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her alone, like my heart. I mean, she's just so scrutinized and it's yeah, like it just I feel bad, But we are like and I feel like such a hypogram, leave her alone. Let's talk about it on today and wind dumb. But I do feel like there's so much stuff out there, so you know, we just wanted to get the people on that can just give us some

more understanding because I have a lot of questions around it. UM, But we're going to have UM an editor, you're an editor who has been reporting on all things, and then a lawyer just to kind of catch us up to speed and help us understand what a conservatorship is. UM. And also yeah, but I do just feel bad because

I'm I'm friends with her sister, Jamie Lynn. I mean, Jamie Lynn wrote, um, I got the boy, and I I texted Jamie when I heard all this stuff um in the media, and it just you know, I basically just said, like, I'm praying for you and your family. I think I know we don't know the full truth of anything, and so just know that, like I'm here as a friend, supporting you, caring about you, praying for you. And she wrote back, you know, a sweet message, and

I'm like, girl, you don't need to say anything. You don't need to explain nothing to me. Like I'm just literally saying, we don't know, like y'all like your family, that is y'all's business. And unfortunately, I can't even imagine, you know, being in that situation and the things that like they're being so off to even Jamie Lynn, and I'm like, it's just like there's a lot that we

probably don't know. I mean, they're just a family in pain, just like a lot of us have, you know, these situations with families, but like nobody looks at them like that and they don't get that grace or that you know, understanding your kindness and it's sad. Yeah, and so again I'm sure there's Again I'm sure there's a lot we don't know. And you know, my friendship to Jamie, I would never ever dare to even ask, and that's not my business. And that's why I'm like, I feel bad

talking about her sister because we're friends. But again, I think it's just I don't even know what it is. I mean I feel like, you know, it's like, what are her rights and like if somebody is being you know, how you can have kids Like I think that's where it kind of struck us, as like you know, being women and them saying that she can't get the iu D removed or get married. I mean, that's where that's crazy. So we're gonna have Ashley Editor coming on very soon.

And then also I'm gonna throw a little curveball because when I was on Daily Pop, apparently the government is going to disclose that there are UFOs what so for that, I know, so um, all things Brittany and UFOs coming up next. Okay, So to kind of help break this down a little bit, since I mean I've only just seen what I've read and heard and stuff. But we have Ashley Collins, who's actually the business editor for the Hollywood Reporter, who's reporting on all things Brittany. So let's

get her in and let's chat about it. Ashley, thank you so much for coming on wind Down. Okay, can you just get us up to speed on all things Brittany. So in the Brittany conservatorship world, people had always kind of speculated whether or not she was okay with the arrangement. Uh, closest sources close to her would say that she was unhappy.

The fans would be dissecting every little thing, very little thing. Yeah, even you know, I was watching when I was watching that documentary too, it's like, Wow, They're like she said this word or it's like put this. I'm like, that's like they really went deep into it. Yeah, she posted three red pictures in a row. This is an s OS Like her Instagram was like an Easter egg hunt for people who were trying to figure out whether or

not she was okay. And so this week was the first time she's ever publicly talked about it, and we think that this is the first time that she talked about it. So in the fall, a few things happened, there was a push to make her dad less involved and share sort of the business aspect of the conservatorship up.

And also her lawyer said in a filing for what I believe was the first time that this has been voluntary this whole time, And so I think that may have been when she found out that it was voluntary, based on some of the things she said this week, and I think she was just done and ready to

speak her side of the story. I guess I just don't understand, like, how how I mean, at thirty nine, could she even be involved in a conservatorship because isn't it mostly for people who are a lot older and can't speak or Yeah, it's very confusing for a lot of reasons. It's been going on for a long time, and I think part of the issue is this hasn't really happened before, at least not to anyone high profile. There are I'm sure people who are similarly situated who

we don't hear about because the private people. But you're right, this is generally something that is put into place to help older individuals as they start to physically and mentally decline, and typically these end when that person dies. And so having somebody who's been in a situation like this one

