Bigfoot Problem in Virginia - Interview

All right, three, two one, we're recording everybody. How's it going. I think I've got victim number seven or eight on the phone. When I say victim, it's my interview victim, because I kind of feel sorry for him. They have to sit here and talk to me and be recorded and listen to my stupid questions. But I have Janelle on the line. Janelle, how are you. I'm doing great, Thank you, well,

You're welcome. Janelle sent me an email within the last week or two and I read through it and I thought I could tell right off the bat she had some exceptional stories to share with all of us, and I knew she'd be a great guest to do as a recording. So Janelle has several years of experiences with these creatures. Janelle, do you would you like to just start at the beginning how you kind of got how this kind of came to light, and how you got into this. Just tell us, tell us

whatever you want to tell us, Go right ahead. Okay, Well, I moved. I've rented this farmhouse. I had just come up from Florida and I rented this farmhouse out in the middle of two hundred acres about fifteen miles outside of a small town in Virginia. After I'd been there while, I decided to buy the house, and I was buying it from the farmer

who owned the land. After I had been oh, I guess a while into it, he decided he wanted the house back for his daughter, and I had already done so much to the house I wasn't about to just let him have it back. So he did a few mean things to try to get me to leave, and I just wasn't going to have it, so

I ignored him. I started having these experiences with what I thought were people if he'd hired from his place where he worked, his lumber place to try to scare me in the middle of the night to try to get me to leave, and so that's what I thought it was. Well, it started out I moved in this place. My furniture wasn't there yet. I had two little dogs, little shitsus, and we were sleeping in the living room

on the floor waiting for the furniture to get there. And the first night, this woman screamed from down in the woods way back behind the house. And there was nothing back there but woods that went on for miles, and it was a blood curdling scream, like she was being like her arms and legs are being torn off of her, and she screamed, Oh, I don't know. It seemed like forever. It was probably five minutes, or maybe it looked less, and I didn't know whether it called the police or

what to do. But at the time, they hadn't even stalled the phone yet, so I couldn't call anybody, so I let that go by. Several nights later, some huge animals were fighting in the circular driveway that went by the side of the house, and they were huge. They were snarling and growling, and you could hear them hitting each other, and they were sort of angrily talking some kind of gibberish, but you know, in anger, and they were snarling and growling, and oh, it was horrible.

It was horrible. I was truly terrified. But the dogs never reacted,

which I thought was real strange. So that lasted a while and that stopped, so I kept telling myself it was some kind of great, big cat or something fighting, and I knew it was bigger than any kind of cat that lived in that area, but I thought, that's what I'm going to have to think so it went on, and then at night, at ten o'clock at night, I'd take the little dogs out, and there was a farm light out at the entrance to the driveway, and I was nine tenths

of a mile way back in the woods from the road, main road, and i'd walk out into this farm light and wait for little dogs to do what they had to do before we went to bed. And the farmer there was pasture up in front of the house on that side, woods around the other three sides, and there was a barn way up there, halfway up up the distance to the highway where he kept his big, heavy equipment.

And something was up there that would stop down into the pasture, making these horrible girls sounds and some kind of gibberish and so forth, and occasional growl, and they would stop. There was several of them, and they'd just all stomp out there at one time, obviously trying to stear me. So I just stood my ground. I couldn't see him because they were well outside

the range of that farm light. And so finally eventually I had that farm light turned off because I thought it was could attract more trouble than it was protecting me from and I just had it dark because I didn't want anybody seeing the farm light from the road. So I would then turn on the one little porch light and stan out there with them that way, and then the charging stopped. Then let's see then by then my head furniture and I moved

to the upstairs bedroom. At night, I was these things. Something would come under the window, be talking and some kind of gibberish. I thought that these were people that he had hired try to scare me, so idiot that I was. I'd opened the window and I talked back to and I'd say, hey, you know you've done your job. Get paid. You're not scaring me. I know you're down there. You can go home. You've done a good job. Tell him you did it, and you know, then I'd go to bed. Well, I noticed that it woke me

up. As a matter of fact, a couple of nights there were songbirds chirping around two am, and a lot of them. And this group of songbirds would move from my front yard slowly like the speed people would walk down into the pasture and down a farm roads through the pasture down into the backwoods, chirping all the time. I knew it wasn't possible, but that's what

I heard. The other thing was when I first moved into the house and i'd go outside, sort of poking around the yard and checking little outbuildings and

stuff. Every time in the middle of the day, every time i'd go outside, owls would hoot, you know, like big horned owls, big owls, And they would first hoot right up next to the yard, right there in the edge of the woods, and you'd hear them continue to loot down that hill that went down to the creek, and then way up to the west where that creek branch went, and they'd still they'd be hooting at a distance, and I thought, again, I thought, they must be

still down there, and these guys are watching me to make sure that I'm not going to be interested in walking that creek. So I thought it was people again. But every time I came out, because obviously they were signaling to each other. I mean, this was clear and obvious. And this went on for weeks and weeks. So that was another thing, the owls.

