The living, loving legend Justin Sayre

Welcome to what we thought would happen is I'm or Kightlinger. We are. And we are so damn lucky to have one of my favorite actor comedian writers. Our. Our, our. That's right. I we're. Going to. He is a playwright. He is an amazing screenwriter. TV writer, comic actor. And right now, he's been touring with a play called Lady Plaid. It took a hatchet and it's based May I say, the Life and Times of of Lizzie Borden, the love life and the fight. And it makes it sound like a lighthearted.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Justin Sayer. Yeah. Just this very. Day. And happy to see you. This is awesome. I. Thanks for coming. No, thanks. And congrats on the show. You brought it to L.A.? Oh, yeah. It's been amazing. And We started it out here in Casita del Campo. the theater that was under a mexican restaurant. It was. Oh, it's closed. Shut up. Yeah. No, it is. Yeah. I don't know. Permanently. We. I had a long talk with a waiter there last week. I mean, you know. But, yeah, they.

They shut it down for fire codes, which. Oh, you have to walk in and look and be like, oh, this is where people die. Yeah. Is it like the Troubadour, which is just a black box. Not there's not even a window in the bathroom. No. Well, it's very underground. And there's one real bossy queen who's in charge of the. Oh, yeah, Mister Dan who I actually. Emergency. Oh, sure. Right, sure. In the Shelley Winters kind of. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Okay, so play really? Is Lizzie Borden?

Yes. It's based on Lizzie Borden. I had a bunch of friends go to Edinburgh, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, and I wanted to write a play for that, so During the pandemic, I'd done, like, nine plays. Wow. Zoom just has, you know, tried to keep myself sane and worked with a lot of people that had worked on a project that I had out here called Ravenswood Manor. So. Oh, yes. Oh, I love that. Amazing. I do. Sorry. That's a blip. I totally remember. It. Oh, yeah, it was great.

Okay. So I was kind of going through. I always I keep a notebook of different ideas and things, and I was like, Oh, I always want to write a Lizzie Borden thing. So I had some stuff. I had been obsessed with Lizzie Borden as a little kid and kind of thought like, Oh, I've got to solve it. I'm going, Ha, I have no idea what I am. and wrote a play kind of using a lot of the stuff from the Lizzie Borden trial, using stuff from her life, exaggerating it, kind of putting a queer spin on it.

And and this is the play that's amazing. Well, like that. you were fascinated with it as a kid. Like you were going to solve the mystery. Like, did she do it or not? Like, I think I got interested in it because I thought, could I do that to my parents? You didn't know it was an option? Yeah. Was an open window. Right? Who is that breaking? You know, break glass about this accent? Yeah. Okay. But describe young Justin. Like, how old were you?

And what was your entry point to discovering Lizzie Borden? And also, Justin, were you mentioned again where you grew up? I grew up. In a little town called 44. Pennsylvania. Yeah. Oh, 40. Four at the Florida. Where is that? In Pennsylvania? It's in northeastern Pennsylvania, near Wilkes-Barre. That's the. Big town. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I grew up in a little town both sets of grandparents were about 5 minutes away from my house.

So I was in touch with them and really kind of spent a lot of time with them. So there was a lot of kind of older influences I knew all forties music as a young person and then I. Guess. You know, wherever everybody kind of rebels in their teenage years and I got into I think kind of murder mystery was that was my rebellion, you know that Agatha Christie kind of like, oh, we're all at a resort, but somebody dies. But don't we look fabulous? That kind of process.

Oh, So, yeah, it was just kind of and true crime and all that kind of stuff. I mean, I find that I am one of those. gals who kind of curls up on a couch on a weekend and watched, I guess I don't mind that. Don't bother. Me. Do to the. Uneducated Lizzie Borden allegedly. Allegedly. Took a hatchet to her parents. Or her her father and her stepmother, their. Mother. And then there both in the bedroom? No. Her father was in the study downstairs and her stepmother was upstairs in a in a spare room.

And it was such a salacious thing at the time that there was a song. Yes. Do you is that in your. Oh, yes, we were. Can I have can we hear a little plastic? Took a hatchet, threw it at her mother, kept it when she'd seen what she had done. She threw it out for a fun day. Yeah. So. Yeah. So we have that in the show. That got. All your hair. Yeah. The crying and things are just in the outside yard or something, right? Am I. Wrong? No. They never found the hatchet. Right.

But like, clothing or anything was outside. There was blood. There was blood on some clothing, possibly, But they rinsed it out or washed it out. Address in front of people, which everybody was like, What are you wearing? Yeah, very curious, very curious situations. was there. One victim she went really to town on. she hatchet wise.

I mean her the way they had kind of put it together is that stepmother had been killed earlier in the day and there had been a series of hours where she'd been dead upstairs. Really? You know. That's a real insult. Right. But the stepmom was really awful to the to the girls. Terrible. It bad, though? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, fuck her. But that's a real insult when you're dead for hours and no one. No, no bad feelings. Yeah, well, but they were in the middle of nowhere, too.

They were in somewhere in Massachusetts. 44. It was. Yeah. So. But by the time she reported the father dead, he was still bleeding. So it was very fresh. And. Yeah. Wow. I remember that. Detail. You have. Well, I made the mistake of looking. You can see the police cameras of the Menendez crime scene is rough, but it's like when kids kill their parents, they really forget. Oh, she carried out a decision. You take like a no, but I like not another of this.

Chris. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, depending on how old you are, like if you're in your teens or 20. And when I was 12 and 18. And my act was 53. Right before L Yeah, like some weird, creepy old men who live with their mothers and then they killed them and they're like, statue. That's that's the worst crime. You think so? Yeah. And listen, like being old and then being murdered. Let me murder me young and gorgeous, right? Already older girls than when I was like, Well, she was about die.

If anyone's listening, Daniel would like to be murdered. Now, I think a ten year window. Sure. Or a murder aid. Like. talking about, the strikes and the celebrities. And we're saying like, you know, it's one thing to be dumb, but don't be mean to. Yeah. Oh. You know, because I think a lot of the child actors, they didn't have, you know, much of an education. They don't have like much of an experience in the real world or in life. Like I'm a child actor.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like but then, they also have, you know, huge egos and it's like, where did you anyway? This is about Leif Garrett again. Oh, no, I. Lovely. No, know it's I guess it's kind of about Drew Barrymore. Oh, that. I thought that was. Was it? Here's the thing. Okay, so what you just said, someone like her is her whole life is a bubble, like it or not? Oh, yeah. First of all, she's a child star. But the first movie she's in is if we're going to be forever famous. Mm.

