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back to work and matching in our Jeane jackets. And then all of a sudden, no, it wasn't actually all of a sudden, we go home and then you know, I'm unfortunately I look at my comments and sometimes people can be really mean, and usually I ignore it, but I was so and I remember I came to you and I go because you said what's wrong? And I looked kind of sad and said, people are body shaming

me on my Instagram. That photo, he's like, which thought I was like, the photo of us back to work, and you're like and and so I started to get really upset because I was reading this comment, especially from this one lady. I'm not going to mention her name, so I don't want to give any more attention than she's already gotten. But she basically was saying a few things. Um. I looked at that. I that I had a tummy talk. She's like, well, that's what happens when you're a celebrity

and you could have a tummy talk. Um. What else did she say? Well, that's what happens when you have fortunes and you could have a private chef. Um that I faked my pregnancy that Um what else that was? That was too thin? Because you have money, you can afford a trainer. Yeah, I can afford a trainer every single day. Um. And that basically I was I was too small post baby, and I was like, I'm getting

body shame for being too small. It's like if I would have posted so anyways, Then after that, I started to defend myself in the comments, and so I thought, well, we need to defend ourselves on this this platform. Yeah, absolutely, and you did. You did a great job in expressing yourself in your post following well, and I had I wanted to post a photo of the full image, and

I'm so glad that I didn't. I mean, I ended up showing a photo in my stories of the full image because you know, my my girlfriend Sarah Bryce was like, you know what, let's start a movement, whether it's you know, postpartum is beautiful, whether you recover fast or you don't, you know, don't recover as fast. And so I but I cropped the photo at first because it's like, I'm gonna get shamed for being too small, too big. It's like everybody's bodies are different. Why am I getting shamed

for for bouncing back quicker? You know? I think I think the most infuriating part of all of that is, Okay, if people want to comment about someone else's body whatever, people are always going to do that. But the fact that she wants to stereo type and jump to conclusions that you have a private chef, you work with a trainer every day, you had a tummy tuck, and all these outrageous things. Yeah, you have a chef. His name

is your husband. Me. When I'm not cooking, you're cooking, or it's Postmates or yeah, or we're fortunate to get Hello Fresh every now and then. But we cook and you work out with the trainer, yes, when you can. Well that's the thing too. I was like, man, I started to think back on how many times actually worked out with Aaron. It was maybe once a week maybe. Yeah.

And the thing is too, it's like, because you took care of yourself during your pregnancy, you didn't just sit on your ass and just you know, feel sorry for yourself or anything. And some people during their pregnancy they can't physically do anything, and that's okay, but you had the energy you had, you have the determination to get up and do something, and you want to bounce back quick afterwards. That's why you work your ass off, You eat great, you work out and all that stuff during

your pregnancy, and you reap the benefits afterwards. Again not saying that everyone has to do that, because some people physically can't. Just like you in the first trime, master you physically bear, they could get out of bed. Yeah, and there's our baby. So yeah, there is a family affair in here today because we're all upset about this,

and just leave my wife alone, leave people alone. And it's not even about like sitting on your butt, because it's just you know, Mama Training always said, she's like, you have an excuse to be able to eat whatever you want because you're gonna get big. But with this pregnancy, I ate so much different than Jolie. With Jolie, I had pasta and and and um potatoes because that's what I craved. I didn't crave any of that when I

was pregnant with Jayce. All I wanted was salads. So, you know, it's you're just getting shamed for working hard, which is so ridiculous, Which is just the whole thing about people on on social media and all that they want to hate on people and everything. Guess what, I guarantee people that hate on other people aren't successful in their life and they wait for things to come to them when hard work is how you get things done, whether it be successful in your career and your personal life,

with your body, whatever it is. You're getting really heated round. Yeah, because I wanted to defend you, because this is it's bs that someone attacks you like that when they don't know at all how hard you work every single day and how hard you did work during your pregnancy. So it's unbelievable that people have the audacity to say these kind of things. I know, Jolie, I agree with you, honey.

It's it's crazy. You know. It infuriates me though, is that people think we're just like loaded for first of all, there it's like if I, first of all, we don't have enough money to get a tummy talk, even if I want to tummy. I'm not saying we're you know, we're you know, we're we're we're comfortable, but we also che and we're comfortable. Yeah, but we also don't know what next year is gonna hold. You know, nothing in

our businesses is guaranteed. I don't know if I'm going to ever book a movie again, our TV show, or if if my music you know, people will buy it, or it's this podcast is gonna I don't. We don't know, so we have to really we can't do extravagant things and people think even sweet are are you know Michelle who helps with Jolie, she was. I laughed at the

comments about the personal shop. People think that you have all this money, and it's like it's again, it's another stereotype where you know, when I was playing in the NFL, people just that don't know, automatically think you have millions of dollars. We're living in a square foot house right now in Los Angeles. It's not it doesn't look like that, like just because you're an entertainment and I would play football, and now we're doing this. It's like, doesn't mean just

money just falls off the trees. Remember that, everybody else? Remember that one comment we got on Instagram, They go, Wow, your house is so dot dot dot normal. I'm like, what is it supposed to look? Yeah? Again, people have these perceptions. Not granted, we go back to Nashville, our house will be a lot. Well, it's because it's the Nashville and but again it's more affordable there. Yeah, and which is why we're moving to Nashville's because we can't afford a house that we need in l A. So

that's why we're moving. We don't have the money to have a personal shop. It's so ridiculous that people just jumped to these conclusions. And it's just like why, Like, again, haters are gonna hate, They're gonna say the things, and most of the time it is because they're miserable in their life. Come your honey, Joey is having a mess. I just that's okay, honey, we're all upset. I just wish that women would support each other's bodies. Oh geez, Louis,

can you headphones? You want your headphones? You want? You want your headphones? Okay? You want to tissue? Do you want to starburst? That'll keep her quiet? You want your candy? Okay, you want I'm doing you a game. I just wish that women would support each other and not body shame, whether you're too thin, too big, too whatever, or it's like, man, you've been you look this way ten months postpartum or

one week postpartum, how dare you look too good? Well, my friend Katherine, she goes, how dare you look too thin after giving a birth? How dare you look too fat after giving birth? It's like you can't win, No, you can't. And it's just it's unfortunately, it's just women that shame like that, that body shame. You don't think guys do not each other? No, you don't think so at all. Guys don't body shame each other. And why

is that? I don't think the how a man's physical appearance. Unfortunately, for women, it's there's more of a pedestal on how you guys are supposed to look, where men there's not. There's not a stigma like there is for women. And that's just generations and generations of how society has been and perceived men versus women. So men don't body shame each other. I really don't. I sometimes have body envy, Like I look at you know, Lauren Bush now and I'm like, God, you're so thin and you're so fit.

