Thailand's lesser visited spots

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I absolutely love Tok Sen massage which is a very northern Thai. tradition and it basically it's out you're gonna go oh that sounds awful but no you get hit with a hammer okay hear me out it's not what i expected so there's like a wooden They put it along the energy lines, which is similar to the Chinese medicine meridian lines. And the idea is that your energy travels along those lines of your body. And they put the slate along.

place in your shoulder where that energy line is and then they knock it with a hammer a small wooden hammer it's brilliant

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And welcome to Where To Go, where we're on a mission to make every trip extraordinary with the help of global travel experts. Today we are exploring Thailand. Rachel, could you give us a bit of an introduction? I can indeed. Located at the beating... heart of southeast asia thailand is known worldwide for its lush islands floating markets ancient temples and gorgeous national parks really it's a country that needs no introduction to be honest everybody loves thailand but today we've got help

exploring this beautiful country with returning guest Lucy Grace. So Lucy Grace is a freelance travel and culture writer who grew up in Malta and the UK. She has since lived in Croatia, India and Thailand whilst working for the independent... Time Out, Lonely Planet and iPaper. Welcome Lucy!

hi thanks so much for joining us so as usual we will start by learning a little bit more about our guest lucy followed by her all-important recommendations of where to go and insider knowledge of thailand then we'll hear about how to plan the best possible visit

So, Lacey, you're joining us from Chiang Mai in Northern Thailand. If I'm correct, you've been living in the country, is it three, four years now? It's three and a half. Yeah, it's coming up to four years. Three and a half? Coming up to four years in the autumn. It's really flown by. Can you share a few reasons?

why you love it so much why you've stayed for so long yeah absolutely I think specifically Chiang Mai really appeals to me because I lived in London previously before I moved to Asia six years ago I was living in London for a really long time like 15 years and you get into this headspace that you can't possibly leave because you need live music and you need art galleries and you need all these cultural things and Chiang Mai has

all of those things, but on a micro scale, but it just, it's a brilliant city. It's not as hectic as Bangkok or Singapore or any of those other big capitals in Southeast Asia, but has. So much fascinating stuff to do and so much cultural stuff that really just keeps me busy. I think the main thing that sort of really clinched it for me is it's just absolutely surrounded by nature.

So there's like mountains, waterfalls. You can drive to a waterfall in 10 minutes if you want to go and chill out by waterfall. And it's, yeah, you still get city life here in Chiang Mai, but... It's a really peaceful place at the same time. It doesn't feel like a big city. So I've sort of got all of my needs met, basically.

You've won the lottery. You've got the best of both worlds. I love it. I love you 10 minutes away from sitting next to a waterfall. That sounds absolutely idyllic. It's pretty nice. It is pretty nice. I visited Chiang Mai, I think it was maybe about 10... years ago now.

And I remember thinking that exact same thing that I was there with my other half and we really liked going hiking. And just like the variety of stuff that you could do within the area was absolutely astounding. And you're right, it's just like so surrounded.

by these it's like leafy leafy greenness it's beautiful i loved it yeah you've either got mountains or like rice paddies or jungle it's just like yeah big variety of hiking trails lots of people come here just for the hiking I think I'm not I'm not a gifted hiker I'm not a natural hiker

But I do. Neither am I. I just give it the old college try. I like driving motorbikes to places like little villages around and going on day trips. But yeah, hiking, it's very hot up here, okay? It's not my natural... sort of temperature so that's what i i'll blame the heat but yeah i'm not i'm not a big hiker

In terms of getting out on your motorbike, is Chiang Mai quite well located for travelling around Thailand? It's well located for travelling around the north, and it's really well located for travelling around Asia. You can get direct flights to Chiang Mai from pretty much... Yeah, nearly every Southeast Asian and Asian country you can fly directly to Chiang Mai. Can I think of one or two? You can't. But getting to the south of Thailand, you can take the train or the bus or fly.

i try not to fly internally the trains are adorable they're like old i say oh they're from like the 90s probably they're like 90s carriages and quite rickety but they're just so slow like sometimes you're on a train and you're like that old man on a bicycle is going past us like what's happening here it's really slow so it takes 12 hours it takes 12 hours to get the train to bangkok