Right. Yeah. So she sort of endeared into the culture. Yeah. Thusly. She doesn't understand the plight of any poor person. And she probably was trying to when she was trying to get the crew back to work. The best thing is the strike was resolved like, two days later, right? Yeah. So you're on strike? Oh, sure I'm on. strike. I stand in solidarity with everybody. It must be nice because you're in New York must be like a better strike line. Must be cooler than it is out here.

Get the assholes out here. Coffee and, you know, just bagels and. Really? Oh, okay. It's very simple. Yeah. You've lived in L.A.? Yeah, I lived in L.A. for about seven years. Yeah, but you seem very East Coast. You're, like, going. Oh, I like L.A. when you're here to work. Yeah, there's no other reason to. I think that was what was driving me when. When we went into COVID times, I went Gray Gardens real long with the cats. Have you seen the Gray Gardens lately? Like I've seen it.

You know, like the house. The Gray Gardens house. Yeah. I'm like, Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've heard. It's beautiful. Yeah, they've redone. Oh, wow. That's very like home and gardens. Mm. You know, The Addams Family. But I have to ask Justin, did you come out here for You came out here for writing Job, is that right? Higher on. Can I. Yes, please. Broker Look, he's still he's still shook. Is. That were you met or is that. Yes, Yes.

And we worked with a person at two broke girls who has become a tyrant, to say the least. And will you tell us your experience, Justin? So I I've never written on a sitcom before. Uh, I had a video from one of my shows at Joe's Pub at the public had gone viral and He who can't be named saw the video and called Bridget Everett, who was who I knew through there and said, Have you ever thought about writing for a sitcom? And I was like, Oh, okay, yeah, sure.

I don't even think I had ever written a pilot. I had sketches that I had written in my show that I had. Like I could write a scene that was sort of about I think I remember sending a sketch where Nancy Reagan, a very decrepit Nancy Reagan, came into Mitt Romney's house and beat up his wife for letting her down. Ha ha. That's a great said. I love taking back the White House bathroom. Key's disappointed, so I came out to L.A. while I was writing on this show. I had I really didn't know anything.

I didn't I didn't even know, like, oh, blue pages. I mean, they're new, you know? I had no idea. What was that like really fast. So, you know, if you were, like, going into a job like that, how did you feel? Like I can do this? And I. I had no idea. I really had no idea. I went I was like, okay, this is the opportunity. I would take home these huge Bible scripts and every night and like, just read them and be like, Oh, okay, this is what's happening to kind of like figure things out.

I very quickly knew that, especially on that set, your job was to pitch jokes all night, especially on film night, because we would rewrite scenes all night. Those tapings were six six and a half hours. I know I felt I felt bad for the actors. When you're like you said, your pitch, your job is to be pitching jokes. Do you come in ready? Are you really just like, I'll just do it on the spot? I would do half an hour. Yeah. Go through and like, really write like, oh, here's a possible.

The other thing to and this was something that I can say now because it's over. Like I remember getting the job and going to New York and people were like, That show was fucking racist. Oh no. Oh yeah. Why rock. Casting or. No, Just like certain jokes that were played up. Yeah. Yeah. The Asian guy who can't speak English and the. I never watch that show, so. Oh, no, you know what? I never did either. But people. Don't get. To and. Yeah. Going every once in a while for it.

Yeah. Yeah. But what friends was fucking racist. Oh sure. Yeah. Everything right. But I kind of went out and I didn't really say this. Probably my first or second season because I was like, if there was anything I really thought was like, Oh, that's off color. I'm going to. I'm going to pitch against it. Always. Yeah. Oh, that's what I did with rape jokes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Just kind of. Pick your battles and you're like, Oh, that's too far.

Okay. and I'd mentioned this on another podcast actually that then the person that we worked with would come over to me, go, okay, I know you don't like rape jokes, what do you have? And it was kind of like, Oh, yeah, that's my that's me. That's my quirk. You know, like I'm allergic to, you know, onions or something. I know you don't like my. Daughter own pizza that hasn't been sexually. Assaulted. Yeah, but anyway, we. I'm sorry.

Just when you go on and say the what happened with your script, your. Oh, yeah. My so my first script. I was pitching constantly because I didn't know the rules of like, oh, you're just brand new. Nobody cares what you think. You just really listen. I just was like, pitch in all the time because I thought that's what were paying you for, bringing these free lunches. And every day I got to do something. So I think you. You were just supposed to be absorbing. I think more so than I did.

But then this person came in and fired all the new writers except me on one day because they got a speeding ticket on the way to work, and it pushed them over the edge. They fired. Everybody. And were you in the room when that happened? No. I was getting text messages from all the writers as they were going down the list. Like, I just got fired. I just got fired. I just got fired. And so I drove in and I was taken into the office and told that I was not fired, but that the assistants hated me.

Oh, what? And that I should make up with them because, you know. Something similar happened to me. I was at a party and Wash U University, and my friend goes, We just spiked your drink with ecstasy. I went, Why is your and all my friends think you're a dead? What a great time. That's awful. Happened in 15 seconds and this was 2007. For some reason it dose it being dose wasn't really on my radar as being like a total cry. Now you're like, Oh, all right.

Well, first I was like a little game until I found out everybody hated me. I was like, Well, now I should just. Whoever who met whomever says things like that is the one that's hated. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. But see, all of that was probably, you know, smart people do drugs. Um, okay, so I keep interrupting. The. Interview at you. I was like, smart people. You were the last person standing. Yeah, I was the last. I was the boy who left.

And I was nicer to the assistants, which I didn't know I had an accident, but I was like, okay, whenever everybody needs. Mm hmm. and then my first script, he came in and threw it at me physically. Physically threw. This is. Typed. Not written. Yeah. I mean, not handwritten. No. As in, it wasn't even good enough to be called. Really. It was. Excised. I've got it now. I had. A read I Oh. Like I believe me at that time. it was terrible.

And then the really like the final straw like, oh I don't know that. I got hired to do this I had stills, I signed a contract at Joe's Pub for a monthly show and I had had that residency and like really worked hard for that residency in New York for a year. So I was like, okay, my show Sunday night, I'll fly to New York, Friday night, I'll get a red. I come out Monday morning, I'll be at work at 930 in the morning. And I did that every month. Wow. for the first few months.

