Musical Memories

before I was. I'm not a morning person, so this was just a happy month. Thanks for the Starbucks by the way, Oh yeah, thank you. Okay, you guys do this every time, like you did? You are you not near a Starbucks? You know what I mean? But I live an hour away, so if I bring you a Starbucks, it's melted. So why would you want to Starbucks from an hour away time? Because Janna will wake up at the very last minute that she can, so there's no time for any extra curriculars in between getting to where

we need to be. Our day every day, like today is we leave here. We have a couple of therapy right after, like ten minutes later. Then we have another meeting ten minutes after that in Los Angeles, which it takes thirty minutes to get anyone. So food in drinks, in beverage. That's why Janna has a purse full of bars and one water me on in the hand. Who eats normal person food? But yesterday, he goes, man, we didn't really have lunch yesterday. I go, you mean those

two burgers you ate at twelve o'clock wasn't lunch. I did see you eat those burgers, So I don't know why you're saying. I was just like, what else did you need? More subsistence? More so, in the midst of our busy day to day, I do have like a six hour tattoo session, which Jane and I classic conversation where we're like save it. We started talking about something naturally coming into the studio today and asked you and I was like, do you like chess tattoos? I don't.

I personally don't. She was like, no, I don't. And she was like, but I will say this, I like chess tattoos more than back tattoos. And I'm like, my whole type, my whole back is tattoos. I'm like, you've never told me this. She was like yeah when we first met. That was the one thing I didn't like it that you was like it. I thought, I remember seeing it and the like, I've never liked it. But I never wanted to tell him, like how good would that be? Well, it's a little permanent, you know what

I mean. So it's one of those things where I'm like okay, and he's like, well and he stayed with me. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna not be with you. But it was. It was the first date. It was when I went and met her in Chicago. Was when she you pulled it out. Remember the back of the bus. You literally you're asking me like what tattoos? Did you have any other tattoos? Like did you have your arms? I had my arms, So you were like, oh, he's tadded Like he didn't have he didn't have all that.

But I had the back of my arms, I had my side, my ribs done. And she wanted to see what else she was signing up for. Yeah, and she like we're in the back of her bus and she like pulled my shirt up over my head to see my back and I didn't see her face a little. Know. She's like, I just don't like back tattoos at all. I mean, you never never liked it. I love you, but you know what I mean. It's nothing we do

about now. But it's just he's like, that's funny because because I don't like that, I don't like girls with brown eyes either, So actually this works out well. Brown eyes are my least favorite. I call it for girls. But it's okay, that's what I mean. I love you, you know, that's all. It's also funny is Mike's covering up my face today. Oh god, it's the sore subject. We've been waiting for this. I mean we haven't been waiting,

but we've been talking about how he's fixing. So he wanted, you know, this sleeve tattoo, and you know, we had a conversation around it. I'm like, you do whatever you want, but like I just want you to be happy. It's your thing. You're a sleeve. But he's like, it's really pretty. He's like, he's like, he's all about his his thing. If you let's talk about it, he can. But you know, one of the things on there, he's like, I really

want to put your face on my arm. And I was just like wow, like that's pretty cool, you know, you know so, But now he came home a couple of weeks ago from the tattoos. This is like a month, like two months ago when we talked about two months. It's all relative. He goes, so I'm going to cover your face up. First of all, I did it on the plane and Los Angeles going back to Nashville like

a month or so ago, like six weeks ago. Strategically, so I had witnesses around me, so she she could she had to stay somewhat calm about what I was proposing to her, like so because she asked me earlier that day before we left, because I was like hey, because he had one session of the face that he wasn't done yet, So I was like, hey, so, like what does he say. He's gonna like help do to like shade it to look a little, you know, more

like the INSMA photo you wanted. And he's like yeah, yeah, He's like yeah, I actually didn't get a chance to talk to about it. But then he drops it on the plane and their whole conversation was him covering it with a Spartan. What a Spartan. You're a badass Spartan helmet. I don't know what. So basically he's covering my health with a helmet. What do you say? Well, I'm just curious, thank you. So now my face is like that, Okay, I didn't tell jam full story. I'm actually just putting

a Spartan helmet. Are you keeping her face and then her face behind the spart It's like, I don't know, so but to me, I was like, again, it's your arm. You do whatever you want. It's just how it feels, very like I changed my mind. I don't want you to my room anymore. But that's not it. That's what she and I told her. I explained. I said, look, and this is the God's on the truth, the tattoo. The first artist I went to did a terrible job, and I trusted him too much. It wasn't at all