12 hours to get the bus to Bangkok and and then from Bangkok it's really easy obviously to go to the rest of the south so it's I wouldn't say it's like really well located for getting around Thailand but it's not it's not hard and it's I quite enjoy I really enjoy the trains like I love I love them they've got a special place in my heart Lucy I feel like you must have fully shed the London mindset because if you were to say here that

your train was going so slow that someone was cycling faster than it all it would be an absolute nightmare you've become very zen yeah I did when I sort of said when I was back in the UK a little while ago I was like oh I'm going to Scotland it's only five hours and people looked at me like

what five hours it's so close i've got to say i've got the same attitude because i live up in edinburgh and commute down to london relatively regularly and yeah i'm just like yeah five hours that's no problem that's a relatively short journey i used to live up in inverness

eight hours so it's um I remember the the trains in um I remember getting on the train from Chiang Mai to Bangkok and I grew it was just like one of the best experiences on a train that I had it was a sleeper train and the beds were super comfortable and private and

I loved it. It's a really popular route. It's a really popular route. If you want to do that in peak season, you have to book your tickets and be really on the ball or use an agent to get tickets for it now because, yeah, come November, December, it's really hard to get. But at the moment, I'm... Like, I'm going to Bangkok in August. I'm like, oh, I'll just buy a ticket. I love this time of year because it's off-season. European summer, people don't really come to Thailand much.

which is why it's kind of my favourite time to be here and like you said it's so scenic but it's also really comfortable and I think that sort of sense of you've actually travelled from one place to another Whereas you can easily just jump on an airplane for one hour, but I like the sense of distance about how far you've actually travelled. Yeah, it's like an experience in itself, the travelling.

We all know that Thailand is home to like thousands of incredible islands. So could you recommend any for escaping the crowds? Because I know that there are a couple that tend to get a little bit busy. Okay, don't quote me and be angry if any of these are now crowded, because we've had the White Lotus, and White Lotus fever, and a lot of places that a lot of violence are sold out.

going to Koh Samui now in August sold out. I was quite surprised because I always think of Thailand being peak season in November, December, January. They do have a microclimate in some of it. The white lotus effect is very real, isn't it? I mean...

Every time they go anywhere, it shoots up like 400% in bookings or something. Absolutely. So this is my disclaimer. I can give you some... quiet tips but if you all get there and they're not quiet anymore it's my quiet sport not mine so i my first recommendation is colipe which is an island really far south on the Andaman coast, almost near the border of Malaysia. And it's really great for snorkelling, basically. It's one that's just got these really fantastic reefs.

coral that's not too far and even if you're a lot of people go there diving but even if you're not a diver like i i'm not a diver i'm not a hiker i'm not a diver they i think i think co-leap is nicer to go than co-tau really co-tau's so packed now And just a very idyllic little archipelago that's around Koh Lipa down there. So that's a good one. I love Koh Mak. Koh Mak is east of Bangkok.

There's a really big island called Koh Chang, which is the second biggest island in Thailand, which is nice. But if you go east of Koh Chang, Koh Mak, which is sort of near the Cambodian border, is... thailand's uh kind of like eco low carbon island and it's just lovely everyone sort of cycles around or has the little motorcycle there's no cars really um if there are sort of vehicles they're electric electricity powered and yeah i like pomac a lot it's not packed at all yet

I'll say that now. I'm really apprehensive about this. One that I've only been to once, and it's fab, is Coast Summit. And it's just south of Pattaya. And it's really where Thai tourists go. So if you want to have a very, very Thai experience and all of your food is Thai, you're not probably going to get like Western food and you're probably not going to really get people speaking much English, but everyone will be Thai and it's great.

and beautiful and it's 10 minutes to get the ferry there from the mainland yeah coast summit so like that's the kind of I think my Thai friends will listen to this and be like, what have you done? Listeners, keep on the down low. It's only between us. Yeah. And then there's a, and then confusingly, there's another island called Koh Chang.

So I just mentioned the big Koh Chang that's east of Bangkok, but then there's another Koh Chang that's... on the andaman side north of phuket and that's really tiny if you want that kind of like alex garland the beach like off the almost off the grid practically no electricity ko chang's great that i just went for a couple of days in

March and then the next one I want to go to is Koh Pratong which is also just above Phuket and it looks like they've got some really great sort of eco resorts coming up and I mean, I'm just interested in a lot of the sort of culture on the Andaman coast. I want to go and research around there.