out of it isn't something that happens very often. So what do you think that will we hear from Jamie a side the dad on why or you know what her because you know, I mean, I if I'm watching her Instagram, she's clearly not the Brittany that I've grew up with. I mean, she seems you know, I I don't. I don't know, like I don't know you know her

health or what her um mental state is. I mean, is there something where that will come out to be like, hey, this is in her best interest to not have another baby, you or even though I don't think it's right to have anyone control their body, having said that, if they're not physically capable, Like, I don't know, Yeah, the Instagram

situation is strange. I agree that it doesn't seem like her, and it'll be interesting to see how that changes moving forward, like if her posts do become a little bit more like what we would expect from her, and maybe this was just a cry for help the whole time. I'll be interested to see what her dad says now. Because they took a twenty minute recess so that his side could comment, and then it was like a lame, one sentence,

I'm sorry she feels this way. Basically, the medical stuff is interesting and very sad, and it could very well be that they're in a situation where she does want to have another kid and her family is questioning whether or not she should do that. But again, like they do, do they do like yearly mental evaluations or something like who is saying and how are they saying that she's incapable?

So the tough that's a tough question because there is a court of investigator assigned to Brittany who's basically her job is to make sure that this is working for her. Those reports are confidential, so we don't know other than seeing on the docket. It will pop up, but there's

no way to tell what they found. So The New York Times referenced one from a couple of weeks ago in a story earlier this week that was leaked, and she told the investigator then that she wanted to get out, and the investigator passed that information along, but apparently they

determined at the time that it wasn't right. I don't think Brittany formally petitioned to get out of it, but she at least made her wishes known then, and so now she's saying she out and she doesn't want them to do any kind of psych evaluation because she feels like she's seeing too many strange therapists and psychiatrists. And yet it may be tough for her to prove that she's ready to run her own life without taking that step. But she's still working and like making her own money. Yeah,

so she's what is she working on? Because she says she's not gonna tour and obviously she's gonna have she's you know, I think over the past however many years it's been twenty year, I don't know, fifteen years that it's been, she's worked that whole. How long has the conservaship it's worked the entire time? Um, I mean that's showing capability. The only thing is is like I look

back and it's like, okay, thirteen years from then. Again, just watching her Instagram, it just seems like she has continued to mentally maybe not be there in my like this is where I'm just this would be terrible. But like I'm like, what are they giving her? Are they giving her these pills or are they giving her something to like make her like which is just awful to think about. But you think, you know, I mean, look at Michael Jackson or or wasn't what didn't he get

like fed pills? I mean, you see these people that are just given things because they're under this. They either trust the doctor or they trust this you know, their father or whatever. It's like you just you don't. I don't know, it's just but watching the decline has been like super sad. Obviously as someone you know, a huge, huge fan of her and the whole situation, and she seemed way more together when this first happened. So that's where I just some kind of like, uh, yeah, it's

a tough situation. And obviously she feels like the people around her weren't listening to her and weren't doing what was in her best interest. But I would like to believe that they at least thought they were. But part of the issue here is anytime you're dealing with mental health. First of all, I don't want to diagnose her um, but she said this week that she knows she doesn't at least need some therapy, that there's stuff going on

who doesn't. We're all we all have. Sometimes people in that situation immediately turned to medication, and not every medication is right for every person, and so it could have been a situation where they're like, Okay, well she's not getting quote unquote better, so let's try more or let's try different, instead of listening to what she said wasn't

wasn't working. Yeah, I mean, I just I had a similar A friend was telling me about like this intervention they had on one of these artists who they just they tried one thing, one pill, and the doctor just kept giving the medicine. Because it's like when you get

these rock docks, they'll just give you. I mean, I could call a doctor and be like, hey I need and they're like, okay, great, they don't they don't really see what else you're taking or this and then the other, so it's like they're sometimes they just keep adding and finally they're like you can't even walk on stage, like you like you got to clean out all this stuff.