Then, let's see, trying to think when these things were under my window at night, apparently they were all so sleeping in the yard because under the little dogwood tree out front, the grass was mashed down in the shape of a huge animal in a fetal position, and I kept looking at that. I'd go out there and look at that. Then I'd take the mower, I'd mow. I'd mow it a high thing, but it would fluff the grass up, and I cut tall because I wanted to defeat it again.

Sure enough, there it was again, and it had nothing, no shape like a deer or anything like that, because it was like a masket ball, huge and it was just mash the grasses, mashes, plastic. So that happened a lot. But they but they came every night in some form or another. They were It was constant. I built a big deck on the back of the house. On the house was in a shape or facing in an odd direction, so my front door was actually off the side

the real front door, and all along the other side. There were no lights because the electric had to be replaced, and so the three areas where the woods were you couldn't see anything. There was no light to see. So this is where they had most of their activity. And then one night

I had dinner in a friend's house and I came home after dark. Well, I had chickens side in and they were in a pin with a six foot fence around it, and they could get into the coop and roost, but I had to close the door of the coop and so I couldn't see back there. So I drove the truck up into the front yard, pointing in the direction of the coop, and put the high beams on so I

could see to walk down there and close the door. Well, as I was walking down there, on the right hand side of me, just outside the car light area, I saw two huge yellow eyes staring at me from a height of about eight feet, higher than any ceiling being could be, and higher than a large deer or any other animal that I knew of could be. The eyes were large and they were glowing yellow. I managed to block out the fear. I kept on going and I closed the chicken coop,

but close the egg came back. I did not look over on that side again. I slowly walked back the truck, got in it, backed up, and put it back in the driveway. That was Oh, and while I was doing that, this huge elk or not elk buck goes flying along the edge When I was backing up and the lights were shining on the wood. This buck went flying down the edge of the wood with its eyes looking wild like it was scared of something. So I couldn't help but think

that whatever had the big yellow eyes was scaring that that animal. So that was that was a scary thing right there. But I've learned, I don't know. I know better than to run. I know better than to act scared, because as soon as you do, you've lost, You've lost. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with you. Yeah, you just have to act like you know whatever. It is an everyday occurrence. Then this farmer had cattle, and quite quite a large heart of cattle.

And I had also had cattle when I had my own farm, and my cattle were totally quiet, occasionally to hear a move not oft his cattle all night long, mooing, mooing all night long. You tould barely sleep because of it. Every night they just kept on and on. Now they had to go down to that creek to get water. That's where they got through water. They had to go through the woods and down the creek from the past they rank, So something was disturbing them, or one time I saw

him dragging two oh probably six hundred pound calves that were dead. He was dragging them down across that pasture into the woods where there was a trail that went down into the wood. By law, you have to bury dead livestock, but he wasn't doing it. He was dragging them. So after he finished all that, I decided to take a walk down and see where he took them. Well, he took them as far as the path would go,

and there they were at the end of the path. Well, knowing what was going on, there was some huge animal or group of animals around there. Not knowing precisely what they were, at that point, I thought I'd go down there and look. The next day they were gone, completely gone, not just eating into Yeah, they had disappeared, and they were huge and bloated, and you know, I mean these were big calves, big calves. So I don't know what them, you know, but they

were dead. And I know that he was missing some young calves, newborn calves, completely missing them. So I don't know where they went, but I had a feeling. So anyway, then another thing, they stopped charging me and so forth. But when I take the dogs out they'd stand there in the driveway facing the dark part of the yard wagging their tails. They saw something that they were wagging their tails scared, call them and go back

in. And the other thing was when I built that deck was a huge deck, but because the little dogs, I had a gate put on the steps that went down, and I kept the gate closed all the time, and it had a little lock on it. Well, at night, something big with very heavy footsteps would get on that deck and walk around. Well,

I was beginning to think I knew what it was. And so I saw this thing in the little Electric co Op newsletter thing that would become in the mail, and I was plancing at it and saw the classified section, and in there there was an ad from a man in northern Virginia who had said, if you think that you have big foot, a good big foot, on your property, let me know. So I called him and I told him the things I'd been experiencing, and he said, oh, absolutely,

that's what it is. He said, may I come down there with a friend of mine so we can check the area. So I said, sure, come on. Well, they came down from Washington. They went down and searched along the creek and found tps and nests and all sorts of things like that, and lots of them. So they came back up.

