Hey, everybody, thanks for joining us for this video instead of doing a lot of yak and I've got a real interesting guy on the line here, and I'm just gonna wind him up and turn him loose. Eddie, how are you doing I'm doing, Frank Cow, how are you doing? Good? Eddie's sick. He's come down with a sinus infection or something, and he's still doing this recording with me. So I appreciate you doing that. I'll apologize to my voice. I know it sounds like a mental barrel to
me. I don't know what I say. I like you guys. Oh it sounds beautiful. Just you could sing a song man, we'd be happy. I doubt that. Well, tell us now you're in Georgia and you've got tell us a little bit about your your hunting. Is it a hunting leash you have or is it property? Largely belost to my boss, and it's a place we take what we've We've taken clients there from thirty I've been there thirty three years and I've been taking clients. It's just a good place
to take and it's been quality time. And over the years I've became really friends with them as opposed to just business acquaintances. We've we've experienced a lot of things together, and anyone that's listened to those two videos you did, those were folks that I take hunting, and that was just something that happened. And then, really the first time I experienced was that animal I saw in coleg North Carolina, visiting my girlfriend in college. I didn't know what
it was. The only contrast I had was a family in my hometown had a given aid to me. The length of the arms and the frame around the face. It just looked like a very big version of that animal just stealed out good a little bit better. I mean, I had to come up with a rational reason why I'm seeing an eighth of a tree on a mountain in North Carolina. That made no sense at all. I anticipate that, and and honestly, had it not whistled, how to walk right under
it would have been to my right, but I was. It was basically almost at my twelve o'clock. It was it was, it was at one one one, But I would have walked under it. I had never seen if it had whistled. You know, I've listened to enough to know that during the day, they will put sentries out to warn the group. And there's some dummy like me walking in the woods and I think perhaps I may
have caught him napping. I have no idea, but he let me get way too close because the whistle, as I said in what I wrote, it was the first part of a Because you know he raised in the South, you anticipate the white park coming out, not just Bob. And in that case, it was the high pitch of it. And I'm not a good whistler, but it was a Bob White and it just didn't finish, and it was so close I couldn't help but look directly at where it came from. I was looking dead at a face, and I just went went
up the tree and there he was. He was hanging on to the center of the tree, and his right arm was on the limb above, and he was trying to keep the center of the tree tween. Because I could clearly see that. But when I moved to my left to check for tale, I did it couldn't be a monkey was too big, but I had to check. I was a senior in college fixing to be an employed, hopefully productive citizen. My thought, that's why I never said anything about it.
I didn't need to trying to get a job in the real world, and people thinking this guy's nuts, he's seeing things in the tree. So I never heard about it. And actually I've never seen anything until I told my older friend. I mean, we were literally raised together, and then he was by the end we both had kids, and he looked at his son and they both rolled a rise, and I couldn't talk, you know, And honestly, if I hadn't seen it, I don't know about to
believe need because it's not it's not normal. We both raised. He hunted, I hunted. I was raised in the woods and little place south of my hometown and still got land there. And I never saw anything like that. I heard. I heard my relatives, my aunts and my granty and all the day been here full of dark to voters to get you. But quite frankly, and I just thought that was something that told us. I never saw one, and I was deep in the woods and you could go
and stay, stay on the property with my uncle own. It got very interesting to me after I realized, you know, I listened to a few things and U, you know, listening to you know, Tim Baker and those guys talking, and I said, well, there's some guys from the South like me, and they they see them too, and that their their stories were credible. So it helped me in my mind rationalized what I had
saw. And then after I ended my what I went to college to do, I was a coach and a teacher, and I started taking clients hunting. I would take clients to the tree. Back then, we were you know, in the business run where we're real safety conscious, and we bought the best stands we could buy to make sure no one of that hurt and
nobody fell out. It had safety bars and straps, and I would have to go out early and the turn buffles full the seed that started, make sure tree hadn't grown into it and didn't have vines and thanks blocking their views. And when I was out there alone, I would hear for them. You know you were making excuse for voices, You're making excuse for loud noises. I can umber. One morning I took everybody to understand. And that was back when I'd actually said And I got in my stand and I had
no longer. I had been that stand five minutes I heard a conversation back toward where I parked my truck. Now, this truck is parked on twenty one hundred acres and it's the only vehicle on the place. You know, my inclination was, somebody's walked in here, I've got coaches. I got down out of the tree and I went. Of course, I never found any anybody, but it was distinctly a conversation someone who gave instruction, and somebody had knowledged the one note. There was no doubt about it was a
