Hey, what's up. It's the trilog bun b. This is What's on Tap Radio with James Simpson. It's going down. Okay, welcome back to What's on Tap Radio. I'm very excited because I have some really special special guests in studio back. It's been like what a few months. Yeah, Independent Brewing Company, Amy Cartwright, Stephanie Meyer, welcome back to the show. We had so much fun with you guys when you were back in here in November. How to glad to have you guys back in studio here and
now, Yeah, I've got a lot to get to. I know we've got some beers in front of us, but I told you when we were off the air, and some really hard hitting questions, some questions that have m making me nervous. Sparked a lot of feedback on our on our social media, which we'll get to here in a second. But uh, I got scoop here that I'm very excited to talk about. But we'll get that to that in a second. But you said, yes, we start with
I don't want to butcher the name. I brought a special little beer called geister Zoo. Geister Zoo, which is a coach so we took the name inspiration from a special event they do in Cologne, Okay, the birthplace of Colch and so on one of the nights of their big carnival, they do the ghost train the geister Zoo. Is that what it means? Ghost train? Yeah? Okay, in a geister zoo. Okay, geister Zoo, geister zoo. Okay, yeah, because when I what happens is next week
when I'm talking about the beer, I'm gonna butcher it. When Amy's not in studio, you can just be like, hop upboard the ghost train. Here you go and on the label it's got a cool little train with a skull in the front of it. And uh, I feel like I mean to me every year or every time the season is Cole season. But now that the months are getting a little warmer, that you know, people start switching from stout stouts and so forth. But how you how you been great?
Great, good good spring so far? Yeah? Driving in you gotta love those feld to blue bonnets. I think about driving from Austin to Houston, as all the fields, right, and they're like weeds or something, right, they grow like weeds. Even though it's the National flower. I still love it. My grainy s to send me Texas Highway Magazine. Really
a blue bans there's a not to get off the beating track. But I drive to Dallas a lot and a milad marker two one one was my favorite mild marker because you go over this overpath and before there was this giant land and blue bonnets which is grow and it looked like a blue sea. Yeah yeah, but then they like built like a warehouse there now storage. Yeah, it's a storage, you know. So there's like they took away where
it was this beautiful like it should have made like a historical landmarker. I don't know, but like, yeah, but when you drove over, it's just beautiful blue bonnets, but now it's a stupid ugly warehouse. Yeah yeah, but you know it is blue bonus season, but it's also cool season. And so tell us a little bit about this geister zook. So with the zook, the geister Zoo, it just really went pretty traditional. Uh it is um it's just a very traditional coal so just designed to be light
crisp. It's a traditional noble hops. So for my listeners that don't know what a coalshes, what's it. What's a coal? So how can you explain that coals to him? Well, so coal should be lighter. I mean, if you look at this, it's light straw in color, so it's a lighter malt um. You know you want it to be finished, dry and crisp. But um, it's actually a weird hybrid because its ferments. As you know, it starts off cold fermentation. But it's actually an
alias. So yeah, it's really good. What's a ABV on this? It's hitting right around five? Right around five? Okay, I like it? And so this is new? Is this a season or it's a spring seasonal season? And this is the first time you've done it? Yeah? Yeah, so uh, our headbrew Brandon Radiki had worked on he'd been reading about. He added some thoughts on how to do a little bit unique taste on his own version on a coal shian Um, so you can't spill all
the beans. But you know something he'd been wanting to work on for a while. And it's just nice to have seasonal releases, so you can just do something for fun, all right. But ghost train guys, your shoogoo, all right, So I told you I have a list of questions,
I want to throw your away. And so the first question, and this has have been a hot topic on What's on Tap Radio lately, what is your opinion or what do you think is one of the let's let's say top three, top three, and Stephanie you can jump in on this as well. Underrated beer styles Top three Underrated beer style, Underrated beer Styles. I mean, I'm not going to do an order prayer. Yeah you don't have
