Hi. Hi. Welcome to what we thought. What happened? I'm. I'm Laura Kightlinger. We are so excited and thrilled to have a mega superstar. Hilarious comedian, a great writer and legend. And please welcome Julius Woo. We've already been having, like, pastry nosh talk. Mm hmm. It started with Laura asking, Julia, what's your sign? And it devolves. Well, I know that that was my stupidity. My sign and stop. Yeah. She said be realistic. Can you please, for 2 seconds?
This is bullshit. But wait. No. You know what I wanted? I wanted to ask Julia because I'm kind of trying really hard to figure out a way to live in Ireland. About Galway. I thought it was Cork. Oh, I am. But I thought you were in Galway. You took. But when I had my experience you said you wanted to move to. Yes. And I said I had sex with the guy in a jail in Cork. In the cell. In the cell. Wow. How did that happen? Don't they separate men and women?
Wow. Well, what happened is I had met this guy at a pub and we were attracted to each other. His accent. Oh. Oh, my Lord. Had to leave because he had to go home. He had to go somewhere to take his evening tablets. So that was I remember it. Oh, fantastic. And we were in a park and we became naked and we were fooling around in the park. And then all of a sudden we hear. You can't be doing that kind of thing here in the park in county car. Wow. Thrown into the back of her way. Wow.
So you were so you went to jail in the 1800s? It was it was 1981. Okay. And when you were 82. Okay. You were just I was. In your parents. Yeah, I was in utero. Yeah. And they put us in the same cell. Just the two of you. So you could continue having sex. Oh, my God. So. And then at the end, I realized that the cop who pulled us in was watching. Wow. What? So what is it like? So, will you please just describe the jail cell? Like, is it like. Just like.
A little like this room with the cement beds? It was just like, Huh? It was not a comfortable experience. Okay. And what I mean was, it sounds like it sounds like it was small. Like it was like an Andy Griffith shit like that. Just bar. Yeah. No, it's just bars. Yeah, it was kind of open. Because it is cell. And I picture the person watching is very Don Knotts, like, googly eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Like it wasn't. Well, I guess it was not a fake to remember it. It's just creepy in all aspects.
But at the time, it just seemed like a you know, it's just an evening for, you know. County clerk jail. I want to know what I want to know what was in the tablets. Yeah, I do, too. So did he give you some to. Name Danny. Donovan? Oh, my God. Not Danny Dyer. Not fucking Danny Dyer. Oh, my God. Julia, it's. Tablets. I slept with him, too. Well, he was very attractive, was good part. And he was a ginger and bright red hair. Oh, see, we liked this guy. Was the park incident.
After the tablets, he went home. Yeah, well, he had to swing by somewhere and get some weight. But you didn't. You didn't take the tablets very intoxicated. Oh, okay. Well, out of the day, Darren. But you didn't take any of the tablets, Just him. Okay. Recreationally. Oh, he needed something. The medication you had to take. Okay. God, what if he had had a heart attack? That would have. Yeah. He was. My age. Yeah. Uh huh. Uh huh, yeah. What were you doing in Ireland then?
I was after I graduated from college. I spent four months just going around Europe with my brother backpacking around. Mm. Amazing. Because that's where Laura was the most. I know. I keep blabbing about it. Well, and enhanced take taken with them. Everything else. I would buy my affection. I know, I know. I. I've just. I've already proposed because I think it's the only way I'm going to get there. And Julie, you're in the process of becoming an Irish citizen, right? So what's that?
I mean, what do you have to do exactly? 1200 dollars. Okay. You have to hire a lawyer. Mm hmm. I brought my lawyer. You have to gather a lot of documents to prove, Like I had to get my grandfather's birth certificate. My grandfather's? Actually, that's what's holding it up, because my grandfather. Won't tell the. Irish. Oh, you tagalong. When he. Died the year I was born, 19. 59. And he was a construction worker. But he was in Ecuador when he was killed in a construction accident.
Oh, God. The death certificate from Ecuador is difficult, but I did get a State Department announcement that he had died from 1959. But they're saying that's not good enough. I need to get actually an Ecuadorian death certificate. And my dad was born in 1878. Like, can't we just assume he's dead? Yeah. Why do you do it? How do you. Not think this guy's dead? Well, I didn't do that. Didn't realize. Yeah, that. Didn't even dawn on me.
So they think that there's a possibility that he could say, you know, I wasn't assistant like they want him to. They want him to say they. Have his birth certificate. Right? Right. He's Irish. But I think it's because so many people are trying to get Irish citizenship. Oh, okay. That they're just being really picayune and hoping that by attrition, people will drop off and not do it and dissuade people from becoming Irish.
Uh. Because once you do get Irish citizenship, then you have EU citizenship, which is very valuable. Right? Damn, you still can do it. I mean, if you go on the Irish website that'll tell you everything you have to do. But it's taken me like three or four years. Wow. It's still not time. See, I've been to Ireland and the Cats laughs Comedy Festival twice. And I went to Dublin, I think, for something for Comedy Central.
But I feel like that is equal to citizenship, that I've done stand up in front of those people. And, you know, I. Tried that, too. Yeah. Hey, you know, I've worked, I've worked, I've gone there, I've done radio shows. Yeah. They're like, Yeah, we don't care about that. Do you like performing over there or is it? Well, I didn't really. I did a couple of little things and did a radio show. I did some publicity for something, But I love Dublin. I do love Dublin and I do a 42 cousins.
In Dublin right now. Oh, jeez. You going to Ecuador right after, like rifling through old papers? Well, the actually, the lawyers, this is like three weeks ago saying to work on it. I would very bad sent me the place that I need to contact to get the Ecuadorian but I just have to do it. Yeah. So I'm glad that we're having this conversation. So when I get home, I'll continue on with my. What do you think? I mean, what if you just buy a house there or you can't? No, no, you can't.
Oh, well, they did issue me a number, which meant that I'm in the queue to become a citizenship if I get all the papers. And that allows me to buy property there if I want to. I can afford to buy property. But that's not going to happen. My dream was like Iceland, right? I was walking around Reykjavik. I was like, How much? Just like with a friend who lives there and we have houses in the city and like, what does that cost, though? Like, I don't know, like 300,000. That's it.
And then there's one lady is at a party. She'd been raised in the flat. We're in her flat. She had been raised in this very apartment, and her parents left her when she was 14. And years later, she said. I was just like broke up with her, but left her the. Apartment precisely with this. She I go. They left you here? She said. They just walked out. Oh, my God. I'm glad they didn't see the little girl at the end of the lane.
