Agapi Stassinopoulos

own right. A gifted orator, a Goppy is a motivational speaker and the author of three books, most recently Speaking with Spirit fifty two Prayers to guide, inspire and uplift you. One of the things about understanding you and your work is to really dig into your philosophy on giving and receiving.

So I learned about the principle of giving and receiving from my mother, Ellie, who raised us, me and my sister in Athens, Greece, and she had an incredible I call it Greek hootspah about asking for help because she also had an incredible generosity. And I have a chapter in this new book called It's not a trade, It's an offering, Darling. Because I just sum it up her philosophy.

There was a time that we were at a cocktail party and in London actually where we studied, and a lovely woman said to my mother, Oh my god, I love your pearl necklace. It's so beautiful. And my mother took it out and said, here, now it's yours. And this woman said, oh my god, but you hardly know me. What can I do for you? And my mom that turned to her and said, it's not a trade, darling, it's an offering. And to me, that's the philosophy of how I was raised. It's not like I'll do this

for you, but what you do for me. And it's this unconditionality. It's what I think, really, Amy and Sam makes us feel very rich because a lot of times we, especially women, we don't want to ask because I think men are more ruthless about asking. We don't want to ask because we feel we should do it ourselves will

appear needy or weak. But my mother, when she took Arianna to Cambridge where she studied economics and I started acting at the Royal Academy, she went to everybody and said, do you know somebody who has been in the Royal Academy of Dramaticas that I can introduce to a gappy. And she she asked ten or twelve people till we found the person. And we went to meet the person soon and with such a Greek hoodspa as I said, She said, Reynow, his name was reyn Can you please

help a gappy get into the Royal Academy? But how did you do it? I was sixteen years old. I mean this, This man said, sure, I'll tell you, bang bang bang. The next thing, you know, five years later I was in the Academy. So that hospitality that she had gave her um the courage and the confidence to ask and to receive. And many times I tell the stories because you know, people suffered a lot from fear of money and not having money and feeling ashamed if you are in debt or you want to get something

but you don't have the money. And my mother went to her brother's, went to friends when she needed money. She would ask and then always paid back, but she had no shame about it. It's extraordinary to me, and to this day, I feel this freedom about money and there were many times in my life that I didn't have the money, and now friends would ask me out and say, I'll take care of you, And now I do the same thing for people. So that cycle of giving and receiving is what I call fundamentally trust in

the life and trust into the human spirit. No shame. Was there ever a time in your life you felt that you couldn't trust any human spirit that things would settle or get better and move forward. Yes, I had years and years because I started acting, as you know, and I have to tell you, and I'm very proud and kind of shameless about it. I'm an amazing actress. I mean I can blow your way by reciting Shakespeare, The Greeks Barnard Show, and if we had more time

on your podcast, I would be reciting like crazy. And I do it at dinner parties. I tell people you want me to ask for you, and I do this quick trudged de end, you know, emoting Joe Costa, and people say, oh my god, you're such a good actor. Should change you should what happened? I said, Well, what happened is I wasn't getting the parts for years and years. I was auditioning in Los Angeles, where I was living. After London, I went to LA to do a movie.

The movie didn't work out, and then I had what I called my epic drama of my ulysses of trying so many venues and and for years and years, my career wasn't happening. It was like wall hitting a wall, hitting a wall, hitting a wall, and uh, you know, Amy, That's when I really started to doubt myself. I started to doubt life, like this isn't happening? And what taught me? And what life taught me? Because you know life. Let me just say this to our listeners and please tattoo

this in your forehead. Life is for you. Life is for you. People think that life is against you, know you might have believes that life is against you, but you must reverse and that trust, the fundamental trust that no matter what happens. And I'll tell you another experience. After this, you go, what am I? And what am I here to learn? Am I learning patients? Am I learning how to find my confidence? Am I learning how to reroute? You know, like the GPS which is rerouting

this isn't working? And that creativity was awakened in me and I said, I had. I was suffocating. I was like, I'm not going anywhere, I'm not expressing. I'm a talented woman. What is going on? And I said, you know, I did a lot of in the work. Let me just say that also to our listeners, you got to do your inner work. Life does not come easy and does not really You don't get happy and fulfilled without the

inner work. So what does that mean. It means you study the teachers, You study with coaches, you study with um, writing things down. You find mentors who can teach you about yourself, what you know. If you have doubt self doubt, a lot of people are plagued by you. You go and you go, where did that come from? And you look at it in the mirror, and you're ruthless with yourself, you know. And and that's what I teach in my

