Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
I am so excited because the gangs all here. Guys.
I haven't forgot about us.
I know, I mean Easton, I know, I love you. You popped on the other like the other week. But then we have Mark.
Two, like, and people have been commenting asking for Where's Mark.
Where's Yeah they have If you go on the wind Down on uh whatever iTunes and you look at the reviews, it's like Jana sexex, Where's Mark Easton?
So it's like it's they're asking where you guys have been? So I feel like I kind of need to get a catch up Mark, where have you been? What have you been doing? Like, how's happy?
Do you? Guys have been doing the show early and so it doesn't work out with the Seacrest schedule. So that's the only reason that I haven't been here because I love you guys. Everything's been, you know, it's been, of course, the weirdest some forever. We did not go back to Wisconsin for the first time in our kids' lives. Eighteen years since we didn't go back to Wisconsin.
Did you do Wisconsin for like a fourth of July's or just was it always just like a summer vacation.
It was always summer vacation off and around the fourth of July, and always made it back, except for this year.
We didn't make it back.
It's just it's two airplanes scare us, and some members of the family we've heard of not taking it very seriously, and so we can't trust that.
So we just decided to stay here. But my daughter was in.
A musical, which was I guess commendable that they gave it a shot. They were so careful, they had the temperature checks, always in masks. They did the whole show either in face shields or in their own cubbies, which.
Made it a little bit hard to follow the storyline. But they gave it a shot, and I respect it. If there was something to do this summer.
I mean, how are they like, was it hard for them or is it just was it harder for you to see that versus how it was for them to enact that summer theater with one of those space shields on.
I think it was a challenge for them, but they enjoyed having a place to go, something to do.
You know.
She was with a lot of her friends and she made new friends, and so it was a great summer activity, as strange as it was, but as strange as everything is now. And they're resilient. They're amazing how they just kind of rolled with everything. I mean, they have hard days like we all do, but in general they're doing fine.
And next week they go back to school.
Okay, so California is oh on the computer, Okay, yeah, you know.
I think this is this whole thing is just a testament to remind all of us adults how resilient kids are, right, they roll with the punches better than any anybody else.
Like this morning, Jolie, when we dropped her off, she's like, Daddy, get your mask and yeah, without even skipping a beat. Oh yeah, not that, you know.
It's just it just goes to show that like we I mean, obviously we understand the ways that it affects us greater than it does our kids. But it's just it's inspiring and fulfilling to see that resiliency out of your kids, because it just like reminds you, like, all right, it's gonna be okay, Like we're good. It's not the end of the world.
Yeah, when is it ending?
Though?
Yes?
Yeah, no, Actually, Mike, I just got home about five minutes ago. Right now, it's what is today, Today's Thursday when we're recording this. But he's like, oh, did you just go get an IVY because I had a like a little blood thing or what are those things called, like a compression. He's like, did you give blood?
Get?
No, I went and got an antibody test. Yeah, And so I hear they're not like super accurate, but I still wanted to go because I'm still not super convinced that I didn't have COVID.
I mean, even those doctors and nurses were surprised that you kept getting negative tests.
Yeah, so I had I caught like pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. And so but I mean the whole thing with what's Alyssa Milano because she got all those negative tests she had she was super sick, and then she got a positive antibody test. So it's just I don't know. I just in the back of my mind, I'll I'll say I got a test for that reason.
But also because you know, we're filming a movie right now and we have to I don't know how much I can actually like legally say, but we had to shut down again because a few of the actors tested positive. So we have to shut down, and we did yesterday.
You know, we're we're you know, we all have to be retested again and we're all like re quarantining and you know, but I was in the scenes with the two girls or the two people that did and so I have to really like be like and as I've started to get like nervous, and all of a sudden, my chest felt really heavy and was like, of course I'm going to get like I didn't have my mask on because we were in the middle of the scene, and like it's just like now I have all this
anxiety and of like I'm freaking out, like, oh my god, I'm gonna get it, and am I going to be the case that's like down and out? And oh my gosh, I just had pneumonia, so like does that mean my lungs are more compromised? And so I just start to kind of like go down that rabbit hole and it's just kind of it's just scary and I hate it. It's like there's so much like the fear is so incredible with this disease or the you know, the pandemic it.