what I wanted. And so I told and I was like, look for me to be proud of a piece of your portrait on me. I wanted to. I wanted it to be like this beautiful, Like people see it and they're like, damn, that is stunning. This guy did not do that. So my new artist. I've seen his portfolio. He's he can do portraits, like it's like the best thing he does. So I told her, I was like, look, here's the deal. I want to be proud of your face on me right now. I'm not. It's not it

doesn't look like I wanted to. I don't know what I'm laughing. I think she looks pretty, but I get how you don't. It's not what I wanted. I wanted to be this like just breathtaking peace. And so I was like, she's it doesn't know like it doesn't. I'm just like imagining myself on Tie's arm and it's just not there. I'm just like, it's just kind of face you would have on Tim. I don't even want to know. So that's what I'm just like laughing. But I get

what you're saying, Um, you're you're pretty. I would want to look at myself if I was like on someone's own. Here's the deal. I never I never even said I was like you do with everyone on that arm. So it's the fact that he said he wanted to, which I never would have ever said, like put my face on your arm, you know, But he had this image, and I was like, wow, that's really cool that he even wanted to. But now I'm like, like bad part of me is like is he covering up? Oh? I know,

I know, I know you know her name. I'm going to say, even though you're fully branded up from like this by anything, I'm just saying, it just feels like a you know, you put me on there. Now You're like, well, it's about it for me to have tie wear a wedding rings. So if that makes you feel like he doesn't want to wear wedding well, he's just he's never warning jewelry. He's just like is it gonna feel weird? Is it going to be clush? You know my buddy Drew.

My buddy Drew's like that, does he not wear rings seldom? I don't like that. No, ties, like I'm gonna wear it, but like he'll always like pull my rings and he's like they don't come off, Like isn't that crush? And I'm like, no, I know that's what I told him. I was like, I sleep in mind. Let him not wear a ring. No, No, He's like I'll get a tattoo and I'm like, no, I don't want you to get tattooed. I don't know. First of all, you like

back tattootes, don't. I don't really like like I'm not a tattoo kind of gal for guys, Like I don't know. But anyways, I was like, just wear a ring. It's very simple, it's very easy. So you need to get like a rubber black one. He'll be fine. I'm not concerned, but I do get what you're saying. You're like, oh, you don't want And even as much as I I've explained it to Janna very delicately, it's not doing that. I'm going to put you elsewhere on my body. But

but I'm like, you don't have to. It's just I just feel like now you're like trying to like it's okay if you don't. But now I feel like you're trying to be like this is a trap. It's not okay if you don't put it on your body. No. I do agree, because Janna is like, so are you going to say no? You even said the other day at the appointment, So are you going to talk about like you know, when you're gonna when you're gonna make

the appointment to put me on you? No? No, No, I'm just saying because you that's what you said, So like, it's what do you want if you don't want to just be honest because you did it first and then you changed your mind because now I'm becoming a spartan. So I just get when this wait, So is that what the appointment is today? Sorry to go, So you're going to fix her today or put her somewhere else. I'm going to cover her sus This is like harsh, but no, I'm just saying, like, do you not want

like being totally honest, Like no, I do. I want the piece that I wanted originally, but you wanted it on that arm though, so it'll change because my whole thing is like the reason he got the arm is because of the meaning of the thing. So I'm like, well, it not me. You're just you're making this more complicated than it is. Really, yes, it's not that complicated, but you wanted your sleeve that like right, but it's still

it being army, It's still meaningful. Okay, whatever. I mean again, it's like whatever, I know what I'm trying to tell you that, but you're just not accepting what I'm telling you. What am I not accepting because you keep going to it. Well, if it's not on that same mornument doesn't mean as much. Well, if you don't do me at all. If I'm just like I'm telling you, I'm just asking, I think once she sees it somewhere else, then it all kind of like again, I don't care, I'm just asking. Like he

gets so defensive and I'm like, I'm not I'm not defensive. Well, I'm just like you're saying, like all these things. I'm like, I'm just asking questions. I'm allowed to ask questions, right, But you've asked the same questions and I've answered them, but you still have the same feelings around it, and I've tried to I'm just trying to reassure you. I'm like, I'm telling you that's not the case, but you keep saying but I feel like you're covering me up. You

don't want me on there. I'm like, I'm that's not the cay. How many times you have to tell you that is not the case. I just know that sometimes you say things to like sugarcoat it where it's like, but maybe it's not what you actually want because you're like trying to make me happy, and you know, I feel like in this instance, he really does want the tat like, I think he really does want you something. If I didn't want it, I wouldn't have gotten it on me to begin with. I know. But now you're

like it's being covered up. So now I'm like, because it doesn't want to just take a look at it. Can I get a look at it? It doesn't matter, it's going away. I don't feel like it's going away. It doesn't matter. It's going away. All right, let's take a break. If you're in southern California and love Cheryl Crow, well we have something special for you. Cheryl is doing a private performance at the I Heart Radio Theater Monday,