That that's kind of. Fun, though. That is kind of right. Oh yeah. It was like, great. I was like, oh, I'm going to, you know, being driven to the Warner Brothers set every night was great. And then one morning, my flight was delayed or something. It was just like something terrible. And I was just I was just going to be late. And I came in and I you know, and I had been texting everybody the night before. It wasn't like unknown, but I had been texting everybody.

And I walked in and and they had had a really terrible table read, which I had missed. Yeah. And were doing this again. Yes. It threw the script down and he goes, No more. You are in New York, you work here, your job is here and screened. And I was like, you know, 3 hours of sleep. I was ready to write jokes. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Oh, just screams at me. And, the thing about him that I began to learn is that, like, unlike, I think other tyrants of which he was one,

he was embarrassed by doing. Yes. Oh, really? I always felt like he was a little embarrassed because he would explode and he would say something awful. Yes. And then he would see our faces go. Always. Mm hmm. And then he would have to leave the room. Yes. I think that's part of the psychosis. The fucking people like that. I mean, I've never met this person, so I can't recall. But that's part of it is like their weird cycle of abuse, right? Oh, yeah. I don't know if I could say this.

Did you ever see the hair thing. He used to? Oh, no, that's the thing. What? He was eating his eyebrows. Yes, that's the only eyebrows I'm looking at where they're eyelashes. Now you just say it. When he was, especially when things weren't going well. In. Oh, my God. You know, I saw I, you know, on SNL when me and like 12 guys were all there, you know, anything that we had that was funny. We had already said it at 6 p.m., but we were there until, you know, midnight or one.

And I saw take the skin off the bottom of his feet and eat it. Shut the. Fuck up. Yes. Was there like a charcuterie? I don't know. No, I was just like, that's not okay. I'm just the bottom of this fur or wherever. Wherever there was skin on his. Yeah, I guess maybe his heel or whatever. He would take off a piece and chew on it. And anybody say something that's foul. I mean, I mean the feed licking, I'm not like feed kink is sexy. Like, but not your own.

Not your own. And not. You. And this probably under, like, fluorescent lighting, right? Like. Oh, man, the whole thing, it was just all of it was a nightmare. Damage. Are we doing to each other okay? Yeah, that seems like an option. Yeah. But is that worth that price? You know? Hey, let's bring the comedy back to comedy and not have so many mean assholes involved is wrong. Go to low mania. You want to read that word trichotillomania? Try to. Crack. Yeah, I think so.

Crack racket, though I. I'm surprised that you saw that. That glimpse of that. Yeah. You know, it's hard because he did give. Me a huge. Opportunity and I'm I'm forever grateful for that. I don't know. Like, he also gave me my first ulcer. Oh, my God. Really? Probably right. I have panic dreams about, like, I just have dreams of him walking into my house and being like, Oh. No, more like, you know. I feel like there's an abuse lawsuit here, you know, just from so many people.

It's so far. It's so crazy. Yeah. I mean, I feel like because, you know, I'm a mean man, too. I don't know, because, I mean, he actually one time when we were on set, actually physically moved me out of the way and, and then I was like, yeah, but then I was like, since I'm on a time delay anyway in life and I that I think like by the time I get mad about something the moments gone. Yeah. I honestly do think I'm on the time delay. Yeah. And the brain aneurysm didn't help. Justin together.

I tell you in the car, I had a brain aneurysm. Okay, so I don't need to go into it again. I forgot. Hang on. I broke my back. Okay, Just a really fast about the aneurysm. Okay. Oh, no, I don't. I'm sick of talking about it. I'm so bored. Huh? How are you feeling? I'm fine. said, you know, second chance at life was really wasted on me just because everyone was like, you know, people don't recover from that so quickly. And there was actually this nurse that was crying cause I was fine.

Like, right after brain surgery. Yeah, it was weird. And every morning, people, you know, the the interns came in and they'd asked me the same thing because this happened to 2020. They'd say, What's your name? And I'd say, My name and Why are you here? And I said, You know, I've had a brain aneurysm. And then they'd say, who's the president? And I'd say, Oh, fuck, because it was. Trump. Yeah. So then, anyway, it was just crazy. But I took that as the answer. Ha! I know. God, what a monster.

Oh, you're so cute. That's right. You know, And the finger. Justin and is partner went to Disney World, and she'd never been. She'd never been. She totally freaked out. And over things that you didn't like. I thought that would be, you know, freak out of a like, Yeah, I thought there was be certain things that she would really enjoy and then other things that would be enjoyable to me if you know. Yeah, yeah. So that might make too much noise. I'm trying to think. Do you think?

I don't know. Do you think so? Oh, no, I just. Oh, gosh. You'll have to bring one back to morning, please. Okay. So you went to Disneyland? We went to Disneyland. It was amazing. Thank you. Uh, it was a Halloween time, like it. It was. It was very Halloween time, Which means there's, like, a lot of goth girls wearing jack skeletons. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Um. But, yeah, my partner really just freaked out. We got off of, it's a small world, and she went. Why don't we talk about that?

Oh, that's great. It could heal the world, though. It. It really. I really. I feel like I might have to go. I've been here. I've been here 20 years. Maybe I should go. Oh. What's yours? I don't know. It seems like an ordeal to me. Are you fucking kidding? It is. And everyone has a meltdown. Waiting in line. I mean, we didn't see that was this shop. Maybe we went on. We went on a Tuesday. So. Yeah. there. Would you bring these there a couple of months ago. Uh huh.

And like, I liked it, but all it does is make me want to go with adults instead in the high shit. Oh, like psychedelic. We, I live in town. We did go to Toontown. We went to. I mean, we did it all. We did it all. We're running around like maniacs until midnight. Wow. You were that. You did the nice thing. We went there all day long. And she. Couldn't get enough. Did you see the daytime parade? Oh, we saw it. We really saw everything.

You're like I, She said, Oh, I don't know if I want to meet the characters because, you know, they're characters walking around every day. Yeah, I don't mind. You know, That's so funny. You don't want Minnie to be a cunt, right? You know, you have this vision of her and what she's like, and then. The. Minnie Mouse. I hope to kind of get. To be like, Surely you'll let the guard down. Yeah. Yeah. Like a 19 year old intern. And that's just. No, I. You know, I don't. They really, really don't.