She was walking down the street when they in her adulthood and she saw that the whole building was for sale. So she goes. She wanted to close the car, which I never heard that phrase before. I Wow. She wants to close the car. And so I bought the whole building. Wait, how does that close the car? She bought the building and she owned the place that she. Had built so she wouldn't be a family. Left ever again. Are. My goal is to never to be in charge of this building.
Right. And I remember thinking, Wow, you own the whole building. And I go, What do you do for a living? Since And unless of, Wow, I want to live in one of those countries. Wow. Like a job and be a flat owner. Yeah, well, I'm constantly looking at like, Oh, I could buy that farm. It's 200,000. I could. Yeah. Would you have to live in Maine? But then you have to go live there. Yeah, I know. In Ireland. Yeah. I had a farm that has it. Probably not like hot water and all that stuff.
Would like the West Coast is what you said. Yeah, I do like it. It's very desolate. What is. That? It's not crazy. Like, it's. It's just. And it's green and. I don't know. I like Clifton. Yeah. My. That's your favorite place. When I'm feeling blue, I look at houses in Clifton. i0i always look at houses there too. And Julia, we have something else in common. We were both on SNL. Oh, yeah? Did your years overlap you and. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. I was 94, 95, 94 to 95. Yeah.
And I was. I left before 94 in the. Fall of 94. Yeah. Went through the spring. Right. Oh yeah. That would have been fun. I wish I was there when you were there. I know. You were groundlings. Yeah. And so. And people on your cast. So you were like the Phil Hartman era. Yeah, well, Phil was older than me, but he was. He was my teacher at the Groundlings. Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. were you ever. There were. Jokes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, she's. Loving her son. Yeah. Sorry. I loved you.
Well, she was just so when I first got to the show, I got this huge bouquet of flowers, and it was from Jam Lake. It was so nice saying. Welcome to the show. I'm so great. And then I felt that, I mean, other people on this show and I did not identify that. Nice. Yes. You know, welcome to. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sending you a big bouquet of flowers. Yeah, Yeah. Send me. Yeah. That show is so intense. Right they could work on. Yeah. Yeah. In your four seasons
you're on. Yeah. Which one of those is the scariest? Like, are you confident the first season. Are you. They're like third season and you're like, Oh my God, This. Season was just a dream of happiness. I think it was also great. The third season That was when all of a sudden I wasn't getting cast and they were saying things like, There's no one here pretty enough to play the pretty girl in the sketch. You know, like, Oh, we'll have to. Bring a model in to play. This person. Oh, my God. it was.
The Groundlings is pretty even here, right? It's the male. Dominated environment. Right? No, it's so funny, though, because I talked to someone recently is something like. the Grammys. To me it was Eden. Like it was just, hey. Everybody, let's put on the show. Wow. You know, there to help everyone else. Everyone's so happy. And I so that as somebody at the Grammys and they said, oh, yeah, well, you are so good with the politics around there. And I was like, The politics around the Groundlings.
Really? Wow. That kind of threw me like, Oh, maybe for me it seemed like an even, but maybe for other people, they didn't perceive it that way. And maybe that's true at SNL. Like if you're really doing well, it doesn't seem horrible. Mm hmm. But so I feel like the first year I did really well, and then I didn't really notice that it could be really difficult. And then things got more difficult for me.
And then I then I started seeing, how competitive it was and how my natural naivete allowed me to have a beginning there that was kind of relatively stressful. But then I kind of wised up and saw how political, if you want to call it, that, it really was and then the main thing was that Christine Zander, who's a writer there, we met actually the first when I went in.
Lauren said, Your office will be this number and you're going to go on inside and then you're going to become best friends and you're going to write everything together. Oh, nice. Okay. I got to have my little box of personal items. And then I walked in, I met her, and we became best friends and we were joined, but then, well, for three years and then she left. And I didn't understand how the key to my happiness there was Christine. We had each other to look across the room.
We had exactly the same sense of humor. We wrote sketches for other people. We were so in sync because she got on a writing staff writing position on Third Rock from the Sun, I think she left and she had a kid and, you know, she wanted to get back to L.A. so she went to L.A. and then I was completely XY, like I had nobody. They had all a lot of new people acting there. It became even kind of the guy. Energy it was so dominant and there was no room for my humor in that type of humor.
Like there was just no room for me. The nineties were sort of broke though. They were like I don't Yeah. Dominated everything all the time. But like even when you look back there were the interview was like the guys from Nirvana and like they knew they got big when jocks and bro started showing up at their gigs. Yeah. Oh yeah listen to us. Yeah, well, weird like a different demographic, but that energy was very. I feel. Like it took someone like Tina
Fey to break. That. Yeah. Yeah. And I admire her, and I wish I could be more like her, but I realize it takes someone that calendar and that determination and that ballsy to really change it all around. Yeah, she did change. It really changed. Yeah, I know. I couldn't have done that. Was that a show you watch? Like, not. I was really SCTV. Oh, I love CTV. I want to be an actress. I would say to people. SC TV made me laugh my head off, and I watched. It was like. Let me in. Like, I want.
To do what they're doing. SNL, I'm not very cool. You're cool. Like, I could see that they seemed cool, but it wasn't that. It was so funny to me. It was more like hip. MM Whereas SCTV It was just pure hilarity. Oh, I know. Oh, it's so. Like ancient Lucille Ball. I'm like, Oh, she's so she's. And Andrea martin is so incredible. I mean, there's Kevin in here and Kevin and our host. And when I was on the show. Oh, wow, the. Most exciting hosting was the best.
Because that's the thing I'm obsessed with, like being star struck with people, especially that show in particular. Yeah, so many musicians and movie stars are like walking through there. Like, were there people ever that just like, stop you in your tracks or was it Cameron era? Well, Cameron here of without her, I probably wouldn't have gotten into the whole like it was really view as a big thing for me. Like it made me want to put on wigs and. Julia Where did you grow up? Spokane, Washington.
Oh, okay. I like it of their sort. I don't know. Yeah, I did. You there? Yeah. It's pretty country and it's. Very conservative, half of the town's conservative, and they're the town. The half that is in control of everything. Yeah. So. But it's nice. It's actually I just spent a bunch of time. I think we met at Luna Park. Yeah, right. With Best Show. And that when it was on Robertson. Yeah, that was so great. Oh, my. God. Oh, my God, You're so funny. Oh, you are, too. You knew.
I just want to watch you in March. You know, you're an angel. Well, thank you. I remember that room because there was a sprinkler layer on the ceiling, and it was a really low ceiling. And I put my hand up and hit the sprinkler. It didn't go off, but I cut the shit out of my hand. I had blood going all the way down my arm. Yeah, I know. Cause I'm so, like, accident prone. But I just remember that, like. And I kept ducking. No, no. That's just your Luna Park.