Tell me, well, they came down a number of times and brought some other people, and they all kept looking around, and finally they brought cameras, you know, ga game cameras and things like that, and set them up everywhere. And they put like a television screen in my room up stairs connected to these cameras, so I could switch channels and see what was going

on with it with cameras. Well, I was by myself, and I something about that just scared me. So I never watched that screen because I thought, you know what, if I see something I don't want, I don't want to see it. It's bad enough to hear it. I think I would be the same way. Yeah, it's something about you know, you can hear it, you know what's out there, but I don't want to see its face. I just told to see it, because then then

I'll have to be scared. But then he never got any live pictures, but he did get some strange looking geometric shape that were very strange looking. They were like all kinds of geometric boxes. I never understood what that was. He shared his evidence with you. Oh yeah, okay, And he had a van that was completely outfitted with everything you can imagine, night vision, this, that, the other. He was ready. He was a ghostbuster, running like he was. He was a big footbuster, and it

was fascinating. I mean, he had so much equipment in there, and

oh just it was amazing. But so the last time he and another fellow were down there was this a Sunday afternoon, and they searched around, found nest and all the things, and then they were leaving about five o'clock and as they were going out the driveway, I thought, oh good, I was the time I walked the little dog up the road and I then only had one little dog, And so we started walking up there and back in the woods, this animal was having an anger fit, jumping up and down,

screaming, hitting the side of the tree with a limb or something, another piece of wood, just banging a life out of the tree, jumping up and Danny could hear it jumping up and down and hitting the ground and hitting the leaves and screaming and having a fit. Well I knew in the imediately it was angry because those guys had been down in there in this area. So the dog and I turned around and went back in the house.

That night, whatever it was came up to the side to the house and I had a little office off the kitchen, and I was sitting in there and this thing came and hit the side of the wall so hard that I almost thought I could could see the outline of its arms. Why I didn't come through that wall, I guess because of this old oak, probably the only reason it didn't. So I call that guy. He had just gotten back up to Washington, and I called him and told him what happened.

He so, oh, yeah, he said, that's typically behavior when they're angry. Then another interesting thing was when well I saw one that was I guess one of the main things this was earlier I had taken the dogs for a walk. And this is strange because every every night I'd let the chickens out about an hour before roosting time so they could run and eat bugs and stuff and not cheer up my landscaping. They wouldn't have time to And I had some geese. I had eight white geese, and I at that time

I had a goat. Well, everybody wanted to go for a walk, so we will go up the road. I'd had two dogs, eight these twenty four chickens. Oh, and I had a guinea who just happened to show up one day and stayed. And the goat and everybody loose. We'd all go for a walk up the road and cut over to where that man had his buildings and then come back. And they also had blueberry bushes. And then we'd come back down the side of the wood. And I was

calling to the little male shit too, because he was lagging behind. I get saying, come on, come on, bandit. And I saw one of the chickens had come up in the field normally just stuck around the yard, and I thought, you know, that chicken's gonna get eaten by something. So I had my eye on this chin, and I thought, I'm

going to get down there and shoot it back to the house. Well, just as I got close to the chicken, I see over on my left hand side in the woods, there's this juvenile big foot watching the chicken. It heard me coming. It didn't leave when it heard me coming. It didn't leave until I turned towards it, and then it just turned right around and walked straight back into the wood. That is amazing. What was the distance, Well, I don't I don't know how to measure distance exactly,

but I can tell you this. I was close enough to it to get a real close look at its hair, and it probably couldn't have been ten or fifteen feet maybe, but it's it's the hair on its back, and you know, was in no hurry. You could tell it wasn't afraid of any of us, not the dogs, not me. How the dogs never

noticed it, none of the other animals noticed it. But as the hair on its back looked exactly like a German chow for its hair, and it was it was brown, but it had the same texture and the same length, you know how German she had sort of coarse hair, and you know the pinks on the dog's back of the hair, it looked just like that, the texture exactly. So anyway, it went on back. We kept on walking, and that was the end of that chicken went home. I

wasn't afraid of it at all. I had no fear of it. It was small enough where it was obvious it was a juvenile, so you know, none of us had any fear and went on back in the house. And that's how I really knew that for sure, that's what I had. But I had two exceptionally frightening things happened. The first one was when I first got those chickens and geese, and they were babies. I had raised them on the sun porch, and that day I had taken them out to

their outdoor home for the first time. Came back in, was fixing dinner, was about six o'clock at night, and all the sudden there was a roar. And when I say roar, it was like ten lions at one or four sets of cowlungs working in unison. And this thing roared, a deep, guttural roar that was the loudest thing coming from a living thing that I've ever heard, and it just went on and on. It never stopped to take a breath. I went flying out the first My first thing was,

oh, my little animals, my little geese and little chicken. So I go flying around, little dogs with me outside around the house, back to where the animals were in the little house I put them in. And when I got out there, that thing was still going and the dogs, the geese, and the chicken all were standing dead still in the facing in the direction of that sound. Nothing moved. It was like they were caught in a time war. It was. And you know, you can't keep

it just quiet. I mean, they just get all the time. And they were dead silence. The chickens were dead silent, and they just nothing moved. None of them moved at all. And that thing finally wore down, and that was and stopped. Holy ken well, idiot that I am. I went flying back of the house, got the old rifle, went and jumps in the truck and went after the thing. I went down the

fire lane in the woods. I never saw it. Why I thought that I could ever with a rifle do anything against something that made a noise like that. I don't know what it was with me. It was stupid. Were you after on foot? Well? No, I ran and got in the truck. I got the rifle and got in the truck and I drove the truck after it. Yeah, And by then it was it was dusk. I had to turn the lights on the truck and the high beams, and I backed up and went forward, and backed up and went forward.