So we went into, there was like a meet the Princess kind of like photo opportunity. Uh huh. And I took her in and she, she was like, this is actually my nightmare. I can't believe you're doing this. And we went in and here are these like just 20 something year old beautiful young girls held hostage. Oh, Princess isn't even like they're told on Stockholm syndrome. Oh, well, they're out there like she's. Oh, I was Sleeping Beauty and that I like naps. You were like. Oh, morning. What? What

was. So I had lipstick on her teeth and I was like, Oh, she's breaking. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. And my partner was just like, That was the most harrowing part of this whole adventure. I was like. There you. Go. Is Donald Duck a part of it? I'd like him to be drunk. Donald Drunk? Donald Trump No, Donald Duck, though. Is he part of the whole Disney thing? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Iowa. Oh, Daisy Duck has an entourage and the crowd around her, everyone's like, Oh, Daisy, Daisy.

And she doesn't even stop. She just waves. Oh. Very Cher. Very. Is there Huey, Louie and Dewey. Also. Depending on the day, I'm not all right. I don't know. saw a lot of princesses That seems to there's. Too many princesses. Mm. Mulan, okay. And we saw Tiana and we love and then we saw the three trapped. So I watched the trap door. Yeah. Oh, okay. And then somehow we got in a conversation. I've once gone on a date with somebody. I got on the second date with somebody who had played Peter Pan.

Oh. At the Florida park. The only reason that got the second date was because they dropped. They were Peter Pan. And I was like. All right, can I tell you? Oh. Man, I watch. I want to be on like a theatrical harness and fly, like, big time, like Voyager for you. Oh. I think you could, no matter what. Yeah. Just be on a harness at home. No, I have. Okay. I'm sorry if this plays. Oh, I want to be on like. I like Peter Pan. I was in a harness. I was in a harness on Mr.

Show. I was hanging from the ceiling. I was step fairy godmother. You were? Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. I was up there long time. No. Would you have people, like, bringing food? Nope. But it was really fun to go. You know, I was a fairy godmother. That was fun. I'm sure you can know. I know, I know. I know. I'm a very grounded person. Yeah. I want to know. I like Halloween, Disney. We're going to go do it just because it's spooky.

But me, adults, if people treated it like there's Disney adults and then there's like people who are Disney adults who think they can get away with it because of being scary. Show time. Yeah, I don't know. Wearing your. You're doing a lot of disclaiming about how you're going to be Minnie and Mickey Mouse this year I think what's what are these things There's damn Oh those are. Cute Halloween stuff. From you're going to be your couple costume is Minnie and Mickey but.

No no we did a couples costume last year, which is the first time I've ever done it. And we were. They. That was great. Your costume that you sent me. To make them go in there. Oh, great. That's great, Hugh. So this year is the John Waters theme. Oh, did you see the exhibit? No, not yet. I went to the right. Yes, you. Are. I want to go because. Okay, so I'm Margaret Cho is friends with them. Oh, my. God. So she's on his Christmas card. Oh. Last year she gave it to me as a gift.

She reviewed it, which is great, he gave all of his friends. It's an inflatable John Waters. Would you blow him up a little bit? I would take him out of bed. That is so cool. Oh, is that cool? So I want to go to the exhibit, I think I want to be Debbie Harry from Hairspray. But when she has the bomb in the way. Oh. Oh, I love that. I have to get like, a like a marie Antoinette wig. Yeah, I'm going to put a clock in it. That'll be gorgeous. Do you do, Holly? And I love how.

I Don't I have done it before? But We were going to do it. couples costume. A big easy a little. Oh, sure. That'd be awesome. Here. And she'll be back in New York, so. Oh. For next year, bikinis. Totally my favorite. Oh she's. Right. Mhm. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We should do that. Sure. Edie. And I'm big. Oh I would love it. Of course whenever I'm outside like taking out the trash in my bathrobe, Garrett will say call me, I'll call me Big Edie or he'll say, Is there someone I

can call? He says that to me. Is there someone I can call? No. We did this watch, isn't it? Drew Barrymore? Speaking of. She plays little Gilly in the movie. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And who's the mom? She's really good. Jessica. Yeah. Yeah, really? Like, he's the house now. Yeah. Too much. Mm hmm. Have you ever met Jessica? I have. Is she? I'm sure she's lovely. She's lovely. She's lovely. I smiled at her. I really got into a kind of it was one of those random things of, like, New York. Mm hmm.

I live here in Washington Square Park, and I said, How's your day? And we had a whole. Uh. Oh, cool. So informal, so lovely. Just like, Oh. I remember because we were just I was in New York City a couple of days ago, and it had been a million years. I flashback to the first famous person I ever saw, I think in life was in New York. I said the Ziegfeld was fucking Lauren Bacall. Wow. You have a. Picture of her. But just before I snapped of her as I did it, my fucking closeted ass, I go.

Miss Bacall. And out of myself. And I have a photo for New York. How amazing. I'm glad you didn't call her Betty. No, haha My acting teacher from years ago was very good friends with Jason Robards. Yeah. Oh, he's incredible. We're married and He saw Betty and Jason on the street and Betty kept walking and Jason stop to talk to my acting teacher. And Jason. Robert's called down the street. Betty, Betty, wait. Come here. And she came back and she. Slapped him in the words.

And she said. Don't you ever yell my name. Are you serious? Yes. Oh, my God. Because her real name is Betty Persky. Persky, Right. My favorite thing is that what is worse is having your name called out versus slapping someone in public and that being the. Well, right. Like the lady had Stan. Yeah, I'll slap. A man in public, but I won't have him call me by my thoughts. Oh, I'll. Be that level. Of her. Some say we all get there. So like, I don't know.

I always just assume people who are like, performers are really into how me I am. Laura's not yeah. I don't know. I wound up doing this thing. I got older than 12. Look how good these. Know they do look, guy. They got on. Now, wait a second. So just. And I want to find out. So next show will be when this podcast airs. So everybody get ready Yes. will you just give the details Just so we know? Yes. So we're at the LGBT Center in Hollywood.

1125 North McCadden place. Hmm. You can get tickets on the L.A. LGBT website and we're there Friday and Saturday at 8:00 and Sunday and Monday at 7:00. And then we're done and then yeah, just lots of new stuff coming up. I'm actually we're speaking of John Waters. And so during the pandemic, I wrote a whole bunch of plays and the last one that I wrote was a sequel to the Now Got what? That was. Amazing. Amazing. So I wrote a I wrote a sequel to Female Trouble called Hot Flash.

