Back to the Hill with Bethany Joy Lenz

saying yawn is contagious? Really absolutely yeah, okay, um, okay, but no, everyone has been asking I think every single time I would say, Okay, who do you guys want me to interview? In One Tree Hill? Always they're the most ride er Die fans like ever and anytime I've ever had a show, I always have to obviously thank my One Tree Hill fans because they were there from the beginning where hills what my trahiler is at and

the biggest, the biggest role comes from that. Well, what's funny we're just talking before we start recording, is I need to find like a new show to binge because usually you'll fall asleep a little bit before I'm doing bed and I'll get my pad out and start watching something to fade too. So maybe that maybe I need to finally pull the trigger on that you would actually watch one trail. I mean I feel like you would

like it because there's like the basketball and they're scoring. Yeah, but that stuff so cheesy when they try to do it in their shows. Really yeah, I mean, have you ever watched the first seasons before you're on? Well, then we can do it together. We caning it together. That'd be so perfect. Actually, would be fun. You want to do it, Okay, really, we'll start talking about it because people love it. You want to it could be like, oh my god, that'd be so good because we can

link throw back. You start talking about it, yeah, and people love it here and be like remember on season one, episode five when I do you really want it? Because I would be fun because I haven't. I've only seen I've seen two episodes that I was in, and then besides that, I didn't watch one episode and nothing before because we were kind of the new We were the new characters, you know, so I never researched all these characters. I wasn't. I didn't, but we have. I'm so excited. Hey, Ethan,

is she there? She's here? Hi joy, honey, my gosh, it's been so long. When was the last time that we talked. I don't know. I mean it was probably convention or something, right, I've never done any of the conventions. No, really, well I actually well, first of all, say hi to my husband Michael. Hi Michael. Technically Bethany Joy but sort

of meet you. Absolutely, um no Joy. I actually was supposed to do a convention last um and I apposed to sing and everything like my first one, and they ended up pulling me out of it, but then telling people that I canceled, and I was like, um, I did not cancel. You guys pulled me out of it because you said that you couldn't afford it. And it

was the one that I was texting. That was when we were texting about that, and I was like, because everyone was like I don't know if we should do this convention, I was like, well, I'm going to, oh yeah, because the money and so then they ended up pulling me out of it, but it wasn't It wasn't because they just didn't have any more funding. But they blamed it that on me canceling, and I was like, um no, So I I basically just blew them out in the on my Twitter and was like this is the message

they sent me saying they didn't have any money. And this is the like, this is what I'm saying. I remember how mad I was, because I don't say that I canceled when I had made plans and canceled other shows to be there. But I mean, I would love to see it at a convention. Yeah. How's Nashville. I love it down there. We just moved back to Nashville

about two months ago. We were living in l A for two years and then, um, you know, I was kind of getting back into the acting world of things and then realized, you don't really need to be in l A. Yeah, and we just we love Nashville. So nash feels amazing. But I love it out there. Are you still singing? Yeah? On and off. I've it took a break because, um, I started writing a musical and it took up a lot so that all of my musical creative energy has been poured into that. Um. And

and I'm I'm a mom. I'm a single working mom. I'm she's eight. Oh my god, how is she eight years old? Since say, I know, wait, do you have kids to write? I have a three and a half year old girl and then an eight month old boy, Oh my gosh, noratulations. I cannot believe she's eight though, when she was a baby, yep, I know, that's so crazy. How how was an eight year old little girl? Third grade?

It's so fun. She's really her own little person. She has her very specific tastes and opinions and um, things that she enjoys doing and doesn't enjoy and and she's her own little person. But she also you know, needs mommy and wants me to snuggle at night and still holds my hand when we walked down the street. It's great. I mean, she's the best. When did you get divorced? I think it was two thousand, well, I think it

went through and fifteen sixteen fifteen. That was after Tree Hill though, yeah, I mean we we we separated in um two thousand and yeah. Really but your heart is good now? Oh yeah, girl, it's so long. I'm so good. What years was it that you guys were working together on Tree Hill? Yeah, I'm so bad with mathic. What

what season did you show up though? I showed up this season after when the whole was chantel and okay, so you came in season seven seven, which was two thousand and nine, wasn't Yeah, what, Oh God, wasn't eight or nine? Is it weird too? Because I'm asking this

just because I felt this this past weekend. But to reconnect with somebody that you've been friends with for a long time or know for a long time at one stage of your life, but then you talk to each other now and you both have kids, like, could you imagine ten years ago, like you guys talking about having

kids between you two. And just because this last weekend also, you know, back in Baltimore, babe, and seeing my friends that I've like grown up with the last ten years and now we all have wives and kids, and it's like, but when you when you talk to them and you're together, you feel like you're still twenty. Life changes a lot forces you to re evaluate your priorities, and you know,

everybody sort of situates themselves in different ways. Um once families and once you get older and families start to show up. But I think about this a lot. I was taking a walk with Paul Johansson and who I love. Ran into him a couple of months ago and we were hiking. Oh, he's the sweetest, he's so great, and he was he was probably with Quinn with his son. He wasn't because it's showing me pictures. Oh yeah. So

I was just talking with him the other day. We were taking a walk with the kids and just like, this is so crazy that we have known each other for fifteen it's about fifteen years and we have children. We have little children, eight year old children that are just running Their kids are the same age and they're just running around and it's a whole new world, whole new life. It's amazing. Now, what about you two together, because I'm like, you guys have you know, we're great friends.

