Ep. 1 The First Pour

why I do everything. Um, I'm married, and I say that with caution because, um, you know, my life is extremely public and it's been it's been a crazy journey because I have I've I've had a couple of marriages under my belt. Um, but I wouldn't really call the marriages. I would call them glimpses of things because one I met when I was nineteen and then we went to Vegas. The other one I was only married to for a

week and now he's my best friend. And um, you know, now I'm married and we've been married for it'll be three years. In may happily a couple of months. But um, that's besides the point and we'll talk about that later. But um, wait a minute, did you just say you were married to somebody for a week? Yeah? How did you get divorced so fast? No? Okay, Well here's the deal. We were. He's not my best friend, which is the

funniest part of all of it. His wife is like truly my my best friend here in l A. Um and I we have like weekly dinner family parties. Um, but we were. We were dating for three years and then he was fourteen years older than me. Um, in the age wasn't an issue. But what the issue was is we were just I was going right, he was going left. And but as I'm such like a love addict at the core, I just I always wanted to please him. And um, but you know my dream I

was I was going to Nashville. He was here in l A. And um, I was just finishing one tree hill. Long story short, it was just one of those things where I walked on the aisle and was like, I don't want to be married to this man. Oh no, wait, was it a full on wedding with the wedding the wedding and everything. Yeah, it was the whole. I mean, so what we say is we laugh and we say

we had a beautiful party. We were not married. Married to me is like what I'm in now, Like we are like in it, you know what I mean, Like we're fighting for it. We have a child, like we're working on our marriage. To me, that's marriage, not just like a wedding. And so I think I've only been like for me, I've only been married once but on paper three. But let's go back, let's go back to the one week marriage, but one like marriage. You when did you decide you needed to get a divorce the

day I married him? The day you married him? So you guys didn't go on the honeymoon, you didn't, Well we went up north after because we got married up North Michigan. Um, but I just I knew. I actually called the wedding off two weeks before. But then I was like, well, we have like an okay exclusive and you know, I don't want to ruin people's plans. So I was just like, you know, well maybe maybe like maybe i'll feel something different, Like maybe I'll walk down

the aisle and I'll feel something different. But I knew that if I stayed married him, we'd have kids and then we'd end up divorce, and I was like, I don't want, Like I grew up in a divorce family and for me personally, like I just knew, like if I knew walking down the aisles shouldn't be married to this man, I should divorce him now absolutely, And it was like the greatest thing that ever happened, because now he's married to this amazing girl named Julie and they

have a beautiful son, and Camden and Jolie are like besties and now we all hang out. I was just texting with her there in Hawaii right now, and they're coming back and then we're having dinner tomorrow night. That's and he's an actor John with and Check, so he um and he's he's like my acting coach too, so whenever I have auditions he helps me. And yeah, did you ever feel like you wanted to be the runaway bride where you just didn't show up? Oh? Yeah, totally.

But I couldn't do it. I just felt so bad for people like I wanted to, like because I wanted to have that beautiful day. I wanted to be in love with him. It's a thing I like every part of me, like was just like because I did, I do love like I still I love John. I think he's a great guy. Would we have ever worked? No, like not at all. Okay, So we're his parents, both of his parents there? Yeah, and your parents ever? Everyone was there, and girl, it was beau. It was a

beautiful wedding. Did your parents know? No? No? What about his parents? His dad and I never really got along. He's like real old school, like cop and I was like this little young little like name to marry your son. He's like, what is my He probably thought his son was going through a midlife crisis, honestly because I was like twenty six and he was in his forties. So and what about the mom? Oh, she's like they're great, They're awesome, and you know they still I mean I

have not seen them since the wedding. Every time I like, I know they're in town right now. So I texted Julie and I was like, Hey, does Jolie want to play with Camden? But I don't think they want to see me, so that we're not cool yet. But Julie, John and I are great Okay, And how long has it been? So it's been almost eight years? Wow? But I mean like again, like we weren't like, yes, we we were. We dated for three years and what was it like then? So back and forth because he had

