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feel really behind with what everything like. I'm like, I keep thinking we're in February because that's how it feels, the calendar and all the dates and the flights and all the things. I mean, we just had to take twenty minutes before this to just like look at our calendars and schedules and figure out how to make it all work. But I'm really proud of us because there's a lot of moving pieces. With all three of us, there is. I mean, you've got, you know, kids, but

you feel busier than when it's different. Yeah, nighttime. Yes, yes, you're like I take that back. You are going, you're driving your kids from here to tim Buck two. I'm an uber driver. It's fine. You're also a cheer mom, which I just got to tell your hats because I watched your story. Yeah, Cat, we were talking about your schedules earlier, so maybe feel like those schedules aren't my schedule, that's my husband's schedule, and I'm just trying to keep

my family unit together fair right anyway. Well, you know, it's just because it's like when I sometimes when I hear your you know, nighttime with I'm like, I'm thinking, honestly to myself, I'm like, man, how is that going to work as a co parent situation too? With all the different activities And i mean even right now, it's hard because I'm like, all right, on the same day, there's soccer and baseballs and dance, and I ended up

having to We're we're cutting dance, are you? I am hanging up the ballet shoes for just because I've seen how good she is a basketball and soccer and I'm like, you know what, maybe she's just the sport and basketball and for her age, she's the only girl on the team. I love that, yeah, really, And she was so scared to go and I'm like, baby girl, because what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to do things too that have this same day and the same time with

both kids. That way, it's like not running around because it's hard, right, So not having like the other parents in the house to help go different places. So, uh actually feel this. And I have a husband, but like this, when it comes to any of this, it's all me. So I'm like, if you guys can't do it at the same time, right, we're not doing it. Yeah. We haven't even been able to hang up ballet shoes because

we haven't put on ballet. It's hard, it's yeah, and it's different than when we were a little you know what's so interesting My mom, man, my mom. I used to figure skate and she would drive me almost like minutes to this rank morning night. She had a full time job. I mean, no complaints, just frozen butt off on the stands. But it's like, that's a mom. That's what you do. And just like you like you're running like the kids. I mean, that's all you do is

run the kids. That's a lot. I also like camp out at like hotels for cheer camps, and I love it to get the stress of it and how it can and it gets stressful, but I love it. I do not know what to do when I have a afternoon evening off, I feel like Nick's a great partner though with it. Oh, I could not do it without. I mean, hear me when I say when we were separated, I was like, well, here's how we're going to do this this day. It doesn't matter whose day it is.

You're taking this kid, and I'm taking that kid and take an activity to cancel because I can't do it. Okay, right, So okay, So Julia's girl back to basketball. So we were she was, I mean, she was so nervous, she was crying. She didn't want to go to my baby girl. If you don't like it, we give it. We always say two to three tries. After two to three tries, if you're still, I'm not going to drag you here, you know. So it's that wouldn't be fun for anybody either.

So she she got if you don't like it, let's give it two to three tries, like that's our motto. Two three tries. And so with marriages and sports and all the things, that's a blanket steak literally three tries and after that we hang up our shoes. Can I have a fourth? I don't think she wasn't stop. You really have nothing on the field with that one. Cramer. I didn't mean this soft toss. But I'm real glad you caught that one. I really did. I two to three tries, and um, I just met with your last

I met with your last last husband. Not in marriages. Well that now how it sounded now it was like a slam. I didn't mean it to be a slam I made. You wouldn't be you wouldn't be the first, and you wouldn't be the last to slam me. Whether I mean it like that, I mean like you gave him two to three tries. No, no, no, like fifteen millions. Okay, I liked the other one. That one made more sense, the one where I was really awful. I don't like that.

That made way more sense anyhow, So due to three tries, and so she gets there again, it's all boys, and I'm like, all right, baby, girl, like you got this, you know, like you're so good. They start going in a line, you know, a little free throw line. She's hitting every single one. I mean, the coach is even like, whoa is this? Like she played before? I was like not a day in her life, Like I mean I'm talking not even like a dribble, not even a practice nothing.

So she's swish, swish swish, and I'm just like whole and Mike. So Mike came to the to the to the game or a practice. It's like a practice then a game. He walks over and he goes, I think she's going to be the athlete in her fad because I look over and I see Jay's just rolling, like doing like somersaults like the especially for basketball. Yeah yeah, but also like Jolie is just I mean when it comes to soccer to like Jays will just sit on the field, and Jolie's like she's in people's faces. She's

like goalie. She's I mean, she's like really defensive and just like she's a strong, strong person, like a strong player. And so but what was I was so angry because at basketball, so it's again all boys, right, Jolie was open. She kept I go, baby, girls stay open. Oh, but she's got her hands out open. Those boys were throwing the ball over her to another boy monkey in the middle.

And so I say, I text Mike and I go, are you seeing this because he's on the other because like, because I'm watching Jason, we're like and then we switched to go the other one. I was like are you seeing this? They're they're throwing the ball over her. Can you please go talk to the coach to be like, pass you could pass it to Jolie. She's open. She's saying open. I don't like that. So yeah, that sucks

over her. Yeah, and it honestly, it gets worse. Like if you're the player that like may not be the best, oh, they will just not pass it to you. And you gotta have good coaching to make about not being the best, about her being a girl. Well, and here's the thing too. So at the very end, the coach was like, good job boys, and I go and girls like, I'm just like, all right, if we're gonna do this, So after the words was like, hey, well you you talked to coaches,

you know. If not, I'm going to and I'm not gonna like because I'm in a mommy bear this and listen, I know she's a girl, but she she's she's hitting more, she's making more baskets than some of the boys. So don't worry, they'll quickly figure out she's the m v P everyone. But if not, we are all going to be there in our matching shirts. So it's gonna get really obvious and awkward bad. But I having said all that, it was one of those things where I don't know why.

