WHY MATT GOT GHOSTED BY CHLOE FROM TOO HOT TO HANDLE

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She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of my kissing style.

We boyfriend and girlfriend from about twelve hours.

He's in a trash bin.

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On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are so excited to be spending some time with the sexy and hilarious Chloe from Too Hot to Handle.

Chloe is also an English model and previous beauty queen from Miss Super Talent pageant, but you may also know her from the popular TV shows The Circle and The Perfect Match.

We can't wait to chat all things dating, toxic men, relationships, and reality TV gos with Chloe.

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Okay, Matt, before we start this episode, I feel like we have to kind of catch our audience up because Chloe is our guest today from Too Hot to Handle And you guys have a little bit of history, don't you.

Yeah.

So, a couple of years ago, a radio show here in Melbourne invited me on to go on a surprise blind date with another reality TV starf so she was actually Chloe.

Did you know it was going to be her?

No, that's right, And I was like, oh, I actually watched your Hot to Handle, so I knew she was Wow.

And how did the date on live on air go?

I mean it was pretty awkward. It was on air live.

I just woken up because of the time difference. It was like five am Australia time, so I was a bit you know.

Groggy, Did you guys talk after the radio date? Is the big question on my lips?

So from what I remember, yes, I remember facetiming her maybe or something. It was a long time ago. I'm pretty sure I'll ask her confirmed, but I'm pretty sure we spoke on the phone afterwards that night or a couple of nights later.

That's so funny. I love this. I love the goss before an interview. And why did you guys stop talking?

She just I think from what I remember, I'll ask her she ghosted me from what I remember, and I can't.

I don't remember unfollowed you.

Yeah, I can't remember exactly what happened on something of mine a couple of times.

Yeah, I don't remember exactly. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. She coment to a couple of my photos.

Then, yeah, that's not a good sign. If she unfollowed you and stop talking to you, basically ghosted you. Well, look on that note, I think it's time to have a chat with Chloe. Hey, Chloe, welcome to the show.

Welcome to where you head.

Thank you so much for having me on.

Youally gorgeous. It's so nice to have you on. I feel like there's an elephant in the room that we have to address before the interview, and that is that you and Nat went on a date once upon a time on radio.

Do you remember that? It didn't It was a while ago now, I.

Think it was when to handle first come out. It must have been at least four years ago.

It was twenty twenty, like right before we went into lockdown, like COVID was just so. They were like it was like dating in lockdown, like and that it was a blind date, wasn't it?

If I remember, Yeah, it was a blind date. I can't remember who stot us up.

It was like this radio show here. I remember because it was like so early in the morning because of the time difference.

It was like five a m.

Maybe or something, and I just gotten out of bed and then you were looking like dressed to the nines and I literally just chucked a baseball cap on like usual and just yeah. I was just like and I was like, fuck, I could have done myself up.

Your report, flowers.

So how did the date go? Guys? Tell me everything, because I'm not all over this.

I can't really remember it.

So I wasn't that good then? I didn't.

I was impressed, clearly.

Do you think it went well, Mart?

I'm sorry. I thought it went very well. I was I thought it went very well, but didn't we did we speak afterwards?

I think we exchanged Instagram handles, but I don't know if we went as far as exchanging numbers. We spoke maybe days, Yeah.

We did. We did get phone numbers? Did you not WhatsApps?

So Chloe is forgot? This is actually like, this is a big thing for you because you don't get rejected that of it. This is good to see. I'm loving it. I'm loving it.

Yeah, my heart's melting here. I remember how did like?

So we spoke for a bit and then, if I remember correctly, did you not ghost me and then unfollow me on Instagram?

I probably started seeing someone.

He did the right.

Yeah, when I'm in, I'm in. If you just snatched me up quick and fast, I would have been on following everyone else.

But you, I love it.

I lose, you lose. I guess that's it.

That's it. Well, Chloe, are you dating? Are you in a relationship? What's the status right now?

