Wind down with Janet Kramer and i'heart Radio podcast.
So lots of in going on. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
And uh, I don't I'm just gonna let you take the floor.
Would you like to talk about anything or no?
I mean you can ask me questions if you want.
To ask you questions.
Okay, Well, here's just me taking the floor is not going to be okay.
Why am I getting emotional?
Like why oh man?
No?
I am, Well, do you want to talk about it or not?
Yes?
Sure, okay, because I don't want you to. I've always wanted this platform to be about helping other people, and and I think through shared experiences, through my experiences, through you know, Sarah Gretzky's experience is about her miscarriages, or in letting people have a voice to come on here and again just share their experiences, because I think sharing helps in heals but also helps other people.
Sure, and so.
You are very.
I think at first this coming on the podcast, you were not hesitant, but like not as open.
To share absolutely, which is you know.
That's why I was like, girl, you don't have to do this if you don't like, I'm not like, I know, you're my best dam I og, but like, I'm not like forcing you. And I understand that, you know, there is backlash with being open and having your life picked apart, and I see that firsthand. And but I also know from the other side of it, the people that have you know, stopped me or stopped you or you know, and have related. And now people have been relating to
your story. And you know, you've been open about getting married young and some of the challenges in your marriage and and I'm I'm really proud of you, but would you like to share.
Yes, Oh, you're so much better at this now. So we are getting a divorce, you know, it's one of those things we were We have been married for fifteen years, which is long time, got married at twenty three and twenty five. I'm very different than you. You know, I'm very non affectionate. I will own that. I'm you know, it's harder for me to be vulnerable. You know, there's a lot of things that as a woman are harder for me that are normally easier for women. I would say, so,
you know, long story short for us. Yes, we got married young, but there have been issues for years, you know, and the last you know, I'd say, even five years. It's basically we've just you know, we've become roommates, you know, and it's one of those things that we probably would
have stayed roommates forever. I know he would have, but through going to therapy, you know, I mean, that was a big I decided I wanted to go back to therapy and make a decision and figure out what was best for not only me but him and the kids. I mean, and I know that's not for me to say what's best for him, but what I felt like in the end would.
Be better for everybody.
So yeah, so I kinda I mean, we made a decision, you know, and you know, we're just kind of walking through it. It's very new. Just told the kids not too long ago. That was tough. That was real tough.
But as crazy as.
It sounds, we've gotten along really, really, really well. And that's all I've prayed for, Like, I mean, I just wanted this to go smoothly. I want us to get along. I want us to be friends. I mean, we've got three kids that are crazy busy, you know. So we've gotten along really well. He's been super emotional about it, I'll be honest, and that's hard, and I've had my
emotions too. I mean it's not that I haven't. I've definitely had my emotions around it, but I think that I've had more time to really sit with it because I've been trying to make a decision for a while now. And I told him that. So yeah, so that's you know, kind of what we're walking now. And you know, in the end, I feel like it's something that I did for all of us, but it's also really to protect
my mental health and my happiness. And you know, it's sometimes hard to take what seems like a selfish step, you know, to take care of yourself, but I think that that's what needed to be done. So yeah, I mean that's basically.
Well, I just when you were sharing that, I was just like, man, there's gonna be so many women that can relate to that.
I hope.
So it feels very lonely to be that kind of woman, I'll be honest, it really does, because I mean I don't even really have any friends that are that way, you know. I mean it's just and so it's kind of it really is kind of a lonely feeling, you feel like, you know, we always joked for so long, Nick's the girl in the relationship and I'm the guy because I'm just you know, I mean, I am emotional. I definitely cry and am emotional, but it's just harder for me to be vulnerable. And that's a lot of
from growing up in situations growing up. But also I'm realizing, like, you know, I can get there. I just need to work on it and I need to work on myself and I'll get there. And you know, at the end of the day, no one's to blame. I think we both had issues in our marriage and things, but you know, I think in the end, I will I can work through that and kind of get But yeah, I hope that helps people that feel that way, women especially, I
know men feel that way a lot. But you know, and I've had a few people reach out to me, you know, that say that it's like, oh, you know, I feel that way too, and it's I feel like nobody else does. So I do hope that that kind of helps people, and you know, I'm happy to, you know, help that in any way.
I hope that that does.
Help some people that feel that way.