Goes back to everything from the beginning. It's unknown the whole thing with like, what is it the Ohio senator or whatever that was supposed to go to the White House and he got tested four days in a row and he tested positive, the negative, positive, the negative, and it's like, yeah, the governor, whoever it was. It's just like, what are you supposed to do when you get that kind of stuff?
Well, and so did Stafford too? Do you see this stuff with Michael Stafford or Matthew Stafford the Lions quarterback? I mean, he kind of the same thing. And the one of the people that got tested there was another person on the crew that as well got tested positive. She had corona in June, and I was like, you know, there's reports whether you can have it or you can't have it again. So it's just there's so many conflicting reports, and you know, I feel awful for myroducers because they're
they're stuck in a rock and a hard place. They're trying to, you know, continue on and in such a weird time, and you know, they're all abiding by the rules and they have the all the face shields and
the masks, and you know, we like nothing. Everything is prepackaged foods and like I've been living on in crustables and it's just like they're doing the best they can, and they made the right decision by you know, halting production, sending everyone home, right, But it's just it's it's just crazy because it's like are these tests even accurate?
You know, It's gonna be interesting because we have Eric Winter and Russell and Sanchez on later today and She's about to go film something and so it'd be interesting to have this conversation with them too on you know, their thoughts about going into this kind of stuff and they're both working actors, so to see their experience with it too, because you're experiencing at firsthand right now, and that's got to be stressful.
Well, it's stressful because like I just I want to work, you know, but I also want it to be safe for people. But I mean, again, the producers are doing awesome. They're you know, they're they're doing the right thing by making sure but it's just I just wish there was a definitive test, Like I is that too much to ask for? I feel like, how is this the best? You know, like in Armageddon, you're saying that of all the people we got, this is the best idea NASA can come up with, you know what I mean.
Like this is the best, great reference, great reference. I appreciate that, but it's like, I mean, it's how I feel about our presidential candidates.
But it's very true, like this is the best.
You got, the greatest country on Earth has to offer.
Yeah, So I mean, I just like, can't something in life just be one hundred percent accurate?
Nah? Nah, too easy that way.
I don't know, Mark, what are your thoughts on all of it and going back into work versus not or all those things?
I mean, that's a really good question.
We we had a plan to go back at one point, but then everything started to spack again and they scrapped that plan. And there's been no other words of going back. And that was at least a month and a half ago. So I don't see us going back this year. And you know, we go back and forth on traveling. Is a hotel safe? We did do a hotel it seemed okay. It's it's all it's so much of its fear based that I think we will have a test eventually that works. It's just it's all so new. There's still so much
we don't know about this virus. There's still so much. They say kids may transmit it to adults, they may not transmitted to adults. They say kids may have a there may be something in your eye that's causing people to get it, but kids don't have that is developed yet, so they're not a step.
Like, there's so much we don't know, and so you just kind of got to hole up and wait it out. And who knows how long it's.
Going to take.
I know, that's the thing. I'm like, guys, we're going to be filming this movie, like take.
Three months to shoot it shoot one week a month.
Well, and kind of like the sad running joke is, you know, we started shooting on a Monday. I caught the pneumonia on Wednesday, and then you know, we went back to work the following Monday. Within wednesdays when we shut down again. So it's like we can't even make it to a Wednesday. Like but I know, I mean, I hope you know they're they're doing everything they can again, Like the producers are awesome, Like they're doing everything they can to make sure that you know, we're getting all
tests and being safe and stuff. So you know, the the upper respiratory thing that I do think that was what I had too, but like you know, who knows, but like the doctors are like, that's going around now too, and you know, even with like more allergies in August, so you just don't know. But you're like any time you have a symptom, you're like, oh God, Like I take their temperatures every day I'm going around. I take Mike's temperature, I take the kids mind temperature.
Every Well, you kind of did that even before the pandemic, so now you have a valid reason for I really did, didn't I.
Yeah.
One thing that's kind of cool is we are adapting. Like like my daughter, my other daughter is in a dance class. They have started them up again in.