You know, I was a figure skater not I was never I will never call myself a dancer, but I just it's not the route. Not a dancer, well, dancing with the stars. But you know how it's like, Okay, I think for a long time I really wanted her to be and having that realization, it's like, she's she's not going to be. It was like a little tingent like because I go, hey, baby girl, like do you like basketball or dance better? And she's like, basketball, Mommy, I want to do this so much more. And I

was like okay. And then it was like a little like my mom had that with me. I'm the jolie. She was like a cheer girl and all the coordinated things, and then there I came just as polish and uncoordinated as I could be. Yeah. Well, it's also like one of those things too. I'm like, I'm not going to be running around town if I know. That's why I pulled her owd gymassics. I'm all right, she she's she's not gymnastics wore me out? Yeah, because I remember talking

to Sean Johnson. I was like, so should I get her private training? She can she do a cart wheel? And I was like no, She's like she should be yeah, she should be done. And I was like, great, like tell me this, I'm not going to be the mom that's like you have a great voice and then for sure, but otherwise, like you don't want to be running around. I mean that's where I'm at with Ramsey with cheer. It's like, okay, like are we gonna go anywhere with this or not. I'm spending way too much time and

money for it to be a lot of money. When you when you're on your third or fourth activity, it's like all right, time to start, time to start cutting. And that's where I was like, all right, let's just do like the sports. And so now I'm like Jason, what I know he's going to do baseball with Leudgie. Yeah. No, no, he's gonna do yeah, he's baseball's soccer anyways, or we got totally off topic. But with the schedules and stuff,

so we were going to New York in Boston. Uh, we've got you're going out with your your hubby, making some time with him, I'm trying this year. His schedule is crazy, he's touring a lot, and he's got a new song coming up. He does Oh can we please talk about three favorite colors? Low cash, please pre save now and help our kids go to college. Alright, So today's episode is all about hot topics. There's some really good ones, you know what. I need this show because

I feel like I live under a rock. The hot topics come in from our young little sweet things and I'm like, what, who's doing what? Like I feel in my hundred no, because I didn't really know either. Until I didn't really know that I did see one that

I really am interested to talk about. Um. The only thing that I remember seeing that came up was about the Boy Meets World because I was always like, oh, boy, Mean's World because that was just so our generation watching that, and then I read it, I I was like, oh wow, so let's get into that when we come back from a break. All right, So do you guys know the whole uh Sean Penn, Robin right, Yes, I love them. I love both of them. I love both of them,

you know. Okay, So um, it says Sean Penn and Robin right together for the first time in years at the Los Angeles Airport. They were spending time together. Over the weekend, the Axes were spotted together at Los Angeles International Airport as they carried their bags up an escalator. The actors have both recently ended relationships. Uh. Penn filed his divorce from Ulilah in right filed for divorce and also two uh they were married from and they have

a son twenty nine and a daughter thirty one. So what do you guys think? Do you think they're back together or just like doing a casual Oh yeah, because this is a cat move, this whole escalator. Do they got divorced in so it's been years. I don't know. Did you see the photos. I don't know. Well, they weren't even really like, yes, they were together. They were coming up an escalator and she's kind of way behind him with the bag. Like it wasn't like they were

all cozy. So I don't know if they just ran into each other. They probably maybe they were going somewhere with their kids. Well, but I was reading an article about that and they um he had said that they had very separate relationships with their kids because part of the reason they broke up was they had different stances on how to parent adult children, which I found very interesting. So and I'm like, because that was my thought too. Maybe they were going and maybe they were, but it

sounds like they have very separate relationships. Feel like, a wait, a reason. Maybe it wasn't the full reason, it was just something that he mentioned. I'm like, if you've made it that far now, like adults, the difference between adults, and it sounds like one parent really wanted to still parent even though they were older, and one parent was like, and I'm going to guess him, but that's just a guess. They're old enough. Let them make their own decisions. What

do you think is old enough to make? Because I think your parent for the rest of your life. Now, I think there's a point where you have to kind of let go a little bit. Yeah, that's hard. I don't know one that will ever be for me. I don't you have to let them. I mean, I even think before they're adults, you have to let them make some decisions. And sometimes they're gonna, you know, sometimes they're gonna fall, and sometimes they're gonna make wrong decisions. But

that would be hard. I mean, I don't I don't know. It is interesting when you think about how people parent differently, right, because if someone were to come in, because I knew, I mean there was that was one thing like Max and I we we parent very similar, um same page. But if someone was to come in, let's say, my boyfriend and I continue down the road on the path.

