All right, let's try the Joe Rogan intro here three two one, Okay, we're live and we've got Rodney on the phone. Rodney is in what park, Texas? You live in? Rodney, I'm north these Texas. I'm actually in Mineola, Texas, where I hunt, where I hang my hat. But uh, in an hour, I can be in Louisiana, Arkansas or Oklahoma. So I'm real close. Rodney is Uh. I got in touch with Rodney because I know a little bit, just a little bit
about what they do, and I wanted to get him one here. So Rodney, thanks for coming on. Why don't you just take a minute and tell us about the group of guys that you have that y'all go out and hunt for these things and try to gather information on them. Can you spend a few minutes talking about that? Yeah? Absolutely, You know the group of guys which you know, we do our expeditions and our hunts, you say, you know, we've been together going on better than twenty years,
a lot of us. You know. Of course, we've got some new guys that come aboard, and you know, we got to school them and educate them on things they don't know and you know, for your basic outdoors like myself twenty years ago, I walked through the woods and you know, I didn't recognize tree breaks and twists and formation. You don't walk up you know, never in a million years thought that we had anything like that, especially down here where I lived. And I was just mesmerized by it.
Once I got out with active researchers and found out that we got them right here. I don't have to go to British Columbia, I don't have to go to Pacific Northwest. I mean, we've got them right here. What got me involved with it in the very beginning was it? And I think in the seventy two I believe it was the legend of Creek come out and being right there in Falk, Arkansas is the hawk skipping a jump for us.
So actually I started sitting sending out of emails and stuff, and actually Smoky crabtreating the movie that it was based on, put me in touch with the President and direct for TBRC. I was just I was like a kid in a candy story. He's like, Wow, there's a big Foot group out here and they're meeting this weekend twenty miles from me. I'm gonna be
there, me le to say. I jumped aboard right then, and I learned a lot from a lot of those guys, and then several of them went out on their own, and we kind of went out on our own independent research. You know. All the politics were not that they were wrong, it just didn't fit my my billet sell at the time. You know, I was wanting to learn more about the creature itself and the tabots and
and anything. I was like a sponge man. I was like anything I could take, and I was taken in and I started, you know, over the course over a period of time, you know, you start developing fundamental skill as far as what to look for in the seasons. And they are migratory type creatures and they do, you know, move, they do
move with the vegetation in the animals and the game trails. And a group of guys I'm with now, you know, you know, they offered me a spot membershiping their group many many years back, and we've been together ever since. It's like my primary family. I talked to them just about wanting to drew my own family, you know, so well, let me stop you just real quick and ask a question. I hope you don't mind me
interrupting every once in a while. But so you you leaped off into this topic, not because of an encounter or anything you had as a kid, but you you saw some you saw the Boggy Creek Monster movie. You just got real interested in it and that's how you got started in it, right. Well, yes, and then my grandmother, you know, of course growing up as a child, My grandmother grew up and was Nakodochius, Texas,
and she had an encounter as a younger girl. And of course I heard that same story over and over for you know, eleven and twelve years of my life, and it's like I couldn't hear enough times, you know, I always had to hear it. So I always had that, you know, that question marking the back of my head. You know, that would be so you know, be so cool to you know, to actually see one. And you know, I'm a quest in my life, I ever got the opportunity that I would be part of something like that, in
hopes it would be blessed one day to see one of these creatures. And you know, He's blessed me several times through the past, and you know, I never I would give it up for anything, So I guess my grandmother initially planned a feed in me. And then of course the movie. And I still watch that movie today. If it comes on, I'll watch
it even I got the DVD. It's just one of the things. It just it just keeps me on aginal seat, and it just you know, now that I know more about it, and it's not too far fetch. I mean, you know, of course you got you nonbelievers, and they're welcome to their they're welcome to their opinion. And you know, it's like people come up to me all the time. We're you know, in the
b food community. Year under every spirit and organization, no matter what you do, what you say, or whatever didnce you produce would be tracked blood hair. They just want a body. And I'm sure the government's already got several, you know, no doubt in my mind on the But you know, they say, well, can you prove to me? There's how can you proved to me? There is? I said, how can proved to
me? There's not two thousand titans plus a year, even with you know, police officers and dash cams and you know, not everybody's drinking and not everybody's on drugs. I mean, it's a big primate. It's put here for a reason. For what that is, we don't know, but it's here. I'm just curious. What did your grandmother call them? Now? She called them, she call them big foot, She called them a big
foot. Now, that's usually all my friends from a Mississippy way that they call them that, they call them bookish, your older generation, for the most part, they'd call them. They'd call them boogish. And of course, you know a lot of your Native Americans and stuff. We had a few friends that actually grew up on the reservations. They would, you know, they call them that. They call them the tall one and shadows in the forest and they just all sorts of tall one was probably the most popular.