just gotten divorced from Christina appligate. Oh my god, he called me Christina so many times? Do it in bed? Not in bed? Not in bed? No? But maybe like I don't, like I don't remember that, but no, he would call me sometimes I would just be and I think I always wanted to be better than her, like I wanted to be like because he was so hurt from that relationship. Did she end it with him? Yeah, So that's tough when you were rebound for him. He

had plenty of rebounds before me. But and you was like his first girlfriend after Christina, and you feel like you two were codependent on each other. No, I he was. He like didn't want me at all in the beginning, but I like forced myself on him, like because we did a movie together called prom Night, and I was like, oh my god, that's the guy from that thing you do.

He's so hot and um, and then we hung out and then he's just like, you're too young, and I was like, no, I'm not immature, I swear, and and then it was just one of those things where I just I kept wanting his love and attention and affection. And that's like what a love addict is, Okay, And so what was the relationship? Like how much time did you spend another like that? I mean three years? We probably were together like a year, like two years? And

did you break up a lot? Yeah? We broke up a lot because he would there really like oh him all the time, and I beIN, please, why don't you want to be with me? Um? He just didn't want a girlfriend. He's like, I'm just I'm not ready. So and I just waited and stayed and passed so many like and every time I got in a good relationship with someone, he'd always come back. And then I'd of course break up with that person and date him and

date him. And then when he was ready to commit to you, that was when you were like, I know, but it was because we had different Um, we were just so we were too different at that point. Okay, but your best friends, but just too different so we couldn't be married. Now I know, people are like, well, you guys are best friends, like why wouldn't you guys work? Because him and Julie work, like she can handle his stuff. There's certain things as a wife that I could not

handle that he does. That makes sense. I understand that. Like he's you know, he's really really really actory. And sometimes I'm like, can you just like stop and just because he needs the attention? Does he? I mean, like, I know, I like attention. I know, I mean all

actors like attention. But it's just it's yeah, and there is a dark side too, and you know it's it's heavy, and it's like I like more of the light with the heavy and sometimes like and Julie can balance it so well, like I support it supported and I would be like, like he he would write a script and I'd be like, that's awful, and that's not a supportive wife, you know, but I didn't. It's an honest one, yeah, but it's not a nice one. And Julie like supports

his like thoughts and ideas well. That makes sense? And what about now? What about? Now? What about now? Me? Do you like still consider yourself a love addict? I can I have always be a love addict. I just I love because and you have to be careful with that because it's like, you know, there's times when you know my husband and I are good, and it's like you have to really hone in on that love addiction

because you don't want to find it somewhere else. You gotta keep finding it in the relationship, right, And do you think about that sometimes? If you guys are right, No, I think I think everyone has like healthy fantasies. Yeah, but I would I'd probably never admit that to him, But now that he's probably hearing this, now he knows, he knows. No. I mean, I think it's that's a tough question because I would be mad at him for

having those fantasies, right, So I shouldn't either. But sometimes I fantasize about being divorced and having the house to myself. And that's why my fantasy not about being with someone else. It's about being alone, having space, space, just being like left alone for a day a Wednesday, every Wednesday, every Wednesday. Does he does he demand a lot? Does he know my husband is he's great? I mean, obviously it's very public. Our our our separation was extremely public. And his stuff,

which you know, well, I'll talk about later in in podcast. History, but um, we're working on it. And that's the thing. Like marriage is, whether there's infidelity, whether there's um issues in the marriage, you always have to work on it. Yes, I think someone that has a perfect marriage I call BS two right away absolutely because you have to grow.

That means that you're actually not working on your marriage then to me personally, right because you're not growing, you have to grow together and the people that don't grow together, like, we're both willing to work. That's the thing. I'm willing to work. He's willing to work. That's what's making this relationship not end catastrophically. Yet you go to therapy so much therapy, but I love therapy. I think it's great.