A parking lot, spread out wearing masks, and it's like these businesses have to figure out something or they're all going to go under. So it's been kind of interesting to see that and it kind of works. You know, they say that you can get your haircut if the barber is wearing a mask and you're wearing a mask, you're gonna be okay almost for sure. And so if that's the case. We can start to adapt as a society. We can have dance classes, we can go to restaurants
kind of. And so that's been interesting to watch the resiliency of kind of the people like, Okay, got it.
We can do this. If we all work together, we can make this happen.
Especially all those small businesses. I don't remember who else talking to recently, but in La, you know, there's so many little strip malls with all these mom and pop businesses and stuff. And even when we're living there, Jana and I would always kind of comment it's like, how does this random place that specializes in this one little niche product or service stay open in this random part of North Hollywood or in the valley when there's another one just like it a few blocks away that's a
completely different company. So with all this stuff, like, how are these businesses in a place like LA or New York that's just so on top of each other when there's so much to choose from? Are they even I would feel like there'd be empty strip malls like every other block now with all this stuff going on.
Yeah, I mean even in here too, you know, I mean, this is the small, little, small city towns. You know, mm hmm. It's kind of sad think about that, you know what not to like get like super negative. But I have been thinking about this that I brought up. Is it too? I'm not going to like say who it is bring it, but I'm curious to kind of get marks thing because this has kind of been wayne heavy on me. So I'm not going to say who it is, just to be mindful of their their business
and stuff. But I know someone that is on basically life support. They thought he went under for COVID, but turns out like while he was under, they found out that he had a really aggressive lung disease, like he had lung cancer. So now he's on this ventilator keeping him alive, but they want to get him healthy enough to basically wake him up so he can say goodbye.
And I guess I was trying to think in my head, I'm like, what would you do you want to be woken up to say goodbye to your family only to know that you're gonna die, or would you want to not be woken up and not say goodbye?
Wow, that is a heavy question.
I know. I'm sorry, it's just really been weighing on me because I'm like, well, of course i'd want to say goodbye, but then I'm like, I don't know when I don't want to know I'm dying and then I'm going to be gone, Like I don't know if I could like hold on to that too. So I'm just like, it's just been a I never like heard what you thought. So I thought it'd be interesting to bring market on this too, because I'm like, I don't know what I would I don't know.
I'll answer it for me. For me, this is easy, wake me up. I want to know, really, because you know, I feel like even in that state, like when he's on a machine to be breathing, right, his mind's still his soul's still alive, so his mind's thinking, it's like, all right, I'm gonna pop out of this you know, COVID stuff. I'll get over it. I'll be fine. And then if all of a sudden he's gone and his soul is just like, man, what what the hell happened?
Like I just you know, died. He didn't know that That would just feel unsettling for my soul to know, like I didn't get the explanation, and they just like, no, let's not wake him up. I would want that.
Oh, they obviously like if he can wake up, that's what they want. Like, but like he's you know, so like it's not like they're not waking him up because.
It's a choice, no, for sure, but they're.
Just like they're holding out hope and not pulling the plug to hope that he can.
Wake up so they can tell him he's.
Gonna die, so they can tell him he's gonna die.
Right, I would, Yeah, I would want to. I would want to for hope to be held out so I could wake up and I could find out myself and then I could say goodbye.
That's hot, Mark, I mean, I agree to a point.
I think that I'm not sure about the whole soul thing, but I think that if I'm in a coma and I'm just going to fade away, it's.
Almost the easy way out. It's almost a cop.
Out on my part to just just head into the darkness and catch you later.
So the emotional aspect of it.
Right, exactly right, because it would be very emotional and heart but I would also want to create a memorable, wonderful last moment with my family, with my daughters where I give them some wars of wisdom, I make them.
Laugh one last time.
You know, I'd want to have a memory that they can hold on to forever, rather than just watching me.
Fade right, because they all go that you you know, that person goes under is in a coma, and everyone close to him is like not thinking they're gonna have to say goodbye, right right, So it's like, exactly, it's almost more for your family or your kids.
They're going to have a last memory of you, So let's craft a good one rather than have it be whatever random last thing was before you.
Fell into it.
I want to give you know, I want my kids to be able to hug me yeah, and get a hug in return one more time. Let me squeeze them with all I have and tell them Daddy will always be there.