And yeah, my memal she huk all it the big foot, and that's what her daddy told her it was because she kept asking. It was because of course, there wasn't any talk back in my oh lord, this would have been back in my forties, so there wasn't any talk of a big foot or you know, lots of the crazy woman screaming in the woods again kind of where they got it. From and of course a crazy woman was a big foot screaming in the wood doing this thing. You just wasn't
you know what the popularity of would be. Food. It wasn't notorized back then, you know, there was no no notoriety of it. You know, it just wasn't heard of. Yeah, that's funny, you said, that's what I called my grandmother, mama, my mama on people. That's that's what we told him. You were kind of introduced to it by your grandmother, and then you're you're seeing things on in the media about it, movies andthing. You get really interested. Then you joined this group and you're
you're kind of praying for an encounter. Can you can you kind of move to that and let us Can you talk about your first encounter? Tell tell them all that that's what that was like. Yeah, absolutely, first encounter. You know, we was the normal search missions. Actually just my son and I went out to walk game trails and everything we wanted to. We was just going, you know, to see if anything, you know, the deer and your bigger wildlife have been moving through, you know, from
the feet owners to blackberries and you know, all of your forges. They would go for us that it was blooming yet. This was April of two thousand and eight, would be the first time my son and a he was young, he's young guy, fourteen years old. And I, of course I had my you know, I had my handgun with me under know, under my blue jean jacket. My son has a little he had a little crossbow with him. I'm sorry, he's a little compound bow. We were
walking through and we were at the Seven River Bottoms. You know, it's pretty expansive, it's a it's a large place, bust up to a wildlife management area. We come down through this draw and we could hear I could hear something at this time, and you know, I wasn't new to it then. I knew what the cast singles one call sound like tree knock little whistles, and I could hear that stuff from a couple of different directions. We just told, you know, my son, we just kept onward through
the fog. We would say, you know, we just kept kept our nose to the grounds, done walking the trail. And as we come up around this, I guess his bend on the trail itself, and of course mine in the Fining Woods region and especially in that area around the Sabbine River. It's it's sick, but you can see twenty thirty yards of visibility and you can see through the brush and stuff like that. And of course the
big pines they're you know, they're staggered out. And as we come up by this, probably about fifteen twenty yards, I would say this time, this thing just steps out with its left foot. It steps out in the middle of the trail, with its arm hanging down on the left side it's right hand. It's still got ahold of the tree. You know, this tree it's probably sows a betting man, probably eighteen twenty inches in diameter.
And the way he had his hand around the tree, as I could see his finger tip on one side and I could see his thumb on the other side, the side of the spacing us, so he's almost palm in the street. We're looking at his face. He was a startled that us being there, is it's stepping in front of us because we both come to the hall. Of course, my son being a john you uzzy, you know, he didn't know what to do, and be quite awesomely, I didn't know what to do either, but I knew not to run. But it
wasn't acting aggressive or anything of Latin nature. It did. I mean, there's something you'll hear a lot of times, even as I listened to some of your videos, like it'll flip their lip, you know, the top clipp it flip the flip and fold it in a couple of times. And it didn't let a low, you know, attural deep, goodural growl, but not it's more like a dog at you spooked or something. It was like, you know, just a real short, gasping a good old growl.
I mean you could feel it in your chest, you really could. And I don't know if that's how they produced this infrasound that they do or part of their you know, part of their quiset to pay hunt with or whatever, but it does praise you. And you know, it's like after this thing, I would guess was probably as he went on about his business, we kind of the top of my standing, the top of my fingers or at eight foot and his head you know, of course they've kind of
been over a little bit. Top of his head was still around the eighth footmark, and of course this thing kind of goes down, you know, is left arm is the one hand to the side that's down, you know, probably about six inches blue his knees. He kind of goes down like he's gonna go on foards and you know, of course my son, he has his compound bowl and he's got it hanging down to the side. Nothing
aggressive. And I start to reach into my jacket as he goes down on fours because I always keep one in the pipe blocks and loaded just in case. But I didn't want to have to go there because I always told myself I don't want to ever shoot one, because I definitely don't mean no harm. I just soon put my hand up and wave at it, and I hope that some type of communication, be honest with you. But being my son was there, and if I had to, I definitely would have been
a jump forward or anything like that. I believe I could have empted the cliff. It would have done a lot of good, but it would have been it would have been worth, you know, to say my son myself. But I just told my son, I said, look, don't make our contact with it. Looked down and we both kind of looked toward the ground. I said, we're gonna start taking a few backsteps. And we started. So it stood back up again, and as fast as it appeared,
it disappeared. Now, when I say disappeared, you hear stuff all the time about all these things time warping and all this stuff. Well, I'm not a big believer in that personally, and that's just my own personal outtake of it. But I could see clearly, you know, for like I said, about twenty five thirty yards in any direction. And I've seen it go past the tree and down this draw and I seen it look back over its left shoulder one time at us, and it seem that we wasn't
doing anything aggressive. We wasn't running, we wasn't moving. But I was trying to was Bob in my head, trying to watch this thing. And as it got about twenty five thirty yards from us, I walked up to the tree in which it had come out from behind and look, and I couldn't see it. I could hear, you know, it sounded like a little miniature bulldozer, a bobcat going through there. You could see you the tops of these the saplings and stuff, you know, these ten twelve fourteen
put sapling just leaning over as it was going through. Is pushing on them. But I could never see it again after that. Of course, some more whistles and stuff come from the east of us, and and I actually used some ball whistles come from behind us. You know, it's amazing how fast it blended, blended, because it's a master of rich environment, no doubt about it. There's a master of rich environment. You could walk. I mean, I should have seen the thing standing beside the tree before I
ever got to the tree. And it's like, because I'm very observant, you know, because there's you know, there's an occasional bear there, a
little black bear, but you know, bears of bear hogs. You know, we got big cats down here, and you know, of course yodes where general I don't worry about those too much, but you know, the big cats they do jump out of trees and they make their shove well alone, you know, and you know there is a dangerous while I cast out on when you become them in the wood, and this thing just disappeared, and I could hear it paced us all the way. We probably quart them
off in the parking area. I'm pretty sure there was a couple of them pacing us, and we'd stop it would stop your normal And I told my son, I said, they're gonna follow us about all the way out. They've come this far, they're gonna follow us all the way up. Of course, you have a little rock and pebble. Sometime you there's something get thrown, not at us, but by us. This is kind of their way of letting us know that they keep on moving, you know. That's
that's what they're telling you. Of course, when I got out of there, we got back to the vehicles, don't loaded up we were. That's kind of when the adrenaline really hid in and so like you really sat in on on what had just happened, and you got to kind of soak it all in and evaluate and reevaluate. Of course, I called my team members and plain to them and what it had And then a few days later myself along with one of other colleagues, we went out and as we went in
there, you know we've seen a little bit more territorial markers. Started ex formations kind of went in a different different direction and went that away and seen those markers, you know, out of you know, I would definetator to get into the warnings. They're very adamant about and that's why they put all other especially the ex formations that I mean when you see one of those, that just a territorial marker for other big foot or whatever and also for us
humans even though most people have not a clue what it is. But it is a big old keep outside basically if you spelt out in English for everybody you know, a lot of people have found found that that's the hard way, being chased out, having rocks thrown at them, I mean, tree trunks slung at them. I mean, I've seen I've seen him quite a bit. I'm curious about your son. Does he talk about this? How old is he now? Each twenty? Now, it's amazing you had a
or witness there with you, so you can corroborate everything. It's not like you were out there just thinking you saw something. I mean, y'all really saw it. Oh yeah, yeah, And he thinks about it and uh, it's not that's not the scariest in gunner he's been involved in. But he's had one of the more hair and that. But it wasn't you know, it didn't do anything to him or anything. But is he a part of your group? Yes? There he is, Okay, So it's a
father son deal. That's great. That must be fun for y'all. Y'all y'all go out camping and stuff on your excursions and is that how do you do that? Well, we usually have planning, you know, playing event.