Do you do individual and marriage individual marriage And he's got his whole in his own thing that he goes to as well. So it's it's both of us. You know, you actively working in the marriage. You guys are in it. You guys are really putting the work. It's tough. I mean sometimes, like after couples therapy, it's really close to our house, so a lot of the times I walk home just because I just need like a minute. It's

tough because you're talking about things. It's like, yeah, I wish it was a complete fairy tale and perfect, but it's not. But at the end of the day, like it could be. If you really truly work on it and both partners are willing to work on it, then you could have a beautiful relationship. I love that. So here's the deal. I need as much help as all of you guys do, and I'm I'm constantly on my comments looking at what you guys want and what I need to is. So I'm gonna have not only celebrity

moms on here. I'm gonna have life coaches. I'm going to have sex experts. I'm gonna have a marriage therapist because I know we all need some help. I know I do. Caroline's wisen um. She is a life coach um works with mom issues, relationship issues, or even just life and you can find her at Caroline's Wicksen dot com. Caroline, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good? How are you? I'm doing great? Thank you? So can you tell our listeners, um, just

a little bit about you your background? Yeah? Absolutely so. Um, I'm a women's someone will help and life coach. Um. I'm really passionate about you. Know, connecting, connecting to two um. And my background is in psychology, so I have also have a master's in counseling psychology, and I specifically now work with mothers to really reclaim themselves, you know, their identity after becoming a mom, which so many times get so lost. Um, and then also reclaiming your health both

part of that's amazing. And I'm here with producer Jen too, and we were just having that conversation about how it's that's that's what I'm personally dealing with, is how to be able to separate being a mom and then my career because I have we have a lot of guilt

with that too. So what would be like your advice for me and mom's out there that are having that problem, but having that guilt problem specifically guilt, but then also so I guess two things, guilt and then also how to how to have my things, like how to have my purpose and all of this. Mm hmm yeah, So like really like how do you reclaim yourself as a woman? UM? So I think a lot of times, you know, like the most common thing that I really hear from from moms in in my work, if I don't even know

who I am anymore? Right, that real sense of loss that like I don't even know what happened to the woman who I once was. And then there's this whole idea in our society and culture of like bouncing back and getting that woman back and getting that life back.

And what I always tell my clients and what I've seen a lot of time talking about, is that it's not about um, you know, getting back what who you once were, but really needing that person that you are now, and really needing the woman, the mother that you've evolved into, because she has changed, like she's different physically, you know, like her value system has changed dramatically, And so really approaching this topic with a really open mind and open

heart and really finding out who are you now that you've undergone this massive transition? Um? I think. And then another point to that is I think something that is

really important obviously is time. Like so many moms struggle with time, and like not even moms right, like everybody nowadays struggling with time, UM, and becoming really good at delegating and understanding what are at the areas and subchecks that you can actually take care of, UM, And what do I think that you can really delegate to other people, and how can you really structure a support system and a tribe around you that is supporting you in you know,

integrating motherhood into your life. M you know what. I love that. Here's my problem with it though, when because I sat down with my therapist and I it's just like I feel like I'm doing everything, and she goes, well, start trying to ask people for help. So but when I asked people for help, for example, like my daughter had split up in our crib and it took me. It was so hard for me to ask my nanny to clean the sheets. But why didn't the nanny just

clean this cheats well? Because she didn't know that she had like spit up in there. And so I had asked. I asked, nanny, I said, and it was like I was like, okay, I'm gonna practice like what my therapist told me to do. So I was like, can you please change the sheets in like the crib room, you know, in her nursery. And I come home and she didn't

do it. So I'm like, this is why I don't ask people to do something, because it doesn't get done like I have to just I'm just gonna do it myself, right, So that's like where it's like how do I how do I delegate? But if I don't like the way that it's done or if it's not done, how do I deal with that? Well, if it's not done, then you know, maybe we're not getting the right kind of support, like you honestly like made people that you can trust and rely on. Um, and who are you know like

also like obviously like willing to help you. UM. I think that whole like hesitation to ask for help like that is really unless so that we can train. I think the more we can train ourselves to ask for help, the easier it becomes, and the more trusting we also become.