We just it would never it would never work. Oh god, it would never work. Wouldn't that just show like that would just throw the tree hillers like for thet they would they would blow their minds, like their minds. Yeah. No, Paul's a wonderful person. I love him dearly. He's one

of my closest friends. Um. But you know, I mean, you know how you when you've meet people in life and sometimes it's just like it's a lot of a lot of great elements, but it's just not you just know, you just know it's like this, it's not the right fit.

Just would I work? What do you think you learned, like from the divorce and and kind of moving on from that situation, what was like your biggest takeaway with that besides probably being happier, but um, I learned a lot about self care and UM yeah, I mean I think I think, yeah, mostly just learning how to take care of myself and be um, how to respect myself, how to like It was a good catalyst for opening up pichanic worms for me of um, a lot of levels of healing that I needed to deal with and

go through. UM so in that in that regard is great and you know you can't I mean, you can't ever regret anything that your children come out of because she's the best thing that ever happened to me, no question. How soon Jan and I were talking about this kind of recently, this topic of how soon when if you when you start dating or when you're dating somebody joy bringing up the fact that you have a child and

eight year old. Is that a first date thing or is it one of those things where you gotta get to know them, see if there's any possibility of the future, and then you bring it up. I always think it's so weird when I watch in movies or TV shows and there's a character who's like, I have kid and I haven't told him. I have to tell him that I've got a kid? Like what? Just why is that not like the first thing out of your mouth that I totally agree with you. I would do the exact

same thing. I would sit down and be like, look, I have a kid. It's the love of my life, and my world start like revolves around her and him. He just always bring it up. You just bring it casually like, oh, yeah, I had a long day my daughter and I went to this or that or but you know, it's just like it's just part of my life. How is that like a big secret you have to

write it? Should? Remember we were talking to Billy Lee about it because she was she's transgender, and you know, she was saying that she wouldn't say the first time,

which again is but how is the different? Though? I feel like it's manipulative to me because if I was the dude or the whatever, if I was if I was the other person in the situation, um, and you know, going on a date with somebody who had a kid and then they like hid the fact that they had a kid from me for the whole first date happens up with you? Yeah? Agree, and then let alone a gender. Oh right, you saying rights? I thought maybe she had a kid and she was How is it relevant that

you stretched right right? I see that's a little different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do think it's a little like to get to know them just a date or two. I would say someone I dated this one guy and he his real name wasn't his name, and I was like, that's weird, that's not your name. Did he go by something else? Yeah? Was it like his middle name? No? Just like wait, was it like his name is John and he was going by Steve? Or was it like she was like going by no Duke or something. His name was Ace

and his real name was like Bobby. Alright, name, that's fair. But I was just like, who are you, Robert? Are you so confused? I get what you're saying. It shouldn't be such a secret. I remember this was god like eight nine years ago when I was living in Florida. I was playing down there in this girl I was

talking to and what was her name Instagram? We're hanging out and I remember after a few times of us hanging out, she texted me and was like, Hey, I have something like basically serious or really important to tell you, and I started freaking out. I'm like, is she pregnant? I'm in the locker room like with my some of my teammates like, what does this mean. We're trying to decipher and we're all guys, we don't know, you know,

we can't decipher that stuff like y'all can. And then come to find out she tells me she's like, I have a three year old daughter. I'm like, oh my god, thank god, that's it. You could have told me that they wanted what it mattered. So I get what you're saying. What is that? Why? Why? Why? I don't know. I think it's a beautiful that we're mom's to meet, to meet the child. Definitely is a timely thing. I wouldn't to tell them. Yeah, I agree with you both that

it could be. How long do you wait until another man or a woman meets your child? I don't know if you like either way. I love you either way. Joy, No, I'm still straight. Um. I usually like to it's like second date, um, because and it's just a meat and greet, just like, yeah, I picked me up at the house. And then I'm like whether I'm like not ready yet and I give them a chance of just like sitting chat in the living room for a second. You know, I don't mind some like what if you have a

date like every week, it's a lot, don't judge. I guess you haven't hung out with me in a while. What's joy were talking about ten years ago? That is not my life. No, I'm I'm I'm a very slow, shy date. Or yeah, it doesn't and I'm not like so your second date is probably like my six months. I just it's just not like I'm just I think the problem is I'm attracted to very few people. I'm just really not attracted to people most of the time. What are you attracted to? Um? Well, uh, it's that's

the thing. I don't really have a type. It's like it's kind of hard to tell. It's it's there's just something. There's just something that happens. And um, I'm attracted to all uh races, all like body types, Like there's there's no that large skin, yeah totally, Like, yeah, I love a chubby guy. I love like I love a guy that's shape, but like I'm not Yeah, I mean I generally want somebody kind of bigger, like big and strong, like I'd like to feel like I'm being enveloped in

big arms. Um, it's always like nice, nice and Lumberjack feeling. Um. But but you know Johansen Jack. But yeah, so it just doesn't end soli, especially in l A. I think, Um, I'm just I'm more of a kind of a homegrown girl and um, I don't know, I'm just not attracted to that many people. So do you think So you're still living in l A? Yeah? Is that where your new show shoots? It is, Yes, we're in Is that amazing? And l A? I know I got so lucky. That's amazing.

