Laugh it Off with Heather McDonald

I want to see. Boston. It's so fun. I'm trying to remember. So there's like the really pretty park. I mean, there's a lot of fun things to do in Boston. I feel like the attitude in Boston might be very U brand for me right now. Yeah, for sure, there's good chopping. There's a lot of good really cool like architectural holdings and stuff that like we want to see. So I think to bring the tennis shoes. Bring the

tennis shoes. Yes, there'll be lots of because the day, the second day that we're there, we'll be like, you know, explore and I just have to travel to the next day. Oh, I'm just so excited. I feel like I need I

needed some some good girl time since November. Right, we haven't been out since November and then the last girl trip that I had was Sarah and then she So I just feel like we need like I need this, like I need a good girl's trip because we were Katherine and I were supposed to go some of first spring break and it had kind of canceled. I'm like, well, I'm still up for a girl saying, so we need I look, I like count down the days to wind down.

It's that time. It's just so well we travel well together. Yeah, which, now that I know we travel well together, I really look forward to. Well I did before, but now that I know what's important to all of us and our love languages and where we sleep, we all go to the beach and backroom stretch. Well, it just feels like cozy. Like I'm like, oh, we're back on the dorm. I'm here for it. I love it. Do you guys like traveling? Is there is there a couple like do you like

traveling with your husband's? Like would you rather travel solo with your husband? Would you want to do couples, what is your composure? Go to so fun fact, Preston and I in eight years have never taken a vacation solo until this, like to three weeks ago, which was crazy and I was like, hi, time out. Did you see the pirates came? Yes, okay, they really came? Like wait, so Christy wasn't far off? Pirates? Like when like goose bumps so many people do you mean They're like you

manifested this? The pirates are I was there right? The pirates came to Tampa? They did? Was that weird? I mean I saw it and just started busting. I forgot to put I need to go back and post because I was dying. I was like, you, guys, I did I I guess what does that even say about me? I don't know. I better be careful. It's probably what I don't want to No, I need to manifest the opposite direction and really get some things aligned for us.

So I think with the um couples or so, I actually prefer to do a girl's trip and then do a one on one for because I feel like since we travel so much in work, it's hard to get that one on one time, like you just said with President, you have eight years eight years. So though it's fun to travel with a couple, at the same time, it's like that's the time that I'm like, I'd rather just be like eye to eye with like my person. And then because girls trips are just so much fun, I'd

rather just love it with the girls. I've really done a whole lot of couple's trips. Honestly, maybe we should come like girls trips or girls stressing better than a girl's trap. There's really especially with us, I want to my love for us, but like, none of us are crazy drinkers. None of us are like you know, like I remember the first time I told Press and I was like, oh, I'm headed out for a wine down, and he's like, uh, this is when Kat was potentially

getting divorced. You were different, look like but I'm like, it looks like eleven o'clock face wash and us belly laughing about all the things. It looks like that was like to meet you guys from an audisclosed location. At this point, I do, and then yeah, I mean that's yeah, we're like remember that one night we tried to go out in Chicago. We really tried. That was actually sad.

We're trying so hard and everything. We just wanted one good drink, one good drink, that was it, But instead we belly laughed in our back in our room in about twenty minutes. I like that about us. Girl's trips have changed. It's not that exciting to everybody else listening, but we love it. It's I think we're more comfortable

than people. Let on. I think what you guys do is you got to find your people, and those are the people that you should because we're so busy with life and moments and it's nice to have for example, like obviously the one with Sarah was it was it

was amazing, It was so much fun. So when you have those moments like travel with the people that bring life and joy into you rather than stress, because there's nothing worse than traveling with people that you don't like, you're like, why am I spending my time doing this right now? Yeah? Like with kids and I'm kidding. That's the other thing I remember, like a long period. I like just that we it's always like a quick like the trip we were going to do was like wet

two nights for spring break. It wasn't let me reiterate it wasn't a whole spring break trip. Kids don't worry two nights. But yeah, it's you know, I like traveling with kids with other kids. Yeah that's funny too because it keeps them the that's I like, I really like doing that. I want to do more trips where it's like, hey, let's all take the kids here for spring break, especially this year because my husband's gone a lot and I would love to vacation, but I get, let's do it

for fall break. I have the kids for fallbreak, Mike cousin for the spring, but with his now. But it's like, but I'm now taking half of it because like, well, if I'm gonna be here, so then that's where I go into that, like I'll take him so uh but fall break would be fun. Let's talk about where you just came back from uh, California and you had a sweet trip. I did so sweet? You know what you had? Called Catherine? I go, when did TMZ come to Nashville.