As we were experiencing over time, but I asked the person for help, and they did it, and it was done in a way that it was accessible for me and for everybody else and from like basically like having positive experience, positive experience, positive experience that is current to build your trust muscle. It's hard though, So it's really hard, and it's really hard to find a team that like really you know, puts into your life. Stuff Like a friend of mine always as higher really slowly for anyone

who comes into your personal house. Yeah, hey, true or false. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. M M agree. I agree with that too. Why do people think that that's true though, because it's the easy way out, you know. But if you're really talking about creating lives that are really fulfilling for ourselves, because a lot of people set up for a mediocre life, right. I was texting your coach and I was like that, she's gonna say true, and I'm gonna say b as to that. You are

a true life coach. People should definitely all right, here's another one, true or false. Um, if you can beat them, join them. If you can't beat them, join them. She's passed again. But here's the problem. People think that's like true stuff can beat them. Yeah yeah, but then you're just sacrificing yourself and your own values and that's not a good way of living. She's she is. And it starts, doesn't it, Caroline. It starts with girls when they're like

really young in their peer groups. Yeah, and boys too. I mean, like develop developmentally. They go through like a twinship face right where they are basically trying on what it's like to be like the other people and they're like copying everything that somebody else is doing. But I think that's where, you know, like our parenting comes in at some point where we also have to encourage them to be true individuals and a lot of that happens of role modeling. Right, how can use it to your

own values? So how can use it to what's really important to you? How can you actually speak with an authentic voice? And that's what your children will learn? Right? Question about that with relationships? What do you what's your advice about an argument in front of your children? Is it something where it? Because here's here's my problem. I don't want to be like, oh, we're just like perfect and people don't argue, And it's like what is what is the line with with that and raising you know,

showing your children certain things? Yeah, I mean, you know, like an argument like it can be like something where you're feeling like, Okay, we're actually coming to a solution and we're like having a people of conversation. We just

have different opinions, but we're coming to a compromise. I think that's great for your children to be able to watch, But if it's a really heated argument, and where like basically like the foundation of safety of the family feels at risk to a child, I think it's left would be taken into another room. So what's the word I think table it or like like what's the like not like you know what I mean? Like how do you how do you stop something? Then like how do you

stop the argument? So I think you know one of you or both ideally like you have to agree, like if this happened. Confusually this kind of thing like it happened, and then later on you're like, shoot, like this really something that happened. You know. Um, then you basically say, like the next time, I'm feeling the seats coming up again, because usually work of us feel speech when anger rises

in the body. When I'm feeling the sensation in my body, it's going to be my responsibility to say, let's stop this conversation now, And that's resument when the kids are in bed or when you know, when we're out of out forever, because I want to like finish it. Also, you're heated saying you're not really in the moment. You are in the moment of the anger, so you're not

thinking about anything else around you. How do you how do you deal with It's really hard moms wanting to separate to there because sometimes I feel lost as not only a mom, but as a wife too. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, it's just like who Like like you said, like who am I? Because I'm like, I'm a I'm my wife, I'm a mom, But like what other where's my Where's Janna? Like where did she go?