But this is what I love about Luna Park. It only helped 50 people crash. Yeah, So little, right? Had a confessional feel to it. Like it was kind of pre-internet and social media. So it was like you really felt like you could. You were at a dinner party. Yeah. Yeah. You could just say anything. Oh, I know. That was so fun. When you do that, they show. We did it last year. I was on your show at Largo, It wasn't just comedy. Oh, yeah, Yeah, right. Like an open kind. Of, you know. Nice to do that.
I feel like that didn't work. Really? Oh, it totally worked. Really? I thought so, because the comedy part was great, But then the conversation you and P had. Oh, right. It was really funny. But then the conversation was great. I liked the concept. Because, you know, I was interviewing an author. I was trying to do a little my fantasy talk show, I guess. Yeah, comedians, mostly comedians that interview an author having a serious discussion. And that. Is great. I felt that was like.
Oh, was it in the main room at Largo? That that's I like. That room a lot. So I feel like I liked it as a fantasy, but I'm not a big enough draw to just sell out that place that represented every month that was kind of my fantasy. Yeah, I could if I did it and made it my only thing I did and I promoted it and promoted it everywhere I went and I just couldn't do that.
Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. I like how you mix the comedy and the like the topics because you talked about like we were talking about horoscopes and you know, you're talking about you found out you weren't a Libra. Yes. My mother told me the wrong birthday. What? Yes, until I was 12, because she was trying to get me into school and there was a cutoff by September 15th. My birthday was October 10th, tentative. And then as I grew up, I thought I was a Virgo. So I got a huge Virgo poster for my world.
Oh, my Lord. Now this. My horoscope. Every day. Now I get it. I get it. Now I get the hatred for the horoscopes and all this shit. The hatred for the roses I die. That I found out when I was 12 that I was actually a Libra. And then my job is like, Oh. I went from a beautiful. Woman by the water. Scale. I have a car by 12. So I'm filling out and I'm already my mother. Every all the women in our family are in a panic that. You're going to get fat.
Oh. Yeah. I think the awareness at 12, it was really that was the age of reason where you go, Oh my God, Not only am I not a beautiful. Girl by the water, okay? And every time I look at my horoscope, have to look for the scale. I would anyway. But I still. You have the same birthday as Brian. Kylie. October 10th. Yeah. Okay. You what? I just go to look you. I've gotten into talking about atheism or any loaded word, but I like talking about. Right.
It sounds every word, but I was obsessed with Mallory O'Hair. Oh, yeah. Which she was the most hated woman in America. But in my research of her, I have her thing birthday. Oh, April 13th. Oh, that's so funny. she was on Carson. Oh, yeah, I know she was. That set back on I think. Although, you know, I kind of regret that I said I am an atheist, but I kind of regret that I talked about it so much.
Wait a second. To Julie. I'm glad that I'm glad that you talk about it, because, look, you grew up in your Irish Catholic, right? Did you grow up did you go to church on Sundays with your family and all that stuff? Oh, wow. Yeah. What changed. It? Seriously, I listen to. What they said. I was just there and I thought it was true. Yeah. Wow. Even they didn't think it's true. But I. I was think that was my mistake. And I think my mom was trying to tell me that. Oh, really?
Well, she kept saying, Don't you think everyone thinks like you? And I'd be like, Well, then why did they go hahaha? But now that I'm older, I realize it's a social lubricant. Yes. It's like saying it was meant to be. People say that not like, oh, it's meant to be. It's like it doesn't really mean anything. It just means that's what happened. It's just like it's social. Yeah, like in Spokane, it would be like, Well, I'm praying for you. You're going to go off and pray for you.
Yeah. Something to say? Correct? And so now it bothers me that people think these stories are true. Mhm. To me to think they're true robs the interesting. Aspect of the story from. A really interesting. Story. Yeah. If you know their story right. Like Moses, Abraham It was interesting. Yeah. It might partly be braided together with some actual history, but it's interesting that this is the story that was told and told. Mm hmm.
if you're saying it's literally true, every single thing that happened, it's like saying Star. Wars is absolutely true. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Ha. All the arguments be about how it's. No, it's. It is true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the story. Oh, I know. I know. And I. And I always think that about Deepak, you know, about Deepak Chopra and, and just, you know, being a guru or self-help guru, which is he has helped himself to about 300 million.
But I also think, like, it's so crazy like if he's he's saying, you know, he's God, like, you know how much did God charge his followers, do you think, to listen? There was a fight about private school and someone had a sign that said, God loves us for free. That sign that they're showing all the like the Christian right. Oh, Oh, my God. Because we just flew to. Wow, that's bad. Mm. I love that. That's actually a beautiful way to say it. It sucks the, like, magic out of the story.
Well, I find in the atheist community, which I've been part of now, as long as I was a believer, they don't see how great religion is like to me. it's really the culture and the stories forget about. But true. Yeah, like it's about culture transmission and history transmission and the stories are great. Mm. Fantastical, mythological beings and people transforming and coming back from the dead and Yeah. And magically healing people and it's so great.
And yet, so I think both the Christians and the atheists miss it because the Christians take it too seriously and the atheists reject it. And it's actually great storytelling. Well, I do think that parting the Red Sea is true. I do think that's true because I don't know, I have kind of a little bit of an interest in meteorology. And I think, you know, that. Gets me, but I doubt it. No, of course, I don't think any of that. For us, that's my theory.
my friend's grandmother died a hundred years ago. I've been to a billion funerals, but it was one of those things where the spell was broken. I feel like that's more of like an atheist thing. It's just breaks the cycle, right. Mhm. And it takes fun. I read it was one where there was this their grandmother died and these two old ladies in Texas are fanning themselves with the bulletin of their dead friend. You know.
Yeah. And one of them leans over to the other and she, and they have like a whisper to each other ratios where you want to grab lunch after that. Ha. It's not even a spiritual moment. And then the other was we're in church and they do the call response. You know, the Lord would be with you and all that would be with it. I don't even know what that is. Minister What. Was your. Religion? Methodist. So even like, not dogmatic that much, Just socially dogmatic.
Yeah, the minister says something and you repeat it back, right? Oh, he was in that repeating back that my mom leaned over and she was repeating it like a zombie. She go and also with you like, Oh yeah. Oh, how funny. You're not in on it then. I'm not. You know what I mean? That that's a joke to you. And it's certainly a joke to. Me, Right. And so that from there on, you look at it differently.