to. And I did that too because chat through that chat through that at me, and I was like, I don't know if I can listen in order, but I'll do three. I think just paleo, like nice pale ales that was on my list. You know, I do love a good Chris Paleo that's you know, not too not too high alcohol, um and sort of in that same vein. I just feel like that, you know, um, oh god, let's see, just like you know, some of the lower abb styles. So I'm trying to think of you before you
jumped the next one. The palel so I said the same thing. I said the same thing, the good old traditional palout. But I feel like when session IPAs came out, they kind of like, hey, we'll take it from here at Palel, and then Palels were like, okay, well we got a good run. And I think that what's difficult about it, even if we enjoy making them and drinking them, is that I would also just say in retail, you know, people really are like, oh,
it's not sellings like I'd rather carry IPAs. So there is a little bit of like the retailer dynamic that can also lead to it just not being available. Yeah, you know, And so then people are like, oh, it reinforces everything's got to be IPA. Everything's IPA now, Amy Cartwright, sevny Meyer here Independence Brewing talking about underrated beer styles. You said the Palel, what else you got? Um, okay, hold on, I know
I told you it's a hard hitting questions. Um well, I would just say that I've been asked this quite a bit from people that, you know, you have fans of certain beers, you made them want you to bring them back, And I would say that even though it's not a you know, necessarily a favorite of mine, the black Ipa people Black Ipa I kind of feel like in the last year they've kind of made a resurgence with the Cascadian Dark Ales yeah, I know Stone came out with they re released their
black IPA and then a few other like hound Song has a really good black ip I don't know if you've had that one, but I agree with you black IPA. I think the third has got to be Hellis just likes logger. I think in Austin it gets a lot of love, like everybody's like, yeah, I mean we have ABG and the whole hell Loss project,
right everything. So, but I don't feel like it's just widely understood, like people will often say, oh, well, you know, I like loggers, and you're like, yeah, Hellis is a logger, right U. And it's okay to explain it to them. But you know what I mean, It's just I think people don't generally know my favorite beer's logger. Okay, yeah, all right, so you said black eyepa, um, hellas logger and so yeah, three underrated that was what we're going for.
Oh yeah, three are you? I mean you can throw it more if you if you want. I mean, Stephanie, do you have any thoughts on underrated beer styles? A good like crisp check Pilsner. Yeah, um, you know, nice and dry. I love a Baltic Porter, and I don't think people talk about I don't enough no refreshing it is for a darker bear, how light you know. I think it's maybe misunderstood. And it's also you know, when I get it's a logger, so it's harder
to make. Yeah, short spears um, so like a good awesome short spirit. Yeah, guys. At the in the tap room, one of our newbrewers, Nick made an alt that just was so damn good and but lighter than what I anticipated. And it's like, man, I don't know the last time I had an alt on tap. Yeah. That was another one that comes up every now on the alt beers. Yeah, and I think my third would have to be a roush a roush beer, Okay,
like a good smoke yeah, just done right. Vector out of Dallas is doing a really cool smoked four that's like oddly addicting when you when you have it, but you know they have it, they have a place. But I think that I think that nobody talks about them and uses them, especially in like food pairing. Okay, right, that they could so he said, check Pilsner, this Roush beer and the Baltic Porter and yeah, Baltic
porter is another one that pops up and listen. I don't feel like a lot of Texas brewers mess with a Baltic porter, which I think, uh, I mean, put me on the spot, don't. I can't think all top of my head. But but yeah, they're not very many Baltic porters don't see it very often now, you know. And it's funny, very popular, and they're hard to make, they're expensive, and they don't the consumer doesn't necessarily understand. I'm like a black I pa, you know
right, I talked about amber beers. So I feel like amber beers are very underrated. It was like ten years ago brown ales, Amber ales, but they're just not talked about anymore, and so much that like I don't know if you saw that fat tire new Belgian fat tire is now getting an identity change, right, and so that's going away is because consumer shifts.