Because I'm just trying to please everybody in the family. Yeah, And I mean this is again like moms tell me I'm losing myself, and dad, it's a husband tell me, I feel like I'm losing my wife. What happens a lot because women have the tendency because they drive us crazy. That's why they don't know that, you know what, pusnant were just talking about that because he goes he's like, why, oh, he made a comment about Mother's Day and it was like, moms are magical And I go, why did you just

make that voice? And he goes, oh, sorry, I didn't realize it was a Mother's Day ad And I'm like, we are magical. We do everything. And he's like, you don't do everything? And I was like, where's our daughter going to preschool. He's like, I was like, you wouldn't like you wouldn't think to like like, we just take care of it. We don't ask you to help us, like I mean, like we we take care of all of it all. Who's does he know where her dentist is? She wouldn't even know when she has to go to

the dentist. So it's like, but like, but we put all that pressure on us. But here's the problem. And again, like I know how you say to delegate. So I could be like, honey, make an appointment, and I know he would, but he wouldn't do it when I want him to do it, right, it would be two days from now, yeah, or like a month from now of course. So it's like again, it's like that's where I feel like we we um almost like force us, not force ourselves,

but like we're the reason why we're losing ourselves. Yeah, and we're not delegating. Like Caroline just said, we need to delegate. We have to well, because I think in order to delegate effectively in hisself, that goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Um, we do have to trust the other people and we also have to allow other people to do it their way right. So like if I'm, for example, like I'm usually a person who cooks dinner because I'm also want to food and

kind of like with them in our family. And if I now told my husband to make dinner and he's starting to make something that you make, like he's not going to make the dinner that I make. But I have to be okay with that. It's strategic incompetence, and I just got with the expectations, like he's he's purposely screwing up something because he's like I don't want to have to do that, like when they go to the grocery store and forget to buy four or five things. Yeah,

and here's the deal. I know, I'm like giving my husband hard time, but he is great because he does he does, you know, help the laundry, although he's never he's like, these pants don't fit her anymore. I was like, yeah, because there's six months pants, Like you know what I mean, Like you could have put them like away, Why are you putting those on our daughter? Like it's like, I

don't think he's ever like, you know, helped. I don't know how those were still in her door because usually I make sure that her clothes are put away that don't fit her anymore. But somehow those got in there, probably because he kept putting them on her like dot her. But um, you know, I mean he does help, but it is hard because again, like as moms like I feel like we do put that pressure on ourselves. And having a life coach help us, I think is would

be beneficial for me, Oh for sure. So what what do you do? Like? How do you is it like is it like a therapy session? Do I sit down and talk to you? Is it something where you know, is it like a weekly thing? Is it a monthly thing? Or how does that work with a life coach? Yeah, I mean it can look in different ways. The way I work with my clients is UM basically how you really greatly? Because we said is it like does it

like therapy? Um? That basically life coaching focus is much more on the future and really connecting you with your intuition and your desired outcomes going forward versus traditional therapy really focuses more on your past and really overcoming things that happened in your childhood or in your past that

you're you know, not able to move away from. UM and So in coaching, I worked with my clients every two weeks, so we speak on the phone every two weeks UM, and we discussed in our lives what are their block and then also what are we UM? What do you want to achieve? Like what do you want to get to UM? And then according to that we plan very pretty strategic and set the big action stuff UM. And then they have two weeks to implement and they

have unlimited email support. So I work with my clients where you know, they can write me an email whenever UM they need to in order to update me on if something is working at something is not working, and then we kind of problem solved from they're amazing. That's awesome. Well, Caroline, thank you so much. I really appreciate Where can we find you out? UM? iFIT it's Caroline six, the dot coms Caroline b A r O l I N E and the kicks them VS and cebra w I c K s O N. And are you on Instagram or

need those? I'm on Instagram and my Instagram handle is ko tick fun so c A R O V w I c K s O N. Amazing. Well, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. And this is definitely something that I know that I'm going to need. So hopefully your mama is out there got some good info too, So thanks Caroline, have a great day. Thank you. Right all right, So these days you can get practically everything demand, like our podcast, which you can listen whenever you want,

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Click on the radio microphone at the top of the homepage and type in Janna, that's stamps dot com and enter Janna. Okay, um, should we talk about sex on the show? I think sex? What I mean? It's curious because I think sex and marriage is a huge issue. Absolutely. I have found married and not having sex there is a problem that is not being talked about. I mean my ex we didn't even sleep in the same bedroom for the last two and a half years. That's because

you guys didn't like each other. Yeah, yeah, because were you not attracted to your husband? Were you ever? I think so? I mean that was so long ago. We had to have been attracted to him to get married. No, I mean I was so young. I was so young? Really? Yeah, well you probably yeah, I'm sure I was. There was a there was a time. Did you ever think about so? Then you how long? What was the longest you went without sleeping with your husband? Probably about three years? Three years?

