An About Face with Bobbi Brown

from therapy, Oh, how was that. I'm holding space for it right, Okay there, um no, but I um oh, I I just love Amy so much, such a great therapist. You know I'm so emotional, are you? I'm so emotional. I just I'm on my period. Okay, well let's just get that out there. Um. Which is so funny because in the earlier days, my twenties, I was never emotional on my period, and it's switched same. Yeah, I'm like a roaring bitch about three nights before yeah, and then

I'm emotional. Yeah, Like it's yeah. For me, it was always like the week before, I'm like, oh, I'm going to start my period next week. Because I would just remember being always agitated and highly bitchy nothing. It's like

I just got mad about the stupidest thing. Yeah. Yeah, And I remember I'd have to hide my tampons and rappers from Mike because I'm like, I don't want him to know that was the reason I was being a total be No, no, I don't ever never because then they're like, oh, um, leo, please don't choot that baby, thank you. Uh yeah, so there was That's that was like the first thing I said to Amy today, I go, I'm really emotional. I said, I'm on my period. I said, but there it's um and I say this, I go,

the emotions aren't sad. She's like interesting, and she I was like, it's more of like, um, you know, I'm just like I'm around this new journey and I'm finding myself and I'm setting really good boundaries and I'm being more honest. So I was like, I think, just like coming into this new version like makes me emotional. I love it sweet. And then you know, she's I was like, I'm I'm like, I'm I'm starting to like who I

am and I think that. I was like, and that makes me emotional, and and then we were just you know, talking about I was told her about the date that I went on. Yeah about I mean, you know I'm dating, right, so I can maybe share stories about it. I don't know if you all are interested in hearing stories of the dating world. I think you should. Um, this is probably date, no serious relationships, just like date and have some fun. Right well, but I mean, like I feel

like hawk Girl summer was fun. And Leo, he's going to chew the chords, buddy. I've literally this is the thing about dogs too. I have five different bones for him to choose for to really, but come on, buddy, I need you to like chill here, there we go. Let's chew that. I love your sweetheart, but I need you to chill up. He's like, Mom, I was just my great you were therapy talking about your feelings. Whatelings. Um, So, okay,

we have an amazing guest coming on today. Uh and I don't know when she's gonna pop on, So I mean, should we start tiptoeing in the direction of where the emotions are coming from? Oh? Well, I just got a text saying Bobby Bobby's coming on in one second. So well, guys, you know I was gonna lean in and I was gonna lean in and talk about all this. Uh, maybe we'll talk about it after this amazing guest Bobby Brown.

If you don't know who Bobby Brown is, I'm gonna need you to go on Sephora dot com or Bobby Brown dot com. And um, her makeup is amazing. But she started a new podcast and I can always talk to her because she's a she's a beauty icon in in this space, and I just, um, I have her, I have right here because I'm like this, have you ever seen me use a different bronzer than this Bobby Brown bronzer all the time? Bobby Brown bronzer, the bronzing powder. I'm in the media shade. But let's take a break

and get her on and talk all things beauty and podcast. Hi. Hi, how are you? I'm so good. I'm Jannah. This is Catherine. Hi. Hi. Where are you? Guys? So we live in Nashville, Tennessee. I used to live in l A. Now I live here in Nashville. Where are you? I'm in montclar New Jersey. Is that where you're from? It is? No, It's where I raised my family. I'm from Chicago, Chicago. Yes, I'm from Michigan. Do you know how to play Yuker? No? I don't. Do you even do know the game? I do?

I do, but no, I do not play. I don't play anything. No, I'm not a player. No. I watched my kids play. How old are How old are your kids? They're older now? Thirty two, thirty and two. I just you know three boys. I just grew up watching them play. Are we are we? Are we a grandma yet? Or we are going to be a grandmother in the end of September? Oh my goodness. Have you thought about your name? Like? Do you want to be grandma? Do you want to be Nana? Do you want to be g g? Like?

