Ep. 18 Will You Accept This Rosé?

too long. Yeah, I really do. I mean, is it just like the people like the like the actual like The Bachelor or the girls, or like who bothers you? Who bothers you more? The girls? Or the nobody bothers me at all? Nobody bothers me because I just don't watch it. But you know what the thing is is I love scripted TV. Do you think The Bachelor scripted? Scripted with with a storyline like crime or Okay, you don't like like like Sharper objects like she's drinking vodka

all day? Like that's interesting to me. Well, although they're drinking. They're drinking vodka all day too, they are and then falling into a pool. But I'm just so excited because I've I've watched most of the Bachelor, Bachelotte series or something that I haven't watched this because I couldn't either stand the guy or the girl. And then Mike's always like, oh, you're watching this again. But then he'll like walk past the room real slow, and then he'll be like and

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great way to start a conversation. Right, you guys, we have Chris Harrison on the phone, and I like the the the Chris Harrison. Hey, Chris, you're in studio with me, Jen and my husband. Hi. Hello, Hello everybody Hello, counts that are out there. I mean, the better not be a fake, this better be there was better to be the real Chris, because we want to we want to ask you like all the all the goods. Um. Jen has never watched a Bachelor episode, like ever. I will

excuse her from the show. I do love you never He's never watched it ever. It's been on for seventeen years. It's seventeen years. Yes, seventeen years. You've seen a show it's been It has been on the air as long as I was married. Wow. Yes, well we all make mistakes, Um yeah, No. I have my son and all ferousness was six weeks old when I got a job. He

is now a junior in high school. So when he walked, you know, of course, that's a lot of the people have been around for you know, ten, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years on the show, and so when they knew my kids babies, and then they walk on set and he's six ft one and Big Old Junior and Night School. It's crazy to think that's how long we've been doing this. Did you think, like when you got that gig as you know, the host, did you think that it would

have this longevity that it has? No never you know, you can't possibly think that in television if you're niver stupid, because you just never know what's going to resonate and what's going to catch Because at the time, the Survivor had just started, so the whole reality thing really hadn't even thought fire yet. It was also new, and this concept was completely foreign and new, and so it was you know, you never know what's going to catch it. And by the way, not only will it catch and

it was huge for such a long time. But you know why it still resonates and why it continues to draw and an audience younger and younger, is you know, it goes against kind of all convention of conventional wisdom and television. Why is that, Chris? Why do you think this has been able to last so long? Besides you being the host? Of course, there's only one content, So I would leave. I would tell my agent to sell the network. I think it's about and take it a

little cheesy. It's about that one thing that we can all relate to everyone under. Yeah, it is. It's companionship love no matter where I travel in the world, where you guys go, you know, it's the one thing that kind of connects as ault. We all get it. And the other thing is the show remains fresh because of

the bat. Isn't that direct that we have? And so you know, the back if we had kept going with Trista, for example, who I love from sixteen seventeen years ago and she was the only one that we've ever had, well she's and I don't I don't mean to out her, but she's in her forties now and she probably wouldn't be considered as cool to the college kids, to the high school kids. But instead it's this new crop of back. Doesn't that tourette right? Who's your favorite bacherette of all

of them? Can you say that or not? You can't do that to me. I can ask you anything I want. I know, it's like who's your favorite child? Well, but you know I would go back, honestly just to you know, like a Trista, just because life changed so much, and

it wouldn't just be because of Trista. But because of how my life changed and the show was changing, and and and so much happened during all that time that you know, it's not that I'm not grateful now, but it was just a crazy experience to be a part of back that Chris, what is that conversation like when your son comes to you one day and says, ad, I want to be the next Bachelor. I think for him,

I'll never have to worry about it. I could possibly see my daughter, Taylor, who was fourteen, who was born two years into speaking of like things where I remember, um, Meredith, season of the Back Trette was wrapping up and we were just about to go out to the desert and go to Trista's wedding, and that's when Taylor was born. Um, so it's amazing that you know, my kids have grown up in this. So I could see my I could see my daughter doing it, and honestly, if she wanted

to good honor, just remember Dad's always watching. I mean that's got to be hard for you though, as like a dad, to like see some of these girls and then you think about your daughter. Yeah, it's just I mean, that's gotta be that's gotta be tough for you. I mean, do they really kind of look at you as someone that they can like a confidante on the show. Yeah, well then that's the kind of what I've grown into.

It's you know, my role has definitely changed over the years. Sure, Um, you know I started out really is just the whole and reading whatever lines they kind of put in front of me, and we're all making it up as we went. Now, obviously I've been around for seventeen years. I helped produce the show. I know it, you know, as good. It's not better than anybody else working on the show now, and so it definitely has changed. And you've earned that

respect with experience and time. So it's definitely evolved over the years. But you know, the funny aspect with my daughter is the conversation that it has kind of opened up. You know, she's at that age, she's fourteen, where dad wants to have conversations with his daughter, but it's hard because it's awkward and weird. But the Bachelor's kind of opened some of those doors to having some pretty difficult conversations.

I will use the show We'll be watching and I'll say, Okay, what do you, what do you think of what she just did there? What do you think of that guy and how he's acting? And it's fun to kind of allow her to talk about it, and she didn't really realize conversation. Yeah, we're a good way to use that

tool to open up the door. Chris, with your role kind of being more of a mentor now in these later see s. I mean, do you really find yourself pulling contestants aside and being like, hey man, stop being a douchebag. Or do do you encourage I mean, not encourage it, but you just let it happen because it adds to the show. I usually use stronger language than that. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. You know, it's a little bit of both. There is that fine line,

if I get it, where we're creating television. But at the same time, these argument beings and I do care about most of them, not all of them, but most of them, and you you do want to help them, especially when they are back or back Torett. I feel that they are kind of under my care. It's almost like a coach, you know, taking a kid to college. You feel responsible for those kids. Um, you know when that is the back toorette. You try and help her

avoid some of the pitfalls. Um, you know, I have to, you know, have hands off a little bit because we are creating a show and you want her to really experience some of these situations. You can't prepare for everything. But um, yeah, there is a certain sense of you know, whether I would like to say it's an older friend more than just a dad because that makes me feel really old. But I just I love that. But I gotta say I do not agree with the Bachelor choice

that they've just made with Colton. I just don't. I don't. Well, first, You're not the only one I've seen that I've I've looked, you know, I've looked into it a little bit about the kind of backlash for me though, I'm like, don't you want to test drive before you buy the car? Like you're you're talking about a whole different issue. First of all, I don't know which is great. I'm not trying to say like virgins aren't like whatever, but for me personally, like I'd be like, no, I don't want