I mean, because in Female and Cookie Mueller's character and Sarah, can chatter and chick lit. So yeah. So I was like, whoa, that's the star. Lit is the one. Oh oh. So, so I wrote this story about that and chick lit it. Still she had taken and thief and you know. Huh And chick lit gets picked up by the cops and has a parole officer named Merv Sarcastic. And Merv is infamous for kind of plotting the downfalls of all her parole. She gets them put back in jail, and her worst charges are incredible.

So it ends up becoming this kind of Wizard of Oz thing where Merv chases them across the country trying to get away as chick lit and had to get away. But we did it and it was really fun. We did very dry, you know, we did it. We did it online. And then we did it live in New York one time. And Drew Droga and Sam Pancake played chick. I think. Oh, they're great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So funny.

And when I was kind of going back through scripts, I was like, Oh, this would actually really be a great musical. So I'm working with the guy. Carl, who wrote the music for Dicks Cheese. Incredible Hot Flash to me. Has does John Waters have any idea? I. I know people who know him. It's one of those things where, like, I know enough people that know him. like a call away ever. Like he's like pope. I'm so nervous to meet him. Like Ray Bradbury has Fall of the House of Usher, too.

Yeah. Which is a very bizarre rando. But in the tapestry of that story and those like that literary category, it fits. Oh, absolute, totally fit. And it's very reverent and very like so deeply love John Waters. Mm hmm. And like, love the kind of irreverence. And he is a huge influence on my work. Like he's been on everything, including lady. Like, thought it was in polyester, which he does both about. Children, about. So that's in my shoe.

I put it in my show is like a quote to John because I just love it. But that was that's that was your quote, not his. Yeah, it just. Sounded. Like. The movie. And I was like, Oh, it's not in there. That's a great. Never her going my children I parents. Oh it's amazing. Love him so deeply so like it all out of love And if he told me tomorrow don't do it, I wouldn't do it. I think he would. I think he'd get such a kick out of that. It's really fun. And it it is a total homage to him.

And like, we really try to make every reference and like, really make it really fun. One of the best scenes and one of the weirdest thing that keeps popping up is so we did it on stage and I had written this section where chuckling and Kamchatka can't get to Philadelphia, so they get on what is known as the perv bus. A. Ladies ride for free. You got to be perfect. Okay, that's. Great. Just sitting there like she gets kind of into it and tell like, this is crazy and fucking burbs.

And to do this one section, we bought those truck nuts, you know, those testicles. That guy got for. Sure. Because we wanted somebody to stand up and be like, Yeah. So for some reason I got stuck with the prop truck nuts. Oh, fantastic. They like, they just pop up randomly in my house all the time. My partner was like. What the fuck are these? Yeah. And I was like, Oh, it's a prop first. So she's like, get rid of them. Get rid. Of them. I'm working on the Blob. This new it, but they're nuts.

Uh, kiss. Them as you come. In the door. But yeah, we had to finally just kind of dismiss them into someone else's hands. All that stuff on. And they could all. They could also be like Holly, You could hold them up and kiss somebody. Yeah. Yeah. That's your. Decision. Oh, that's. Amazing. I saw him live when he performs. I guess this time I was right. And it was when he says, Oh, chicken's make good soup, right? He's just brilliant, being generous.

And we both were the only two who were like, Oh, like theater clapping and of other people. And like, 24 hours later, Ralphie has I should tattooed huge. Oh, ha. With a big ol soupy chicken. Because George has these pivotal one liners. He just has this way of, like, really being succinct and bizarre and eloquently all at the same time. Oh, absolutely. But I before I met my girlfriend, he every Christmas, instead of doing anything, he would show female trouble.

That was like I was the Christmas tree that was there. Well, now you guys are going to have to see hot flashes. I love that. Look how annoying it is. It Hot flashes are just hot flash. It's hot flash. The shit kicking adventures of chick lit and mirrors. And that's really like of flash. What was that? We just that we googled where died and it was a away from where we were. Oh. Oh. Is there a divine like, uh, kind of a celebration every year or anything for Divine? She doesn't have a star.

I'm kind of surprised. He just got hit by it. But I think there maybe you need to do a divine day. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, even like we went to so we went to see the exhibit, danced downtown, and it was like. I mean, it was. It was beautiful and it was really interesting and like, there's something so magical about all those original people because it was just a bunch of kids. Yeah. Movies. And. And then you look at the costumes and you think like, especially the divine costumes.

I was like, Oh my God, like shoes in that. Yeah. Mythical creature, right? Yeah. I love shit like that. We just went to the Rock Roll Hall of Fame. We got to go. Not me, but Margaret got us access to the vault. Oh, wow. I think I type of a Dolly Parton rhinestone saxophone, but with her, like, glitter pink lipstick on Stevie Nicks. It was like a suede velvet. Like almost blue, like Laura shirt. Fucking shock. Oh, huge, right?

Yeah. and all of that for some reason, like the Lucy Museum, right where there was the polka dot dress and like, she was in NA. It's really hard for me to wrap my head around, but I'm such a fag for that. Oh, absolutely. Like, I mean, that was it. Haunted garments. Oh. Ha ha. Like, you look at how, like, amazing they were and like, my partner went in and, and does not have that. John Waters references and saw the Tracy turn black dress from the end of hairspray. Oh yeah.

She's like oh that's the Alaska dress. And I was like, No. Ha ha ha ha ha. No, no, no, no, no. just. And you, by the way, are one of the most prolific people I think I've ever met. You also your book, Husky. Yeah. should find out where to get that, too, because we get. Them on Amazon. Yeah. And then I had a book come out last year. Oh, you did? You're amazing. What was it? It's called From A to Z. Amazing.

I kept getting all these messages on like Instagram or whatever of young gay people being like, We don't know. Oh, really? Huh? So I started doing a show called the Gay Pieces where I would like, walk you through gay culture and be like, Here's something you should know. That's so smart. That's really clever. Something you were surprised that people didn't. like there's like certain people that I think folks don't know.

