you know, loving

your body for the way that it is. But I also think it's okay if the person wants to work out a ton, or if the person wants to you know, get fake boobs, are gonna knows, like whatever it is, to make yourself feel better. I think that's like I just want, I wish. And I've been so thankful for the people on Instagram because I think people are just wanting to celebrate people for whatever they want to do.

And I love that. It's exactly great. You want to get a boob job, get a boob job, you want to know, like whatever you don't awesome, like whatever makes you happy at the end of the day. But I have a little confession to make, um because a lot of people on here, well, no, it's not that jezy, it's like a good, healthy, juicy Um, I'm ready. I talked a lot about this on this podcast about anxiety, Like I've suffered from anxiety for a very very long time, and I I would always wake up, and I know

I've said this on here. I'd always wake up at three o'clock in the morning and have like the worst anxiety ever. And that came from the PTSD of my first abusive relationship. And when you know, Mike and I, even though it's not final, but divorce, just say divorced, like broke up, divorce, whatever. Um. My biggest fear is has, has and always will be. I don't want to be alone,

Like I'm afraid of being alone. And like even before Mike, like I was always like afraid of being alone, and so I would even have like my girlfriend Pamelin, who came on here um a few weeks ago as a guest, and I was like, hey, girl, can you just leave your phone on? Because this is like this is going to be the hardest season for me. Is because I struggle with being alone. I don't like it. I wake up with anxiety and I gotta tell you, so, I still wake up in the middle of the night, but

I don't have anxiety anymore, I know. And I told my therapist. I just got the phone with her and I was telling her and I was like, it's the craziest thing. I'm like, usually like and I just got back from NAPA for you know, for my one brick wines, and I was like, usually I have anxiety when I travel, I have anxiety when I do this or like that. And I'm like, since exiting this relationship, I don't have any more anxiety. Like I'm sure it's maybe there, but

like not it would have. It's just the craziest thing. And She's like because and she was saying She's like, because you had so much fear and doubt and it was just dragging you under that now that it's not you don't have to hold any of that anymore. It's like, you don't you don't realize the stuff that your body is going through when you're in that heaviness of of everything going on. And it was like, it's been like the craziest revelation, Like holy crap, like what was holding

holding me down? And I was and it's it's like I genuinely like almost started crying last night because I was like, I don't have any anxiety and this is it's just weird. It's like so I just I wanted to say that because I think when people go through hard times because I'm I'm still like in the thick of it, I still have you know, still crying in the car and you know, crying at night. But I

think it's important to celebrate little victories. And that's been and to me, that's a huge victory to feel that wait of anxiety lifted off of me. That's something that I've dealt with my entire life, and it was the worst when I was in the relationship with Mike. It just was. I mean, I I would have the worst panic attacks and now it's like when I usually would it's I don't know, it's so it's I don't know.

I just want to like tell people that, you know what, sometimes you might not even realize what's dragging you under until you're out that And it's one of those things that because I'm sure, like I mean, so much second guessing with with something like this, you know, but but when something like this happens, you have that kind of revelations like Okay, I'm on the right path, I'm doing

the right thing. Yeah, it's yeah, totally. It's a kind of reassurance like, Okay, there was definitely something that must have been it was obviously triggering me, although like all the heaviness and the stuff and the doubt and the fear, like obviously that was causing my anxiety to be really bad.

And so the fact that it's literally gone and I don't have like that anymore just kind of shows you, like, Okay, this is this was the right step and I am getting I'm I feel healthier, and I think it's you know, that's why I wanted to share it because there's so many people that have deemed me and they're like how, like how did you? Like, I'm stuck and I don't know how to get out, and it's and I did not feel this on day one. Day one, I was literally on the ground having a panic attack. I told

my best friend Catherine, who slept over. I was like, I can't take my kids to school. She's like, yes, you can. You need to get up, and I was like, no, I'm gonna have a panic attack, Like I'm gonna like She's like, you need to get up and do it. Stop saying you're not. She's like, I'm gonna tough love you right now. She's like I will stay here until your house till you get back, but like you are taking your kids to school. You're getting off of the floor.