No sex? Did you master me? Can we talk about that? That? Can talk about that much? It's too much because I will talk about it. That's the problem. I am. So we just go too far. What didn't you just go to want to know if you guys think we're going too far, I will stop. I will peg this right on up. But here's the problem. If you guys want to be open book with me, we can talk about it all. If you want to send me in your questions or your comments, um, you can email me at

Jane Kramer at iHeart media dot com. And if you have any questions about sex or what you should do, Like I have a friend she doesn't sleep with her husband, and I have a hard like they have to like schedule sex. I'm like, well that's boring. How often do they schedule it? I think it's like every other month, like it's second or having sex that's like what like the therapist had recommended. So it's like and for me it's like I actually want to have more sex than

a husband, which is an issue. So was it always that way with him? With Michael? Yeah, well he has he's got like intimacy issues, which is something that we can talk on. Somebody like that. It's tough. Yeah, that's like word really it's so tough. So that's something I think we need a marriage counselor on the show for that talk. I think so too, because that's that's something that like he is working on. But it's really hard for me because I'm like, well, it doesn't have to

be intimate. Why can't we just like have sex? But he connects, he connects to two and you're able to next like making love with intimacy, and I'm like, I don't. I'm not. We don't have to make love right now. We can just have sex like you can even yeah, I mean like it's cool, but like I for some reason, like I need that, like like I don't need the fore play. Let's just get to it. I'm fine even if I don't climb the hill. Yeah, yes I can.

It's still like I don't know. I sometimes I think it's bad, but I do equate love with sex like that he wants me because he's with me, right, But that's part of the love addict. Yes, ding ding ding. But it's like, man, I feel so rejected as a husband, right, and that's not good. When men feel rejected, that's when they start to look outside of the marriage. But here's here, and here's the issue with me, which is what I was like because I wanted sex. I'm like, why did

you cheat on me? Like I was willing to have sex with you. So that's that's the part that stings me because I'm like, I begged you for sex, right, I wanted to have But that's a totally different issue, I know. But that's what's like, there's that that rejection

piece that I have to work on. So it's like when he doesn't want to sleep with me, because for me, personally, i'd be happy with I'd be happy with like three times a week, like full on three times a week, like me actually trying like maybe like twice a week, okay. And what about him? What do you think he wants? I think he'd be okay with like ones or not even once every other do you what do you think

people do in those situations? Like you guys have been going to therapy, what what is the therapist saying, Well, we haven't really gotten there because we have so many other issues that we have to work on. I mean, that's definitely an issue in therapy, but I think that something we're still like working on and he's working on because sometimes like it doesn't have to just be sex, but I still want to be able to like I want to make out, I want to do those things.

Do you people? I feel like don't make out what does he kiss you when he sees you? Does he is he affectionate? Y ask? But again I'm I'm more affectionate, like again like he because he has that like intimacy issue, Like I would be like I have way more p d A. But now I've like gone back from that because I know he doesn't like it as much. So it's like, well, then I'm not being myself and that's not doesn't feel good for me, and so like we're

trying to find that healthy balance. But that's the thing, Like when I talk to my other girlfriends, it's like I'm having sex, it's like whether you want to or not, do you want your husband stepping out on you know, like have sex with them whether you want it or not. But then don't be a log because they're like, well, of course I don't want to sleep with you because you're just like laying there. But then if the person really doesn't want to sleep with the guy, it's really

married exactly, I don't know. I mean some things, I get it. You don't want to have sex, you're tired, you've got baby puke all over you, Like I get that. But then at the same time, you should. Also, you have to have investment in your relationship, and part of an investment is having sex. I think it is, But I also have women that don't. They aren't just very sexual and they don't they've never like masturbated before, and