So I was in a relationship for around six or seven months with this guy from America. Okay, but downhill really fast towards the end. So I'm now actually single?

Oh no, what happened? Oh?

I just we were both very different morally. We had different beliefs, different standards of what expectations for men and women are he yeah, it was very women have this role. Men have this role. This is what you need to wear and do and et cetera.

And I just thought in relationship black and white because I'm suchual a free spirit, and it just felt like I was I was molding myself into someone that I wasn't and taming myself for the pleasure of his family and whatever.

And I just thought, I'm not going to suppress my personality.

I'm wild.

Good for you.

I love to hear that. Yeah, that's not okay. If you're dating someone, they need to accept you for you.

So how did you meet him?

I actually met him on a dating app called Ryah.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've spoken about that before.

So is this guy the first to lib I mean he wasn't an established I mean he was a hockey player, so he was in the sport field. I didn't even know that hockey was a thing until I got to America. And then when I started dating him, it was like, this is amazing. He goes to the gym, he's got like real goals and aspirations for life. And when I met him he was like this hockey player. I was like, oh, this is great. Have my fucking children no more? Hockey guys.

For me, have you found it harder to date or easier to date since being on reality TV?

Oh?

So much harder? Yeah, how so in all the ways that you wouldn't think it would be hard, Like I thought. I heard people give me advice when I first got into the industry and they were like, oh, it's so hard to like date in the industry, and I'm like, yeah, whatever, it's going to be different for me.

I'm going to have people classic.

But to be honest with you, I think because I'm so busy, because I'm always in different countries, because I haven't wanted to settle anywhere just yet, because I'm only twenty four, and because I'm getting asked to do different shows for Netflix or they're dating or their competition shows, I think it's much harder in my mind to want to settle down with someone where I'm so sporadic all the time, like I don't know whether I'm coming or going, And the only time that I get really is with

For to say that to you.

Or well, yeah's His family actually had a conversation with him and said, I just don't think she's the right girl for you because of, for one, her background. I feel like you need to be with a woman who has a more stable family background. Oh my god, yeah, I just think little comments like that was like, Okay, maybe you don't actually love me for me. You just love the Chloe that you thought I was, And that's okay.

I believe that that is like the craziest one of the craziest things I reckon I've heard, Like for someone to even think that that's like an important component of a good relationship just blows my mind.

Did he come from a wealthy, well off family in America?

Yeah, well his family actually made it from nothing, so I feel like he should have had more empathy with my background. But I mean, I mean, ever since he's been born, he's lived in like nice, big houses, his family have stayed together, and now they live in a massive fucking house in Orange County, and it's very different

Guy sounds awful.

One of those preppies you know in the movies, the college movies, who is like the Polos And he's really arrogant, Like that's I have a picture of.

That as well. Yeah, very judgmental, very judgmental.

What are your green flags of dating? Then?

So my green flags when I look at I mean, all all flags are green flags for me, because I'm not all of the red ones.

That's the best answer I have ever heard, and it explains me.

There's no such thing as a red flag.

I do ever spot any red flags. I'm just like, Okay, maybe I can turn it green.

So would you say again, so, would you say that you tend to attract like the quintessential fuck boy?

I wouldn't say anymore. I wouldn't say that I attract the fuck boy. But because I've been from a phase of dating fuck boys, dating guys that don't like me or I don't know, falling into relationships after relationships, and I feel like now I'm at a point in my life where I'm starting to date outside my comfort zone. So I have a type which is like all dark, handsome tattoes, sleeves, like really kind of all streetwear vibe.

It's the devil. You know, the devil you don't.

I guess I know. It's all less and right. I feel like we date and then we just slowly like get more and more wisdom, and then eventually it gets to a point where you're just like, I'm taking no fucking shit, and like, if I see even a glimpse of my ex and you you're out.

That's exactly what. That's the position I'm in right now. I've dated's so much where I'm so wise.

Yeah, about green.