Well, there's some like the Unitarians, who are really great, and I would be a Unitarian if I just didn't. I'm not trying to meet you. Ha. Okay, wait. It's a dating service. Think I know enough people, but they're really great. They're very like half the people. They are atheist, but they use the word God as a symbol. It's like. It's like use the word God as a metaphor. That's why it's a metaphor. Even in science, they use like, what would something want to be in science?
It doesn't mean that there's a consciousness out there that wants something. It just means that you're trying to guess what some mechanism is trying to do naturally. What is it? What does it want to do? So like I feel like God is a great metaphor. Yeah. Or even just saying it like, I mean, even with metaphysics, just saying like, well, it's, you know, the universe is, you know, like kind of taking that. It's almost like a scientific approach, almost like it's, it's like, you know.
You could do that except that people can take it too far, in my opinion. Yeah, but it doesn't that doesn't even bother me either. I guess. I feel like I was so shocked that there was so little evidence for everything. Oh, yeah, it actually. I just thought, you know, a lot of smarter, you know, senior Justin Thomas Aquinas, a lot of these people really looked at, you know. I a a so, you know, I haven't had time to do a deep dive. I mean, when you go to.
A doctor, you know, like you're not going to stop and become, you know, whatever field they are an architect, you know, like you're just trusting on the judgment. Enough judgment was there that you should go with it. But that's how I felt about church. Yeah. And then I started to look into it and it's like, Oh, this is built on a house, you know, on sand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is one of their metaphors. Ha ha ha. I spent a fierce.
in fact, it's shocking to me how little evidence there is Oh yeah. It's not even a debate. Like, were like you should do a debate. It's like there's no debate. Yeah. Yeah. There's not even enough. Like there's now I'm into nutrition too. Nutrition is so much more complicated than religion. There are. So it's so much harder to tease out what's true and not true in nutrition. It's so much richer and more convoluted. Yeah, nutrition, right.
But when I compared to religion, religion is like child's play. Yeah. Kindergarten. Yeah. Americans. I think it's because American is don't naturally look into anything you know because. We're. Looking to. Yeah but. But I mean you know there is I did this bit about. It you know and Yeah. But I. I didn't start that No.
Oh no. Okay say I used to do this bit about how I was getting my house fixed where I used to live and, the contractor, I said, look, the windows are leaking and I told this to him like twice. And then he said, No, it's not the windows, it's the gutter on the roof. That's what's like pouring right in. And I said, No, I can see it. And then finally it's, Hey, I've been doing this for 20 years. And then I was okay with that. I was like, okay, okay, right.
No. And I realized that you people, you can suck at something for a very long time and stay employed, right? Because yeah, no one knows about gutters. Yeah, yeah. Or anything. You just like you take it. You go to doesn't know anything about. It. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like okay. Oh so you're getting, you know, so you're getting by on a saying that you haven't been fired even though you don't know what you're doing in therefore. Yeah. So what happened then. Did they finally do the gutter.
No, that was. The I gave up, So then I just like, had somebody else to. I was just like. And the reason I hired him was because he had a mullet and a diamond earring. And I thought, this guy. I know, but no, I just and this was like in 2004 or whatever, and I thought, this guy has stuck with whatever it is. He must be. He must work really hard because he hasn't been outside to know that that's really outdated. Yeah, he has. Doesn't give a shit about how he looks.
And then I realized, yeah, I got scammed, I got sucked in. And he was also this guy he could track in dog shit from. I don't know where at that point I didn't. I mean, game over. Yeah, I didn't have a dog at that point. I had three cats. I didn't have a dog because I just moved in I was like, how do you where did you find this dog shit? It's like I could put it in the mailbox and you still track it Anyway, That guy I got into a fight once. It was a house I was renting, right.
And the yard can fix. But every time you flush the toilet, the yard would explode, right? Because one of the pipes had broken. Oh, man. Ceiling. God is looking at me. He's like, Someone's flushing tampons in the tub. I was like, I don't. Yeah, I promised any of this house a 30 years old. These pipes are never broken. I was like, Well, don't you think it's time they did? Yeah. Break, buddy. And they dug it up and they're like, There's fuckin five inches of silt.
I was like, Yeah, that's also called 30 year anniversary. Oh, my God. I never. But then I'm like, not Butch enough to really argue with any maintenance person, right? Because in our house remodel, my husband, who doesn't know how to do everything because he's that guy and he's handy the people that I hire, it's like they're friendly and they're nice. They chatted me up and they must know what to do. Like, they literally don't know one. Single, you know.
Oh, my God, Yeah. Actually, there's one guy. before I met Michael. My husband was sort of like like if I met him because his name was F Edwards as a painter, and I hired him to be something. We got along, and then he just started doing handing out stuff. then he also somehow started doing some wallpaper stuff. And then he did some stuff for some famous comedians like people that he was doing stuff. So he'd mentioned that to me, and then of course, I thought, Oh, because you're so great.
And then he started doing some things, it was so bad. And then I said to Michael, But he works for these people. He's like, You're saying that a bunch of female comedians of a certain age. Ha ha ha ha. He goes, I don't know. I see that as like a bad example. I Oh, I like him. And it's funny. Oh. We're all because he's so charming. Yeah, it's funny. Any Anyway. Oh, how funny. It's like he must know what he's doing. He laughs at everything I say. I that is. The sign of a competent person.
I don't care. Let him read you the. Funny stories based on how are you laugh. I know that they can, you know, do brain surgery. But I guess that's where I was. Like, I like going. This is because I get this weird feeling in my brain that, Oh, someone's talking about me like me, like I like that kind of like, what. About a therapist? Well, I am. Are you sure? Is not all it is. Yeah. A psychic? Yes. You just have to keep asking them questions. Until you hear what you want to hear.
Is that what it is? That's the same thing. Like you got your non maintenance. Maintenance, man. I got my non psychic. Psychic? Because they're just talking about us and like, enjoying our personality. It makes me so uncomfortable, because the whole time I'm thinking, okay, I know this is a scam. I know it's a scam, right? But we're both. Pretending like it is. Yeah. Yeah. And then I get so uncomfortable on their behalf, for their obvious knowledge, this is a scam.
That I don't. Even know how to hear what they're saying. Yeah, Then you just go along with it. It's like. Yeah, sure. That seems that's right. Yeah. I foolishly paid $800 because this woman that someone told me that actually somebody that we both know, a male comic showrunner, said, This woman's great, her name's Shah or whatever. And then I looked her up and it was. Yeah, yeah. And and I am so happy to have this information. Yeah. Yeah. But here's the crazy thing. She didn't get anything right.