Would you want to be it would make sense to be called BB. Love that, Yes, I I love that, And I have to I have to show you my my one. This is like I'm going to geek out really fast. This is the Bobby Brown. Do you know that that's not the new brand? I am. Yeah, you haven't gotten the memo? Come on, no, I love No, I got the memo. But like I'm saying, like I've started on this, So is that the new one that's gonna be? Yeah, I'm not I left that company almost

six years ago. And um, so I don't even know what if you didn't buy in the past five or six years, I don't know what you got. But this is the new brand, which is Jones Road, which is a clean brand, and it's it's different, it's very different. Okay. Well, so because I knew that you sold, because you sold Bobby Brown to Stay lott A right right, But I stayed twenty two years as an employee. Okay, I was there a long time, so left. I launched this brand

five years after I left. Well, I've been buying this um bronzing powder since it's um since you started with this brand. And let me just tell you, I've never cheated on you with my bronzing powder. Um. I mean I could possibly now cheat with the new product that you have, but I'll try and see you know what you like? Is it hard for you to still have

your name on something that's that you're not now? Okay, Now, I'm proud of what I did, and you know, I'm proud of the experiences I've had, and I'm certainly more excited that I am able to do something completely different, new and fresh and do it my way. Did you were you not able to do it your way in the beginning with the I'm not going to spend a

ton of time talking about the past. I kind of did that for a while, but you know, when it's a big brand and there's a lot of people involved in a lot of departments and a lot of you know whatever. Yeah, you just it's not like you're totally in charge when you as when you first start and now I am. I think I'm in charge, I mean. And then so then you have your new podcast, So what is that going to be about them? Tell me about the podcast on iHeart Radio Shorts on iHeart Radio,

and it's called The Important Things. And to me, the Important Things are is everything from how you live your life to who you spend time with, to what you do with the time to like how do you buy the best T shirt? Too? What do you eat to feel good? What do you do to look good? You know? And I'm someone who's really curious, and I have really great relationships with so many amazing women and that's how

I've learned so much. So this is just, you know, a way for people to hear these conversations and they're real and they're just they're not scripted, and I don't know. I just hope everyone loves them because I really enjoyed doing them. Have you had have you already started, um having interviews and stuff like are you badging some of them? Yeah? Now we're actually launching today, so we have I think

bankrolled about six of them so far. The first one which is launching is Giada de Laurentis, and so we talked about everything from you know, her being divorced, to her new boyfriend, her daughter raising a teenager, and of course I want to know how she could eat all

this amazing food and still stay thin. And we talked about you know, similarities like our height, and she told me about like her favorite genes, and we talked about bras because we're both doubt girls, and we talked about what works and what doesn't, and um, you know, hopefully it's relatable and interesting to people. And my assistance have been on and they they're like, oh my god, it

was so good. So I'm pretty excited. And I also talked to from Bling Empire Kim and Kelly, so I'm kind of go in different directions, like I find people really interesting and I just kind of want to know who you are, and like are you just naturally always beautiful? Like I don't know that much of I'm asking you. It's like, you know you're so pretty? Have you always like I felt pretty? Or have you ever had any kind of issues? Like I'm curious about stuff like that.

I mean, I I first of all, I love the personality that you have to lean into people and ask questions. That's why that's something that I, um love as well to sit down and be like where are you from? Who are like? Who are you? You know? And like what is your story? Because I I love hearing people's stories, and I think that's why I've enjoyed, you know, doing my podcast as well as just really hearing people's stories and relating and learning because I I want to learn

from other people. Um but oh man, I mean I was no, I mean I don't. I don't feel like I The first time I ever feel like I felt pretty was when I was pregnant with my daughter. That was the first time where I felt like I felt beautiful. Um but I mean I've had And then I would say and I was actually just gotten from therapy and I was kind of teasing a little bit of my therapy session, and I said, this is the first. I'm

thirty eight years old. I'll be thirty nine later this year, and I said, this is the and I again, I'm going to preface this. I'm on my period. I'm emotional, but like this is the first time like I've looked in the mirror and I'm like, I like this version not because I've you know, yes, I physically feel the fittest I've ever been. I you know, I've I feel good in my body, but I also it's I feel the most emotionally pretty and mentally pretty that I've ever felt.