Flags and red flags. There're a point where you get too paranoid about what if. Because I feel like sometimes when I look at a guy that I'm dating, if if he reminds me a slight bit of my ex, and I'm like, and then I start getting in a panic.

Are you dating at the moment, I'm not, No, no, just back at home relaxing with your parents.

Then yeah, yeah, I'm just chilling.

What's an eck for you? I guess in relationships, like, what's something that even if you're just like dating someone that where they'll do something and you're like, ugh, I'm out, Like yug.

If they have long toenails, that's one of my eggs.

It's so gros who has long toenails? Like who lets them get them long?

Just cut them long? Doughtymails.

Yeah. Nah, I would say to this guy and his like pinky toenail was like so long, and I wanted to say cut it, but I was like, maybe he can't cut it because it's like the only one that's long.

It was so gross. It's giving me the ick.

Now just thinking about it.

So you're saying before, if you see like the toxic traits of your ex in one of your new guys you're dating, what would they be Like, what would something be that you'd notice And you're like, nuh, that's it for me.

Well, I've recently just found out new toxic traits, which would be I think, constantly being on the phone to someone when you're out of your friends and having them call you or text you constantly because they're worried about you, worry about your safety. It's like you're not, You're just paranoid that I'm hooking up with someone else, or you want to make sure that I am where I am with who I said I was going to be with.

How is dating sober?

It took a little while to get used to when I first was ober, But to be honest with you, when I first got sober, I wasn't really dating anyone. I just wanted that solid period of time to just kind of get my head right, to improve my life and my mental ability, and just kind of work on my health a little bit. And then when I did start dating, it was it was nice because I didn't have to have a shot in tequila for confidence. I kind of learned how skin.

I used to do that, and I.

To be honest, it would get to a point where I'd go out, I'd have a few drinks and I wouldn't want to sit and talk to him anyway. I'd want to be up dancing, so there wouldn't be any date going on. So me being gives me that clarity straight away do I like this person or not? And it's not cloud in my judgment because after a few two I'm like, do you want to come home with me?

What made you go on this sober journey? Because Anna and myself are doing drivel at the moment. We constantly yeah, we constantly say that we want to like quit alcohol, yeah completely, But I just find in like social environments, I feel a lot at ease like with alcohol, but I'm very respectful. And what's the word admirable that you can actually quit it? Like it's yeah, it's cool.

So it isn't just me the I mean, how do I say this. I haven't stopped drinking because I have willpower. I stopped drinking because I hit rock bottom. I knew I needed help. I knew I had an alcohol problem. And as soon as I admitted that, and I was

Yeah, it's so inspiring, and like Matt and I talk about it all the time and.

Constantly send each other tiktoks and like reels of people talking about like, yeah, their sober journey and how they get the clarity and how their life changes once they've quit drinking. So it's definitely something I want to do. I just got to find that, not wheel power. I saw Tom Holland speak about it and he was saying

Yeah, I mean I was just going to say. The one thing about sobriety and stuff and becoming sober is it's hard at the beginning. At the beginning, you're like this is so weird, like I'm out and I'm not drinking.

Sense, how do you go with drunk people around you when you're sober? Because when I'm sober and I say someone drunk, that actually.

Shoots me to tears as well. So yeah, yeah, I don't know about that. Maybe I drink just to.

You know, just block out everyone else's drunk.

Yeah, drunkness.

I mean I've had partners that drink around me. I've had friends that have been really drunk around me. I mean, if they're really drunk, it really pisces me off. I'm like, you need some water. But if a mum mode kicks in, I'm the designated driver. I'm the one that makes sure everyone's home safe and sound. I'm the one that stops off at a kebab shop or a piece of place on them, you know. So it's nice to feel like I'm the mum of the group.

We don't have to answer this question, but you did mention that there was like a rock bottom. Are you like comfortable talking about that or.