to go on the show because I have to. I think sex is such a big I mean, if what if he sucks at in bed and then you have to be married. I mean right, and you you, I mean he's gonna lose gusto in the second and it's like, you know what I mean, like what if he doesn't know? And it's like then now you're now you're going to be married to that. But as a woman, you could be opportunistic. But I can mold him, but sometimes you can't. You can't. I've tried to mold like bad kissers. If

you are a bad kisser, you are bad. If you are bad at sex, you aren't bad. You're also you're you're opening a lot of different topics because I agree if you and it's not necessarily batist, but it's someone who doesn't blend with you if you don't have that chemistry when you're kidding. I'm a I'm a firm believer that just just cut the cord. You're done, done done, You're done done. You're not that there's something dramatically off now true, But what are they going to do in

the in the overnights? Are they just gonna hold hands? I like, what if we watch him lose his virginia? Lose it? Like I don't mean to be a creeper. But I'll watch that and just want to watch I'll watch that. Well, then maybe maybe you just reaffirmed our choice. I just feel like I will say this, like I'm not trying to talk bad about him. I met him. He came in the studio because he was he was doing another podcast with Ben, and he just seems like a baby to me. He's even like his face like

he's just a he seems very sweet. I think he I know he does a lot of good things in the community, but she just doesn't seem like a man to me. Well, I didn't you just I just I watched him on the BECA. He's not like he's not a man like Garrett was a man like Garrett like, and Colton was like just like he hasn't he doesn't have the life experience, Like who wants to be with someone that wants to like not have those life experiences and like have been in relationships and done those things.

I don't know. That's just me, But good luck to the women I'm with you. Look, I'm of a certain age. I don't want to date a virgin. Yeah, if you dated a virgin, we'd have major problems with you'd be dating the four year old virgin. There's a large misnomer out there. Uh, and feel free to back me up in there that you know guys like, well, that would be a dream to date a virgin. Like, no, it's not. There's there's a home list of complications that comes along

with that. But I think Michael, you could speak to this part where it's like, you know, he did say on the show too, where he felt like he had to like be like, yeah, I'm bang in all these chicks because that's like what locker room talk, and that's like that's not who he was. But he felt like in that lifestyle of football, like he felt like he had to like have that he might meet some he might meet a woman, hopefully he will on the show

that is also a virgin. I know I know one virgin and I love you because I know she listens. I'm not going to say her name, but she's in her early twenties, she's waiting until marriage. She's that's okay, that's great, But what is what is the reasoning? Yeah, you know, is it religion? Is it an issue from your childhood? Their trauma? There? Is it just to believe like there's a lot of different reasons, and that's really that's probably what I would want to get to no

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so can we switch gears a little bit? Um about because you are divorced. I am thank you this ship the show that well, yeah, like it was your wife like jealous of all these women that because I mean, here's the deal, if you know it is basically, if it's a bachelor, you've got all these women that are probably trying to flirt with you too. Oh my god, I thought radio silence. Wow, no answer your question. You know, we were married. I met my wife back in college.

We were old childhood sweethearts, and you know, we met we were eighteen years old and got married very young. So she grew up around the show, and she traveled, you know, expectly. Again we had young kids, and so yeah, they would often come with me when we were in Italy or France or whatever, and she was there a lot. And you know, when you were around this business, you know, like cuntry music or anything else, you realize it's not nearly as glamorous as everyone makes it seem. Obviously, Yeah,

but they'd be crazy not to start with me. I think that's what you were getting at. So do you kind of now that you're like single? Do you when you know this next season it's like, are you kind of like taking your picks too? For yourself? I always I tell the Batlors, I'm like, Okay, she's off limits. She's off limits, but everybody else, you know, I just I still limital stuff. Was like, man, she really just seems like a bit You're not you would saying some

stuff behind your back? You bet there? That's amazing, Chris. Do you you know you've been doing this for so long and you've watched all of these people fall in love or not fall in love. Are you do you go into a season intuitively, like with the gut feeling you're like, oh, so and So's they're going to be

at like that? Not you know, not anymore, just because I realized how bad I am at that and and my, my, my women's intuition is must be really bad because you know, you think night one would you would have a pretty good idea, um, and I will stay for the Bachelorette.

It's a little bit sometimes. I was going to say it's I think it's easier too for the bat because I knew day one, I was like Garrett so one, like, even before I read the reality Steve and all those like spoilers, I was like, I know, and even if Garrett isn't like the one, I knew he was going to be Top four. Yeah. Same thing with Blake, And there's just certain guys that really peak early. With the Bator, it's a little bit different, a little bit harder to

break down. And again there's always that one or two that will kind of you know they're gonna be around. But I think the potential for a dark horse is a lot higher for in the Bachelor. Michael was going to be on the Bachelor, But the Bachelorette, I think it's Emily season. Yeah, yeah, I was. I was still in the NFL and playing for Buffalo, and you would have been what his face this past season, where you like, what was his name in the first Yeah. No, no,

the other football player who actually got hurt playing fall. Yeah, I know. I direct message Becca after that, I go, were you really that sad that he left? I felt.

I just felt so bad for him. We're having this twof around football game, and you know the guy I think it's you know, he's one of those guys and Michael, you know, it's it's so hard to give it up and lea even even when you kind of deep down you know it's done, and trying to hold on for one or two more seasons, and then he gets hurt where I'm just like, oh God, Like on the Bachelor, that's what ended it. Yeah, how did how did you get hurt on the Bachelorette? Yeah? But you did. You

did your interviews and stuff, didn't you. Yeah? I did. I don't remember one of the casting producer, whoever it was that I met with, I can't remember her name right now. But yeah. We had a game actually, we're playing the Chargers and came out here because it's West Coast, came we came in day early, and they came to the hotel we were staying at San Diego and took like still shots they're like an on camera interview, and

I was good to go. During the off season, even the words spread quick throughout the team and organization where even had my coaches coming up to me like being all excited about it. And uh, I ultimately tore my a c l at the end of that season, so I kind of decided not to And my offensive coordinator at the time came up to me, He's like, hey, man, I'm really sorry you got hurt. I hope you're doing okay, but uh, I just want to know are you still

going to do the Bachelorette. But that literally came out of my offensive coordinator's mouth, and I was like, I don't know, probably not. They all wanted to buy Curious loop through you knowing what you know now thinking back, do you regret any decisions are not being on the bat to arette. I don't think Emily would have been your girl anyway. No, I don't like bonds anyway. But you would have been competitive and like wanted to be

the winner. I think. I think that's what a lot of the contestants just would have been, like, Oh, he's gonna be a top four. I'm very confident in that. Wow. No, but I mean even if I think if I was, because I've thought about it, Like when I was single, I thought about maybe like you know, either trying like I don't know, or just trying to be like one of the girls on the show. But I think I'm so competitive where I would even if I didn't like