I wish I looked like that. But then I'm like, can I give myself a little grace? I just had a baby, even though I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, this is not how I look before a baby. So it's so I get depressed. I have my hormones going through my body, but at the same time, what I just went through is a beautiful thing. I'm

a mother of two. My body is not going to most likely look like that, and right, but I mean, I've always kind of had a little bit of a you know, a pooch in my opinion, and so but I'm but I'm just saying, like it's it's you know, I do have sometimes have body envy, but I would never shame someone for looking a certain way, you know. It's just it's really sad that women do that. And I just really hope that women can just have grace

for yourself. You're not going to look the same as somebody else, and that's what makes us beautiful and different in our own personal ways. Absolutely, and that's okay. Yeah, people are seeing to calm the ft down Onto wind Down, wind Down with j Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. We're out of the house. I mean, I just feel

so relieved sitting in the studio again. It feels like it's been an eternity since we've been in here, I know, And it just feels so nice to just like this morning, I put on some makeup, I put some clothes on, I put on deodorant, I got out, I breathed. How did I say that, I breathed in the fresh air. No? Is that it works? Breathe breathed. It doesn't sound right, doesn't sound right at all. I breathed in the fresh air,

breathed in fresh air. No, but it was so like I felt like I was skipping out of the house. Not but I obviously I am so sad to leave Jason Jolly home. But at the same time, we haven't we haven't left the house in a week. Yeah. Well actually and was just to run out and get something real quick, but were out of the house. I haven't been out of the house, yeah, because I've had to take joulders because I was recovering for my c section, which, by the way, I just have to say, it barely

looks like you're pregnant, Like you're ever pregnant. The studio's ghost down today. But I was counting on a bunch of people saying that to you, because that's what everyone we say. It's like, I can't believe you just had a baby. Oh my gosh, Well I feel like I just had a baby, and my stomach still feels incredibly cut up, like I just had a baby. Well, you

look amazing. Thanks by um. I just have to say thank you to every single one of the wine Down listeners for being so incredibly supportive about our last podcast episode when we well, I've recorded the birth of Jace. I, Michael and I were listening to it in bed that day and I made you turn it off. You're embarrassed. I started crying. I was so embarrassed. I was like, I knew that we were obviously doing a live podcast, but I didn't know that we were keeping everything in Easton.

I didn't know you were keeping in me like vomiting. I mean, I was vomiting on the table that's that's visceral stuff. I like, was there, right, But then I'm like when I was going no, no, no, no, Jane, Jane, Jane, No no No, I'm like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. You know how many people probably feel so much more comfortable now with their experience or going into their experience because they know someone like you has been so open

and vocal and vulnerable about all this. Knowing that stars they're just like no. But I literally made Michael turn it off. I started bawling my eyes out, and I was like, I'm so embarrassed. Everyone's gonna think I'm crazy, and I just have to say I have just been blown away by the support, and selfishly, I don't feel as crazy now because a lot of other moms had the same issue as friends of yours that you didn't

even you didn't even know how to kind of experiences. Yeah, like, oh, I you know, I didn't feel anything up to my throat or I was puking too, And I'm like, really, like, so I again, I just said like ten times, so I'm gonna stop that. But I just I'm so grateful and I just can't thank you guys enough for making me feel a little less crazy and making me feel like I didn't look at that. I don't have to be embarrassed. I'm not going to listen to it. I'm

not going to finish those things to it. But because I remember it very vividly, I don't want to have to relive it. Yeah, I know. So I'm not thinking I'm proud of you. I know a lot of people are proud of you. And I mean that takes a lot of a lot of ways, a lot of lady balls to put yourself out there like that. So you did amazing. Can we just say, real fast though, how it was my idea to do the sweet messages to each other? Yeah, let's talk about this. Well, no, because

I just feel like so it was my idea. I was like, hey, babe, I think we should I think we should say like sweet notes to each other, like right before. But when we separate and I go into the operating room, we leave a message for each other. And so Michael gets all the credit because he left me the sweetest voice memo and I had no idea that I was when we separated, that I was going straight into the O R room. So I just trying to say face right now and say that it was

her idea because I was just extremely thoughtful and super sweet. Crap. I'll try. I don't just do my bunder here, honey, he goes, well, I don't care. It makes me look better. Right before the episode, before we listened to it, I go obey. By the way, I didn't have a chance to say, you know, thank you to Michael for being but I'll do it right now. Michael, I just want to say thank you so much for being the fast

nine months. You've been incredible and I'm so proud of you and i just can't wait to have this baby boy. There go, thanks so powerful. Yeah, so um that happened. But again, I just can't thank you guys enough. I don't feel as crazy, and I'm just really glad that, um we did that. I am glad we did that. But I'm also glad that we have Amazon Fire TV, yeah, because we've been inside all the time. Yeah. And with watching we can watch movies, TV, YouTube, I mean anything

we want from Netflix to Prime Video, Hulu. I mean, Michael, you can even stay up while you have Ja's for the nighttime feeding and you can do you can watch a makeup tutorial. I'll pass on that, but I haven't catching up on my shows on Netflix while I'm up with our child. But it's so great though, I mean it's it's it's easy as saying, hey, Alexa, open YouTube. So it's incredible. Um, head to Amazon dot com slash

wind down again. That's Amazon dot Com slash wind down to order a fire TV of your very owned and they make really great gifts too for the holiday season. I was thinking, yeah, maybe for your brother. I like the work. So we have two really really great guests today. I'm really excited because one was the original Power Ranger, which you kind of wanna. That was in our notes

that she was the original Power Ranger. But you you you're calling not she was on Power Rangers like Lost Galaxy, which is awesome Nerds like you guys are the biggest nerds ever, Like, that's not the original Power Ranger. I'm just saying, if you're going to use the word original, original, was like, but she's original, She's still a Power Ranger. You want her to show you the moves. I want to know how she did them all? Did she do her own stunts? Yeah? How much martial arts? Did she learn.

I mean, I have no idea. Hey, do we want to talk about that. We've had your parents in town for the last week. I'm sure it's been awesome. It hasn't been able to sleep. It's so funny though, how some people want guests after babies and some people don't. You know, yeah, there, Yeah, it's two different mentalities. I know. I'm very curious how people handle because sometimes you know, in laws can be overbearing, parents can be overbearing in general.