seminars and in my books. Your story is so powerful, and in reading your books, I really loved how you married your personal story with your lessons, and I mean I found them so riveting and just so inspiring. And one of the things that was so interesting to me is your childhood. You grew up so modestly but with such an abundance of love. Is that what gave you

your confidence? Yes, definitely. And let me just I'll come right back to that sum just to finish how I got from the world not giving me what I wanted two saying I will find my spark. I will create a one woman show for a copy. I started to write all the monologues I loved, and I said, I am going to do the Greek Goddesses. It's gonna be called Conversations to the Goddesses. I'm going to launch it. I was living in Santa Barbara at a gallery of a friend. I'm gonna have all my friends come. I'm

gonna have my mother made Greek dinner. I'm gonna have a party. I'm gonna celebrate life. Excuse me, and f Hollywood. You don't want to I don't want to swear in your podcast. You can. I mean, I say, fuck it, fuck HollyHood. They're not getting a copy. And every speech you will hear of that. I've done every speech in my YouTube channels. If you go in my wake Up to the joy of View dot com, every single speech

I say. The world didn't give me what I wanted, not a career, not the man not the money, because I had to get a copy and then give it to the world. And once I got me, man, it was not stopping. It was like here I am unleashed, here's my heart. Whoever, I said, If I've gone through this and I broke free, I'm gonna have other people. And I have held so many people, my friends through saying let's find your spark, let's find your courage, Let's

not stay in the negativity, the depression and the defeating. Yes, Sam, my mother there showed me that my mother and I have endless stories about my mother where she was not afraid of life. She gave me an Arianna, this permission. She created miracles, endless miracles for us and infused us with this trust of life. She demonstrated it. Do you know what I mean? And and it wasn't a book, it wasn't words. It was like, right in the midst of adversity, my mother would rise up. Where do you

think she got that from? Not everyone is like that? Yes? Uh? And finally enough, Actually, I had a friend of mine was an actor, said to me, if I had your mother, I would have been mirror strip. And I said, no, if you had my mother, you would be you and totally loved being you because my mother never said to me, go be merror strips. She would say to me, you'd just be a copy, you know, you'd just be we we.

I hated math. I was lousy in math, and uh, every every day I used to pray my teacher would die, as if as if you know, well, if he died, they wouldn't bring another one. You know. I hated math. I thought, you know, have you ever been in face with something that you feel an incredibly inadequate? You know? I felt, this is crazy? What is algebra about? And my mother used to write me notes and let us saying, we didn't bring you here for the math. We brought you here for the joy. I have them. I still

have her letters. So that's If you have children, please don't compare your children to each other. Don't say, well, look at your brother, he's such a good um a student. Maybe your son is not an a student, maybe he's fabulous at sports, and maybe he's great at art. Not find the gift of your child and infuse that. Don't ever compare your one child to the other. Arianna was an incredibly brilliant student, as you know, I mean, a brilliant woman studied economy, said Cambridge with honors. I had

no idea about all that world. But my world was different. It was about connection and love and joy acting. And coming back to your question, Amy, where did my mother get it? Was that your question? Yes, I I really feel. Let me see. I'm going to call on my mother's spirit. She's totally here, hi, mom Ah. She said she was an advanced soul, doesn't make sense. She was an old soul. My mother also, I'm a very old sort old old, old old aldso and then their new beasts, you know,

their new souls who we must love and nurture. My mother was a very old soul, and she went through very difficult times. You know. She fought as a nurse the Second World War where the Nazis came in the Red Cross cabins. She was in the mountains in Greece, in northern Greece, and she was hiding Jewish people, of course, and they marched in with guns with the machine guns, and three machine guns burst in and started to shoot,

and my mother spoke German. She was a very educated woman, and she stood up and she said, put down the guns. You have no right to shoot with red Cross and she saw three machine guns go down, and she faced the Nazis face to face and said to me, after that, I was never afraid of life again ever, because the life force spoke to me. And this is what I

want to encourage Sam and Amy and our listeners. Whatever it is you want to say, say it, whatever it is you want to do, do it, whatever it is you want to you want to cry, cry, you want to shout, shout, find the ways out of your what I call your closed doors to yourself, because what causes us the down o entery g you know what I mean by the down energy when you start to feel down. What causes that is the unexpressed. If you want to dance, dance, whatever it is you need to do, to write it down.

