Brandi Healythis is like my 9 year old daughter's a manifester and like, it's top of mind because we just had recital weekend. So it's like leading up to recital, there's like dress rehearsals and you know, all cast rehearsals. Some of these rehearsals go first. Four hours, you know, and these are children in like full hair and makeup. I call it the baby drag show and they have the best time and they love it. And like, she's.
All in, you know, over the course of a weekend, there's, you know, could be four or five shows, but I've seen it happen. And now I know to plan for it the day after recital weekend, we do nothing. Because she's going to need, like, a full day in pajamas, like, watching movies and, like, napping. And, you know, we learned the hard way after, you know, one of the first recitals, and then once I...
I'm like, Oh, like, yeah, she has so much energy to get this thing going, probably goes past her bandwidth that like, see it all the way through. But then like, crashes hard afterwards. Welcome to Well Designed. Kyle and I were just chatting. Before we hit record and we had some ideas of some other conversations that we were going to have, but we usually use, you know, a few minutes beforehand to just catch up around what's happening in our lives. And, you know, the.
Sometimes I wish we were recording during those conversations because the things that we talk about,
Kyle WoodI wonder if like, if, if all like podcasts sort of like duos, like co hosts that they all do that they like chat before or, or, uh, actually there's one I'm thinking of where I'm pretty sure they, they do hit record because like the first half an hour of their podcast is usually pretty chit chatty and then it gets into it.
Brandi HealyI mean, maybe that's something that we should try in the future that can make for some nice outtakes. I think, but, you know, when we were having a conversation, Kyle and I, uh, before we got started and hit record, and I think it really helped us understand, you know, let's talk about something that's Top of mind right now and, and, and going on for each of us in kind of a different way. So we just launched this podcast. We've been collaborating for gosh, now almost six months. Isn't that wild?
Kyle WoodYeah. Yeah. Wow.
Brandi HealyLike from like meeting one of just like, let's network
Kyle WoodYeah. Yeah.
Brandi Healyyou know, let's work together. You know, it's been about six months. So this has been, you know, some time in the making and as excited as both of us have been. To launch this, you know, we're kind of in our feelings about it in different ways. So, you know, I was just sharing with Kyle for me when I've been working on a big project and I've had a couple of things, you know, going on in my business, I launched a free workshop for, you know, my audience, I have this podcast that's happening.
Was, had been working really hard on both of those things. Got them out into the world, and once they were like, out and available, I just got really quiet. I stopped talking about them, and it's like, seems so counterintuitive to... I guess how I felt like I should be showing up. So I was shooting all over myself that I should be more excited that I should be talking about it more that I should be sharing about it more. And so, you know, that's kind of what's what's showing up for me right now.
Kyle WoodYeah. I think there's so much energy that goes into a, Project, right? Like, so you put all this energy into like creating a thing and then you overcome all the resistance of sharing that thing with the world. And then. Then you're out of energy.
Brandi HealySo, I think, you know, 1 of the things that came up for both of us, I think was this, you know, in particular. Podcast is so near and dear to our heart and feels. You know, pretty vulnerable to, you know, put it out there and to share. So I was like, I was just telling Kyle, it's like, you know, I'm talking about it, but it's like, I'm almost like whispering about it, not too loud, you know, talking about it to those that are close to me, but.
You know, it, I think it's very easy to think that resistance is coming from a feel of fear of failure. That's like a natural assumption, right? Is that trying new things is scary because we might fail. But in part of the conversation we were having is sometimes the scarier part is that you might actually succeed and get what you want. And I think actually launching the podcast was like the first step to that success, right? It's out there now. I
Kyle WoodYeah, so what, for you, if you don't mind sharing, what does, like, what are those scary parts of success that your, like, I don't know, your lizard brain is? Thinking about.
Brandi Healythink it's the unknown, because it's something that I haven't experienced before. Like, I've experienced failure, and I know we've talked about my profile, I have a three in my profile, which is about experimentation, about trying different things, and, you know, learning from mistakes, so that's not an unfamiliar feeling to me, and I think one of the fears that comes with actually achieving your goals or getting what you want is that unknown of what comes with that. And I think it's, then what?
I get what I want and then what?
Kyle WoodYeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me that, yeah, yeah. For me, that feel fear of success is always around like, um, and you know, I'm going to be too busy and I'm not going to have like enough time for the things that are important to me. And, uh, and now, you know, as I mentioned before, the call was also like, people are going to see me that, you know, I don't share publicly. So, um, So that, that all feels scary as well.