We usually you know, pick a date and look at the weather and uh timy year, you know, knowing if these things should or possibly to be moving through, and we planned around the times, and you know, sometimes it's just him and I and you know, we've introduced another lifetime friend of his is into it, and of course his father's had encounters in his middle life, you know, middle life, and you know it's fun to
hear is encounters and stories and no the young getting younger generation involved involved in something like it, or they take notice and get comfortable with it, you know, as an outstanding and an outstanding they should being father and something like you're saying it. I mean, there's there's not too many father and suns they can say they've been getting in experience what we've been into. Yeah, well, it definitely gives y'all something to talk or talk about it at the
dinner table. I'm sure. So that's your first encounter and it wasn't a violent encounter. It was a pretty benign encountering this thing. This thing pretty much just walked away and they tracked you out moving forward. How how have things progressed with your with your search for this thing? Other you said your son had a more hairy encounter. Do do you have y'all ever had any aggressive behavior from them? Well, we've had I mean we've had some pretty
size boulders. I call them boulders because there's a size of the little bowling ball. And I mean we've had them launched, We've we've seen them be they've been launched from the tree line, which would be you know, forty fifty feet from us. Of course it was in the late nay evenings and stuff. And this thing these things come now where they are where they got
them from. I have no idea, but there's to have something with an opposing thumb, So no the other questions or bear anything to throw anything and anybody, you know, these things come launching out of the tree line would well quite a bit of velocity, and I mean how these things are so actually, I'm pretty sure it's part of their running skills. I mean, these things can launch tree trunks, I mean, you know, I believe
it six eight foot tree trunk gets slung like a boomerang. I mean, and you can hear it coming through the air man's man, I mean literally you can. You can hear it coming through the airs. You can imagine when you pick up us helicopter. It's horrible. And but we've had you know, we've had them screaming holler. I mean in the pitch Black and you know, you can watch one I'm a fleg and you can watch it running. But when it's running at and screaming, and then you look off
and there's another one and they're screaming obviously being that goodinal growl. When these things growl, it's not like going to the zoo and listening to one of the Big Five growl at you. It's a whole different deal. I mean, you're way beyond paying attention. You're way beyond that these things are. You know, I grew up in it was a very outdoors guy. I'm
not scared of anything, and these things make me nervous. Gay. I mean, you know, I have ever I mean anything that can launch rocks that you know I use two hands to pick up for the most part,
and these things are chumping. I'm like, they're you know, tennis ball, and when they hit the ground day in bed in the ground, it's like, you know, there's several different occasions, you know, fine pigs and pigs have been of course, the lego be tore off from where it slung it against the tree, you know, actually be rib, part of the rib cage embedded into the tree. Of course, they take what they want, you know, it's just something that can do that. Especially a
hog is mean as them things are. I mean, we're not talking little babies and we're talking solls and hogs up in the three hundred pound plus range, you know, big is huge ones cowels or the next you know, next folded back, you know, just pulled straight back and the lads tore
off, and the strength of these things is unimaginable. I wouldn't want one to get ahold of me, It really wouldn't not just you know, and I pray to God every time I go out to allow that thing to know that I meaning no harm onceoever, and I would never never try to violate it in space of privacy and in that matter. But these other things that
are running out there I'm gonna call them what they are. They're monsters and these things with the snouts, and that's a whole different topic because we're not talking about the same species or or animal at all. What do you want to do? You want to talk about that now or do you want to hold it for a later I mean, that's a you and I talked about that earlier today when we set this appointment up to do this recording, and
that's fascinating stuff. You want to wait or you want to talk about yourself, I'll get in. I'll get into it. I'll say about the other encounter in the sunlight. We were up there and up an Oklahoma area and the came Echeas and we actually was waiting for one other ties to show up next morning. And where we had up there's a wildlife management area that bus right up to the It's an old camp ground. I mean it's and it's old. I mean there's no no water, no electors, no anything.