And I'm so thankful she did that because if not, I probably would have stayed in that anxious state and then like, oh, I can't do that because I'm too afraid. Now it's like no, like I'm doing it and now nothing's holding me back and I'm not waking up in the middle of night. So I'm like, little teeny victories.

I need to celebrate. It makes me so happy. I'm just and everyone listening you like you'll, I hope hopefully you guys feel those and celebrate the little victories along the way, because it's important to know how far you will come when you go through anything, whether it's a job loss, whether it's you know, relationship ending, like, whether it's it's like just baby steps, and celebrate, celebrate those moments that you have a little bit of peace and

a little less anxiety. Uh. So today I'm excited because I have a guest co host and he is someone that I semi worked with. UM. We were on a little dancing show together, and he's kind of been in and out of the tabloids recently, so UM pumped to co host with him, and I will bring him on the show UM after the break. Okay, So I am so honored to have um a guest co host today and that would be none other than the one and only Kio. What's it? Yes? There are you? Yeah? Yeah,

I'm complained. How are you doing? You know that's a loaded question, but today I'm really good. I'm I'm happy. UM, I'm feeling light and UM you know, yeah, I'm just I'm happy to be here with you. So thanks for coming on. Wine down and co hosting with me. I really appreciate it. So for those of you um listening, Kio is one of the amazing professional dancers on Dancing

with the Stars. And I had the privilege of being able to meet Kyo on my season, and I will say this, you were by far the nicest, friendliest, most welcoming pro on the show. And it just well, and I think you because you were you pro that season. I think it was the next year, but like I just remember like we because we had like dance together, or like you were helping, like you were just like so nice, and I just I just I always appreciated

like your kindness. So yeah, because I felt like I always feel like Dancing with the Stars such a family. So who ever comes into the family, I always say, all the celebs coming into the season, it's like they come into our Christmas dinner every night, you know. So it's like you want to make people feel at home, you know, because we all make Dancing with the Star, the celebs, the pros, the producers, like we all make the show. So I feel I feel like we need

to make you guys feel at home and comfortable. Whatever you need, we got you. You know. That's why they say the pros are like, you know everything pretty much. You know. So you when did you start dancing? I started dancing when I was five years old, and I thought it was bom dancing. So I've been doing that since. And where did your were you in in South Africa then or South Africa? When did you move to the States.

I moved to the state twenty two thousand and twelve, and I went to Florida at first, because I did I did a show called burned the Floor for yeah in Campa Florida, Bush Guidence, Oh my god. And then I traveled them around the world. And then twenty fourteen I came on Dancing Starts in August. That's awesome. Nine. So how did you What was it like for you, you know, living in South Africa being a five year old and wanting to do ballroom dancing. Well, it didn't

start with me just going to ballroom dancing. I think I just grew up watching Michael Jackson a lot. And there was a show in so that we're called the Summit. The Summit followed Top Ballroom Cup bo Room Dancer Couples. Yeah, in South Africa. So I used to watch it on tiv I just fell in love with like music and dance, and like see Michael Jackson dance all the time, and I was like, man, I can do this, you know. And yeah, and then I just fell in love with

with dancing. I remember playing soccer with all my friends is like, bro, listen, dancing. I mean, soccer is not for you. I mean, you can play soccer, but it's not for you for sure. I'm gonna take you somewhere. So he took me where my house is like houses down there's a lady who started at dance school. And then he took me there and I remember walking in. I was like, this is gonna be fun. Saw like the guys dakes me the girls, and I was like, yeah, this is gonna be fun. This is why I want

to be And he did it for the girls. No, no, no, it doesn't surprise me that much because you are one of the best flirts out there. So no, no, I'm not. I'm not a flirt. I'm not. I'm just that's an okay thing. I you know, that's you know, I'm it just means love, you know, Yeah, I have I have so much love to give. I have so much love to give. I feel like I just exude love inside me. You know, everything that I do, everything that I even talking to my friends or like out there at the