And so like the the outside like, yeah, I feel like i've you know, I know how to maybe do my makeup more now, and I know how to you know, like embrace the you know, the no makeup look. But it's because I think what's coming in is the confidence is making me feel prettier. Um, and I think it was because of years of you know, my divorce and the men. And so I'm like, I'm really like loving

my who I'm becoming. I mean, look, everyone has a story, You're right, And I guess I sometimes asked the personal things because I'm I'm comfortable doing that and talking about it. I never like to make anyone uncomfortable and put them on the spot, but there's all these things like I'm sorry Jillian Michael, like do you eat bread? You know, so it's like like that was the first question, and she, you know, she started laughing at me, and then we

started getting into our digestion or my digestion. Hopefully they'll cut it out, but no, it's great. I mean Dr Oz told us how to have a great poop, you know, like what it looks like. So it's like, well, it's funny. I thought of naming the podcast at one point everyone poops, because I do think everyone is the same and you know, famous, not famous, old, young, we're kind of very similar. So you know, for me, there are so many podcasts out there, like I just wanted this to be, you know, someone

hearing a conversation. It's like I get to meet and talk to really interesting people, as do you, and I want people to hear the information is um you know, as someone who leans in because obviously you lean in, you want to hear people's story. Is there has there ever been something like what what prevents what prevents you from leaning in? Like is there something that like you get uncomfortable with or you shy away from in a topic. Yeah, you know what, I don't look to hurt people's feelings.

I don't hurt I don't look to out them on something. And you know, people have said a couple weird things and you know you have to make a decision do you keep them in do not keep them in? Like I don't. You know, I'm a caring person more than anything. So I you know, we all have things that we don't want to talk about and that we don't need everyone to hear about. So, um, that probably prevents me the most, I know. And I could kind of tell or I know, and there's things that are pain points

for people. I'm not trying to un lock this hotbed. There's other people out there that could, you know, play that role. It's not me. Where do you find it in your life where you kind of struggle leaning in? Um? Well, I've just started working with a business coach who you know is helping me out a lot of things. And she's teaching me that, you know what, the words that come out of my mouth really matter because I'm someone ask me how I'm doing. You know, my husband will

I've been married thirty three years. He'll pull out a little baby violin, you know. But it's like stress for me. But but it doesn't to him. It doesn't seem like they're stress. So I'm trying to um work on the words that come out of my mouth to be more

positive and to see things in a better way. And by the way, I'm sixty five and it's taken me years to evolve, and I'm someone that is thinking about my life when I'm eighty and and even ninety because I think, you know, I'm not going to be one of those people sitting on a chair and not feeling good in my body. It's Jesus, you look amazing. First of all, I was like, oh my gosh, I mean, you don't look a day older than me. Yeah, I

have two really good lights from Instagram from Amazon right here. No, I mean yeah, we like to and and Janna, I didn't it to meet you. You're Janna, right, I'm Janna. This is Katherine. You're Katherine. So I'm only talking to you, but you're sitting there, Katherine's I am sitting here. Yeah, I'm yes, I'm letting her take it away. No, please, Katherine, question away. Yeah. So yeah, So tell me quickly about you. So long story short, we are best friends and work

together obviously. Um, let's see what about me. We've you know, I was married for fifteen years, recently going through a divorce, have three kids. Don't lean in as much as you two do. I'll let you'll do that part of it. Um, well, no, I think it's because it's it's uncomfortable. It's not familiar, right, so you're like learning, like just like how I've been on my journey. It's like it's because it's not practiced. So I feel like if you practice it more, then

you're gonna eventually start to lean in more. Like the first time I prayed, I'm like, dear God. Um, like, you know, it's like but when you start to lean in two things, then you it gets more comfortable. And I think you know, you're learning to hug and like it's like as simple as like eventually I'm working honest. Yeah, but that's what that's probably why it works exactly, Yes, it is it. Yeah, but and you know what, not

everyone is supposed to be like someone else. I think the best thing is when you figure out, Okay, this is who I am and if someone thinks I should be different, that's more their problem than mine. So you know, I can't change at this point, so you should, you know, don't You know? There's some things I want to change. I want to drink more water, you know, I want to get up earlier, so I'm not always in a rush.