So you're on a new show called Pearson, Yes, And it's a spin off of Suits, right right. So it's Jessica Pearson, who was one of the head lawyers. She she was the head of the firm at at um Pear's Inspector Litt And she was disbarred by me thank you and uh. And she moves to Chicago, where her family is, and kind of gets tied up in the world of dirty politics and she can't technically function as

a lawyer. So she's working for the mayor with this amazing office, but nobody really knows what she does and technically I'm her boss, but I can't fire her, and she does whatever she wants and you know, creates havoc

and so it's fun interesting. Yeah, Okay, I just I've actually talked to Paul about the too is you are one of the best actresses that we've ever worked with, and he said that I've I've always said that, I mean, you are you are truly the most Um how do I say, like, you're just so present in scenes and you're so believable and you're so real. I was It's it's always an honor to say that, Like I've acted

alongside you because you're so so talented. So I'm just I've always know, I've sincerely, I've always been your cheerleader, UM, since leaving One tra Hill, and you know, I was really excited when you got um offered Songbird and because I was like, oh man, that's going to be amazing for her. And UM, I've just always kind of followed what you've done because I never understood why you you

haven't broken out, because I think you've You're fantastic. So I'm just so happy that you have the show now and you're kicking ass and you know you're you're doing your thing too. Yeah, it's it's all God's timing. And

I've learned so much. And the more that I look back on my life and um, the things that I've gone through and the different opportunities I've had and have have turned down, our opportunities I haven't had and missed, and all those sorts of things, the more I see sort of like divine hand just guiding everything, um to get me where I am today, because I feel like

I would never have been ready for it before. I just wouldn't have been healthy enough to know what to do with that kind of responsibility, you know, and that funny the things seemed to come just at the right time when you're ready. Yeah, it's so frustrating too because you don't understand, like why didn't I get this role, Why didn't I get this or what you know, why

is this happening? But if things would have happened on a different timeline, you wouldn't have been able to fulfill your potential in them exactly if it was at a different time. So then how do you stay calm? Like how do you, how do you stay in that piece of not getting so upset about something or just knowing that it's not the right time. It's still actively fighting. I mean that's look, it's a daily thing. It's not

like super easy, not like I flipped a switch. But um do I do believe in that saying that you know, God always gives us what we would have asked for if we knew everything that He knows or it knows or whatever. Um So for me, there's a real comfort there in knowing that, uh, you know, I have an active faith and active per life. I'm um involved in my friends lives and you know, I have a what am I trying to say? Like, like I am, I'm actively trying to be uh conscious of the way I

am in the world and make wise decisions. But I only have a limited view, and at some point I've got to just let go of control. And the more I let go, the easier things are and the better things tend to go So hard though, because you just well, especially with our careers and stuff. I mean, you know now, Mike, you're you know you knew too with your football. You just never know when Yeah, you're not like I just said, the day, I was like, I'm never I told my

trainer Aaron. I was like, you know, I guess I'm just I'm never going to act again. I'm never gonna it. No, you're good. I booked a movie like two days later. It was one of those things where you get to that point where like, well, I guess this isn't like your cards anymore, because you just get so you get so defeated. Oh yeah, well I had quit before I got Pearson. I called my managers. Oh yeah, I called my managers. I called everybody. I was like, guys, um,

it's rent, it's course, I'm done. Nobody's hiring me. And I'm just like, I can't I can take this rejection when I was twenty, right, I can't do this anymore. I have a kid, and I'm a good writer. I'm a good director. Um, I'm a musician. I can make things and sell them on Etsy. Like I don't know, but I'm kind of I gotta like I have to find a way and I just can't keep going on

auditions and um. This came in like a couple of months later, and it was one of the few that they sent me that they were like, please just we think you should go on this. Are you serious? Wow? And you're just you just were like all right, I'll do it. Yeah, but it was hard. It was so hard because it's like to be able to just to be able to let go of caring whether or not

people like you. I mean that's really a thing, right, Like in our industry or in the public eye, our our viability relies on whether or not people like us. So we're constantly trying to do things to make sure that we're on the likable page and to get to a point where you just don't care, which is just so screwed up because most of our childhood wounds are from not feeling good enough completely. So it's like, wow, just tapping into the childhood wounds, just really just hitting

the world core. Thanks people. Oh yeah, yeah, it's brutal. God. Okay, Well, moving on though, because I know I'm going to get totally chastasis is at the word if I don't ask questions about One Tree Hill, I mean they're gonna be like you had around the show and didn't as one question about One Tree Hill. The best thing about One Tree Hill, oh man, the experience, Like that's really I know, I mean, that's such a vague answer. The best thing about one Tree Hill I don't know. I mean, I

couldn't say. One best thing living in Wilmington's getting the chance to live on my own and work on my own end and be a successful woman in entertainment at twenty years old. To you know, like that, that was an extraordinary experience. I fell flat on my face in a lot of ways, and I thrived in a lot of ways, and it was just, um, a total once in a lifetime and singularly unique experience. Would you love

most about Haley? Oh? I guess I just love that she was, Um, it's always willing to grow, you know at the end of the day. Is stubborn as she was? She was, she was always willing to grow at the end of the day. Um, what was your favorite thing about Hill? Yeah? I don't know. You've never to watch an episodes. How would you know if I was on one favorite a thing about When Tree Hill was being directed by me, you were an amazing director. You were