December two at seven pm. It's free. So you just need to email us to r s up and we will email you back to confirm. So email Janna Kramer and I Heart Media dot com. That's Janna Kramer and I Heart Media dot com if you would like tickets to see Cheryl Crow in l A. I'm from like a healthy conversation. I start off the morning. You know what, I'm excited about it. I was in my car for like an hour, just like solo, Miss so I'm excited to be around. I was listening to the same song

over and over. Right now, it's stuck in my head. I'm not gonna sing it even though, okay, you want me to sing, you know. The new Celina Gomes song is up. I love it when she says I needed to hate you to love me. Yeah dead. I wish I was going through a breakup hate you. I needed to Hey, you love me? You love so good? Everyone just like turned. Everyone whoever was driving just crashed. Lindsay All has a really good new song too. I heard it yesterday on the way here. I heard it yesterday

all my way here. I was going to take a pick, but I was It's like, I'm gonna give you a little bit right now on Spotify. It's so good. I Don't Love You by Lindsay Ella Jam. She played its like before they released it, and it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, if you want to go through a breakfast on Missy sometime like I'm like, I have Goosey's again. It's so good.

So you guys, dreams of a favorite, get that song, roll your windows up, crank up the tunes, sit in your car and jam jams wry about whoever you want to cry about, like still have the children about whoever you want? Is there a song that you guys have Like, I'm like that, I'm so excited for this conversation. I don't know where I know that you still think of that one person even every time you sing it. Please, Joanna started thought, we wait, we need we need to

know that this is a safe space. So you no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just asking questions like is there someone that you still think about? Like it could be a friend. She needs to totally lead this af It could be a friend, it could be a parent. Could know for example, like I can't listen to Amazed by Lone Star because it broke up my parents marriage. Wait, baby, I'm amazed by I love that. Wait, that song broke up your parents. My mom goes, do you feel this way about me?

And my dad said no and they got divorced. Oh. I just almost all out of my chair. Yeah. I mean granted, I mean things, but yeah, do I make you? Yeah? My mom was do you do you feel this way about me? And my dad said no. Into this day, my mom cannot listen to that song. And I know the stories, so now I can't the best part of it is I went to I went to Lone Star because I did a few songs with them. I was like,

y'all broke my parents up. Thanks Dick, Thanks. Wow, all right, I have a I have a jam and it doesn't affect me today, but about Trish, so it did, it did for a long time. It's okay, this is a safe zone safe yeah. He's like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure bitches. Yeah, which we never have. Okay, so we never have. He's getting ready to okay, everyone, okay, we're just about don't laugh. It was my like college girlfriends, Daniel Daniel. I actually

love her. We actually have a great conversation. We're friends. It's probably a Mike Fashion conversation totally, but I love her and I think she's so sweet. She's very sweet. She deserved a lot better than me, so didn't we all Yeah, okay, let's hear it. Let's hear it all right here it is Oh yeah, hey, hey, Daniel, did you call it boo boo? That was a jam? Oh well, that's like that's like cute. But I feel like, like, what about you? You didn't tell us yours? Oh your

parents yeah, she has another one. That's that's I just put myself out there. Okay, I can think of okay, like the chair by George Straits, my parents wedding song that makes me think of them. No, no, okay, well what about like another boy though? Since we're going there but you didn't go there, I will. Okay, she makes us go first. I know, I'm just gonna like throw one out there because her is gonna take the cake.

Um you mean like not about Thyler Wells to be like honestly, like, I'm trying to think it's funny because I feel like, come on you before I have five thousand. That's why I'm trying to think if I put you on to show what the Arizona state, because like like the one, the one before Tye, it's all like hate, like any hate songs. I'm just trying to think, totally make me think of him. But then the one from high school I would probably see, like any Taylor Swift song.