Yeah, definitely, I mean without going into too much detail because that I'll be here for a long time. It kind of progressed. So what you're taught in sobriety is that when you sit down with your sponsor, the person that's teaching you how to be sober dislike they are, they help you kind of analyze your life. So started when I was really young. I was like thirteen fourteen, when I was like going to parks drinking vodka and

Thank you for sharing. It's so powerful just hearing me say it, because I like, I don't talk to or hear a lot of people kind of like tell their story. So thank you so much for sharing. It's very powerful, and it's.

Very powerful that you actually noticed that you were there as well and had the ability to get yourself out and now obviously you're doing a lot better than you were. Then would you say reality TV because you're saying how it all came at the same time, would you say reality TV like affected your mental health at the same time, I mean, I.

Have thought about this. I mean I just think me being nineteen twenty. Yeah, all the tools and all of the support of people around me, but not knowing how to use it. I just my management at the time could have been more efficient. Really. I had quite a few conversations with them about my depression, about my suicidal thoughts and not knowing what purpose I had. It was almost like, You're going to take pictures for Instagram and you're going to do a show every other year, every year,

Yeah.

Have you ever thought about going back and studying to be a midwife or a paramedic?

Yeah? I have, Yeah, I have I'm waiting for my besa to go over to America for a couple of years. So hopefully when I'm out there, I can go to university or college and just study something like I loved learning about people.

You're also only twenty four, Like really the world is your owayster, Like there's you can do it all and it's like so exciting. Do you receive Obviously you mentioned that you do have lots of followers on social media, and we know that what comes with that can sometimes be very negative. What is it like for you receiving like hate? Do you receive hate?

Not?

Really, to be honest with you, I'm quite I'm quite glad. I'm quite grateful. I think Netflix's audience are less toxic than the UK television shows like Love Island. Matt, I don't know if you got any hate going on or coming off of Love Island? Did you?

I was.

I was quite polarizing, so I was like really, like fifty to fifty people didn't quite understand my emotional side and all that. So a lot of like people in Australia see an emotional man cry and they're like, well, what's he crying for? And I got a lot of hate around that and a lot of like bullying.

And stuff like that. But I yeah, I.

Thought it, you know, it's like part of it. I didn't let it get to me that much.

Yeah. The UK love Yeah, the UK love Islands. Yeah. Yeah.

Therefore on when I came off the show, I didn't really get much hate. I was lucky as well, but like there's obviously things that have happened since where it's been like quite full on and I'm like, people are hectic.

Yeah.

When I say, I don't mean so much like people like like you fuck you.

It was just like you're a silk.

They sent me like memes of people crying and stuff like that.

We were having at the time.

We had like really bad bushfires in Australia when the show ended, and I had a lot of messages of people telling me if my plane could fly over so I could put him out.

No, just be like real men cry is what it is.

I respected the creativity of it. I thought that's quite funny.

So I was like, yeah, Savage, I mean, if you can't see a grown man cry and it makes you feel uncomfortable, I think the problems with you totally.

I agree.

I love it. You're you're safe with us.

Hey, when you ghosted me, I did cry.

So you've not forgotten that, have you.

We refreshed it in my memory before and I was like, that's.

Right, that's got a resentment. He resents me.

I don't. It's all fair, it's all fair, like, it's all fair.

Love, fair love, and it's still the one girl that rejected and we can't take it.

For long years, Chloe, for long years.

Oh god.

I did see on your social media because I suffer a lot with uties, and I saw recently you posted something about ut eyes and I was wondering if you could explain it to our audience.

Because we usually spoke about it.

We spoke about it on our podcast because I was like, Chloe has spoken about some sort of cure for ut I's like, what is this, right?

I am literally an advocate for fucking you two eyes. I'm not even joking. Since I was really young, and I got to a point where I thought it was normal, because when you experience something for a length of period of time from like a young age, it's like, Okay, this is obviously just what happens to women, right, And I think we're so caught up in our heads as women. This must be normal. Period cramps are really bad. This

Wow.