Like Frank Kameny. He was. But struggle was the first one of the first out people to sue the U.S. government for losing his job. And they was being involved in the Mattachine Society. You do real action? I do real good. I was in Dora. Ha ha. Ha. Right. Yeah. You know, I also I do those people, but I also do here you should see this clip of Cher doing all the parts in West Side Story. Ha ha. Ha ha. Did you read that? I was just talking about that. So, like a mixture of high and low.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Cher does every. Every single. Thing. Really? Yeah. That's incredible. Panama. I don't know whose idea was her dream? Ha ha. 1870. Amazing. I don't know if it's the Quaaludes. I mean, Cher needs to play all the parts, and she does. Wow. Boy, she's in boy drag. It's amazing. So it was a lot of that. And then that came out last May. And we've been doing that. I just actually went to a panel in Palm Springs like a writer. Oh, cool. To talk about it.

And I have to tell you this because this is me feeling old, So this is this panel. We're all talking about gay history because I'm like, I, I Am I right? Yeah. There's this wonderful woman who's like 70. Mhm. She was like, organizing Chicano lesbians in L.A. in the 1880s. Oh, wow. She just wrote this memoir. There's this young non-binary person who is working in San Francisco and this like archive of this out queer literary conference that happened in the eighties.

There's me who wrote my little book and then there's these two guys, these two gay it's who like paint pictures and make jokes. Ha ha. And we're all like being like, try to be scholars or whatever. They're like, Where'd you get it? Ha ha. Ha. I quote them almost exactly. They were like, We're just pretty. Yeah, that's the thing. Wow. And I was like, Oh, they've won the day. Yeah. Cause I'm sitting up here being like, Let's cry. Let's. Let's be like, No, I'm. Well, why were they on the panel?

Had they written anything? No, they had a book out. Oh, okay. A book. Oh. And the book is okay. But that don't you find maybe it's just generationally speaking, not just only gay men, but like it's cute to be, like, uninformed. Oh, apparently. Oh, I mean, I feel like even, like, standups it's rare someone has material, you know? Is that I do groundwork. You don't have to have jokes. The audience is supposed to say something. Wow. That's the whole that's popular right now. Yeah, I agree.

Especially with gay people. They're like, they're liberated. It's fine. Especially, you know what I mean? Like, the fight still goes on in places. You. Are. You don't have to. Know at all. I want it to be real smart. That was the whole. Yeah, but they wanted. To be Stonewall. Was that a general was a Stonewall Jackson. But the code of. It. Oh, God. Right. There's the wink wink. Because someone actually said this, They were like, in the old days, you knew someone was gay. If they knew a Margaret

Cho joke, right? Oh, sure. Or same thing. If they were into. There were certain signals. Hmm. And I feel like those things are what I am hooked to as part of history, even though it was like the club. And what about Cruisin? That is all that move. I know that, but that remember, there was the different bandana that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe George Michael was sort of instrumental in getting the law changed about like it was entrapment and went undercover.

Oh. Wink at someone and then lure them into a back room or public place for like a sexual public. And because that's actually part of our culture that has had to exist because we were deemed illegal. And it goes on, Oh, that's called entrapment. You can't lure someone. Even if you're their father figure he and. Yeah, exactly. Love referring to gay culture as like bathroom sex. Like, it's like, oh, my grandmother's culture was making parole. Getting off the shtetl. Ha ha ha. Is blowing three guys

at a bath. Oh. I was. Yeah. That was. that was how gay people came here. Right. And Ellis Island, it was just a big bathroom that was on a. Ship through the name of different. Names. And the names were on the bathroom wall, right? That's right. And Ellis Island. That was where she was. Did you notice? I thought you would notice this. I did. I cut something that just in. I'm always cutting my I'm a cutter, but I do it very slowly. I'm going to die very slowly. No, I'm just kind of absent minded.

So if I'm cutting anything, I always cut one of my fingers. I don't know. Oh, this was from cutting tissue in wrapping paper because it scared my mom's birthday. And I was like, I made something last week. Laura fished some Goldberg thing out of the garbage and came out with a fucking fully lacerated fingers. Just wait. I threw it away, but I'll get it for you. Because of the cans of cat food or something. But it's okay to be absent minded if you're a comic.

I mean, kind of like you don't wanna be a surgeon who's absent minded. What did I do with that clamp so I can get it right? I guess you might. These two. Anyway, it doesn't have protective. I know. Those are adorable. I think I might put them on. I think this is what I was like with a cigaret. If you think I'm just. Yeah, well, did you ever smoke? Doesn't I? still have the affectation. Don't give me a pen if you don't want it. It. I love it. I don't know what it is. It's like this but I. Yeah.

I'm into that too. Oh yeah. Just the, the gesturing of an eye. Very. Desmarais Smoke. No. Oh that's great. Now it's nice. It's nice. She's very healthy. I know. I'm so glad. You know, the last time I saw you, had been with somebody. You were in a breakup and you were like, you've had it with L.A. and you. And you had this cool apartment, but you're leaving everything. And I guess it was like, right before the pandemic. Yeah, So things are so much better, and I am so happy because you deserve it.

You're brilliant. I'm so damn glad things have turned around. sometimes you, I kind of felt bad about, like, leaving. You get into that mindset of like, Oh, if you're not here at this minute, it's all going to go away. Right? Bye. But when you start making decisions for yourself a little bit. Yes. And and L.A. is purgatory. So if you get out of here, things will be much better. it's awful being here. Yeah, I love it, though, but I hate it. I know.

I was telling it like I've gotten to a point where and nobody's going to unless there are people that, you know, are 45 and up aren't going to get this reference. But I said to Garrett, It's kind of like Midnight Cowboy, and I'm Ratso Rizzo because he's he's much younger and he's, you know, Jon Voight, he's got to get me to Ireland even if I die and shit, my pants on the train are on the plane. I just need to get out of here. Call Ireland. You really mean. I know. I mean, I just

I know the house is pretty. That here. And then the area is nice, but just like to not leave here is bad. You need to get out. Yeah. You have a final island. What's your like a final or like, you know, you've made it. What's your escape like? Mine is either Iceland or like, Hawaii. I love island. Mine too. Nice. I think I've become very kind of like I'd want a house in the woods. Oh, yeah. I want a house in the woods.

I want a dog and like, coffee and going out to a little shed where I type my little, you know, everything. So I think, Yeah, I'd like to maybe go to Vermont. Mm hmm. Somewhere like Italy. Oh, yeah. Like a little. Like. Yeah, Well, yeah. A little shared. Love. Yeah. You know. But you've always been a writer. I mean, you do hear performers. Well, yeah, you have. You, like, when did you cultivate your own, like, writing culture. As a person? Well, I, so I was an actor first.