so good. No, but seriously, like, what did what did you love about that you were down there for you? Did you live down there or were they bringing you in? But I feel like you lived there for a while. With that, I lived there. Yeah, No, I lived there

the entire time. Um, it was hard for us because I felt like when we came on the show, just being so honest, it was a very divided So yeah, yeah, so I feel like everyone kind of already had their places and it was either going to be on the A team or the B team, you know, essentially, and

it was it was just tricky. And then you know, I think our creator also kind of created that environment for us as well, which obviously he's you know, I don't know what he's doing now, but so I think that was that was probably the hard part about it. But I mean, I just enjoyed. I loved my character. She was so Alex was just really fun. It's funky and got to be like super creative, and um, you had you were such a firecracker. You always had such

a great energy. I loved being in scenes with you because it was like there was somebody was like it was a firecracker in the room, like you never knew what was going to go up. It was great. It was me And then because I lived I lived with Sophia in Austin, actually lived with them. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. We lived downtown on first first St. That's how out of it I was. I mean, well, we didn't really spend a lot of time together. Yeah,

I mean I was in my own world. I was married, I was like as and I was through a lot of and just like checked out of a lot of stuff for a while. Yeah. But you guys lived downtown where I was. We were above this bar. It was so annoying how you can't really tell a bar to like stop. But no, you know, I'm like, well, I have to film in the morning, can you shut up? It was awful. I hated it. We lived there for like a year and a half. And then the other

year we lived in Wrightsville. That was great out there. Yeah, so that was really nice. But I mean Wilmington was it was just a small town. Yeah, but I did enjoy obviously I enjoyed it. But you know, looking back, there was a lot of things that I would have probably done differently. But I think that's we can all say that. Yeah, sure, that's what your twenties are four, that's right. I know. I got Jane twenties. I just she wasn't thriving she was she thought she was she

was not. Um, would if you could go back, what would you do differently this time around? If there was to be a one tree hill point point you mean, go back to my twenties or like like all went back. Yeah, if everyone went back, which I doubt that would. Do you think that ever happened? I don't know. I don't. I don't think if you get Sofia to sign back on, yeah, I think I think there's enough money that I think you could they already to. I mean I think you

do you think so? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. Um, but I think it would have did none of it would have to go to the show runner. I think that's a problem. That's the problem is that the creator of the show makes money on the any incarnation of the show afterwards, and of course that's its own issue. So I think that would be the big thing standing in the way. Um, unless he was like willing to donate it all or something. Right, if you could go back,

he would direct everything? No, everything, that's right. No, I would, I would. I don't know. It would be great to just go back and not have it feel like it was divided in any way or like you know when we were going through a rough patch that people would I think we're all just older now, would be so much easier to just like and really enjoy each other's company and enjoy showing up at work, appreciate having a job, appreciate being someplace where we know we have such a

huge fan base. It's just all stuff that I know, very few twenty year old and twenty five year olds who are capable of that kind of understanding forever, that's right. I mean, you know what, who honestly the only person on that set who I think actually got it at at young age was James. Oh yeah, I can see that. He's the only person that like knew how fleeting it was and how lucky he was. But I also think it's a girl thing too. I think girls have a

hard time. I think, you know, just an outsiders standpoint, you know, is everyone wants to maybe be the star, and it's you know, my talking out of my mouth? Is that wrong? I mean feeling oh yeah, like you mean like having competition or yeah, the competition, which is there's a healthy competition, but at the same time it's just in your everybody's just insecure. Yeah, So I think it would be you know, now that we're older, hags, we could definitely all go back. Yeah, I do remember.

I do remember having moments of those of just like yeah, you're just in the hair and makeup trailer and you're thinking like, oh this she looks prettier than me today, or like why why does my hair this color? And why is hers get to beat that color? And what? You know, it's just stupid. It's just everything that you feel when you're in sixth grade and you just don't

grow out of it until you're like late twenties. Hopefully you know, right well that hope so well now though, I mean, you get to really create the environment that you want on your new show. And I'm just like, what day is airing again? Because I know it just on July seventeen, SOSS on Wednesday nights on USA at ten nine central um. And it is a great cast.

It's really it's a great cast of lovely adults who all seriously appreciate having a job, and not just a job, but a job where we really get to enjoy what we do and we love the writing and we love the people we're working with, and um, we're having fun. It's really great. I love it. Well everyone, please UM watch the show. Joy's the best actress ever, so you not to be disappointed. Joy seriously, thank you. And UM, if you're ever in Nashville, please, UM just let us know.