I looked in every direction, couldn't find any sign of anything. And then I went home and realized how stupid I was to have done that in the first place. I don't know why, I have no fear like that. You're brave, You're just brave. I don't know. I think it couldn't border more on stupid something like that. But now tell you the thing that scared me enough to make me want to leave. I was upstairs one night, sitting cross leg on the bed, watching Pride and Prejudice or some such

things, and I had had this rose, this climbing rose. It went from these had grown as these massive trunks intertwined, and the rose went up to the second story and went through the back of the stone chimney. You know, there's a space up at the top between the house and the chimney, and had gone had grown up to the window through that thing, and was hanging back down on the other side of the chimney, huge road climbing rose, and the trunks from the thing were huge down at the ground.

And I'm sitting there, and they had been jabbering in the front, you know, on the other out the other window. I hadn't you know, by then, I just took it for granted and all of a sudden, something hits that the side of the wall with its feet climbing up that rosebush. Thorns and all, I mean that thing had thorns on it, a good half inch long, these big thick thorns all the way up that huge trunk of that thing. And this thing you could hear it pulling itself up

by it. And when it first jumped on the rosebush, its feet hit the wall. It was hanging onto the rosebush with hands, and then it started climbing that rose thing, and you could you could hear the rose pulling out of the between the you know, behind the chimney because of the weight of whatever it was. Well, instantaneously I run over there and slammed the

window down. The blind was already down, but the window was open, and I just reached under there and slammed that window down and locked it and then turned the lights and everything off. It's oh, let me tell you when that happened. They apparently there was some little animal, a squirrel or something up in the attic that I didn't know was there. Well, whatever

this thing was scared that little animal so bad. That little thing ran back and forth and back and forth, and you could hear it bouncing off wood, and it was I think it ran itself to death. Literally, I think it just it was so terrified. It just kept running and running back and forth, back and forth. And I thought that was the oddest thing I had ever heard. Let me ask you, Oh, was it a trellis supporting this rosebush? Or I can't imagine a rosebush something? Yeah,

it was. It was. I'm never forget it was a yellow rose. I had planted it right when I first moved in. And the thing had trunks that had multiple trunks that were twisted around each other. And I would say some of those trunks were probably close to two inches thick. Oh, I didn't know they got that big. Okay, yeah, you know some of them, dude. It was an old fashioned rose, a rambling rose.

It was yellow. I remember it quite well. Yeah. In fact, I have pictures of that side of the house and I have looked at that rose in those pictures thinking about when that happened. Wow, that is terrifying. Well, and think of anything that would grab you know, an old an old fashioned rose has many more thorns than these hybrid things too, and it grabbed them with its hands and it and it had to use its feet too on those thorns. I just don't know how any living thing could

stand that. I don't know. I've always wondered. You know, rabbits live in briars, and that's kind of how they protect. That's their security blanket, so to speak. And so some animals have a way to you know, I don't keep from getting stuck or whatever. I can't imagine something with arms and legs reaching up grabbing the trunk of a rosebush with half inch thorns on it. You know, you got to grip it. Now, from the time from the time you started with your first I don't what would

you say evidence of something going on until where you are now? Are you talking about a few months or a couple of years? You know that was in nineteen That started about nineteen ninety five and went on for six years after that. Okay. The reason I know the six years because I was on a ten year contract buying that house and I sold it back to them after six years. Okay, Yeah, that's that's what it is. My little frame of reference on time I went back to Florida. These encounters are just

period article. I mean, they're not they're not it's not just going on all the time. Now, this was going on all the time that they were out there all the time. Now, now there were a few months from the winter I would say, oh, probably mid December to mid March they were gone completely right, and they'd come back around mid March and stay there until. You know. And one time, the reason I knew there were juveniles other than seeing that one, was because one got apparently lost from

his parents. There were these big ravines that would go down in different parts of the woods. And one night when I took little dogs out, this young one was just screaming. It was it was you could tell it wanted its parents and that it was lost, and it was screaming for its parents. And I mean, it was just it was just so obvious because they

had their voice. Oh. But one of the interesting things is one of the anthropologists out in Washington who I talked to, he says that this was very common, which surprised me. But one night I was calling a little

female dog muffin. This thing was over in another set of barns, on the other side of another pastor, and it was trying to say words muffin, And it was just and it did a good job, and it was in that deep It was apparently a big adult, and it had that guttural, real deep guttural voice, and it kept saying, Muffin, muffin, you're kidding me. It was mimicking you calling your dog. Yeah. Yeah, And this doctor I can't remember his name now, but he was an