And is an amazing performer. I saw I saw Justin at the cab at Beth's show and it was fantastic. Oh, great. How was it? Oh yeah, yeah. Haha what the hell? You never know. Okay, we'll talk about that. Oh no you don't. You do every. Time. Oh, I see. I do very well there. I have for some reason I don't know why, but I just know how to pick it up and. Go yeah I've, you know.

Yeah. I've always said well other places I am Bob, but I was an actor for a long time in New York and then I had like three auditions, which were kind of like change the game show or like my first lead, an off-Broadway show or I was going to be in. I think it was the importance of being EARNEST with like, Lynn Redgrave. Wow, wow, wow. Yeah. I was in my final, final callbacks were all three. Mm. And I didn't get anything. Uh. It was like six. I was like, This is a job.

I've worked a job trying to get this job. It didn't. Get. So I was really I was just heartbroken about it. And I went up to a radical fairy retreat in the woods. Oh. Wow. Fairy camp. Yeah, I. No, I have friends that do that. Oh, yeah. I went upstate. Oh, it's way up in Vermont. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. His name is George. Oh, okay. So I went up and I was, like, just distraught, and I thought I wanted to be an actor. I wanted to do all these things, and it's not going to work.

So I think of something else to do. And the first weekend I was up there, I came up with the idea for my show, the meeting, which was a comedy variety show that I did in New York, and I thought, Oh, I could write that. It's just like a couple of jokes, just things. And then that really kind of led into everything else. Like it was just like I started writing sketches for that and I started writing them longer form and then plays and books and television. So it all just kind of came out of that.

And now would I like better? It's interesting, especially doing kind of like Lottie because I I'm in the show as well. Oh, great. I think most people, when you think like, oh, you wrote a show, you're like, put yourself in the lead. Mm Yeah. And I did. I played the wicked stepmother. Amazing. I have great jokes. I have the least amount to memorize. Ha ha. I nailed it. I like. Fantastic. People don't realize that's the job. You what? Exactly? That's so good.

Oh, here's three monologues now, and then the ten. Great jokes, and I'm out next, everybody. That's a great way to do it. I had this. Oh, I had Someone told me that Cecil B Donnell was like my spirit person or whatever. And I looked him up and he is, you probably was a pedophile, but he used to write on a yacht and and this is in the 1930s, and he'd have parties on these yachts with real young women and whatever.

But he used to write, I mean, before he would direct stuff, I guess he wrote and directed but I just thought, man, that's what I would like to do. Like I'm just saying, being in the woods, I'd like to be able to write on a boat. Yeah, yeah. And just be like, don't worry, I'll be on the boat later. Yeah, yeah. It's not. So I think that's like temperament wise, it actually worked out because as a, just an, an actor, I was always really frustrated. Like the camera doesn't like that. Mm.

Yeah. Like you had that mindset of you're looking in a bigger picture as an actor. I was always like that and that was probably annoying. Yeah. So as a writer I can do all that and then put myself in it. So that's I always come back to that you know, when people say, you know, this person would never ask for anything, that's not me, I always ask, I'm a pain in the ass and a bag.

Everybody for shit, for jobs where But when I come back to writing for myself and just say, okay, no one's helping me, no one will help me, I have to write myself out of this that I always come back to that We have. I mean, that's the thing. It's once, you know, like I'm working on two projects while I'm here and I, I printed out pages and, and I looked at them and they were like, just garbage. You. Know, I didn't really think of like, this is tight. Not really.

Oh, he's wrong about everything else. I might be right now. Yeah, you know, but it is the thing of like when you do it and when you know you've done it, the practice of like, Oh, I can do it again. Hmm. Take a little longer. It's going to. But like, you can do it again. Yeah. Build up that stamina of like, Oh I, Yeah. Okay. And it's the only way to not be edited and have somebody else's stink on whatever you're doing to just do it yourself. And by the way, don't the written type not read that.

It's the same person who said to the hair and makeup person about that there's want you to make her hair a star right now. It's not a star. Hmm. Her hair. Crazy. Crazy. This is more people. It's so it's just shallow and just God almighty. Then it's like this weird authority figure work in a restaurant. No, no one. I feel like. Oh, I did. I worked at the Ponderosa Steakhouse and got fired. But you know how, like, sexual harassment is just pervades the tone of.

Sure. Like the staff of like your but everybody does it. And then once you're outside of that world, you're like, oh my God, what I was doing was so illegal. Your name, but everybody has done to you to do that and not like assault us all right. Nationally. Oh, and so Hollywood is no different. It's so insane. It's like once you're given authority, you turn to a monster. Well, and also, when all the MeToo stuff really started to come out and like, certain people were getting picked off by that.

And I remember having conversations with other folks of like, that's the tip of the iceberg. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, you were so audacious. You got caught. Yeah. You're not talking about the real people that are are doing it all the time and the horrible stories you hear about so many people. Oh, yeah. We're going to get I don't know if they'll ever be called out. That's very true. That is actually very true.

And when you know and even like with Woody Allen, like saying that he is pedophile and I think for sure he is like whatever he did, you know, to the kids, They let him adopt a little girls, which I was like with it with Soon-Yi, you know, it's just like, how can that happen? Because. Okay, because that one time he was caught with naked photos. What makes you think that he didn't keep doing stuff like that, you know? Well, Did you watch that, Woody and me? Yeah. Yeah, I watched it, and it really.

It it turned me completely around. I always thought he was creepy. Yeah, whatever. But there was such a I remember at that time there was such a perception of, like me as gone. Yeah. Yeah. This stuff. Yeah. Mm. Her. She's overreacting. She's over. Oh, yeah. She's upset because of the Soon-Yi thing, which is something totally to get upset of, right? Yeah. Yeah. Still your daughter? Yeah. But watching the new, I was like, Oh, my God. He. There's no gray area. Yeah. Oh, I know. Yeah.

It's really. It's diabolical. It's just so creepy. Oh, my God. Spin that it all comes out of right is profound. Yeah. Has to work with us all the time. Yeah, just because she knew him. Oh, okay. Just one of the things that we both always ask because, you know, Daniel and I have been getting to know each other through the podcast. When you were in grade school, you know, middle school, junior high. High school.