It's just an old fishing camp. So it is. Of course, I poughked my truck up there in front of the tent, and uh, you know, it was colder and naild, and this was a mid February and we're sitting there and we're asleep. Of course, I got my little little rat terrier. Of course, you know, he thinks he's a pit bull all. He thinks he's mean, but it's about twenty pounds of of nerard
fatness is all he is. He thinks he's something. But he just said, it looks like a big old sausage with a little head on it. He's crazy. Ye oh yeah. Well, Dylan is about about two o'clock in the morning. No, he needs to relieve itself. So he opened up the tent for him, and I said, look, just just step out and move to the ride and you'll bill okay. You know, of course my dog needed to go at the same time. Well, the dog
goes out around the edge of the channel. I've been hearing I've been hearing something move around back behind the chant, which I didn't think much of it because they have a lot of raccoons. We've done run a couple of them alls. They trying to take her. We've made some soup and unless the cans out. Of course they got my trash. Had to run them off, and didn't think a lot about it. But then I kept hearing something, and it's something first time this has happened. You heard something sniffing,
sniffing around the base of the tent. It was more than asually than a year or year. I was, you know, very deep. I mean, the breastless thing was when is in Helen was quite large, and I'm sitting there thinking, and every once in a while, as I could hear a year or something slapped the fabric of the outside of the tent on the
backside. So and I hadn't heard it for a while, but evidently one of these things, whether it been a had a lesson a younger one would be my guest must have been kind of hunkered down on the back shide of the canny real plus proximity of it. So when the dog walking on that first corner, you would have thought he got hit by a car. He screeched, scared the hell out of me and my son. He saw the
back into the tent and he's got done yet. So you can use your imagination if there was a rainbow in the air, right, and that's why what the hell and the dog applied back in the tent. He was still year and I on himself and then I hear the same runoff I jumped out of ten, I hit the spoiler, of course, go through it. I'm looking for an eyeshine morning, any shadow a career, I'm looking for eyeshine. It's always a nice red red year, you know, a glowing
red eyes. You know why there's that color, I don't know, but let's just I look for sea. It wounded up being more funny than anything, but it was scarier at the time because you know, he's a poor fellow, he's the ass he's asked away heading there, and dogs come to speech it in haller and buck around at him, and and then if they think passed up, takes out run and carried me that it all happened, because that was, you know, all just relaxed, just laying there and
and all this brake flews. It's like he to say, I didn't sleep sleep a winkle wrestling night, and or did he? And he you know, we slept in the center of this tenth and six man tenth. You know, it's just it's just one of the one of the simple, I guess, simpler encounters. But for as aggressive I mean, we've been, we've been run out of the woods like on day tres the stuff myself and not my son on Listen to my colleagues. We've had these things literally chase
us out. I mean you they chase us out. We were running from it and it was running behind us, and when it got to the tree line and we broke into a clearing, gets close enough to our vehicle and we've had it, you know, a dent knocked into the back of the trunk and stuff like that on the quarter path back behind the right rear wheel, you know, as we took off flapp it's real good like it and
it was dark, but I mean, yeah, it was coming. I mean if we wouldn't have been a few steps ahead over or we don't know what would happen, to be honest with y'all, be just your speculation there. I mean, it may have let us go. It may have mold us up. I don't know, but I know it was started out chumping, jumping things at us and screaming and are in a very valid manner. We may have been too. Plus may have been a cub, you know,
young and they're somewhere. We've only seen one female in my time, you know, of course, you can see shed breast and everything, and she was a little out of it about making sure we didn't come any closer than the males. Chimed in and they run us out of there. They let us o real quick. They did not want us there, and of course we listened to their instruction. You know, we got out of there.
Dealing with one's a look different than three or four. I mean, we've been surrounded by I would say three to four these things at a time. And it's not like, you know, it's a real top family unit. I've never been even near one that I know of, But I think I'm gonna know if they want me gone. And you just know that, don't you? You feel it? It's not that you you know, sometimes you get this an's look. I'm being watched. You really need to pay
attention man watching. If it's still like something watching them, You'll tell yourself, now, Hall never know that to happen out here, and you keep that feeling. Chances are you know I heard you saying something other or not about you'll put up your gear nets and stuff dearly. You'll let deer come in and pick your fruit trees and your stuff like that, you know,
thrown them up for you. They follow them, you know them berries and if you've got berries, and when and while the fruit and stuff like that growing and the gear are coming. I can assure you you would there be any kind around your house that you've got one somewhere, not real far from you. Just the crazy things they do. They just do some whether it be horse trading with you know, they'll take your stuff and leave your skull. You'll find the skull that you know wasn't there the other day, rock
that don't belong in that area. They'll just show up. You'll find them in a power or stratch up or even up by your house. Sometimes you'll find you'll start focusing on things that you never would have looked for before. When you start once they let you know that, hey, this is what I do. You know, everyone has got their own calling guard, I guess you would say. And you'll find the limbs and aren't from any trees that you have right there in your immediate area. You know, sometimes it's
people just overlook at you see a branch. Again, we really don't process that, but you go look at that kind of something that's that simple can be the difference whether you have one run in your media area, immediate area, or if it's just passing through or migrating to north or south and looking for a mate. There's just so many difference, just so many different scenarios
it can play out. That's funny. Every time I talk to somebody out they say something, it's like you just mentioned, there'll be a tree limb laying there that doesn't belong there. On one of these old logging roads that I take my dogs back on, there's a bunch of hardwood back there, and then there's a bunch of pine pine thickets. About a week ago, we had a pretty good wind come through and I walked pack there was a
pine branch right in the middle of the road. And I walked past it two or three days in a road, and then I stopped yesterday and I was going to move it out of the way, because I run my four wheeler back through there every once in a while. And I got to looking around, and that's in the middle of the hardwoods. There's not a pine tree for a hundred yards in either direction. And I know the wind wasn't wasn't strong enough to blow it through the woods. And all the way out
in that road is that what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Something just that subtle. It's something that's subtle that they may be putting that there to see if you realize that that's even happening. And then once they see that, it draws your attention. You may be looking for more of those type of branches, even closer to your house and just keeping eye on things like that, and then things I like that. I mean,
rocks, rocks are their favorites. Rocks. They'll bring rock, river stones and some types of a larger pea, gravel and stuff. Well, there's none of this around hearing What the hill is this rock doing way up here? I mean, where did this come from? I had dug up one of these around my house of twenty Here is where this come from. Sometimes, you know, they'll set it in the most obvious place where they know that you. Frequently they see, you know, walk your animals,
dogs, you know, notice some other things. You've got a good plan I call it, or a family unit. They see that you're In general, they don't like dogs because dogs give them up. Dogs will for the most part start barking at them, give away their location and stuff. And this is why you hear so many dog fatalities and injury to dogs themselves in that nature because and that's what happens now. And you do also have the
ones to see that you love and take care of your animals. And they also they know what affection is. You know, they have it as a family units. I can see primate thrillas you know, mother's holding their young that they actually nurture, the nurture their own and they recognize that you don't have a negative attitude or they can feel these things. And you know, you can feel attension. You don't have to see it. You can feel it if somebody's upset or in their body language, you can you know they
read a lot off of that. Dogs can pick that up. I know that about dogs. They know when I'm tense, and they know when I'm angry, and they know when I'm happy. And so yeah, I agree with that. That is so funny. Horses number one. Yeah, I'm I'm horrible with horses. I I avoid them. Every horse I've ever been on tried to kill me, so I just stay away from him. But that's funny because Rick Wells Woodbooger Farm. Are you familiar with him. I've
heard the name. I don't know personally. He lives up in Kentucky. Just a great guy, and he emails me every once a while. And after he heard that heard me say that, he was like, you got them. You got them there. If they're picking all your blackberries, you got them. I just can't here, I can't. I just can't believe it. It's just hard for me to believe because I just don't. I'm
not that observing, I guess. But anyway, well, now, so through all your studies and you're it's not scientific study, but you're you guys are observer, and you're always looking for anything different, anything strange that you cannot that you can connect with these things. And then you just start putting two and two together, don't you? And you yeah, a lot of it is times it's like the first cast I casted from down in that area you know down there, you know is you know, it's outside of Paris
taxes and I got this cast. Well, mister Chilcut, which I know, you remember that name, he was at forensic. He does all the fingerprints and the footprints and stuff. This is what he does. And of course Jeff Melgram and my footprint got presented to him. That's why he was you know, they have a big foot college in Jefferson, Texas. Once you hear my cast was presented to him, and he went over with a fine tooth gull and it was it was deemed of an unknown primary appreciate.