Yeah, I know it will, and you'll, I know, listeners that are relating to this right now will out pour to you and then also and be asked for your advice too, and you can you can become that vessel of helping. It's not about it's not guiding, You're just speaking from your experience. And that's kind of you know where I've always tried to go like this is just my experience and and and that's you're doing the same thing,
and like you're helping people not feel alone. And I also think one of the thing too, that like something you always said to me that it's like you in a way I don't if i'm miss speaking, like please correct me, but like you almost carried shame, like he didn't do like he didn't cheat on me.
He didn't. He's on it like he didn't.
And it's like, I don't think people realize that you don't like there doesn't have to.
Be a like a. It can just be what you're going through it.
I mean, that was the last I don't know how long I've been seeing Amy, but that's what I would tell her all the time. But he didn't do anything wrong. You know. It's like so it's really hard and you know it's again it is a decision I will say
that we've made together. I mean, obviously I don't want I want my kids to feel that, you know, to feel that way, but yeah, I mean it was one of those that's just like you didn't do anything wrong and I love you as a friend, but like it's time, you know, And that's tough that I battled with that for some time and he probably did too, you know. So yeah, I mean that's been a battle for a
very very long time. Granted my you know, my parents were divorced in very similar situation, and you know, she they tried to stay together for the for us for so long, and that's one thing I didn't want to. It's one thing I really struggled with. I'm like, is
this really healthy for them? Like they need to see and we told them that, like you need to see a marriage where your parents are affectionate and your parents Yeah, I mean we've been very open with them, very very and you know it's like and you know, I think they know that deep down that that's what but they haven't seen it. They really truly haven't seen it. So yeah, I mean it was a struggle. But once I made the decision, and you know, it was. I feel as
good as you can about it. I guess that's I don't want to sound insensitive because I know it's it's harder on him. I'll be honest, it is and I don't want to be insensitive to that, but I truly feel like it's going to be what's best for everybody.
Well, we all love you.
I love you, and I'm I'm just I'm really proud of you, just like the work that you've done in the last you know, a couple of years, and I know you made a very not easy decision, and you know, Queendom's here for you. Wind Down, wind Down, Queendom is all. You know that we're all We're all here to support. And I think again, this is just another opportunity to
help people not feel alone. And I think especially with you know, this being Mental health month, and I think so many people internalize things by themselves, which is and then you know they it's it's just not and this is a way to be able to okay, like you're not alone. You are going through things and other people are going through the same thing.
You just might not know.
That right for sure, But I am really proud of you and we're gonna can I like continue to check in on you?
Yeah, You're so sweet, You're so good.
I'm like, wait, I'm supposed to be the one checking on you.
No, girl, I am, I am, I am.
I'm a year out from my divorce and I'm you know I it's now it's all about loving myself because you know, for for me, after my divorce, I was like a man was always something that defined me, like being in a relationship with something that defined me. And now it's like, no, it's it's finding me and healing alone, and like that's been that's been the work that I've had to do. And but no, I mean your days of checking up on me are are done.
For now. We're switching roles here.
And I think you know and I always said and say this to her, and because I've known, you know, obviously this is struggles. And I think you can to ask a friend what do you like?
What do you need?
And how can I support you? Because somebody might not be ready. Like as much as I wanted y'all, of course, I love both of you dearly, and I would have loved y'all's relationship to work. At the same time, I also think y'all deserved, you know, right, other things as well. So it's like, what can I how can I support can because I will support you fighting for this and I'll also support you, you know, being a single mom, and if you can get on my ever other weekends so we can.
Go working on it.
Yeah, no, I mean you've been super supportive and I truly appreciate that, and I do.
I don't.
I know, I couldn't have done it if it wasn't for my friends and Amy. I know that for a fact.
So she's a she's a bestseller.
Yes, well, we love you and we'll we'll circle back around when we have all of more people that come on that can you know, help with that. But sure, everyone go love on some Catherine right now. And uh, this episode is actually sponsored by uber Eats and I don't know about you, but Catherine, we're gonna you know, our our girl Wednesday nights are just going to be wild with and uber eats. We can uh you know, we can order chocolate. We can order uh Kleenex and tissues, and I think we can.
Get stuff for our pool parties because pool parties.
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Have time to get your kids in here, but yes, let's just do this.
We're gonna take a break and then we're going to get on Corinne Fox and talk more about what this month means to her. Hi.