Oh my god, I know what song? Okay there? Oh my god? How did I just remember this? This is crazy? Okay, there, I can't remember what song Tory? What song is it? I remember driving to your house in the middle of the not on Yeah, yeah, okay, you belong with me? Maybe? Is that okay? Right? Yeah, okay, yeah, because that every and she sings out at every concert, and every time she sings it, it makes me think of my high school boyfriend because he one. Because it's just me. You know,

I love Taylor Sliff so much. So every boyfriend I've ever had loves her too. And one time he was like, we were listening to that song and he was like, this song literally makes me think of you every time I hear it, because he used to drive to my house like every night in the middle of the night, like he would sneak in and he would sneak out, and he was like, every time I hear this, I think of you because she says, what does she say, I remember you driving? Yeah, yeah, the nut I'm the

one who makes you laugh. Yeah that one. And now we're singing again, so yeah that one actually, So here's my question. But here's my question. So when this conversation, is it something where like, is it okay to have

that memory? Is it okay? That's the time, It's a different time, and it's it's because here's the thing I'm like, is this disrespectful to each other that we're like, no, because none of us existed when this happened, and it's not you know what I mean, Like like we all were in each other in that moment we thought that

was it. Yeah for sure, but right, but like, so let's say that song comes out, your song the Taylor, So like that song comes on and it's like, I don't feel thinking about Danielle, you know what I mean? Or that's the thing. It's like, and you're going to think the same thing, like are you thinking about this person? Because well, if you would tell us, we would know who. It goes back to that, like some thing. It depends though, because it depends on how recent they're in your life.

If you get with somebody and it's like, hey, we just started dating, you know, six months ago, an a year ago, you're with this person and that's the song you tell me, then I'm a little too soon. But it's been eight years or something to how many songs now that I think like you're like missing No, I just I'm like, but then, but then why do it's? Um? I think it depends. You could definitely be sent down

a web spiral like feeling now there was different. Like when I just heard that, I was like, it's a snap. I was like, man, I remember well because almost like when I think of that, I actually feel like I remember when he told me this story and we were like driving. It just takes me back. I'm like, who is that? Like I remember her? She was like such a little girl, like not so much like. So I don't think I can say, oh no, no, no no, no no,

I'm gonna play you this song. Okay, well I wouldn't play enough to see as a known person, So just go with the song first and let us try and just called one moment more. Why Mindy Smith? Who many Smith? She's amazing? Oh of course, if y'all gonna just see Mike's I rolled to the back of this. Of course. It's like borderline love s I'm Gonna kill myself type of song. Like it's a multipurpose song. It's like Levin or Janet in a bathtub like one. This is it.

It's all about them not not being able to be together, and why weren't y'all able to beat together? Because our families did not get along Romeo Juliette. It's just about like the one woman more Okay, well, how old were you twenty six? Was he a future suitor? What engaged were you engaged to this person? Yeah, I'm trying to think of Jane's I was he's a singer. Yeah, he knows. Can we see off their first sure? Yeah? Got it?

Called it crickets. Crickets you say crickets. I like how me and Mike songs were like une boo and it's like a tailor swift Bob and Jamie is like if you could just come back so dramatic and just arms reaching. I know That's what I'm saying. That's why I rolled my eyes. I was like, of course this is is

here that or like it's seven o'clock. I'm then dropped up, like if you want to go back there there was it was like the high schools, even like Tye n I right now, I'm like, we can't even decide on the song because I'm like, there's just if you think about it every day, you're like, oh this song, this song, and especially you know ten years ago that was our song like when we left each other. That was just like we played were like He's like I can't listen

to the song anymore. Oh now I'm thinking you can't okay, So like I didn't get okay. If we're doing mutual songs, the game, this changes the game because that was their mutual song? Was that? I mean? For me? Oh my god? High school boyfriend and George straight song he would send me three years later, drunkn mill and night. He'd send me George trade lyrics And I'm like, George is just going to casually be at your wedding school. Why can't we say who it is? Because he's very private? Aren't

we all felt the same? But here we are. I don't think you guys all know him. You don't listen to country to you? Is she kidding? She looking at me. I don't listen to country Texas. I don't know. I just I you think I understand respect. We'll let people do their guesses. Yeah, they'll figure it out. In the comments, did he see would he sing it to you? Mike is going, but you're really going down a rabbitable here?