It was you know what we call it, thirteen seventy six. I mean it wasn't the thirteen inches long, seven inches across the ball, six at the heel. And this one. I'd seen this thing at nighttime from from probably about seventy five yards. We built when we go out, we'll build two or three different fires, dummy fires would call them, you know,
but we and we'll sit at one. But we looked and I could see something messing around the fire or the glows of the hambers and the fire, and of course lo and behold what over then we can see it was, you know, it was messed with and everything. And of course didn't see it very clearly to that next morning. Well, man, just a perfect footprint. Many hit all the toes. I mean there's so much detail. I mean, see the toeails. You could just see. It's such a
perfect cast. And you know, as my first cast to personally cast myself. So it was a real big deal to me, you know, and I still got into this day. It's like, man, wow, you know, yeah, the footprint, you know, Okay, they're hard to come across and couldn't do it smart. They're very smart trying on to leave tricks. And that's why you see a lot of these, a lot of these videos and these pictures of these trees that are bowed over. You know,
they'll use these things. They'll jump up off tree and they'll swing on the dude, you know, bowl at tree over. Of course that helps some skip about twenty foot you know when they get up on these trees and ride the top of other back down to the ground, and you know, it throws you off and it helps to different things. You know, I've heard this before and I agree with it. Is the tension off that tree that bowl is over. It keeps from the impact, the landing impact.
It probably helps some absorber injury. You know, when you have something like that, it you know, helps cushing their fall. It kind of like a spring. It gets so far and then as they go over and there are already on the ground. But you see these mainly in pine trees because they're flexible, and these little Douglas furs and stuff like that. You'll see them, you know, arched over and you'll start seeing that, and a lot of the woods. If you start really walking through and paying attention real
good, you'll see these things. These trees are just arched, perfect arches. Well it's not from winterfall or snow the way to the snow hanging on them to give that appearance. But then you got all these other trees are right around it that aren't doing anything. So any more. You start looking at that. My wife and you know, started getting real good and noticing tree breaks and twists and man, we've tried to simulate them with chain tongs,
chain ranges, strapp ranges. All right, well that's interesting. I got trees bows too, But we're not gonna go off on that rabbit hole. Let's see you got them. I'm I'm gonna keep saying I don't. But but you know why I say that, because I live in North Mississippi and we're just in the mud. We don't have any rocks or you know, it's just went all winter long. We're just in the mud. And I look, I've gotten to where I just kind of I'm not used to
looking down while I walk, unless I'm looking where I'm stepping. But I've gotten where I kind of I'll check down, you know, for thirty forty yards, and then I'll start looking at everything else. And I never I'm looking for a track. If I ever saw a track, I'd say, yep, up there here. But uh but anyway, now you got how long? Let's see, you got into this in two thousand and eight, is that right? Well, that's that's when I had my first That's when
we had our first siding. Now I mean I got I got into it and started actively researching, you know, going out as a as a team, as a teammate or know, the part of an expedition team. Probably around two thousand, two thousand and one. And you know, of course
I was. I was on the computer, non stop buzz research and the actually are I live he Actually you can look it up on the database on the website you look at, you know, the sidings database as one you look for, it's gonna be uh I believe it says many old Texas on it. And actually it's a stone's throw from my house now, and there's actually a lady that lives and I know exactly where the else is. I mean, we went did an interview this lady. You can actually see where
hunter children they're that a German shepherd dog at the time. And they went back to just right behind the house, and the husband was a church driver. She started having you know, hearing things and stuff like it was didn't think much of it. But one day they went back to pick a bush a little blackberries. The dog kept getting in front of her, turning to
blalker from getting to the BlackBerry bush. A huge bush. Man is huge because this thing stood up from on the backside of it and a towered above it, and of course give him a good stare down. Of course the dog. They beat the dog to the house, you know, so uh and you can and you can look that one up. I mean that one that's that's been verified and uh, that's out. There's another church family just out there behind the lake fork and which is twenty miles probably from where that
siding is. Family coming home from church. Notice the one we're behind the spillway by the dam and it's very open there. I mean you see one you watch it run for hundreds of yards before you get back into the woods, and they watched it across you know, Highway one eighty two or FM one eighty two which is behind runs behind the dam. But like four, you know, this is a family coming home from church. So let's just two starlings try here. And there's been several others that wasn't reported. You
know a lot of people were afraid to being ridiculed. And and then you don't understand that better than anybody. I got family that rises the hell out of me over it, and I'll tell them, well, you know, instead of ridicule, I mean what you go out, No I would Okay, I'll see how that is. Just share it. Then when we go see the truth, you know, and you can't gantee you know, I can't know. I'll take you out and this is going to happen. I
can just about promise you're here. Tree knocks and man calls if you know what you're listening for. I can about day and see that I happened. But can I guarantee you one's gonna walk up into camp. We've had that happen just everybody else doing everything. And uh, you hear something about pedal, you know about pele coming up behind us in the woods, just just just like you are coming up from from ben out fishing, come walking back up into camp, and of course just stop shout out outside of camp.