I don't know who this man was, but I got off that this nine hour flight and so where he lives it's about like three hours from England, like two and a half three hours, so count that onto it. Then I'm at the airport for two hours and then a nine hour flight back home. Nine hours and I'm like, no makeup, got some zits like in my like sweatpants, Karen, my big old blanket. And I get this guy and this one guy has a camera videoing, and then one guy is long lens and I'm like where am I

at right now? Like this is never never seen that in Nashville? What Yeah? I was like, am I getting punked? Like I was just so so. Then it hit the news after no, no, it hasn't come out and I didn't even look forward or whatever, but like, I don't like this. What was strange about it was I mean it was immediately when I went through the doors of you know, out of the British Airways or whatever, the

international terminal. You know, how can people approach you think that you might know them, and he's like hi, and I'm like, Hi, how are you? Because it's like you're always so nice? Well, and but in my mind I'm like, Okay, are they a fan? Are they do I actually know them? Or I'm always gonna play it like I know you and whatever. That's amazing. So even people you are for sure, you don't know. You're always like hey girl, cute top I mean always so you knew the photographer, so you know,

I didn't know any well. The first guy in the cameras like hey Jenna, Like I was like, oh hi, how are you in? Nice to see you, and he's like, how is your time in England? I was like, okay, so weird. I don't think that is crazy to me. And I was just like, uh, yeah, I know it was good and I'm walking like I'm briskly walking. I want to get to my uber. I want to see my kids, right and so he just kept asking me all these questions like has Allen met the kids? And like,

I'm sorry, I don't feel like discussing that. Um, I actually would like to really get to my kids right now. Have you met his kids? And like again I'm not going to discuss that. I'm so sorry, like I just want to get to my car, And then he kept asking like the one thing I remember from it because it was again such a blur, He goes, have you learned any fancy words? And I go rubbish and rubbish yeah.

So I was just like what, like what is happening right now, Like I was just so confused, and then he kept asking me questions, like he said something else about Alan, and I just was so like I looked at him like dead in the eye and was just like I just got off a nine hour plane, like please, I'm so sorry, like I just want to get home to my kids. Also like probably caught off guard, like what's really happening right now? I still that's crazy. I don't know that was. I mean I have heard that

they're definitely here now are there? Um? Someone had told me that they were, yeah, that they were doing something downtown. I mean, they don't know where. The gymnastics play a lot of content, but I had not seen or heard them at the airport. The days, those were the days because I just made me laugh just I miss those days just for the No, I just didn't say. I take that back. I do not miss those days. I miss the Queendo. That's what. Well. I just ate popcorn

and watched it. I can remember sitting on my couch literally eating popcorn so hard. It's just I literally said The Queen was better than Netflix to me. It was way too good. It's you just can't make And then you went and stable and got a boyfriend and quiet. I know. I'm like, hey, guys, we also have back together with Meg. Julie is successful, Pam's healing guts and yeah, Pam's growing abs. You've got a boyfriend. Sarah Bryce has exited the conversation. She actually stay on. No, I don't think.

I don't think. So we stopped Sarah conversation. Girl, it's just too much. But but England was great. It's um, it's it's a lot. You know what kills me is the nine hour travel back. Like the one there is great. I got that one. It's the flight back that's just really tough. It's it's nine and a half hours. It's just it's to me, that's a lot. And you don't sleep.

I can't because you have to sleep and get home, Yeah, because you gotta like you land at like five pm and they're like, all right, I gotta stay awake, which is you know one o'clock. No ask how you are just coming back? Because that was it snuck up on me, like the second day, I felt like, so I think it's it's harder for me going there just than it is coming here, because like you're going to bed so you're already like tired. I don't know, but there it is.

It will be coming to an end soon or it's just like I did, admit so many different things that you're going to have to elaborate. Well, y'all just to just be a director instead he's a plot writer. It will all be coming doing what do you mean eventually it'll all be coming to an end. That uh, the amount of times I'm going over there. Mhm. Okay, well I got t MZ's telescope camera fired up. But yeah, no,

it it was so great. We like saw some really cool different places and there were have you ever heard of this place called bath in England? Yeah, I've heard of it. Wow, it's wild back and live the Roman days. They dug so deep. And again I'm gonna butcher this because I'm the person, so I'd like to know this. When you go to a museum that you know they have those little phones and the headphones, I walk right past those things. I just want to see. I'm wearing

my headphones. Now those are the kind of headphones. But I mean I just like, I'm like now I just kind of want to look and like see and I'll read a few of the little plaques. But besides that, like give me, give me the like when was it built? Sith notes? Whatever? Now, send me on my way. So what's your cliff notes about bath? That cliff notes about

bath was back in the Roman times? Okay, they dug so deep into the ground that they hit like a The ground was hot, so Toda's day and I even made it said don't touch, but Allen touched the water. Uh so, um, it's still warm. That so that the pictures I took when I was there, it stays warm. Isn't that wild? That's why bath? Yes, well I don't know. That's actually why the study is called back. But I don't know why it would be called bad mother? Is right? True? True? True?