And so it's just scary and like, yeah, of course, like like you said, like you want to hope that someone is doing it for their best interest, but when there's I don't know again, I'm like, maybe it's just because where I'm at my life, I'm like hard time trusting anyone right now. But I'm like with all that money, and I don't know, like how do they decide, I mean, if they can, they can be reversed, and like when

would we will we know anything? So there's not like a hard deadline, but there is a hearing set for next month. I can't remember the date off the top of my head, and I'm sure that the judge is going to ask for some kind of status update because her response was Okay, well, clearly you want out of this,

like please put it in writing. But there was also a bit of a discussion about her wanting to hire her own lawyer, which is complicated because in the conservatorship, like the conservatorship has to hire her lawyer, so which actually makes no sense because I mean, she should be able to hire her own like, so then the institution that is, you know, she's she should be able to

have her own lawyer. Yeah, And the tricky thing is, though, if they decide that she's well enough to have her a lawyer, then that kind of immediately answers the question as to whether she's well enough to be in this situation. So I'm this hasn't happened before, at least not in the public eye, So I would expect that in the next couple of weeks will see some kind of a petition filed. I don't know how her family is going

to react to it. I don't know if there I'm gonna just say, Okay, let's let you out of it and see what happens, or if they're going to want her to be evaluated to make sure that she's ready, because I think if they thought she was, they would have said, okay, it's time to end this. But again, not who knows what's going on in any of their heads. It just makes me sad again the you know, we're hearing that she couldn't have another kid or get married.

It's like that that broke my heart because it's who for anybody to be restricted from that just cruel. It's just yeah, that that that, like, of all the stuff I was like that one just I mean, I can't even imagine like that. That's just awful. But I mean, where, what are what are your kind of like final thoughts on this? Actually, Like do you think you know because you don't know. Like you said, it's never it's never

been like this. Do you think that she you know, she she will be able to get out even though it's never been like this. I hope so, because it's clearly not working for her, and the point of this is to help the person, right, So if her family wants to help her and the people around her want to help her, and she's saying, this isn't helping me, this is making things worse, then you would hope they would find some way to end it while still maybe giving her some kind of support. You know, I don't

know what that looks like. I I would imagine that this will be messy. I unfortunately do not think this is going to be a clean like she files one petition and her family says great, and the investigator says great, and then it's just done. I expect that this is going to drag out for a little bit. But I hope that everyone involved is at least being mindful of what she said this week and actually you know, hearing just listening. Yeah, they need to listen to her too,

and yeah, and put things into action. And it just makes me sad, Like from watching that documentary too, it's just everyone. And I even't feel bad at having this conversation. It's like everyone's always just talking about her and like, you know, picking on her, and it's just her life is just spin. I remember actually sat on an airplane

next to Larry her at the time. It was her um manager um, and he was just like, look over and he's told me that you know, he worked with Britney Spears, and he's like, look right out the window airplane window right now. He's like, every single person knows who Britney Spears. Is not one person out there does not know who she is. And I'm like, man, like, just having America Ripper apart and again watching that documentary, I just felt I felt awful for It's like, can

people just stop controlling her? And yeah, that's why she lost her mind. I mean, you got a jug right here. I mean she's Hamlin's got a mug that says Britney survived two thousand seven, you can survive today. It's like, you know, I mean, she's I feel terribly. Let her just live her life. Life is hard enough without everyone in the world having an opinion about how you're living yours. Amen to that. Well, actually, thank you so much for coming on and keep giving us the real news. Okay,

I will thanks, all right, thanks. Okay, Now we are going to bring on Benny, and Benny is a she's a lawyer, UM last fifteen years, so we're going to just kind of ask her on the law side, um, what she thinks about all of this. Hey, how are you good? How are you guys good? Thank you so much for coming on. Wine down. So we just got off with Ashley. He was a reporter that's been kind of following all the Britney stuff and on the law side, we just have so many questions, So if it's cool,

can we just jump right on in absolutely? Okay? How can a thirty nine year old be in a conservatorship?