conversation, but it was not. I just thought my hearing was support. I couldn't understand it. I didn't realize I was listening to an entirely different language. That was an instance, and there was another occasion, same thing. I just got in my tree and it sounded like someone through a cocusing out of top the seats, because I heard it come through the tree limbs and when it hit the ground and I literally felt the impact via the stand
being stuck in the ground. That's how much of an impact it was. What was it? What were they throwing? They weren't throwing anything. I'm convinced now because that code machine ran off and I felt it run off. I just assumed from the impact of the footsteps that it jumped out of a tree from a pretty good height. Now what made it do that, I don't know. I have no idea because I didn't have I was pretty conscientious about knowing where my people were, hopefully not on the ground. I didn't
want them shooting on the ground. I wanted them shooting fo you know, down so the impact of the bullet would be in the ground. After years of taking them honey, I got comfortable that they knew what they were doing. They weren't gonna hurt each other, they weren't gonna kill one another, So you know, I relaxed all the little rules I put on them because I was confident no one was gonna get hurt to actually knew what they were
doing. That was basically how I came to know there was something out there, and oftentimes I never It wasn't like the time in North Carolina when I actually had a visual eye to eye was one I never had that. It was always something in my perithheal, some noise and movement, or it was something that was there and it was no longer there. Like one morning I took people to their stand, my truck pulled up. My headlights were dead on a stump. It looked like an old burned out lightning struck half stone
at an angle. It was gnarley like, had moss on it, nothing to it. I cut the truck off, took them to the stand, came back out. Well. By then I put sitting. I didn't hunt anymore personally. I'd go back to a and make coffee and ate and then go retrieve them from the designated time. When I cranked the trunk up and the high beams came on, I just sat there and look because the stump was gone. It wasn't there normal. Now, I know stumps don't walk,
so obviously what I what I saw as a stump. Want the stump. That's something else they have up and I say they this animal has an ability to turn into what you want it to be, like a stump. If they turn around and squad down, you will not see an animal. You'll see a stump where you'll see something that's natural in the forest. You will not like a water brush or something or something exactly. But the only reason I knew anything was it was in the dead center my headlights. And
then when I cranked the trunk back up. It was gone, and stump don't run off, just like coach machines don't run off. But that's what it sounded like when it came down out of that tree. It's an interesting subject, it really is. Now you've you've you've become familiar with, at least you think that's the alpha on the spl I've always I always called it Big George because when I come toeck stands by myself, I'd always hear a
call. That's what it sound like me, you know, like you would hear on National Geographic, for example, you would hear of a gorilla or a big chimp, and that's what it sounds like. A call to me. I'd always speak said, hey, big guy, I'm here. It's just me. And you know, I never saw anything. I just I just assumed it was him letting me know that you know, I'm here, I know it's you. No problem. But that that was kind of an inside joke for me and him, I guess because I never I never actually
had a visual owning. I did see movement from one tree the next in my Parisian at times. I never had a reason to be scared, you know, other than the turkey hunting experience I shared with your readers. Now, that did scare me because I knew it was big, and I knew it was close, and I knew I was not that big, and what I was holding was not digg enough. I gave strong consideration just to breaking and running then leaving my bucket, but I did, and I sat there.
I don't know, uh, well, just kind of kind of rehashed the whole story in case somebody hadn't heard it. Just run briefly, Well, I was, I was turkey hunting, and I was really a novelous hunt. Had gotten into that kind of late in life, and that a friend that was just crazy about it, and he was real good at and he had gone with me a couple of times, and the only turkey I'd
ever killed he had caught that morning. He couldn't go hunting because I called and asked want to go, honey, and said, now I can't go. He had something else going on. But he had given me a little pushbutton hen called a decoy, the same one I'd used the first time I killed the turkey. And the decoy literally half of it would fall off most of the time. It was all had so my apartment truck, and I was doing it kind of like deer hunt. I wanted to be four daybreak
and let everything settle down. I walked in. It was three third and a half mile the trunk to the tree. The tree was not far from my personal deer stand and had some very large roots at the base. This tree was seven eight three wide at the base. I don't know two hundred
fifth tril year old tree had been there wayful I got here. Anyway, my dove bucket would literally fit into the two roots, you know, coming down out of the tree, and I could recess back up in the tree kind of a concave, and I just thought that was a way to be camouflaged. So I set my deepcoin and got on my bucket and it was still, it was just breaking daylight, and I sat there and one thing Keith had taught me was don't go crazy with the call. Just do it
as light as you can. They have great hearing, but as if they see you, then I come. So I was sitting still recessed in the tree out getting very conscious of being you know, unseen, and I'd heard several gobblers come down off the route they were one hundred nine and fifty yards away. They make a good little bit of noise when they fly down, and I knew they were on the ground. So I by the end of