But I can't seem to master those things. Yeah, that's kind of the journey I'm on because I am you know, I'm trying to embrace that part of myself, um, but also not just be like, well that's who I am, so take it or leave it kind of things. So I'm definitely trying to embrace that at the same time and take it as a strength and not a weakness, um, but then also learning how to be more vulnerable and lean in right And honestly, it's about being happy. Like

what makes me happy? I you know, I walked away from the beauty business and then I went back. You know, this is my third or fourth podcast, Like why am I? Why am I? Because I like reinventing and I like shifting and moving and seeing what works. So I'm sure I'll be doing you know this for a very long time. What what practices do you do to stay in that. You know, it's because I'm kind of the same way.

It's like there's a lot going on and sometimes I fall out of positivity sometimes, you know, and that's to lean into that. But how do you stay um, how do you stay centered in in all the stuff that you're doing? Well? You know, I've always I've always done all these things, and I've always had a place to come home, which is my comfort zone. You know, my my I've been put wearing scrunches in my hair for years.

I've been wearing clouds fears. I would literally come out of New York City and the big fancy outfits and being so fabulous to my home and my three young boys that are not you know, young anymore, and my husband and I would just be I would be myself and be Bobby. And that is always what I crave. When I'm doing these cool, fun, amazing things, I just can't wait to get home and you know, take my bra off and put my robe on. That makes me happy. I call aunt Alice, who's ninety one years old and

you know, from Chicago, and she helps me. I call my dad, I call my best friends, Like I have a posse around me, you know, my kids, my work friends that when I need appreciate me for me and know when I'm like I'm like wigging out or coming apart,

there there to make sure I don't. And that's like I've always made sure I had that, and then being I can't yeah no, and then being married thirty plus years, I mean, do you like what what has been the thing that's kept you all together through all the seasons that you've been going through work wise too, and kids And he's so handsome. Um, you know, there's many things. I mean, look, he's uh, he's really strong, like I married someone who is even stronger than me, if that's possible.

And he's super super smart, and you know, you realize after thirty three years that the strong piece of him sometimes he is getting too strong. And that's you know, I have to figure out. And you realize that men and women are so different. So how I say things. When I say things, you know, I have to be a little bit careful. And I have three sons, so and I used to being a big corporation that was mostly men. I have learned how to navigate males because

they are so different than we are. It's not even funny. So why are we still together? Because every time I get piste off, I never say I'm going to divorce you. I just gonna say I'm you know, I'm gonna tell you why I'm upset with you and like ask you not to do it again. But you know there's more to it than that, you know. I was like, that's so simple. I love that. No. I get Look, I get annoyed, I get anxious, I get piste, I get all those things. I'm working on how I do it.

Like I'm not blaming him for the way he acts. I'm trying to be smarter and and how and when I tell him I'm upset or how and when? And I'm not always doing the best job. I'm working on it because you know, even with my kids, you can't tell them stuff, you know, and it doesn't work. They just they block you out. So what do you do? I was just thinking too, it's like as as as a you know, I have a daughter and a son um, but as you know, you're a boy mom, and it's

like I can't. I just I like, I hope, I pray to God, like the you know, the whoever he's with, Like I just I'm gonna because it's gonna be hard to take my son away, you know, like my, that's my boy. Like and then I'm like, now I'm like protective. You'm like, do they just want your makeup? Because I'm gonna tell these girls they need to like, like listen

up here, I adore my daughter in law. One of them is my head of social that she's one having a baby, and and and every time she wants me to shoot things, I'm gonna say, all right, how many minutes do I get the baby? Then we're gonna start negotiating. And and you know, she's my I love her. But you know it's not easy all of a sudden having girls come in the house either. So you know, nothing's easy. Guys in life, Hello, nothing's easy. But you put the

work in because it's worth it. You put the working because because it's worth it. I love that, Bobby. All right, tell everyone where we can listen to your podcast and

where we can get your new amazing new line. Well, you can listen to the podcast The Important Things on I Heart or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can go to Jones Road Beauty dot com and um you'll see everything or you can go to the Jones Road Beauty Instagram and um there will be uh, there's just Bobby dot com, which is our our editorial site. You could follow me on TikTok on Instagram and anyways, okay, awesome, Well,