So basically there's a triggering event um, which was her um what a lot of people call like, you know, psychiatric breakdown thirteen years ago where um, you know, this was like right after she had had her babies, and you know, the documentary that that we all saw sort of explains that UM and typically conservator ships are literally to concern of a human being when there is a threat that they cannot you know, manage their own personal

decisions and their own financial affairs. So the court literally appoints another person UM to manage that those decisions so that the person who is being conserved, called the conservative UM is conserved and UM, you know, they're they're protected from basically a host of bad things that can happen to them. And typically the conservatorship you know, last until like the person dies, because it's usually for like older people. And so that's why I think this case is kind

of a little bit more unique. Absolutely, you you hit the nail right on the head there. UM. Traditionally and commonly conservatorships are for for elderly disabled adult olds UM. And so this is a case that is very unusual in that UM, what started out as potentially UM a temporary measure to protect her has turned into like a very restrictive UM life long you know, like commitment UM to be conserved and have somebody else make the decisions for you UM. And certainly, I think normally the way

a conservatorship terminates is when a person dies. So this case raises a question of she's thirty nine years old and hopefully she has many many many decades ahead of her, and is she going to be under this conservatorship until she dies. Clearly, um, you know that's problematic from a standpoint of somebody who potentially had an issue and needed to be conserved but no longer UM needs that. This

is probably I have to really stupid questions. One she said she had an I U d M and she just go to the guy in cologist herself and be like, take my I D out because like it's not like she walks around with her conservatorship paperwork saying like, well it says right here that I have to keep this in Like can she just be like enough f that, like I want this I D out. So it's it's

really it's it's not a dumb question. Actually, that's something that really struck out to me when reading her transcript, is that important reproductive choices. We're being like the conservatorship controls her rights, uh you know, her like reproductive rights, which uh it seems you know, really unusual. And the other like really unusual aspect of it is. Um. So, so I don't know that I don't have all the information to exactly answer that question about whether she has

that freedom. Certainly, based on her words, she does not at least feel like she has that freedom or she's been told she doesn't have that freedom to just deny that and say no, I don't want, you know, this device that prevents me from procreating. UM. The other unusual aspect of it when I read the interview was, you know,

she mentioned being administered lithium. And from my uh, you know knowledge of the law and conservatorships is that you cannot force someone to take a psychiatric medication without a different type of conservatorship like those are usually called LPs conservatorships. And I'll admit that I'm not really familiar with all the details of this particular conservatorship, but to my knowledge, at least what's publicly available I'm not aware of, they're

also being an LPs conservatorship over um MS spears. Do you do you think she'll be able to get out? Um? You know, I think that nobody can doubt, you know, the eloquent and powerful way in which she delivered her statement to the court. I do believe that. UM. You know, she has definitely started that conversation and saying something like

I didn't know that I could terminate this conservatorship. UM. You know the best thing about this particular cases that it happens to be before a judge that is amazing. I mean, she's probably one of the best judges on in the probate court in Los Angeles, So she is not going to let a statement like that go without actually exploring to see, you know, what needs to happen, like, do do restrictions need to be lifted? Does this conservatorship

need to be terminated? Like all of those conversations have now started and are well underway. Another really stupid question, but because the conservatorship was her father, you know, her father was the person doing it, isn't I mean, he's a guardian. So it's like, I mean, why would you have to put a conservatorship when you're a parent, Because when you guardianships are from in her children, your parents

is your minor. And then when you're an adult and if you need to be conserved and somebody needs to be made your decision, then you become a conservatore to to be able to have that official authority. Got it, got it, got it? Got it? Well, thanks for your insight. I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know your stuff. Of course we're gonna have We're gonna have you back on. We got some more law questions for you. Sure, okay, all right by girl. Well, I just because how do