See this is what I said. You can either I think of a song where you could just go, We're going down a rabbit hole. I'm here for a rabb hole. Yeah, I just would yeah, because he's Yeah, yeah, we got her. Normally you're never suspecting, like you know because big country artist. Oh she nearrowed it down. God, and it's not Brentley All okay, it's not start digging people anyhoo. Oh that was a please change the topic. That was funny. That was such a that was a good all right, Let's

take it one more break and then we'll do an email. Okay, So during that commercial break, no, we don't need to get in. That's so good. Okay, So we have an email from Ashley discovery a second little sister that like doing that little commercial break. Chams like, so do you miss her? Kidding? I'm sure you know what they say, like, you know, you'll always have a piece of my heart. Maybe people always do have a little piece of your heart. Let's just go onto the email. This email is from

Ashley Janna, Okay, I reading that. Let's have Sarah read it since she's neutral to this. After the discovery of my husband's sex addiction three weeks ago, my friend basically forced me to listen to you. Thank you, Janna, you have kept me alive. I have a I have a terrible question though, would there have been a limit or line you would have drawn to the addiction, like if he would have slept with X amount of people or did any specific thing that would have been too much

to bear. That's a really good question because we don't get into the specifics of numbers and things. But I do remember mm hmm when he was in treatment and I just wanted to know. I wanted to know how many. I just like you wanted to know everything. I wanted to know everything, but I wanted to know how many. And then in my head I'd be like, Okay, if it's this many, I'm leaving. If it's this many, I'm leaving. If it's or if it's this then I'm leaving, Like

you would justify things. Yeah, But what I realized was was whether it was one or a thousand, it's all bad. It all sucks, it all feels deceitful in bad. Um. So, first of all, Ashley, I'm I'm glad that this show is helping you very Yeah. So sorry, UM, here's the deal.

When someone's an addiction, it doesn't make sense. And that's something that I've had to learn because I'd be like, well, I don't understand how you could do this and how this this person, and like it doesn't make sense when you say, like any specific thing, it's all too much to bear. It all doesn't make sense. But that's the thing we're not it's when you're in an addiction. It doesn't make sense to the addict either, right, No, it doesn't.

So it's like they in their rational mind, now, I hope you know, Mike and recovery can be like, yeah, that that's just it's out of control behavior when you're an addict. So it's it's actually it's up to you

to determine that for yourself. And it's and like Janna said, you know, early on, Janna would be questioning why, like how this, and a lot of times my answer is I don't know, And that was the truth and the honest answer because and I think that's the hardest thing for these it is to not have an answer exactly,

to not have an answer. It took Janna a long time to accept that kind of as an answer and too respect the addictive aspect of this, because it was we you know, at the time, especially when Jana was asking all those questions, I didn't know because I was figuring it all out. I was figuring out where things came from what behaviors and when it started and how it started and how it manifested and of grew into

and all of that. So it's it's up to you to determine, you know, what you can handle and withstand, and the only way you can determine that is over a period of time. And the biggest thing, one of the biggest things that jan and I've talked about and that our couple of therapists told us, and that Janet's individual therapist told us or told her, it was set yourself a timeline. So it's don't make wasn't no major decisions in the first year, which to me sounded crazy.

I'm like, are you kidding me? I want to be like, no, I need to understand all this and but with but within that, within that year, you can make other smaller timelines of all right, we're not going to live in the same house for the first three months, we're gonna be separated or something like that. Um, you can take whatever you can take steps to to reconnect so it doesn't feel like you have to be thrusted and forced into staying together or sleeping in the same room or

being under the same roof. Right away, because you're hurt, you're traumatized, So do what you need to have the space that you need. But just take a year or even if you if a year just sounds too much, to six months, don't make any major decisions and live with and sit with everything as you process. And great. I love that. And also again I just want because it's I think it's hard to because when you're in that position, the addict is not your husband. The husband

is not an addict. So with Mike, I'd be like, you're that person. He's not that person. It's the addiction that made him that person, and he if he's willing to do the work and become his version of himself, which yes, absolutely to clarify, is not an excuse, it's an explanation. So there's that's completely different. Remember that it's not an excuse. It's an explanation to his behaviors. And it's his job to dig deep and figure out where this came from and how to handle them moving forward.

And it's your job to take care of your good boundaries, but take care of yourself and figure out what you need moving forward. Lovely girl hanging there, would you leave tie? Do you like I don't see tie everything on you. But I mean god, I never I mean yeah, I've always said like I don't know, like even to you, I was like, I don't know how you're so strong. I'm just not that strong and I'm not that forgiving. And you know me, I'm very like I'm really which

is not I'm not proud of it. But I can drop, stop, drop and roll and leave real quick like relationships. Where do you think that? Is that any family of origin with you or is that just something I think that because I'm one of five, I've just been like something that people probably don't realize. I'm really independent, Like I love being alone when I try travel so much, I

like to be alone. And I think that just comes from a big family and taking care of myself and just you know, doing it myself and not worrying about anyone but myself. A And I'm sure i got burned somewhere, you know, I'm sure kindergarten or something. I'm sure I got burned somewhere along the way. M hmmm. Actually I know, actually I know, I know, I know why I am