the guy. I mean, like there's been so many Bachelor's that I've just not liked at all, but I think I would have pretended to like them more just so I could like be the winner. Is that you see that happening? Basically? Yeah, everybody I send to see it a little more honestly with the women than I give them that. Yeah, I think men are a little bit more cut and dry when we like someone or well, um,

and that typically doesn't change, you know. It's whereas women you can see a certain different side of a man all of a sudden, he can be sweet or romantic or whatever it is. Maybe it's competitive and and that those feelings can change. Typically for a guy, if you're not into a woman, usually that does not change, no matter what. I sometimes use the prison or deserted island analogy, like you're on a deserted island, only one dude. Suddenly

that guy. Yeah, especially if he's taking you to like funny and cool and he's taking you to eat the coconut and you're like yeah, Like that's what in an athletic world, that's what we called camp eyes. When you're in training camp for like six weeks, all you have is a bunch of testofer and the dudes around you. Then the first you're like, lunch lady. You see You're like, we call it. Do you guys know office goggles? You

know beer goggles? So office goggles is why everybody thinks like the guy by the copier is cute because you're in the office a bunch of trolls or the delivery man that comes. I heard listening to this right now. Do you enjoy Bachelor in Paradise like because you get to have like a vacation. Uh? Well, it is. It's nice being in Mexico, But it's actually a hardner show to shoot. It's a lot it's a lot more condensed.

They don't give us nearly as much money at Summer TV, so our budget is aller than we We do a lot more work and it's a lot more intensive than the backturm bat Torette where we have so many more producers and people and camera operators and crews working. So it's it's a tough shoot. But at the same time, yes, we're down on a beach in Mexico and it doesn't suck right then it's fun for me. It's back to paradise.

Is you've signed up for, you've come back. You know what you're in for, and so we get to have a lot more fun with us than than than than the first time around. With the back to bat to Arette. I mean, it was pretty coincidental that Colton broke up with Tea and then all of a sudden, I don't know, the editing was interesting for me. Well, we had to we obviously they needed to break up before we get announced.

We were trying to hold it as long as possible, but you know it's going to get out, and I mean it did get out, but um, it's you know, at some point we had to announce because we're we need to go to his hometown and start shooting the packages and let the other guys know. So it's you know, a luck goes into it that we kind of had to we had to kind of move it forward. So with all these with the Bachelor, with bachelorm Paradise, you know you're doing who wants to be a millionaire? You've

got your your brewery up in Texas? Like, how are you finding time for all of this that you're doing? Um, I don't I really, it's that's the longest short that I wish time for, you know, really in the time I want, I don't want for more business. I want for you know, hang out with the kids and watching the cross and going to sccer games and all the fun stuff that you know, this window of opportunity. And you guys have a young one, but you know my kids, you know, my son and two years off to college

and then you know a few more years. I got my daughter going off and then I'll have more time than I want. But right now I try to be as home as much as possible and and just hang out with a kid. So like this week, I have a couple of weeks before we go back into bathroom production, and that's what I'm doing, just making turkey sandwiches in the morning, getting kids dinner at night, and front around. Do you want to be married again? Like is that

something that you would want that again? No, it's not a goal of mine anymore. Um. You know, there's a time in your life when that's really importantly. I wanted to have kids, that wanted to have a family, and I had that, and I had a wonderful marriage as well for a long time, and got two great kids out of it. And my X and I are still very close. We lived very close. Um. But you know, the goal is getting married isn't necessarily there. I would

love to be in love. I would love to meet somebody special and spend time with them and being that committed relationship. If that turns to marriage someday, great, If it doesn't, I really don't care. It's not it's not a big deal to me anymore. Like it like it was because you know you need it for that stage your life. I call it goldie hont Yeah. Yeah. And and and they they may be onto something. It's not

such a bad thing. You can you know you're always dating and constantly, you know, putting forth that effort, and you know you're committed, but you also know that person could walk away at any moments. You better kind of feel like you're in the phase of like just like you just want to have fun right now. Um yeah, but I mean I think that has the I can just sleep around and and all that, and that's that's not necessarily a case like meeting someone would be wonderful.

And I'm always open to meeting somebody fantastic and have tried. I've been in relation since my divorce. They've just been quiet. I'm not a big, live out loud on Instagram kind of goal. But um, you know, if that comes across grain, I's not you know, that's the problem is that you guys just astutely pointed out. I work a lot, I travel a ton when I'm home a lot with my kids, So I don't have a lot of that to give right now. I don't have a lot of heart and

soul to just devote to somebody else. At this point, it's just not the time of my life. But if it comes around, you know, I always feel like I think something around. You make time for things that mean a lot to you. What if you went on the Bachelor, that would be the most watch season of all time? Would you ever consider that? Um? Look, as my mom says, never say never. There's always that would be so great. That's how you end the whole series. It's like the

last series. There's always the price tag for everything, right the man, I would be very clear that you know when when athletes go up and they signed their hundred million dollar contracts, that it's not the money. I love the game. I would just I would hold a press conference and I would take my five or thirty million dollars and I said, guys, I am doing this for the money. I'm letting you know. This is my Hawaiian vacations on I will never see any of you again

in about six months. Um. If one of you happens to win my heart, cool, but that's not why I'm here. That would be my toast on night one. You all seem lovely. I appreciate your time. If this works out, great is not. I have thirty million dollars in my life and I'll take you all the Hawaii. Um so, what what made you want to get into a restaurant, because that's that business is is crazy. Yeah, it's a really dumb decision. You don't like if anyone will tell you.

As my financial guy said, when I told him, he goes, what do you expect to get out of this? I said, well, not money. He's like Okay, good, as long as you don't expect to actually, uh, it was this weird in all seriousness. Is this amazing kind of timing. And I'm a pretty term believer in karma and timing. And I was home about three years ago, almost to them to the week my grandmother had passed away, amazing woman from Dallas.

I'm third generation Dallas and years old. And we were kind of reminiscing one night with a really good family friend of mine how I had grown up with, and he was he's an amazing chef, an executive chef, and he was talking to me about how we get his own place and starting up a restaurant and you know, this is what they're doing. And um, we talked and talked and he's like, you know, the more I seem interested, he's like, you know, we're actually looking for one more person.

He's like, you'd be kind of fun to do this with. And you know, a long story short, I jumped in it. Did you know what? It just makes sense, like you know, my Mi Mimi wouldn't have steered me wrong. Um, you know, I'm it's in which part of Texas is it? It's down down by downtown and it's a great little area called Trinity Grow. Do you ever make any appearances like when WHENNY Bachelor people make appearances or yeah, I was there for opening night and the opening night was insane.