anthropologist at some university up around Seattle. But anyway, he was telling me that is very common that they've had many reports to that. Yeah, I've heard. I have a friend of mine who I'm actually including a lot of his stories in a book i'm pulling together. But his grandmo when they were kids. They grew up here in Mississippi, and when they were kids, his grandmother would call them in for supper. She'd holler out their names and

you know, you who or whatever grandma's do. And so the kids got used to this, and then ever once in a while they'd hear it and they'd come in and be all ready to eat, and she'd go, I didn't call y'all in here. They said, well, yeah you did, and that he's this guy's positive it was the bigfoot mimicking their grandmother. I just think that is so amazing. I think it could be. I really think it could be. He said. It sounded just like her, just

like her. Well, I just didn't mind, didn't But I mean you could you could hear the word pronounced yeah. Now, if they can copy birds and things like that, I don't see why they couldn't copy her. They've got to have a very complex set of vocal cords to do it. In a brain that's able to make those vocal cords. Do you know, their tongue and their mouth and everything has to form almost like a humans does, because we're the only animals on the planet that speak in a language to

each other. Well, I think that they have their own language. I think that they definitely communicate with that gobbledee group. They talk, and they talk a lot, They talk an awful lot. But let they tell you

one of the funniest things. It was the next night after this thing screamed at the edge of the woods, Apparently it went over the highway, across the highway and down the hill to another old farm back there that this couple from Norfolk, Virginia had just inherited and a friend of mine was caretaking it for them, and so they were coming in on a Friday night after work the weekend there, and he met them and they all went in the house and it fixed a drink so they didn't have a drink, and all of

a sudden, this things started the same roar down there that it had at my house the night before. It scared those people so bad they got their suitcases. They put them back in the car and they told them, they said, we will never stay where that thing is. We will never be back, oh bet. And they never came back. They sold the place. Wow, they sold it. They never came back to sell it either, but it steered them that bad way. I know this. I'm going

way back to the beginning of the conversation. But did you tell the audiainst where all this is happening or did you decide not to h it was? It's Virginia, Yeah, southern Virginia. Okay, Well, I think that what if you if you ever go to Google Earth and you look at the land and where the woods are. I think these woods come all the way down from up and around the Skyline Drive area, and they're not broken to many times, so there's sort of an area where they can just sort of

walk on forever. I think that's what they do. I think that, you know, they have plenty of the area to go. I don't know where they go in the wintertime, but they've they've got somewhere where they go, probably close to the east coast, because I know from the woods that were in the back of that house on over to where the farm I used to have was. I mean, those woods would just go on forever. The Lumba companies owned all those woods, and so they you know, nobody

ever built in them or anything else. And those woods are pretty permanent. They just replan them, recut them, replan them, you know, but they stayed thick. But also too, the that area had a lot of UFO sightings as well. Before you get into that, I have a question. Were you friendly with your neighbors in your house there in Virginia. I didn't really have any neighbors because I was curious. I was curious if other people around the area. Were you all talking and comparing notes or anything like

that. No, I didn't. I never mentioned this to the to the farmer that I was buying the house from, because I you know, for so long I thought it was him, and then by the time I realized it wasn't him. He was doing other you know, being really basically ugly, you know, and I really didn't want to deal with them at all, so I never told them about it. And I didn't really know anybody else there. Yeah, well except except the fellow who was at that farm

across the highway. He knew about it, so he was familiar with the creatures. He was even. He was even he was even able to duplicate the sound. I couldn't. I mean, because it's a sound that's never heard before. Nothing else is in my lifetime. I've never heard that same sound. He was able to duplicate it, which surprised me because I kept trying to figures I could complicate that and I couldn't do it, couldn't even come close. So you had one neighbor you talked too, Yeah, and

he wasn't exactly a neighbor. I mean, everybody lives far away from each other out there. Yeah. Yeah, I knew him, but we never discussed all this, And you know, I never told about all things were going on in the house. You were about to get into some some other things that have been happening. You want to go to that Okay, yeah, UFO situation wherever I lived in that southern area of Virginia. There is a huge uranium deposit close to the surface of the earth in that area,

and it's the biggest in the world. And many of the big companies have chemical rights and all that kind of stuff to that land. A lot of people have made a fortune selling a lot of that land to these big companies. I always wondered if they didn't have something to do with the fact that there were so many UFOs spotted around that area, and some of them went down the main street of the main small city. It was reported. I mean, you know, it was even in the paper. It disappeared from

the newspaper, even from their archives, which was strange. It went right down the length of main street. One of the ufo. Then one that was out by my farm several nights in a road coming back. It also went over that city where they were playing a big baseball game, and everybody saw it. It was hanging over the farm next door to my farm. I called some friends that were pretty far away, but they were up on a hill and they could see out over the woods my way, and I

asked the cls side and look over here and see what they saw. They saw it too, at this location, at this place, that was a big Foot activity. I was coming home from twenty miles south of where I lived. I had been visiting somebody, and I was coming home on the back road and I saw what looked like two bright balls in the sky over

by where I thought the house was. And I kept going, and then one ball started to move and it came where I was driving back to where I had just come from, and the other ball stayed where it was, which still looked like it was over my farm. When I got to the farm started down that long driveway, I saw that ball. Then I had I was bringing some stuff to someone else. I thought, well, let me go do that, and then when I came back it was gone.