the way I am. Um, I think that go there, girl, Well I feel now we're like just totally keep So in high school with my boyfriend broke up with me. He broke up with me and never talked to me again for a year, and I didn't understand why. I didn't understand how. I was seventeen, and I was like, how how do you do that? Like you know? And this is also how do you just shut it off? And I literally, oh my god, I cried all the time, not a crier. And I remember saying, I will never

let someone hurt. I will never let someone do this to me again. And I'd never have let anyone do it to me again ever. And I think that's why I just kind of when I'm done, I'm done, and I just go because I don't want to feel it again. I don't want to go back there, and I don't. It's so I can't even imagine hi, But I know you're right, you don't ever imagine it. But I don't know that would be so. I think kids is different, you know, but that would be so that would be

so hard for me. It amazes me how impactful um experiences in high school and the adolescence, how it shapes you because you're so impressionable and everything. I was just talking to somebody recently, like Nick and Parker and stuff, some of my buddies back in Nashville. We're talking about football, and it's funny when we had talked about high school football memories. Everything in high school seemed larger than life, like even people you played with, oh, I remember that,

they seemed larger than like in my memory. They seem bigger than gods I played in the NFL with. And it's just everything, it's more pactful and bigger, because that's what you think your entire life is is high school and emotions are just heightened. I don't know because and it's interesting because like as you said that, I'm like, I'm I was the opposite. So he left me too. But I then became why don't you love me? Why am I not enough? And then that is that is

the moment in my life when I started. And it was also during my parents divorced, so it wasn't good to have, like to God, and then my Grandpather died, so it's all like boom boom bam, and that was like wow, Like here, just hearing you say that, I'm like, yep, that's that's also maybe why. I was just like, love me, love me, love me? Why are you leaving me? No, don't leave me? It's crazy. Yeah, And I'll at this

on top of it with along with y'all. The first I think I touched on this before the first girl I can say I ever truly felt I was in love with. I was like sixteen, she went to a different high school. We had like a summer fling in my head. I'm like in my heart, I'm like, I

love this is the first person I've ever loved. She left me, cheat on me with her ex boyfriend, got back together together with him, and it's like that moment, I felt like I'm never gonna be hurt again, Like I'm not gonna let someone leave me, like I'm going to leave them. That was me I left. It's interesting how that shapes you, Isn't it crazy? That just one thing. And I think because in that moment, like you probably

had never hurt that way. You probably had never at that time, I had never been hurt that way, and I didn't understand it, and so you kind of are just like, Okay, how do I make you know? Your little mind is like, how do I make sure this never happens never you know, always be the strong hand, never let you know. And you were probably like, how do I make sure this? I just love just I just want love crazy insane. Imagine if we were all

in high school together. I thought we'd all be friends each other susan not like that way each other up. But yeah, I mean, god, that's just crazy. Do you like mostly most voted for something? Because I was remember that time Janna cried because Matthew made me cry all the time. Wait, so I was always crying? And then um, most like then the cover of Glamour, So that's so cute. Um okay, I was, we'll see we did it in eighth grade, and then we did it. I think my

senior year. Oh, senior year, I was voted most likely to be mistaken for a celebrity. Okay, that's absolutely is not random. That's great. But then in eighth grade I got like class clown and like the most athletics just charmed everybody. I just I kind of worry for our kids though, because I know now impressionable that high school age. I think about that too anymore. What's that? Oh? I think so like best smile Probably not because they don't want to just like everyone gets a trophy, so God,

here we go. But someone's feelings are going to get hurt. Really, they're taking away the likes on Instagram. Oh yeah, which I'm totally cool with, see because your analytics are still going to be there for like, but you know what's funny is they're taking away the likes. But it's like

the likes aren't the trolls are in the comments. So you think there are things that there are pictures that I don't put on my Instagram because I know they're not going to have a good but I would like to, but I know they're not going to have a it it hurts and that hurts me, like it messes with my head when that's why this one's only gonna get ten and it's like a hundred thousand. I didn't understand why,

but now I guess that makes sense. I was like, if you like, you can still go to analytics sure for like this, you know, sponsored stuff, and they got it. Are you heeling your nails on? I just peeled off all my jels. Sorry, I was getting like nervous talking about my high school self. Clearly. I was just like, you are well and they were peeling off some like, no, are you kidding? I feel like we had we had a nostalgia episode a few weeks ago. I feel like