I find that crazy. You have friends who have never mastered ever, And I'm like, let me walk you into a hustler store and buy you a rabbit, like it'll just change your life? Is that? Like? Do you start buying mom on Amazon and giving giving one in a while? I have an old faithful let's just call her old faithful. She's been a round. And how does your actually feel? Like my husband? We don't really talk about that, really no, because it's it's a very touchy subject in the household

because I don't want him doing that. But does he he better not? He must, he can't, he must be it's weird again, I can't. It's like it's a it's a tough topic because you know it's again. Once there's like infidelity, things just kind of go. It's there's different boundaries that needs to be in place interest him, Okay, boundaries and do you feel like you're on the other side of that? Oh, no, No, there's still trust issues.

I think there's I am trusting him more, but I think you always have to continue to work on the trust. But I'm willing to talk more about sex if you guys are so, if you have any questions. Jannekramer, I heart media dot Com, Let's talk about it. What is pan sexual? Pan Sexual is a term that a lot of millennials are using. They're more on the spectrum of sexuality. It does has nothing to do with gender, um race age, anything. It's just they can fall in love with the human being,

so they don't even consider themselves that liquid. Isn't there something another liquid thing? It's like, it's like fluid, fluid fluid, I'm fluid, Like, isn't the same thing? It's pretty much the same thing. It's like you're on a spectrum of you. Just it doesn't matter the gender you're just if you fall in love with Nikki, who's a girl, happens to be a girl, You're in love with Nikki the human beings you could ever fall in love with a girl.

I don't think so. I WoT love me well, I love you like I'm gonna make you fall in love with me and I'm getting we're gonna make out with me? But um, I feel totally connected to you. But I am so right now so so so mand um, I I think that I you know what, I've never told this before. Ever. There was this waitress at Friday's. Um. I was in high school and I don't remember her name, but I had the biggest crush on her. She was

like short hair lesbian. Oh wow. But she was like cool and like confident and like sexy, and I would like catch myself flirting with her and I was like, am I No, I just like I've never I've never forgot about her. Wow, weird, right, But I would go for like more of the like short hair girl, so more boyish. Yeah, like I'm obsessed with like um oh my gosh, I just read her name. She's married to the writer Glendalon Glennon Doyle. She's married. She's a soccer

player Abby, Abby wand box. I have a girl crush on her? Did you ever have? Never? I don't think I could actually go through with it. Yeah, So I've never done that. I've never even kissed a girl, even though I want to sing this song I kissed a girl. No, but I've never kissed a girl like I mean, I've like kissed on like but not like as in like a lesbian way, lesbian way. He didn't make no no no no. But I've I've never had that, but I've I've never thought forgot about the Friday's girl And where

was she? Where did she? I was a waitress in Michigan at Friday's. Wow, Yeah, that's never forgotten about her. I've never what's her name? I don't remember. I had a hard time keeping a job when I was in Michigan. I would just go from job to job. Where did you? Oh? I worked at Appleby's, Friday's Um American Grill. I worked at Joe's Crabshack, Greek Island. I love Greek Island. Yeah. So, like, you know, my boyfriend would have like a soccer game and I didn't want to show up for work. That

was the problem. And I was like good. Yeah, So apparently I am really boring because everyone's like telling me about like they're always like, what shows do you watch? And I'm like, well, the one show I did watch was over Scandal, right, So I'm like, you know what I watched? You want to hear what I watched. I was like Puppy Dog Pals, Mickey Mouse in the Roadster Clubhouse,

Like that's the stuff that I watched. Transformer Like me, Everyone's like, you don't watch Westworld or you know Handmaid's Tails, Like I would love to, but by the time it's eight o'clock, I want a glass of wine, I want my bed, and I want to go to sleep. That's it, right, Yeah. Do you know how many times I've watched Bolt? That's actually really good. I just watched it the other day. It was really cute. Just in the past three days. Have you seen Up? Have I seen Up? It's so good.