But when I went in the house, the phone was ringing, and the gall that I had been visiting waste the house called and said, hey, did you see? She said? My daughter in law just just called, who lived near her, and said that she saw this great ball of light moving through the sky. Did you see anything like that when you were driving? I said, I sure did. It went right over my head.

And so that was one that two saw. And then another man who lived near there used to work at a factory over in town, and he'd go in at four o'clock in the morning and open up the place, and he'd want to open it. He'd fixed coffee and stand out there and look across the countryside, and he said he saw one almost every night hanging across the countryside. He said he'd just stand there and look at it. Well.

Then there was a local policeman who told me that. He said, I don't know flying telling you this, He said, could never tell another soul. He said, I came over here with somebody else who were looking for something. It was nice, and we were going down the road next to your house, you know, down below your house in the back, and that all of a sudden, this bright object went flying past the back of the car and we looked at each other, and then all of a sudden,

over on the field. One side was wood on the left and on the right was open field. I was on a dirt road, and he said, there's this big ball of white light hanging in the field over there, just off the ground, floating, And he said, it's scared us to death. He said, I didn't know what to do. He said, I couldn't turn around. It was a naracter a road. There was, you know, a ditch on both sides. Know where to turn, And he said, so I kept on going, and I kept on going.

That thing kept right by the side of us, and it kept going with us. And he said, when finally came to a dairy, I was able to turn around and head back out. And he said when I did, he said, the thing was over in the field across from the dairy entrance, and he said, just hanging there. He said, I thought, well, let me tromp my lights and see what happened. So he turned off his lights and the thing started coming towards him. He said it scared him so bad. He wasn't trying to slights me. He was

so scared he couldn't remember how to do it. He said. The only thing he could figure out how to turn on was the spotlight on the outside of the police car. He said, as soon as he turned on that spotlight, the thing stopped and then just shot up into space. He said, they were so terrified. He said he would never come back there again unless it was the middle of the daytime, and he would never go back on that road. Ever, that's a call. Yes, I wonder if

he ever reported that, Oh he was terrified somebody was tomed out. Oh he didn't want to report it, did he do? Know? As a matter of fact, I know the only reason told me was because I was getting ready to move back to Florida then, and he thought that I might have some antiques to sell. So that's why he came over. And so you know, I didn't have anything to sell him. But we sat and talked, and for some reason he felt comfortable talking to me about that,

probably because he knew I was leaving. I wouldn't be here anymore and I wouldn't talk to anybody. And you can't blame him. As a small town you know, the people can really be vicious. So you know, I don't blame him. I don't blame him at all. Yeah, I've had I've had some a couple of experiences. I even had one where I am

now, I had one. I was out there once again. I tell you you have to have a dog to see these things, because you have to go out with them last time at night and stand there while you're waiting for them to do their business. That's when you see everything. It's really it's true. I mean, most everything I've ever seen her experience has been when I've been out there with the dog. But I was out there was another little dog. This was, oh, about three years ago. It

was in February, I remember that. And I'm standing there looking straight out from my house waiting for her, and from behind the house comes this massive thing. It was. It was oval from where I was, but I was so close. It couldn't have been much more than five hundred feet off the ground. It was. It was the size of the football field. It was huge, and the lightsome little town that I'm outside of were shining

off of it, off of the bottom of the thing. And it just kept moving in the same direction, saying it was going about the same speed as a freight train. And you know, it didn't it didn't jump around like you hear these things do and all that. It was clearly on a course for somewhere. And I stood there watching it until it, you know, when over the tree tops and was gone. I reported that one. Yeah, some remarkable experiences on this place. It's amazing, I'd tell you.