Lovely. Some great options there. Thank you for revealing your secrets. I could tell that you're apprehensive. I don't believe in gatekeeping and I'll share secrets, but I'm just worried that you'll get there and some of them will be busy. this woman said it was i mean yeah i think

Listeners will know Thailand is booming right now, but for good reason. It's a beautiful country. And I mean, it's known for its beaches, which are world famous, but obviously it's got a lot of other natural attractions. As we've already spoken a little bit about you, you don't think you're a great hiker, but I know you like to get out in the outdoors. So tell us a bit about some of these natural attractions that you'd recommend.

Yeah, really, really surprising. Obviously, I mentioned there's lots of waterfalls around Chiang Mai. There's also a lot of hot springs across Thailand. If you're a hot springs lover, there's loads around Chiang Mai and further in the northwest and Meihan Song. There's loads of hot springs near Krabby. I love that. I go hot spring hunting. And then I think my favourite place in Thailand is Khao Sok National Park. And...

I'm going to mispronounce this, I'm quite sure, but it's just the most phenomenal lake, Chao Lan Lake. And have you ever seen pictures of Halong Bay where it's just like the bay with all the rock formations? It looks a lot like that, but it's a large lake.

it's much quieter than Halong Bay because you can't get those big ships in there because it's a lake and you can stay on floating bungalows or you can stay on some of the resorts in the park and then they'll take you on a day trip to the lake but it's just so pretty like the sort of long tail boat that took me to my floating bungalow i went for my birthday last year i was just like

Just gobsmacked, just like, where is this? This is amazing. Anytime anyone comes to Thailand now, I'm like, right, we're going back to Khao Sok. We have to go to Khao Sok National Park. I'm really sold on it. It's fantastic.

And then I really like Khao Yai National Park, which is northeast of Bangkok. It's just really stunning. A great one for hiking. Loads of, like... waterfalls and whatnot but there's also this new um outdoor I guess sculpture-esque park called the Kauyai Art Forest which is just awesome they just opened this year so if you want to if you're someone that likes cultural things and nature it's a really nice it's a really nice combo

And then I have to fly the flag for Doi Inthanon, which is Thailand's highest mountain. It's not far from Chiang Mai. It's about 45 minutes south of here. 2,565 metres high. and it's the highest peak so it's really cold up there even if it's um quite warm and humid down on chiang mai level sort of drive down to doyenthenon and like i should have brought more clothes it's like this was really cold

When we were away in Thailand previously, we went to Khao Sok and I was absolutely much like yourself, just like blown away by it. It was incredible. And at least when we were there, it might have changed now, but it didn't feel particularly busy.

at all it was like you got out onto the lake and it was just you and the rest of the people on the board amazing the other thing I forgot to mention is there's no phone signal or wi-fi on the lake so if you're there for two days you just won't have any phone signal at all this place sounds like heaven yeah i've discovered heaven guys i need to go

No chat notifications, nothing. It was, yeah, yeah. I remember it being very, very peaceful. And I remember there being caves there as well, unless I'm much mistaken. I remember going down into like a couple of limestone caves, potentially, which had loads of... In the National Park, yeah. Yeah, Stalic Titan, Stalic Mike Formations. And that was, yeah. But it very much felt like an off-the-beaten-track kind of little spot.

loved it yeah it's a great spot so you mentioned hot springs before um and we know you're you're into your wellness so are there any other experiences in thailand along those lines that you could suggest you know what thailand's wellness scene is really booming and i think

I think that Thailand very sort of cleverly rebranded itself from a backpacker destination to wellness and luxury. And I just, I'm like... how did this happen it's just like sort of happening around you in the course of the past few years i remember saying to people a few years ago no no there's really there's really a lot going on

So there's some very, like, world-leading health resorts in Bangkok. There's a great one called Raksa, a great one called RXB. There's Leanne Life in Phuket. And they're all really into, like... epigenetics and preventative wellness and things that are going to give you longevity and the same stuff they're doing in switzerland but here they mix a lot of eastern medicine like chinese medicine

ayurvedic indian medicine with western and it's yeah like i've been to visit some of those and that's been an absolute pleasure on a very um sort of stripped back uh note i absolutely love toxin massage which is a very northern thai tradition and it basically it's out you're going to go oh that sounds awful but no you get hit with a hammer okay Hear me out. It's not what I expected. So there's like a wooden...