thank you Bobby so much. Good luck with that podcast, and um, I am excited to listen to all the important things. Thank you. Bye. Well, I'm just gonna toss this one and I'm gonna get the new one. Um. I love people that want to, you know, as ask questions. Yeah, It's like when I was at the restaurant last night and it probably annoys people, but I'm as like, where are you from? Okay, I genuinely want to know. Like this waiter he was so cool and I was like like,

where are you from? I mean when you say I'm from Atlanta? And I was like, oh, I have a really bad Atlanta story that Katherine told him last week speaking Atlanta your airport socks. I'm sure we have more Atlanta stories too, oh do we ever? Um? But yeah, no, I just think it's I think it's cool. And you know, what's something that in therapy today when I was talking to Amy was I was telling her of the situation, and she goes, we're all on different wrote like we're

all on different places in the map. Okay, so you can be far left um with I mean even politics, religion, this whatever, where like wherever you're at, like and then you can and then maybe I'm over here, and it's like you can still have commonality, but you can just be in different parts on the map and still find you know, things that you can relate to. But if you're two polar, then that's when it's like is that

going to work? And then where is that person willing to kind of move on the map with you or not move on the map with you? And then are you going to be able to stick to like? And then you have to be like, okay, well what do I really want? And like are you like, for example, I don't think I could date someone that was really into like ayahuasca and like, super, what why are you giving me? Like I was like, this is someone like and it's ayahuasca is so funny? I was like, oh god,

I was like, who's doing ayahuaska? Um? Ayahuasca? Is this practice that again I'm gonna probably butcher this And I apologize and I don't mean to offend or whatever. Ayahuasca is. Uh this like I believe tea you drink it's some kind of I don't know the exact terminology of what it is. I don't know if it's like roots or right.

I mean like it's something that you drink of like a tea that has stuff that a shaman gives you and you like some people like poop themselves, like you go through like you basically go through like this um trip and um. But I've heard such beautiful healing that's come from ayahuasca. Like I I even almost considered doing it after my divorce because you know, people like they some people eat the toad or whatever like the like there's like there's certain things that people do that you

can experience, like massive healing. And so I remember talking to my girlfriend Caitlin Crosby about it and uh another friend of mine who actually did ayahuaska, and I was like I started to explore it, um to go, Okay, maybe I would like to experience what this might feel like or some revelation because people say they have like this insane revelation. But then I started to remember that I'm not the person that likes to take tailan al so I'm like me drinking this like concoction of I

don't know really what it is. You know, maybe that's not the right route for me. Like maybe I should just do like on site. Let's that that might be

more of like my alley. Like but you know, um, she was like I was talking to her about it because here both single moms, and you know, in the dating scene, and and one guy was very into ayahuasca and he was like a spiritual leader and he did all these things, and I think there's and I'm very spiritual, but if someone's on the spectrum all the way, like I just don't align with that right. And then I'm like, like, for example, let's just call this Julie, our best friend

in Queendom. Let's just start with this conversation. Hi, Julie, we're gonna talk about you for a second. We're at her birthday dinner with the queendom and um, it's you know, it's all of Queendom. And then a few other of our friends celebrating Pam and Julie and Julie's you know, she's, um, she's more on the I'm gonna read tarot cards, and she's really begin astrology, which is beautiful and I love it and I have you know, I believe some of

that stuff for sure. You know, I'm I'm a hands down Sagittarius and you know I'm I'm here for it and all of it. What I'm not when when she started talking about was her seven lives? Right, yep? You any more to that? No, that's what she started talking about. So she was basically saying like one in her sixth life, like she was, her and her husband were actually brother and sister. Kristen Brusco's way, She's like, I'm fine with

like the you know, sad like the astrology stuff. She's like, but you're telling me that you've got seven lives and so okay. So if that was a guy version, I'd probably be like, I'm not, like, we just don't align with that. I just wouldn't. Really, I'd be like, yeah, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't align with it. And then I'm like, is that I don't really want to have

conversations like that all the time. That was fun and it was funny and we had a great time, and like Julie, she was crazy, but also but that's great. That's what she believes in, and that's you know, she's had seven lives and like that's awesome. Like I'm in a champion and she owns it and I love it. But I don't think I could date someone like that, right, Yeah, well, again it does not align with your beliefs. That would be really hard to be in a serious relationship with