Well also they reformulated, though it isn't just the identity. But I think for us, even though if people don't talk about it a lot, we I mean we have Austin Amber. It's been a beer we've been making for a really long time now, I like five but I would say that. I mean, we still it's still like neck and neck is our number two
slot, is it? Yeah? It is very I think the one complaint we got was when we just stopped doing bottles at all, because we did we used to have amber in a long neck and there's definitely some diehards that like ambers that are like the bottle, I'm on the long neck, right, you know, So that was really hard just moving away from that. But yeah, our Austin Amber has actually been one of those beers that it has also traveled well, which kind of defies convention because people up in Dallas
they're like, yoh, I want to see what's from Austin. Everyone's like, even if Houstonians sometimes want to hate hate on Austin tepit, it's like people still like stuff from there. They're like, oh, give it a try. Yeah, is that the beer that you guys um do for the big game up there between Ou and Texas And so originally it was for a long time, but then we actually for a couple of years did a special
like a light creamail. Okay, the guys really wanted just to go even lighter than our Native Texans, so we did that and then so kind of tried to make it lighter. I think, when you know, Ambers just a little bit too hefty for tailgating. Yeah. When I first got into craft beer, I've hated Browns and I hated Ambers. But now as I got older, I'm not you know, get off my long guy. I enjoy a good Amber. Now. I don't know if my palace just mature, but now that it has, I see less and less Ambers on the
shelves. So I also think though Viennis Dialoguer has done Maltier like it's a good a good uh, you know, approximate If you like Ambers, I would try that too. Yeah, Ambers are good. I don't know, just make does my humble opinion? All right? H Next question, Okay, so you paid your tab, but you're at a restaurant or a bar. You paid your tab, how long do you sit at the bar or at the table before you leave? Oh? Well, I generally tend just to leave pretty soon, like within five or ten, you know, five
minutes or so. I don't know. By the time you pay, it's like you're leaving. If you're not, then you order something else until you're you know, I don't know. I guess you're at. What you're sort of implying asking is like how long is it okay to occupy a space if you're not actively consuming? And so I would just think that, I mean, having worked in um, you know, service industry and understanding just what is going on in that person's life, it's like you need to like make
that space available. So if it was like a table at a restaurant, there's always the option of moving to the bar or sitting outside for a minute if you need to chit chat or use your phone or whatever. So I think pretty like within minutes, okay, minutes like you're saying like ten minutes, like five minutes, oh, five minutes, you're going five minut Stephanie, what do you say sitting at chat? You pay your tab? How long you uh out the doors? We're signing the check, Like when we
get the check, it's it's time to go. Okay that reason Amy said, like, you know, within minutes. Like one thing I think is different though, Like let's say you're at a coffee shop where it's really chill, like really open and people are just milling, you know, there's no pressure for the space. I think that's a little different. So in Michigan, like, people are notorious for paying their tab and just camping camping, and so we got in a little bit of a discussion about you know,
you pay your tab. You know, even though the waitressing waiters are always so nice, hey, you know, take your time, even though they say they say to take your time, don't take your time. But people just camp out and people feel okay with it. Oh yeah, okay, well you said that, then no, yeah, we'll just go ahead and hang out. The cafes are for but you know, you're hanging out a restaurant and they can turn that table into another. But I've seen it on
the opposite end. We're eating and you're trying to bust the table and drop off the check when we're still eating. Yeah, I've been there before. Like I'm um, well, okay, so we're eating crawfish and you know they drop the check off, Like, well, I was gonna order more, but I guess we're gonna gotta go. So all right, I said about fifteen minutes, I said, enough to finish your drink. Because if I pay for a beer and then okay they bring it to me, you
shouldn't be chugging it. No, no, but you know i'll pay, I'll take a beer and then bring me my check. So I just say, you know I've finished your beer? Yeah? Is that rude? No? Okay, no, absolutely, especially with the alcohol. You need to you know, you're in charge of your body. You've got to figure that out for yourself. Okay. Now, I'm sorry to think I was like she said, five minute. God damg, I'm rude. All right? Uh? Can we crack another beer? Yeah? Before I throw another?
I don't know? You tell me. You guys got a we have a secret. Are we to talk about the secret? Yeah? No, I was just making it. But if I've had bruise on before him, We're like, we can talk about this affair. Yeah. No, this is a good secret. We want getting out. I want to taste that one next to go for og. I want to taste Okay, So why don't you I can't sell it as well as you can or Stephanie can, so tell us what this is? You know, every so often we want to,
you know. So our flagship IPA stash IPA. It's known for its lovely dankness and citrusy quality and so kind of just to celebrate certain reaching a Milestone with that brand and making the same beer for the better part of you know, twelve years now. We made an extra special version of it,
a secret stash I brought. I brought a different glass for this one, very limited edition stash in which, you know, we really want to showcase some innovative hop extract technology that our friends at HOST let us play around with. So you know, on the h in our hop editions we've got and a product from them called Incognitoes addeded just a Centennial extract to the whirlpool. So you know, our whole thought process there is adding extra flavor and aroma
hops bring on the dankness of Centennial. And then on the cold side, um, they have something new called Spectrum and it's just a it's a type of hop extract. So we really wanted to enhance the citra aspect of Stash. So that's what we got. All right. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna open and crackt. Wow. That smells good, y'all, y'all, let you pour, and then I'm gonna just do the rest I mean, sorry again. Hanging out in studio Independence Brewing from Austin, Texas.