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think it'd be funny. It would be funny, but it has to entertain me. What do you mean, Like, if we're getting through it and I'm just like, this is unbearable, you don't think it entertained you. I mean, I hope. So how many episodes do you really honestly have to get because it took me three episodes to get into Big Little Eyes the first season? How many episodes are in the season at One Tree Hill? God like two? Is it thirty minute show our? I don't know. I

think it's an hour. I think it's an hour. Yeah, I think there's because back in the day they used to do twenty two episodes, and now it's like six episodes. And then I'm like, wait a minute, I just waited this table. I just waited you know, six months, seven months? Show show? How many episodes? There's a hundred seven episodes. I mean, let's go. It's available on Hello now. Oh. I think they actually just got off Netflix. They just they recently just got off Netflix, which is a massive

bummer because that had been easy. Uh. Season one itself is episodes. I mean that was how it was back in the day, like you would do two episodes. I mean I think I did fifteen episodes in season you know, season seven what man IMDb like every episode is like nine point five nine point two. Yeah, And people love the show. I love it. I mean they're I mean, look at my shows. That's the only reason that I have people coming to my show, just because we just

talk about that. We need to talk about it. Do you need to talk about that? Michael? Did you end up seeing the whole video that I sent of Eastern singing on stage? The entire video, not the entire video, just the thing that I sent you. I sent you a longer, better version of it, and it was Amy send emails of the incredible note there was even I haven't watched forgot about it Easton. Can you just describe how that was for you? You want to just set the scene for everybody that was That was one of

the greatest moments of my entire life. Um. I went to see Jana perform at the Anaheim House of Blues and you know, like any of the fan that's really excited. Um, And uh, you know, Janna texted me on the way saying like, hey, you know, I'm feeling kind of sick. My voice is pretty gone and you just sing along really loud tonight. And I was like, I got you,

no problem. And then uh, when we were at the show, like Janna like shouted me out a couple of times, which made me feel pretty cool to the two people around me. And uh, when you like invited me up on stage, I I thought you were just gonna be like, m hey, everybody, this is Eastern He's he works on the podcast. Everyone say hi, okay, Sibo, go back to your scenes. But I had no idea I was gonna You're gonna let me sing the whole song. I felt bad for everyone who it was Whiskey, the song we sang,

and that's like, that's a huge song. It's a massive song. I felt bad for everyone who came to see that song and then got up there and then but oh my god, what a fun time that was. That was just so much fun. Tan, Thank you so much for having me up there, Oh my gosh. Of course, And for those of you that want to see the video, I put it up on my Instagram page, the entire thing, and I just love the fact and I even, oh, you pun enough, Oh this is you. You're like walking

up from the entire Wow, look at this crowd. I know, I told you it was like one of my biggest crowdand there he grabs his mike. I'm surprised you didn't have like any ears in your back pocket. Let's do this right. No, but he you know, I wrote in my caption, I said, you know, this is a reminder to everyone to basically own the moment that you have and too, you know, I mean you embrace it. And

my mic went off went out, Mike. Yeah, so my mike, my voice was pretty much shot to help, but my my mike went off out and I was like pointing to my monitor guy and he's like, hey, you have to bring me the mic. And then Easton started just jumping up and running around and singing the wrestle. I mean, he's sang the entire like second part of the song by himself and just owned it so amazingly. I was so proud of you, Easton. You just I mean, you

killed it. There are some people that hit me up and they're like, Okay, that was planned right, like and you planned for her Mike to go out, and I'm like, I did not. I did not sabotage jam. But Jane and I were talking about that, like when she had

got home and we were talking more about it. You do you have this in the ability to just seize a moment and it's like all those things like how many times, like I know I can say in my life, Jane, you can probably saying yours where you had an opportunity to do something wild and crazy like that, and then you just your inhibitions, your inhibitions stopped you. And you're like I know that, no, no, no. But then a few days later you're like, why didn't I just do that?

Here's how I look? Who cares how I sound? Just do it? And you do that, like I feel like every time I've been in a situation where you've had that opportunity, you just take it. Well, thank you, thank you, Mike.

I mean it means a lot to hear uh that That night, specifically at the house of is like that was when we were driving Allison and I were driving home my wife Allison, and we were like, I was just like, I I am so happy with how I handled that, Like, because there are there's a lot of times on it on a daily basis where I go, oh, I shouldn't have done that, or I should I should done something differently, But that was when I was like, wow, I really I could have screwed that up, and I

think I did it pretty well. You I mean, man, you didn't do it pretty well. You owned it, and it just made me so happy because again, like to Mike's point, there's so many times where you could have even been on the drive home be like, oh, I could have been funnier. I really could have done it and I could have like really, I mean, but you did it like you were you and you freaking like saying it like saying your heart out, which, by the way, Easton, I didn't know you also had um a song, I uh,

musical background on a second? Right now? Are you ready for this? Oh my god shine? This is East Now and sound and Theory. You can get it on Spotify. Will say, I have an EP on Spotify hack Spotify. This is this is not chos. There's a music video for this long what is it? Yeah, this is a pretty long intro with the DJ to talk that one up. But I will say I will say that was my one time. Everyone all of your fans and are so nice. And I got so many cool messages from people. Everybody

was really nice. The closest thing I got to like someone like trolling me. Someone d n me and said, um, what you lack in singing ability? You make up for a new dance moves And I'm like, sweet, do you take a listen? And I just send it the link to the Spotify the Spotify album. It's just like I stand corrected and it's it's a it's called low self esteem. So where did But here's the thing. You have a

song called throat Tattoo. I love how this interview is like now turned to like re interview easton the Best. I I don't I don't agree, do you do you think you have a low self esteem. Um. The reason I called it that I wrote all those songs like in and Um, I I thought that it because I play every instrument. I wrote all the songs and I sing every like the whole thing is just me. It's just just me. And so I thought that it was very much like a look at me, look at me.