And we're trained to shower that they called a bath and then made up that story to fit the name of the and then they have a heat or installed all of those fields. Well sound we I know what we needed to do is we needed to to to look at the the you know, the little guide thing. But anyways, so but we're google. I don't know things or what they did in that bath, but they all

bathed together in these baths. So we went there and then we went to this other place called we went to windsor windsor was did you go the Queen's Castle or I think that's what it is. We didn't wear that phones, but it was beautiful, like just so stunning, so pretty the grounds were and I saw these you know those what those guys called they walk with the like big soldiers. They are, yes, they are soldiers, but there does anybody want to cancel the last five minutes

England culture? I apologize. I will do better next time. We are were so but every part of me I was like, hey, hey, like I want to because you know, you want to get there because they won't because they won't right, like, and you love eye contact. I do that. It's really hard for you. But that was pretty cool. Watched the exchange of the guards guards. Okay, so we have to watch them, Yeah, changing the car, changing the guard. Yeah,

that was pretty cool. Yeah, And I thought there was something more fancier and like the red Stallions are the red Guard stack. That's not the magic of the Kingdom. You made a few fires, tried to watch Babbylon. It wasn't the fires didn't watch Babbylon them out anyways, But it was fun and I'll be back sooner, and he cannot come here to an end before it comes to an end, because you know in season it's he'd have like again in twenty to our travel day. So it's

so funny. I still am phobic of you giving clues, Like I just tightened up and I'm like, oh, that's right. When everyone knows who he is, now it's fine, okay, okay. Well, we have a really amazing guest on our show. She's got a really fun podcast. She's hilarious. So let's take a break and then let's get Heather on. Hey, Heather, it's Janna Christ. Hey, I'm Catherine. Thank you so much for coming on Wine Down. We really appreciate it. How's your dame? Good? How's yours? Where are you guys? You're

in Nashville. We're in Nashville. Yeah. Are you in l A. Yeah? It's juicy in l I. I bet it's great. It's it's such a gorgeous day to day, you know what I'm not I would be jealous, but it's a very beautiful day to day too, in Nashville and sunny. We've really tried today with our weather. We're feeling proud of ourselves. It'll be gone tomorrow. Don't worry. It's totally gone tomorrow. Um, it's it's cute. We were just we we all love you.

But this one right here was just before entered. She was just like, guys, I really love I really love you because I like funny women and there's not a ton of them. Oh thank you. I appreciate that so much. That's so sweet. I mean the Chelsea Lately days, that's how far it goes back. Oh good, great, that's not good. I just love you. I had to say it. I just need to say I love you, and I don't care who knows it. I had had my buddy the

Elf moment and I can move along. Good. So Juicy Scoop tell us all about that podcast and is there any juice to be given? Um, well, Juicy Scoop, I've been doing for seven and a half years, and um, I've been really fortunate and that it's just some thing I really love to do. I started it because Chelsea Lately had ended, and I had like a year of a couple other TV shows that you know, we're happening not happening, A few episodes here there, and in two thousand.

I guess it would have been two thousand fifteen. Is when I started. I was like, well, I guess it's time for a podcast. Like nothing else is happening. Only the losers have podcasts. Nobody made money off of it. I'd be a guest on podcast and I didn't even know how to listen back. Um. And I wasn't doing it for the money. I did it because I was doing stand up and and I was like, how am I going to keep headlining clubs if I'm not like on TV, you know, because I have to sell every

ticket myself and um, And so I was. I was at a club and I saw a poster of Tom Sagora, which I hope you guys know who he is. He's huge but Bert Kreisher. Um. But at the time Tom Sagur, I go, oh, that guy is a really good podcast, like a popular podcast. And the owner of the clubs like, yeah, he comes here on a Tuesday night and sells out just from the people that listen to his podcast. And so then the next day I was like, I have to get a podcast. So then I started mine, and

I didn't expect to make any money at it. Nobody did I just was doing it as like, you know, a way to keep be creative and hopefully it would help sell tickets. So yeah, so then like about it. Then after a year, I didn't I didn't even realize like it was becoming really popular because it wasn't reflecting in my social media, like the people that were just listening, we're listening, they weren't like, you know, going over to Instagram and being like I loved your episode. So I

didn't even know. And then um, and then it just became really popular. So and I just just never stopped. I never I never took a break. I never did a season one and two. I never took If it was a Tuesday and the Thursday and that was Christmas and New Year's Eve, you got an episode and I just treated it like I did Chelsea Lately, but instead of sixty people working on it, it was basically like just me and a producer. And so the hard work

is paid off. I'm like the top female in the comedy department who who doesn't have a partner, so doing it, doing it has been really great. And I just cover everything that I think is juicy, and so some of that is you know, obviously like whatever is in pop culture.