I you know. In this new book, as you know, I have fifty two prayers on everything for those of us on YouTuber watching our YouTube channel. It's called Speaking with Spirit. It's a really beautiful book, but it's also a gorgeous gift book. Thank you, Thank you, Sam. I'm very proud of this book because um fifty two prayers to guide inspired and uplift you. Because I wanted to bring prayer down from the pedestal to our everyday life.

You know, prayer has a bit of a stigma. Oh I pray, I should go to the temple, to the church. I should um, you know, have a priest or a gathering. And I wanted to say, prayer is your intimate relationship with your spirit. You can pray anywhere, you can pray at any time. You can pray well, you're making your coffee, when you're getting dressed, when you're driving. It's your communion. And my mother taught us that because my mother used to say, our church is our home. Our communion is

eating together right now, and that presence. What prayer really is, my friends, is opening that awareness that we are being breathed right now right Nobody is making this breath. You can't make it, amy, I can't do it. Some can't do it. It is freely given to us. So every everybody right now, unless you're driving, please take a moment and focus on your breath. You can put your heart, your hand in your heart, and feel your breath. As I'm talking, just feel the rising and the falling of

your breath and come present. As my yoga teacher used to say, be in awe of your breath. Okay, and come present with your breath and ask yourself, oh my god, I don't even have to take my friend my breath. It is really given to me. And allow you know. Most of our interrupting that energy is that we live in our heads, we live in our thoughts, and we're not our thoughts, were not our emotions, we are not our circumstances. We are who we are beyond all that.

So when you come present to that, the spirit in you starts to awaken, okay, and starts to come. We put the the zoom light on it. We put the spotlight on the spirit. Okay. Not the amy story, not the sum story, not the gappy story. We've got the spirit. And the spirit is the same in all of us. And you put the spotlight there and you and you basically, if I may say so, you basically shut up, because we are going I'm worried about this, and I'm afraid

about it, what about this? And I didn't do this right? And we judge the hell of ourselves. We judge so much life, ourselves, each other. And you go, basta enough, no more, shut up. And as a beautiful monk said, he was praying to God, and he said, what can I do to serve you? What can I do to serve you? Can I feed the poor? Can I go you know, to Tibet and help people? And he heard the inner voice of God or whatever you call God, inner spirit, intelligence say shut up and let me love you. Okay.

So in that moment we open our hearts. Prayer is a heartfelt experience. We open our heart and you go, I want to receive. Now, I want to listen. That's what it's called speaking with spirit. It's not thinking with spirit. You speak it and you say, show me, show me what can I do about this or about my son or about my daughter? But my my my business? And you be and you are quiet, and you stay present, and you start to feel that you are not alone. You.

If there is one message that I want to communicate every single person who is listening, please open the door, whatever door you find inside of you, to know that you're not alone. Do it in the day, in the moment. It's not when you're wearing your Sunday best. It's not sitting on ceremony and people say, oh, I don't pray, I don't, I don't I feel silly when I pray, or well, you pray when you're in crisis, of course, but pray for everything, and don't pray only asking pray

to listen, pray for others. And now a quick break. So let's talk about your relationship with Arianna, your sister. It sounds like your mom lead an incredible foundation for that relationship and now you two lived together, which sounds so amazing. Her sisters to live together. What is that like? It's the Greek tradition. You get married, you get divorced, and you moved back with your family. I tell you how that came out in London when we lived when

we were both studying. We all lived together, my mother and my sister and I, and then we kind of we were this trio, you know, everywhere. We moved from London to New York and we lived together, and then we moved to Los Angeles and we lived together. And at some point my sister got married and she moved to Texas as she moved to Washington, but then she moved to Santa Barbara where she had her beautiful daughters. And uh, I was in and out of Santa Barbara.

My mother moved in with her to raise the kids. So you know, it's a very Greek habit, you know. And then there was a period in my life that I left I think, yes, I left Santa Barbara and went to New York to write my book, my first book, Conversation to the Goddesses. And I lived for eight years on my own, and Arianna was living with her husband and the children and my mother, and I lived on my own. And in that time I really formed my own confidence in my own self because I was so

emerged with my mother and my sister. And at some point, and I don't remember chronologically how it happened, my mother and my father died. My father was in Greece. My mother died in Los Angeles. Arianna then got divorced and was living in Los Angeles with my mother, and my mother died, and about six months later she was in l A. I was in New York. We missed each other terribly. We missed my mother, we missed my father. And Arianna said to me, Darling, where did you come

and live with me and the children? And uh and the children were young, and we need you, we need you, know, to be a family again. I was promoting my goddess as I was traveling everywhere, and we have a beautiful, beautiful house in l a that has enough room for everybody. And so that's how it happened. And then we had an amazing, amazing life. You know, I'm very very close to my nieces Isabella and Christina. I adored them and they called me their second mom. So it was like

it was never a decision. It was like in the flow of life. And then of course Arianna was running Huffington Post and we got an apartment here and again we were living together. It was like a natural flow. The girls were at college and we have our own lives, you know, obviously, you know, and I'm very very involved with Right Global, but you know, we know, we don't have dinner together every night, but we are together. You know.