Yeah, it's so nice to see you.
So nice to see you too. I'm Jana.
This is Catherine, my hair is. Nice to meet you, sweetie. I actually saw I saw you. My one girlfriend did beach Sizam Julie.
Oh she did, she did. I didn't realize that she was on the show.
She was on the show.
So yeah, my friend, my friend Julie Solomon. Yeah, and you know, married to my ex John and whatever and so but yeah, it was like, god, how many years was that? It was probably like four years ago because she's literally the girl that was like it can play one chord and she knows it and I'm like, can you play the whole song because I still don't know, like, oh oh no, I mean.
I'm the DJ on the show.
I know, and I remember seeing man.
Admittedly, there are songs where I'm like, I don't know how you could get it this fast because it's actually very hard.
It's so hard.
Yeah, but I remember seeing you and just going, God, she is beautiful. And then what I didn't know at the time was that you know, your dad is Jamie Fox. So I was just like, oh wow, Like that's so cool that you know she's working with her dad, and how cool that one must be. So well, my friend's on the show. I'm kind of just like, you know, and he's like my daughter, and I was like, this is so cool.
That's so random. I cannot believe you know someone who's on the show. I was so curious, like what happens to our contestants because I have fall in love with them. They always have like such great stories, and I'm like, they do such a good job at like vetting these people, and they come in with so much energy and they're so excited. So what a small world.
I know it was.
It was crazy, but I mean, and you're so do you love doing that?
I love doing it. I'm actually right now I'm in Ireland and shooting the fifth season of the show, which is crazy, but it's a blast. And working with my dad is amazing. I mean, I don't know if you have watched multiple episodes, but he just has so much
energy and he's like a big kid. So I'm like parenting him on the show where I'm like, he's doing dance breaks and he doing dances he shouldn't be doing for his age, and I'm always like, hey, let's get back to the show, dad, So we have a really fun relationship that I also think like a lot of fathers and daughters can relate to with me, like iye rolling in him, you know, trying to do like a funny bit and I'm just not having it. So I think a lot of people like to watch us and and can relate.
Sure.
Speaking of Ireland, I was out there last October. I did name that tune and they also filmed that in Ireland.
So yes's and that's the that's the same creator I think of our show.
Okay, yeah, but you need to go Have you gone to the Cliffs of Bling Lower.
Or have you gone I went to Dublin in college for uh okay, so I did go there very hungover. I think I need to go again.
But it's gorgeous, it's so pretty. Yeah.
No, so I took like a day trip and we went there, went to Galway and then I want to go there if it's super cute. It's just like cobblestones and like you just skipping.
Just skipping me married, Yeah, I just like drink some.
Tea and so you did. I read an interview that you wanted to change your last name.
I considered it and I said the interview and then I feel like it just exploded on the internet. But I think I grew up. You know, everyone was always looking at me. They were always interested in the things that I was doing. And when I was going to college, I considered for a brief moment, taking on my mom's last name, just so I could get a fair shot. I always like ruggled with making friends and really feeling like, you know, are they being genuine? Do they want something
for me? Do they just want concert tickets? Do they just want to go to movie premieres? And not that that ever really happened to me, but it's a constant like insecurity and fear, and I think going into college, I thought, well maybe if I, you know, take my mom's last name, you know, people won't know who I am and they'll you know, not want things from me. And I didn't ultimately do that, but it was something
that I did deal with and struggle with. And obviously I've been given so many blessings from my dad's career, but there were some things that were also not so great about it as well.
In a way, do you kind of think, like, like, what are the things that you wish that you that weren't great about it?
You know, not much. I mean, I've been so blessed to be able to do so many great things. And when I was ten years old, I attended the Oscars with my dad when he won his first Oscar, and so it's like you can't really complain. But I think because I was constantly looked at or I felt like people were always keeping an eye on me, I became a bit of a perfectionist and I never wanted to mess up. I never wanted to you know, embarrass my
dad anything that he was putting that on me. It was just me putting it on myself, and I felt like I couldn't really be authentic for a while, until you know, I got older and really found my voice. But for a while, I really struggled with not wanting to mess up, and I didn't really give myself the grace to be a human. And I think children of
celebrities kind of go one of two ways. Either you become you know, the crazy party kid that you read about all the time, or you become me, someone who didn't curse until I was like sixteen or seventeen because I thought stupid was a bad word and I didn't want to, you know, do something and say the wrong thing. And that was a lot of pressure for a kid.