It was a packed house. We have it's a working brewery, so we have our own bruise. We have this award winning brewmaster. We have this executive chef, Michael Weinstein, who's been down in Dallas for years. The men look fantastic, by the way. You know what they do that I love. And this is what Michael said, Texas, you know jealousy, didn't think too hard, but it's phenomenal. He does the simple really really well. And and it's a seasonal men.

You farmed the table, so it's a little bit different than your typical you know brou pubs or Castroom pubs and um and you know all the Bator people. The Elvedalas folks came out. Rachel was there and jo Jo and Um, Raven and Adam and Sean and Catherine and their fifteen kids. Fun. It was fun to see everybody. That's really sweet. Hey, when you're doing um, who wants to be a millionaire? Do you ever just sometimes look at the contestant and be like, man, you're an idiot

for like not knowing a question. You know, I think probably three or four years ago I did, but now I realized. And this is one one of my favorite lines and I spell it from my executive producer James Raley. If the trivia is only hard if you don't know the answer, And it's so true. If I ask you, you know, a country music question or Michael, a football question, you're like, really, you're asking me how many points a touchdown is? But if if you don't watch football, then

that is ridiculous. Then if I turn around and ask you a question about Shakespeare or geography and the Middle East, and your stopped. So it's it's really fascinating to me. And that's what's great about the game. Over fourteen questions, you're going to run into an area that you are just not familiar with, and if you want to gamble, if you can get by it, that's the big challenge.

But eventually you're gonna you're gonna get that question, whether it's math, geography, pop culture, sports, that is really in your blind spot. Do you feel smarter? I feel like you have all the answers. It's like Alex tra back in Jeopardy. It's I have definitely learned a ridiculous amount of odd, odd trivia questions. For sure. I'm a great person to have at a party now, Um, I can just start throwing out bizarre trivial notes. Um. But it's fun.

I mean, but there aren't times, especially early on, and I feel bad because look, the first two or three questions, you expect them to get by, and it's kind of set up to where they will get by, and you just get into the game. And when they get stomped on on the first or second question and there is a there's a massive clue, you know. You know, the

sky is what color? And it rhymes with blue, you know, and the questions are one, four, six and blue, and you're just like, why are you having trouble with this? And and but you look the lights, the cameras. People are nervous, they get in their own head. But it's those are the times when I just I cringe. But it's also good TV. You know, you had you were very um that one bachelor you did not like, and you were very vocal about that, and I loved that.

So I can't even remember his name Wan Pablo Wan Pablo. I just I'll never forget watch because I didn't watch the season because I thought he was an arrogant prick. But I just remember watching like the Final Rows with you and you like it was so great because you didn't like hide your disgust for with him, and I just I just want you to know that I appreciated

that well. And it wasn't that a I just lost a lot of respects to the way he was treating the women, in the way he was talking to the women, and you know, he was a little bit of a misogynist, sexist, and he you know, I tried to help him again, you know, giving him the benefit of the doubt. I tried to help him, and you know, like, look, you can't you know, maybe there's a language barriers from Venezuela.

These words aren't coming out like you think they are, and so I was trying to help him, and he when he started talking third person, That's when I knew we were in trouble. You know, anybody who starts referring to themselves by their full name, we were in trouble. You were in the most amount of trouble. Well, unless unless you're baseball legend Rickey Henderson, who famously was great at that. For Gretzky, who he can talk the third person if he wants to, like, I have a great one.

I know Wayne very well, and he would never do that. That's the thing, even even the great one would never say the great one on Ever, when one Paplo looked at me, is this one Pablo? And they oh boy, here we go. Yeah, I said, first of all, you've got to stop preferring yourself and the third person. What what? What? What? What does this mean? I said, Okay, well, now we need to back up. Do you need a little need a little English? Now you just need to learn? Um. Well,

I love you so much. Thank you for being so candid with us and open and honest. And I'm excited to watch um everything you do because you're killing it. And I will say to the people that are listening, when I met you, you were just so kind and present and sweet, and I just really appreciate that. Well touch of music fans, we stick together. We're usually good people. Heck yeah, perfectly, but no, I appreciate it. I love getting to know you and Michael. Hopefully something are pass

a cross, but I appreciate the time. I really always appreciate the support from you guys. Well we love you, and um we're rough back to your dog. He's so nice, he's so nice. I mean, I just couldn't imagine like being around those people, like as people, like all the people, they're freaking crazy, the bachelors and Bachelor at Yeah, Oh, there's just no way. It's it's the sorority house that I don't want to be in. Yes, but everybody's going

for the one guy. And but that's the thing, Like that's and that's another reason why again I couldn't do a sorority or the Bachelor, because I would just be the second I got on there, I'd be like, Okay, that girl is prettier than me. This girl, like that girl's funnier than me. And then I would just do you know they're all doing that, so I don't know. Some of them are so overly confident that they're like I am the prettiest one in the room. Well, some

of them. Number one is probably not number two. They are narcissistic in a sense and have tendencies and that's just the way their ego is. But I guarantee you of even the guys are and they're like, this guy's a dude, Alan, that guy might be some competition because we're competitive people and the girls are the same thing. So they put on that front, but you know, deep down inside, all those little feelings are coming out, Like I would have loved him in the Bachelor up maybe

I think maybe I still could. Well, if you want to come he's like staring at me right now, do you want to come on and being a contestant trying to win my heart back? Yeah, everyone will go to sleep and wake up next morning. I'm the only one stole a lot where people murdered in the best house, the best ratings ever. Okay, I got to talk about Third Love because, um, I'm we're actually wearing the bar right now. It's really comfortable. Um, they just they just Michael.

They just added twenty four new sizes, making them the industry leader with a total of seventy sizes. And what I love about it too, is because my breast shape is changing. Um, they do half sizes. That's so cool. Yeah, because sometimes you know, like right now, I'm I'm not a full double D, but I'm more than a D with my and by the way I've never been. I know. Okay, the second is Baby's out. It's going to be a

smalley again. Okay, they're going to deflate like balloons. Some girlfriends this weekend who I did not even like tee it up, who were literally ordering braws on Third Love and they were so pumped about the half size. The half size thing for people that are changing, it's like a game changer. Yes, no, I love it and it shows up at your door. And for me to like, I don't know what is like whenever I go into like a Victoria's Secret, I don't like having to have

this lady measure me. But they actually for Third Love there's a fit finder quiz so you get to find your perfect fit with an under a minute um and I think that's amazing. So cups from A through H bands up to forty eight and of women fall in between standard cup sizes. So again that's why they invented the half cup. Third Love knows there's a perfect bra for everyone. So right now they're offering my listeners fifteen

percent off your first order. Go to third love dot com slash Janna now to find your perfect fitting bra and get fifteen percent off your first purchase. That's third love dot com slash Jana for fifteen percent off. Is it weird to be a double D? Now? It is? But at the same time, I know they're gonna be o A. That's why I show them off when I have it one like, that's why I wear like low