It's like it's not like we flow together, like all right now, Arianna's in Los Angeles doing some of her things, and she's coming back here. Then she's traveling, so it's in and out. You know, we are together because we are. We have a partnership. I tell you, the most comforting thing is that we talk every day. We talk about everything about life. But Arianna can call me and say, oh this and this just happened. Can you call so and so and tell them about this great done you know?

Or can you make sure that when you go in the market you get fetter cheese? You know, it's like it's like it's like everything you know. Or she would say to me, you know, oh, I just met this person. I think they would be wonderful for your book. I'm sending an email to them. So we think of each other in our lives and that's the most beautiful. And and we send each other text about messages and I love you. We never finished a text without saying I love you. And I tell you the greatest secret that

Arianna and I have we pray together. So how do you resolve context with Arianna, with anyone with your nieces? Oh? Yes, the conflict is there all the time. I mean, disappointment is there all the time. First of all, the conflict

with other people. And you know, there are many situations where friends don't react the way you want to, or they do something that hurts your feelings, or um, you have a disagreement with somebody, And I think the most important thing is if you can come to accepting it and loving yourself, because the thing we do, we judge the hell of ourselves. Because when you're in judgment, you can't see the answer, the solution. Okay, and it would be I forgive myself for judging myself for this thing

that just happened. I forgive myself for judging myself for this disagreement. I forget of myself for judging myself for feeling out of balance. I've forgiven. And then you don't, you don't take you to sleep. You kind of release it. I have this great phrase, I love I'm letting go of this disagreement because you know, the disagreement is mostly the ego. Okay, the ego hurts, the ego fights. The ego says I don't like this, I hate this, I

hate you. I am right, you're wrong, you know. So if you can work with your ego and and surrender your ego, which is not easy, and you bow down, and if you have to ask for someone to say I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I yelled, I'm sorry, I was out of sorts. I let's bring back the peace and the loving and and that's one of the things I encourage everybody to do. But for me, you know, before before my book was coming out I and I was promoting it, and every think I got out of the blue,

I got singles in my right eye. I mean I got I mean it was horrific. It was like right in the middle, I just suddenly started to move in on me and uh, I mean you can see, as you can see, my eyes still not perfect. I'm still have my eye is still a bit swollen, but nothing like it was. So it was extremely painful. And here I am promoting the book about spirit and love and God. Right,

so I was mad at I was mad at God. Well, you know, you know a guppy I once had shingles, and shingles is really stress driven, and having a new book come out is one of the most stressful possible things. It sounds so romantic if you're not an author, but having a book come out is incredibly difficult. And so I'm sure that it was not a coincidence. It was the stress that was induced from it. Yes, thank you so much for saying that. And let me just tell you it wasn't just that I had just come back

from Los Angeles. I was like a kid in the candy store. I was going to the theater I was going to ballet, seeing my friends, having dinner with my friends. I was so happy, and suddenly bang Omicron came and we couldn't do anything right. So I had Omicron, I had the book. I had Christmas, which is stressful and you know, just challenges that and I I should have said, I should have totally said to myself and to my family, maybe, um, I can't handle this great phrase, by the way, everybody,

I can't handle this right now. I cannot handle another person to that. We have to get Christmas. I mean, we have a huge Christmas list, you know, and Christmas is always a big thing around here. Or I can't handle the round. I can't handle it, just accepting that vulnerability, and and the book was coming up, and all the things we had to set up for the book, and my you know, my publishers going I'm gonna do this launcher?