the sun had been up fifteen twenty minutes. It was it was some was coming up round seven seventy ten something like that, and I figured it. I didn't have a watch on what I figured it was probably like seventy thirty when I heard what I thought was the golblers coming off the route. So I hit my little button a couple of times, just trying to get somebody
to fancer. I didn't get an answer, but I heard a good little bit of fuss coming from behind it from the direction of the river or whatever it was was not trying to be quiet, and I had thought about it then, you know, maybe a couple of deer, or maybe a bunch
of hogs. I'm pretty pretty conscious about pretty conscious about hogs, because my mother had a grain off of this story she told me when I was a little being in the woods and then men avoiding hogs of wild Farrell hogs because he had either fell in the pin, cut himself a smell blood, or had a heart attack, but Anyway, they ate him up and they found his glass rain as belt buckle, And let us say that was pretty impressionable
on the little board and pretty impressionable on old old guy sitting in on a bucket a hundred of tree. I was. I didn't I didn't want to get walked on by a bunch of hogs because I'd already had this house. You know, you walk on salads and pigs. She's not what you want to be around. No, I mean I already had to drop the hammer on one for that raison. You know, you don't want to shoot the when they got a little ones, But I didn't want to get either by
the hall. So I was listening very intent, and whatever this was was coming, it wasn't trying to hide the fact it's coming, and it seemed pretty intent on my big tree I was under, or the general direction. Now, this thing was seventy five eighty yards back I could tell by the sound, and the river was probably a hardy hoars behind. So I find it concluded. This is not a deer. That's not some on four legs at all. It's got two legs, and it's got a bee line on
this tree. So I was sitting there listening, and it came. It kemp coming and I got to notice now heavy and how long the stride was between the steps, and I got a little concerned. But you know, I was sitting there my old the flail gage or note didn't didn't have had five in it. There were three inch magnets number four shots. So I figured, ain't much gonna take this. From close range, I should be okay. But the closer a guy, the more impact those footfalls made.
I got real and comfort. When that guy within thirty or forty feet of the tree, I could tell this was a large individual. As it got to the back of the tree. Now they're still there's still ten fifteen feet between us, because that tree was enormous. I smelled it, and it smelled a lot like a body odor. It smelled like something I smelled growing
up. You know, I'm when Georgia and Middle George. Anyway, you're gonna smell what heat would do the people perspiring and he's and I used the expression of twelve piece picktures, but it could have been anybody's loading hair. And you're out there sweat and then July Son in Georgia, you're not gonna smell very good. And this high school he had a drong spell to him and add a little bit of a I went dog tends to it and when he when he when he blew air a friend of mine. She had a
belt and draft horse. And I'd heard that thing take sale many times, and only something that weighs a lot didn't make that much noise, just ea saving. And that's when I got I really got scared. I realized that this thing's enormous. I almost broke round. I didn't broke broke, and I just sat there, you know, all kinds of rabbits run over my grave. My hair was standing up, I was tingling. I was almost I don't know how to describe it. I was almost feeling digit because it
took him ten minutes to get to me. I listened to this for a long time, and I had the option of breaking and running when it was still a hundred yards from it, and I didn't do it. Now, of course, I was regretting that, and that moment I was I wish I just got my bucket and he went to the truck. But I didn't know. I didn't know that it was poaching somebody trespassing, but I was
pretty sure it wasn't the person at that point in time. Then the smell went away, and I was trying to smell and the sound there was no sound at all. There was just no sund no other sound. No no birds, no squirrels, no no armadillas over there nosing around in the leaves like it did earlier. So I didn't know what to do. He made so much noise coming to me, and then all of a sudden it got dead quiet. You know, I had a choice. I can break run
or I cat to sit here. I didn't figure this animal knew while I was there, because I hadn't made him. No. I was completely recessed. The only way known I was there was smelling, and I didn't have I didn't spray my boots down or anything like that like I do. There a hunting because I was turkey hunting. I didn't think that was in the necessary thing. So I sat there, and I sat there a good little bit two I sat there between thirty and forty five minutes. Well after that
amount of time, I didn't hear anything, I didn't smell anything. It couldn't have climb that tree. It was just two dead dumb wide at the base and the walking to limb for a long time. After I did, I stood up and grabbed my bucket and I started walking. I didn't even look back. And it's gonna get this. It's gonna get me anyway. And I had my gun in one hand and my bucket in the other, and I walked pretty fast, and I was headed towards my truck, and
I didn't look back till I was out the mum the last mont. I made sure if there was something in that tree coming down on me, I wasn't gonna know it to look, so I looked back. I didn't seen nothing. I never broke stride. I kept walking. I got all the way to track, all the way to truck. I'm sorry, And my watch was hanging on the gear ship. I was to my watch and it was cooler level teen forty five, and I thought I thought we watch was from I said, ain't no way, I ain't away, it's this lake.