I clearly have self esteem problems. I can pay attention to me. Look at all the stuff that I did, And so it's kind of like so it was it was called like Eastern has low self esteem, was like the idea behind it. But um, I don't know. I think I've had a lot of issues with that back then, but I think I've fixed them now. I think I'm a pretty cold person at this point. You got to be a confident person to do what you did. Yeah,

and I and I love that about you. So wrapping that up, I was gonna say, I just I really appreciate you being there for me that day because I will tell you you were the only friend that actually showed up to Oh my god, I mean now all my fans and my friends, but you know what I mean, like my people that I actually know. You were the only one that showed up. Well, the other people said they were going to come and they didn't come, So I appreciate it. Well, Jan, if you come anywhere on

the West Coast, I will go to that show. I'm I'm a huge fan, and uh, I'm I'm very very grateful to to call you my friend. What are we gonna say, Michael, um, I was gonna say, moving on to a more important topic, why you were kind of fringing this morning? Eastern? How many times have you watched

Endgames since it's been out? I we we bought it on iTunes and I turned it onto like the Middle just to what I wanted to rewatch one scene and Alison, I just watched the whole thing, that's the way through. I've seen it like three times since it's been on home video. Absolutely, can we watch it together one time? I'd love to watch it so I can fall asleep to it. If I have to know what's going on, doesn't matter, it all matters. So I couldn't watch it,

But Eastern I watched it. It came out, and I watched it over the series of like this past weekend, like on my flight back east to Baltimore, because I was going there for a golf tournament nightly for a few minutes till I fell asleep, and then finished it on the plane coming back yesterday or Sunday. Yes Sunday, and I'm on the plane. I had the last hour to watch, which is like the best. That last hour

is amazing and the same part still got me. I was getting TV eyed on the plane, a pack Southwest flight on the aisle watching the end of Endgame with tears in my eyes. I've seen that movie like nine or ten times at this point, I still get goose bumps and cheer up and everything. It's Avengers Assembled, just product so good. Anyways, I knew you've had to have watched it multiple times since it came out, But we

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That's kiwiko dot com slash Janna. Um. Why can I say something though, since you know this is a relational podcast, you were kind of in a mood this morning on the way here. On the way here, yeah, you just seemed really agitated at me for some reason. I was just curious if you want to talk about it on air. I don't know what it was. I just felt like you you were hungry, so we were having a conversation. Then then you're like, I'm gonna go eat because I

know you get hungry. Then you eat, but then I don't feel like you recovered from your angry nous and then you just kind of felt So I was just still processing and realizing that feelings that I had we're just um, I don't know the word. They were just feelings that are having from something that I said before we left the room. I just kind of let it marinate. It's like, do I need to say something back to this?

I was like, no, I don't. I don't. I don't need to create more of an issue on something that we've already talked about. So it's actually it's me growing up would actually what it is? Are you sure? Because I actually be like, hand here any emotions because I want you to be able to know I am sure. And it was just me. I think on the car right here, you know we're both doing You're doing some stuff on your phone and I just I'll still pros It's like, do I wanted to talk about what I

was letting you be quiet? I was. I was trying to be quiet because I could I could sense it, and I didn't want to bring it up. I was just like, all right, if he's gonna talk to me, because I don't want to be what's wrong, babe, because you always get mad at me about that. So I was like, all right, if he's gonna if there's something he wants to talk about, he's going to bring it to me, and I'm just gonna kind of do my

thing right now. Yeah, and again after and as I continue to process in the car ride to the studio, I just realize even further. I was like, I don't I don't need to to say anything on this. I don't. I just need to show up and get things, you know, do what we talked about. And you're not holding any resentment. No, I'm not. I'm honestly not. I'm just to let it go and I'm just like bringing this certain thing back up on something that we're working on. I was like,

I just it's not gonna go anywhere. It's not going to solve anything else, So why don't I just let it go? Not push it down, but let it go and move on and I feel better because of it. M Yeah, I'm trying to be an adult after I talk about Avengers. So okay, Well, if it comes back up then and it's still in new then I would like to hear you out. I appreciate that. I appreciate, appreciate appreciating that. Appreciate your appreciation, appreciating an emails we

do we do um. This one's from Danielle, not our producer Danielle, A different Danielle. How do you balance home, family, life and friends. I feel like since I've had my baby, I find it really hard to hang out with my previous friends. I crave a friendship outside the one my husband and I have, but it's hard finding good common ground with others. I wish I had more mom friends. Any tips. It's so hard two juggle all of those things because you want to be a good mom, you

want to be a good wife. You also want to be a good friend, and unfortunately the friend one always seems to fall a little bit more by the wayside depending on your personality, I guess, but as it as it should. For sure, the hierarchy should be your spouse and kids, and then your friends. Yeah, no, for sure, but it's also like you like, just like you you need your time to go to have it. You have to have it. So again it's for the wife, you know.