Amy cartwright Stephanie Meyer, answering the hard hitting questions and uh oh this is a little bit of a lighter color than I was expecting. Well hm, okay, so uh yeah, I was thinking it's gonna be more of a I was thinking it was gonna be more of a darker Just can this this morning? Oh that fresh several hours ago? Oh you can't get more fresh than that. She waited until it came off the canning line before she had a to Houston this morning. Oh wow, And I appreciate you, thank
you, Amy. Wow that I wish I had a candle that smell like this. I'm a big candle I'm a big candle guy. Yeah, I'm a huge candle guy. It's just that combination of resine citrusinus. It's so good, Amy, that's good. Yeah. The finish is really nice. Yeah wow. Okay, So so this is a limited edition you said, secret stash IPA and double dry hops. Yeah, just playing with more and new ways of doing hops. I'm a fan. I mean not that I wasn't going to be, because I've always been a fan of Stash. I
have a rich history of a stash. Yeah. Um, but wow, that's that's really good. And I know people are saying, God, James, you're just saying that because they're in studio. Shut up, No, there, it's really good. And uh, okay, what's ABV on this one? Six point five? Okay? I like this? And will this be available? So yeah, it's going to be shipping out. Our distributors to be picking up next week and we'll just be trying to make sure to
get it to different pockets pockets of Texas. And it's a limited run. Yeah, it's a sixty barrel batch. So it's just a single batch that we did. And um, like I said, it's really about exploration, like you have to continue just to see what you know, all these hop growers and processors are, you know, spending a lot of their energy and R and D trying to figure out how to make it to where we get better flavor and more enhancements out of all these things. So it's exciting to
work with them and just see what we can do. Wow. Yeah, I um, I'm speechless. I don't really know what to say. I don't I mean, I don't know what to say. I'm just glad I got to bring it to you. Yeah, I'm I'm happy I don't have a a I'm happy I don't have a co host yet took it and put it in his car and said, what secret stash? Because that's happened before.
I don't know if we have new listeners. But once upon a time, Stephanie, I mean no Amy, Amy came in studio and she brought some ash and we had a former co host and he secretly took the stash and uh put it. I guess she sta stayed away and then he left us one um like one one stash. And so Stephanie, another hard hitting question for you. Okay, okay, drunk shopped? Drunk shopped? Have you ever had a few beers, had a happy hour and then jumped on
Amazon and purchased Oh I thought you were gonna be like grocery shop. Well that too, we'll get into that too. We'll get into that too. Look at Brian holesen coming in KPRC Channel two. Is this a fresh glass right here? Yeah? Here grab that, Brian Holsen. Oh, we're sorry, we got a new secret stash right here. Okay, drunk shop, So you've had you went to happy hour and then got on the Amazon and started purchasing things weirdly enough to not do that. I'm like, nope,
I'm not even gonna go there. I don't I don't get on that because I was like, I don't want to be trying to remember what I did. So you never you never gone the happy hour and a little liquid courage. You're like, you know what's been in my cart? I'm thinking
pull the trigger? Get that? No? Really, okay, it's probably I mean in my earlier career before beer, you know, I worked on shopping carts and early web stuff, and it's like, no, I just know, it's like all that stuff can be I already have enough vices. I don't need to be addicted to shopping. Yeah, so no too much online shopping. So one of three people say that they have drunk shop before.
Yeah, now going to the grocery store totally different. All right, let's talk about Okay, let's talk about the grocery store because a lot of times you're hungry. Yeah, well, they say, never go to grocery store hungry. Yeah, well I think that sort of like the drunk shopping is sort of like being hungry at the grocery store too, you know. Yeah, so uh, you know, getting a ride there, You're like, also, don't have to be that responsible, you know what I mean.