I mean you know, you're talking twenty thirty feet just outside of the glow of the fire and you hit the flares unit out that way and you can see it standing everybody as large as life. And then myself with a guy with the video. You know, you're trying to document, document everything, I mean, every question. I mean it requires sty calcular evidence. I mean it requires this, so we get in after it. Mean you know,
we run in after it. I mean trying to get a shot, get that money shot, you know, right yea, and uh, of course we've already with the group and everything. Of course a lot that stuffs copyright, so you know, of course I can't think anythink anybody. But you can go MK Davis's web and you can see some of the video. I mean, we've got three of them in one frame to them having a pushing match and a bigger one shows up that just makes these things look like
look like nothing. I mean, this things huge and it's just pushing gen foot plus I mean, and you can see it. I mean, you know, it's always blurrier. What they don't know in these videos is you see these you see these creatures, but it's not a direct shot at these creatures. What we did or we did to be able to capture these things because they're very camera smart. Like I said, these things are masters in
their environment. You know, we'll here this time and time again if people put game cameras out and being messed with, turn torn up, disappear. You're here this time and time again. But we got them interested in mirrors. We set mirrors up against trees and we shoot the camera at the mirror which would reflect show you the reflection back behind behind them. So some of the shots are you know, they're a little boy. You still see what
they are, you know. And there's a couple of m J. Davis uh uh and each Texas uh you can you can see you can go watch him yourself and and kind of look at him. There's one that it's joined into a garden, a garden area and this is right inside our friend's house. I mean, they go in and take corn. I'm not sure if he's got that one on there, but these steps over the sense comes back out with a corn cob in his mouth. And it's a it's a very
small one. The thing about a thousand real thin, you know. It didn't feel it out yet, I don't mean, but it looks like it's a little small hairy man and it moves a lot quicker, and it's got a long ladies steps side over that ball fare fence, like you know,
the steps over the mirror. How big a mirror do you use? We use like the mirrors that you see on the back of here, like a little free or four dollars mirrors you buy like loaths and did you get on uh you put on the back of your doors in the bedroom or something real fee. It's cheesy. They're about or foot by true foot or foot by
foot and a half in with and you're just uh. We prop them up against the trees and different angles, and of course shoot the camera, you know, mirror You point the camera half the mirror, yes, sir, and that gives you the reflection back behind you in any angle you want to watch. That is that is a brilliant way to do that. I have never thought of that anyway. Go ahead. When we started doing that,
our luck change change for the better. I mean, we started getting we started getting crazy, you know, just crazy video, and it's like, wow, that's all we have to do. It's like, you know, and of course you everyone to come up every this is one big one. He come up in a it's seen its reflection in the tree on the mirror, and of course the tree that it was showing it thought there was another sess. Watch ever, so it attacks the tree, you know, and
you fit in. This tree's huge and the trees and old Peno is probably a hundred years old. It's four foot in diameter five foot at the face. This thing hits this tree. It sounds like a truck hit in the tree, I mean, and you can hear the upper branches rattle. Of
course, dimind you, this is the middle of the night. You got the r glow from the hour, you know, light on it, so you never see anything besides some gray you know, you see some charcoal gray hair, ducally, and you hear this thing grunt and it stuff like you're trying the roots. This tree is giving it all. And had it been a smaller tree, you know, two three foot, I would believe it might have got it to lean a little bit. But now let me I
know everybody listing is there. I can already see the comments. Where are the pictures? Where are the videos? Where are the pictures? Where everybody wants to see the pictures and videos? Do you have a do you got does your group or do you have a social media side or something? A lot of that stuff is it's coffee, right, and they do not post a lot of it. However, one of the members did release a couple of them too. If you go to MK Davis, very well known,
he tried to and hand do some enhancements on it. You can actually look look up at the MK Davis Parish chexes and he's got a couple of videos. An error and them two in which I told you you got one called Whitey running. He's got off. There's a white one and it gets taught by the reflection of the camera, the camera to the mirror like I'm Tanya wasn't twenty directly, if you can see this thing running from left to ride, it comes back behind the barn and it's across a ditch and back behind
the house. And see this thing the blistering speed in which it can move at that size. First of all, jaw dropping, and of course you still have the three that the two having a shoving match. There's a white one in black one having a shoving match. And then this big one comes into view and right behind it there's a tool shack at the edge of the eve of it is. It's seven foot and you can see this thing. I tell us above that evil that tool shack a foot and a half to
two foots so. And there's another one that's down in the ditch. You think it's doing something else. What it is it's a local bread that we had put out. And they're not big lovers of bread. They love little daby snacks. Yeah, man, I'm telling you that they lovel like a little three month of the gear of art. Yeah. They We've found out if you screw a bucket of the tree and cut the lid in half, top portion of it on working at the bottom, the raccoons and stuff can't
get in there foot off the ground. So the whole whole corns in there. A little davy snack you can file. You can follow the rappers for day. But we put a local bread in there. Ever now and then a whole oval bread. Well, you see this video of this local bread getting chunked into a creek basin. You know, you know a lot of increase down there. They're dried up and some of them have water, some of them dump. But you can see this level bread just get chunked and
land into the to the creek bed. And then uh, if you just follow these videos all them from Paris takes down there, you'll see you can see all of these and then they're you know, they're free to view to the public. And you know, of course everybody, of course Lottom are
got low ye low light editions. You'll see a hunter go across and then you know, not but a few minutes after there, you'll see this smaller black would just come running across your screen and it goes out of screen and comes back to the creek and it comes up and you'll see one of these pine trees that I was talking about the boat over and you'll see this thing come up and run over the top of it and back down back and behind