But then you know, cranked up or got to the gate and I left. You got homeless about a twenty minute ride back of the house. And it was eleven thirty quarter to twelve when I got home. So I was just that kind of blew me away. I didn't know, And I hate to get all Louie and say I lost time or something strings like that, but something went on because I just didn't feel like I sat there that
long. I was scared. I get I was scared. Well, that's what I said in the video that it sounded like you had a lost time, But you know, I don't. You don't know, and therefore I don't know, but I'm curious. I would have My impulse would be to stand up, turn around and look behind that tree. But did you had you had experience with these things before that, so you feel well, I
you know, i'd heard things, I didn't see anything. I'd had the experience of hearing the conversation, hearing the coke machine get the ground and run off. I've had the experience of seeing the stump there and not there, but the actual experience of having something that big walk up on it and knowing it's that close. I wasn't really want to see the stunt. Well that's why, don't get me wrong. Everybody's going to do something different, and
I have no idea what I would do. It's perfectly understandable you didn't want to turn around, but gone gone with it. Well, if I turned around, I would have had the guide up and walk a good five or six of my steps still seen behind this tree. I think it's hard to describe the tree as big a system was when finally got it. A matter of fact, it's still out there. It's a rootball now. The win got it. It didn't have the block it used to have said, but
it's just a big root ball now. But I bet the root balls twenty feet it's it's huge. After it, it made the exhale, and it was it had the Belgian draft Clydesdale exhale. I realized this was a very large alm. I didn't feel like I wanted to be, you know, seven eight feet from this thing, whatever it was. But once it went quiet, I didn't know what to do. I mean, I don't know how you shut off smell. I don't know you can make that much noise. And then all of a sudden, all that just stopped. I was
kind of hesitant to even say this. I feel more comfortable talking about the kids laughing because I had two people with me, you know, Jordan and VJ was there, so you know, I don't feel as you know, take my words to this type thing like I did. You know, on this occasion, I was right by myself when I was in color Way. I found myself when I have two guys with me. My brother was with me one time down in Flawda gold fishing, and we had a cat run
across the road in front of us. It was two thirty three o'clock in the morning. We were flat fishing trout, red fishue. We were just trying to get to camp for daylight and you know, be the first boat out of the creek. Back then, I was just addicted to flattish and I couldn't I couldn't do anything. I couldn't hunt anymore. I couldn't do anything I used to. I had one was the one track mind. I had a nineteen foot skiff behind me. Yeah I was, I really was.
And this was a two a state road, not very wide, and I mean nothing on it. When you make that turn it cut over to a little place called Shady Grove. You probably run twenty miles and you don't see anything. It's just you know, the National forest on both sides of the road. And this cap run across the road and he wasn't twenty sea in front of the truck was probably wasn't doing forty five miles. And now I was in no hurry. You know, my dead live was day daylight,
so I was in no hurry. Menji was talking. It ran across the road in front of us, and then it turned right when it reached the other shoulder and ran in my headlights for probably be seven eight nine seconds. So I got a good look at it. Now, this was a jaguar. There was no doubt in my mind. The pattern was just as clear as if it had been the yellow version of the black pattern. But this one probably black. But those headlights, the way it was shouted on
it, it was almost like it like a regular jaguar. The spot pattern was so obvious. But what really shocked me was the size. My head would have looked like a naval orange in its mouth. I mean, it was enormous. And they say a jaguar won't go over to two fifty in lay. Well, I'm an old football coach muscle mass or something gauge pretty
good. This thing was huge. I'm sure walking up on nine foot booger in the woods scary, which I've never experienced that, but I would not have wanted to walk on this thing because it was and it was all boy. Now, I was looking at the east end of westbound cat and every time that tall come up, there's no doubt it was. It was an all boy that that blew me away, knowing something like that be in those woods. And your brothers saw it too, Oh yeah, yeah, that's
really now, have any problem telling this story. I had a guy sitting and my brother was sitting right in the truck with me. We both saw it was. It was enormous. You know. We talked about you told me that story the other day, and I mentioned that what you thought about maybe an exotic animal keeper turning one loose or something like that. They're not usually not black. That's a panther from South America. That's where those things
are. But I've heard quite a few people have told me they've seen them frough deer stamps, but none of you said they were that bed. I had a conversation last week with a friend of mine over in West Tennessee who I used to work with and we hunted together forever. I moved away and we still get together once a while, but he's he's always he would hear we'd hear stories like that, and I'd say, hey'd you hear about a