I think sometimes when you're well, like with the other place, with all the big Foot. I mean, they could see that I was I loved my animals, that I was good to my animals, that I was close to my animals, And I think that they appreciate that. I think that's one of the things that makes them feel comfortable with you. I think sometimes you have to be sort of connected to nature in a way to be

able to see some of these things. I don't know what the answer to that is, except most people are so caught up in there, in there, all the little dizzy stuff of their lives that they don't look. They don't they don't have time to just stand and look and listen, you know. They don't have time to that run to this baseball game, or run to that practice, or you know, run here, run there, cook laundry at you know, and then watch television. That's the way life is

in the United States, and especially people who live in urban areas. It's just that way. There are a lot of distractions, and it's hard to I don't know how old would you say, uh kind of you know, get into yourself and your surroundings. But you said a couple of things that every time I talk to someone like you, I think of things that are going on around here. That and again people people keep saying, oh, Cam, you got them, you got bigfoot, And I don't think I

do. But for the last two months, you know, I've got five dogs, and three times a day we make a do we go on a long walk in the mornings, it's about a mile and a half. And then three more times during the day, I'll take a break from work and I'll walk them around about a quarter mile here, just round my house, just to let them go to the bathroom and all that stuff. And then I take them out one one more time at night before we go to bed.

And what's funny is the last couple of months, about twice a week, all the dogs will come in, you know. They I let them out, they all run off, they all go out in the woods, and they'll all come back except my black little pit bull. Her name is Betsy. I'll call her and call her and call her. And where we live, it's dark. We don't have any street lights at all. I wear a head lamp when I go out at night. I'll be shining in

that head lamp all through those woods and I can't find her anywhere. So I'll go in twenty minutes later, I'll go out, can't find her, and then and then I'll find her right at the edge of the woods after I come back out again. You know, it just varies on when I finally find her. But she'll be just sitting at the edge of the woods. She'll just sit there, or she'll be standing just staring off in the woods. She won't be barking, she's not growling. It's not wagging her

tail, she's not just showing any you know, typical dog sign. She's just standing there staring and it is oh creepy. And I'll call her and call her from the porch and she won't come, and I have to walk out and get and I'll have to walk out and I just walk up to her, real slow and quiet, you know, and I'll say her name when I get ten or fifteen feet from her, and she'll turn around look

at me, and then she'll look straight back out in those woods. And I'll just stand there with her and look trying to see what she's looking at. She may not be looking at anything, but she may just be listening. But she'll slowly turn her head. She'll slowly turn her head and we'll walk back to the porch and she comes in the house. It is so weird. But when you were talking about your animals all facing towards the woods earlier, that's exactly what I thought about. It's yeah, yeah, And

the other dogs don't have any inclination to do that. No, And Betsy is she is always moving. She never stops. She never stops like that to just look at something or stare off into space. She's always moving or I don't know, looking for water whatever. What's happen every time? Pretty much? Yeah, it's right here, right here, actually behind my office. So'll just sit there right at the edge. That was just staring and it is so have you ever gone back there exploring to see if you can

see anything back in the daytime. Oh, I'm back there all the time. You haven't seen anything odd. I never see anything odd here ever, And I've walked over the month. Each month, I walk every inch of this place. And it's it's not all my property. It's probably a combine five or six hundred acres and I'm either riding it or walking it. And just because I like to be out. I just love to be out. And the dogs like they hanging right with me everywhere I go. So anyway,

but enough of that. I just thought I thought that was so it's such a weird sight. And I'm going to I'm gonna bring one of my big cameras. I usually keep them out here in the office, so I'm gonna bring one in one night and then try to film her doing that and show everybody on a video. Yeah, that's it's weird. Well, we'd almost an hour, can you uh yeah, can you believe it? And I think I'll just took up ten minutes of it. I'm sorry about that. Oh, but I love that. That's what I say. I find

all that fascinating. I really do. Yeah, animal behavior is really interesting. Yeah, well I like to watch to see what they do and and you know, different groups have different behavior patterns. And it's you know, because I said, here my office, looking across a five acres, I get this. You know, different times of the year, I have different groups of animals come in and I get to watch to see how they interact with each other and that type of thing. It's fascinating. Yeah. And

now I have a huge pack of kias that just somehow have arrived. They howl and my dog goes crazy and I'm now I'm afraid for him to go out and roam on his own. Yeah, they'll kill them. They say dogs as competition and their codies are and that's an animal. It's a whole other topic. But and I'm not an animal rights person at all, but I have a huge respect for that animal. And I won't get into all the details of why I do now, but they're a I'll just tell you

this. They are. It's it's the oldest animal historically, and it's they are a unique North American animal that they're not found anywhere else in the world. And they've been here for I think I'm true. I don't want to say a number, but pret placed to seen era and they roam the you know where they are now here in the East is not their natural range, although it is now. They're so able to adapt, and they're the most persecuted animal in the history of the world. There's never been an animal that

men have tried to kill out more than the coyote. Well, and I have to say I can understand it because you know, I can't tell you the number of nights on my own farm that I had to sit out there with a rifle all night in the trust a spotlight and you know, try to protect my cattle. And you know, especially in the spring, that's one animal that men can't control. They're naturally here. They've right now, Yeah, Coote's the only thing men have ever done with Cody's trying to kill

them, and you they can't. We cannot get rid of a matter of fact, the most persecuted animal on the face of the earth is the coyote. Yet their numbers are more healthy than they've ever been in the history of the world. Isn't that amazing. I didn't know anything about that. That's fascinated. I just just read an article that you know, a lot of hunters are kill them all, kill them all because they're killing our deer in