the camera and he comes a younger one for the snicker really paying a kitchen and it being videos. You know, so you get on this website, you can definitely see if you get into the m K Davis. You can find a few of those, okay, is he so we're real clearer because people won't want to know is this his Facebook page or does he have a YouTube channel? It's a YouTube channel. You go under, look under m K Davis and look at MKA Davis. Anything to do because be put in
past texts and those videos should pop up. Why he's run shoving match, they'll all be rut there kind of a sequence, you know. It's the one that he got permissions one of the landowners. He got these all all these you're gonna remember, all these are good on vhs back of this time frame. And then he converted you burn them on and he made them a deal. So I'll put these on a disc or so he put them on a disc and uh and hanced them. The best is good and he did
a pretty good job. I'll make sure and find that channel and I'll link it in the description below so everybody won't. I get so many comments about no pictures, no proof. I ain't listening anymore. And so we found a place where there's going to be some good pictures and videos. So I'll if I can find it, I'll put it in the description below. Rodney. So where are y'all at now? Are y'all still actively hunting big foots or I don't. I'm not saying hunting to kill them, just hunt them
down, trying to find them, get get visuals and more evidence. So y'all still actively out there doing that? Yes, sir, that is something we do year round. Like I say, there's more more time, there's
times that they're more predictable. You know, there's certain don't we know for sure that they're going to be in these certain areas moving through whether it be done then the Paris Parish area up in Oklahoma area, you know, and of course you look like there's been sightings up in Oklahoma's where we're in idabel op By where time meets east and is the thing we've been challenged with in the very recent Like I said, we planned a couple of yearly expeditions,
you know, where we is a big team in itself. I mean, we try to get everybody that's part of us to go. You know, we always have big plans and a lot of times on lass of people show up, but we always have a great time, a great group of guys and gals and for the most part, you've got, you know, the
youngsters and stuff like that. We kind of keep them reel then, you know, and then these times because we've recently noticed that we've been challenged by a different a different species of these things than what we're know your southern big foot type to Patty talk big foot. Okay, this is where we start getting into what you hear more and more of every day of these were wolf tup things. He's dogmen. We've taken some pictures and come up with a
couple of the's domen. But this other thing, we have no clue what the hell it is. All we know is that's extremely it's extremely violent and aggressive, extremely and kind of feel and fear is that these things have kind of pushed our normal pat beefoot families kind of pushed them either up further in the kind of she's or elsewhere. You know, I've got a friend and I actually I've got him listening to your channel. Now. He's very he's
a very avid disappeared to listener. Now. He listened to you every night. He actually writes his own he writes books and in relations too. And I know I know he plans on get in touch with you. But I know he had the first week experiensible of these things. Was he almost got taken down by a couple of these things. They were had it not been for the significant others sitting in the vehicle, you know, fifty sixty yards away that could see the line side she had she could see these two things.
One was coming toward him and otherman was flanking him, coming around, but they were on force. He knew he knew the one was there, and he was backing out towards the shoreline, saying, you know, if I'm gonna make it down here, I'm going in the water and missus February two years ago. You know, I think it back at him four years ago, and he was scared for his life. You know, there was a couple of straight dogs down there, and straight dogs can let him know
that something wasn't right. And then that's when he caught a grint of the one on fours. It was on fours and it was moving the high grass. Of course there was you know, there's a lot of a lot of heavy brush and stuff through there, but it wants to catch the top of the head because it was moving. Of course, the significant other was yelling at him hey, there's another one that's coming around your other side. And had it got around, if he wouldn't have got on the shoreline and started
being lining it back to the vehicle. But he might not have made it out of there because they had every intention and he even felt it instead it itself they had every intention on killing me, because I have no doubt I felt it. I know they were coming for me, he says. I think it's because I got in. She was already cranking the truck up all the time he got to it, and they were peeling out of there. The dogs, he said, the dogs, there's a cart there because there's
no boat ramp. The two dogs went under the cover and went he said, he washed them as they you know, they beat him to the truck, and they got up in the cover and went up for a pretty good way so they can reach there and get them. But he said, they got in that truck and no hall buns out of there. In that same area, and my son and I and one of his friends part of this group. Now, we went down to the same area as you know, we've been going through for years and years. And as soon as we got
there and I shut the deck lead of the car. I heard a very loud, loud, single tone call come from the rod down the shoreline, as I would call it, in the thicket area for twenty yards off the bank of this leg. We started walking in, of course when I took them in. So we're gonna walk the shoreline. We're not gonna cut through the woods. We're gonna walk to the shoreline the whole way. So we went in there about, said he, five hundred yards, and then started
hearing something big coming and moving through. It sounded like a big horse, amound horseback coming through the thicket, and it came, you know, just the area covered such a short amount of time or there wasn't any doubt or what it was. And then you could hear something else to the east of it, running and coming from another direction. I said, okay, guys, my son he knew kind of what was up, but he hadn't even dealt with one of these. I didn't want my first, my first experiension
wanted to be be that negative either. I said, y'all, stay my hills, don't stop them turn around. So we walked out of there, and orse she could hear these things and they were coming, but we had a pretty good jump on them, and you know what, you and I had to walk through or around. They just mow or like you know, three or fourint sapling. They don't have to. They just go over it.