Who are going to have for the launch? And I remember getting up with angst, you know, and I it's it's like, okay, come on, a guppy. You know, God, you know the light, you know how to go. But we are human, you know. The emotions were overwhelming me. And the singles came and it was horrible, absolutely horrible. I mean, I to cancel things. I felt terrible. But let me tell you two months later, now I'm two months into it, I feel amazing. I feel so calm, I feel I feel exactly what I said to you

at the beginning. This is so much more about the book. This is about this beautiful message that I want to share with all of you. This is so heartfelt and I have felt. First of all, my vanity went out the window. You know, I had to wear glasses. I didn't have to look perfect a guppy miss you know, you know how we all want to look perfect. I didn't care. I mean, I did my launch and my eye was very worse than that, and it was amazing

because what matters is the energy that came through. And so that's what I want to share that the conflict is what did a guppy learned. I became more patient, more loving. I had no energy throughout the day. Sometimes I would just sleep and rest. And how many times do we feel it's okay to rest and rest and rest till you're good? I mean, I know, you know, Sam and Amy, you work so hard, you have kids. If you ever have a call to push yourself don't you.

So I became very loving to myself and right now I still am not a and uh, I'm still patient and loving with myself and said I can't do anything about it. I guess I did everything I could. And now a quick break, now a copy. I have two favorite stories. Oftentimes, when when I've seen you in person, you just make me laugh because almost out of nervousness, because I don't know that many people who are as confident in who they are and as comfortable as you, and I'm in awe of it, and I love it.

And I have two stories about you. One of the stories is that we were at an event together. We were both speaking at in Newark, New Jersey, at Oprah's conference, and it was time for the speakers to meet Oprah. And I think you body checked like ten people to get to the front of the line because because you're got to you right, You're just you go for what you want right and and then and then another story is um we were both at a wedding. We were both guests at a wedding and you came over to

me and you said, how is your drink? And I said, oh, it's it's really good and I start talking about it. Before I know it, you grabbed it and you took a sip. Yes, because I but like I just I admire how comfortably you just kind of are fluid through the world. And I think that so many, especially women, hold themselves back from being who they're meant to be

and from from taking up space in the world. And one of the stories, you know, one of the stories in your book was about how you were raising money for that one woman show you did on PBS and how you were you would hit a wall in your fundraising. And I think that the story, that story, if you could share it with our listeners, would be so meaningful to them because so many of them are in business

and they're selling something or they're going for something. Absolutely, and my god, fundraising can be such hell and pressure and everything. I was raising money for the Gods of Greece six million dollar p PBS, and I went to every single Greek I knew. I mean, that's a lot of Greeks, and nobody would give me money in New York.

I never forget it. Finally I had a French friend of mine who gave me money, and then I was able to raise the seed money that the project never happened, but I learned so much and the experience that I had was very much about perseverance, you know. And the cut to my one woman show because I was raising money for that, and that I just that was you know, hundred fifty thou dollars, so there was not a big

million dollars. And I never forget it. I called a wonderful Greek man quants a lots of stores in New York, and I must have called him, you know, a dozen times, and his secretary would say to me, oh, yes, happy, Yes, we're trying to try to get John to you. But and I can. I said, oh yes, it's a happy again. You know. It was like I became such a pain. And finally he picked up the phone and he said, listen, I'm sending you five thousand dollars. Okay, I said, amazing.

And U then I called his best friend and I said, John is giving you five thousand? Can you match it? And he said yes? And I never forget. Underneath the gate the FedEx checks were coming. It was so amazing, and I think I broke through the nose, you know, and I kept going, but I kept asking with with such A. I must say, I kept asking with a lot of charm. You know. I realized the key to hearing the no was not to get to feel rejected.

That was and no doesn't mean I'm rejecting you and a no, man, we don't want to give you any money right now. But I go, Okay, I'm gonna ask you again, and it became fun and I U is the money And that show, you know, was amazing, and and what I learned from all that is again the courage to ask a guppy before we go to our speed round. I realized there's one thing I really wanted to ask you about, which is how you're thinking about

romance today. Are you online meeting people or do you have a relationship you're already in No, I don't have a relationship. I mean I feel very fulfilled in my life. I feel I have wonderful friends, male friends, I have um married friends, I have women friends, I have my family, and I feel very fulfilled. If someone walked into my life without me striving or I'm not looking, I'm not

looking online. This is not the phase of my life. Remember, I am in the laterst of my life right, so this is not for everybody, because I have many chapters in this book when you want to find love, I mean, how to pray about that, and when you're divorced and maybe twice and you want to find love again. It's all wonderful for me right now, I'm not looking. But if somebody walked in and you know, became a partner or someone that I was able to have a relationship with,