someone who has completely different beliefs. For me, it would be and maybe not some maybe some are really agree with that. I mean, you know a lot of people that are, you know, but it would be hard for me. Yeah, But I was trying to like understand. I was like, oh, Amy, how can I because I believe in different things too, and how can I not? I'm not trying to judge someone else. She's like, well, we're just all in a different part of the map, and you just have to

like how far outside of the map are you? How close are you? How is one willing to learn more? Is one willing to you know? And she's like you just had to kind of figure that piece out. And it's just it's so interesting because I just started thinking about like the seven lives things. I'm like, yeah, I can do that. Like, you know, because I wouldn't want to go do shaman trips every sure, maybe you know once in my lifetime could be interesting and I would

consider it. But I still think you have to like align with people and like if you know, someone had like twenty cats, I probably couldn't even do that. Like I'm not I'm not a big cat person, you know, like I like a cat again, but I'm like my mom would never to be able to come visit please date someone. So are we getting like a dating story or we're just gonna go with that. I can see the headline now, Jenne Gramer cries on a date? Uh No,

but I think so, Yeah, I did. I went on a date with someone and he's so he's a very special human being, Like he's a he's very emotionally vulnerable.

He's like he's a really great guy. There's just something that we don't align with, and it's something that's really important to me and I and I just had a moment when I was on the date where it's kind of like, okay, like do we then continue to talk or is that it because we have two different ideas of what this looks, of what we think something looks like and it's just so I mean, and I guess that's what dating is, and you can figure out what

you know, but when everything else kind of starts checking, you're like, damn it, you know. Yeah. But then I was telling my therapist today, I was like, it's just so cool because this new version that I like, love of myself that I'm becoming is very Usually I'm like, oh, yeah, that's fine, like nowhere, but I do I wouldn't mean it like this is. I want someone who has a

strong faith in God. I want like someone that has you know, X, Y and Z. And it's like, again, I don't want or need someone, but when I do have someone in my life and my kid's life, like these are the things that are kind of non negotiable in a way. You know. I love that though, that you're recognizing that and then you're able to stand up for that. Well that's and that's why I started crying. And I was because you've never been hand because I've never and he was just like he looked at me.

He's like, oh, he's like he's like I'm holding like he's like, I'm holding space for your emotions. And I'm like because he's like, I can see how I'm warn this is to you, and it's like, and it's not.

I wasn't crying because I was sad. I was crying because I was like I was actually crying because I was proud of myself, but like I was speaking truth of something that was really important to me, and I was just like, and it's And I told Amy today, I was like, it's just so foreign to like actually speak my truth and then be proud of myself for it or not feel like, well, you know, or or just to like be like, well I want him to like me. It's like, no, no, like I like me

and this because what comes along with me. I want someone to like you for you know. And and he does, but it's like he just might not agree with some of the things that I agree with. And it's like that's the part where it's like, well, I'm not really going to bend on certain things because I don't have to write. I mean, I guess that makes sense. But Amy saying, you know, depending on where y'all are on

the spectrum, if you're able to meet somewhere or not. Yeah, but dating is so interesting because I feel like now, like after Hawk Girl Summer. I'm not again. I'm not looking for a relationship, but I'm I'm past the point of like just like having fun. So I will like nip it in the butt. Bud, it's the bud, nippit, nip it in the bud. But I'm gonna nip it in the butt. I think I used to think that, but I think it's bud. Okay, I'm gonna nip it

in the bud. But yeah, I don't know. So, I just dating is interesting and it's fun, but it's I think it's been really cool because I've been able to learn more about myself through dating and what I want and what I don't want, and then just kind of just being alone too, which is really nice, like we've talked about before. But anyways, the phrase. The phrase refers to the horticultural practice of pinching out plant buds to prevent the development of shoots or flowers. I'm gonna nip

it in the bud. There you go, here's the actual. So, I don't know, what have you learned, Catherine, What have I learned? Oh my gosh, about myself? I don't know. I don't know. I've learned a lot about myself in the last just a couple of weeks, honestly, Um, but that's just from being alone and realizing that, Um, I've got a lot to work on, but I am. I'm here for the journey. I've learned that I'm way more emotional than I realized, and I don't really know what