cutting things. And I'm like, I've got boobs right now and the about eleven weeks I want to do when they were as that are like you're noticing or bumping into them or something. I mean, I know you've got your bellies. No, I mean I I do get and I will, like I said, I mean, you know, and Jen can't give me crap for this because she know she had her stuff. But I'm gonna I'm gonna get a I'm gonna get a healthy BC. Just don't do agenda and get it done and then come and be like, hey,

what do you guys think about me getting terrible? Okay, I guess I listen. I fully support you because at some point I'm going to get a reduction. So in your boobs, give me because I'm a double D. And it's the most annoying thing on the planet when you want to wear a jumpsuit or something. So listen, the trade off isn't always you know, everybody wants what we don't. I just personally don't like wearing bras, so but that's what Also, I will say third Love, they have really

cool bandos that I wear. So yeah, they've got like bando brawlets, which is which are nice because they don't have like the pads and wiring and stuff. So that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, what about you, Mike to wear bras Yeah? Oh um, we have been binging a show and I binged it when we were in Virginia and I'm absolute obsessed and I need you to start watching an asap. What is Ozark? Oh? Are you watching season one or season two? Well? I I binge season one and I gave Janet homework. I

told her at the beginning of August. I was like, look, season two of both Stark comes out August thirty one. I'm giving you a month advanced noticed to watch season one. She waited till the last five days of the month, but cranked about but finished season one within before Friday. Obsessed and then so now we're on episode we have two lefts. Okay, this is this is what I'm debating about Netflix. I don't personally like the fact that you can watch them all at one time because then it's done.

Now you have to wait a year. Yeah, that's what I used to do, great debate a month life right now gratification. But I want to be able to not have to. I don't want a bit because then it's like because you binged it all in the beginning, and then you kind of forgot like what had happened a year ago, which I think is why the advantage to binging, because I think if you drag that out, you'd be a little confused because you're like, what happens six weeks ago?

But how how hot is Jason Bateman? I just so you're like, are you so hot for Jason Bateman? No. I saw Jason Bateman at the park and it's so funny because I don't get starstruck at all. But I'm the biggest Jason Bateman fan. I think he's funny. I think he can do everything. He's cute, like he's he's just awesome. I think he seems like an amazing person. Well, so he was. We live obviously in the same area, and I mean, and so he was walking. So I

was playing with Jolie. She was on the slide, and he was walking down the which I'm called was that thing called sidewalk sidewalk, no sidewalk sidewalk, And he was just like walking by himself, like smiling, and I looked over and he like smiled, and I was like, and I immediately turned my head. And then I took a picture and sent it to Michael and are right. I didn't know what she was sending me a picture of because there's just some person a hundred feet way. I

was like, are you showing me a tree? A bench? Like, like, no, that's Jason. I have nothing. I barely even see a person in this photot. But I was so excited and I'll never forget too because he does the Ellen Kershaw things and I saw him at the ping Pong thing last year with Clayton Kershaw at the ping pong event, and I mean I just stared. I just stared at I'm like a freaking creep. So I have a treat

for you. What So I'm not wanting to like promote another podcast, and I'm going to Dak Shepherd has a podcast and he spent almost two hours with Jason Bateman and you know how you are not afraid to talk about poop. Yes, they do. Like a twenty maybe twenty five minute conversation about God. I was like laughing out loud tears the whole thing. To guys. I love that. I actually put I put him on the list of people I want to interview. I don't know if he would ever come on our little show, but he were

from the same we're from Michigan. He's from Michigan too. We're all Metro Detro readers. Yeah, and he's he just celebrated his fourteen The thing I will tell you, maybe we could get a little closer to Jason Bateman. Justine Bateman has a new book coming out. I will promote it. I just I just love Jason and I just I just I think he's fantastic. You need to watch Ozark. Not even this is not even an ad for my podcast, but it's such a great show. You're welcome, honey, Well

I am going to. I wish I would have known over that big holiday weekend because I was all by myself. I could have been like, I could have watched the entire sept It's just so good. I just I can't even like, I'll watch one tonight. It's one's I'll watch one on my Wednesday night. Okay, is it too early to talk about Halloween? No? Absolutely not. Halloween decorations in the trunk of my car right now. One of my least favorite holidays. I almost can say I wanted so

much like my mother. My mom hates Halloween so much to the because she always said that I would change my costume. But I'm like, Mom, like it's whatever. I was a kid, but she hates Halloween. So I then always really didn't like Halloween because she hated Halloween. So I really couldn't have fun with it. But Michael loves Halloween. No, no, no, no. You remember. So Jane and I bought our house together in Nashville. The first house, we both were like, we

hate Halloween. That's right, neither one of us. Remember who are you people. Let's just hear me out. Hear me out, hear me out. So we're like, you know what, we hate Halloween, So let's just let's do something just crazy, and let's have the best Halloween party ever, like the biggest, the best, like everything. And we did, and we went out and spent thousands of dollars on decorations. We started. The first week in September was draped with like sheets.

We had like blood spatters, candles. Uh. Cost contest for best costumes. We had first, second, third prizes, we had bartenders. Yeah yeah, I mean we did it up. And so since then we've grown to love Halloween a little bit more. Dress up like a couple. Okay, so well we did, We've done both times. So but this last Halloween was

by far. Michael had the best costume of all. I have to I have to bring the photo up to it, but go ahead, you can, like you can tell her, but the photos just so, because I hate Halloween, I'm like, if I'm going to dress up, I have to have the best costume, like the one we did. When we had the party of the House. I bought like a six Batman costume. I could have been in the movie

That's amazing. So I was a six ft six old off last year for Halloween, I ordered this costume straight from China, and oh my god, so we were so Jana Janna was also the Ice Queen. Naturally, how come tall because that the head was already six and then that thing's another foot above my head. It was us. So we go to this the streets into Luca Lake, which has a ton of tricker treaters. Kids are stopping me to take pictures. I mean he had a I literally had an agree. I felt like, Janna, that's true,

charging legit me in great lines. So now I'm like, how do you beat the giant ole off? Like? So that's what we figure out, Like what what do we'd be? Because I like to do the couple of things, the family thing, to do the family thing. So if anyone has any suggestions, email us and yeah, Janna Kramer, I heart media dot com um soon because I need to find whatever it is. I need to find the best costume there is. I just I just got Rocco's costume in the mail. What is it going to be? He

wants to be right now? He wants to be Pikachu. We usually go through like three or five costumes and then I don't know, that's normal, that's a normal thing to do. Change my mind. Okay, see mom, it's you just have to go with it because they're going to change their minds. Well, I mean my mom make constumes though, so she would actually at me. Yeah, but that's it was her choice she could have bought. Why did y'all originally hate it? Because my mom hated it, so I

wasn't allowed to have fun with it. I love for kids. I love the decorations. I don't like adults and cost That's how That's how I always felt silly. I'm like costumes. Why it's like the one time a year you can dress up? Are all of you such an excuse to for women to just like, oh, I don't like that. I do not like to be a sunny. There is not a cost thank you. I do not like that, and I don't like girls that do that. I don't

like it at all. I think it's like, okay, we get it, like you're trying to show if your body. You're trying to be like I'm a sexy made. Like be a little bit more creative than a sexy made. I'm aware every year, Oh did you like the word? It's no, it's like pretty pretty well, it's the one day a year I can really be myself. I love that. I'm not a huge fan. I love it for kids, but yeah, no, I will. You could not pay me enough money to put on a costume. It will not happen.