grocery store. I just have so much love to just pull to people. So was it tough at all? Like did you, as a you know, guy in dancing, Like, did you ever get bullied or um? I wouldn't say a good bully because this is how my day went. Like I'll go to school in the morning, I'll stay in school for like another two hours for like what we call study. I went to a Catholic school, so we had like sisters, and we no sports, no extra activities. It was just like school. Study. Study is like a

like an hour and a half away. You know. If you had questions about something like your whatever subject, whatever, you go ask right and then from they go home. When I get home, my mom will say, make sure that your school uniform is clean, make sure that your shoes are clean, make sure that your books are ready for tomorrow, blah blah blah. And then from there, I'll

go to dancing. After dancing, and then I didn't even have time Sometimes I don't have time to play with my friends, like it was just like constant school dancing every day every single day. And then like on Sundays, it's like uh church with my parents and my sisters, and then when we come back home, we eat and it's like a family day. We all sit together, we all chill. There's no you know, like there's not like busitors coming over. And one funny story, actually my mom

talking about girls. My mom never wanted any girl to come to my house. Never. I really remember when girl came to my house. You just like to bring something from me from school. And then she said, don't even touch that that gate. And I was like, she goes, You'll only be able to do that when you out of my house, and I was like, okay, right enow Um. In a way, I think it helped in a way

in situation, and we'll get into that. But well, speaking of you know, relationships, you were just in a very public breakup and you know, I can I can definitely relate, and I'm curious, like how you dealt with the public. You know, it's it's tough, Like I reading tabloids and you know, not a part of me like wanted to reach out to you, but I knew that you were like probably getting bombarded, um, and you have to like

walk through that season. But I mean that's that's been your first pretty public relationship, right, yeah, my first How how was it for you to deal with you know, reading things and um, I feel like the first few days, I like, I would read things and I'll be like, you know, what what does this do for me? Like what is it doing for me for myself? Like reading this?

Like I go, I feel when I read something negative and I feel like this like cringe in me and I'm like and then I read something positive and I'm like, oh my god, like the change of energy, the change of the shoot right, yeah, different heads. So I go, what if I don't read anything, then I'm like, don't look at anything, just block yourself from that everything, right, And just my faith and talking to my aunt all the time and my family back home and my good

friend um and my publicist all the time. It just gave me so much strength. And talking to other other friends and it just gave me strength to stay away and to know my worth and what as a person, what do finds me that this define me? Whether good or bad? It doesn't define me? And no, it doesn't, you know, the person we defines me is what I believe who who quire is right? If if people say, oh, he's a cheater, he's this and this and this, I'm like, but no, you don't. You don't know me, So why

do you Why why do you say what? You just say? You know what I mean? So I feel like not, I feel like actually I know that for me, what got me through it was just staying away from the media, keeping my my silence and staying away from everything and just be like, you know what, God will sort this out. Man, He's done so many times in my life in so many situation, whether good or bad. I leave it out to him. You know. I prayed a lot. I prayed a lot. I yeah, you know, I think God pulled

me through. I am confident enough to say that God put me through this. Yeah. Do you have any do you have any regrets from anything in that relationship that they You're like, I'm gonna do this differently in the next one. Um, No, No, I don't, I don't. I just I just there's just so many things for me. I I said, I have this thing ritual if I'm if I break up with a friend, you know, just hold me or like a best or whatever I go through.

I have a seat outside in a bout. When I sit down and let's take a pen and a book or a paper whatever. There's two columns in there's two columns negative or positive. Right, And I write everything that I feel that's it doesn't do do me justice, it doesn't make me feel this is worth it for me? Right, And I write something that I'm like, oh my God, okay, cool.