Did you know you wanted to be a performer or did you feel like you were different from the other kids or. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. I knew I wanted to be funny. Mm hmm. I thought that was a great power. Mm hmm. And I knew I could be on stage and be safe. That was a great thing. I had a story when I was 12. I was singing in a recital. Mm hmm. College. And all the power went out Because it was the middle of the summer, and all the power went out in all the buildings.

And I was on stage and I was in complete darkness, and I just started telling jokes. Wow. And I was just like, well, I guess they didn't play the little, you know, like, just terrible schlock. But it was like the moment where I was like, if I'm up here and nothing. Oh, I love that. And that. Was it. And that. And that was like, what a great instinct in that in that moment to just, you know, I. Didn't like doing this show. Like, everybody gets nervous. And I'm like, Well, I wrote that song.

I had it's. Actually out there is the safest place for me. Mm hmm. It's the after stuff of, like, bigger Chicago pranks. How much more is that stuff out there that's safe? Mm hmm. Do you ever get anxious before a show or any anxious? Because I want to make sure that I do well, and I like, want to make sure my energy's in a good place, but I never get anxious about the doing of that. Mm hmm. Especially if I've written that. Mm hmm. Because I'm always like, Oh, even if it goes off, right?

I know how to get back because I know I've worked on the scene long enough to be like, I know the information we have to get. Right, you know? Oh, that's great. I don't. I don't get nervous in the same way of like, Oh, are they going to like me or are they going to? Because I think I've had enough practice and I'm sure you both know this of like when you're standing up on a stage and it's yourself for an hour or 30 minutes, like there's nothing

harder in the world. Hmm. I mean, I'm sure there's heart, you know, heart surgery, other things. Yeah. Yeah. Like that kind of that vulnerability. That. Right. So intense that it's, like, once you've done that. Yeah. There's very few things that are really scary to you. In the same way. I still feel that. That I'm like, Oh, they're not going to like me. And then go like, Oh, I was right. They. Oh, no. Did you?

It's like, look, I've given I feel like I've given up trying to get acceptance from, you know, you know, family or whatever. And so strangers are the last because. It doesn't hurt when they reject. Yeah. Or they listen to us self-diagnose. Well, if you're not Joan Baez quotes you Just because I'm of an age where I watch CBS Sunday Morning show bias that I was never good at one on one, but 2001, I was great. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. That's that's so smart. You play it, Lizzie Borden.

I play Stepmother of the Bar. Perfect bar, huh? Yeah. You know, just got. But I have a lot of love, and it really sounds like a Southern name. But even though I know it's. You know, it's Lady. Terrible And the phlegm. Nice. At honeymoon that. Oh, yes. We're doomed otherwise is in drag. And I have to see that. Yeah, that's all I would love. And she's adorable. She says she's so cute. Well, okay, that'll be okay. Have you seen Village of the Damned? Oh, I love it. So I like Joyce Carol.

I like those. Right, Right. Yeah, like. Like we watched. Talk to me the other day. No, seriously, I got no. Time. Uh huh, Uh huh. That's just people making bad decisions. Yeah, I'm watching. The whole time. All I'm doing is thinking. Stephen is going. You can't. Hear me. Aha. You might be the only one. All. Oh, nothing, My partner was like, Oh, we have to watch this horror movie. I was like, Oh, my God. So we watched. It was fine. I was like, I wanna show you a real horror movie. Uh huh.

And we watched the Mask of the Red Death with Mr.. Oh 64. Fantastic. They're supposed to be like Italian villagers in the 1600s. Everybody's got mob. Uh, it's a maze. They tacky and beautiful. It's just silliness. Can we talk about the mask of the Red Death? Oh, because, first of all, there's a couple 60. There's a couple of animations of it. Yeah. Oh, really? Okay, beautiful. There's a weird attack I think is Italian on the Internet. You can find, because I was talking about the masquerade

that we went to a party. Hmm. And it was. It was a beautiful house. And each room was sort of a color. Oh, I like that. But the party stuff only telling people and no one. Then I was like, you know, this party needs is a man dressed like that. Uh huh. Yeah. Draw with a sickle. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go down to the room. That's one of my favorite Monty Python things when death shows up to dinner. Do you remember that Monty Python sketch? They're all eating, and They're all been poisoned by the food.

And there's some guest arrives and it's death. It's. He's in a black cape and a sickle. And Don't you want anything? No, I'm good at it, cause he's you know, he knows that everybody's going to be dead. How can you not eating? I'm just not hungry. Yeah. Oh, it's so fucking funny. It's a monty Python. It's kind of a famous Monty Python. Movie, The Last Supper with. It's like one of Cameron Diaz's first movies. Everything. Oh, it's so good. Okay, so they are. It's too much of a spoiler to how.

Okay, Part of the scene is where they don't. If someone's being murdered, they don't want the victim to know that they've been murdered. They wanted to think that they're dying of, like an accident. So the murderers scream like I. Like they don't know what's going on, right? Oh, he's like, poison the person. Oh, how smart to die. They're all pretending that they don't know what the fuck is going on. It's so good. Do you know who has or who had Vincent Price's ashes?

No. Joan Rivers. Mhm. And you know who will. Who she willed them to? Oh, Robin Quivers. That has to be engaged to see through that, because who the hell would know that? But, you know. Ha ha ha ha ha. Is that. A lot of people were and she's quoted a lot. It's got a, there's a, there's a volume too. And with Daniel Jackie. He's like there's the, like Melissa, she's like oh he was her godfather. Oh really. Oh, Vincent Price was Melissa's. Oh, he's Melissa's godfather. Oh, she has his ashes.

Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. I love the mask of the Red Devils. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Campy. It's so incredible. I said, do you know the story? I feel like gear. And I must have watched that on our first date because I fell on my head. I talked about this thing and We just met, and he had to stay with me for 24 hours to make sure I didn't have a concussion. And it was on October 25th. So we were watching all the yeah, all these Halloween movies.

And we were just saying, like, Vincent Price should or we should have a recording of Vincent Price if we have a, you know, a real wedding ceremony, cause he was like to watch the whole time. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Well, thanks for coming. Thank you for having me on. It's so fun. And people can find you where. I'm just Elizabeth. They are on Instagram. And that's. That's right. Now everything else is up and running, but that way you can always find the fantastic.

And we're actually getting are going to go to the show tonight when this podcast airs. So can we say, will you just give us the info one more time, just so people listening. To the hatchet that the LGBT Center on 181125 North McCadden place tickets are on the LGBT website on the LGBT L.A. LGBT Center website and yeah, come by. And what time?