Not one fucking thing. And I guess that she was a Leo. You got her first, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She should have paid me. He had gone to her and he felt like she. Oh, yeah, Yeah. He's the bad. Thing about such a as a known skeptic is no one tells me things anymore. Like that. You're telling me. Yeah. Don't. Don't go to shock. Psychic energy that it was Michaels. Because it just seemed like a showrunner. We both know. Uh huh. Oh. It's like the psychic guy just. You would be this goddess, Julia.
Oh, do we both know who you would be? Hi, Julia. You're. You're an amazing psychic to that. You could be. You know, you and Bret Butler could. Be way too. But like, a factor to that is psychic. you know, mindfulness as a as a meditation. I do what I do on waking up meditation, but not every morning like that. Morning. What is that? You know, Sam Harris, He has an app called Waking Up. Mm. It's great. He does a ten minute minute. It is very science based.
It's not Well this is what happens to me and a lot of meditation breathe in breath is the basis of all life. That is 100% not true. Yeah. There are animals that don't breathe. Yeah. Passive is created by. The synthesis of different things. Yeah, it's not true. Yeah, it's like they're not meditating. Oh, my God. Then I have to go. But the point is. Calming yourself with the breath. Yeah. So I need to have somebody who really isn't going to do that. So Sam Harris really doesn't do that.
Oh, so you can't read Allure magazine because they say, What are the things you can't live without? Oh, this. Lipstick. My eye. I know I ten things. I know, but I always think that's so crazy. I can't live without food, actually. How about you? Yeah, there is, like, a lip gloss, though. Yeah, everyone needs a lip thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. A good moisturizer. So a question is Mac, twig, twig is my color. Really? And I can't live without it. It's the little green, the little squeeze.
No, no, it's just a little black. It looks like a Kotex thing. Like it's like a little man bullet. When I first moved to L.A., there was this weed lip balm like CBD thing. Right on your lips? Yes. And it would your lips would get, like, bigger. Hmm. Or whatever. I don't know. But it was like they were like peppermint and it was the biggest lip boost. It was so good. And then they went out of business or illegal the whole time. But now I can't find it. I've tried all the other.
But what about online? There not seems like it would really go in your system fast from your lips. I was like, I have an entire like an intolerance level. But you know, you call a business and it's clearly someone's phone. Oh, it was that vibe. Yeah. there was someone who called me, I guess it was an assistant because I was just trying to get into the anti. But everybody's, you know, working at home. And this woman sounded very professional. And then I heard a baby wailing in the background.
00 up. Yeah. Yeah. Not to always bring it back to this, but this thing's like it could You could hear her dog and kid in the back. Yeah. Like they clearly. Live Well that's kind of part of the tradition. It's like it's right in front. Yeah, I live in the back. Yeah, Because I started in Pandemic. I started going around L.A. and taking pictures of all the second neon. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. It's very. Cool. You hear the late night sounds with, like, the door open, Home sounds.
Right. You know what I mean? Like a TV or like, I get back here, that kind of stuff. you know, the Greystone mansion here. Oh, yeah. I like to go on tour, and I go to a very proud L.A. Angelino. and they had a ghost tour of grace and magic. This is how secular I am. It never occurred to me that somebody would seriously talking about ghost. I thought it meant the history.
Yeah. Oh, no. So then I. Get there, and the first thing the guy says and I bring my husband, Michael, who's, might, he is beyond skeptical. And and the guy goes, My first question is, how many people here have the site? I fantastic looking at me like, oh. Have you brought me? I like almost everyone's hands go up and I'm just. Like, I think this goes. And it's like, yeah, this tour name is the Ghost of Greystone. Mansion. I go. I thought you meant just like the ghost, like what's happened here?
Yeah. Uh. One has got to know about what's. Happening, right? Like, just stories that go on. Yeah, we're on Ghost. And then we did the whole tour. It was like a three hour tour. Grace And imagine every story. Michael's favorite line from the whole thing was this is not hearsay. I heard it firsthand. Oh, nice. I heard that. Yeah, just. It's still. Hearsay. Yeah. Anyway, we're going. I think we need to do a short documentary about Julia's trip to Lilydale. Do you know about Lilydale?
It's really close to where I grew up. It's a psychic community. It's all in. It's like probably 40 psychics. All, like, in this small, like upstate, like, kind of go through this upset, Oh, I'm sorry. Upstate New York. Yeah, it's between Jamestown and Buffalo. but anyway it does have a feeling I have sex. I've been went there with my mother and there's a gate and then there's this big pond and it's like a black mirror, this pond, it's huge and everything's very still.
And then you go in and you hope that you get a decent psychic people with you. Somebody when you. Know, you just I guess you just kind of walk around and. Yeah. It's like sort of like legal prostitution. You kind of go to some area and pick your purse. And slip money. What is it? The money? Yeah, Yeah. I do think people there's people who have a second sight. All right.
And this woman took off my ring and and she was saying, well, this is going to happen when you're 30 and this is going to happen to bye bye bye. But you've been lucky because hasn't been that much death except for your father, who you have. And I mean, that was pretty good. She goes, I know that you don't have anything in common with your father and that. And so I don't know. I kind of believe it. Yeah. I'm illegitimate. Did he take you around? No. because it was a secret.
Yeah. So, And in fact, I think when I was really young, because he was never around and my mom didn't really explain to me, I think I thought he was a spy for like, you know. When she didn't explain that he had another family. Yeah. She didn't. And when did you find out? Like, she's kind of explained it to me when I was like, seven or eight and like.
Okay, yeah, big. Thing. And I always wonder and we used to always argue because I wanted to know about my half brother and sister especially in Junior high, I was having a hard time in my dad and I just did not, you know, have anything. He would come over really just to see my mother. And I knew that. But it was funny because we'd have nothing to talk about and I'd say, So how the wife and kids.
And then he would just ignore me because I, you know, wanted to find out about my, you know, sister and brother. That's ballsy. But I also because I thought. It. Maybe a little because I was having a hard time then in school and I just wondered like where they popular or were they, you know, and all that. Kind of crap, how far away to visit. you know, I don't know. Julia It's not that there weren't that we. Were in that. No, we were in the same town. We're definitely in the same town. Yeah.
Did you ever meet them? No. I'm sorry. I did. I met them. It was funny. I met them after my dad died because his first wife was a lawyer who got all the kids together and it was really heartbreaking for his immediate family for his daughter from his first marriage, too, because they had no idea about any of it. Yeah. They didn't even know that my dad was divorced, you know, once before and had had a kid. Yeah. Yeah, He had two marriages. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You know, No, that was it.