And what they do is they give me antibiotics. And I went to America for three months and I had four water infections, four in the space. So I was taking endless amounts of antibiotics. I was ill. I felt really run down. I was tired all the time. My immune system was shot to bits. And when I come home, I said, you know what, enough's enough. I'm going to a private hospital. So I paid this doctor two hundred pounds for a consultation and he said, it's very abnormal

Even just hearing you just like talking about it is so validating to me because I like come on the podcast like every week and I'm like, I've got another uti, another UTI, and it isn't so traumatic it's so painful. It's just like so frustrating. I don't know, like I've done like lots of testing, like I've had a sistoscopy and they were like like everything's normal, and just hearing you talk about it, it's just like very very validating

Yeah, so they said that, So there's certain muscles down there I don't know where, but it couldn't it couldn't clench to a point of when you WI, you we are certain amounts your blood is blood does not fall, but it can still You're in in.

There without you knowing. And they didn't know that until I had heart. Like I had so many tests day after day after day, and I was like, I am not stopping until you know what's wrong with me. Because the scans that I had were like, you're fine. The camera up. My bladdut was like, you're fine, but he struggled to get the camera in my eurefa and he

How is the recovery for that?

Yeah?

I was like, how is it with the pain after.

I couldn't have sex?

Yeah?

Makes sense for like two weeks, which is fine.

Long time.

It stings a tiny bit for like a few days afterwards when you're WI, but other than that, you're fine, Like it's I would go through it a thousand times over part.

Of my ignorance, But wouldn't it just go back to the normal size if all you're doing is blowing it up?

It does, Yeah, it does, So it goes back after six months. I think that's forty it's only forty percent of patients that get this done it actually stays. But the pain that I was in every time I had a uty, I just I was like, listen, I'll try it. If it doesn't work, then I'll just have to get it done again. And if that means once or twice a year getting it blown up again, I will happily

Absolutely, how have you helped your body to recover after all the antibiotics, because that's something that I've kind of been dealing with, like trying to flush out all of the antibiotics and like get good bacteria into my body again.

So have you heard of probiotics? Yeah, you should really be taking them during and after or like every day, just every day. You can get it in liquid form, you can get it in sashets, you can get it in vitamin form, and you can just take it whenever. So it just it restores your good bacteria in your gut. Yeah, oh my god, this one's for you. If you have a ut I and you take antibiotics. Yeah, and you're constantly taking antibiotics, Do you get thrush because of taking I.

Used to, but in more recent times I haven't, but I did. I did see this thing where it says, like to get rid of thrush, you like take a warm bath with apple side of vinegar, like a cup of apple side of vinegar in it, and it like stocks a thrush. A little tip for everyone. Last thing, Caniston cannision is like thrush. So it's like free yease infection.

I've used some of that and it's disgusting. I remember, Oh my god, no too much information. It's like you you syringe it in. Yeah, no one warned. I thought it would just dissolve. Yeah, and put money because on put a little bit of tissue there just in case you know excess. Yeah, and I'm walking around. I was in an airport and oh, what's that? It was a bit weird. I got on the plane. I got on the plane, went in the toilet, pulled my knickers down. I nearly had a heart attack. Mate, there was this

So did the dish discharge the thrush thing and that's what it was.

No, it was a tablet.

So the tablet, the tallet.

And then once it's kind of coated your vagina, it just comes back out.

Wow, medicine is so fascinating.

Every time I come on this podcast, I love it.

I would probably never have known that unless you told me that, to be fair, like, when would that?

Ever?

I don't think you'll be needing.

It's going to come up in my life.

If you have a girlfriend or you're seeing someone and they're like, I think there's this cottage cheasing, You're like, I know what that is.

I've got don't stress.

You've been on too hot to handle, you've been on the circle. What's your favorite show to go on?

So? I went on a show in the UK called Hunted and I love it. It's one of the biggest shows in the UK and basically you kind of go on the run from the police for as it's like a charity. You're raising money to help your cancer or whatever, and you're partnered up with someone and I was partnered up with Vivian, who's a drag queen and she's hilarious. We were on the run for like two weeks. We

How long did you last?