I love it when we dropped the bee where we go down that path and it's you know, he's around the kids, and what if I don't like the way hear? That's that's a thing. I mean, that's definitely a step parent coming in. Yeah yet, Enny and Georgia, No, Netflix, I need to watch that. He's asking me to watch it and george table it. But that's in that it's in that Netflix series with it about like why she's a little more free reigin I'm a best friend kind

of parent. And then the step dad mayor comes in and it's like this is how it should be and blah blah blah. Well, so he's been we have talked about it because he has been in that situation before where he had to up in as a uh stepdad. Oh yeah that's true. So for a while. Yeah, I mean since yeah, I mean because he has two kids, so um and one of which is from a step parents situation. So he's like, and I told him this

the other day too. I'm like, obviously, like our world like whenever I come to see you, it's like the bubble like we talked about. But when you are, you know, when I'm ready for you to meet the kids and where we have it, CON's like it's a different thing. He's like, I've He's like, I've already stepped into it. I know, and I wanted to I know what I said up for what I want to take us to a different hot topic because Amalist didn't even I don't know if it's allowed. Well, can we just say what

the X? I think if they were awesome, I think sometimes it's all about timing, and I just wonder how accurate it is. Where did they just catch the same like where they just happened to be at the same airport at the same time. The photos to me didn't scream oh they're back together. But also I think that there's a familiarity. However, you say that word two, I

mean it's a twenty year relationship. They weren't married that long, but it was like an almost twenty year relationship that I also wouldn't be surprised if they're both getting divorced and they have spent some time together. Maybe there's just something familiar. Maybe they are a question and I think there's something sorry to be said about, Like I think it's okay to get back together after some time has

passed and people have grown. Like I know, I could never do that with a certain someone, but like some I could. Honestly, I would be like, you know what I was gonna be my question? Are you a girl? This goes to both of you because I have a friend who is late forties and she and a guy

friend just keep reconnecting. Because she's like, I would just rather know what I know and just catch up with him when I catch up with him catch up in air quotes, she was like, I'd rather catch up with the same person than go try to catch up with someone new and learned someone new. I think that's fair. So are you a person that would repeat the roster or are you someone that's unafraid to do new territory if you had the choice, Because I always, even in

dating younger, was always a repeat roster. I would say that I would repeat roster to see if anything has changed or if there was a spark, so like there had been. There were two guys that I saw during hot Grow summer that I had seen back in my twenties.

That's correct. I forgot about that, and yeah, one was yeah they're both yeah, and so yeah, I was like I was seven or whatever and both of them around that at that time, and so yeah, but either neither one of them there was like the spark really wasn't there, and so I wouldn't continue just because I had been there done. That wasn't a letdown. Did you kind of go like, man, I wish it felt like it did

when I was in my twenties. Uh no, because it was kind of affirm because I always kind of wondered, like, oh, I wondered if if I was in a different place in my life, which I am now, and if we could make it work, and I think it and I maybe kind of had thought from time to time about wondering possibility and it was like Nope, good done, possibility

gone out the window. Okay, cat repeat for sure? Yeah obviously, but I and I mean no, I had a similar situation with an ex boyfriend always wondered, went back and very quickly was like that, very quick like, oh yeah, no, nothing's here. Great. We were meant to be friends. See you later. Yeah, And I'm still friends with both of those guys, because it's like there was no bad blood

on either side. I think it was just if if someone's not going to can on both sides, don't want to put in the effort or whatever too on top of it, and the like feelings. It sound like all right, move along, move on, okay, but all right, repeat I was a repeat her. Keep those numbers low and keep those frequent shoppers happy. So what do you want to say about the bubble? For totop? I think Kat and I would like to talk about the bubble is a hot topic. Okay. I love that you just threw me in.

There's well, I didn't actually I didn't even know I was going to mention it. But you said you mentioned that you and boyfriend I do are in the bubble, and recently you were ready to pop the bubble and go public. Oh we going here. She's mad at me for calling the other one out. I just want to talk about the bubble bursting, because would you like to talk about my text message that I sent y'all, uh huh, Janna doesn't just send it to this is what the

people want to know. Greamer shots one day just so I can go on record. We got to be careful sometimes I text stuff to you guys, and I'm like, you know, because Screamer will go rogue and she'll screenshot something and just tag in it and not even like, hey can I pose this? And I'm like, well, I wanted to screenshot it something she can bury us, So to be careful. There's a lot s h idea in there. So so Creamer sends. She doesn't even send like hey,

what do you guys think? She sends us this full full movie trailer, Oh yes to song, start to picture montage of her and boyfriend, and she's like, I'm gonna go to Instagram with it right now. I'm just gonna get and I'm like, okay, whoa, whoa whoa, Like no, wait a second. The same where we talked to she posted that yes, well I have even more strong and I was like nope, no, no, And I keep going

Protect Scotland. That's my my slogan for all of this, because he is Scottish and I just really feel very passionate about him as a human and I wanted him protected. She's like, I think I just go in. I could tell. I could tell she's getting close, and then she got silent one and I wrote, and I go back to the group tex. It's like, and I answering this cat because she's busy posting to Instagram. She's taking her emo. She started it with, talked me off the ledge, so

we had every right to come back and try. That's usually what she says right before she hit the post. I was like, we're literally talking to each other, like like we're behind her back right now. Christ it doesn't matter what you say. She's not listening. I go, Kat's just me and you on here now, it's fine. And then you in silent and I was like, you're calling her as a manager, and so then I was like, I'm all here, but I'm just here by myself. What I've and is I say my piece and then that's

you know, manager character of thing. I just keep using the brave heart. What's wrong with the beautiful video I made? It's precious, so great, it is amazing. Which of this girl's like just put it out there like a month ago. I did not say just put that out there, but you know what brought that back to me as like, you know what, I am at a place where I'm like, you know what, you are transparent. A lot of people love that about you. Who cares about the people that

don't love that about you? Be you? Be transparent? And I do stand by that. But I also do agree to just give some time and protect it for a minute because of your state more than anything, because how it can be your state and your country. It can affect you because you're not even together, like you're not even taking a joke. Well really, I mean we have to there there's a whole pond in time zones between them.