But I think it's been great though. They've been really good, are very helpful. Yeah, it's so much so that now we're like, my mom's gone, my dad already left, my mom's gone, and now it's like, wait, we don't have a third person to help pop out, Like what do we do now? What's the best thing about having jays a son? Right now? Oh? Man? I think you know, I've said this numerous times to you and to other

people that have asked me. I feel like there's something to be said for when you have a child that is the same sex as you. There's a little bit more initial connection, there's you know, there's I feel like

there's a little bit more responsibility. So I think just like I told you the other night when you're like, why don't I come get you in the middle of night, because I was like, I even though he was like five days old, I felt like we were bonding, you know, and that's just super cool to have that feeling already, let alone when he can actually interact with me and do those things. So I don't know, I just think it's it's just cool. It's just feeling said I didn't

have with Jolie. Not to take away from Jolie, because I love her just as much, but it's just there's something about it. Yeah. I told Michael in the hospital. I was just sitting in the hospital bed and I saw Michael holding Jason. I said, not taking anything away from Jolie, you were great, But I said, but you

are so much different with this, with this birth. I don't I I think some of it's because you're in a better place and you're healthier, but I also think you just have, like you said, that connection, not that you didn't have the connection with Jolie, but you're just so much more present and that helps you better with

maybe the connection. Yeah, there's no question. I mean, it's you know, I don't know what percentages what how much of it is just my mental health and where I'm at now and my life is a way better than where it was when Jolie was born, fortunately and unfortunately. Um but so I think it's it's a mix of too.

It's I'm I'm in a better place now and also because he's my little boy and there's just an immediate connection as opposed to Jolie, where it's like, yes there's a connection, but it's my daughter as opposed to myself. You know, I'm not saying putting one above the other at all, And it's just I think anyone who has multiple children and of different sexes, I think they can probably relate. It's funny. I want to talk to the

We have a therapist calling into Dr Dale Saltz. Yeah, and I'm curious to see if i'd like, I'd love to talk to you about the postpartum depression and and what's kind of normal and then what's just like your hormones balancing back, because even just after the after the birth, I mean obviously I've been crying at the randomest things, like you cut that lemon perfectly, Like I mean crying from that too, you know, am I depressed it, you know, do I feel depressed? Do I have this the same connection?

Because I think, you know, I had obviously such a huge connection with with Jolie, and then when I had Jason, again not saying I didn't have that connection, but it was just from surgery and all the medicines. And then you start to compare, like, is this the exact same how I felt with Jolie? Oh my gosh, is it less? Oh no, do I not have a connection? And you start to freak yourself out that you're it's just so different, I know, but it's it's amazing how our hearts have

grown in the Yeah, that's funny too. How literally the night before we're looking at Julie Wick. How can we love another human being as much as Jolie? And immediately as James comes out your heart, you know, it's like the Grinch like gets sometimes big, Like in a matter of a second, he's so perfect love and already we love him in so much, but in a different way. I know, he's our little boy. He's so handsome, he's so handsome. He might be cuter than Jolie he was.

I'm just putting that out there. I think he might be a cuter baby then Jolie, which is crazy to think. I can't believe you didn't say that. Jolie is like perfect, she is, he's handsome. I don't know what to do with his peep though. It's like the balls and the you know, having to wipe around the ball like that's a lot of Like you guys have to deal with that. You gotta wipe your balls like that. I mean, as a grown man, I'm not pooping in a diaper soop to get all over my balls. But yeah, and you

gotta be careful. You can't, you know, you gotta. I don't know what to do with it. It's just so like flimsy and just the balls yet no grow he's had him. He's had a boner, Yeah, a little baby browner. Stop yeah already, No, that's disgusting. You can you can barely tell because it's like whatever, you just you can do all the diaper changes because I know how to deal with the vagina, so I had to learn the

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They're the best. Allright. We got Dr Gail Salts on hold. Later on, we're gonna have Serena Vincent, who is a former Yellow Power Ranger and also is pregnant and doing ten weeks. That's crazy. I can't wait to talk to about that. I tell her all about the horror stories about how amazing it is. Hey Dr Gail, Hi, Hi, how you doing good? How are you good? Good? We're so happy to have you on the phone with us. We're happy to be with you. Um. So, Michael and I just had a baby. We now have um we

now have two beautiful kids plural. Yeah, so we're dealing with that right now. Anxiety, pressure, stresses, expectations, you know, the whole nine yards yeah, Well, having a newborn is stressful in many ways. Even even joyous things can be highly anxiety producing. Question um, especially with the lack of sleep. Something happened the other day where I wanted to express my feelings and Michael I didn't think that I needed

to express my feelings. He goes, this isn't and express your feelings conversation, and I was like, excuse me, Like are you saying my feelings don't matter? He's like, you don't need to express them, and I'm like, I have to express my feelings. I was like, I'm hormonal, and I just say what I'm gonna say. But it's because, you know, he was He's tired, and he's like, do

we really have to have this conversation? Like, I know what you're gonna say, but I needed to get it out, and I know I was sleep deprived to I mean, how do you how do you navigate being sleep deprived, being hormonal, having two kids, one screaming and then one sick. Well, well, let me just say that, you know you you are very recent so the first you know having um. You know, sometimes it's called baby blues, but baby blues doesn't just mean blues that means like labile boes like up and

down or irritable or anxious. Um are is is a real phenomenon that's exceedingly common. I'm not talking about postpartum depression, which is also one out of ten women, but much more common is this emotional ability and anxiety and moodiness and and teeriness. That's the real thing. Um, and it is hormonally mediated. And um, you know, I think just knowing that you knowing that, like you knowing that is helpful because it's it's not such a it's not something

you necessarily have so much control over. Um. Yeah, I mean I don't even feel like I have control over I'm like why, I'm like, I feel out of my body. It's some of these you don't because you don't have so much control over it. That being said, um, there are there are things to do to help yourself a little bit in the moment. Um. Definitely having a little bit of scooped out time for anything that can be relaxing to you sometimes believe it or not, that's a

little bit of exercise which actually helps regulate your mood. Um. What whatever you're able to do, VISA, be your doctor, you know, whatever they say is it's okay to be doing. But something a little even a walk, um, can be helpful. Listening to some relaxing music for a little while or watching a show that you enjoy, something where you get like snippets of a little bit of relaxation time is a good thing. Um. And being able to talk about

your feelings is is a useful thing. It definitely can make you feel better, even if in the moment apparently it's not making life feel better. You know, understanding that actually that is helpful. It's helpful to her, and in the long run, let's be real, it's helpful to her, it's helpful to you as as we like to stay around around my home. If the mom is not content though, no, but you con so you know, so sore, there is

something to that. Sleep is important um, and it is hard to get for both of you, and sleep depervation

for either one of you. But even if you're not mormonal, Mike, um, sleep depervation definitely increases irritability and anger and UM and and stress and depression ultimately, UM, So it is important to if you have to take turns um catching up on sleep to allow the other one to do that if you if you need to get some outside support so you can get some sleep, whether that's a nap or you know, being able to sleep you know, in a little bit, or have one time where you aren't

getting up for beating, etcetera. Um, that's that's really that is really important. Um And frankly, others think pretty much everything else doesn't matter as much of pretty much. You know, how lovely you look, how well grews you are. I'm talking about this first month. You know, how how much you you do things with other people, you know, those things, um, you know will will kind of fall by the wayside

as well. Sadly, like, um, you know a lot of sexual stuff falled by the wayside in the first month because it is so it's physically taxing and it's hormonally taxing. You know. It's funny too. I I think I didn't really mentally prepare prepare myself for the aftermath because all you know, the previous nine ten the previous nine ten months.