They put it along the energy lines, which is similar to the Chinese medicine meridian lines. And the idea is that your energy travels along those lines of your body. And they put the slate along.

place in your shoulder where that energy line is and then they knock it with a hammer a small wooden hammer it's brilliant you're both looking at me like no but you have to it's really good i've got knots in my shoulders and as you were describing it i was thinking like actually if someone did get in there with a hammer

yeah yeah I've become a fan of deep tissue massage as well even though it's like really cannot sometimes be pleasant in the moment afterwards I feel like a brand new person so I'm I'm down for the little hammers I think they sound yeah we'll give it a go It doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. I mean, it depends how hard they whack. It doesn't hurt. It's just the idea is that it's realigning your muscles.

getting rid of any tension but also it gets you feel quite energized afterwards so yeah i'm a big toxin fan and you can't really get that in southern thailand it's a it's definitely like a northern thai thing so Look out for that if anyone's coming north. Regional speciality. Well, I could talk about wellness all day, but...

Lucy, we're talking about Thailand and we'd really be remiss if we didn't talk about food. Yes. So could you share some of your favourite dishes or your favourite spots? I can. I have to caveat that I'm vegetarian. So a lot of the Thai specialties are very, very meaty, but luckily Chiang Mai is like vegetarian, vegan heaven. It's brilliant. I've actually written about that. It's just, there's so many.

so i can get veggie versions of everything here if i go to some of the other towns in northern thailand not so much but um i eat a lot of cow soy which is a northern thai noodle soup spicy and it normally has like chicken it's like big flat egg noodles like yellow egg noodles with crispy fried noodles on top and normally people put chicken or beef or something and i i get tofu but i i can have that for breakfast i feel like you know you've lived in asia for a while

when you start eating savoury things for breakfast. So I remember going on holiday to Japan and China years ago and I still lived in London and I was like, oh, are these people eating rice at breakfast? I could never do that with my Frosties or something. And now I'm just like, yeah, noodles in for breakfast, let's go. But yeah, I do eat cow soy for breakfast most days now. Patiou is another great one. It basically means stir-fried soy sauce noodles.

And that's kind of like what Thai people would eat, their number one noodle dish, really. And it's delicious. You can get it with all different toppings. Likewise, whether it's street food or in a fancier restaurant, Patsy U is a really good one.

You don't really see Thai people eating Pad Thai, I have to say. It's a bit like the chicken korma thing where it's like, that's not really something you'd get in India. Okay. Yeah. You can absolutely get it everywhere, but generally... um pad siu is more popular and i i really like pad caprau as well which is a stir fry with basil and then you can it normally has a fried egg on top and meat but i'll have it like with tofu and fried egg instead

Yeah, Padka Prow, Patsy U, Classics. That sounds honestly so good. I'm like, I've... had breakfast about 30 minutes ago and yet I'm like hungry now and um noodles for breakfast sounds good to me I'd be totally I'd be down with that don't knock it till you've tried it and also mango sticky rice I mustn't

mustn't let's like forget must not forget mango sticky rice but i try and limit myself to like one a week or something because it's so also it's a whole meal like people say oh mango sticky rice is dessert no that's like that's it's so filling like so filling so i sometimes have that for dinner instead of which that's irresponsible advice but you know why not

No, it sounds good to me. Sometimes you need a little energy boost. So we talked about quite a few hidden gems off the beaten track stuff, but are there any others that you'd like to share with us?

I feel it would be remiss to not fly the flag for Northern Thailand because a lot of people I meet say, oh yeah, I've been to Thailand. I went to this island and that island. Have you been to the north though? Oh no, there were no beaches. Also, people say to me, you live in Thailand and you don't live near the beach. Why would you do that? So the north is amazing. I really love Nan, which is in the northeast. It's a few hours, maybe like four hours.