It's like we don't we need it too, and it's hard for us to do that when we feel like we're juggling. We have so much responsibility right that you guys put on yourselves. And even again, we talked about how many times we talked about here I have to physically like push you out of the house to do something. It's a little easier here in Nashville because of your core group here, but still it's you know, I've met a few mom friends at parks. Parks are a really

good place. There's also this new app. This is not an AD, but there's also an app called Peanut. It's basically like a Tinder for moms um like in your area. It's uh, it's pretty cool. You can meet like moms and what you're into and stuff. So that's another way

to meet some mama's. But I would say, you know, or even just even just calling you for like sometimes like I'll do my girlfriend Christen and I like we'll have Skype dates where we just have a glass of wine and because we can't leave because we don't have a sitter or you know, and we just skype and drink wine that way. And you know, if her friends are just not in that place of life yet still talk tell her friends that be like, hey, guys, I really miss you and I would love to hang out.

I can't leave if he gets the baby's gonna be sleeping. You know, we can't get ssider. My husband's here. That can y'all come over or one friend you you just want to come over and have some wine or watch it just wherever it is, have them come to you. A friend will do that, you know what I mean. You just have some grace with yourself. It's a new you know, it's it's a new time of your life, and you have to You'll get real, You'll you'll get

adjusted to it. It's just new. Yeah. And when you first have if it's like a true baby, like when you first have them, if it's your first and they're really young, it seems like there's no light the end the tunnel to ever do something for yourself totally. And I thought I thought when we had Jason, those first three months, I was like I guess I'm never going to step outside this house and I'm never going to be able to wash my hair and curl it and put them make up. And now it's like, okay, he's

curling around. Yeah, And I thought, I was like, I'm never gonna pay golf game. I'm never gonna see anybody in this past weekend. I was golfing all weekend. Look at you, now, look at us? Now? Anything else? System? Yeah? That we got one from anonymous. Those are always good. I've been living with my boyfriend for about a year. I have a two and a half year old son. Lately, the topic of money has become a very source subject. We work for the same company. He makes three times

as much as I do. I recently have found a passion of mine that I want to follow as a career, but in order to do so, I would need to cut back to part time. That idea was shut down immediately. I said that I would move in with my parents to save money, and he said, do it, but I know that our relationship would not last. How would you handle this situation. I think that's not fair that he's saying you can't do something if it's something you want

to do, right. Yeah, I get, you know, from a practical mindset, you know, I get the financial part of it, like maybe why he would have maybe some concerns, express those as concerns, but ultimately he should be supportive. I mean, she does have a son, though, so she has to be mindful of how she's supporting her son. So yeah, so if it's just him supporting, that's that's tricky because you know it's your Yeah, if you guys are just dating,

that's a different scenario. If you guys were married or even engaged, I think that would be yeah, yeah, for sure. If if they were a little bit more serious in their status of their relationship, then yeah, it would be probably easier for him to to justify you know, all right, absolutely I support that. I'll support you and your son. He make three times as much at the same company,

should be able to do that. But because I mean, what if I was like I I want to quit all this or not quit all this, but I want to start part time, Like I want to start a wedding because I love wedding planning. I want to do a wedding planning thing, and but I know that's not realistic because I have to support the family, you know, and work and do these other things. And you would be like, whoa, it would be hard nor situation because

we work together, all right. But I'm just saying that if we were you know, I don't know, right, but still, if if when I was doing medical sales and you said that I just want to quit entertainment altogether and I want to focus on start my own event playing business, I'll be for it. We'd make it work, you know what I mean er weddings. This sounds a lot like, you know, the Jim, Pam and Roy triangle in the office. Oh God, Eastern did you watch the office? You know,

the office as a whole. In my in my entertainment background, I've never seen no one. I got no one on here to understand the reference, describe it to it than honey. Pam was engaged to Roy. She wanted to go into graphic design and do more art stuff and maybe a job as a secretary. Roy was like, what are we gonna do for money? Even though he worked there too in the warehouse. And Jim, who's your friend? But they

really loved each other. They haven't confessed it yet. Jim was like, do it is what you want to do it and everyone watching it's just like, yes, Jim, Pam, that's why you should be with Jim. You're reading us a bedtime story about the office. It was very soothing. I hope there's a listeners that about email was the chair? Oh? I don't know, because the other day when we were in bed and we were about to get a little closer cuddling, he's like you want to come over? He's

like baby coming in. He's like, come on my chest and I was like OK. And then I lean over, I lift the sheets up and I was like holy he dutch ovened me and was just like good night, turned around and went to bed. I mean, that's the best way, not the intimate. Good job on you. But

I wanted to be well. That was like disgusting. It was like you had three eggs that were like what happened when you were in the bathroom still I thought it was gonna be gone, but I didn't let the cover to let it air out, and you walked into a death trap. Disgusting. I don't understand what do you want from me? What do you want from here? This is an appropriate email? Actually? Um, how do you keep the romancer intimacy alive when you have a gassy partner

when you're trying to conceive. We've been trying for six months now, and my husband will complain that it feels scheduled, planned, and it's taking all the fun out of it. Do you, Mike, have any advice or suggestions for keeping it fun and intimate when actively trying to conceive. All right, I'm gonna get real aggressive on this. This is interesting. I'm gonna

get Can I go first? Please? But yeah, okay, um, and I know where Michael stance is because the guys are like, you know, I just feel like I'm just a machine. I have to look, it is hard for women to get pregnant. We have about two days out of the month. Stop. No, we have two days out of the months to get pregnant. Okay, And if we don't have sex on that to day they give us, they say a week, but you know, because the sperm