But what I mean by that, Katherine knows where I go emotionally, like because people are just me, because people are me. Do you guys see that? Katherine s touchy. Ma. I don't want to bring attention to it because it's such a moment. She's snugly. We brought her to the dark side, but now we're holding onto a loan. The video was great. I think it was very sweet, and then I knew once I said Friday is not a good time to do this. She was like, Okay, I

did I thounds up to it. I think I did, yeah, And that's how I knew she was going back to Instagram anything. But do you so you feel like that might be coming soon? You might let the people know soon, Yes, but not because because here's the deal. Everyone knows I have a boyfriend that's already out there, and they're already trying to figure out who well they already did and fine whatever or I mean, you know some have, but like it's more like, how do I say this? People

are going to be mean regardless. So I think it's just one of those things where I'm like, why am I who cares? Like, um, I know, I'm we're well, you know, we're we're in a great, good place, blah blah blah, But like why, Like people will be mean? Yeah again, people will be mean regardless of whether I post it, not post it, hold onto it for six months, they're going to stay the same thing. Oh this is

gonna last losing a little. They're all gonna they're gonna say all of it whether I post it today or a month from now, but or two months from now whenever. So I think it's just one of those things where we you know, we talked about it and it was just maybe when we're together next. I don't know. That's what I did. Like that thought of being together when it happens, so that way you can like quiet the noise and then it's over and then I can post

and who cares. It's like and it really doesn't matter. But I have liked being just holding onto it and just really but also you have making a great foundation together. Yeah, you kind of also want to buddy the outfit to yeah. Yeah, but also it's you know, that's why I said, I'm like, but I'm happy and all these things and that that feels great and I don't need to. But again, I just think it's like one of those things where I'm like, all right, I it'd be I kind of want to

share it, but I love that here. I just don't want anything to kill your joy. Right. Well, people are going to say stuff again, regardless, there will be people that will be nasty and say things, and I just want you guys to be able to make out after people say nasty things. Well, and I think you can just be together. I think that's smart. Yeah, as long as we're That's why I told him. I was like, I just there's so much noise when stuff like that happens.

And again, there'll be noise regardless. Should be happy. I am. And even if it doesn't work out I'm not going to feel embarrassed if it. You guys are so cute. I want the world to note you together. Yeah, and again things don't if if things don't work out, I just don't want to. I don't want to. I think I was not wanting to do it and hide it because I didn't want to be embarrassed if it doesn't

work out. Because it's so I have been so publicly embarrassed with relationships, and a lot of that I own. That's my fault because I've been open about him. So that's why I've I've been trying to stay more private. Having said that, I'm like, you know what, who cares? Like? We we we we love, we fall out of love. We now. I have a feeling this one is different, but who knows. I get a lot of messages though

from people that are like, I love how Joanna still dates? Yeah, Like I have one of my girlfriends as a mom, a single mom, and I think she's in Seattle now and she even wrote to me the other day and was like, it's so inspiring to me because I just get so nervous, and then I see Janna just go for it, and I'm like, I'm gonna do this. What

do people expect you to do? People don't expect you to have relationships, to date people, just like they create these narratives, and it's like, I could never do me show you the narrative, you know, in something that's like I couldn't never do into a place to guess what everyone thinks they know your life, they don't you know what it is, and just being confident and I think that's where And he's the boyfriend has done a really good job of being like I could give two craps

about any of that stuff. And he's just like all I care about is who you are today and you know us together, And so I feel like even if there was noise, that it's he's a safe place to land. And I do think your noise is so canceled inside of yourself that like it's not going to be as noisy as it ever was before anyway. So yeah, because I'm like whatever people are again, people are going to be mean, and we can't go back to our other

hot topics. That was just a hot topic that I take, I go rogue and creamers like, uh, you know what I will say. And this is a kind of a goes along with this hot topic because Channing Tatum calls breakup from Jenna Juan terrifying. He didn't um a sit down or not I sit down, but he uh talked about the end of his marriage, and I will say

what I love about. And I also want to mention to Anna Kendricks because she talked about how her ex and this was on the Armchair Expert Dak Shepherd's podcast about UM how she made embryos with this guy, this boyfriend and he cheated on her. And it's like, I I love how celebrities UM that especially have like like

Anna or Anna and you know Channing. It's like people that have always and that never really shared a lot are kind of giving you a little piece of behind the current, behind the curtain, and I think it really humanizes And also it's like, hey, Anna Kendricks was cheated on too, you know. It's like it's I don't know, it's just nice to have other people kind of talk about their experiences too and relate for other people as well.

But it's interesting because they got married really young. So I also it's like, um, feeling like you had to um, he goes. I think we told ourselves a story when we were young, and we just kept telling ourselves that story, no matter how blatantly life was telling us that we were so different. Uh. And then but when you're actually parents, you really understand difference differences between the two of you.