You know, Yeah, I think, yeah it is. And also, you know, people love to troll behind a computer and say things that they don't know about you. So I'm sure, like, is that something that you have a hard time dealing with too? People that and how do you deal with that?
I think my both my parents did such a great job at teaching me the difference between what's real and what's not real and whose opinion to value. And my dad is like very harsh on social media in the terms of like not believing trolls and and and not even giving your time a day to it. But I think I struggled with people saying, you know, assuming I guess like I'm spoiled and I don't work hard and all of those things. And I always felt like I
had to prove myself. And I always felt like I had to show up, you know, even more prepared than somebody else, and even more you know, impressive than some body else. And I think that was really tough on me. But ultimately, you know, it served me. It created this work ethic that I have that I'm very proud of and that I get praised on all the time. And so, you know, it was tough, but it also you know, build character.
How is it dating with your you know, your dad?
Oh, I get asked this all the time, you know, in high school. It was tough. We wrote a whole TV show about it. We did a show on Netflix called Dad' Stuff Embarrassing Me, which was mostly about my dating experiences with my dad because I think he was like waiting to play this role of you know, he grew up in Texas, so he wanted to do the whole like shotgun bit. And so my first boyfriend that came around, he was so hard on him. And even my college boyfriend the next one, he was so hard
on him. And finally he learned his lesson and my boyfriend now he is so sweet too. But I had to go through it. I had to go through my dad knocking on their front doors and threatening them and threatening their families.
And I cannot imagine this is a high school.
Relationship is unchanged exactly, No, exactly, he really I think he.
Just I think he was playing a character because he's such a softy. This man cries all the time. He's super sensitive, So I think he was just like honestly playing a character.
That's so funny.
Is there something that your dad taught you that you now like within your relationship now or the relationships that you have that is it?
Did he teach you your worth?
Is it?
Like?
What?
Where?
What are some things that like the positive things that he instilled, like for you to have healthy relationships, assuming you have a great healthy I have relationship.
My dad has instilled in me this incredible self worth. My dad thinks the world of me. He tells me all the time. He's always like, do you know who you are? And not in this sense of like my last name, but in the sense of how wonderful and amazing and brilliant I am. And he makes me really feel that. And so that's how I've always looked for a partner, not that I'm looking for my dad, but I'm looking for someone that sees me through his eyes and like sees how wonderful I am. And so I've
never really been in like a toxic relationship. I've never really settled for any guy that wouldn't treat me well because I was just like, well, my dad treats me so wonderful, you know. It's like the opposite of daddy issues, you know, and so I really thank him for that. And he also does it to my younger sister who's thirteen right now, but that's going to carry on into the relationships that she has and I can see it.
Yeah, it's I mean, it's something that's you know, because I'm I'm doing a lot of like childhood trauma work again.
I feel like I do it like every five years.
But yeah, that's what I was talking to someone because I'm going away to this place, and you know, I was like, God, like, how am I here again? And so He's like, honestly, he goes, I do it tune up every year. He's like, I think, you know, even if you didn't have a bad childhood or whatever, it's like sometimes you learn something new or you have a
tune up and it's it's needed. But at the same time, I'm just like, Okay, I know, like when my dad cheated on my mom, it made me feel like I wasn't enough, and you know, it's like and it's interesting like when little not little things, well, when moments like that happen in your life, you start to believe that that is then what you're worth is and like then you start looking like, oh, well that's why I've been in toxic and after toxic and haven't loved myself enough because I didn't think.
My dad loved me. And then it's like, you know, it just goes into this like spiral.
So I'm always like, okay, like how do I like because I don't want this for my gen like my kids generated.
Well, that's an interesting perspective. The opposite of that, Yeah, my dad really.
Lifting her up and treating her. I mean, it's very interesting. Makes you want to make sure that the men are very.
Good to kids.
Good on you for breaking the cycle, you know, like and noticing it and not wanting to like pass that on because I think so many people don't do the work. So much easier to not do the work. I've been in therapy since I was fourteen, so it is like my favorite topic. It isn't my favorite thing in the world. And you know, I do think like our generation are is the generation that's actually like stopping these cycles because you can see like how our parents were affected by
our grandparents so much. They're not as aware, and I feel like we're very aware of like how our parents have influenced us. And like even me, I'm like I had a wonderful childhood, but I became a perfectionist. And that's also something that doesn't serve me necessarily.