But I do cover like a juicy crime mostly if I think it's like, um, mostly if it's like passion driven, like it has to be about couples or something, because it always like I like analyzing, you know, what do I think happened in this or why do I think it's juicy? It's not as like detective driven when I cover it as some of like a hardcore podcast crime, but I do that. And then of course I've always been a fan of the Bravo stuff in the Real Housewives,

so I'll always touch on that. But I don't like recap every episode. I just kind of be like, Okay, this was pretty juicy. What happened here? This is why I don't think this person is going to be asked back, Like I just kinda do that. And then I have comedians and I have different guests on as well, what do you think right now in the pop culture world?

Define that's juicy? The The whole thing with j Lo and Ben is just like funny, you know, because it's like the other thing people don't realize is like they're fifty and they've been going to these events for years, and anyone that's married for that long and your husband is like fifty, whether he's Ben Affleck or just like a dude, and you're like, okay, I'm warning you now.

Like there came a point, like in my marriage, so I've been married twenty two years where I would be like, listen, we have a wedding on Saturday night, so you cannot like go golfing all day Friday and boozet toll ten because I need you to be a delight for Saturday. So I would like put in calendar like Peter doesn't drink Friday. So like I think that like eventually your husband's all become toddlers where you're like, um, okay, we've been out all morning shopping at home, deepo, we have

that party tonight. Do I need to get you home for a nap? Get you like, let's let's get him down. Do you need to water some food? What can I help you with? Do you need a bathroom or yeah? Exactly, just like get so then you have so I think like with some of that, like yeah, he doesn't love it. He was just like he is kind of like a craeky person. But I think that they're they're fine. So that was like fun to kind of analyze what that was really about. He did swallow a couple of yawns, though,

did you see that? Like I watched him internalize a yawn and really his eyes watered and I was like, this is hard for Ben. He's really having a really and I really don't like how they said and she snapped at him. I'm like, that was not snapping. They were just like you know what I mean, it was just like a to me. That made me think that they are like real as real as can be. She's like, get your ass together, right, like cameras are. That's the worse.

Like when she saw her like that the camera was on. That part like killed me from her because again, people are always staring and looking and the moment that you think you have without cameras and then the fake kind of smiled coming back, It's like, oh God, we've all we've all been there in some setting or another. Listen. I didn't watch the Grammys, Like I don't really watch

that stuff anymore. I'll watch the clips now. I'm always there. Yes, I have bells on and stuff, but like when people at home don't realize is that like this is like an exhausting day. You know you guys, you know you would know that, but like getting cute early, being uncomfortable, standing on the red carpet, waiting for this, being on, having to smile, not eating, you're never eating. Yeah, there was just like that sad shark cootery board at a wedding,

all eyes are on you. You're not good enough. Yeah, you can't get together. I mean it's very much like a wedding gramer. And you know, like when you're not famous or whatever, you're like, there's times when I get invite to something and I'll say to my husband, I'm like, okay, we I have that like Apple TV premiere. You are my choice, you know, but like if you're not feeling it,

can you tell me now? So I can invite my girlfriend, who will go with bills on and yeah, so I can go with my girlfriend and no one's like Heather McDonald's getting divorced, you know, but she can't bring her sister or like her best friend. You were like, actually when she'd probably have so much more fun with instead, yeah, or like the single girlfriend that like might hook up with someone there, which makes it fun for the merry girl. Like yeah, she has to bring Ben. So that's for that.

For that, I feel a little bit internally Ben in my head forever. Yeah, okay, well that's so good. And then so you've been married for how many years? Twenty years and he's he's not in the industry at all. Uh no, I mean he's been like managing me, and he was you know, he's like a finance guy. So

he's always handled everything. And then and then in between leaving our first podcast company and um, you know, I always had agents and all that stuff, and then he would like, I'd like do a deal, and then he would actually read the contract and he'd be like, why didn't you do this and this and this? And I'm like, well, why why am I? Why am I paying this person that doesn't care about me, that doesn't read the contract, who's like, I don't know if you guys, you guys

would know, the out of your audience knows. But like the usould be a time where like an agent would do a deal and then all of a sudden, if you had a big deal, they'd be like, okay, so you need to also hire an attorney for that will take ten percent And you're like, what the hell are you doing, like so it's kind of like so anyway, I still have all that, but like he does, you know he So then he started to get involved more

with it. And then when the podcast group, we have our own studio and we have someone you know, so we then we did all ourselves and we have a network that you know, brings us ads or whatever, but we do all everything ourselves. So then just along with all that type of stuff, I was like, God, I mean, you know, it is hard to work with your spouse.