You know, it's in my head, it's like, Okay, be patient, she's pregnant, she's doing this, And I feel like maybe as soon as the baby was out, I was like all right, well you're not prey anymore, Like let's do like what you're good like back to like teamwork, Like it sounds bad, but you have two legs at work, like let let's let's do I'm not saying about extreme, but maybe a little bit where like okay, let's do this teamwork. But so I I will call myself out

and I can reassessmentally. You know, it's really common when you're how old is your daughter? She she'll be three in January, so you know, you it's it's three years, Like, it's really easy to forget what it was like that first month. And that's that's mother nature's way, that's our brain's way defensively of a not of allowing our species to continue on, because if you could remember every single one of these things as vividly as they are in

the moment, you would not have more kids. So actually it's actually really important that to some degree what we we painted with rose colored glasses and and you know, retrospectively and so actually you probably don't remember, but it probably was like this the first go round. This is harder because now you have three year old also, and so you're it's not like you can hand one, you know, the baby to one and the others off. You know, you you're sort of double teaming, and that's that is harder,

more stusful. And you've got to deal with your daughter's feelings about having this new interloper you know, in your lives, um and and so it's understandable, but you didn't remember, and it's wishful thinking and understandably had to that it would just go back to the way it was before she got pregnant. But but it really isn't like that pretty much for anyone, even if you have supports, but

makes use of support. This is where grandparents can make a big difference, um of taking a three year old or even taking a baby for a little while um or you know, if if you could afford some some extra health, that's obviously a big, big plus UM. But being able to have someone an extra pair of hands and and may even even more like a mind, an extra mind in there that can offload you in the beginning, UM, so you can sort of at least physically physiologically recover

for sure. You know, now that we're growing our family, doctor Gale, you know, something that will come up as we continue as the family grows and so on and so forth. Is obviously this time of year holiday stresses, right, debating where are you gonna go for Thanksgiving? What are we gonna do for Christmas? Where our families growing? We want to start our own tradition, how do like, what's

the best way to navigate navigate those things? When you want to start you own traditions, but at the same time, you want to be with the rest of your family, like you know right, well, um, you know I I would say you're going to make compromise. And I mean the word compromise is really the name of the game for just about everything. Right, your three year olds not going to get as much as they got before. That's going to be your compromise. You know, the baby doesn't

get to be first born, that's they're compromised. You guys are gonna have to do lots of compromising. And the same is true here for when you start thinking about how do you build your family unit with the traditions that you're going to want to have, and at the same time, you know not well, part of the traditions

they're probably going to include other relatives. The problem is is our family doesn't you know, my families in Michigan and his families in Virginia, and you know, I have a very strong opinion about Christmas, about you know, starting our own tradition, and so you know Michael does too, but he also is like, Okay, well, you know, we need to go home sometime. But I'm like, but I

I just I never got to have that. Yes, I woke up in my my home, you know, for Christmas, but then I was pulled every which way because my

parents were divorced. And it's like, I just want my kids to be in their home on Christmas morning and just and almost have the Christmas is that I didn't get to have, you know, and and started and but I like, did you did you have that kind of prisms to um, my parents have been together for thirty plus years, and so I woke up and it was every year, you know, Christmas Eve was my dad's side of the family, Christmas Day was my mom's side of the family, and it was pretty regimented. And that's the

one holiday that was pretty consistent. Thanksgiving kind of fell off later in life, but Christmas has always been more of the constant. Now with cousins and relatives scattering all over the country and being older, it's it's not the same. But as a kid, I mean, have great memories of Christmas because it was the same thing every year. And so would your parents come in for if you if you meet Christmas in your in your home, would your

parents come in for that? Or that won't work because there are other siblings And yeah, right now, no, because there's other siblings of a younger brother that's you know, finishing up high school, of her sister that lives a state a state away, and and your mom likes to have you know, she likes to keep everybody together, which is amazing. It's a great it's a great thing that she wants to try to have everyone. Yeah, it's one of those things where I want to start our tradition

at home too. But all I'm saying is eventually, like it would be cool for the kids to be like, hey, we're going to Grandma Grandpa's this year for for Christmas. You know, it's true. When you when you when you want, I will tell you it's a wonderful families to have their own traditions, and a tradition doesn't necessarily depend on exactly where you are and there's obviously you can build in other things like we always it doesn't have to be like it's here. Um, we always open things this way.

We always have whatever popcorn around our tree. We always have whatever it is that you could make up that could have to do with decorating, baking, But you know, it's just about anything, um but building it picking picking a few things that you feel like you're in a year out you'd like to include. Um, it's definitely a nice thing and does build those childhood memories and stealing

a connection of home. Um, but home being your family, your nuclear family, and so your nuclear family doesn't have to be in your house per se, but it could be. You know, we always go to this place and that is our family. I want it to be in our house. So the thing is I was going to say, so the question is, you know, what do each of you have to come, you know, together and say I think the three most important things to me about you know,

forming our our nuclear tradition would be ABC. Hopefully you have some that overlap those obviously rise to the top of the list, and the ones that don't that are different, Why do you want them? Why are they important to you? Um, what kind of compromises can be made if we do like the day after Christmas we travel the day after Christmas to go there, or like does it have to be for Christmas for you? I don't know. I mean that's something that again we know that obviously this Christmas

were here. Next Christmas will be our first new house and Nashville, so we're going to be there and then what happens after that, who knows, We'll figure it out, but we know the next time. I want to know now, So that's going to say. So one thing I hear you're saying, right, Jann, is like you're like, I want to know just will always be and you know, you know that that is fueled by the feeling that you

never knew where you were going to be exactly. And that's where I'm like, I almost want to cry because it's like I already feel that anxiety of being like pulled on the holiday, and it's like what you have to remember is that something that's fueled by a trauma of the past can make it feel like that's really dire in the current or disaster will happen, and for you as a child, that wasn't disaster your parents divorced, and you know, if that felt disastrous, But that anxiety

isn't necessarily rooted in the reality of today, right, it's from It's from before, and you're putting it on today. And if Mike understands the importance of continuity and he feels the same way, he wants traditions too, and he wants continuity with his family. Two, he wants all the same things. Um, you will feel less anxious if you're able to say to yourself some level of um, hey, this is about what did happen to me, not what's going to happen to me. But here's here's the problem.