If you're drunk and you're somebody else took you to the grocery store, you're like, you're just milling around like everything looks good. That's where I would spend too much money in that scenario, because it's like, you, what about the what about what about the seven These grocery stores have bars at them and they serve beer, like Whole Foods Foods did that guilty of having a beer, having a pint? And you know, we used to have to do pint nights bars like that. So I'd say that's the only time
I really felt that way. I don't know, I don't really buy pin some beer while I'm shopping and walk around. I don't really do either. But I got a lot of emails from listeners that said that they've been guilty of that. I mean, I could see the appeal. It's just something like I've just never done because it's like I've been always been on the other side, like serving the beer. Stephanie, are you guilty of having a few beers and going you know what, Okay, I'll take that. Oh
yeah, and I forget yeah, that's what normally happens. That's a normal And then all of a sudden you get a you get a notification that you have a delivery, and you go, oh, yeah, what's the biggest purchase that you've You've bought maybe a few beers, and a very expensive piece of furniture showed up. I remembered that I bought it, but I played dumb until it came and it was well, that was that was on the
list of purchases that people buy after consuming. It's furniture. Yeah. So yeah, and they said the average is about they spent about three hundred dollars. Oh, I wish it's only three Yeah, So I'm guilty of this. I am. So I'll put things in my cart and then I'll go. This happened a few weeks ago. A buddy of ours had a fortieth birthday party and we went out for it and had some beers, and I
came back. Actually Brian gave me a ride home that night, and I came home and everybody had already went to bed, and so I'm I'm on the couch and I'm just going through Amazon, and I had some stuff in my cart and I was like, you know, what I needed for my studio, and I ended up buying it and I forgot about it, and then they got delivered and so I just got I was like, Oh, how's anybody ever drunk shop before? Or you know, buzz shot whatever it
is. I get a lot of home organizing stuff too, Like I have a couple of cocktails or beers and I'm like, oh, I need to organize this, and then the Amazon boxes of organization stuff that, and then do you realize, like maybe I don't need this? Oh yeah. I would be the type so many returns if I'm looking at stuff on my phone, you know, I'm in that kind of zone, like I scroll way too much though, Like I'll just look at it forever. I'll like look
at options until I'm like I'm exhaustible going to bed. I wish I had the discipline to do that. I don't though I can't, especially especially when it stuff is like you know what, I kind of want that, all right. See. I'll wind up also, though, like trying to pick a show out like on Netflix or any streaming service. I'll just sit there looking forever, right, and then finally get tired and be like I'm going
to bed. So you said furniture organizing. What else? Wine? Because I can ship wine to to Texas, so sometimes I'll sometimes I'll do the wine. The wine. Yeah, she's got to scare look at her face, like, yeah, I'm expensive, expensive bottle of wine. The worst is I got I did some drunk shopping and then I went on a week trip oh Texas, and I came home and the show, like the shipping was yeah. Yeah, the entire dating room at table, it's covered.
My husband's like, is this like really the reality of Like yeah, so apparently, yeah, seventeen percent of Americans have m have purchased stuff after having too many beverages. But yeah, so apparently the biggest items shoes, clothes, accessories, food, and then some people bought things like cigarettes, gambling, and more alcohol. Yeah I could see gambling, feel good. But vehicle artwork, furniture in vehicles. I guess they did a carbona Carvana.
I don't know, but seventeen Americans, yeah, by a car. But yeah, seventeen percent of Americans have drunk shops in the past year. Okay, all right, speaking of wine being shipped, next question, there's this push grind now going right, now beers to you. Now, this is a they're lobbying right now for breweries to be able to ship beer directly to the consumer. Thoughts on that, Well, I think it should be because
why I can do it. I think it should be allowed, and that would be the rationalization is that we now have many years of history of wineries being able to have wine clubs and ship wine directs, so and it hasn't you know, there's you could have your point of view on what it is in the industry, but I think for consumers that you know, they want that ability, they would It's a lot more convenient to order something to be delivered to you from a brewery you might have visited while you were in a
trip and you're like, hey, I really like that. I'd like to continue to support them. You know, I really like their beer. You know, it's not like I'm going to drive three hours to Houston stop by that. You know the likelihood of that versus being able to order somem and getting it shipped your house. I think you'd have a dual benefit. Like the consumer, if they want something or they've heard about something, they want to try it, you know, they should have that ability to do that
easily. And then number two just it's I think it just like wineries seem to have this relationship with their customers, you know, because they had their members of the club and you just get to know them. I think that as a brewery, it would be awesome to be able to have that experience with people that just really enjoy your beer. I think, you know, one of the things that was really like a joy of self distributing, which is kind of hard saying that. I guess it's a lot of work.