And it's something I my sister and I would go to bed at night and like promise ourselves that we would never work with our husband because my parents were realtors and they worked together, and oh I thought it was awful. Though it was awful. Um that they stay married till they died, and they really liked each other once we were all gone and they stopped working. But like it was, it's hard. It's hard to work with your house. It's hard like your spouse sometimes too. I mean,

let's just start from strata at that element. But then there's amazing benefits to it too, and that no one has your back, like you know, like your spouse. Some one's gonna care about it, you know, no one like you don't have to worry about anything shady happening on whatever. Um. So it's funny. But my sister, who's an attorney, she works with her husband too, so we both ended up working with our husbands. We didn't start out that way, but eventually it came to that. And so yeah, so no,

he was never like an actor or anything like that though. Okay, And is that do you think that's like what's made your relationship since you're so in the spotlight and in doing things in entertainment, that that's helped, um, kind of keep the relationship as strong as it has. Um. Yeah, I mean I think I think it does help to have someone that doesn't want your life, you know, Like I think that is. I think there's I think there's

something so great. I have a lot of friends that are like, you know, like power comedian couples like you know, Toom Sagora and Christina Paczynski and and Natasha la Jarro and Mosha Kasha like and they both do the thing they do the podcast together, like they're both funny there. You know, I think it can really work out. I think with actors sometimes obviously it's a little more difficult because it's like one person has all these movies and another one doesn't, and they go off, you know, and

they're making out with people. So it's like, I do think that part of it can be hard. But when I when I was when I met him, he just kind of was like when I was like doing Stamp and on meet guys and this is a long time ago, you know. When I was in my twenties, there weren't a lot of women that were doing it, so it was always like either they were either they the guys that I would tell would be like, oh wow, okay, So like how long are you gonna give it? Like

when are you gonna quit? Like when like how like you know, like as if I'm not if I'm not making much by thirty year, if I'm not in a sitcom, I'm just supposed to like quit that day. I'm like, I don't know, I'm just gonna do it as long as I am having fun doing it. And this one guy was like, yeah, but it says I'm dating you, like you go out on all these auditions and like have you even gotten any of them? And I'm like, no, I never get any of them. I never do. I'm like,

but I just like going on them. Well, I just like getting cute, wasting four hours and preparing and not knowing where to park, and then never be successful at it. But like I'm still living the dream, like I'm still going and do my thing. So when I got Peter,

he just kind of he wasn't in that business. He was into He was a medical sales rep and then got into like mortgage brokering and stuff, and so he was just like, oh, this is cool, like you know, this is great, and he thought I was funny and he didn't have like an ego about it, and I always talked about him in my act and that was fine as well, and so yeah, it was it was never it was never that. And then you know, he was thrilled that I was like successful in making money,

Like there was never anything negative about that. So yeah, that was a good combo for you know, it's not perfect, but it's good. And I never wanted and I never want to be that person at Bragg's too much, because then those are the ones that always end up. We use this audio over top of here breaking that's horrible. I'm with you. We don't ever jink set in audio? And how many kids do you have, Heather, because they're

teenagers now right, Yeah, we have three. Um My stepdaughter is twenty three, but we basically raised her because you know, she was very young when we got together. And then I have my son who's twenty year old. He's at a s u Arizona State. And then I'm another son who's a junior in high school. Boys, is there is there one thing in stand up that, especially when you

were starting? Is my thing is I'm like, I feel terrible, but sometimes when I go to a comedy show, if something's not funny, I'm like, I'm not going to like force myself to laugh when if if you were to not get a laugh, like does that because to me, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna laugh because I feel bad for the comedian now, so I'm just gonna laugh, even though I'm like, huh, other doesn't know because how there's funny?

Well of course, but I'm starting out though, I mean like I would be like if I was sitting up there and mortified, So I'm like, tell me all, it's mortifying for the person doing the stand up, But I also love that there are girls and people like you that are actually it's like uncomfortable and cringe you sometimes to go to stand up, Like I had a friend that had to come just so much of my stand up, especially in the beginning, because you have to bring people,

and it was always like kind of a weird lineup right, Like I would be I would always do pretty decent, and then there'd be it was always like they always come up to me and they'd be like, well, you and the black guy were good, but like everyone else sucked. Like it was always just like like and then I'd be like, oh my god, I'm not going on to like the eighth person. How am I people going to

live through this? Like hell? And then my later on once I became successful with my girlfriend, was like, oh, someone just asked me to a comedy show and I was like, no, I can't take the anxiety of like when they're not funny unless they're like a professional, like unless you're gonna go see like me or Amy Schumer, Chris Rock or something like sometimes we're just going to

like the random night of stand up. For some people, they have like a codependent like anxiety for the stand up, which sounds like you I'm like, but I like feel terrible for them that it's not They're not funny. So it's just like, oh and I don't think a lot of people are funny. Is that like a diagnosed Can I diagnose myself? Not a lot of people make me laugh? May mean like when you're like scrolling and you see

people's like stand up, you're like not feeling it. No, I hate to say it's a talent, so I admire it. I'm married to a musician, so I like, I respect the bravery, but I just feel bad because I can't fake. I just not I can't fake laughs or a lot of things, Heather, But I mean, I think stand up is, you know, an art form within the umbrella of comedy, and so like you might be someone that like absolutely like love you could watch twelve episodes of the Office,

that's all that's comedy. That doesn't mean you don't like comedy.