Oh it's gonna happen. No, it will, Yeah, well happen. Well why because you think it's so? I don't like theme dressing in general, Like I don't like kind of I want to do that so bad, the Renaissance Festival. I want to dress up like one of those fairies and be like and Michael will be like those Michigan when people are in costume around me, like sometimes I do the I don't see you. I don't see you. I don't see you. I don't I don't like hearts

on Valentine's Day. I don't like. Oh, a Christmas sweater just kills me. It's like even ugly Christmas water, all of it. I don't do theme dressing at all. So how wween is like that? To the one millionth degree? So and I just don't want someone talking to me with a mask on. Just put on a Santa Clause hat, would you? So? Gosh, I don't like that at all. Are you talking about Christmas? That's just the I'm starting that like many months span of holidays. I hate Halloween, Thanksgiving,

christ Why do you hate thanks in? New Year's Valentine's I don't really I will fight you on Thanksgiving? Why do you not like Thanksgiving? It's about giving thanks There's no presence there. That's my favorite. So much holiday, so much family fight and I'm like, let's just get a kid or kid or kidder and they're like, no, we gotta cook it. Yeah. I'm so exhausted from all this cooking and I'm just like, seriously, this is happening to me. Well,

here's the deal. Um, now that I know how much Amy hates said, I'm going to make sure that she has to put everything on. Are you better believe we're coming in here. I'm going to be a six or six turkey coming into her Thanksgivings for every occasion. Yeah. And we're going to have an outfit for her and she's going to have to wear it. And you're gonna get over this. Yeah. I know. Like my birthday, I don't like any of it. Halloween is so much fun.

You could spider cupcakes, all the decorations, pumpkins, carving pap for kids. Totally into it for kids and adults. We need to help you and find your inner child. Michael, what do you think you want to be there for Halloween? I don't know. I don't care. I just have again, whatever it is, I have to have the most legit costume. If you want to be Power Rangers, I'm going to find someone at that studio who made the movie and get the real thing, Like I have to do it.

That's the only way. That's the only way. I dressed up as if I have the best well, because I just wanted to be family themes. So again, if you guys have any ideas, Jane Kramer at heart Media dot com, and I'd like it to be family themes. So it needs so like last year obviously he was all off, I was Elsa and Jolie was on a So we need to like have it family themes, Yes, please Easton.

My wife and I do a couple's costumes every year, and last year I was the man in the big yellow hat and uh, she was Curious George and our dog was a banana Canada. When year I was a fisherman, I had like a one tho the I know you did last summer guy at the raincoat with the beard and she was a mermaid. And one year I was a magician and she was a rabbit. I think this year we're going to do She's gonna be the hippo from Fantasia and I'm going to be a an alligator.

Amy is throwing up in her mouth in her corner. I like, I like the plantation one this year, asked me, awesome. You know you know what, Amy, I think you're just homesick and you know what you need homestead candles. Um. I like, actually homestick candles. Yeah, I think that's cool. I think it's a really neat idea because I miss I miss Michigan, I miss Nashville, and um, I want that reminder. So that's what I love that homestick candles.

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you buy two or more candles. Just visit homesick dot com and use my code Janna. That's homesick dot com and use my code Janna. I can answer that question. Actually, it smells like desert sand and midnight air herbs and spices from the finest restaurants and that's not accurate, and hints of cold hardcash co. What is Michigan? Michigan smells like tart cherries and rich chocolate that sounds honeysuckle and rows balance with cinnamon and a sandal would finish everyone?

Do everyone for every major city? Or yeah, so like you'd have like Washington, d c uh live affairs of soft downpours, a steeped earl gray tea and mild hints of cedar and pachuli, a touch of maple and Vanilla complimented bouquet of rhododendron flower and I would love that. Can Yeah, I like, I like more of a manly candle, just like yeah, I like I like, Um, I just like more of a manly or so I don't like flowery. Can we unpack something that we talked about with Chris? Yeah?

Unpack that's like the lame word. Let's curate this. Um. Can we talk about losing your virginity? Yeah, that seems like something we've never talked about. Old were you? I was sixteen? My boyfriend was fifteen? Oh younger man? Yeah, I was fourteen? Was fourteen? Yet less awkward as you get older, because it's like now it seems like no big deal, Like who cares talk about it? Right? Well, am Michael? How old are you? Sorry? Mom and dad? Did they not know that? Sometimes my mom doesn't listen

for you? Fourteen? Oh my god? What boend? He was nineteen? He was in college. That was a freshman in high school. That seems like you'd need a note to, like a parental note. Yeah, it was illegal wait at four yeah, but at fourteen, so that just seems so young. I know, I mean she was uh I was a freshman. She was a junior. Wait you were twenty two when you lost region Nate? Why why wait so long? Who was high? Okay? Who was the guy? You want me to just name him?

I'm not going to fret play. What does it rime with mine's waddy? Well, what's weird is he doesn't want we're still friends and he doesn't want to claim it, like he knows it was him, but there was sort of like maybe a half one before and he's like, no, what you have did they like go half in so um so okay, not not full throttle but likeable the but not like I think I messed around with somebody, um maybe a year before this person, and there was like it was close but not really And so then

it was like kissing. No, like I'm not an idiot, Like it was like it was like almost maybe I don't know, you know, I mean the thing was kissing the other thing. I don't know if scrip almost, So then it really did happen. And then obviously I talked about it with the person and he's like, no, no, that wasn't me. It was this one, Like he didn't want to know about the other person. Yea oh, I'm sure. I'm very open with the boys with I'm going to

talk about it. Mark, howled were you? I was fifteen and like Mike, she was two years older than I was. So young? Is there nobody that was ince like any day now, fingers crossed? Christmas is coming. I was seventeen, she was one, and it was my friends, your friends. I want to open the door and see if there's anybody that's not well. I will say that I have one girlfriend that is in her twenties that still hasn't

lost her virginity because she is waiting. But um again, to me, I'm like, you know, that's and I have nothing against that. I think that's if that's what you want to do. I just personally think that I wish I would have waited a little longer. Now thinking about it, I mean I think, well, I mean, I will say this though he was my high school sweetheart, I loved him, you know, and I don't I have zero regrets about it.