But I guess my name was on will or survived by, and so they thought I was his mistress. They didn't know that they had. He had a kid with. With my mother. Yeah. And everybody's finding all this out at the funeral. And No, they find it out I guess probably like a year later. So. Yeah. This. This was in, 84. Wow. That's crazy. Mhm. So I honestly not to get dark about it, but like as a nonbeliever, like losing someone is traumatic for all kinds of reasons, but like, funerals for me are very.
I feel like you sitting at this, like living like we all know this is a shame, right? Like where everyone's like, they're in a better place or. Mm. I find funerals to be very light because. Yeah, well, because it's really not about the Denver, it's about the people who are surviving. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And well I'm just, I just went through this because my mom died last November. We had her celebration of life in August. And so I just went to Spokane for two weeks now.
Yeah. So anyway, there's stories about that. But anyway. Yeah, yeah. And, but you know, like, and it was a Catholic service, but I was glad for it. There was something to say. There was a ritual. Yeah. Pre subscribed way to be with each other. We knew it wasn't just like, well she's gone. Yeah. Like, No say this prayer to say that. Mm. We put her rose into the grave, you know, like we had rituals that we did. It felt very comforting. And Catholic funerals are dramatic
or maybe. Yeah. Well this was more like Catholic prayers at the burial site. Oh, okay. Yeah, the whole mass. Yeah, I can't. To me, I can take about five. Minutes, and I'm. Julia. Do you have a sister? You have you. Okay, so it's just you and your sister. It's five oh have passed away and we live in Japan where she's lived for 55 years. My brother Jim lives in Seattle area. Oh, okay. So they were there or they. Came from Japan. And she hasn't been here for like, many years.
And my mom was a really difficult person. Oh, it was. Although I was thinking my parents had the most success with the youngest kid because he was the most like my dad and he was the most like my mom. Oh. Ah, you know, so. So here I think it's kind of what personalities come out. Yeah. And I had a really hard time with my mom and made more than me, but I did too. so it was a complicated situation. We were really happy to be free of her.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's actually the greatest thing between us because my mother would sort of pit us against each other. Uh, so we had a whole week of being together, kind of airing, you know, all the stories and what had happened to each of us that was so unfair and what we misunderstood about what someone else had done. Uh, it it was good. Yeah, it's good that you've got.
Yeah, Yeah. But we still have the all the family came from all parts of Washington, and we had a party at the bar that my parents went to their first day back. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, It. Was like, I think you could predict what was going to happen. Yeah. You've been doing a lot of like, one woman shows, basically. Yeah. since SNL. Yeah, but I mean, do TV work and things like that. You write your own stuff and they're all one woman shows. What's your writing structure process like?
it's really out of laziness. No, no, no, no. I remember. I think, okay, well, it really started because of the uncle, because I was my brother had cancer and I had cancer. My parents moved in with me and the only outlet I had because they were all living in this house. Oh, I'm living in now. My parents, my brother was dying. Me? Yeah, we're all in this house for nine months. And your parents moved in to take care of you? Yeah. Oh, so the they need taking care of people, then. It's like you're.
Oh, have to go to your own chemo and they're asking you to stop and get a diet. Oh, my God. Like, it would be so much easier to handle having cancer if I didn't also have to take care. Of my parents. Wow. You feel like you're. They're taking care of you. But also, are you confident? Oh, my God. So you're constantly like, Oh, I'm done with. You making. Dinner. Yeah. Oh, I want you to. Oh, wow. This really is the only outlet I have is that I'm calm.
Julia, When you did and God said hi, I thought that meant you were religious. Well, I was religious. Oh, okay. I had a kind of benign idea of God as kind of I would say my vision of God was like a very friendly uncle who really has no power. Mm. Oh, he sees everything. Actually, I'm using that in something great. I didn't realize that, but I really, is like a compassionate uncle. Like. Oh, Julia may. Not get that.
But with dementia, it sounds like he has, like, a dementia village, like in Amsterdam. Yeah, I meant to stop that fire. And I started it. I left a switch on. I didn't realize it was right next to the curtain and the candle. Made me laugh. Even at that time you were religious. Did you feel like the rug was pulled out from this enlightenment or things like At that time that I wrote that I was culturally religious, I would say the same way my parents were. I had taken it really seriously.
I was smart enough to know how to make fun of it, but I still also kind of believed it through. So I was like, I can make fun of it, but I also kind of believe it. So I was in that space for Gods at heart. It was like God's throne stuff. It you, I definitely felt like it came from on high, like I have this cancer because I'm going to show that I can overcome it. Like I had a kind of childlike destiny thing about it. Anyway. Then after that, I went through a terrible breakup.
I had a guy that I really thought I was going to have a family where I. Wait a second, Julia. Is this the guy with guns under the bed? Oh. I never liked that guy. I never met that guy. You were saying that he had rifles under your bed, and I just. I remember you talking about. I said I was like, Jesus, this isn't it. Did he try to get you in the guns now? I'm sorry, Julia. Go ahead with the story. Well, how? Why? So I know actually, one of the biggest mysteries in my life
is why I cared so much about him. Hmm. You know what? I think it's because he is. He's from Idaho, and he was real Idaho kind of guy. And there was something about going through the cancer and losing my brother, my parents that made me feel territorial and tribal, even though he was raised Mormon. But were from the same part of the world. We see the world this way. He's like one of those guys.
Yeah, like now I look back and I think of all the big relationships I've had, which is probably only like three or four. Mm hmm. Me, too. The one that broke my heart was that guy. Oh, yeah. It's like that date was if you lined up these people. Fortunately, I'm with the most appropriate person. I think I just had to get to a certain age where I could identify somebody who was right. Oh, yeah. But of the other people, he was the least right person. Yeah. Yeah. But in any major. Yeah, like in.
The idea that I was just going to lay down my life for this guy, and then he it was because I wanted to adopt and he didn't want to. Oh, so it was a big fight over kids, but I think you know. Huh? Yeah. He stuck with this guy. Oh. I'd be parenting with somebody like that, which he wasn't terrible. He's a nice guy, but just not appropriate to me. Yeah. In any way. couldn't keep up with me mentally, which is okay, but not by that big of a margin. Right?
Where you have to explain every single thing. Yeah. And He broke my heart and it took me like a year to get over it. Like I had nine months where I was like, I really was the biggest depression. Like, I couldn't function. I was like I couldn't get over it. I couldn't believe it. Couldn't get over it. and I didn't have a uterus. I wanted to be a mother very badly. so it just seemed like the end of the line. And and I have this religious experience. I was praying a lot. Huh?