Well, we came second, so we got caught on the day traction. Yeah, and there was like Olympians. That's the team.

So good, so very Yeah impressive, that's very impressive.

It's coming out in Australia again. Yeah, but they get just like people to do it from the public. And I might watch it now after you spoken to you about it. I've always been intrigued. Yeah.

Is this the celebrity edition that you did of this?

Yeah, so they normally do like civilians, Yeah, but they have a special celebrity edition. They they've actually had a couple of seasons. To be fair, it's really good.

It's so fun, really good. I love that. I love it that that's your favorite one because it's like it's almost like all of the other shows are amazing, but like it's kind of like the accomplishment of that show is the thing that makes it like your favorite, which I kind of love.

I think the dating shows at the minute that I reckon, they'll get boring.

Yeah, so I'm like, oh, I want to find well did you realize when you went on Too Hot to Handle that it was going to be as big.

As it was?

Not?

Even the executives, Like I remember one of the executives called me and he was like fuck, And I was like, I know, expecting this, but they were really good to be fair, Like during lockdown and the show first come out, we had like a team of therapists and psychs call us and ask people about okay and stuff. But yeah, it was fun, really fun. Arianna Grande followed.

Me, and then, yeah, it doesn't it.

That's like, are you going to give it to me? I will take it, don't. I don't crack the door because I'll kick it off.

Ariana Madday is your favorite man. Ever, Yes, you need to.

You need to get the message up because I need to know what our conversation looked like.

Okay, you know what I shouldn't admit to that.

Do you have them?

I deleted them?

Oh? Cloe is like, god, yeah, Chloe, what show is next for you?

Oh? How do I say it? There's some internal conversations with Netflix about me that's excitingly doing something with them. So yeah, that's that's what's next. I think. Yeah, I've also been asked to go on a show in the UK that is a dating show, but I can't say what one just share obviously, but when it's out it'll be all over social media.

So so exciting.

Is there any shows then that you want to be on?

Maybe you could answer that like that you've seen in the reality world and you're like, hey, I'd be good at that.

I was thinking, Kim, maybe if I gained a little bit more weight Survivor.

Survivor, Yeah, I want to that would be a great challenge. Do you want to do that?

I want to do naked and afraid?

Naked afraid that's.

Right, my fine feel comfortable getting proper nude?

Yeah, no way, I would hate that. That's like my idea of a living nightmare.

Like the camera crew you're like trying to start a fire and naked, and.

Like I would be so paranoid that bugs would try and call up my jack.

It's true, it happens.

We actually had this conversation because we were talking about I was saying like, maybe like uty eyes were because like everyone has laser hair removal these days. But then we were like, no, but like underwear stops the bacteria. But if you're doing Naked and Afraid and you've had laser hair removal, like you're cooked. Like i'd have beauty eyes like all day every day. It would be hell. You have to get the surgery, probably have.

Before you go on.

You're at the expansion, So you did mention before that you are trying to get a visa to move to. Is it La that you're thinking of moving to.

Yeah, So it's such a long process. Honestly, it's not just as simple as can I come to America, give me a visa. There's so much work that goes into it, Like you need to prove everything about you, and you need to have at least fifteen people write references, statement, you need to be sponsored by a company. It's just crazy. But I'm at the final stages. It should be done in the next couple of weeks and then hopefully we can send it off and get my visa back in

Well, Chloe, thank you so much for coming on our podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure having you. Good luck with your visa and we will be watching with our eyes appeal to see what this Netflix little thing is and everything else that you.

Have and is going to go look into getting that surgery now for a UTR, as I can tell.

Yeah, thank you for talking to me about uts I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Oh my darling, thank you so much for having me on. And I actually didn't realize that I followed you up.

To be fair, look, I'm actually I'm choking. I'm not as I'm not as hung up as I'm putting.

On for.

I love you. Yeah the oh, thank you