Well, it's not that it doesn't.
I mean, it's gotten you right to a great place having that, but it's something that you know you don't need to hold on to, like you don't have to be a perfectionist. You can use it in certain aspects, you know, like I think, you know, I think being guarded doesn't serve me, But at the same time, being guarded has helped me recognize things or maybe not allow things in, but the wrong things.
Yeah, they're the wrong thing.
But it's it's so hard when you go back to well the conditioning of what we believed as little kids, and so it's it's it's trickery.
We all are just like eight year olds operating as adults.
It's interesting, have you figured out what age you are? Because I'm five? So when I get what is this? So it's the moment that you that you basically your worth was determined. So what age? And there was something that I had to yeah, so or I had to go back, and there was there was one point. Well five is when I you know, I felt fear, and
then at thirteen was the second the second age. So I'm either I'm between a five and a thirteen year old when I have my like daddy issues quote unquote, I mean, and it's funny, like you say, like now you know with my dad, it's they they did the best they could with they did because I looked at my grandpa, I'm like, oh my grandpa was he didn't know. They didn't go to therapy, you know, when when they
were that age. So it's like they you know, they they didn't understand that, but yeah, it's it's it's fascinating. So we encourage anyone to do some childhood work.
Yes, yes, we want.
To do the age thing. I've been in therapy since I was fourteen, and I feel like I've covered it all, but we have not done what.
Age am I Yeah, it's and then and then it's all about like the experiential work that you do with that, and it's you basically talk to that age. It's mind blowing, like it really is, like it's.
You kind of like I know you want to you would switch seats.
With you like you're you're however old girl would be, and then you're you're talking to it. I mean it's like yeah, and I'm probably gonna have to redo that again when I go this weekend.
Sounds like I need to call.
But I do love though that someone you know, you obviously have such a big following and you're so vocal about anxiety, and I love like, I love that because we talk a lot about anxiety on this podcast, because I suffer from anxiety, and you know, I think at times you definitely it's different, it's but it's still for sure, and I'm just curious, like is does the anxiety come from the perfectionism or does it come from a different place.
You know, I think I had a genetic predisposition to it, and then I think it was triggered by things in my childhood, including you know, all of the pressures or the self imposed pressures of my last name. But there's there's a few moments in my life that I can definitely pinpoint to where this anxiety developed. But it wasn't until I was fourteen that I really understood what was
going on. And that's actually a very normal time. I'm an ambassador for NAMI, which is the National Alliance on Mental Illness, and seventy five percent of mental health disorders start between the ages of fourteen and twenty four, So as soon as I turned fourteen, I was like right on,
right on time. But I remember sitting in my English class and I could just feel my heart pounding and my palms were and I was having this thought that a plane was going to crash into the building and probably some trauma from nine to eleven that I just like didn't really understand, and I realized, Okay, this isn't normal.
I'm sure that not every other kid is sitting here feeling this way, and for whatever reason, I had the wherewithal to go to my parents, which seems like the last thing a fourteen year old would do is like be like, Mom, Dad, I'm not feeling good. But I did, and you know, they were so gry about it, and I met my therapist, who I still have today. I'm twenty eight, so I'm approaching the year where I've been with her longer than I have not been with her.
And yeah, I've been working with on me ever since, and it's been so rewarding for me.
I love that. What do you do? You still have anxiety attacks?
I wouldn't say panic attacks anymore. I do have panic disorder, so I guess I could have one. But I've really learned so many tools fourteen years in therapy that I can feel when one's coming on. I have a toolkit.
I have this note in my phone that I've been writing for the last I don't know ten years of all these things to do if I'm not feeling well, and I really rely on that, and it's things like exercising and meditating and journaling and calling a friend and all these things that seems simple but when you're having an anxiety attack, you completely forget. You're just like, I have no tools. I'm a little baby, and I'm you know, flailing,
and I need help. And so having this notes app really is just like, Okay, I can just go to that. What do I do? Ooh, I haven't done that?
Let me do that, you know, yeah for sure.
Yeah.
It's kind of the same thing where I'm like, all right, I don't have to call the ambulance anymore. I know how to do the five four three two one or what I'm like, I'm like, what five things do I see in the room that like, you know, and then the breathing, But is there one that like works the best for you?