I will say that, But thinking back, I'm like, yeah, maybe we could have waited, like maybe another year or so. I don't know, but maybe not because we stayed together for three and a half four years. I like, I like that so sweet story. Yeah, but I mean if losing your virginity for to someone random like that would

be I wouldn't have wanted that. I would say. I was like, if it's Jolie and she we were talking about this, I would say like, hey, you know, if you care about this person, that's who I think you should lose your virginity too, is what I would probably say to her. I don't want it to just be some random because you was your person random. Well, we were sort of dating. I mean he was in college. I was a freshman in high school. Freshman in college and the freshman in high school is a little creepy

skied together that's what they call it then. But I mean, like here's Mike. Like it wasn't like a no, we're really good friends. Like we were like we were legitimate regret about not being with Debt. What was the high school sweetheart Trisia I was going to Debbie Trisha? Yeah, I know, um, not necessarily because it wasn't because to me, like I had the person I lost it with. Like we had a very close friendship, Like it was like friends with benefits, but we respected each other and we

loved each other as friends. Um, so I don't know. I don't regret it. Does anyone in the room regret it? No, no, because he was my high school sweetheart. If he if he was just a random hook up, and then I would have regretted it. I wouldn't say then I would have for sure regretted it wasn't like, well we got now soon afterwards. Yeah, my parents. Yeah, so it was Sadie Hawkins and Michael. Do you know the story? No, No, I don't think I do that. No, no, No, it

was a dance. It was Sadie Hawkins and so it was we were probably like a month into like being like sexual, and so we left the dance to go home because we name his parents were at the movies. So we go back to his house and you know, we started having sex or whatever, and then all of a sudden, the door opens and his dad saw me but naked. I run up stairs and I just start like bawling, crying. Where were you guys in the house.

We were in the living room because we thought we could hear the garage open, but they didn't go through the garage, so they through. Like yeah, so so that happens and I'm still but as naked, like in the in the bathroom, bawling my eyes out. He comes and he's crying. He's naked, like I think he might might have put something like around him or whatever. Like we're just both crying, and his dad comes in. He goes go grab the rubber because he had left the gross.

I mean, we're using protection. That's good, right, But then but then his mom rest in rest in peace because she was amazing. She unfortunately passed away because the breast cancer. But she, um, she goes, you have twenty four hours to tell your mother. And I was just like so man, so sweating, like I just remember driving home, like just like sweating and fallowing my eyes out. So I go home and I draft this like epic novel, like this is no like mom. So I lied to her in

the letter. Sorry, Mom, I know you listen, but I lied to her and I said, this is my first time ever having sex. Please, I'm so sorry, Like that wasn't And I said we were a month into being sexually active when we got caught. Yeah, so um, I wrote it. I was like, Mom, I'm so sorry, like this is the first time that we had sex and you know, um mrs and Mr whatever caught us having sex, and you know, I'm so sorry, I'm so ashamed and

da da da dada. And what I did was and she was in her room and I slid it underneath the door and then I ran back in my room. Was like, mom, you haven't known at anither door, classic me just to run away. So then I'm in my room and she like knocks on my door and she was like, do we need to get you on birth control? And I was like, that was like the last thing I thought she would say to me. I thought I was gonna be like grounded for weeks. But she was like,

let's talk about birth control. And I think she was doing good mom job there. But this is why I think people should wait till college. Like this should not be happening in high school. I say, I disagree that if it's a relationship though, you know, not even that, but I feel like in college you might be more susceptible to the drunk, regretful. Yes, exactly, it's the high school. It's like you're fooling around, like trying to figure this out.

One point, that's an excellent point. Yeah, that is very true because if not, yeah, you're going to be drunk at some party. It's like whatever, I'm drunk, I'm going to sleep with Joe schmo Is. The number is still a thing, like do do people still count how many people they've left with? My number is so extraordinarily low. Really, oh it's so low. We don't. We don't. Michael and I have never shared a number because we probably don't know how many? Is that? Like? Yeah? I was like exclusive, Yeah,

they don't know their number. We we from the very beginning of us stating we agreed, We're like, yeah, people ask like that in a day. I mean, I don't know. Since it's I mean, we twenties. I wanted to know people's like numbers and stuff with them when I just started to have fun in l A and I just told somebody like I don't want to know. Yeah, I'd rather not. I mean, now we know, we know, you

know stuff, but I mean it is what is. But I would love to hear um losing your Virginia stories if you have regrets, Yeah, when did you marry him? Did you did you marry the guy who lost Virginia? Which which you know. That's another interesting thing because I'm like when you kind of want to, like, I have a lot of friends who numbers too, numbers five. I'll just tell you, guys, I'm hoping for six. Any second

I'm working on he's working on the other hand. But I know a lot of people to because there's the first person and then they married the second. Wow, yeah, well not everyone had a fun twenty Yeah, you know what's bad is like my first when you tell me that your story, my first intuition is thinking about Jolie and then our son right and putting them both in

that scenario. How I would react. And if if it was our son and it was like came home and it was a girl that he was seeing or whatever and they were having sex, yes, I would be I don't know how I would react, but I wouldn't have five them or anything. It wouldn't be like that. But I would just be like, what the protection are you smart? If I if we came home and Jolie and some guy got up off of her and was like running away, I would chase that mother effort down and just like

the difference that girl, because there's my baby girl. If I saw some dude on top of her, like and I come in. I don't know, I'll just react, I like, you come here. But if it's like you know her high school, he's high school sweetheart shoes who she's in love with, and like you know that you know Alex, like I don't know, this is his name, and there would be my reaction wouldn't be as extreme. And I'm not saying I would physically harm the person either way.