And so with Kat, I mean, you got married really young, so it's like, is that do you understand kind of that story they were telling each other. Yeah, And I feel for them because I think that that's a hard Yeah, people change so much in those years, you know, when

you're so young. But I also think, and I don't know their situations, so I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong or anything like that, but I think that you can be very different and also learn how to navigate that as well, which I didn't was kind of hard for me. I mean, like, yes, we're different,

but we do parents the same. Parenting different, like we talked about earlier, earlier would be hard, um, but I think, yeah, I mean, people change so much in that time and I think you have to figure out, you know, can we find our similarities and deal with our differences and be the people that we are and be together or can we not? You know? And obviously they figured out that they couldn't, and um, it sounds like it was

good for him. I think he has some good time with him and his daughter and it was a good thing. So I feel like I was young the first time, first marriage. Young is like I think six, I feel that feels young still, no, I mean, yeah, especially these days, that definitely. Yeah. And we were together for almost nine years I think total. But I was in love with this person who when I met him and I was twenty four and he was nineteen, was like I could

be smitten with that personality and that whatever. Course. But then when you get to like eight or nine years later, I mean, it was vastly different and to to a point where you're like, well, shoot, like we're either you're either gonna meet me where I'm at or this is just not gonna work. I mean that's where we got to. Yeah, And that's the thing. He was okay being okay, and I was like, oh, I thought, I mean this was okay when you were nineteen, this is no longer okay,

because we need to like move to the next season. Yeah, seasons of change, and I think people can do that together. I do too. It just takes a lot of work and compromise and figuring it out. But also I think it takes strong people to realize, hey, we're not going to be able to do this, We're not gonna be able to get to that point and we need to move on. I feel like I've a lot of empathy for them too, because it's probably really hard because they were the Golden couple, you know. I remember when I

saw that they got divorced. I was like, because you just they're so they're they're they're the they're the King and Queen and you Yeah, so it's it's you know, But I'm curious, like how when it comes to parenting and which will kind of lead into the next one with j Lo and Ben, but how do you think, like, how do you guys evolve and build your relationship through parenting. I feel lucky because we parents so similar, and also Preston really trust me to just kind of take the

lead on a lot of it. He's gone a lot. I'm I'm alone about at least two hundred nights a year, so I'm the default. I mean, we do a lot of talking obviously, but like he kind of just trust me to know what's best. But we do. That's one thing I feel like, even when the other stuff can get really marriage and gross and noisy, that's one thing

we always just do well. And I'm just so thankful because I have friends of mine that are like, oh, my parents so differently, and he's contradicting me, and you know, and we have had those times. We It has not been rainbows, but like we have had those times where he will say something and I'll like later say to him, don't do that in front of them again, you know, And I've had to apologize for doing the exact same thing to him. Yeah. Sure, yeah, we've had that too.

I think for us, we do parents similarly, I've always taken the lead as the kids are getting older, I've asked him to take on more, not of the lead, but like a bigger role in that and helping me because I'm realizing now it kind of makes me the bad guy. Also, your ages are like all hands on deck ages. They are, for sure, but I like, don't always want to be the bad guy. And that's not

because he's not willing to. He will. It's just because I've always been the one to set the rules say yes, and so now I'm like, man, I'm kind of like I'm the one always saying no. So now I'm the

bad guy, and so it's it's tough. My daughter told me that I am data is the fun one, and I am the yes ma'am, mind your manners and yes ma'am mama, and I was like, he's the guy that comes off the road with like toys, and yeah, I mean I can relate that to that for sure, because it's like, you know, my cousin every Wednesday and then every other Friday Saturday, and it's like it has something happened on the day on the phone where Jay's constantly

gets out of it. It's like an hour and a half now routine to put him down to bed, and he's, well, he doesn't do that Daddy's house. And I want to be like because he's only there like the ratio one day a week and then every other two days. So it's like it's and it's hard for me to be like because it's like because they are for fun. Over there, it's more it's more fun. And that's where it's like, you know, that's where Jace will start to say, like, oh like Dad, I'm like, well, you know, it's us.

It is hard though, because it's like even when Preston's home, bed times are a little later, you know, and I have to I always feel like I feel like I'm so naggy, but I'm like, okay, it's that time. Okay, Like I'm like the fun Police, you know, it's not cool. Yeah, we just have to communicate a lot about it. But I will say, to answering that question, we've always um our like we've our marriage always is strengthened through family stuff, if that makes sense. Like that's how I've always felt

close is through family time. Yeah. Oh same, like that to me, Like I will take us five doing something over a date night any night, and I will feel that much more connected. You've had to like learn that. He has to learn that about me, whereas he's more connected to me and him. I'm getting there. But guys are just kind of like that in general, well because it's like it's sexy for us to see them in as like good dads and like you know, I think that is a woman thing or a mom thing for sure. Well,

he loves one. I one attention pressed us. Yeah. So if there's no kids to distract my hands and I can just have my hands all over his sweet little Leo, I'm a king feelings that feels good to him. Yeah. Speaking of kids though, and blending families, Jennifer Lopez says, blending families have been an affleck has been an emotional transition. Now she doesn't really tap in. I love that she said this. It's been a phenomenal year, like my best year I think since my kids were born. And I

just I love that. But I'm three, right part of me, isn't she fifty three? And then the you know the kids from so there's seventeen, fourteen, ten, fourteen year old twins all in one house. Emotional transition, and I was wondering, I mean, she doesn't she doesn't touch on the emotional transition. But I feel like you almost don't have to take it negative. You can go all right. It's probably a