drive from chiang mai and it's a really fantastic city it's the north of thailand's got a lot of lana culture lana was a different empire for a few hundred years and so it's got this slightly different language it sounds a bit more like lao language there's a temple in Pumin it's just got these most fantastic 19th century murals with inside it and you can just see how people dressed and there's all these fantastic like murals of the tattoos

that Lana people used to have like covered their legs were covered in tattoos I love that I really like Nan also Nan's got a lot of really famously beautiful nature and drives and cocoa plantations and silver work like it's just great it's a really great one that I don't think many tourists from the UK know about and then even tinier is this old town called Payer

which is spelt p h r a e and it took me a very long time to work out how to say claire i think i'd been there for about i'd been there about four times before i figured it out and it's between nan and chiang mai so it's quite nice if you wanted to go to all three it's quite easy because

connected and it's just this really great old town that's got lots of unusual teak architecture because it was the center of the teak industry in the 19th century like the western world of building their railways the wood came from there so it's got all these like Gingerbread houses they're called, you know, like really ornate European style houses that are really rare. I like it there a lot. And then the other tip, I would say a lot of people who are coming to Chiang Mai.

Tag on going to Pai, which is a small village north-west of here. But I prefer Chiang Dao. Pai is really, really busy. It's a backpacker haven. Backpackers love it. Psy-trance parties in the forest. Great. Can you tell I lack enthusiasm for sidetrack parties in the forest? But Changdao is gorgeous. And if you want to go to a small village and have the kind of, oh, I'm driving a bike through the rice paddies to find a tiny cafe to sit in a hammock and write my thoughts, you know, like...

Pi is lovely but it's pretty packed and I prefer Chiang Dao which is two hours north of Chiang Mai. Amazing. Lucy, I think you're a great cheerleader for the north and for... hidden gems in general thanks so much for showing so many things to do i can't wait to get hammered in the back and eat some noodles for breakfast Whether you want to sample world-class cuisine, explore awe-inspiring temples, or bask on some of the world's most gorgeous beaches,

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So you've convinced us to come to Thailand, Lucy. We're packing our bags imminently. But is there an optimal time to visit? Generally peak season across Thailand is November, December, January, February. European winter.

or North American winter is when people come here. But I have a lot of love for green season. Green season is the marketing branding of... rainy season very very rainy nicely done nicely done and some as i said at the beginning some islands in the south have a microclimate so actually july and august aren't rainy

in Koh Samui, Koh Panyang and Koh Tao. The Samui Archipelago in the Gulf of Thailand, they actually have their rainy season in November and December. So you can... it's normally cleared up by Christmas but anyway generally people come to Thailand in November December January but I really like it here at the moment because it's much quieter and if you do like natural sights and you do

like being out in nature it's just everything pops it's so green and you can't necessarily go on all the hikes you want to if it does obviously if it chucks it but it doesn't it doesn't rain every day it will rain it will just hammer it down like you've never seen such heavy rain until i moved to asia six years ago i thought you know i thought i knew rain

You can't drive in it. You can't walk in it. You just sort of stand and watch and hope that you've got... stranded in a in a good place a good cafe or somewhere that you want to be stranded for the hour or half an hour that it takes to pass but it does pass is my point so if you did visit in july or august

and you think oh it's raining it doesn't really very often last very long and sometimes i've actually driven through the rain like i'll drive it's not raining and then you know drive for like 200 300 yards and i've passed through the cloud and you're like you come through the other side of it it's really you can sometimes see the sheets of rain coming down it's very elemental I yeah I like it a lot but I guess if it's your first time and you would like it an easy time

November or late January is the best because obviously December prices are sore, like sore, sore, so high. But early November, perfect weather. Late January, perfect weather. So if you can box around... you know sort of school holidays but that's that's when I would say most most comfortable but if you're up for an adventure and you prefer to be in countries when it's not super busy then

why not try july i am i i don't deal very well with the heat i think a lot of the time and so i actually really like monsoon season i mean maybe not if it was you know the whole time but you're right I think I've seen it come down like that before and it is super elemental it's like an incredible experience and you can't you can't do anything in it I think like sometimes here in the UK you know we'll go out with our brollies and stuff when it starts raining

no brolly is going to take that it's going to be destroyed oh no oh no can't do it just wave goodbye to your umbrella no no no no

okay so we know we need to check the weather but what about checking the calendar for any standout festivals or events that we could plan our visit around the two biggest events entire on the thai calendar are loikra tong and uh song crown so loikra tong is the i guess

Christmas equivalent? Leuvertong is the festival at the end of November where all the lanterns released into the sky. It's praising the goddess of water and the idea is that you're cleansed by water to start afresh and people release the lanterns. in the sky to make their wishes moving forward. They float baskets down rivers to let go of troubles and it's really really pretty and it's always in late November.