cap you know, in Madison County or Chester County, hertem Accounty. He'd say, Oh, that's all a bunch of bull I talked to him last week. He got one on a trail camp and he called the TWR and told them about it, and they told him that they do not exist in Tennessee. But he's got a picture. He goes, I'll send you a picture of it. And they don't even want to look at it. It's crazy, and that that kind of makes you wonder why there's such a violence
and a relacable better word, a violent reaction. You know, I don't try it to somebody calling me a lie. You know that's the reason I will always has to tell the story and tell aween because by myself. But when you got people with you and they can corroborate what you're saying, and that kind of makes it a different situation. You know, you get interested in you listen to people talk about currencies that happened to them, and someone gets hurt, or someone has a video, or someone is huge one at
point blank range with a twelve gage with a slug. I heard one, and it hadn't been terribly long ago. I've been six eight months ago where a guy shot one. His wife called him from work. The cows were up in coror depends and knocked the fence down. She must have called him half dozen times to work. He finally got off work, come home, called the neighbor said, we got coodie. Probably my cows tearing the fence
down. He had a dozen head of cows and they were grouped up in probably at twenty but twenty corner of the fencer when he got home, so whatever it was, they were scared. So he gets his neighbor. They're getting the side to side. One of those suited up was not like a golf cart when I was using one of those things run fifty miles an hour.
But they went down in the woods and it was dark, and he looks up on the left bank of the road to ride down, and there stood a thing that definitely does not exist except in the movies van one of those one of those werewolf movies or something. And his neighbor shoots at point blank with a slum, blows the blows. The factra muscle slap just explodes and they and they do on one eight and they're going out of there as fast as that thing will carry him. And he looks up and the thing
is running side the side, almost sticking his head in the door. And then and then he says, it leaks down and he could tell where his hand was because it was dam in his headlights. It was slow with the vehicle dam and his neighbor who had a shot gun, had done short stroke that gun and had a shell jam. He finally got that shell on jam and stuck the muzz left gun across his face because he was driving. And
when that thing saw that gun barrel come out, it off. But then he had the call the game Wardan game warden come out lowing behold of He told him, you're gonna get a visit. And sure enough, the next day his lands covered up with folks that he don't know, and on marked then every trail can he had. He had about fourteen trail cams on his property. He was a deer hunter. Like every sen party had out there
was gone. You know, he had all kinds of trouble, you know, subliminal threats and such, and I don't know, I don't understand that part of it. There must be something that they're not telling us. Obviously, it's bad enough that you see something like that, and then the folks is supposed to do something about it, behave in a manner that I don't know. I don't I don't even want to interject anything there. But there's something to this that we don't know. Yeah, and the people that show
up I did said something about it. I think one or two videos back about some people out west kind of they're almost being harassed by some of these people, but it's because they've told other people or reported it to, you know, who they would think are the proper authorities, and it just causes problems for him. The people don't come to help. They they just caused more and more problems for him. I think people are getting reluctant to to
report these things, and especially unless unless you're somebody like me. I'm a little more educated now, but I mean a couple of years ago i'd have seen something like that, I'd have called the game warden right away. Oh yeah, but I don't know if I would now. I don't know if I would those two the two BJ and uh what was his uh daddy's name. Jordan was a son right and bj was a daddy. No, now they were just um related at that time. Jordan got an old enough to
come by myself a dad and quick theremenka. But you know I was I was just taking family members hunting. They got they got roared at and screamed at, and I'm wondering, did they still hunt with y'all down there? Oh? Yeah, they came this November and we did a little walk that a lot of timbers being cut down, so it hadn't It's not quite the same as it was that that's that night we heard the kids laughing. There was no way I was in the same thing. I mean, that's just
too far out There's one o'clock in the morning, went a swamp. There ain't no way there's kids in that bottom. And then Genorgan said, did you hear those kids? You know? All I could think of things? Thank you? So I thought I'd lost my mind. It's bad enough I just got walked around by sooning to come out of that bottom. To think there were children down there, that that was just way too far out there. And as soon as y'all hit that call, I mean, it was
almost instantaneous. That's if if I had tied the thing off and left it down there they I mean, if I've been one of them. I said, how did you do this? And I didn't do nothing. I just went the spot. I thought, this has the right kind of topography, has got a load. You know. I have studied enough to know they liked roll a little bit. They don't want to get skyline. They don't like it. They want stuff behind it. They don't want to be there.