It would be so hard to resist the being like there's buried treasure and it's.
Something like or like I never told you the family secret your Aunt's.
So hard to resist that kind of thing, So I don't think I could do.
He wants to be able to wake up so he can mess with his family. I can troll my children one last time before checking out. I have a million dollars buried in and fade out. Your kids, It's been the rest of their lives, digging up everywhere.
I pulled the doctor, and I'm like, okay, you got to pull the plug. Like when I close my eyes, if I keep going and checkt.
Me with something I don't know, he doesn't pull it yet You're like, doc.
Now now, I mean, I mean, ultimately, I would obviously want to say goodbye, like that's ultimately. But I was struggling with that.
No, I get it is tough.
It is tough because I would never want to know when I'm dying well.
It's like the question that we've talked about before. It's like, would you rather know how or when you die?
Well? And this is the case in that scenario when, because then I would know how many days I have left to cherish them. But in this one, it's like you're up, you're down, you know what I mean, Like.
Not like I mean, yeah, I mean you don't know how long you this question would have but yeah, it's but if you.
Know when, Like if I knew on a specific day, I would just like wrap myself in bubble wrap and get in bad.
And I'm not moving because you can't get me.
It's like final destination, your ceiling, your ceiling field will fall down and like cut your head off. Maybe it's going to find a way step it.
I read a great.
Book called They Both Die at the End, and it's about uh in a world where you get a call that morning saying you are dying today so you can get your affairs in order and enjoy your last day on earth, and at some point during that day you're gonna you're gonna, you're gonna die. It's a great book, and I don't want to spoilt the ending for you're gonna ask that question. I mean, that's the tides of the book. But but that's that questions if.
You know when, but you don't know, how how do you live that final day?
I think I'm just so honestly, I think, like with the core of it, I think I'm so afraid of dying because of my kids. Like you would be fine my kids, Like no.
I mean, like I don't know, like you mean, like i'd be fine if you died, or I'd be fine if I died, know.
Like you would be okay, Like you wouldn't be okay, But like you'll survive if I died, Like my kids like to not have like their mom, you know, Like I think I've just like ever since i've had Jase, I've just been like and I think with the Corona stuff, I'm like, I don't want to die. Like when I was in the hospital, you know, for the morning thing, I'm like, do you think I have COVID? Am I going to die? And then nurses like, you're not going
to die. I'm like, but how do you know? Like I'm going to be the one like and she's like, you need to breathe, take a xanax, Like, but I just I just get scared because it's like, you know, I just I'm so scared. But I know I shouldn't because I believe in God and I believe in all those things. But I'm still scared.
Well, it's normal to be fearful of dying, I think. I mean, you're a little bit more paranoid than I am about it, but I share the same fears and feelings still, like I don't want kids to live without me or their dad or I mean, it's deep stuff.
It's deep, but you're not fraid for you.
You're afraid for your the people you leave behind, that's what you're afraid for.
Yeah, totally. Oh, anyways, how do we lighten this on? Sorry, guys, here's one thing I will say, though, I'm starting to learn how to manifest and think positive. So that's what I've been doing lately.
I've been trying to get you to do that for years.
Well I'm doing it now. I had a girl, so I am like, when I get that thought in my head, I'm like, no, you're not Jana. You're going to be fine. It's all going to be good. You're going to live a long, beautiful life.
All right. I'll lighten this up and just say something A story out of left field. You've heard this one before, but Mark talking about a book made me think of it. Where when I was a kid, my parents would give me like summer reading. So I don't remember the name of the book. But so my mom comes home one day from work. It's later in the summer. I should have read it by that, and she goes, all right, do you read the book? I was like, yeah, all right,
let's sit down, let's talk about it. Like, all right, let's do it. So she grabs a book she kind of looks at it and she's like, uh so, what was it about? And I started giving her some you know, notes on what it's about. And then she's like, oh, what was the main character's name? And I'm like, you know, he didn't actually have an He didn't he didn't have a name. And she's like, really, you didn't have any I was like, no, they went through the whole book.