It was you just spend so much time with your customers and you get to know them so well, and you know, you just had that direct relationship. And I think that ms aside from all the financial stuff, that would you know, benefit breweries. I think that, you know, I look to that it's like, you know, being able to get feedback directly from people buying your beer, what they like, if they had an issue.
You know. Just I think that goes it helps make us better. Independ is brewing in the house, Amy cart Rice steffy Meyer talking about beers, do you have gotten a lot of calls from people like, hey, can
I order beer? So our number one requested beer is high Boy. Oh yeah, I can see that people see it and they've heard about it, and especially like in groups where they're really trying to it's you know, those are all limited releases, the rotational nineteen twos, so people are trying to track it down and so you know, so you have one audience that's just like obsessed with double IPAs by and far, and then you have actually like
people that are in truck enthusiasts that you know, own a highbaway truck or go to those kind of meetups. And so there's actually a secondary fan base for us, which is like they own high Boys, like they love highway culture. And that's what's on the label. If you look at the Highways truck, it's a truck. Yeah, so there's one in there, yeah brought Yeah, oh look let's do that. So uh yeah. So this is all new to me because I wasn't aware that breweries couldn't ship, or
because I don't know, I just always assume that it could. I never really thought about it before. So I mean, I think a lot of it. What always helps me remember is like, okay, is the government getting their taxes? Like that's a pipe, you know, yes, or no, So it's like the problem with the current setup would be like I mean, first and foremost, there would just be that part of the transaction
it's legal at retail, like retailers can do it. So that's why you have the third parties that it cropped up like drizzly because everybody's getting right the government entities are getting their taxes in that scenario, Why do you think it wouldn't pass if they decided no, that's not a good idea. Why? I mean because in two thousand and seven I read that wine was you can ship wine. Stephanie was talking about how she's guilty of doing that after you
know, have a few drinks. But why why is do you think beer hasn't been at um what you know, behind the scenes, and you look at how the industry works in a state like Texas, you know, it really comes down to the three tier system. And you know, there's a lot of legacy and history of how the laws were written, especially you know,
post prohibition. So there's I think number one, there's just people who are opposed to beer to go. Are you know, concerned about their business that they've built up in their rights and you know, I think they also sometimes worry that it's going to trigger other changes that wouldn't beneficial for them. So you know a lot of times the tho those are the counter arguments that
will be presented, and I think that. I mean, I know a lot of wineries where they don't have the type of their distributor network that they work with is not as strong as the beer distributor network. So I mean it's a complex. It's more complex than it would seem. But I think the point is is that consumers don't really care and they want to get what
they want to get. You know. It's like, so we want to serve us our customer base, and in an era where beer sales are down, I think that overall, it's like we have to look at meeting people where they are, you know, and it's like even if so we have to figure out a way to work with both interests like that brewers and distributors and retailers all have to come to a scenario that they win. Do you think it will be passed eventually? I think it has a very strong possibility,
just because of I do think consumer sentiment. I mean, our representatives represent their districts, not just interests. So I mean, I think that it doesn't. It's just like when Growler stuff all got sorted out, like honestly, like in beer to go, like customers didn't understand. And especially because a lot of them, you know, a lot of people have moved to Texas in the last ten years, and so they might be from an area where the laws are very different, and so they're like, well,
this is dumb. Why can't we do this? Yeah, but I mean I do think that I would say, it's hard to say this year, I haven't. I honestly like there's a lot of Unfortunately, with the political system, a lot of things just don't get on the table. They don't get scheduled for votes, and they don't make it out of anything. So I think that's the one downside is that we have messed up property taxes and school districts stuff to sort out, you know what I mean. And this
think that there's bigger priorities, So it's hard to say. I feel like, I feel like this is a high priority. You know, I would somebody comes and visits Independence Brewery and they like the High Boy and they you know, they live in Michigan. They should be able to get it. Yeah. I think that also because there are seemingly third party networks that are doing direct shipping. You know what I mean. It's like think you were in an scenariose where it's not fair that you know, it's some but not