I totally hear you. But what I hear when Mike said what he said was that we're doing Christmas. And you know, because we're living in l A right now, we're going to have Christmas in our house in Nashville. But after that, when he says that, we'll see in my brain what he just said to me is every year after that will be in Virginia. No, not at all. But that's what I I'm just saying, like, and I know that's not what you say. I'm just saying what

I heard. And that's where my anxiety was like, but I need you to tell me that then every year and then maybe one of those years will go like that's here's here's what when. So when you're having this kind of conversation, right, do you want to say what you what you said, and then you want the other person to be able to say, I heard this because just what happened just now. This is more about a couple of therapy. But actually a couple of therapy is

really like the most important one. You've just had a child. That's like because it brings up all these things from your own childhood. When you have a child, you hearkened back to all those childhood things for yourself, how you want to be the same, how you want it to be different, etcetera. And what you're nervous about. But you heard might say something you didn't say right now, yeah, when you can tell him that's what I heard, and

he says, but that's not what I mean. What I mean is it's it's hard to know exactly for the next one a year, exactly where we'll spend every Christmas. But I also want, you know, continuity, instability and etcetera, etcetera, And definitely some of our Christmases will for sure be at home, but I want, especially with my parents, that what you want, I know. I'm like, I'm having anxiety with Yeah, I think it's what you want. Some of the Christmas to be home, or I want majority of

them to be at our our home. And then every other year, every every time years. I don't know as what I'm saying, I don't know. I'm just I don't know. We have to discuss it. But I'm saying we're discussing you right now is eventually my parents are going to move out of the house there and they're going to downsize,

and then we then we won't be going back. And as the kids get older, I definitely don't want to travel with them, And I don't want to travel the day after Christmas because I don't want to have the anxiety of our kids. We're leaving tomorrow, like on Christmas Day, we gotta pack and leave tomorrow for Grandma Grandpa's right, But then we're spending all this money shipping everything back and I don't I just I don't want to. I don't want to do it every of the year. I'm saying,

I just don't want to do that. But you just said, like that's what you were thinking, and I don't want that either. I'm just throwing that Jesus Christ. Okay, So this could be a very productive conversation if you each give the other a little more time to say, so what you're feeling. So like Jenna saying I would really want to feel that most of our Christmas is would be in our home, and Mike is actually saying the

same thing. Doesn't want to be nailed to the wall on it, because why Mike, what what do you feel nervous about? Um? I just I don't see why we're three years out from us even potentially going back. I don't we might not ever go back. Who knows, we have like, we don't know what in three years what things are going to look like. And maybe we're just

both you know what, We're just gonna have Christmas here? Sorry, sorry, you know, sorry, guys, if you guys want to have Christmas like, we would love to have you down here, and we have plenty of room. Maybe this could be our tradition. It sounds to me like Mike is more concerned with feeling that he doesn't have to make a promise that is iron tight, but that do you feel also like most of your Christmas is do you want to be in your home? Yes, but you don't know

like your parents could move, they could not move. They could in the next three years. So much is going to change with Jane and I career wise, with with my family back east, with what they're doing, with my brother going to large of my parents potentially downsizing because

you know they're going to have a mike. You're speaking of objectives, possible facts, and uncertainty and Canna, who has come from an uncertain background and is week's postpartum in what I am, and and newborns bring uncertainty of the wazoo with them, like right every day is uncertain who knows what's you know, like the baby will be await, the baby asleep, but poop it won't it be it won't it? And so she's at a time where it's

particularly hard to manage uncertainty. And maybe it's not even her foretake even what has happened in her past um for really, what you guys are talking about in terms of factual stuff, you're not really on a different page. It's the it's the emotional, the valance of do I get certainty or don't I right? And it's the verbage and vernacular that isn't matching up with what Jana wants to hear. But the concept is like I can't breathe when you said every other Christmas, Like it makes me

have so much anxiety thinking about that. So what you have to know, Janna, is that he is not saying it will be but he said those words, but he also said the words, maybe every Christmas will be at our house. Yes, we'll say that. What am I supposed to do with that? Then when I hear one thing and then I hear another thing because he's telling you that he what he's really saying is I can't predict

the future. But basically, I want most of our Christmas Is to be home, but I also want to acknowledge the fact that there is uncertainty in life in the future. That's where he's coming from. It feels to me that you want either one of two things. You want me to say every Christmas is gonna be at our house or tell you exactly what you were going to go back to Gene. When I'm all I'm saying is we

don't know. Don't ask me three years out. I'm giving you both responses because I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen, Like Dr Mike, Mike, would it be hard for you to just say to Jenna, Um, I'm listening to you. Do you want to know that we're building tradition and tradition in our home and that most of the time Christmas will be at our home with

our traditions. Do you that? Yes? I do, but know in Janna as well as I do, because she is my lovely wife, she always takes it a step lower where if I say that, then she's like, that's but how many years? Most of the time, No, that's not true.

That is absolutely true, because when you said those two things to me right there, I said no and no. What I would have, what I would hear is if you said just what Gayle said the majority of the time, I want us to do, but it would be nice every once in a while or every you know, again, don't give me a year, but just maybe you know, I don't even know the right verbage just because you're you're very hung up on a promise of the details

and what I'm saying. What I'm saying is um, it's in those promises of details in the future, which has to do all whenever you're talking so far out and you have and let's let's be real, right, you can't know that far out, So there's going to be a measure of uncertainty. People who are anxious, and Jenna has every reason you're just struggling with anxiety right now, really

have difficulty with that. So what I'm saying too, is, Jenna, when you get that surge that you're talking about in your body, that feeling of I've just heard that, you know, when you get that, you have to identify that for yourself as anxiety. That doesn't mean that what he's saying is really the problem you. It's you have anxiety and that kind of content of the uncertainty of the future

is tripping it off. And I feel like, because you do hold on to exactly what I say, that if I give you an answer that I'm unprepared to give, just to either a peasy or whatever. And then the conversation comes up in a few years or next year, you're like, but you said that we would never go back, or you said that we go back not this year, but now you want to change it like I can't take you for your word because you said this, but now you're saying this. I understand your fear, but that's

I'm I'm not going to do that. I just don't want to hear the what you said every other year. I just can we just say the majority of the time, but you'd love to go back sometime The majority of the time, Christmas will be at our house, but I would love to go back to Virginia at some point in time. Thank you, Gail working our Where can our listeners find you? Where can I find you and then read more about you and what you have to offer. Sure, I have a website www dot gail fat dot com.

I tweet which is at Dr Gail sault um and EID one of those places they can ask me questions. They can find me um. I loved your fift people. I definitely try to if you tweet me and try to answer your questions the best I can. Well, you're the best, and you've saved Christmas in our household, So thank you. We really appreciate it. Give yourselves some TLC this month and and you'll see as as you move out of months. One things to get incrementally a little easier.