He didn't have a name, just called him him or he. She flips the book over, reads the back, like summary of the book. On the back of the book. It's like, oh, it shows right here his name is Danny. Like you didn't even read the back of the book. You're gonna sit here and lie to me and not even read the ten words on the back of the book that say to main character's name is like Danny. I was like, you got me. Yeah, I was like ten years old, Like, ah my bad. Classic.
Well, we should probably get someone on that can help us, like a child therapist, because I really would like to know, you know, just because of the situation like when you were a kid, and then you.
Know, or we can get some other parents and Eric Winter and Ruslyn Sanchez.
Well actually they're in the waiting room. So let's take a break and let's get him on boom.
So, like we said, we wanted two other super parents to join in on some of the topics we were talking about, and they have some exciting things going on. So let's welcome Eric Winter and Rosalind Sanchez.
For having us.
Lah okay, because we just started. We were just talking about Corona and everything going on. So I'm gonna I'm doing a movie right now. And we had to shut down because of some positive tests, and so I've just been like semi freaking out and I'm like, oh my god, it did I have it? Am I gonna get it? You know? And I heard that you guys had it? So what were your symptoms? How did you get it? Like, I just I need to know.
We don't know how we got it. The Yeah, we were like super crazy, super crazy careful.
And then.
A little boy had he's trying to have he had a fever one night the day before. The nanny was like came to work with like allergies, you know. I mean like like she's like I don't feel well. I think I have allergies. But we didn't think anything of it because she's super responsible and she works here all the time, so we're like, okay. The next day, Dylan gets a fever. Sunday the daughter gets a fever. So not both kids have a fever.
No, no sniffles, no, nothing like twenty four hours.
Yes.
So I was like, I'm not happy about this. So I texted the nanny saying, how are you feeling, you know, because the kids have a fever, and she's like, you know what, I'm not feeling great. I don't think I should go to work Monday. I'm going to do the COVID test. We're still in denial thinking it's not COVID. You know, there's no freaking way. We're so careful, there's no way they're not. Fast forward to Tuesday, she's positive. Then by then I am wiped out in bed fever.
I'm dying and everybody's possied.
But the range went completely all over the place. So our nanny was probably never more than like a solid cold. I got symptoms the same day she did, but later in the day I was never worse than like a solid cold.
No, the nanny will had diarrhea. Danny did it.
No fever, So she's thrilled that you just said we love it, but still like that doesn't make you think COVID. You could have a you could ate something bad. You know, her symptoms were mild. She wasn't in the hospital, no breathing issues, mind, I was pretty mild. The kids were over it, whatever symptoms they had. In twenty four hours, my mom got it zero symptoms, completely asymptomatic. She's gonna be seventy next year, had pneumonia last year, so she
should be super high risk, totally asymptomatic. And then raz has like I would say, like a solid high end flu. And that was like the extent of it really bizarre. I mean, you did get the bad loss of taste.
I lost, like when they tell you you can't taste or smell anything is no joke. Zero That would zeer me out, zero zero, It freaked me out.
I was.
It is the most disturbing, like like nothing nothing. Then you don't want to eat because I know for the for the three days I didn't eat. Then when I started eating, I kept telling Eric, I don't want I don't want to eat. I can't taste anything, like I feel like I'm eating nothing. It is the most bizarre symptom to me. I mean, besides the fever and the body aches, I was miserable, but the taste was out of control.
Here's what I will say. The testing system is a mess, all well, and.
That's and that's the thing, because it's like the one girl that tested positive had it in June. The other one, like, you know, she has zero symptoms. The one other one has the stuff you knows, so like, okay, maybe, but it's just I feel like you're there's so many false negatives, false positives, like I'm just like and then you know, when working on a movie too, and the marazzlyd you're about to leave for you know, five weeks to shoot a movie. It's like when someone gets it, it's like
you have to shut down. It's like and then you're just like left worrying like when and are we going to finish this?
You know?
I know?
Oh my, So so what's what are they telling you? What is production telling you? You shut down? Like when can you come back two weeks?
Well, it depends if they get If the people get two more positives, then we shut down for fourteen days. But if not, if they are like if they get two negatives in a row, then we can go back on Monday. So it's just okay, it's a waiting to.
Get you guys. Did they do nasal swab with you guys? Yeah, So that's the most accurate that we found because we did a bunch of We did nasal and we did the oral saliva.