I'm just saying i'd be like, get the out of here. I think that's every dad's worst nightmare. And I don't think any dad should have to walk into that. No, I don't think so at all. And I hope that Julie is open enough to be able to tell us like when she is starting to be I mean, I know your brother isn't that starting age of sexually activeness and how to talk to your parents and stuff. But it's you have to you want them to come to you. But it's also that awkward, like god, like my little

baby is now having sex. I mean, just what else telling you about the other day thinking about my brother who's seventeen, who because there's a fourteen year difference, I still look at him as like my little man, right, and we're driving home, you know, when we're back in Virginia together, and I started asking these questions because I've been uncomfortable to even bringing up with him. But I'm like,

he said, he's about to be eighteen years old in December. Yeah, I'm like, what was I doing when I was eighteen years old? I was like, he's doing something. I was like, I can't be a naive anymore. He's not just like my innocent little man anymore. So it's just weird to like have that conversation with him. I know. Well, I would love to hear people's stories. Um, yeah, if you have any regrets about losing your virginity, if you married the person, you know your number? You want to tell

me your number? Tell me your number. Janna Kraner and i heeart Media dot Com. I would love to, you know, to listen to the Confessions Confessions of Virginity. He's listening. How do we cost you? My ideas? And virginity talk is gonna be great emails. Next episode needs to be dissecting all of those. You know, it's a great number. Is that your number? Carbon soft Soft? Toss in the Carbon thirty. I love it. By the way, I was like, well, that's the good number for a dude. It's kind of low,

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four years. We have two sons. I've never really been too concerned about him cheating because he's genuinely a good guy and has never given me a reason to doubt that he had bad judgment. A few years ago, he went to a strip club for a friends bachelor party right after I gave birth to our first son. I was open with how I felt. I thought he learned from that. He knows I'm very easily jealous and very

insecure about my body. A couple of months ago, he got a vasectomy, and long story short, to get off, he searched Google for pictures to look at. I'm not sure what that has to do with the vasectomy necessarily, but maybe she thinks the surgery somehow affected I've had that surgery is fine, well for you, but maybe okay, I guess his penis doctor made a mistake. Anyway, that's extremely confusing. So what her point is, and this is kind of sad, the pictures worked and what she has

to offer didn't is what she's saying. She says, I feel like he cheated even though I know he felt pressured to perform. I feel like he has betrayed me. I found out about it on his phone. I just can't get over it. I've had two babies in two years. I'm still breastfeeding. I don't want to look at me. I feel like my boobs an't as big as the pictures he saw or I'm not his tan. Am I wrong to feel like I've been cheated on? Should I be okay with this? Because some people would say this

is a normal guy thing. I don't know what to do. It makes me hate myself. Thank you for your time reading this. Did I write that email? I think it's a Jenna, but it was really like I I probably wrote the email in there. Now that's hard. I mean we've kind of talked about this in a relationship to where it's like for us personally, it's just we feel like that's it was a way of taking away romance

from our relationship. And um, I think he just she just has to be open and honest with him and how that makes her feel because I I do the same thing where if you know, I know Michael's looking at something and it's like, man, I'm comparing myself to like, well, they've look they've got bigger moves than me, and they look prettier than me, and they're blood or whatever, and like,

I can't get you off, but she can. Like that's a that's a really hard thing to like swallow and for a woman to like not feel like they're wanted by their like guy. So I think if she can try to be honest about it. Um, And I think it sucks in this day age because so many men are like whatever, It's just it's what guys do. We watch more when we look at pictures like and I don't think that's fair for the relationship personally. Yeah, um yeah,

that's a tough subject. And that's something that you know, Jan and I have dealt with firsthand over the last couple of years. And because of all that, because of what we've been through, Man, this went from happy, go lucky to like deep stuff. Thanks Mark, it's great. It's a good email. Um no, at least for for Jana and ized beliefs and and my strong beliefs. Now, I don't I think that whole it's a guy thing is an overplayed excuse, and that's what it is, is an

excuse nowadays. And you know, I read something this is years ago too um about Terry Crews, you know, the actor Terry Crewise, And in an article he was talking about how he stopped like watching porn and he stopped looking at any of that kind of stuff because he realized and felt like it took away from his marriage. And you know I read that. I was like, man,

that kind of started to resonate with me. And I still, you know, had my issues on even away from that stuff, because it becomes habit from n because you know, masturbation or porner and all that stuff is becomes a habit, and it's like one of those things that dads might talk to their sons about, Hey, this is a natural thing. I don't know if it's a natural thing. I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out. But you know, I will be an advocate to say that I don't think

that excuse can be played anymore. I think she definitely has the right to go to him and be like, look, this is how it makes me feel. I know it's not physically cheating. I know it's not physically acting out, but it's still emotionally can affect me the same way, and that's something he has to listen to it. Yeah, and totally to that point as well as you know,

just how an an addiction starts. If he's starting to look at that, he's maybe like, oh, maybe this isn't doing enough for me, but now maybe going to find this girl in that bar might not give me that high maybe sense timely, and that's that's where the whole you know, addiction could come in. And that's that's a that's scary. So I think it's important and I hate like kind of like I said, I don't like that stereotype that it's what guys guy talk, guys look at

it's it's funny, it's this and that. I was the stereotype of that for so many years. For so many years, I was that guy. And just now from the outside looking in, it's just it's not healthy. Do you think it could be up to the couple, Like, sure, they can totally be subjective based on a couple. I know we've mentioned that too on here too, where there there's couples that do that together and that works for them,

and that is awesome that's totally fine. There's comfortable. There's there's men out there that can have guy talk and look at that stuff and did not affect them in

any way, not affect their relationship. That's great. I just want men and couples like these two to be aware that it can affect a relationship and just to be open and honest about and not like a hidden thing too, where it's you know, where she does have to see that she's looking at a porn side, he's looking somewhere whatever, and vice versa, even if the girl, I don't know if the girls too, but I have a question, honey, answer if say, the same situation is happening, but he

has no issue in the bedroom, he's active, he gives her attention to all that stuff, but she still maybe just has an issue with it for whatever reason. But it's not she doesn't feel like it's taken away from or there doesn't seem to be anything on paper that's taken away from the relationship. What are your thoughts on that.

If it still makes her uncomfortable, then that's then that's still something that she has to speak on, because I mean, it's a hundred percent makes it worse when they're not getting off with her, but getting off with the internet. That's hurtful. But if he's fine, like you said, in the bedroom, but it still bothers her, then that's something that she's still needs to address. It has to be on the same page. Yeah, I mean for me, honestly,

it wouldn't. I mean, obviously minus our situation. But like if I was in a relationship and that was the case and it was fine in the bedroom, and you know, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't care if the person was watching it as well, because he's not taking away from our our time to well, that's the point, right. We get a lot of emails thing is this normal? And there is no normal everybody that's your thing, there is. You have to establish your own guidelines there and respect

each other's. Yeah, And I also want to say, and maybe you can back me up, Mike as a guy, Oh, here goes, we're not comparing you. And I know that's hard for you to believe. And whether it's porn or it's any movie, or it's somebody on the beach or somebody walking by in the street in a short skirt, we're not comparing you. There is none of that, right, But when you are off to a big breasted woman and yet you can't get off with me, and that is like that is that to us? You could still

say it's not about you. Well that person looks different than me, so that sucks all right. Well, today it was fun and also heated like juicy. I love that. Thank you everybody, Jen Michael, thank you you. Um, thank you to third Love. Go to third love dot com slash Janna now to find your perfect fitting brought and get fifteen person off your first purchase that bit fun. Remember to use my code Janna to get ten dollars

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