beautiful thing to finally feel like a family. That's where I'm going to take it, right, because the other side of it is and I remember talking to my niece and nephew about this, or because I asked them when they were here, like, hey, what's something that I couldn't be aware of? And or what where do you think some of the uh not issues but like um areas where you fell into depression or anxiety, and and it was the having to be in the different houses like

of different spouses and stuff. So my my brother got remarried after and then after again it was difficult, right because they were like being pulled from like familiar And that's kind of like how because Jen had her kids with a Rod's kids, So I remember that being a real emotional Remember that that whole thing she showed it was so sad, like the kids like crying, and so you know, hopefully this is hopefully that emotional transition was like this is a beautiful we're now finally after all

these years together or is a family? Does that make you nervous at all? Think? Terrified? Absolutely terrified, I mean literally terrifies me thinking about how because I've done a really good job of not introducing the kids to people, uh and so, and obviously they haven't met the new boyfriend.

Having said that, you know, we the boyfriend and I are talking about future things, and in my mind, I'm like, it makes me excited and it also makes me scared for just you just never know, right, and with kids, and it's like I don't want them to be in a place where their ground is not as steady as possible, Like I want them to be so secure, solid foundation, and I'm in charge of that. But that's why I think it'll be okay. M hmm, I really do, because I feel like you put so much effort into that

piece that I just don't know how it couldn't. Like I just was sitting here as you were saying that, thinking like, okay, if I'm Jolie and Jason, but I always know you're the anchor if i'm them, Like you make such an effort to make sure that they know and that they feel that way, and you provide consistency even in a world of inconsistency because your career is inconsistent, but you still make it consistent for them, right, And like, sure,

I want to believe in the true love. There's there's a side of me where it's like one side is like love of my life. I'm so excited I'm gonna get married, I'm gonna have a family. Like right, there's that piece on the other side is like, Jane, be real things have you know? You don't this can happen again. Oh my gosh. And so then those doubts and fears kind of creep in. And then I always my concern. I don't care about me. My heart's been broken a

million times. I can deal with another broken heart. I will be fine. My kids, that's a different story. They're older now, they understand more, you know, well, and there it's not like you're dragging them to other houses. It's not like you're I mean, they know where they are. They are here, you know, if they are to meet your future boyfriend, like it's going to be okay, no matter what happens. Qualifying him first, I mean, you're doing due diligence this time. This isn't like a this wasn't

this isn't hot girl summer. This is like, Okay, legitimately, this is a person I'm making an effort to see. I'm saying that one person. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Like those people never you they were never in and out of their orbits. So for them, it's been a long time since they've met anyone, and you're doing such a diligent job at like qualifying this human too, make sure he fits for you, and then make sure he could be a fit for them. Like I think it's

slow and good. Yeah, and off of social media, just to circle back, it's going to be maybe another week. Maybe maybe I'll give you a tidbit because he might be able to come in. So who knows, maybe this is it's going to be posted before the same time would be maybe the next episode. Uh yeah, so we'll see. But um, I mean I can't imagine family. I've said that to you before. I just realized my water. But I can see where it would just be such a

mix of terrifying and ex sighting. Yeah, Like there's a piece of two that I'm like, man, like, how amazing, How cool would it be to like come together as how they are like come together as you know, just yes, we are a family now, we're a strong family of three. But there's so much more love to be had and given and shared. And at Courtney Kardashian and Travis Barker doing that and doing a great job, you know what. I feel like everyone's doing a great job. Right they are,

They are are doing a great job. I don't know if they're living together. I just remember their families feeling like all together. But Christianner's like the queen of blending families anyway. So his kids are older though, which is um boyfriends are Travis boyfriends? Okay, like Travis is, they're they're they're you know, they're older. So it's a different that's And that's another piece too, where I'm like, hey,

are you sure what you're signing up for? Like you were coming into a four year old and a seven year old, like they're my world and this is different, this is a different bubble, And are you sure you're ready for the older kid? Me? Bring it. I know you'll be great. I love there's both sides of it, Like you're also going in with you know, other kids happy, and my kids are going to have aunt Janna that loves older kids. Because I like these ages a lot. All of it terrifies me. I don't know why, but

I just have a feeling. No, I'll be fine, Everything's gonna be great. Blend the families. Even reading about posting we're just blending family. Yeah, I just already I moved him in speaking of getting older, David Foster says, it's a little bit different raising a toddler. At seventy three, I can offer him wisdom. So David Foster is, I

don't know why it's three. He welcomes son day twenty three months and one with wife, with wife Catherine McPhee, thirty eight, having already raised six adult daughters Alison fifty two, so his daughters fifty two, his oldest daughters fifty two, fifty two year old in a two years in a year old. Yeah, I had all daughters until my son, and I love all my daughters and immeasurably, but having a son is a little bit different. Um at seventy three.

Seventy three music producers also having to get grips with the idea of parenting in later life. So, I mean people are grandparents, I mean and then yeah, because I mean like Preston's parents around that age, like a great current, like my great grand Like no, because yeah, yeah, they're like eight eight two great grandparents. So, uh, do you agree with the sentiment that he has learned to become more patient, has more experience in parenting at older age. Well,

I'm sure just in life, I think at that point. Right. Also, there's a thirty five year age difference between him and Catherine. His age really matter after your mid thirties. Oh my biggest gap was my teen years and that was vastly different. But I was I was young, like I was twenty and he was thirty nine. Oh yeah, so that's a huge huh. I can't you, guys, I just don't know. I feel like I'm gonna lose a lot of fans if I say what I want to say about it.