Love comedy, you don't like the you're just not overly attracted to like the art form of stand up of like storytelling and joke telling and like seeing just someone alone with a mike who's your favorite by the way, um, you know it's like my inspiration was Rosanne and writer Romano and people like that, because that's what I saw when I was a kid, even before they had their big sitcoms um where I was like, oh my gosh, because they talked about their life and could tell stories.

So like those are probably if you saw old stand up of them, that's like the more similar of how my stand up is, Like I just tell you know, I'm not like booom boom jokes. I just tell stories and there's jokes within the stories. That's my favorite. Like that's what I love about Like Sebastian Maniscalco and Nap like those those two are like my favorite guy comedians because they're just like I feel like there's a there's always something like about the I love the story and

then the enjoy Yeah. Yeah, so I think I think it's fine if you're not like a stand up fan. It's like I don't. I grew up like doing musical theater and stuff, but like I don't go to musical theater events, Like I don't seek out tickets. I don't because they're given to me the front room. But even even sometimes when somebody does invite me, I find and this is being totally honest, and I do feel like

a a less cultured person and many it. But I find like you looking at the you know, the brochure or whatever, and you're like, when is the how intermission scenes before the intermission and the whole Thank god after intermission it's shorter and you're swallowing your yawns, like Ben Affleck, we've got cameras on you. Yeah. So it's like and then people are like, I can't believe you've never seen Hamilton's and I can't believe you know, And I'm like,

I don't know. Every time I go to New York, I always was performed myself and I but I'm like, well, maybe maybe if I had to spend like a month and a half in New York, I think maybe I would go to shows and maybe I would really get back into it. But like it's just one of those things that I don't spend my free time looking at. I remember there was this one guy story that he was into, like he wanted to take me out on a date and he was a Broadway actors, Like, I

can't do it. I just because I'm not a big again broad with like I'm I'm looking for the words the intermission, like it's just doesn't excite me. I'm not I don't love brought like shows that are like that or movies. I just don't. I just not my jam, not my thing. And so I was just like, I can't. I don't even want to entertain in a date with you because I know that I had to be driving to these things and I wouldn't. So I'm just gonna swipe right, We're gonna keep moving if I can't do this.

I went on this painful blind date once um painful, and the guy took me to stand up and I actually really enjoy stand up. I just like, I just have to I hate this, but I have to pre qualify almost because I just don't want to be like I don't look like a bit either, you know, like I don't have suit like oh good, you know, like I've never eye rollie. I'm just kind of like it just takes a lot to make me laugh, I guess. So he takes me to this like horrible blind date.

He orders electric lemonades. I'm like, I'm drinking blue kool aid. I'm like, I shouldn't even probably be drinking maybe twenty and I'm he's getting hammered, and all he keeps doing is go he's front row. Howther I wanted to die? You just kept going, that's how hilarious. Now that's hilarious. Like if it's hilarious, you'd laugh, you jackass, like me out of here. So for a long time I had PTSD because I'm like everything smelled like an electric lemonade when I would go near a comedy club and I

couldn't do it. But I'm back. We we actually got to go see here and that was exceptional. And a comedy club experience has its own fun because it's like or not in your case, like like because there is food in there's drinks, because you might get someone wasted, you might get a heckler, you might and they might do a lot more like crowd work, and some people really love that, and people stubble it on a Saturday night, even if it's a big headline, they might not know

that person. And then there's the level that unfortunately I'm at, and and a lot of other people that are you know, big people where you do a theater and you could have a drink, but people aren't coming around with chicken wings and and so I definitely think then and the people all came to see you, so they're that much boring aged And when I talk about I still will like give a qualifier of like so my husband Peter, like I'll still explain, but I really don't have to

because like every single person knows my kid's names and this and that. But I still do for like the person that brought their friend who didn't know how I was, that exists. So there there's that. It's a it's a different experience, like you can experience the stand up differently depending on the venue. Do you ever try the jokes on your husband? Um? Well, you know with the podcast, Um, I do so much stuff on the podcast like every

week and that is really not prepared at all. And then there'll be something where people will go, oh my god, that story about that, what happened to you this weekend was so great? And then I'll just kind of go over to my notes section of my phone and be like I should like expand that or punch it up or like that could be a chunk later in my you know, stand up kind of the way I do

it now. Yeah, I think it's funny about that dynamic is there's nothing worse than when you're in a fight with your husband and then they either say something funny or you say something funny and you don't want to laugh because then it's like you still haven't really nailed your point in with the fight or the argument. So it's like and then to laugh, it's like all right, then we're good, you know. So it's like ide all over again, and that's exactly what's happening. But just I

could just I don't know. For some reason, I just like picture being in y'all's place and then like if you guys were into a fight, and then because obviously you're hilarious, and then him not wanted to laugh, but yeah, well he one thing I always say, like we get over stuff really quick, that's great, and but I don't think I'm going to in the moment. I'm like, oh my god, if there were cameras here ever, we would definitely be on my side, like you're on an awful person.