our Turkey. And I just read an article. Uh, you probably don't follow this guy, but Steve Ronnelly has a podcast and a website and a Netflix show called Meat Eater, and he just released an article about about the cody in the eastern United States. And they're not hurting the deer population at all. If you look at it as a whole, the eastern whitetail is as healthy as it's ever been deer hunters are killing more deer than they ever have, if there are more codies than there's ever been, So the cody

dear thing is a myth. It's not true. Well, and also too, I heard that they can't take one down unless they're in a huge fact to do it, and they probably don't need to. But you know, since this group has been here, you know, squirrels are the bane of my existence. With this bird feeder at you and you know, I do everything. I put Vassoline on the pole, I put w D forty on

the pole, I do everything I can think of. And you know, they always figured out eventually, and they turn the bird fee here upside in. So eventually I just stopped beating the birds. This year, I have no squirrels, not a single squirrel, and in fact, I have almost no bird I've never seen it like this. Where do you think's going on? I don't know, there's nothing out here. I mean, you know, I wish they'd eat some frogs comes by. I must have ten billion

frogs of every kind everyone's got. I mean, I love listening to them, but sometimes they're so loud I can't hear myself think. Yeah, and I wouldn't mind it all of these if they frogs. Different areas go through ups and downs of squirrels and songbirds. You know, there are years where we don't seem any of this past year, but I've seen more squirrels than ever. I think it has a lot to do with the acorn crop, which helps a deer and all that stuff. So well, I have hunters

down here now that I've never had before either. So you know, I used to have turkeys walking through the yard every day, and you know, deer every day. I don't see anything anymore. It's sad. It'll probably come back around. It'll be we have turkeys around here, we see them all the time, and then we'll go six months and we won't ever see them. And I haven't seen turkey. I haven't seen turkeys out my yard and probably six months. And I looked out today and there was eight or

nine I'm walking across my yard. So they just kind of move around. But just so anybody who heard me say this about coyotes, don't misunderstand me. Go kill all you want. I am not in any way saying to protect the coyotes, because here's the deal, they don't need your protection, you kill all you want, and that their population will be right back where it was within just a few months, and it might even be bigger. So and if you don't, yeah, if you don't believe me, read

up on it. You'll find it out that's true. So well, Janelle, if there anything any parting words or anything you'd like to tell anybody got off of cryptids, Aaron started talking about just natural wildlife. But is there anything you'd like to say before we end this show? Well, I don't think so. I mean, I definitely believe these things exist. I'm not

sure that they show themselves every body. I'm not. I think women alone are probably more likely to run into them because they're not intimidated by women. I think. I think we are sometimes their entertainment. I think when they like to watch children play, they like to watch what women are doing outside, and they also like to watch what we're doing inside. I now keep my blinds as tight as I can get them. I make sure that nobody

can see those little holes where the thread goes through the blind. I'm careful at nighttime now. But yeah, I think they're less likely to bother houses where they're men around. You're pretty sure they're not aggressive, and or at least the ones you've been in contact with, we're never really super aggressive with you. Were they only after the researchers started coming down and going into their territory. Now I would walk into their territory too, but you know,

I was no threat. I think they felt the men were a threat. And then they took it out on me by beating the side of the wall and you know, then coming up the rose thing up the side of the wall, and you know, they started showing I got a feeling of aggression. I mean, it's time that one jumping up and down and screaming and then beating the wall, and that was definitely aggression. But they took it out on me. That's the interesting thing. They felt that I was to

blame for those people coming down there and getting in their business. So I think they can be aggressive. They definitely show anger. But the rest of the time I think I was entertaining them. I think I was their television. But of course I don't think many many people go to the wind and talk to them either like I did, like an idiot. That's perfectly understood. If I'd only known, If I had only known I'd have been hiding under the bed. So funny, so funny. Well, listen, thank

you you so much for agreeing to do this. You've been very gracious and nice and sweet and very interesting to talk to. Well, thank you. I just don't want anybody else to feel like they have to worry so much about what people think. Who cares what people think? You know, when you get rought down to it, if they were to pay my bills or

or to give me my paycheck, I think twice. But until they do that, I don't care a whole lot, you know, you know, I feel sorry for people who, you know, have to keep it bottled up inside them. I mean, I've kept it bottled up for all these years. I've never told anybody what I've told you to night. But I also see people struggling with it on your website, and I don't I hope that it'll help them not to struggle, you know, by telling you that

these things. So yeah, they can you know, if they want to get it off their chest or feel compelled to, then you know, they can email me just like you, and we'll get you on here. And yeah, they're in a very safe thanks with you, right and or they could just write it as a story and I'll be glad to narrate it. Everybody, thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed the video and we'll see you guys on the next one. Thanks