It's no say it because it's not. Yeah, that would be really hard for me because it wouldn't be hard for him. Is that too dirty? I'm just talking about the penis nothing hard talking about Thank you for explaining it to me. I just feel like I'm like, what's going on at seventy three? I don't even know. I can't imagine walking that, And I feel like you would be if you're like, actually, it's like okay, Like you get it right, That's what I'm saying. That would be

really hard for me. Like I think, okay, so Preston's parents are about five is so in my brain that's like what I have to go to you know, like they're they're more time mean, not every They're not my parents. They're not all created equal either, which you know, not all seventy three year olds or seventy three. My husband doesn't act his age. I don't think so. But gosh, thirty five, like you are a young and vibrant and wanted to go to dinner and probably stay out past

like eight o'clock. Uh well, my son, not necessarily. You know, I've always loved older guys. We older is one thing. You know. Let's go back to Hot Girl Summer when there was one guy that was older and I was all about it and you were like how much older? Though? How much older was he? Who? I just remember this. I really liked him. Oh he was he was he was fifty. Yeah, but that was because I wasn't attracted to him, but it was he had Remember, he was

very he was a big CEO. And I was like, I'm not I would I've never I've never did did anyone because of money, and I'm not going to start now. Yeah, but that was only like what fifteen years or something. No, he was fifties six, I mean like getting up to eight years and he wanted to go out to dinner with me, and I was just like and Katherine's but think about the jet and had little pot I wanted about out of the next one birth just saying why I turned down the first date and just because I

just have to be pardon. I feel like I'm just not being well spoken when I'm saying that we got it. Yea. It's just like there that's a huge thirty five years. That's essentially like if you whoever you were marrying is born right now. Well, if you put it that way, that's a lot of difference in life. I don't know if I could ever Okay, so like when you look at like, I think, isn't whose boyfriend is like super

young as it chairs? Or I so I can never date a young, young, young dude when I in like my sixties or seventies, I couldn't never, I don't think. I don't think I could ever do that now if I'm sure Madonna like, but still I couldn't do it. While you're looking at me, I feel like I could. I could have sex with them are going to be done when you're like I'm gonna need the young guys. I just couldn't do that. I just feel like there is such a huge quality of life difference at that point.

It depends what you want, and that's the thing, right, I think I think Catherine has always dated older men um and I think I don't know if that has something to do with so, like I dated the older guys because I had like daddy issues, right, so that was like my thing at that time. Now I don't really I'm not really attracted to older guys anymore obviously, but yeah, I think, you know, so she's always kind of older guys, just like one of those oldsen twins. I think she did as well older, and so I

think there's just a difference in right. Everyone loves different people. Yeah, and where she's at, she might not care about doing the fun things at thirty whatever. She just wants to be a mom and the listen. I like older, I just don't like oldest. That's my official statement. I say, love whoever you want to love, and age discriminate. There's a I don't depend on the person you never know is not gonna do it for me, probably not me. So moving on to everybody hates me now a seventy

two year marriage. Really, Wow, we're just getting older no, Bonnie, our next four year old woman, the age time no wife of boy Meat's World, William Daniels was devastated by open relationship early into seventy two year marriage. So Bonnie Bartlett Daniels is opening up about the painful start to

her seventy two year marriage seventy two years. I just find it so interesting we're talking about this now, well, because I think this is I'm going to circle back, because now people are being more open and honest, and they're just now talking about that. She probably can you imagine back in so back in Listen struggled as a couple after tying them, not in nineteen fifty one. People don't talk about their feelings back then. Marriages then well revealed. I guess it was a little bit of an open

marriage at first, but that was very painful. That didn't work well, And it was a time when people were it was a time when people were doing that. It was at a time in New York when there was a lot of sex and a lot of people doing all kinds of things, you know, very free. But I don't know if there was a lack of commitment a little bit, and that's not good. She continued, so there was a lot of pain connected with any transgression, with

any extra marital thing. In her new memoir, Bartlett Daniels, who we might have on the show, by the Way, at some point, revealed she never felt guilty about extra marital affairs because I never tied to fidelity, and neither did Bill. She admitted to having an affair that lasted a few months with another actor in nineteen fifty nine, but her husband's affair with a New York based producer in the early nineteen seventies ultimately left her devastated and

changed her outlook on the relationship. At that point, she can no longer tolerate any kind of open marriage. And I think it's remember when we had that conversation where if the girl can do it, but when the guy does, it's like like that, sound't like this, sound like this, This doesn't feel good. That's so true because it's like it's your man. Yeah, yeah, I mean again, y'all, y'all

know where I stand. So I'm not even gonna have much input on this because y'all know I don't like I could never be in an open marriage, Like I'm like boyfriend, like you lie, you cheat, I'm out, peace out, like I believe in forgiveness and I'll forgive you and we can be friends. But I will never let someone into my atmosphere because I know who I become. Don't like it so um and I don't. I don't. I don't want to ever see I don't want to ever do open I don't want to see my boyfriend husband

touching another woman. I don't want to touch on that person. I want to love and cherish this human. However, always want to chair someone. So yeah, this is where I get real, Like we get Detroit. Detroit is like love. Yeah. Having said that, I get that people want or whatever works, whatever works for you. You guys do it, but it is there is something to be said when when the woman can do it, but then the man then, but when the man does, it's like, well, wait a minute.