They're small enough to see and then as you do see them, they could turn into the fam store. It just makes you wonder, you know. I listened to a story about two guys fishing and in a reservoir in Ohio there was splashed by their little john fishing in a fourteen foot john boat using a troll and motor. No less the guy in the battle the boat they were because he said take me up there. I'm taking me. Well this so and sos, but and that's not exactly what he said, but
something to that effect. And he said, I just saw him duck back behind the tree. He when rock, says us, So he pulls up there and guy gets out. So he picks up a rock and throws it back well low and behold, it wasn't a person. We'll come out behind that tree was a big, hairy, very unhappy guy. And he came up then and hid him and knocked him into the boat, broke two ridge, knocked him out and busted his face open. Was gone in a Middlesex
all. It all happened so fast. The guy in the back of the boat, he just pulled him back into the bow of the boat, half and half out. He assumed he was gone because he disarmed. He took his pistol and the pistol he was carrying, and it went on for several minutes, but they finally got out and he dragged him on into the boat. He was bleeding real bad. He got back to the launch and tall the police or sheriff department. They came out, and then those guys got
treated like they stole something. It just seems to be a constant if someone gets hurt, someone has, you know, credible video or something, that they treat it very untamed. Let's just say that that it just makes you wonder what in the world, why would they do that? You know, that brings up a topic that's deare to my heart. You know, a lot of the ridicule that people have is from people in this bigfoot believing community. That's what I'm No, I'm not either. I'm not a member of
any group. I told you that the other day, and I'm you told me about one experience you had, and I've had a similar one, and it's uh I think it's shameful that people will come forward with pictures or videos or whatever. Now some of them are a little They may know what's in the video, but and they may have seen it moving, but everybody else can't see it. But they don't, they don't write. It doesn't rate that kind ridicule in my opinion. I mean, we're all in a strange
way in this together. And uh so you're right. I mean what differences they made too? Was the first person to saw him taking? Yeah, it don't matter, it don't matter. It's just a hairy man in the woods. It's interesting and I'm just amazed that people can behave the way they do at times over there. I mean, if someone knows what it is, they should tell us. I don't know what it is, and I
know I've never felt threatened other than the turkey hunting. And then and I'm quite sure whatever was behind that tree could have hurt me if they wanted to, and they didn't. Now they might have done something else that gave them opportunity to go away. You know, I've always wondered that, why the noise stop? Why the spell stopped? So we mean you have sign posts. I don't think neither one of them stopped. I think my little thank
your part quit working. It's what I think that's interesting. Well, what else could it be? I mean, I spelled it very strongly, I heard it very vividly, and then all of a sudden, no smell and no. I think I'm there thirty minutes and I'm there two hours in that. In that period of time, whatever it was left, but I didn't hear it leave. I sure didn't hear it come. That's true. I don't know. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I think. I
think. Uh, you say you don't know what they are, and I don't know what they are some kind of folks, I do, You and I and everybody. I've never had an experience, but I would include myself, you and I and thousands of other people know just as much about them as the self proclaimed experts do, because there's no they don't. There's not enough evidence to make a determination on anything, not anything, not any A guy sent me some pictures of some tracks today that I think are fabulous,
and that's one of the best pieces of evidence. You know, it's it's hard to fakes, but it's hard to fake them with you know, the foot lines and the soul of your fate. And no, you can't. You can't fake that unless it's a real thing. No. And the place that I'm talking about where I take these people hunting, it's probably not forty five fifty miles. It's crow flies from where the Elfin's Creek cast was cast. And and that's the one that they set the standard by because it has
the dermal ridges or the fingerprints, that's what I called. And the distinguishing what makes it an animal, so that it's not question does this thing exists. I'm I've seen it, so I know it exists, but I don't know what it is where it came from. But I've I've done some reading. I'm fairly well educated. The cross breeding between the human and the Neanderthals.