And I have this religious experience where I felt like God came into my bedroom, not like a person, but like a like a spirit or something. And something physical happened to me where I knew I was over it. Oh, nice. So I was like, and it felt like God was saying, You're going to be okay. And this is all like part of a plan and this is okay. That's really big spiritual. Well, something happened to me. It wasn't just a feeling. It felt physical. Wow. And I knew I was on the other side.
I knew is going to still be hard. I'm going to cry a lot still. But I was past the worst of it. It was like nine months, so it was really like a year altogether to get over this guy. Yeah. And then I was like, I guess I should be religious now because I have this experience and I guess God wanted me to be a Catholic because that's where I was born. Ha ha. Ha. So I started going to St Monica's and also was going to Al-Anon meetings there, which is another part.
My family is filled with alcoholics. Um. So I was going to L.A. meetings, going to see Monica's, and then they had a Bible study class, and I was like. Well, you know what? It's time for me to. Read the Bible. Oh, wow. I've been relying on. All these geniuses to tell me how true every Yeah, yeah. Thomas Aquinas and Dustin. But, you know, it's like, really? What do you got? So you has. Yeah. Thomas Aquinas Yeah. So I this Bible study class and that was really the beginning of the end, like.
Actually read the Bible. It was like, Wait a minute, Wow, this is the evidence. Yeah, this is yes. And then it was like, Oh my. God, this is really a house of cards. Like, Yeah, this is really based on nothing and authority. So then I started looking into it and then that made me discover science. Then I started understanding what was happening in my brain, which is I had a right frontal lobe seizure, probably which is similar to epilepsy.
But you can have those if you're in really terrible emotional pain. Tell me about it. Oh, wow. I don't know that that's what happened, But then I started studying that. So then it was like, Oh, I know what happened to me. That wasn't God. It was just my cultural upbringing and my worldview made me think it was God. But actually a physical thing happened to me. Mm hmm. So then I understood that. Then I was like, Well, is there even a God? Then I couldn't stop reading.
Then I have like two years of like. There must be a God. Oh, God. And then it was just finally there's just no evidence. And finally I just had to say, okay, there is no God, I don't think there's a God. I don't think there's any evidence for God. And then it was just kind of starting life over. Yeah, I had a Ukrainian Orthodox Christianity. I was like, Santa Claus is mostly he had amazing stories, but He was talking about ghosts.
his personal definition of a ghost was that like when, you know, we're electricity, your body is electrical, right? That when you go through a traumatic event, you're high energy, right? And you're more electrical, your brain is burning off your heart is your nervous system, so that hauntings and things were an electrical like residue, so to speak. Anyway, he's explaining to me we're at Red Lobster and I just feel like that DB bonk his whole face.
Yeah. Mean, it was like, so yeah, we're all electricity, so anything spooky is just. Sort of putting a scientific spin. On it. Yeah, I can't explain why that's wrong, but I know my husband. Will be like, That's right. He would go, Oh, that is such a horseshit. Yeah. I'll try to explain away. Right. That has No, is not that. But that's what I thought he. Was like I think to go, oh, we're not electricity by the way. Ha ha. I really like the voice of reason here. That's my God. We need like.
I think I remember, like in eighth grade, finding out about spontaneous human combustion. You'll have to ask your husband about that, too. I'm sure he'll say that's bullshit, too. Which is the book where there's somebody spontaneously combust. And one of them, I think. Cat's Cradle. Maybe. Oh. It's not like that was bigger. Yeah. Yeah, it is compressed. Yeah. I thought, okay, now I have a way out. I kept thinking, That's how I'm going to go. I must come by. Yeah, Like an Inside Edition.
Like A Current. Affair. Yeah, that. Became like a it's like the UFO's now. It's like, Oh. Yeah. I'm so shocked. Like, because I feel like that's sort of related. Just like religion never backs of aliens because I feel like that debunks God. Even though they are saying that a supernatural being came down and focus on by the of thousand pregnant. I mean they are kind of aping those stories. Oh yeah. That the Northstar was a UFO. Uh my read it theory that yes that that the three Sure.
Right. That that was a spaceship. Yeah. Yeah. Oh I like that. It's a. Christmas Carol. as a writer What's your practice. Because I feel like your brain is firing off all the time. I saw you, you said laziness was your thing, but I thought you. I got ready for you. Like, I have no idea what I'm doing. And then you killed. Oh, you're so sweet. No, but, like. I'm. Well, right now I'm writing a book, a fiction, a novel I'm reading, you know? Yeah. I'm just at the beginning.
But it about the death of Cass Elliot from the moment. Oh, right. Okay. And I've been working on it for years now. Yeah, but it only became a novel in the last three months. And it really came because I was doing another pass on the screenplay. And then I thought, I'll just write it as prose. And it just came to life for me like it. So it was like, Oh my God, this is what it wants to be. Oh. I really felt strongly that. And now it's like, I can't even imagine a screenplay. It's a book.
And how did you get interested in that? In The Mamas and the Papas? during the pandemic, I watched this documentary called Laurel Canyon. MM There was two different one one the what's his name was the host of this song after Bob Dylan. Who's Jakob Dylan. Yes. Okay. And that one was terrible. Oh, okay. And then there was this one, this Australian woman called Laurel Canyon. It was in two parts. 2 hours. Uh huh. And I knew all that stuff? Vaguely. Yeah, but I didn't just.
It blew my mind to watch it. So I was kind of in love with the whole Laurel Canyon. Oh, yeah. Folk rock scene. And. And the Doors were right there and all that stuff. Yeah. Stuff. And then, of course, Mama Cass house was really like, you know, like they called her the Gloria Steinem of that era coming to her house, and she's putting people together that were forming bands. And, oh, I didn't know that. I guess I just got excited about Cats earlier.
So then I started reading about her, and then I had this kind of concept for her, you know, like when you go through your whole life, when you die. Hmm. If she's, like, wakes up in the middle of the heart attack that she had and she goes through her life, and then we see that life. But then that became more complicated. And now that's what it is. It's has supernatural elements in it and it has magic in it.
And it's kind of like imagining if the 10 minutes that you still have consciousness between a massive heart attack and death were just this crazy LSD trip of your life, that's what it is. Oh, that sounds great. Yeah. I mean, it's I don't know if that's great. I have, 60 pages of it and plus, like three screenplays that are like, hundreds of pages long that I couldn't fit everything in, that I wanted to fit in. Yeah. And and then I realize when I write a book, I can just go anywhere.