Like technique wise, I think.
Breath control was the biggest game changer for me when I started meditating. I really understand because of course, yes it's calming, but there are like physiological changes that happen if you can get your heart rate down your set at least for me, And so when I learned how to take a deep breath when I want to just hyperventilate, that changed the game for me because it gives you your control back, because when you're having an anxiety attack.
It's a complete loss of control. So if you could do something that actually changes your physiological state, you know it's over. You know, the panic attack is over.
Yeah. Well I love that you, you know, are such an advocate for that, and I you know, I appreciate that. And where can our listeners go to find more about that?
Well, if they're struggling right now, they can go to nome dot org. They have so many resources there. But actually, right now, it's it's Mental Health Awareness Month, and I just partnered with this brand called Shine the light On to create this collection of like tees and honeys and crew necks and bucket hats, and forty percent of the
proceeds are going to not me. So if they want to just support Ammy, they can go to shine the light on dot com and get some swag and look cute and support mental health.
I love that.
For me, one of the big things is whenever I feel one coming on, expressing it and talking about it like I'm having a panic attack, because trying to hold it in to pretend that I'm not having a panic attack, it makes it like ten million times worse.
Oh yeah, for sure, because I mean it grows bigger inside of you, and so when you can just like let it out a little bit, it's like it's power goes down.
Yeah, you know, right exactly. It's like you're you're popping, You're popping the air out of it. But well, I just I so appreciate you coming on and doing what you do and just keeping the light that you are because you're beautiful, and I just I appreciate you so thank you.
Oh, thank you so much. It was so wonderful.
You're sweet.
Thanks girl, have a great one, yeah too, Bye bye. She's so sweet.
She is.
Just a breath of fresh air.
That just made me think about the time we were in the small airplane.
Oh god, and.
I really haven't dealt with probably.
Yes, yes, it was after and that really hadn't dealt with panic.
I mean I've never truly had a panic attack, never really been around people with panic were in this.
I mean it was a small plane.
Can we no, No, let's just let's just go back. It's not just a small plane. I mean you can't move. It's a what was a four seater the six? Okay, but like the six it was like pilot. Yeah, it was like like like you know, you can't see me right now in the thing. But we're like literally like this and I had just we had just Bratley and I had just broken up and I was a hot mess.
Oh my gosh. Well just made me think of that extra time about how you to talk about it, Oh, you had to talk about it?
Was like but can I get off the plane if I have to? And I'm like, no, you can't.
Get off the plane and she's like, but if I have to, that's what you're saying, is it?
Because like the worst thing about having a panic attack is like you can't, like you feel stuck, right. So I'm like, so I'm like starting to feel it come on, and I'm already like, oh my god, like I'm gonna be.
Alone forever.
As much as I do. It all makes so much more sense. But in the moment, because I mean, i mean, we knew.
Each other well, but like it was the first true.
I was just like, finally, I was like, oh, I'm supposed to tell her we can get off the plane.
Yeah it's not possible, but sure, yeah we can get off the plane. It's fine.
I'm glad you finally caught onto that because I was like, it took me a little, and I was like with Lisa with us too? Was that the one Lisa was oncause I think she was having a panic attack too.
I'll have to remember you. I just remember you being in front of me. I can still visualize it.
Yeah, And I'm like, Catherine, I'm having a panic attack. I don't want to do the show. I don't want to do I can't do the show. And You're like, we have to do the show. And I was like, no, no, Gather, I can't do the show. And then I'm having a companion attack. I'm like, how do I cancel the show? This is like when I was like, somewhat on top of not not you have someone, you know, successful in music.
You were like, and so you know what I mean now? Like I was like I actually had a label and stuff.
But and then I was like, well, I need to I need you to turn the plane around. She's like, we can't turn the plane around.
I was like, what are mean we.
Can't turn the plane around?
Please?
Like I'm going to have to get on this thing and tell him, yeah around.
So I was like, I get I'm glad you finally caught on to the fact that I was like I need you to tell me we can turn this plane around.
Yeah, we're not going.
To, but if we had to, I was like what if I dit like if.