And then and then like with like you know, within ten minutes or something, then he comes back in the room and he's like I'm like, he's like a psychopath, like that comes back to the room and it will be like, hey, like with the dog or something and then just acts like nothing happened. And I'm like, I guess it's just just like our weird own dysfunction. Like you know, sometimes people's relationships work because they don't go to therapy. You know, none of us would know about that.

We all go to the same permit. No, But I think if if you don't hold onto resentment, it's fine. If it's if you hold on the resentment, that's that's the issue. But if you're able to actually let it go, then that's great. Because this like backhanded thing where he comes in and it's real tender, and I can, like, I can feel something's come, like a closure is coming after a fight. And then he'll go, I'm sorry, we fought.

Kind I'm like, well, that's not an apology, you like, you know what I mean, that's what what isn't say? I think that is to me. I'm like, let's see, he's acknowledging and he's sorry in front of everything because he didn't apologize, like I'm sorry we fought. And I'm like, well, there's just no ownership in that other than the collective is sorry, I'm sorry we fought too. It's always for a time, right, Yeah, Well it's I was like, you might have more hanging fruit that you would like to

have him. Couples that go to the therapist is what I'm trying to I agree a couple of therapy wasn't great for us. So I guess if both of you are totally down to like go, I think it's great. But I do think sometimes and this part, you know,

I don't know how anyone would feel like that. I don't know what I've ever said this, but like sometimes I think maybe not over like analyzing that, because like if you did, it was like, oh my god, you know he's not respecting you and this is awful, and like you cut him to kick, you know, kick him to the curb and get out and everything. It's like, I don't know, like then, and then I remember when we didn't We really haven't gone much at all. I think there's only been two stints and it was like

three times each. But I remember I was like, we just have to go, we have to go, and then my friend was like, well, just get ready because like it turned out to be your fault. I remember when the first stutch happened in therapy and all of a sudden, I felt a little too against one, and I was like, no, no, no, no no, no, no no no, this was supposed to go. I didn't. I saw it going differently. You know, I have foundership pieces a real bee. Yeah, I I hear,

I hear all all, all three of the ladies. I think there's a good, healthy mix if you can communicate good, get some good tools from therapy. But by dissecting it so much, it can be destructive too. And then like you're like, oh my god, yeah this is miserable. What am I doing? Okay, So twenty two years and you're still in love? Do you have any advice for all of us? I'm divorced. I'm also divorced. I'm on my second husband. I'm feeling decent about that. She married for

fifteen years. Wait, you were going to get a divorce. I was. We were getting divorced. Told our children we were getting divorced for about three months and they got back together. But they meant it. They didn't just tell them we were getting divorced. Is like, where is the end button? The leave for this meeting? I always think it was so kind a great when people would you know, when you eat someone and they're like, so my parents got divorced and then like years later, like now they're

like they got they got remarried. Like whenever you hear about that, like there's like they were gone, they were broken up, their divorced for ten years and then they got remarried. And then I'm like, you don't thing about that is as the kid, I hate to say this, but it was your fault, like you were the lass. I do. I do love you, We do get along with those awful little roommates we had all those years when my childhood trauma of my parents get divorce is not going to make me go back and lets the

only way they get back together they remarried. Then you have to look within. We only took three or four months, so I'm safe, I think. Obviously I'm kidding, but no,

that's that's great. I mean, I mean, my my advice is my advice is if you My advice is if you, if you do feel like it's not right, like get out quicker than later, especially if there are no kids, even if there's a house like just you know, because if you want to have that, you want to have that opportunity for another big love or marriage in your life and the longer you wait, I mean, I do feel like there's a window of of breaking of getting

divorced and still having a really significant second marriage in your life and having like a significant step parent to your child whatever. And so I mean it's it's important to try really hard, but like at the same time, like rip off the band aid because you got to waste another ten years. And it's and I also don't think there's much to choose from. And this is awful too, but I don't think. I don't think there's much to choose from after fifty because everybody is divorced and fucked up.

So it's like and a lot of those a lot of those fifty year old guys, these like you know, can get like a thirty year old if they have a couple of bucks or if they're not even looking for a young girl. People are like, oh my god,

he owns a home. So now this fifty year old guy that like barely got laid in college and was married to his wife for thirty years is now just like the siege with girls on the apps that want to come over and suck his dick because he's got you know, a garage attached, like and you're like what and so you need to you need to if you're young, you need to try to hook someone good. And if you hook someone that you thought was good that's not good, then get out and find someone better because it's just

not it out there. Well here here's what I'll say though, because Britain cheating a blowjob, hand drab lover so much. I mean, think about it, like if someone is if a guy is divorced over fifty either he was an awful husband you know that got and he got divorced, or he's or he's broken because his his wife was awful. Now were they both equally? Do get it? Got divorced? And how the greatest post divorce relationship possibly it's it's not as likely. So you're just kind of dealing with