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being ten weeks away from having a baby. Boy, you are so tiny for having the baby six days ago. So good. I like to say, I'm taller, So this is what my mom tells me. So there's more space for it to go. You look beautiful, you know, thank you. You look stunning, You're glowing. You and you're ten of weeks away. Yeah, I'm ten weeks so hate it's crazy or left eight weeks away. I'm thirty two weeks. Yeah, that's amazing. I feel great. We were just talking about

this outside. I feel great now. Um, how's the pregnancy been For the first fourteen and a half weeks? I had himesis. Yeah, I had to vomiting sickness, I was bedridden. So I got somehow I got through life, but I don't remember how. I don't need. Did you to get ivy s No? I didn't have no, so I was not as bad to you, but no, but still it sucks. Yeah, it's it's really bad ful. Yeah, and I thought, um,

when did your's end twenty two weeks? Oh my god? Okay, well so mine was mine was fourteen and a half week. But still that's it's awful, isn't it. It's awful. But it's gone now, it's gone. Now, yeah, it's totally gone. It's totally gone. And I can eat food and were you with everything was disgusting to you, right, and food

of everything, everything everything. My husband's just like, okay, yeah, I have empathy for your boyfriend because that's I mean, an empathy for obviously you guys and you going through it, but no one talks about the guy on this end. But I have empathy because it's it's hard to see your significant other in pain like that and such discomforting for him to try to take care of you when you're feeling that missable. There's literally nothing that he can do.

He actually had a broken leg at the time, so we were just like this disgusting mess. Like we were this disgusting mess just on the couch, like like I was puking and I was like trying to help him, but like I couldn't make him food because it was just it was it was crazy, and we like postmate something and then like I tried to eat it and then throw it up, and it was just it's just so crazy how you forget the feeling because now I

don't even remember what that feels. No, I know, I don't even remember how, you know what I realized what I didn't do anything that was like fit fourteen a half weeks like, I didn't. After I got through it, I was like, oh, there's like a weird stock of

mail here that I didn't see. We're being evicted from see. Yeah, So Serena and I were just talking about the fact that she you're doing a doula, so you're like a birthing like in a bath So I'm having my Yes, I'm having a natural birth as long as everything is healthy and continues to be healthy, goes well. So you know, so that means no up, no, but Gerald, no, you're

not in a hospital. So I could have my midwife come to my house and and Dola, they could come to your house, or you can choose to do it at a birthing center, which is basically you just you just go to their office and they have a bathtub in a bedroom, in a bed, and you're The cool thing is is that everything. If everything goes you know, well, um, you you're not strapped table, so you're free to labor,

moving around and um, eat and drink. You don't have to have an IV you can really, um, you can have all the lights, all your music on, like like your your hero. No, see, I don't think that at all. Like I disagree because I knocking wood, you're so strong. I've never be the epidure, even though it made me crazy. But no, I've never knocking We been in the hospital. Have only been the hospital to like to take care of sick people and family or whatever. So I may

to tell you what a contraction feels like. It's like someone stabbing you in the stomach, think with a really sharp knife. Okay, okay, it's right. What if God God forbid anything negative does start to occur? What's the plan if you need Okay? So never the couple that right before they were doing a home birth, because they walked in and she said, and he goes, are you guys, But I didn't say, I have a schedule C section,

And then he goes, we try to home birth. The couple of that were right in front of us and we were going to the hospital. But they ended up at the hospital because I think I think she labored too long, is what he had said. That can happen, Um, that that can happen. Um. So right. So, but but there's as you know, there's like time in labor to be like, Okay, this isn't going. You know, this isn't going how we wanted to go. You're not progressing or whatever,

and now we need to do these other things. This woman, it's the Natural First Center and UM and right across the street from Theaters and the midwife. Her name is Simona. She's amazing and she's delivered over ten thou babies and all of her grandkids and she's amazing. I just I envy you because I have so much anxiety that that would bring a total crazy amount of anxiety to do that. But it's just I wish I could do that. I wish I could have your just it's going to be beautiful.

And but see, like we all have anxiety, right, It's like my anxiety is the hospital. I started off exaters with with an obie and I would I was like in the elevators getting like I would get nervous when I was there, and I didn't like it, and I was like, why do I know all this stuff? And like why do I have I have duelas and midwives and my family, Like why why am I not doing

what I want to do? And then I just like laid in bed one night and like went on YELP and found this place and I'm so happy that I that I did. And we were doing like this like hypno birth thing classes and it is sort of like it does feel like very The kind of hypno birth thing is that birth is an extension of your sexuality and of the connection between the two of you, and how how you made your baby is how you're going to get your baby out, so you can because sex

doesn't douce labor. Oh my god. So I don't know if that will be happening. We'll see. You're like me, not like active labor, but like like like having like sax and like the baby like not an active labor, but like so it's supposed to be helpful to induce a natural way to induce. So this baby is a miracle, though I think I believe. I mean, so I were told that you couldn't have kids, yes, so this is interesting. Um, it was the same and bless her. She's a wonderful doctor.

But um, doctors don't know awesome. So I was going through a divorce. Sorry, I was going through a divorce, and but two sides said sorry, question mark, like we're happy that you're You're good. Yeah, taking you back in the story. I was going through a divorce and I just thought, maybe I should like do that test to see what your numbers are, to see what your levels are, to see if you can get old. Were you at

the time MT seven? Um, they're six or seven? And I was like, I'm fine, I can get pregnant in two seconds. And I did that. I took the test, and then I was on the pilot. I was shooting the pilot of a Disney show that I just that we just wrapped stuck in the middle where I play a mom of seven kids. Oh my gosh, and so the first time I've ever been able to play a mom at all. And then the role was like really special to me. So I'm on the side of the pilot.

It's lunchtime, and my doctor calls and she said, um, we got your tests back. We need to aggressively try to get you pregnant right now or you need to freeze your eggs because you probably won't be able to have kids in the next year too because of your eggcount, because because of yeah, the numbers and your fs F s H levels and all that stuff. And I was like, aggressively,

try to get me pregnant right now with who? And so, you know, at the time, I was like I wasn't fully divorced, but we had been severy long enough that you know, I was dating, and it's like I'm just supposed to like pick somebody, you know, and now, and then you turn into the crazy lady. It's like iraduating you know, friend in dating, you know, And it really

messed with my head. So I went to UM. She referred me to a fertility clinic, and I went through this whole process, and I went to these seminars and I went to this doctor and they they give you this, they give you that, and they do a transvaginal you know, ultrasound and then you know, on a certain day of your cycle and count how many follicles you have. And then then he was like, yeah, you these are your numbers. This is what this is. You're probably not going to

be able to conceive naturally. This is what you need to do. You need to freeze your eggs. And then I realized I learned that freezing an egg has only an eleven percent chance of becoming a baby. We've done IVF twice, so you know all these things, but I didn't know that fact though, So say that again. So freezing an eggs only only has an eleven percent chance of being a baby. Freezing an embryo, which is what you did, has a lot. There's a lot of success there.