I say? It's in my twisted movie brain and I'm like, oh, he's probably paying off the judges. He's gonna pay off this person, because it's just I think money ruins families for sure. But I just hope and pray that whatever is meant to be, and I just hope that she gets the help, she gets what she wants, and there's just support because I mean, again, we don't know the full the full situation. I think, you know, the very least. Just people just need to listen to her words. Yes,

very well said. Okay, it's the moment we've all been waiting for. Um UFOs pamelin Do you think they are real? Yes? Yes? Oh my god. I thought for sure you're gonna say no. And I was like, oh, here we go. I do you do you think there's so many like unexplained weird things that have happened that that's the answer for me. So if you think there's UFOs, that means that there's aliens. So what kind of like, wow, do you which alien

do you? Because there's been a lot of alien movies, So what does that alien look like to you, like who's flying the UFO flying the ship? Right? I mean I think it's Tom Cruise. Is it like the it's a similar like similar to human? Oh you think it's human like not like they like Rihanna, they resemble humans, but like you know, like a body in arms and that kind of thing. Okay, So like if we're talking um Will Smith Independence Day, is it like body arms like that or do you think it really has like

our kind of flesh? And I mean I think it's more it's just like you know what, I'm visualizing my head. Who who am I to even? Like no, but I just like visualized like it really almost like an like they're a hundred years old looking, you know what I mean, just like really like thin and like just Crawley, I don't know. Do you think people have been abducted by aliens? I mean people say they have listen to their words, listen to their words, like who are we to say? True?

I mean the guy and again Independence Day, he was he saw it coming. I one thousand percent believe that there's aliens. I'm I believe in all of it. I believe in ghosts, I believe in area what what's the area fifty fifty something? You are together? That's Oh, I think it's something like that. That's area fifty one. I think, well, I believe the government has been hiding that stuff for us for years. Yeah, Area fifty one. I mean, so I'm like, where is it? Let's go do it? Um Mark,

do you believe in aliens? I believe in aliens in the grand sense of the universe, Like if the universe is intimate, I don't believe it's possible that there couldn't be some other form of life somewhere, just by the definition of infinity. But I don't know that. I believe

that we've been visited, and I don't know. I think it might be like, you know, if you picture a beach and we're a grain of sand in Huntington's Beach and the aliens are on a grain of sand in Newport Beach, like they're never going to find each other. You know, it's like that kind of a situation Easton.

I like the idea of them, but I don't know if I I just feel like, um, we must be so primitive to any anything that has the ability to come to Earth, Like I feel like it would be like, uh, why why make like I'm not out there trying to make contact with the squirrel on my on my fence, you know, because he has nothing to offer me. So I feel like, I don't know. I feel like they're out there, but they're not going to bother Earth because it's like, what do we have for them? You know, everything,

every ever anything. We've got food, we've got technology, we've got Earth. I mean even Jolie said the other just like I love our planet, Like our planet is great, it's great, Yeah, but like for an elevated life for him, I mean, they must have bigger fish to fry, that's what stuff. Yeah, oh they want they want that. Do we know that? I mean they're probably, Yeah, they're insane, amnicable of aret eating all those tiros, you know, like

they're they're they're loving it. Although I feel like they look like the ones from Oh God it was It wasn't an be a quiet place. That's that's how I imagine. I did see a thing in the news where they're like extraterrestrials are probably landed on Earth. But get this, their bacteria and they're single cells, and I'm like, that's stupid. Yeah, that's lame. That's uninteresting. Yeah, that's super uninteresting because obviously, like I, I believe in that stuff too. But I

do think that we are not alone. I agree, oh um, but we have a UFO. I think he's like a specialist on the UFOs. He's his name is Nick Pope and he's a former UK Ministry of Defense employee. So um, he goes on record and talks all about his beliefs and opinions and um, he's a basically a UFO investigator. So I'm very interested to see, uh what he has to say about that, because when that came up on Daily Pop, I was like, yes, I want to know more. Um, so coming up. I love Nick Pope. Do you love