I welcome it. But it's not something that I think about a coppy. What book are you reading right now? Actually, there is a wonderful book that um, I love and that's from Lexi's husband Some Yes, I just bought it, Connecting the Dots. It is absolutely fabulous. I recommend it and it's actually about how life happens when you let life happen, and it's his story with Lexi. Is amazing how they met, right, incredible. So a gappy you live a very big life. So who is the one person

that leaves you star struck? You've met so many people. Can I tell you who the person who leaves me star struck is? Is my niece Isabella. She is thirty one years old. She's an artist, and about four years ago she suffered a concussion she hit by bike crossing the street to have a date and bike. One of the bikes's hitter and she hit her head on the pavement, and we thought it would be you know, four weeks later she'll be fine. Everybody said, there's nothing. There's nothing.

Four years later, she's still managing her concussion and she's um finding ways to navigate it. She has a new protocol now of a discipline of doing a few things, taking a break, doing a few things, and and this

is gonna make me cry. But one of the practitioners who works with a neurologist she's working with, said to her, I wish we had met you when when it happened, because our doctor and I can say the name of the doctor, because she's an amazing doctor, doctor Chatty, who would have helped you within the the first three months

of the critical months to help a concussion. And Isabella turned to the practitioner said, but that would have been such a waste, because in the four years I have learned so much about my spirit and God and and and life, and that would have been a waste. Can you believe it? She has taken what's going on with her and advanced herself to become who she is today. Liu male perspective. Amy asked you a question about your mom, and as you're answering the question, you kind of like

channeled your mom's spirit. Yes, yes, that was something that was like, what is going on there? You know? Can you talk more about that? Absolutely? That because the spirit and the souls of who we are, uh and who people are, and we have guides and spiritual guides who don't see them if they're invisible, but we must evoke them. And there are so many I mean, you can actually start to commune with your parents, and I have many times communed with my mother and my father. You must

allow that spirit they want to communicate with you. It's not woo woo. It's not like, oh woo, this is such wool stuff. It's real, my friends. We must be quiet. And if you want to communicate with the spirit of Beethoven, listen to the Ode to Joy ten Thou people in Japan put it on YouTube. If you want to feel joy, and then ask the Spirit of Beethoven and you will feel it. You will feel it. And we must have

the courage to know that that is real. That but before other spirits and we must call our souls forward and our God, because unless we call it forward, they won't come. It was so hard to end that conversation with a Coppy because she's one of those people you feel like you could talk to for five hours. I have to say, like there's something about a copy. First of all, she makes me giggle because she just has

this incredible energy. But she just makes me laugh. I mean, first of all, I think her next book should be a parenting book, Amy because whatever her mom did, like her mom instilled the most incredible confidence in both Ariana and a Goppy. And it's magical. No, I mean the fact that like when she has a rejection, she's like, Guppy is too much for them. They weren't ready for a copy. Like she's just amazing. I mean, I want my kids to feel that way. I want to feel

that way all the time. It is seriously remarkable the way she handles things. And you know me aim like, I am such a skeptic when it comes to like woo woo meditation some of it. And I just fell in love with her book. I really, I thought it

was fabulous. No. I was reading to my oldest daughter from it over the weekend actually because yeah, I mean, well it's just you know, like I want my girls to know you and I can inspire our children, right, And I think that I got the mother inspired her, but somehow it got his mother also taught her to

believe in the world. And I think it's part of what it got his mother, how she lived her own life, like the story I got be told about, you know, just kind of money, like there would always somehow they'll be money, somehow it will come our way. And I think that like if you because a child can learn to tap into the universe like that, you'll go through

life in a different way. I totally agree. I mean, I you know, I have that philosophy pretty much in terms of like I used to say to my husband when we had nothing, I'd be like, oh, money grows on trees and He's like, what are you crazy, Like where do you even get this? But I would always say, like, it's just gonna all work out. And that's kind of

what I think in just in general in life. And he doesn't have that philosophy, and I have to say, it's it's just so interesting, like parenting next to someone who doesn't have that philosophy. He's probably more typical or normal than I am. With my like it's all going to work out, like kind of Pollyannish idea of life. But I do think that mindset has such a big

impact on outcome. I mean, I agree, like, if you're afraid before you begin, it's really hard to get to the end, right, And I think they're one of the ways to be less afraid is to just believe that the universe has your back. And I like, I just felt so good leaving that conversation with the copy right. I just felt good. I love her. I can't wait to have dinner with her New York. She's just she's the cutest, She's the best. Thanks for listening to What's

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