So I was like, what it didn't work for us? Though it didn't. These are both that you end up getting after both babies came out a month after. If that's miracles, I don't know if I needed like some of the medicines from but continue, Oh my god, that's beautiful. Well it's very it's the same, it's like the same story. Um so I well then I then then I was like that statistically doesn't make sense, and they said, you're right,

Um then you should. You should. Your your odds are better if you freeze an embryo, and like, well, like when I need sperm for that? And he literally handed me a bind durst and I like that's broke down into yours. And I was like, like, like a romantic not nothing against that. Open it. You didn't push it right back. I would love to see that there be like h that guy. Yeah we could and there are a lot of women to do this, and obviously it's

a beautiful thing and it works for many people. Yeah, but where just who I am and where I was at the time, it broke my heart and well to be especially because you want to be a mother, so you're told that you can't be mother. It's like there's so many women out there, they don't even want to

be moms. I have kids and we're like I want to be a mother, Like I'm my purpose on life is to be a mother, and that you're told no, it's like it's that's heartbreaking, right, And then which was And it's also like you know, hundreds of thousands of

dollars and all of this stuff. And I was like at the time, I was like I said, I was going through a divorce and I was, which makes it I was sort of like the setting my whole life and like I feel like the universe, God, whatever you wanna call I was like, all right, we're going to take everything away from you. Until you get divorced and then we'll put it all back together. So like I was, I was doing the pilot for Stuck in the Medal, but I didn't know if it was going to get

picked up. I was waiting tables. I was like back waiting tables. I was like waiting on Jamie Pressley, who I was in not another team movie with. And that's a real story. And this is the first time I've said this on It's so cool. On. I was, you know, I was still working, but I was like trying to keep my life together. So I was like, this isn't this isn't going to work. This is I can't I'm not freezing and every I'm not freezing as I can't

afford it. I can't. I'm just, um, I'm just going to choose to not believe that this is even real. And I I sort of battled that um And for the next few years it did make dating and that tricky because I had this fear in me um that one and the countdown too, like ever going to be a mom Yeah, So UM, I just sort of like let it go and I wanted to try UM with my boyfriend. Now. I was like, how long have you been with your boyfriend? We've been together, Um, one day.

It's um, it's a long, complicated story. But love company here. That's a whole long story. Yeah, it's it's a it's a good story. Is gonna get married? Um? Probably yeah, but I feel like it all there's so much happening that, like, and having been married, I don't feel like I need to do that before we have the baby. Also, like, so you guys were actively trying that we were not not trying. Yeah, And then I was like, I want to try to have a baby and he was like,

oh yeah, we just hadn't gotten there yet. And um my show ended and um we went to Italy for five days and I made a wish in the Trevy Fountain room. Stop you want to get pregnant? Fled a row. I ate a ton of pasta, and why, like the time of our lives and pregnant? Did you the whole time? Did you mentally, even with all these hurdles medically in front of you, did you just still just believe that

it was possible? I didn't, Like, I just like made a very clear decision that I am not going to believe that I can't get pregnant naturally until I actively try and and then I've since heard many a lot of stories of women that are around the same age seven that their doctors are scaring them and telling them they might not be able to get pregnant, and then they go through all of this stuff and it's like

they haven't even tried. Well. I will say, though, to act as a medical people, they they after thirty five, I mean, your number does diminish huge. Like my girlfriend was going to freeze your eggs. She went in at thirty four, she had, you know, a plenty of eggs. She went back thirty five and a half, she had like six eggs and there wasn't no point to free because they're going to be gone, so I mean almost nothing.

So it's just drastically dropped. So that's why I you know, But at the same time, again, if you just never know. But I mean, look what happened. That's some miracles of childbirth and life in itself. I just but I loved and you hate the playing god thing too, Yeah, yeah, but I love Serena's your optimism and decision to not believe that yet even though you were told. I still think the mind is a powerful thing if you just

if you're optimistic. Now, if you just sit there and not proactive and just believe, oh, this will happen to me, you still got to do something about it. But the fact that you actively try with your boyfriend, you're optimistic that you weren't going to let the door shut on you. I think there's something to be said for that. I love that. I love that aspect of Sure. Yeah, it's a great way to obviously see things, especially because most of them would be like the stress put so much

stress themselves. Then you can't get pregnant because you're stressed. To me, if you're thinking the whole time, I'm not gonna be able to get pregn I'm not gonna be able to get pregnant, then you're just telling yourself your body is not going to react. If you're it's so much easier done. No, I believe that. But but it's more than just that. It's in life in general, with things you want to accomplish or whatever. It's things that

you want to do in your life. If you're just if you sit there and doubt yourself the entire time, of course, nothing's going to happen. You doubt yourself. I totally I totally agree. Yeah, you're putting like you're sending conflicting messages out there. I want to try to get pregnant, but I don't think I can, you know, And I tried to. I did battle it and like it was like it was it's a battle. And then I came to the decision if I can't get pregnant naturally, then

then that's okay. And then I got there. Then I get to be a mother in like this different way. Like I've got kids from all over the world that are like I wish you were my mom, you know, in like all different countries and languages and everything, just being a TV mom and um, I have a huge family, and I you know, there's there is um there is no limit on like the love we have or the love we can give. And look at you now anyway, Letty, you're ten weeks away from having a baby boy, so exciting.

Are you and your boyfriend lived together? Yes? Okay, yes, you have names like going back and forth. We're going back and forth. So I don't want to say my mind. What do you name your baby boy? His name is Jason Ja. It means healing, He's been very healing for us. Yeah, he's fantastic. We do have two babies. We have a three almost three year old little girl, the three year little girl. So did IVF and then it didn't take. It didn't take, and then the next month got pregnant

with Jolie. Did IVF again because we had an embryo leftover from the first round, and we got pregnant. But every time I would get pregnant, I got. I got pregnant both times with the IVF, but then lost it very soon. It was chemical com so, but then the next month I'd get pregnant. Yeah, so that extra little dose of hormone or whatever. Then, yeah, I did. Being on Stuck in the Middle, which has been a hit show,

you and for Disney. Being on that, did that, you know, increase your urge to want to be a mom or is it were you the same like you always wanted to be a mom no matter what, Or is just being that mom role and being around kids where you like, I have to be a mom. I've always wanted to be a mom since I was a baby. You know, since I was a baby, I wanted a baby. Um um. Being on that show, I had no idea like how trans it was transformative. It really was like I really

like I love those kids. I still love them and they and like we weirdly feel like a family. And so it didn't necessarily want to make me want them even more. It just, um it filled my heart in like this other way that I didn't realize could happen. Um at a job, you know. Um so and all the kids were like you have to be a mom, like you have to give the best. Yeah. And then you like hear the needs you know from the doctor,

and you're like it was a weird thing. And then they all call me mom, like on set it was a weird moment in my life that I was shooting this pilot and they were like mom, mom, And my Dactor's like, you know, yeah we did three seasons. Seasons that's awesome. Yeah. Um this little guy I know. At all time, I'm like I can't really audition right now because I got I had a baby, Yeah all right,

I have a baby in my billy. So um, I was hiding and quite a few auditions after the show wrapped, and I was like pinned for like all these different things, and then it just came down to It was like, wow, I can't really you know, you know, I was just do a movie in Thailand and November and that's not that's not. So what's your biggest issue with your boyfriend? Because we like to talk about our issues on the show. So what do you what do you guys usually fight

about the most? I wish he was here because we just we just got into an argument about the holidays, um with a therapist on the line before you came in. So interesting. UM, but I'm curious, Well, tell us that you guys fight too. Oh yeah, we had. We had a holiday fight. Yeah. Yeah, his families in Oregon, and um, our plan was to go up there, drive up there.