Even blood work you did because of well, I did.
The finger prick. Finger prick says I'd never even been exposed. So that's how inaccurate that is. I'm like perfect, I'm perfect with the finger prick, the saliva I had it once, didn't have it two other times, and then with the nasal swab had it.
Yeah, it's really there's confusing.
Thousands and thousands of people doing these like the oral swab in LA and they're all probably being tested negative and guarantee you twenty five percent were positive.
Well, that's what's so crazy. It's just like the fact that whether it's the governor of Ohio or US or anyone getting tested, the fact that it's just false negative. Oh it's probably a false positive. The fact that false negative positives being thrown around that much just gives me no reassurance at all. Because Jana, our story actually almost mirrored what you guys were saying about the kids, because
like a week and a half ago, same thing. Our daughter comes home running nose, has it for two days, then our son gets it, same thing, nothing more than a running nose. Then Jana and I a week and a half ago, get it. Mine was like you eric, like a cold. I was good after twenty four to forty eight hours. I was good. And Jana hers ends up turning it into pretty much pneumonia and she was like going to the hospital and was They actually had to cut three days of production last week because of her.
Okay, here you are blaming the COVID pace.
And then and then they can't even get a full week because three days in the shoot they had to cancel because of her. And now this week you get those people that test positive for COVID. They haven't even been able to get through a Wednesday yet.
Oh my, but like, but I test a negative.
And I don't know, think you just had like a like a cold or flu.
I don't know.
Even the doctors and nurses were surprised that she got another negative test.
When she was feeling that bad, I went and got an antibody test just to see even though I know those are inaccurate too, but like just to like see Drew blood.
Yeah, no, that's supposed to be the most accurate. If you drop blood. Okay, what did you say?
I get it in two days?
Okay, so if it then, then you'll know because if you've never been exposed, then you were definitely negative.
That's crazy. But okay, but how okay? Can this gives me so much anxiety? Like does it not as anxiety or is it just me?
It's somebody's making a lot of money off these tests. Somebody is making a lot of money off these tests, because I'm telling you all these city tests half for a bogus.
You know that I have to go to much money. I have to go to what is it Toronto, and I have to be in quarantine for two weeks inside a hotel room. I cannot get out if they catch catch you right, it's seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine.
They bring all the food to your doorstep and leave it there.
They I have to order like this. There's a pa in charge, and then he'll bring me or she will bring me breakfast, lunch, dinner. We'll leave it at the door so I can grab it, and I said, but what can I go to the gym one day? Can I go his? Absolutely no contact. You're inside the room for two weeks. I'm already freaking out.
That sounds like vacation. That sounds like vacation.
Oh my god, Like that does sound like here?
That sounds like the vacation right now? Dream?
No, I think I love I love it the first two days, but then I'll be I'm lustrophobic.
I don't know, same girl, I would be like that sounds like jail to me, Like, oh my god, so closed the phobic, Like I'll oh, I know, I know what Eric, would you want to do that? Or you on my husband's side?
Or would I be fine with two weeks? Yeah? He stressed out, like would the kids do? I'd be like thinking about all that. Right, No, this this guy is.
Yes, this is the guy that cannot sit still in a hotel room for five minutes. He will make himself busy with rubbish, with nothing, just just to go out and do whatever. So there's no more you're gonna be able to be two weeks inside a hotel crazy.
So I can mentally prep myself for it and just get a bunch of things to bin, binge, watch and chill.
Maybe. So, so then you're gonna go when do you leave for that movie? Monday? Oh my goodness. And then so you're gonna have the kids in huh, Eric.
I'll have the kids, I mean our nanny abible to help my moms down the streets. I'll have a support system. But then I start work mid September, so that's gonna be.
Oh so you guys go back to filming too, yeah.
Which I don't know how they're what they're gonna do. And that's what you were in l A and I. I mean there's gon me no real quarantine so that we get tested I think every couple days.
Yeah, so it's it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So you can't go past two days of not getting tested.
Oh my stuff just shoved up your nose every two days.
No, well they'll do the saliva thing.
I don't think they.