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rewatching together. We're visiting with all our favorite cast and crew members. We talked fast. We've got a lot to say. Listen to I Am all In wherever you listen to podcasts. Nick, Yes, Hello, Oh my gosh, I'm hello. Oh the accent. Yes, Hillo, it's so nice to meet you. Likewise likewise, So, we were just having the great debate about UFOs, and I've been told that the government is going to release some UFO information. Do you know anything about that? Yes, it

is supposed to be today. Stop really yeah, absolutely, Um, there are rumors flying around, there are leaks coming out of Washington d C. I mean, this report was requested from Director of National Intelligence by the Senate Intelligence Committee, and today is the deadline. So if it's any later than today, they will have missed that deadline. So we'll

watch and wait and hope. I mean, you obviously believe in UFOs, and have you seen a UFO Sadly, I've never seen anything myself, but I have investigated them for the British government and that's a job I did at the Ministry of Defense in the nineties. So so I'm I'm fascinated by this subject to me, and they can be few bigger or more profound questions than are we alone or not in the universe? And if we're not alone, my goodness, are we being visited? Have you what? What

did you find from your investigations? Like that there that it is? There is, it's out there? Um, there's just something that you found that you would love to share about your investigation. Well, sadly, we didn't find a smoking gun, so I can't point you to any one piece of evidence that says this is a extraterrestrial But we had, and the US government has, and that's why I guess

we're getting this report to Congress. A number of cases where these things have been seen by military pilots, tracked on radar, performing extraordinary speeds and maneuvers that we simply can't match. And obviously people are saying to themselves, look, whatever is going on, it's a figure out. Is it Russia or is it kinda or is it somewhere a little further away. We need to find out. I mean, do you do you believe that an alien is flying that UFL? I hope so of of I mean aliens.

Aliens would be far more interesting than Russians. So of all the theories that are out there, I think it's the most intriguing. And I'm not sure this report just because governments just don't come out and say, hey, people, there's aliens. So I'm not sure that this report to Congress is going to say that. It will probably say, well, we haven't found any evidence, but neither can we rule out the possibility we need to ramp up the effort to figure out what's going on in ours guys, if

and when that happens. What would you like to Ben? Like, what would you ask him? Like this is so weird, Like what would you want to know from like the alien species? Like what would be like the one thing like if you could like communicate with them, that would you would like want to know? I think if I could have just one question, I would say to them, what he is the most profound thing you have learned

from your journey as a civilization. I would just speak insane, like I just hope they're nice, you know, like they go. If if they're not, we're in big trouble. Because, frankly, I mean, any any civilization with the technology to get here from there. Given the it, even our fastest space probes, if we'd aimed them at the nearest star aside from our own son, it would take seventy five thousand years

to get there. So any civilization that's visiting us has technology orders of magnitude above and beyond anything we've got, so absolutely we'd better hope they're friendly, because if they're not, we're in big trouble. I mean when you say that, though, I'm kind of like, how is that really possible? Though, that like that far away there's I mean, I always

think that we're not, like, we're not alone. I do believe that, But the fact that there's this other technology that's light years away, I mean, do you really truly think that's a possibility? Yes, I think so, There's there's nothing unless we thought that planet Earth was almost literally magical, I mean, and the more we find out about ourselves and the wider universe actually more ordinary. We leok, just just an ordinary, rocky little planet orbiting a fairly ordinary

little star. And and there are hundreds of billions of stars just in our one galaxy, and then hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe. You know, there was a scientific study last year and it was just a guess, and it came in with a really low number, and it said there might only be only thirty six alien civilizations in our galaxy. And then I did the math and I said, wait a minute, that means that in the known universe there would be seventy two trillion civilizations.

And my goodness, look, if we just find one other civilization, it's such a game changer that that it would be beyond profound. That's what would science be able to like learn from that? I mean, what's like, why are we obsessed with, you know, knowing about it just because we can learn so much from how their civilization works? Yes,

I think so. I mean one of the things that we hopefully would learn is the secret of a viable interstellar travel, so that we too could travel between the stars and visit other civilizations and not be in a situation where where it would just take it, as I say, seventy five thousand years to get to the nearest one. So so I'd love to acquire that technology, I suppose, and have a situation where that was something that humanity

had access to. But who knows, I mean, pun intended, but the sky is the limit and and hopefully they would have insights for us that might help us um in our struggle to end and you know, starvation, disease, poverty, all sorts of problems. Yeah, well, Nick, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate all the insight and hopefully we'll we'll get some juicy details and we can fly up in a UFO together soon, well I hope, so look forward to it absolutely. Okay, thank you Nick