It's so sad, though, I mean, this is like, but I feel like we should. This is okay because you and I are so busy and we just watch like Up and um Tangled and all those shows. Let's challenge each other to watch a show. So it'll be like instead of a book club, it'll be a show club. Which which show? Which show do you want to watch? Well? I kind of want to watch Handmaids Tale. I've heard that's really good. Okay, so let's do this because I know it's challenging. Let's watch two a week. I feel

like that's pretty I can do that. I can do that Tuesday and Thursday night. Sure, get on this Sunday, I'll do Wednesday. I'll do Tuesday Wednesday and when we'll talk about it and then we'll talk about it because I feel like if I'm not getting because if not, then I'm just gonna sit down and watch like Kardashian reruns until I like get tired enough and fall asleep and I'll watch, you know, season twelve begun. We need to like, we need to be we need we need

to be cool moms. Okay, like we need to have some fun for ourselves. We need to be cool moms. Um, and you guys feel free to join us and watching Handmaid's Tale and we can like binge talk about it and um, yeah, we can talk all about it because I feel like for the moms out there that are just have pop past in their brain, we can now be like, yeah, have you watched handmaid Stale? And like you can like feel a part of the conversation. It's a gradual bene. Okay, it's not a binge at all.

It's just reasonable binge. It's a small binge to a week. We're going from zero to two huge. That's huge, that's two hours. I'm gonna have so much more like knowledge in life and I'm just gonna walk around being like the Handmaids Tale and we're just no idea what it is. It's so excited handmaidge. There's nuns in it. Oh cool there about the nuns. Do you have a thing for nuns? Is that your girl across a none? But oh, speaking of your blonde girl that you loved? Um, who are

your girl crushes? Do you have them? Celebrity celebrity gerty girl crush? Well, you know, Kate Hutson cut her hair. I'm kind of digging on her now she's got cut Yeah, Katie Perry too, I'm not into her. No, No, Kate Hudson. Kate Hutson, she's got great style. But honestly, you know, I would say Kate Hudson ill like cry style and then um, oh man, that's kind of a tough one. But you know whose Instagram? I look at a lot.

Who is Um Chloe Kardashian. I love Chloe. She's not my girl crushed though, Um Drew Barrymore because she's so cute. She has everything going on and I want to drink rose with her because I just think i'd have her on a drink that is so fun um in Sandra Bullock, I love her, love her. She's so classy. She is She's always kept it classy, even when she was going through the worst time of her life. Just the one worst time I know he was that was he did her wrong. That was just she is great that she's

just pure class. Yeah, and she's a mom, and yeah, I like her a lot. Speaking of Kate Hadson's about to have a baby, a baby girl. Yeah, we should have her on. I just would love to talk to her like how she bounced because she's been married three times. I know, well, you know, with three different kids from three different daddies. So I'm curious all musicians like her. She's got a type. She's definitely definitely got a type.

But I will, you know what. I love her mom because when I got as soon as I started announcing that I was getting divorced, I was like, I'm never ever getting married again. I'm going to goldieh on it the rest of my life. I mean, it's working for right because they wake up every morning and they make the choice to stay together. There's not a piece of paper. Yeah, well, this is so much about it. I'm so excited. Thank you guys so much for listening. Um, this has just

made my entire world. I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I have. UM and Jen, you're so sweet. Thank you for being here with me. Anything you guys want to talk about, please let me know any advice, what you just anything, I mean, let's talk about it all. Email me at Janne Kramer at iHeartMedia dot com and we'll be back next week and we'll wind down together again