this is that that should have been this title. I know, No, I don't know. I'll tell you mind if you tell me yours? I know, wait, tell you tell me you're what. The other one who the song was about, his name is John. Oh, good job real, tell us Brian's with rip. Okay, we'll do that. John's very common names. Thoughts always said it, you're dick. What? Oh my god, I said it, Tricia John? You know the other one, the high school girl. Now she's just making you say any name. We're talking about

the song. I thought you were talking about the high school girl. His high Yeah, we're talking about two so many times, guys. Funny. Now look at all of us. We're all just married and I know happy. I can't wait till Julie Ho's our first boyfriend. M M, like, how are you going to handle that? It's I'll be better than when Jay says his first girlfriend. We're watching

it made me. We're watching Crazy Stupid Love Yesterday, I love and even It's We're like we started ten minutes in and Janna was like, is this what we're gonna watch? I'm like, yeah, I'm not writing in a truck. Ten more minutes. Ten more minutes later, she was just like

I love this movie. I was like, I know, that's why we're watching it, but like with his son and like being in love at eighth grade and so I'm like, I can't imagine, like Janna, I mean Jolie and Jay and Ace and like when he said whole a million times when they're doing start like Julian Moore had to go in to give him. I was like, I'm almost excited that for those moments, just to be like on the receiving it, because I was just always in trouble life.

You're like, so just to be the parent to be like but it's like do you get attached, Like if Julie has a boyfriend and you don't like him, or what if you love him so much? And like she's heartbroken first heartbreak that dad, that's like, why are you going to break up with him? I remember when my dad start with me. I was so because it's your dad, you don't want to like talk about it. I feel like you're going to be like that, like, Jolie, what's

what's going on? I'm gonna be I'm gonna be like this other girl did in high school when I broke up with her, her parents, her parents, her parents left me so much, and they're kind of like they kind of looked at their daughter and they're like, well, you know, Mike's a really nice boy and he probably had a reason, and you know, but you're sending the fact that I did that that's funny. Um so I had. I was

looking at the reviews of the show. I used to love Janna, love her music, but when she talks about how much money she spends, I finally had to stop listening. I mean, like which episode which was too because I'm the most frugal person in the world. At first, I was like, what we're discussing what her husband spent on video games? Was in poor taste. I don't even make that in a year. I'm very sorry, and somehow it's not your fault. Society is like this, but please don't

add to this. I think, look what you did, you a little. Janna is ruden all around nasty human. I just want to say thank you, mission accomplished. Wait, what are you reading yea this podcast reviews um. The last few episodes have been very uncomfortable. It seems like the episodes are filled pasive aggressive comments towards Mike. It's uncomfortable to hear Janet bash Mike so much. Well, listen to this episode because we were having fun, and also last

week's episode we had a lot of fun. So tune in. That's so funny. Wait, what I just want to say. I'm sorry of the people to think I'm passive aggressive. I know that that's something that I'm working on, and I love my husband and sometimes for the show we have to have, um, we have to have disagreements, because that's it would be boring. I think they got All they do is agree. All they do is be happy and in love. Yeah, this is us. Take her to leave it, damn bo. But thanks for having my back

out there. Oh god, Oh my gosh, it's funny. Because we were having this conversation, I was just like, because what are you laughing? Are right now? Why are you loving? Who just sent that to you? Do you think who's listen? Oh? Eastern onlievable. Eastern just sent a photo to Mike of my face being covered up with a spartan head. It's very funny. Can you just save that because I'm going to post it next. That's exactly what I had money east than I can take this to my art today.

I just can we just wrap that up though, because I really do want to say, and this is from my absolutely, I'm not playing games. I'm not I you know I've always and why I'm so sensitive to that arm is because you said I want to look down in this arm and know that you know this is my recovery arm, and this is what this means, and this is what this means. So I just want you to know. I just want you to be happy with

whatever you're doing. And I've always said that with your with your arm, like it is your arm, you do what you want to do. So I just don't want you to feel like you had to be like, but I'm going to put it on something else or whatever, like, don't feel like you have to, because I feel like you do that a lot to like save face and to be codependent, and like you don't have to say that if you don't truly want to, because then it makes me feel like you're just doing it to like