Yeah, oh sag Yeah, you just probably get numbed to it at some point you're just like okay, there you go and then like there's no I feel like this this is kind of mean, like silly to say, but like they just they kind of go up in your nose, Like they don't even tell you their name, Like they don't say thank you, I don't even know you, Like I feel violent, and then it's like I'm left in tears. They just walk away. I feel, so, can you at least tell me your name? Oh my goodness, I hate it.
Did they separate your trailers and stuff? Because I've heard that we're gonna have one separate trailer for makeup, one trailer for hair. They're gonna have plexiglass shields between each station.
Yeah, so I mean everybody has to wear the face shield and a mask. It's all like prepackaged foods. You can't so like there is no catering, Like it's just like uncrustables. So I feel like I'm five again. I've had more incrustables than like I've ever had.
Well the one day I told Jane because she was coming home poor thing, because she's a pick your eater, and so I was like, all right, I'll make you.
No, No, it's not that I'm a pick your eater. I just I don't really on set, Like I don't like the head like healthier food, Like I don't like the heavy mashed potatoes. And I'm like I just would like a nice salad with the grilled chicken, you know, like and.
So so the first day, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna pack you like a construction worker, like cooler lunch spots. Right, So I had everything. I was like proud of it, like grilled shake in, all this stuff ready for her. And that's the day. She didn't even eat it because she comes home that day sick and I haven't made it for a since. No.
All right, So in quarantine though, how were you guys, Like did you did you kind of get into a groove or were you guys feisty? And I mean obviously I know the feistiness there with you, babe, but like were you was there any bad fights or how were you able to control the quarantine inside the house.
We started so yeah, like the first few a couple of months were great. We're like, wow, this is fun with the kids like it was. It was actually good the first couple of months. Then we had a couple of months where did the fan and it was kind of like a rough couple of months.
Yeah, was it just like the communication or what was it?
And Eric had two surgeries, one low back surgery on a neck surgery while we're doing the quarantine and he it's just very massive surgeries, and he gets a little bit impossible.
She lacks compassion. What did you say you lacked compassion?
I do like compassion because you arenoying. So that's that's the problem. That's the problem. If you were nice. I tell him, you know, Eric, do you have to learn something? And it's been fifteen years and you're still not getting it. When you go into a hole mode, what you're gonna get is a lack of compassion.
What is a hole mode?
I'm curious, moody, like moody and snappy and.
Morning honey, kind of like that.
You know, wouldn't be babe, you just went through a couple of big surgeries. I understand why you're moody. Let me figure out how I can make you feel better.
Your mind exactly.
I guess all right, I guess no, no, no, listen. It's the first two months were great. Then he had his old the health issues, and then I and I have you know what, Yeah, I have I have an issue. You know, it's been it's been like a really self searching, soul searching thing for me to comprehend why I'm not more compassionate or when he's in pain, well.
When she's in pain, the world shuts down.
No, no, I will say this though, you know, I know Michael is like putting his finger up like that. The thing is is, I feel like when and I might be generalizing, but when when men get sick, like when Michael gets sick, you know, he doesn't he just he's dead, like he's in bed. He can't function. And I feel like when I when I get sick, I
still have to do things. So I feel like my compassion level isn't as high for him because I'm like, well, I don't get the luxury to stay in bed and you know, and do whatever I did this.
Last time you do. The thing is is I'll get sick once a year, and I'm down and out when you're saying I don't feel good every fourteen days, my it's really hard to be compassionate too when I hear that once a month, but once a year when I'm sick, Yeah, Daddy wants to lay in bed for a day and be left alone.
I can't cant with you.
You know, women, we are more, we feel more, you know, like I'm very in tune with my body. So if my ovulation is strong, I want to be in bed. When I get my period, I want to be in bed. No, I don't know.
I don't how do you guys rebound from like because I know for us too, like we kind of went through the same things of like the ups and downs of quarantine, and it's like, what is your way of how do you guys shake it off?
After like three or four rough days, then we get up one morning and we kind of like apologize, you know, I mean we started to kind of like apologize and then maybe he tries to be a apologizer.
No, no, no, no, and.
I am I have no problem saying sorry. I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry. And we I'm the more of the talker, you're less of the communicator.