another dude that's like a little dub. So if you like the one that you're with enough, just know, like like if the demons aren't that bad and he's just like burping and not being romantic, I would say, don't divorce that person, like he's cheating in a drug addict but I got that, but like but like just being like god, you know, like you really don't see that interview, or you're not that great, like let it go, you know,

it's another day. Yeah, you can say something, or you can try to change your reaction to see if he'll change. Like I definitely think changing your reaction will get a bigger change out of your partner. Then you're talking about wanting him to change, like if if he was doing it's something I mean, they're they're still the guys are

still teenage boys. Okay, that's what they are. So sometimes there's that thing where he's just doing it to get a reaction, like as if you were his sister or something like just being annoying and as soon as you like and be like god, damn, what why are you doing?

You know, Like, but if all of a sudden you're just like I don't care, burp your hat off, like I hope you broke out a party and everyone else thinks you're gross walking like like that walk away, chances are like the begainer might change because you're like, god, you weren't like this, you know, the first six months of us dating. Yeah, I don't remember my husband chewing the first six months, but now it's like here, So it's a little frustrating because you're out of the highlight reel.

Yeah you know, yeah, Like I'm in the highlight reel right right now with my boyfriend, like everything everything he touches, too, says, I'm just like it, like I'm saving airplane tickets and like, you know, it's like I'm I'm in that face booking. But I like plotting now because we're having popcorn and watching Netflix and I'm like, does it. I'm gonna get you a straw. I'm just gonna chew it like a

baby bird, and we're gonna end. But there is something to be said though we're but there are some but there are some couples that really are really romantic off the start and that's their love language and it can really last like that. There. I mean, my sister and her husband are still very there twenty five years. They're still very very romantic, and he's still the same way he was in the beginning, and like, look at your sisters and she gorgeous and like that, and my husband

is not like that. But then there's there's things that my husband does that she wishes her husband would do, and read contracts. He can like took a part of barbecue and fixed it like that, like he was doing that, and I go for one million dollars. I wouldn't be able to figure that out like I was, like I would, I'd just be like forget it like I. You know, So there's things that everybody is different. And you you may not have a really romantic guy, you know, and

you just might not. But if that's what you really need a relationship, then that's what you should seek out. But you might laugh your ass off with him, still have good sex, but you know, and you'll still get a card in a present, but it's just not like complete romantic and then other people you'll have that and it will taper off, but you still might have a good relationship. It's like you never know. Well, Heather, thank you coming for coming on and sharing all your insight.

We're going to listen to the Juicy Scoop because it sounds juicy and you're hilarious. So thank you so much for coming on. Wine Down. We really appreciate you. Thanks, have a good one. Thanks bye bye. D Did you guys see him grab the spider by the way, Yes, yes, st Set Sara text me and choice Jean, I don't really know if that's like a that's like a positive thing. She's like, he just grabbed it with his hands, and

I was like, well, i'd rather him. I thought. It's mainly to it's like, let it know, all that's amazing. What's hard for you? Baby talking to he know something about the chewing murderous thoughts. When people chew with you, it's hard for me. Ice chewers are hard for me to sorry, I remember, and I will not choice keeps around. It's interesting because I don't know if it's him sometimes if it's just what are you with the kids, Because when Jolie chomps, I'm like baby mouth, so I'm on

her a lot. I don't like chumping out as much as I say, I don't want Legend to ever get married and leave my house. I do need him to get married, and I don't want his wife to hate me because I didn't correct his chewing. So I'm breaking the cycle. There's difference in chewing and smacking. There is chewing is just chewing, and it can be very annoying. The smacking. I cannot take my father the way he eats an apple. Yeah, it's almost like I felt it

down my spine. Right when you said it. It's really offensive to me, and I'm a pretty patient person. I feel like, so you would kill your usband over smacking h Yeah, It's like there was one time was like is that cereal? Like why is that so? And it just feels so aggressive potentionally does it when you guys are fighting? No, And now I now I've actually feel like a total be I feel like I bullied my own husband because I feel like now he picks snacks based on there so that's sad. Or time he's like

he's like trying to dilute the pretzels. He's he's there for about like, oh, I'm sorry. He lets the pretzels softened in his mouth first saliva before you can actually choose. He really, I just don't see you as a person getting annoyed by a lot of I in this episode. Thanks for some reason, I don't really buy a lot of things. I mean, I clean toilets, I throw it's drink. He's at their house, that you because you're just with

them so much and because you do so much. I also think by the end of the night is like literally the only time I have Yeah, so then it's like trying everything gets cozy, and then all of a sudden, I just hear cement, cereal or a granola or whatever. I'm just like I I'm not a good Christian. Well, you know what, let's go get on a plane. How about that, I'm gonna snack that ice right in your beer. Next week, rive through Sonic with your slow roll, big

juicy ice. That sounds so good. All next week, we got some big news coming for you next week. Nice,