Can I ask a question when you say open marriage, can that mean they are Does does that mean that they are just going off having other relationships you not included? Or can that also mean y'all are both going and having relationships with other people. I think you can do both. I think both as well, because that also feels I also think different in a weird way. I also think there's different restrictions per couple, like I can together and then or only these certain acts you could do, but

not this. Then if you're going off on your own and having like what I think of as an open marriage where you were literally like can go have sex with the you know, with somebody else and that person is not included, that feels so much more like cheating to me, like months they're staying months. Yeah, I mean that just feels like affairs. It doesn't feel like but I mean I understand that that's the definition of it.

We have friends that have an open marriage. Wow, and as long as he comes back and tells her what happened, yeah, And I'm like, oh, it makes me want to get sick. But I mean, if you agree, and that's where it's hard. But we talked about conversation. Yeah, but it gets to a point where it's like then it happens to you and you're like, wait, that didn't feel good, and you get to go change your mind. I remember I was having that discussion. It's like you get to go back

and go, guess what doesn't feel good anymore? And it's hard to gain back trust from an open marriage back to a full commitment. But it's but as long as you guys are on the same page, it can be done. And that's why I'm always like advocate, Like I do believe marriages can survive infidelity and all those things, but like it has to have like so many levels of empathy and trust and work and letting go of things

and be you know, really doing the healing work. But it's not an easy road, which is why I also know who I become, and that's why I'm like, I'm out not happy. No, I will never do that. I mean a jealous person, you know, and I would be jealous hands down, I know it would, and no one likes a jealous person, do you know? Jealous insecure? Which I can say I for sure have been jealous and

insecure and plenty of relationships. But now I'm weirdly not in this one, which is so strange because he lives how many thousands of miles away from interesting, I don't I trust him with I'm like zero, Like, isn't that weird? Wonderful? He makes you feel safe in that way. Yeah, well, and I guess I've done the work to where I'm like all right, you've got a lot to lose if you did. And he's out like, and I'm good either yeah,

Like I'm not anxiously attacktching onto this human. I've lost my anxious attachment, losing or anxious and you guys, rest in peace my anxious attachment. And now I feel like my husband's like, oh anxious atatment by Yeah. I was like, no, I'm good either way. I'll make it. I'll be fine, but I know I'm okay. Yeah, that's a different It's a great place to be. It's a beautiful play, wildly intimidating for someone who's used to being anxious and anxiously attached.

That was kind of Nick and I he was I would say probably anxiously attached. And it took him being like, guess what, I'm fine, I'm good, Like it took him a minute to get there because but it's yeah, it's it is intimidating. Catherine going on our little weekend rendevos. Is not anyone knowing, I'm like, what dating Nick? And we didn't even know. She's like, I'm busy this weekend, do not disturb more? Like who? She went, why can we do that again? I was talking to when we

haven't really talked about it, ken if you want. But one of the things I was talking to Nick the other day when we went to go look at the house that I'm building and he was I said, what did I say to him? I said something about, you know, how's it going? Like things? You know, things look good. I go, um, I know, you guys are probably out of that honeymoon's like, man, that would have been so I wish we could have stayed in that forever. He was that was the best place, like to like that

fun sneaking around like it was. And it's like I think also because we got married so young, like I don't remember like even dating, Like how old were you when you got married? Yeah, so we were. I was twenty one and we got married. I had a kid, you know, so it's like I don't even remember. I was like, oh my god, we didn't. Maybe we did. I don't know. This is just so fun, but yeah, yeah,

you know sometimes we meet in the car in the garage. Oh. I just want to toss that out to any married coubbles feel like they could use a little moment and where are the kids and sleeping? Okay, that's kind of hot yea where like in a car or oh, I mean back there the only one without car seats. Just to keep it real, humble and very real. Also, as the kids get older, I'm also learning it gets harder because they just keep staying late and they just keep like coming in to talk and like that gets me.

And they also know about sex. Oh so that's weird. It's like, don't you have a lock on your door? Well, we do, but like then they wonder what literally did that the other day and it's like it's locked. I'm like, but they're awake. I can't. Like Eden's room is two doors right there, Like I don't know if I can do it. I mean we did, but you did, but it does it makes me nervous. It would make to

go to bed. Yeah, yeah, we have to make car like that would be my luck that they'd walk to drive away your neighbors and the nighttime drive you know that they're saying to keep it alive and they all know. Now it's like now my neighbors, no to it, okay, right for you? I mean, hey, you know, I'm sorry. I shouldn't said no matter time. Oh I thought you guys were out of the car in the driveway. I was like, now come on you, guys, you still we have a tramp stamp. It used to be Star. It's

definitely it's definitely not Stars anymore. You'd be rolling by Christen's house and they're just like you. That's when I used to pick my tattoo artists based on what they looked like, not what they're working like. Joey was cute, and now I'm stuck with a twenty years scar. Well, guys, I've really done it this time. I love just chatting these hot topics. I love it. All right, guys, Well

we done, we kept ourselves. We're out of here, all right. Well, here's to Here's to seventy three years and bursting bubble of wine down Yeah, backseat in your driveway. Keep it classy out there, wine downer, I guess. By By