It's like ten twelve hours for Thanksgiving, and I was cooking and all of these things, and he was like leading up to it, I was like, okay, all right, so we have to like figure all this out right, like like what like we need to make sure that we can get like the turkey that I want, which is like an organic whatever turkey and in this small town, like we're gonna get and like and we need to pack this and that we don't have all of the things to make things giving to we need to like

pack like a platter, and like you're trying to per and like I'm trying to like and he's just like to do like on another like not and and at one point a couple of times he was like, oh god, I don't even want to go up there. We had to go up there for something else, and then like that didn't happen, and and then he was sort of like he said a few times, he's like I don't even really want to go. I think I want to drive to all hours. Pregnant, right and cooked your family

figure all this out? So you are you are frustrated that he wasn't being president, and he also wasn't being helpful with it. Was like the night before and we had to go to some work event and it was midnight the night before we were leaving and we weren't packed.

All this stuff wasn't figured out, nothing was organized, and and I was like, let's go to bed, and he was like no, I thought we'd watch and I was like, we're not watching anything, no wet And it was fine, but I was like, nothing that's done, and I've been thinking about it. Where are you thinking about it? This is your family, Like you have to help me think about these things, like we're you know, I can't even get the platter down from up there. Yeah, when are

you going to do it? I think that's a man thing. Men just don't. Well, I'll say you're a really great planner, But I feel I feel as if sometimes guys don't have the because we're we're ten steps ahead of them, you know, so they don't have the Your timelines are usually sooner than ours. Granted the night before he should have been like, all right, let's let's grant out. He's like, oh, I can pack in twenty minutes. I said, well, I

can't pack into it. I also like, I've had this weird like pelvis hip issue, so it's so much better today, and um, but I've had to see a chiropractor throughout my pregnancy, and there have been weeks where I can't walk at all and I've been limping and and it's very painful. And this was one of those weeks were like I couldn't, Like I literally couldn't been down, couldn't. Yeah. I was like, well, I'm glad that you can pack in twenty minutes. Yeah, but I can't move. I can't,

so who's packing my bag. So for the baby, you don't have to set some real good boundaries with us. And you know what I did with Mike. I'll say I'll give him a list, and I'll say this by tuesday or by next week. You know, certain things I need him to get done around the house because I have because if not, I would get them all done today. But again I don't, or I'd get mad at him

if he doesn't do it today. But if there's a timeline in my head where I said, okay, you break down the boxes by the end of the month, he's great, you know, So at least he gets a timeline too, and then I don't get frustrated that they're not done yesterday, right, even though I would have done a yesterday. Yeah, yes, you know, we can't. We actually can't do everything. And brought up an interesting topic on the following week's show,

I'm so curious about your fight. I brought up the concept of why don't men ever give their wives honey to do with? And I amost slap him, yeah, and she kind of like, are you Yeah, So I kind of lost that cute because you'll you'll find out, Yeah, you'll find out that when you have the baby, your your husband's never gonna change out the clothes, but that they overgrew, that they would overgrow or is that the right grew or I mean just any of those things.

I mean we just we or the dentist or the appointments or you just we just do it, mean you just do them like yeah, but because we have the sense to like you don't have the urgency to do any of those things. Yeah, it's it's not that we don't think of them. It's just like your timeline that you just get it down before we Well, thank god, because Jason's nursery would have been you know, for example, I said, honey, would you like me to show you around Jason's nursery and let you know where all the

things are. And he's like, I'll show you. He's like, all right, it's over here. Either I go, nope, that's actually not where the newborn are. Okay, something came in. Any time something came to the house, I had to go in the nursery. She'd get it, open the box, take up the tags, wash her clothes, put it because I don't want to do like five loads of of of laundry two weeks before the baby's it's smart. I

guess who doesn't have a nursery yet? Yeah, yeah, it's your has and hasn't I mean your boyfriend hasn't not. Well that was another interesting conversation because I was like, at what point are we like, yeah, so no, he's now he's totally. He's like at home, like ripping out wires and like read moving things and like and and I was like, I want to paint. He was a brand to paint. I was like, there's this it's like ugly brown office colors and here he's like it's fine.

I'm like, no, one's not fine. Yeah, I want to paint. Just need Yeah, we painted, and well that's it. We're getting the colors. It's like grays and navy and wood and Silver's are fun. They're really found excited. We're moving to Nashville and we're building a house there. So we're I'm so excited to Jay's room. When are you moving next year? Yeah, we're excited when there. Before we came out here, we're down here like two years and with a growing family, we want more space and we're like

out here it's just too expensive. We're just like kids, and we're like, for you, I'm happy that you're you're moving. That's awesome. Thanks. Okay, so where can our listeners find you at? Serena Vincent on Twitter, Instagram, Twitter and Instagram above and yeah awesome. Yeah, well I'm We're so excited for you. Thank you, and please go on her on her little board socials and please wish her a happy, happy delivery. I hope it's cute. You don't have to go the hospital meat to you did not have any

that's your yes. Yeah, so we'll see how it goes. That's thanks, Thank you guys. Beautiful Serena is so sweet. That was super sweet. Yeah, she's really sweet. We could have just sat here and talked for you know, she's so beautiful. I loved her perspective. It's I'm just envious of people that can have mentality. I'm even envious of Dean, like how Dean went away for three weeks to where did he go? Eastern when he went to Japan and

most recently it isn't like South America South America. I am so envious the people that can just travel alone like that for for three weeks. You know how much anxiety I'd have the second I'd play I'm too far away from this someone. I don't know where to go. I mean, I just have such envy for people that can just go and you know, travel like that or do do a duala berthing and natural. I mean, I just like, wow, to have that anxiety free. But yet

her anxiety is a hospital. I'm like, give me a hospital, like I got all the people take care of me, drugs, to me, what's wrong. But it's just it's so funny, like how some people's anxiety is is what causes some people to have anxiety, right exactly. It's people's triggers are different for everybody. Yeah, you know, by the way, you know, we're going home, we're gonna talk about Chris when we're out of the room. I said, hey, babe, are you really serious about every other year? And you're like, oh

my god, we're three years away from that decision. And as you politely say, you said, we might not even be together. I was like, we might not even be together, so we don't have to worry about it now to we. I mean, I don't even I don't know what to say. I literally do not know. I don't know, I don't know. I'm sure that's it's gonna be my answer. Can we wrap this show up? We have two kids? Oh my god, we have two kids. All right, that was fun. Thank

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