can live and grow and fly up there. But really, truly, there's two days that I've been told and if we do not have sex on that day, and you guys do not ejaculate inside of us, then then we are screwed and have to wait a full other freaking month. And let me tell you, when you're trying to get pregnant, there's so much fighting pressure. Sorry Eastern on us no, because it's like there's so much pressure when you're actually

really physically trying. So then it gets frustrating when the guys like I just feel like whatever, like, well, you know what, we have to wait a full other month. We have it's like, we want to have kids. We don't want to have to keep waiting because we know that we only have a two day thing. So you know what, with everything that we have to deal with, I'm really getting angry right now with everything that we

have to deal with. It's like I'm sorry that you guys feel that way, that you feel like it's boring or that know that it's just like I just feel like I have to do this and it feels so you know, scheduled and what yeah, you know what, it does okay, And every other time I'll let you turn me over and do whatever you want to do and

have fun. But for those two days a month, can sorry Eastern, you know, knock on our door and say hey, baby, let's do let's make a baby, and let's be let's be excited and let's have that energy because you know what, it sucks for us to have to get to have to deal with this pregnancy. Okay, to try to freaking get pregnant. I love this how many women are listening to right now, like preach, like just pulling over the side of the road like yes, girl no, because you

do not understand. It is so hard, it's so frustrating. And we have these little maybe baby apps and it's like, Okay, this is the week, this is the week, like we have to do it and it really has to be and it's like I mean Michael and I sorry Easton, Michael and I. We even got into a fight about this the night Jason was conceived because I was like, honey, I don't want to wait another month to like please, I know, like can you just come inside of me?

Because he's like I'm tired. Well, aren't you so glad that you did? Because that baby is get our marriage together. You're welcome. Man, you would like to say anything, terrified to say anything, but this is perfect timing. I'll tell you why. But first, you know, we're men, We're not pieces of meat. Do you know I was going to when you flip us over, you have we have feelings to two days out of the maybe light some candles, take us out somewhere, make us feel pretty. Okay, she

when I light switches unbelievable. But it's funny because just just this past weekend, when I was with my buddies in Baltimore a golf tournament. I'll leave names out of it for nanimity, but one of my buddies, one of my buddies, his wife is opulating, and so we had to wake up early to tee off every morning. And she wakes him up like and as long as going off at six, She's like, hey, wake up, I'm ompulating. And he he rolls over, looks at the phone, sees

your alarm. He's like, honey, that's a tall ask. Right now. He's like, I got a full day of golf. She's like, your golf she said that to him. Yeah, sorry, still you can bleep that out, but it's good good to keep. Yeah, She's like, after your golf, He's like, honey. The fact that he turns out, he's like, that's a tall ask. I mean, but seriously, so ultimately, when we were done for the day before dinner, he went home, shower, took care of business, and it came back. Okay, good, good job.

He was good after you know, he was tired and after golfing all day and on his feet in the hot sun drinking some beers, he went home did what he had to do. That would be a hard order,

two drinking beers. But it was funny because we were talking about that, and a bunch of us that our dads have all been through that and have kids, and it's like, you know, obviously we don't know what it's like to be on that schedule, and we tried to, but it's had the pressure of you know, our of tracking all that stuff and then knowing that we only have that much time and then we have to wait another month to maybe try to conceive again for that

really short window. I think it's it's just funny because historically speaking, right men are the one who initiates sex, and so when we're faced with the opposite and we feel pressure, it's like all of a sudden, we're like, I'm not available. It's so messed up. It's just it's interesting. It's I would love to know the psychology, like a psychological study around it, because it is really interesting. It is interesting, but it's so frustrating though, and I feel

I feel your pain. But here's for the make your husband listen to this. You just put on the husbands out there, please, just it's so hard on us and it would just be really nice if you guys just showed up and didn't freaking complain about it, because we have to go through so much. Yeah, and if like so for Ashley who wrote the email, if she was able to tell her husband ahead of time, yeah, hey,

next month, these are the days. I'm obviously just like you tell me, okay, these are days, because it would help you feel less pressure. If I was the one who came to you, Hey, I know we have to have sex these days. No, I mean but I wanted, but I wanted you to be aware that I was going to be wanting for right. But it's great because then it's not like a surprise. Yeah, you know, like jump out and scare us. So yeah, bring again, scare us.

It's like you guys want to have sex. I'm um, but no, I think that that helps and it helps you guys not feel so lone in the process, like when you showed me your calendar and brought me in on it and told me what days it helped me feel more comfortable. So I would do the same thing if I was actually well, I just can't really eat it. Good night luck. I'm just pro pro stay on the same page with ovulation it because that stuff so annoying.

It's just another month. It's like, I'm not going to let this stupid argument wait another month, and good good for you. But I had a friend who told me that they were trying to conceive and her husband came home from work and she's like, hey, I'm oveling this, this has to happen, and he's like, I'm too tired.

I can't do it. So she had him take care of himself and then they had in a cup and they turkey based in yeah, and she just stood on she like did a headstand, and I'm like, I don't know if that works or not, but that's what they did. And I thought that visual is really funny. But yeah, that's that's one way to uh take I think all the intimacy out of it, but I get the job done. Almost offended. I know, right, I thought that was a

weird way to do it. But but they're pregnant now hooray y Well, well, on that note, UM, I love you guys, and um we'll be on location next time. We talk to you from Louisiana