all, you know what I mean. It's like somehow some people are winning in that. All right, last question, I know you guys are busy. Last question thoughts on mixed twelve packs. Well, we have a mixed twelve pack. Yeah, it's done the same way. I think that what people don't necessarily understand about that is just that even at large scale breweries it's
hand packed. Yeah, because they're the technology of sorting to assemble a mixed twelve packs actually really complicated, and you know, a casebox erectors are notoriously for failing. So I am a huge fan of mixed twelve packs, huge fan, and I like mixed twelve packs for especially a family gathering parties. It's there's something in there, there's it's nice having variety. And so my question you is, how do you decide what beers will go into a mixed
twelve pack? Well, I'm gonna start if I was just going to put on my like Hey, I'm just a drinker hat for a minute. And it's like, I've always thought that it was pretty clever, like Shiner having like the Christmas pack, you know, but it wasn't all dark multi beers, you know what I mean. It seemed really well designed for like a
family gathering. So I think seasonality is nice when if you're big enough to pull that off, Like I do think that's a nice way like or hey, we're going to the beach, here's my beach pack or something, you know, not that we have. You guys are a lot closer to beach than Yeah, I am an Austin, but I you have the lakes out there though in Austin. Yeah, So I do think that as a consumer,
I really like when they can be tailored to the season. Um. But I also think just having um, you know, at least one offering on the lighter side. I like copy beers, so I would want more hoppy slot. I think years and years ago, we took this trip to Colorado before we started the brewery, and uh um, I want to say one of the brewers in Colorado had a mixed twelve but it was a mystery
pack. Oh and I was also we went in we're camping through Colorado, opened the damn twelve pack and it's all blonde except for like two IPAs, and I was like, rip off right one. Yeah, that was a negative experience with the mixed twelve. The mystery pack Mix twelve is no go Okay, it sucks. Good advice from Amy Cartwright of Independence Brewing Company. I can go on and on with you guys. What about you? What's your like perfect mixed twelve? My perfect mix twelve is a light to dark.
So if I can get maybe a couple um colchas maybe and then have it like added an amber an ipa and then I have like a stout and there. Yeah, just a couple across the board. Yeah, those are nice. Yeah, I don't know, but I found my h on a hoppy fixed where you know, I'll go grab a hobby mixed well pack and but I don't know. Usually I like the ones that have the variety styles,
the variety styles. But uh we we read on a trend that this is continuing to be a it's gonna want more popular where it just be like loggers and IPAs. Yeah, and I don't want to just loggers, but I want to mix in there. I would like, I know, you know, I want an amber in there or something. Even though yeah, I know, all right, I appreciate you guys want to do Yeah, okay, we do one more, but I know that, uh, I gotta go assume. But all right, this is the high boy Mosaic.
We can just drink it without talking about No, no, I want to talk about. I want to talk about. I have you guys here, and so I'm gonna I'm gonna do a Chris Brawley poor. I'm just kiddy a little behind the scenes. So I used to have a co host who would pour the whole his whole glassful and then hand the rest and then it'd be like no beer left. But I mean, this is a we got enough enough enough go Brian holes and hanging out with us as well. But
yeah, mosaic, this is more classic. It's definitely like the malt backbone that you expect when you're tasting a double ipa. So it's you know, definitely a little bit more on the golden dark range of color, and uh, mosaic just as a it's it's not super new anymore, but I think it's just a super popular hop it is so with this series. We just you know, a lot of times you want to design a beer just to highlight, you know, the particular hop we're working with, so tropical.
Yeah, it's interesting. I have to admit this one's kind of hard to taste now after I know, after the secret stash, I know, we kind of waiting. I know I would have fail here at studios. Oh there you go. All right, Um, Stephanie Amy, Independence Body, thank you guys for so much for stopping by studios. Always a pleasure of having you guys in. We can go on forever with you, guys. I have so many I have more questions, but we got we gotta go. But uh, let's do it again. All right, let's do it
again. If you're ever in the Austin area, stop by Independence Brewing. The hospitality, it's fun, an atmosphere, it's welcoming, it's welcoming. It's a weird welcoming place. It's a welcoming place. It is a welcoming place. And they've been around for how many years? Since two thousand and four. It's easier just to say that now. Instead they're trying to do the mass since two thousand and four, so they know a thing or two.
But again, thank you guys for stopping by the studio. I'm gonna take pictures of this and I'll post it to my social media and I you can get your hands on the secret Stash. Get your hands on the secret Stash. Hear it? What's on tap radio? We know two types of people, those you drink with and those that make you drink. Oh, your parents are coming for the weekend. Either way, we're drinking.