So then if negative is more than the positive, then I'll scratch that and I'll light a fire and I let God like and I have this straight I think I take it from my mom. Actually, I have the strength of when I let go of something done like it's like it never happened. It's like cut never happened. It's like I'm like sometimes I'm like, wow, I don't have that feeling because when something happens, I give it a chance. I'm like, how can I fight? How can

I fight? In which way? Like, let me fight, let me do this, let me let me figure it out, you know. But if there's no strength in me to do that, and with the with the with the help of God, I I just let go. I literally let go. I just and I think that's one of my strength that I can let go. I can deal with it and let go. But this was rough. Why I say that because like the person I turned to when things

hit the firm, it's my mom. And not having her it was like and now, like there was days with my house where I looked at the walls and there was pitch black, not even joking, and I remember just like, no, you know what, I got this. I got this, and and I spoke to my friends for a little bit and then I just stayed silent literally just like working out, working out twice a day and like working out twitter day, um see my therapist, and like it was just talking

to my family a lot. Then it was that, yeah, this was right because I had It's not just a breakup, it's a public breakup, you know what I mean. So everyone has an opinion, you know, which I'm like, don't talk to me if you don't know the story, you know what I mean. So I'm like, don't say anything, let me just you know. But then I had to grieve my like my mom, you know what I mean. So it was it was it was rough. It was rough,

you know. So but now I'm in a place where I am I'm flying like a bird, you know, and I'm still still grieving obviously. Um yeah, is there any chance for reconciliation. I'm leaving it to the universe. That's good. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I can't imagine, like, you know, she was your rock, and I can't imagine you know, going through that and then having you know, not being able to talk to her. I'm I'm really sorry about that. Yeah. It's like waking up in the

when I'm like, oh, yeah that. I like what you said though about because I feel like other um men that I know, or I don't mean to say it like that, I like a dig, but I feel like

a lot of men they don't deal with it. They just kind of go on to the next thing, or they just um you know, they're they'll instead of really like grieving it and dealing with it, like they're a little just go golfing or do this or like just like and it's like you, I feel like what you said is so truely you have to deal with it in order like in order to move on. And I think that's huge for you know you as a man,

just too because I don't. And I'm not like, I'm not trying to say all men do one or the other, but I feel like a lot of times they don't feel their emotions until later. We're until but I don't know. Again, I'm not a man. But that's just what I've seen in my um history of I've heard there's a lot people like date again because you're gonna forget about them, Like, no, why, I'm like, I need to deal with this feeling. I need to deal with I need to face this like

a man and understand. Then, Yo, what what does like? Because it's making me stronger or even better for the for the person who I'm gonna be with next. You know what I mean? So you have to do I heard something on on on Listen to a motivational speaker, and they said, embrace your flaws, embrace your heartbreaks even as much as we embrace the good times, where yeah, I want the show amazing. Hey, friends, let's gonna have

fun because we're embracing so much. Embrace those moments when you fall down the floor, Embrace them because that's teaching you something. I've learned so much about myself and this whole process of finding the the deeper side of kio, you know, the inner the more like the yeah, yeah it's the right thing to say, Yeah, the deeper kio. I found that, Like, I found that. And I've always wanted people to make other people happy. I'm always I'm

that kid. I've always grew up wanting everyone to be happy, wanting to this and this and this. And I turned around and go, what about you? What about you? Like? Are you making yourself happy? Are you? Yeah? So I just I had to just look at myself in the mirror, you know, and ask myself questions, what do you say

to the men out there? And like these kind of situations like what do you think the best advice that you can give two men and women but that you've kind of found your peace with with your break up. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say men and women because as soon as you start saying that, it makes it makes a guy have like a chip on their shoulder like, no,

I'm a guy, I'm strong, blah blah blah. Right, and a woman has to feel over the fields, right, And I think every person going through the break up, how just just face it with you with with your forehead, man, face it with your two eyes. Face it, because if you don't face it right now when you're going through that,

it's gonna hunt you. Because it's gonna hunt you when you meet the person, when you meet that person that God has for you, it's gonna be so many struggles on your side, not on her side, on your side, and you're gonna blame it on her, which is or vice versa, which is not. I feel like sometimes it's not a right thing to do. So face it, face it deep down, and it's just I Yeah, I'm facing it, man, I'm facing it like straight ahead. So keyo, two point oh.