Uh, is it like as exciting as that might be to be like, Oh yeah, I get to share this side of me with the world. It's also like, ah,
Brandi Healyand I think that that's, that's one of the reasons that's what has really pulled us to working with this modality of human design is, you know, The permission that you get to live often could be authentic, right? To operate in a way that feels in alignment, but that doesn't mean that it's easy.
Kyle WoodNo. So. I thought, yeah, so we've talked about today's episode, but we might talk about, because this is a normal thing, whether you've, you're just starting a new business where you've got an existing business and you're launching a new, um, thing, like running a workshop or you're doing something different to what you maybe dabbling, you've particularly been an offline business and now you're dabbling with something online.
I think we all hit those, those sort of points where the wind comes out, goes out of our sails. So we thought we'd talk about the different types, human design types and how, like what's going on there and, and how can each type find ways to, um, Support themselves through these periods. Cause it is something we all go through. It's not, it's not isolated to one person. Uh, so yeah, then we thought that'd be interesting topic for today's conversation.
Brandi HealySo, as a projector, what do you lead into when you're feeling the wind go out of your sails? When your boat is slowing down.
Kyle WoodWell, yeah, I mean, it's a, it's that classic energy thing if the projectors last week we launched, you know, at the time of recording this last week, the first episode of the podcast came out and it also ended up being this just like crazy week, uh, for our family as well and, um, Like all of my energy was going into that and probably not near enough energy to towards relaxing.
And something I learned early on for myself, when I would launch a new product online for my other business, um, I used to, this is before I even knew about human design. Actually, I used to like sit there and. Then refresh my emails constantly waiting for like the first sale to come in. And, um, I would just end that day, like no matter how many sales came in, because I would tell my wife, she would always be like, that's amazing. No matter how many sales came in that day, it was not enough.
And I would just feel gross from being in front of my computer all day and disgusting. And so I worked out on my launch day, you know, in an emergency, I can always access my emails, my phone. But I'm going to go out, we're going to go, we're going to go see someone. We're going to go have lunch with someone. We're going to get out of the house. Um, and away from my computer and just let that first day go. So in a way, I think, you know, I was.
Building in ways to allow myself to relax and recharge. After, you know, it's a huge thing bringing out and you can, like I said, there's all that energy that goes into the creation of the product, all the energy that goes into like.
Talking about it, doing whatever else you have to do, learning new, maybe new skills, if it's something new that you haven't used before and, uh, yeah, so I think that's, that's probably the big thing it's the, I've learned as a projector is like that classic thing that we need, we need a rest. We need to have that downtime after we've used up our energy, like used our energy on a big thing, um, and we've probably overused our energy a bit. To get things really good. Yeah.
Brandi HealyI think in retrospect, I'm like, maybe unwise for me to have launched two things within a week of each
Kyle WoodYeah. Yeah. But it's a, it's a thing as well, especially for like energizer predictors. Yeah, I can do that. But then it's like, yeah, we're really have like dug out a big trough energy trough for ourselves that we need to fill back up again. Yep.
Brandi HealyYeah. And similar to you, like we had some familial commitments happening, you know, in our house as well. So it was like. Exciting things happening, you know, in the podcast, in my own business, then with our family, and it was exhausting. And I think that I certainly had, again, that moment of kind of shitting all over myself. And then I was able to like, really give myself that grace and say, you know, maybe this was poorly planned. That's fine.
And next time, like, you know, can we learn from Kyle and build in some time, some time for us, like post a big launch like this in the future. So, you know, again, it's that three line in action,
Kyle WoodYeah.
Brandi Healyand I found out, I found out and certainly, and certainly learned from it. And I think that. A really valuable lesson for kind of all sacral open sacral centers. So our manifestos, our reflectors, our projectors is, you know, when you know that you're spending a lot of time and energy working on something, really ensuring that you're creating and protecting that time.
For rest, knowing that when you give yourself that downtime, when it's time to turn back on, you'll have the energy to do it and operate. Like, you know, with better quality, because I know if I work, push myself to work a really long day, I am not working at the same quality in hour 12 as I did in like, hour, like, you know, two and three.
Kyle WoodYeah. Yep. So, speaking of, uh, manifests, I think the, for them, it's gonna be pretty similar to projectors. Um, you know, manifestors, the classic thing for manifestors is that they can see the thing that needs to be changed. Uh, they can see how things can be done differently, but they often lack the energy to see that thing through to the end.