They don't have to. They sweep their arms across the clear paths as they're going through, and you can see see the stuff moving up behind. It's like there's nothing to streams out of the way. So we got to the car. We bolted. Man, we got out of there, and what's I called my colleague, I tell them us the man, they're still there. I said, uh, yeah, I was afraid of that. You know. Ever since then, these things, it seems like they pushed
her. You know what I call our our friends and the ones we've been dealing with for years and years, I pushed them out or something. I don't know what's going on there. I really, I really can't answer that, but it buys bothersome to know that, you know, we don't. We're not getting to deal with the same thing. You know where our most active places up there in Oklahoma, and we got the same thing going on, but much bigger, much bigger in size, and much more and uh
in attitude. You know, do you have any theory, do you have any theories on what's what's happening? Well, I think personally, you know, some of the other guys can to agree. I mean, whether it be from you know, I think we talked about whether it be from a rogue or embreading or a shallow Jean pool. You know, these things are forced to mate and or sometimes they mate gets their wheel and you know, I think it's a bad traumazon here there or something and you get a different
different species. But well, we've noticed that these have a little bit more of a of a smeut on which which will you know, these teams talk about werewolves. I've seen a werewolf whels. I think this is exactly what they're seeing. Monasty minasty is I don't you know? And seeming years on these particular ones, like a dog man, you can clearly see a muzzle their eyes in a couple of years. Uh, you know, al these
I have not seen. It looks just like the set squad, a massive head sitting on top of the set of shoulders, master set of shoulders. From what we get from the waist down, it almost looks human. You know, it don't have a it's just like a person is. It's just it's kind of crazy, but of course it's very muscular and everything. Well, I haven't really seen any years like we had on some as photos of
like Scott Partenter, you know, he's got some pretty good features. Scott Garmers got some good steel pictures of the dog men and stuff like that from the go pro when I was back tape, so you know, we can go back and look at that stuff. But you know, this is this is something we're having to learning curve for us because we really don't know what expected, you know, besides aggression. And right now that you know that's
all, it truly showed us his aggression. We haven't seen any type of i'd say friendly communication like from other sad squastionably you know, the leading gifts and stuff like that. Just a whole different, whole different creature, you know. And as I find out more and more, I would definitely be in touch with you, let you keep you updated on what we find out. You know what our resolve is, you know what our plan is.
That would be great, that would be fantastic. I'm so interested in this that how I may start calling you every couple of weeks and hey, what's going on? But you just feel free to do it. Well, I don't want to bug you. I hate bugging people, but um but I might. I might send you a text or something and see what's going on. That's fascinating. We'll listen. We're at we're at a minute seven or
an hour or seven minute. Some people say they could listen for two hours, but you know, YouTube creators, we have to look at our analytics and what happens is on when they go over an hour, your retention time drops way off. And what that means is people start dropping off halfway through the video. And but will you come back when I know you have a
ton of more stories and events? Oh? Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, We've got some few other things to tell us on, you know, just we'll get into it at another time and hopefully I'll have some better things to update you with. I mean, you may go. You know, of course, scientifically is true without a shadow with out there is one. And uh, you know, we realize that you have to produce a body to do that. I'm not saying where else we just want to go kill one or
anything like that, that's not what we're about. But to the scientific community, and you know, be honest with you, I don't know if you've presented a body, if you know, it'd be hard to get us a scrutiny of that too, because then it goes that I can't believe you get that. You know, I don't believe you kill one. You know, according to some people, there's been several of them killed, and which would make you wonder if people in the scientific community have not seen these things and
examined them. And there's some I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but usually there's a reason, you know, these things are kept quiet. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, but there's a lot of people out they're saying they're killing them because they're nuisance. They're a nuisance, or they're a threat to their family and our livelihood. And I know, any any man with a firearm, if some kind of animals, you know, rampageing at
you, or you're gonna shoot it. And yeah, even if you don't think you're gonna make it out, no, you're gonna start shooting it. You're gonna put the herd on it. Anyway. But uh well, listen, Rodney, thank you so much, and you I really really would love to talk to you again and and and I'm sorry it took so long to get together on this, but this was fascinating. You're you've got that well.
I don't know how to say it. It's like if I met you at the at the restaurant in the morning at breakfast and we started talking, we probably sit there for three hours just shooting the bull and oh yeah, they get the gable gears you go. So thank you very much. As there are any parting words or anything you'd like to say before we sign off, Well, man, I've just done. You know. I really appreciate and respect what you do. You know, I think you do a lot
more for the biggest community and what you give yourself credit for. I think by you standing up and doing what you do, you know, you surpass a lot of people. Even though you haven't had your own personal experience. I believe you may. I believe you maybe a lot closer than what you think in your good time. And I think one will reveal it steals or something. But uh, and I appreciate you, and I know what I
said. I told you this before, you know something I was listening to you every morning on the way in, and uh, we really we just really really respect what you do. And so for everybody I've told you to told them about you and they really enjoy as well. So you just keep on doing what you do. That's nice for you to say that, thank
you. I never dreamed anybody I wouldn't want to listen to me. But it's just, you know, and I just started this thing just as kind of a fun thing, and it's gotten It hasn't gotten more serious for me. It's just it's taking me down a rabbit hole of carry piosity. That's that's crazy. And I've had some things go on. But what I try to do is I've had a couple of a couple of things that I've never talked about, and because I don't want to make this channel about me,
I want to make it about the topic and the story. And that's because that's what's important to me. The minute person hosting a channel makes it about them, it just to me, it just gets boring. But that's just me, So I try to avoid that. Maybe some doubt there and they're just anecdotal kind of things. They're no in your face type of things. But I appreciate you saying all that, and I'm glad you're thank you for
recommending the channel to your friends who are interested in the channel. It means a lot to me that people who are in the in the world of Bigfoot approof of what I'm doing. And I take a lot of crap from some people, but for the most part, people are really nice about it, and they understand my position. They know where I'm at and I'm not, you know, I'm just I don't claim to know anything. I don't know anything. I don't know nothing. Man. All right, man, let's
mind us up. I'll have this video up probably in uh I don't know, maybe a couple of days, and I'll send you a text when it's up. But Rodney, thank you very much for spending time with us. We all appreciate it. Not a problem, sir, I enjoyed it, all right. Talk to you same brother, Yes, sir by By bye.