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like two weeks ago, now that Jess is walking. Yeah, And when I was a kid, I remember my mom always telling me I don't remember what age I was, but she was just like, stay this age forever, like stay four, stay seven, whatever age I was. No, I'm growing up, mom. And now with Jason, I'm like, I want him to stay like eleven months for like six more months. Believe he's almost one. I wanted to stay that age for like six more months, like crawling and

just he's just he's the most intentional little kid. He's very kind. He is a kind, kind soul, such a good little boy. He's yeah, he's like I can't even talk about hi, I'm gonna cry because he's just like he's my boy. The way the way he even plays cars. You'all can't see it listening, but he'll just be like this, like very delicate, very he's his two fingers and he pushes. It's so solid. He's just like staring at it with such intent, and that's how he is when he stares

at people. He's just like intentionally. He just I feel like you can feel his kind soul, Like I don't want to have a boy unless he's like that. Honestly, sorry, he's the best because I just want like a sweet little like like imagine if he was like a wild I mean, maybe he will get he'll have he'll have

those moments. But now that he is standing and like walking, Janna is just foaming at the mouth because now she can start dressing him in like super spat, like drop crotch, camo, you know, Beanie half on, like all of that and Jolie um. I got an email from her speech therapist her speech sound skills are now with the normal limits for her age, so she might be able to graduate by the end of the year or beginning. I know she's she's so sweet. It's a crazy, crazy age. I

feel like one and I feel like four. Hopefully we'll get easier because three was really challenging with her, and I feel like it was like three new babies because they're so close. You had Jason then her birthday was a month later. She's such, she's a good she's so cute. Nobody can entertain Jace like Jolie. Yeah best. I know. He's getting to the age now where if she takes his toy, she he he doesn't cry, but when she he when she grabs his truck, it's like it sounds

like he is in so much pain. Like he's understanding now, like like when you take something away from it. But maybe when he's like when he can walk and he can follow her around and he can like he's going to be her little doll, like she's going to dress him up. Ty has traumatizing stories. He's like plenty used to dress me up as snow Why and Cinderella. But they were like best friends. They are they That's what I loved most when I met Ty. I loved talk.

I was like, oh my god, you guys are best friends. And I love how close there. And I feel like that would be good for Jay's to have like a big sister who's really close to because then it's like he's going to try and date all her friends. Oh yeah, they're close enough in the age, Yeah, they're all they're so cute. So get this real quick though, So for all those out there maybe in the Chicago area that

are going to our Chicago show. So you know how like comedians do like a special and they have filmed documented We're going to do that for the Chicago show. No, well, that's what we want to try to do. We're gonna make it happen because now I've just started sweating. No, I'm ready rang. Oh yeah, like documentary style, like during the day for all of us and then during the show walk out. There's gonna be one the audience. So Chicago, We're gonna make it happen. Y'all got to bring it.

Chicago is going to be I don't care if me and all however many hundred of you, we need to take shots together some wait, how many hundreds are there? Several sold out? I know I already have the nervous piece. I get the nervous in Michigan is the next day. Tickets are still available, and so is UM Louisville. Go to UM continue Well, yeah, you go to Jane Cramer dot com for the tickets or UM just go to

like UM Royal Oac Theater for Michigan tickets. So Chicago, I know it's sold out, but you guys can easily just drive it just easily, just a couple of hours drive to Michigan. Is um? Is this your hometown in Michigan? Very close? It's not like home hometown, but it's quarters. Like like a bunch of people from like high school going to be there. I would be all my high school girlfriends are coming, which I'm really excited about because I haven't seen them in a long time. Do some

high school enemies? Uh, friend of God, Yeah, I really would love to talk to the girl that put me at the UM. I was one of the targets for the what are those things called when we used to play football? But it wasn't called Potter, prof it was called UM. I don't know what you'll do. I don't remember what was called, but it it wasn't called Potter. But I found out there was a list. It was like a kill list basically, and I was on it. I was on it because you were ready, Okay, you were,

but I wasn't. I wasn't the pretty girl. I was like Lisa and Ashley, those are the pretty girls. There are gonna be so many people from your high school. I just need you to know. I know you don't think so what there are. I don't know. It's gonna be fun. And it's going to be my brother's coming, my aunt's, uncle's like dad, mom of them. So fun. Yeah, look at me now, which is that is? It's gonna be wild. I'm so excited. Um, and you just turned twenty nine. How does it feel. I'm just happy. I

have a ring. To be honest, thirties the best thirties are the best. So I'm so chin to keep saying like we're so excited for because like we're getting married, We're both going to be turning thirty next year, hopefully I'll be working on a baby, and I just feel like it's gonna be the best year ever, and I like for everyone. Yeah, it's good. And nine is our number this year for sure. I'm excited. All right, guys, good show show. This is fine. Um, we will wind

down with you guys later. I need to boom boo, boo boo. We have a few minutes. Funny, that's funny.