Oh, yeah. Worry about it being important. Like, I had to cut so many things about her childhood that are so important and interesting. Mm hmm. Like that. She's like, when she was 18, she went to New York. She decided she shouldn't even graduate from high school. She's just going to go to New York. Her parents were upset and she auditioned for the musical I'll Sell It to You wholesale with her and Barbra Streisand auditioning together, sitting in the waiting room
together, both 18 years old. Wow. And she had me here for Streisand singing behind the door, auditioning for this part. But she got come and then cast had to go in afterwards. Ooh. And she did it. She did a crazy thing. She took all her hair and put it in front of her face and put her like she did. She had this crazy reaction to it and still she still. Carefully you can say, Yeah. But like, stuff like that, like these little dumb, uh, history and stuff like that. Have you always been
kind of obsessive or. no. But I was like her. Yeah, I remember when she died, So she. Died in 1974, July 20. Nine. Oh oh. Or her birthday. Go ahead. I don't know. Yeah, like. Before those Mick Jagger's birthday because he was turning 32 and she went to his birthday party. Uh, people saw her. Yeah. Wow. And they think she took drugs there. She was. You know, she had a lot of problems with drugs. A lot of. Things.
But they think she probably did heroin and LSD, but she died of a heart attack that was from many reasons. Sure. So I loathe the rumor about her or her death. I know I love you. Know, they put that out there because they were trying to take away from the drugs. Oh, oh. Died like, all these rock and roll people had just died of drug overdoses and they didn't want her to be in that category. So they made the family. Yeah, I know. Let's see. She's fat. So she probably choked on food.
Yeah, I, I was in a. There was a sandwich firepit but it was not eat. Whose. He doesn't have a sandwich by their bed. I know I, I always tell get where you please do the dishes. Take them out of the bed sandwich away. I was in a rap group called Show Me Tiger. And with the two female front women and we all have rap names. And mine was Mama Cash. Uh, choked on money. That was cute. But nobody knew who Mama Cass was, right? Yeah. So I have to explain my fucking name, everybody.
that I want to write about, nobody knows. About this event. Yeah, They're. Like, You're not. No one's going to be. Like, wait a second to it. But Cass Elliot has a daughter, doesn't she? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Have you talked to her? No, I haven't. But I've watched every interview with her on YouTube. There's a lot because I actually tried to Phillips. I was like a YouTube channel. Oh, she recently interviewed her. Oh, wow. I've read everything I can get my hands on. Oh, okay. She doesn't.
I don't you know, she was seven when her mom died. And so it's a big deal to Cass is thinking as she's dying. But since my story is so made up, it's not that necessary. Mm. She did give in interviews. I've seen really great information that I'm putting in the book. Like the last time she saw her mom, she was on a plane flying to her grandmother's house where she was going to stay while Cass went to London to do her show. Mm hmm.
And Cass was behind this fence, and she was on the plane, and they were right into each other. And that's her last image. Oh, okay. She's seven. Hmm. Anyway, so right now, because I'm somebody who can do research for the rest of my life. Mm. And never stop and. Right. Yeah. So I've been doing it like I have a whole bookshelf that is just about all the moms and lovers, everybody around, everyone she knew. And I could just spend my life reading those books. Oh, yeah.
99 and then never have written the script or the book. So now I have a new challenge for September that every morning I just kind of have coffee and write for at least an hour. I can keep going. But. But I can stop after one hour. So I put my timer on, and even if I go to the bathroom, I have to pause the timer and then I'm just in the thing writing. so now it's been five days. I'm impressed. Know. But it really is hard.
It seems so small, but actually it's hard to just do that because I always want to go. I was like, Well. I think I'll do yoga where you don't have to run. An errand. And before I write, I have to write my journal like, I have a million excuses before I write. it's also closest to when I've been sleeping, which I feel like is closest to the muse, You know, like you're closer to the spark. I'm like, Just get up and go and just get one hour. And yeah, this morning, because I went to bed at 8:00.
Yeah. Wow. At 530 I started my hour, so and then at 630, actually all the other days I longer than an hour. But this morning I wanted to work out, so I stopped at 630. I still had a full workout and I feel really good like I feel like I'm on my way. But it's a struggle to get me to actually do it. Yeah, I can talk about I feel like I was going on.
I can research it till the cows come off, but to actually not just get it on paper, but shape it into where somebody could look at it and it's actually accumulating into a finished thing is very hard for me Does it help to have like a centered topic like, you know, like cancel it and then you can just write every morning or. Yeah, yeah. Right now. Because, you know, some writers have to make a strong outline. Then they write about, Yeah, those are better people than me.
I but I kind of rely on where I'm going while I'm writing, right? I'll just start writing and see where it takes them, like they're making it up as they go. Mhm. So I'm trying to do kind of a hybrid but I'm more of a write as you go person. But if you're as a write as you go person for everything, you're going to write way more than you need to. I'm going to write three times more than you'll ever need. Mm hmm. So I don't like that idea either. Yeah. Outline.
Want to know where you're headed To write? Very, very loose outline. because it's the only way to get myself to write, to let myself just write. Brianna, to sit and think, well, what should happen in the second act before the third act? Like I hate that so much. So I'm just writing. that's kind of a religion. Yeah, it. Is. Yeah. In these rituals. Yeah, it's good. Yes. Yes. This has been fantastic. Yeah, this has been great. You're so. I love seeing you. I love you.
I'm so glad you're here. I appreciate it. Whenever you were on stage, it was like it just lit up. Oh, thank you. And vice versa. Right Back at you. And right back. At you. And Julia. We'll have to get together over a map and you can show me where things are. If you wouldn't mind, I can ask you. Okay? Okay. 95. Or you can take the five and you just drive for 20. Julia, I don't even. I don't even. I don't. I don't get on the freeway when I drive. Because I love it in Ireland. Yeah, yeah.
Country road from Clifton to God. I'll just be on a bicycle going nowhere, and that's fine with me. I was like, That's it? Yeah. Like, I get really, really Like Michael always goes, You know where how I know where to go. Looking to see where you turn. It's the opposite. Oh, my God. This picture, it says it made you. I always go immediately go in the wrong direction. Like it's turned around. Instinct to go the wrong way is absolutely perfect. I just know the wrong way to go.
That's exactly how I am, too. I said I could walk out of a building and be anywhere. I was like, I don't know. We do. Yeah. I guess we shouldn't go somewhere together. But I. We need a man to show us the way. You are so cute. I mean, Julia. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I like. Oh, you're going have to come over again. Okay. I want you to take both. No, it's the same side size. Oh, you don't have to just take. Well, they're both great, but. Just take this one. Yeah.