The the thing that starts with a day that I probably would mispronounced the Denizens or whatever they call them, the Heidelberg dude from Europe, all those in. Any time you cross breed something, it doesn't matter what you're cross breeding. If you cross the old line with the tyger, you're gonna get a bigger animal than what you started with. It's gonna be bigger than either
of the parents. If you bring a male tiger to a female line, or a male line to a female tiger the ligar, it's gonna be bigger than either of them. I remember when when my daughter was little, a gentleman was kind enough to give us tickets and backstage fastest to the shrine circus. So I got to take my little three year olds to trine Tous and go back to where the animals or they had eight hundred and fourteen pounds Siberian tiger. Now eight hundred and fourteen pounds is a lot of cat and added
right there on the cage. I didn't I didn't doubt it for a minute because it's paul bigger in both my hands, both monthy put together, they was enormous. It also had about a five hundred pale male African line, which is normal size. I didn't realize tigers got that big. But it was a Siberian, which is the largest of the tigers. It also had
a male leopard and a male jaguine. Now, when they were sitting on their little pedestals, everybody was growling and snarling at the other one, except the jaguine when nobody talking to him, because it just looked like a more primitive animal to me. I mean, nobody snarled and swatted at him. The leopard was swatting at the line, and the line was swatting at the
tigers, vice versa. But that that jaguars they let him along. There's a leason that well, it was the reason it's got about the highest jaw pressure. Because any of the four big cats, and they were all represented right there, only little pedestals. It's just a more primitive of the full cats. In my opinion. You see them together and you will realize that this is a different cat. It's just I know, it's a new world cat, but it's it's different, you know, like they talk about how
old monkeys, that's a new World monkey. A lot of people say they heard that in the woods. I haven't heard that. First, I'll tell you what we did do, wasn't I the same two guys and I went down there and we found an area called myself getting Smarter, where I could park the golf cart and we could see what was coming. I didn't want to get in the thick woods, a thick brush and get in the position where I couldn't see what was coming. Because we were fixing the hit on
some trees and this stuff we probably shouldn't have been doing well. Big j had him a good old Louisville sluggs and he walked over there and walked this little old oak tree and he hadn't drawed the back back, and it wasn't fifty feet. He was running. He was running left. Here was running where you go? I mean, there's nowhere to go. You don't get that golf thought. You think we're going out running than here where there's nowhere to go. I mean, it was obvious. Something answered that, and
I mean it was real close, but we didn't see it. We didn't see anything. Nothing made a vocalization with but that response was instant and it was close, but it was It was kind of funny, you know, the thing about these wooden knocks. Is I grew up in the city, but I've spent so much time in the woods that I've gotten really used to them. I mean, I'm fifty seven years old now and probably for the last well, I mean since I was a teenager, I've always been trapsing
off in the woods doing something and I love to hunt by myself. You never hear that wooden knocking from anything in the woods. It's just there's nothing out there that can do that unless it's a human whack on a pine tree with the lev a slugger. That's that's the only thing that could be, or something with an arm that can grab a stick and whack the side of a tree trunk with its arm. There's there's just no other way to explain those things. And again, who knows what it is, but we think
we know what it is. To me, it's just folks. There's got to be some kind of people. It's I don't think there's a I don't think there's an animal smart enough to stay away from us as well as they'd do without them being someone who would like us. And I remember it had a conversation with someone a long time ago. Well they hadn't been that chair to Gong, and I said, those things may have evolved, but we will create. If we had evolved, we'd have better seats, we'd have
better pen we'd have better fingers, better elbows and needs. They've got all that, they've got everything we build have. You know, I don't want to get off in the religious to him, but there's no doubt in my mind we will create. And even my college biology professor russ Hard, he said there was no such thing as macro evolution, said, there's a lot of micro evolutions, that everything will adapt to its environment, as far as a big bang in a fair mecium. And now we're splitting at him.
No, I don't think that from one millisecond. Now. I heard a guy say one time he was a big mega evolution believer until he looked at his daughter's ear. It's such a perfect little organ that he knew, he knew there had to be intelligent design behind it. We're almost two an hour you've given us. I know you've given me a lot of things to think about. You think about things in logical ways, and I appreciate that. Is there anything else you could share with us that you think people would want
to know. Well, I just just keep your eyes and ears open if you if you get in the woods, because there's there's obviously more than this subject in the woods. And I hate to keep it going back with what I've heard. And I did listen to a story about a guy there to Sara Soda, who had gotten an older employee a job over at the state park. And it's kind of well known there. It's it's it's East of Sarah Soda stick with alligators and cotton mouse and every other credit that's this in
Florida. He was his dad on a basically a trash company. They hauled off household resues to a landfill. And when when the guy got olden the tire, he took his retirement. But he needs a little lecture income, so he got him a job. And they known him all his life since he was a little boy. And then the old guy called him and said, I want you to come out here and let me let me show you something I'm seeing. So he humored him and he asked me to show what knight. You want to do this? He said, oh no, I
don't want to do this at night. I don't want to be out here at nighttime, not with this thing. He said, well, when you want to do it, said, just come out here about ten thirty eleven o'clock. And I used to see him around Luce time when I meant him the kids in the park. So then he goes out there and he humors, and they're sitting there and there's a standing family. They're having a birthday party for a child, and the child got one of those whatever you called
hanging in a tree. They're hitting with a stick and candy's coming out and they're giggling and running. Everybody's having a big time. And then all of a sudden, I got punks. Is there he is? And he looks, and sure enough, there this thing is. And then he got his full of a nundsided attention. Don't look a little kid. So he's got his you know, his iPhone in his hand, so he puts it on record. He said, I'm seventy five feet I got a full zoo.