to do with the emotion, but that's fine. I'm learning to just sit in them. That's the biggest thing right now. It's like, why do I feel this way right now? I don't really know, but I'm just gonna sit in it. That's kind of my new my new thing. I think too. You're you're always like I you wanted to be alone, but then you're like, oh, now I'm alone, And then you didn't realize the emotion that would come along with

being alone, even though it's what you wanted. But now it's like, yeah, and it's not like a it's not like a regret, it's not a whatever, it's a you know, at first, there was a lot of relief and I got to just be by myself and really, but now it's kind of like, Okay, what am I doing next? Because I really am by myself, you know, and I really have to do all this, So one am I going to do with it? And how I'm gonna, How am I gonna It's just kind of the pressure of

like how am I going to change? How am I going to make sure that the next thing or just or not even the next thing, just how you know, I'm going to be happy, and I am happy. It's just a lot of emotions that are up and down with it. I guess you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah, where the where the emotions? Like where are you trying to figure out where those emotions that are coming from? Yeah?

A lot of it, A lot of it is. I mean, I do think the main emotion is a delayed reaction of like my family is no longer, not necessarily that I'm not married anymore, but just like you know, I think about family trips and you know we've talked about that, but it's just like or holidays or whatever that I

had a very delayed reaction to that. It was like I was prepared for it, but I'm like, Okay, now the reality is sinking in um and then what that looks like down the road when somebody has when we have other other people in our lives and you know, stuff like that. That's the stuff I knew about and I thought about, but I hadn't felt it yet. And so now that I'm feeling it, Um, I'm just trying to like, you know, sit in those emotions but then also turn it to positive. That's one thing I'm learning

to like. If I sit in it too long, then I get down. And I don't want to stay down. I want to feel it, but then bring myself back up. So what do you do then to get back up? Um? Right now? Really, I just, um, I go to the Bible, honestly, you know, I just you know, I go to the Bible, or I do or I pray or I do. You know, I'm very trying to get back you know, into my personal relationship more. Um and then or I just try

to do something that makes me happy, you know. Like if I'm just sitting there, like scrolling on so that's when I see, Like when I'm just like sitting there on social media and I just like start thinking about stuff, I'm like get up and go for a walk or get up and you know, do something with the kids or whatever it is, and just trying to like just get out of your body. That's interesting. Yeah, it's all

been very It's a journey for sure. I will say, I know I'm not trying to get like super religious on everyone here. But when you say you look at the Bible, it's so funny because we don't actually talk about it a lot together? Do you are you do? More? Like how do I say? This? Um is so different people on the map right, Like some people like I have one friend who's always like, God spoke to me God. It's like and then but I like, you don't really

ever I mean know, you listen to worship music. I know you go to church, but like I don't never like I guess we never really really talk about it. Yeah, I mean we don't. We have and we have it. I think at the beginning of our relationship you weren't really in the spot. So I definitely you know, if there's somebody that's not I will plant little seeds here and there. But I'm never going to make someone feel uncomfortable or like I'm trying to pressure them or anything

like that. I never want to be that kind of Christian Um. But if it's someone that's open to it or I know is looking for it or then I will speak more about it. Um, but it's been so amazing to watch is you come into your relationship on your own. It's been just really cool and and my point of view to watch. But no, I think I go I've gone in and out of I've always believed.

I mean I've never you know, really not, but I've gone in and out of how much effort I put into it and how much time I put into it. And I'm just putting a lot more time into it now and making it more of a priority. Yeah, I'm for sure just holding space for that. Okay, Well that was a really good episode. Um, I'm gonna I want to share another dating story, but I'm gonna hold it for next week's because I'm gonna try to get someone on to It's either gonna be the next week of

the next week, but someone that can. I'm gonna bring a guy on that I've known for years and we're just going to have I want to do like it. I really want to ask from a male's perspective in the dating world, because he's single and whatever, so I would love to kind of hear a man's perspective of game playing. Nag Jason spar like all of it, So yeah, that'll be good. Whould interesting? We should try that all right, y'all have a great week.