I want to say around the 25th, 26th, that kind of time of November. It's a lovely time to be here. A lot of my Thai friends say, be mindful of... having eco cratons if you do join in and you want to put your candle on on the croton that floats down the river you can buy with them but we can make your own there's a lot of workshops in chiang mai and i'm sure there are in bangkok and other places where you can make your own croton out of like leaves and things like that and not

you know not buy all the plastic things that then it's someone's job to go down river and clean up all the plastic so yeah yeah yeah so that's something to note about that but it is gorgeous like the the lantern that's going off is just yeah it's a really special time And then Thai New Year, which is in April, is the biggest water fight you've ever been to. It's called Songkran. And again, it's a very water-themed, like...

The idea is of cleansing yourself. A lot of tourists come and they put their Hawaiian shirt on and they go out with water guns. But you can actually get up early in the morning and go to temple.

that is the main part of it that is what it was for the water fights have developed over the years but people go to temple and um wash and sort of put water over the statue of buddha and it's just this like Cleansing and purification and washing away bad luck But then there's the water fight and that is that's really something Bangkok and Chiang Mai are the most famous places for it Chiang Mai is surrounded by moat

And so people go to the moat and you can fire your water guns and yeah, that's, that's a good time as well. That's mid April. Um, but yeah, it's now at the year 2,568 in Thailand. So, you know. greeting you from a different year. It's 543 years ahead by Buddhist calendar. Wow.

I didn't know that. I'm glad that you said that because I was trying to work it out. I was like, we're the second. I'm not very good at maths. I was trying to work it out. The only time it confuses me is when I'm trying to read stuff on Google. And you know how Google has the date of when things were published? But it puts the date in the Thai year because obviously I'm reading Google in Thailand. I can't work at that. Yeah, too much. I'd be doing exactly the same thing, I think.

So they both sound like beautiful events to come to Thailand for.

But as well, we always like to end our episodes by asking how our listeners can make a positive impact when they're visiting Thailand. So do you have any tips for that? I think that trying to visit under-touristed spots...

is a great place to start. Support smaller villages, support smaller businesses and local Thai businesses if you can. A lot of people come to Thailand and they want to see elephants and that's a real big issue because... elephant tourism generally here it's getting a lot elephant tourism is getting a lot better here but still

a lot of the elephant experiences you see people going like bathing the elephants and hugging them and getting photos with them and just not just don't touch them don't bathe them you know if you do want to go and visit elephants make sure that they've

the place you're going has a very hands-off policy. We have one up here called Elephant Nature Park, which is completely hands-off. But yeah, even friends of mine who are experienced travellers or travel writers, like, oh, I'm going to this one and I'm going to bathe them. And I'm like, oh, don't do that.

But yeah, I think that's the big thing for Thailand, really. Research elephant tourism and support local businesses. And Koh Samui looked great on the White Lotus, but there's lots of other islands to visit. Lots of islands which you've recommended to us. Thank you so much, Lucy. That was great. You're welcome. It's been such a good episode. Thank you for inviting me back. It was great.

Oh my gosh, cow socks sounds like heaven. I think after we get off this recording, I'm going to go look it up and book a flight because it just sounded so idyllic. and I want to be somewhere very remote with no signal and just boats on the water. Sounds great.

I can, I can confirm that. I mean, yeah, I was there a little while ago, but it was just absolutely beautiful. And Lucy's got me dreaming of going back a lot. And she's also got me dreaming very strangely of being hit with tiny hammers. That sounds like right at my street. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, at first I was like, no. And then the more I thought about it and I felt these twinges in my shoulder knots, I was like, yes, actually, I do want someone to get in there with a hammer. Yeah, when I realised I was like hunched over the microphone and I thought, yeah, maybe...

It would be a good thing for me. And also noodles for breakfast. She's got me sold on that. I'm incredibly keen. I'm sold on the Thai lifestyle. I want it all. Thank you so much to Lucy. Listener, you can follow Lucy on Instagram at... 80 bathes that's eight zero bathes and find her work at lucygrace.quantedly.com And join us for the next episode where we're talking all things maps. So it's a very special episode with DK's very own cartographer. You won't want to miss it.

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