I got this thing dead right. And I was really concerned that he was it was gonna do something to one of those children, and said I was just before opened the truck door, because this wasn't this was no normal book this is one of those dog men type of planning. And by that time two vehicles come back and they go down the road to a one eighty and come right back to him, and one of them gets out to the female
on the mail. The mail comes over to this side of the truck and said, I need your phone, because they went by he was video and that time, and they knew what he had on that did they took his phone, said you can pick it up at the ranger station on the way out. So you know, they had a few words, and but he he was satisfied. He really did work for the government in some capacity.
But then he went back and picked up the stone when they left. And of course the lady that was in the other vehicle, she had a black better turn like one of his glass like something you would listen. But it was a minting a tone, and his dog was in the backseat, and whatever this thing was a minting, it was killing that dog. I mean it was qualling and putting his paws over his ears. And he actually told him that whatever you're doing, stop if you're killing my dog. And so
the ladies shut it off. But the animal that they were pointing it at had left and those kids were saved. But then he got out of the park he started thinking about it. He pulled over side the road, sim carve was going off his phone. All his contacts were gone, his work was bidden underground utility. He looked at his laptop. It was washed clean. There was nothing on that laptop at all. That's a perfect example of whatever this is. It's not supposed to be it's not supposed to be recorded
or work. It's not supposed to be known, even if you do know it. That's kind of bizarre. Well, I'll tell you what they're doing a good job keeping it on to wraps. I mean, well, if that's the intention, I guess so. But I just you hear it six and seven and eight times different people hadn't talked to each other. I don't know. I would just say, folks going in the woods, don't going arms. I tell my little brother that all the time. I know,
he goes dumping all the time without messing. You know, it won't take one time you wish you had something, just the discouragement. Yeah, I've spent a little bit of time telling people and maybe this is bad advice, but you know, I walk back here I've got five hundred acres behind me. I don't own it, but my neighbor does, and he says, just do you do whatever you want back there, And I ride my bike, take my dogs. I go one night walks back there, just me
sometimes with the dogs. I never think about a thing. I never worry about anything. I just enjoyed outdoors. And I've told people, just because you hear these stories, don't be afraid to go enjoy nature. But maybe that's bad advice. Well, I've been in him when I was a little fel since sensor will tell. And I never thought about it, and nothing come up and tried to eat me. I didn't. I didn't think any more about it when I saw the thing in Coba League. But one thing
I will share with you. The first time I ever listened to any stories about this particular subject, I was listening to Jim bakon Kombo Talk and he was telling the story about his gread daddy on their phone, and his greend daddy called these things catamounts, and I and when he said that, that kind of just it's almost like some my through cold water roaming. Because Western
Carolina State University's mascot is a catamount. I'm thinking, well, that's odd, and when he asked what it is, he said it's part bear, part cat, and part monkey. And then I think, well, yeah, my cover cover everything. But those guys with the Outlaws, they have a long history with these things, and but I just I just thought that was that was a heck of a coincidence. I was at Western Carolina State
when I saw them. Really the first one I resolved and their mask I was Kadam the first time I ever listened to anybody talking about his granddad called him academy. Right, we're we got about a minute to go before we're at an hour, and I'm gonna we're gonna pass an hour. Nobody's gonna listen to me, and you ye, I'm proud anybody does listen to me. I'm a drum. I think I think everyone loved hearing you talk, and I want to tell you how much I appreciate you doing that being sick
and all. Thanks for being my third interview victim. I don't know how well these interviews were going to go, but this was extremely interesting and you're a great storyteller. Well, kay, I can tell you the way you did the first time I heard you're you telling the story. You do a good job in the narration, do a great job pick in the intro music. Because I'm Capricorn, middle Georgia raised person and I love to hear anybody to play a dobo or slid it also. But just keep up the good
work, don't change anything you're doing. I'll listen to you anytime you want to talk, and I'll be glad to if any way I can from man. I appreciate you. Let's keep in touch. Thank you again. Listen everybody, thanks for listening. I really appreciate you listening this far. Eddie has been a great guest, just very interesting, great storyteller from my region of the Southern United States, and we kind of talkt the same language, so it's really easy for me. So that's going to wind it up for
this video. I appreciate you'all listening. Thanks,