Too much of a talker.
Yeah.
And then which is it's a great eventually talking after a few you know, a few I mean, we talk it out right away, then we kind of like, I have to feel each other out energy wise for a couple of days, and then we start talking about it more a few days later because we realized we're all trapped and we had two kids, so you got to work through it.
And then the talks go. Some of them are very beneficial and some of them are very enlightening, and we are able to understand each other's point of view. But that's out of five talks. Maybe two are that lovely, the other the other three, the other three, the other three, you know, because the thing with and we make it work through humor. I think at the end of the day, you know, and I just don't pay a lot of attention to him.
So then what.
Happens is I'm very black and white, you know, and when I'm done with the conversation, because I think we we already established the points and I'm clear we can stop. Eric is what a psychology? What do you have, like a degree in psychology or something? So he's all about.
It's all about.
He's all about I don't know.
He's always about the mind. To him is very fascinating to talk about a fight with my feelings, and he talks and talks about the same thing over and over. And I said, I got it already.
You're tired of having the same fight over and over and over again.
But I don't know if it happens to you, Dana, that when he repeats himself over and over again, I go from understanding so now I'm annoyed.
I so I hear you, but it's you're now Mike in the situation, and I'm now Eric because I even today we had a we had it. We were we
were fighting and you know, we were in bed. We started to talk at I don't know what time was it early morning, like seven, and we finished it around like noon, so like you know, it was, but it was one of those where like I I repeat myself because I feel like he doesn't hear me or he doesn't empathize with me, and so I keep repeating until I feel empathy, and you know, he's like, you're annoying.
I get it, but I'm like, but but like, why do are you saying the same thing over because I'm like, because I don't think you understand, because you aren't empathizing with my feelings.
She just I'm just a beaten batter dog. And then I finally realize, like, Okay, I actually hear you now after hour five of going in circles, you got my white flag. Is here's my empathy.
That they would be you know what with Eric at the beginning, he was so big and like you have to say sorry, you have to apologize. And when I when you don't think you're wrong or like I don't think I did anything to apologize for, it will give me a really hard time to comprehend why I have to back down and apologize. I haven't done anything. But just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that
I'm wrong. Now, like after fifteen years, sometimes I just go Let me just say I'm freaking sorry, and he'll get over it very fast.
Everybody has their truth of the situation. Yeah right. So like if if you did something that I relaves to a fight whatever that bothered me, it's easy just to be like, I understand you, I understand what I did. I'm sorry for that. I don't think I'm wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. In your mind, you didn't do anything wrong, but in my mind you did. I think you can go both ways, where you could just apologize and find the common ground.
Apologizing doesn't have to admit fault.
Yeah right, I'm sorry.
Well, but here's the deal, though, If I just say I'm sorry, he doesn't go ahead, go ahead, no, but you want more of like.
Yeah, because when Jana says, well, when I have to apologize to Janna. It's gotta be I'm talking you turned on the Lifetime movie like I gotta be down and like, honey, I'm sorry. Like I could be hired as an actor maybe because of my apologies, Like they're fantastic, that's not Her stories are like hey, what's that player? I'm sorry? All right, like pat on the butt and then like walks out the room and I'm.
Like, no, no, no, no, not at all. That's awesome. Hey, you know, I love you guys. Hey, you guys have podcasts too that you're doing right, Yes, yes, cool? He said, Is that so fun? It's a lot of fun.
And you know, it's so funny. I just did this thing for the Latino market this this show this morning, and they were asking me, like how do you get out of out of the podcast? And I said, you know what, it has become like a like a like a therapy session, you know, because we we talk about a lot of things that are kind of like intimate, you know, and and we are very real and we have worked out arguments while we do the podcast with a lot of humor, you know, and at the end
it's it's very refreshing. We actually go like you know that that was fine, that was good. That was good.
It helps a lot, that's awesome. Good for you guys, Well, good luck with that. And we appreciate you guys coming on ours and kind of doing the same thing with us. So yeah, Eric and Ratlin, thank you guys so much.
And that's awesome and we can we can do this, okay, marriages. Marriages is a good fight. Okay, we can do it.
It is
Good luck on your thank you Mama, Thanks you guys.