so much, appreciate it. Sure thing by now. For more information on UFO, watch UFOs Declassified Live, a three hour multi platform event beginning at eight pm Eastern five pm Pacific on Wednesday June Discovery Science Channel and Travel Channel. Okay, well that was fascinating and um yeah, it's just I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight because I don't know if the kids a sleekend, So I don't

think they'll hurt you. They would like love you, see, like I imagine that they look like the things from Quiet Place, but that they like they wrap you up in warm hugs, like they just want to be friends. Like I can't handle it anymore, Like no more meanness, no honestly, this is so morbid. Not morbid, but just weird. I've always wanted to go into the countries that we have a hard time with and be like, why can't we just get along? Like what do you need? Like

how can I help? Like like copy from trolls? That's you. I've never seen from trolls, and I do not like trolls. What I don't know? What's they're weird? Poppies amazing, not love? I like the cartoons were not cartoons, but like the movies, the kids movies, words like Riot, like that's a human being. I don't know, I'm not like a big The only one that I like that's not that's Ferdinand, Like how

could you not like Ferdinand? But like everything else, I'm like, I can't relate to I can't relate to a troll. I hate rolls. Trolls are made on the internet. I don't like trolls. I don't want to watch a movie about trolls. These ones like you know, like just throw confetti and love and they're sweet? What about toy Story? What he is? A So it's not my favorite. I'll be honest with you. It's it's not It's not my favorite, but he is still a semi person, you know, like

because Woody and Buzz not too much. Mr Potato had in the Dinersy, that's where you lose me. Yeah, that's that's where. That's where you honestly lose me. Um. But like, like up gotta love up. You know. Cars, No, don't like it. I don't. I don't relate to a car, you know. It's like it's like, how could I relate to Oh, sorry you didn't when you raise buddy, Like but yeah, any any like you know that's a that's

actually a person. Like that's where you're gonna get me, but you're not gonna literally the only one is Ferdinand. That's that I like, Babe, huh that's the pig. Oh that's the best you've even seen it? That's old school. I mean maybe I shoot, I got ruined talking about dogs last time, so like she's a terrible person. She got I'm like, I don't get rid of them. Were just we're sharing custody, okay people parents, but yeah, I mean even I mean homeward Bound. I guess it's cute,

but secret life of Pets No, I don't like it. Okay, well, but I will say this, there is one that's that I do like, but again very relatable because there it's a human form. Ish is sing, oh yeah, okay, because it's so long as they're people if they look like animals. But then there's trolls aren't real, they're just real and the Internet Zootopia. Do you like Zutopia? So that's what I was also going to say, is Utopia to where it's like, again it's human stuff that look they look

more human. I don't know, Like I don't like the Grinch, Hate the Grinch, hate the Grine. They don't look like real people. They look as human as the character. Like the way they look. They freaked me out. They scared me. J Cramer hates Who's it's going to be the headline? I just I don't know. I don't think they're relatable. I like Janna doesn't relate freak about it? Oh gosh, I know, like the Simpsons they're yellow when they have over bites. Is that a problem? I don't get their humors.

I never watched it. I agree, but it's not because of the humanoid nature of it. You just don't care. I will say also that too, like you know that it's just yeah, I don't. I don't like it, Like it has to be four fingers. Yeah, it has to be believable to me, you know. I mean, give me something else, like I'm talking a lad, like even like Beauting the Beast, like all those are great. You know, I'm having a tough one with Luca. I've only watched

half of it. Joelian didn't like it. I didn't watch it. Yeah, I've only I've only gotten through half of it. But now give me like a movie like Riot, like when she says I'll take the first step, Like I'm like, oh, I feel you, sister. Now we just rewatched a Little Mermaid this week? How do you feel about mermaids? Amazing? But they live underwater and they have fins. Isn't that a problem? But she has legs at the end turns into it. She makes the right decision in the end.

Oh my gosh, Okay, this show is just turned super wacky. Um, I love you guys. Have a great one.