For the next relationship, what so what what's one thing that you're going to not bring into the next relationship, something that you're like for me, you know, if I get the chance to be able to have the next relationship, I think something that I didn't really like about myself in the last relationship is that I can be passive. Now. I don't know if that passiveness was because of the situation in a relationship or whatever, but it was still a quality that I brought in that I didn't like

about myself. So you know, I'm doing the work to to work on that. So what is what is something that you're like, Okay, this is a character defect that you know you don't need to shame yourself for, but also like you know, you want to work on follow my instinct and also be truthful to myself. You know.

It goes back to that that thing I just said, Like you sometimes you think, I feel like you, you always want to make people happy, and you also lose yourself in the situation in trying to do extra things this and this, and sometimes it begs fires on you. You go think, but I can. I've just been honest with myself and like, don't do that, you know what I mean? So I think it's being honest with myself.

Is it also being honest with others too? Do you think guys have a hard time being honest with relationships and the people because maybe they're like trying to cover up their own insecurities not don't things. So it's I don't.

I don't think we have mann just honest being No, I'm not like everyone in general, like you know, like, yeah, I know, I'm not just like labeling man, I'm just sit saying like you know, because I'm have I lied sure in the past, I've lied, you know, but it's to cover up, you know, my own And now, like I just said, that's like my I hate that quality. So I don't do that anymore because it's like it only affects. It doesn't just affect me, affects everybody around

me when you do that lie. But you see, that's what I'm saying. If you, first of all, you lied to yourself, because before it even hits other people, you lie to this person. So if you're gonna lie to this person, that those people won't be affected, you know. So that's why I say it's being honest with me, because if you're honest with yourself, this won't be affected regardless, regardless. If that's everything starts with you. How you're gonna love someone,

It's how you love yourself. Let's that's the bottom line. It's how you're gonna make someone smile. It's how you

make yourself smile. Yeah, no, it's it's so interesting like when you say that, because I think, you know what, I think back to the times that I have lied in in past relationships, You're like there was something missing in me, and like what, like why was I trying to make myself feel better or like, you know, it's just it's it's kind of sad in a way too, because it's not it's not the truth and be it's like I have more love for myself to not lie

and be like I'm yeah, that's a massive failure, but like, hey, that makes me who I am. But instead of been like, oh yeah, no, that never happened. You see, that's what it's. It's it has nothing to do with other people. And I say this strongly, it has nothing to do with other people. However people take it me. I wouldn't anyway. Yeah, okay, so yeah, go ahead, we're gonna say no, I just I just saying, like how I said, it's just that be real with this person. That's it and everything will

be fine. You know. I was reading some of the notes before, and I was actually shocked when I was reading some of it, because okay, here we go. No, you you like called someone out for being the worst partner. And I swear like if I if Glev said that I was the worst partner, I would like crawl into a hole and cry. Okay, let me let me just let me just clarify that I never said that they asked me who was the worst partner on the show. Then I said, I said, oh my god, I remember

season season something when I danced to sugar Con. I have to like, it was just a tough season. Never said, never said that my worst partner. I just said it was a tough season, you know, and like, but because I had a video of me explaining it, I didn't if you have to defend myself because I'm like, I know what I said, so I didn't need So when