We had to turn the plane around too? Like That's what I remember. One time, I think I was fine to Scotland. Oh yeah I was, and I was my ex. We were flying to Scotland for a friend, my friend's
wedding and we just had Jason. So I was like, so like you know, hormonal or whatever, anxious, and I remember I started to have a panic attack on the plane because I'm like, this is a ten hour it's like and I remember going back to the flight aten I was like, can I least have some ice because I wanted you know, one of the tricks is to put ice on your like your palm, your back, of your neck. And I just started like doussing myself with like ice.
And then I was like, so it's like someone had to stop the plane because of like a panic attack or like you know.
She was just like I would basically say, like what what is the protocol for that? Like how does like this does one does one get.
To stop a plane?
And she was basically just like I mean, if it was like a dire situation.
So I was like, enough, so if I have to like flail myself, which I'll never do, knock on wood, but like, do you know what I mean?
Yeah, like except for unless you're stuck on the interstate with bad weather and then by golly, you're getting off.
Oh we're getting off. Hey. But you should be very proud of me.
I have started to drive on the expressway, very big step. Like you've done it multiple times now, I think three times. I sent a picture as I'm driving. I sent a picture to Queendom and I was like, look girls, I'm on the expressway.
No.
The thing is that you didn't even say, look girls, I'm on the express It was just a phone and everybody knew.
That's sure, that's sure.
That was my internal brain.
And you're right. I didn't say we all knew.
Yeah, And I was like, you know, but I think and what you will see too is some things that maybe you It could be with affection, I don't know, but like or whatever, like with my anxiety or me feeling like I always have to have a relationship, which now I'm like, I don't want one. I'm going to love them. I'm going to be happy alone, Like I'm going to drive on an expressway. I don't need a man that like make me feel like a few daddy issues.
I'm on my third round of like an intensive therapy thing, like.
Let's do this.
Go.
So it's like, you know, you start to like feel like oh, like little little moments of like healing are like good.
Yeah.
And that was like a small, small victory.
Small victories, yeah, for sure.
Like going on uber eats app.
You know that, small little victories when you don't have to like get the kids in the car. Yeah, and four different places. Yeah, because I needed a speaker for the pool party, I needed towels, I needed groceries and then and.
You were probably about to have a panic attack because you didn't have it.
Do I eat?
Yes, seriously, so thank you Uber eats. And if you want to do a one stop on your phone, you can get it all that day?
Oh did you so? I started writing some new songs.
Did you hint?
Did that one song remind you of something? Which one this somewhere or out there?
And I don't think so, okay, well there was shouldn't have.
Well we're in the middle of right the song and I go, guys, does this remind you of that one song, that one song, No but fible No somewhere Beneath the Palm, come on, I mean vaguely, it's like I'm trying to sing in a chipmunk voice, okay or whatever that.
It's like a it's not it's like song.
The whole song was basically about, like I know here, you're out there somewhere.
It's it's Linda Ron's status from American Tale. It is fireful, You're.
Lindsat Man.
I can't remember how it goes, but I'm gonna do.
We have a little odd I don't even think we could probably play it, but AnyWho, it is for some reason, because the whole song was like I'm I was like, what's like the next song I'm gonna write about?
Right?
So I was like, all right, I'm good, but like I just I wonder, like if you're out there praying like I'm praying for it, you know, like one day, yeah, it'll be a great day, but right now, like, stay the heck away, I'm good.
I'm kidding.
I don't need you.
I don't need you.
Oh man.
Well, I love you guys, and I hope you guys have a great rest of the day and go to Catherine's page and fill her with lots of love because we love you, Cat, and hopefully we were able to give you some smiles.
And you know you can always make fun of me, right.
Because that's that's how you make Thank you Sorry.
She's like, as long as we can like crack jokes at.
You, it just makes me feel at home.
Next week we will be back and we will be in one step closer to healing. But let's not forget to download the uber eats app because it is easy. It saves time. So save your time and order with the uber eats app today again.
You can get anything like from.
Groceries to I don't know if you want to order, like I ordered a Pokey bowl the other day because I was hungry for dinner. Cookbooks now that I'm on a big crock pot recipe search, Oh I need that too.
Yeah I know, Katherine.
Catherine DM me and goes hey, single mom, send me, send me the recipe about to be one.
What we do have in commonists We both can't cook, Yeah.
I know, so, oh you know we should do Wednesday night. Can't cook single mom night.
We teach like we teach each other how to cook see.
Little things, and Uber eats is going to help us with that with the cookbooks because we can get anything from there.
Download the app today, See you guys next week.