I saw that, I was like wow. I was like, wow, you see the met is what the media does now Now I laugh at things like as long as I know the truth done, I'm like, okay, I don't you know, because leaving glad glab com is like bro I said, no, I did it. He goes and he listened to the video and he goes, oh okay. He's like, you didn't say that. I said yeah. But he's like, but you see how the media takes it. I'm like, yeah, the video is there, so whoever wants to see the video,

they'll see it and they'll see the truth. I'm not defend myself. Why do I defend myself? Like this world, I know that's that's crazy. If there is there one partner that you wish that you had that someone else had, you don't have to say any don't worry. Yeah, but you know, we spoke about this. I know it would have been fun the first day we met, the first day we met. Sorry, Glad, we love you. But yeah, Glad, we love you. But Keo was able to do the

left that you can do. Oh man, yeah, yeah, did you so when it's start to come back right, yes, And do you know anything? Like are you are you going to be a pro what's going on? We know nothing nothing when you listen, we know how you guys find out on like when you see the outlets like oh this person maybe in the show. That's how we know. That's how we find out. You know, it's not like oh, we get an email from the producers. Hey there's the list of celebrities. Then you can go. You can either

go like, oh I see myself with that person. No, they'll give you to this one. That's that's not part. And then like every time we fought, we like we have a good chat. We always get it right. Really, like you kind of know who your partner is without even knowing you can't know your partner's like that you opened the door like, yep, I was right, you know? So did you wish you had like Krishaw last year? Like were you a little were a little envious? And the club? I need a drink, Susie, can I please?

Jenns asking me hard questions right now and I'm blushing? What the hell? Um? Yeah, I mean how could you not? You know? I mean, you guys ended up, you know, falling in love, and how could you not? So, yeah, that could have been you know, you look at like the artem and Nikki, so it's like that kind of that would have been fun for y'all. But it played out how it was supposed to. But yeah, I could see see the universe at the universe. I feel like

sometimes if you sometimes it works something it doesn't, you know. No, I was gonna work. I want to show with my partners. I'm not like, um still I don't know. Yeah at them? Yeah. Oh you don't yell like Gleb does he? Oh? Yes, he yells. I yelled into I. You see, we're all different. I yelled to motivate, you know, I yelled to lift you like because I don't know how to yell. But I just yelled to lift you, to motivate you to think like you you're the best, which you are in

your in your own world, you know what I mean? So, and I should I shouldn't say glad yelt He was just like he was angry. He was a little angry Russian at me speaking of you in Gleb. Are you guys teaching dance lessons? Yeah? Okay, so how can I because I forgot everything Glab taught me? So how can can people like that are listening actually do a dance class? Or is it in person only? It's in person only because it's like the whole thing is like a Latin flavor,

Latin infusion. It's more of an experience than actually, like let's do it online, you know what I mean? Because online you want to be there. Like there's something about being on that rooftop looking at the ocean and dancing in the morning. That's just that feeling I call it. I tell him all the time, like it's literally having a party for one hour where you let go get about everything else, have a party for one hour and then have your green green smoothie and go home. I

love it so what's next, what's next for you? Like, what do you what are you doing? What do you want to do? What are you putting out into the universe a universe? Acting? I think I want to want to be on Broadway. Broadway is Broadway is my my number one goal? Oh, I see it, I see it. I feel that, sir. It's like I want to see like whatever shows like if I did you to show the Lion King starring King on What's outside the theater?

My heart? Yeah, I love that. Well everyone, let's put that on that out into universe for you and you know, dream it and I would love to. Yeah, acting, I think sing. I want to sing, but not like have an album or like songs. I want to sing like on the Broadway show or a movie you know. Um, and obviously dancing, you know. But then I want to go into a different world in business, not directing, and

I want to Yeah, life is taking me different rods. Jenda, Well, we're all cheering phor you and um, I'll be out in l A soon, so we should all do a little dancing with the stars lunch reunion. I would love that. I would love to same, all right, Keo. It was great talking to you and um, I'll see you soon, okay, Batman. I think it's good to hear from from guys, especially you know, that are kind of redefining their masculinity. Masculinity can as the right word masculinity. Yeah, sure, Um but

I love Ko. He's always been super sweet, and I think it's you know, some of the things that I took away is just putting things out into the universe and deal with it and just deal with it. Just deal with things you're going through so that way you can, you know, properly grieve. And then I think another thing is just be honest with yourself, because if you're honest with yourself, that means you're going to be honest with people around ju And I think that's definitely the silver

lining and all of it. Um but I love you guys, and let's chat next week.