So if you're a manifestor working for yourself and you are seeing something through to the end, through to the launch point, you, again, are probably going like beyond your, like, Usual energy levels. Yeah, your bandwidth. And so that is going to feel very, it can be very natural for you to then be like, and also being a manifesto.
And this was one more thing I was going to say for projectors, like projectors launching something new can often be so big to us, but quiet, especially something brand new. So we're not getting that like recognition straight away as well, which can sort of help refuel us. Um, and that takes time. And, and so to manifest, I think, you know, a big thing can be because they can be like such catalysts. You might launch something and like upset a lot of people as well.
People will love it, but there'll be a lot of people who are also like, who are you to talk about this kind of thing. And so that could feel really like defeating and deflating. So I think, um, again, yeah, like you said, for manifest is like taking that time to step back and rest, um, and, and like, bring people in, um, to help them to help to give directions to like, as soon as possible.
Brandi HealyYeah, you know, I think I may have shared this before, um, but this is like my 9 year old daughter's a manifester and like, it's top of mind because we just had recital weekend. So it's like leading up to recital, there's like dress rehearsals and you know, all cast rehearsals. Some of these rehearsals go first. Four hours, you know, and these are children in like full hair and makeup. I call it the baby drag show and they have the best time and they love it. And like, she's.
All in, you know, over the course of a weekend, there's, you know, could be four or five shows, but I've seen it happen. And now I know to plan for it the day after recital weekend, we do nothing. Because she's going to need, like, a full day in pajamas, like, watching movies and, like, napping. And, you know, we learned the hard way after, you know, one of the first recitals, and then once I...
I'm like, Oh, like, yeah, she has so much energy to get this thing going, probably goes past her bandwidth that like, see it all the way through. But then like, crashes hard afterwards. So 1 of our family members was like, Oh, can we do something on Monday? And I was like, Absolutely not. I was like, we need to do it before. She'll still be on the upswing if we do it before recital weekend. Like we can ride that wave, but afterwards it's going to be lights out for, for a bit.
So, you know, we're kind of in that moment and, you know, being able to honor that, whether you're, you know, an adult and you're talking about your business or you have, you know, partners or children in your life, you know, understanding what does that look like for them.
Kyle WoodYeah. Yep. I love it. I'm just gonna write something down for the end. Yeah. All right, well, let's keep with our non sake rules and what about reflectors?
Brandi HealyYou know, I have a client that I've worked with that is a reflector and I saw this, she did a 30 day challenge on her Instagram and the whole time I, you know, it was a mindfulness challenge and every day I see her showing up in her stories. I see her showing up in her posts and like. The content was gold, and I remember checking in with her, and she was like, I am exhausted. I was like, you would never know!
And, you know, it was so interesting, you know, she was like, I'm committed to like, seeing this through, but like, I'm I can see the light at the end of the tunnel that, like, I'm allowing that time for me to take a break and know, like, I don't have to keep that up and allowing for that permission to be like, yeah, I tried this thing. It was a lot for me. You know, I'm, I'm able to see it through. I know that I. I don't feel obligated.
It's something I want to do, but like I've kind of learned now, like that just might be a lot for me. Um, and I think that that's like, you know, a good kind of observation for all of us is whether it's an email that you see come through from another business that you admire or some kind of, you know, content on social media or a podcast, you see the finished product.
You don't see what happens behind the scenes and you don't see the emotions and the thoughts that are going through the person that is putting that out. You're like, this is awesome. Or maybe you have another feeling about it, but like, we always forget that there's like a human being on the backend that has created that and. You know, whether that is, like, often times we make the assumption that it's coming with confidence.
When sometimes it's coming with a lot, most of the time I feel like it's probably coming with a lot of vulnerability, right?
Kyle Woodof, yeah, fake it till you make it kind of stuff.
Brandi HealyFor sure. For sure. I mean, I'm in this parenting gig and we're 13 years in and I'm still faking it. I'm waiting for that make it part to come through.
Kyle WoodYep. Yep. Maybe if you have like eight kids or something, you get to that point. You just need more kids. No thanks.
Brandi HealyYeah, I'm good.
Kyle WoodI have a cousin who has, I think she's got seven or eight. Yeah, crazy. So. So, yeah. So what did your client find helpful to, to kind of like recharge or
Brandi HealyWell, I know that I knew that while she was in it, like, once she was showing up in their stories, once she was showing up with her in her post, what was nice is it was a mindfulness challenge. So she was really practicing what she preached. So, if it was like a day where it was like, go outside, she went outside, you know, if it was a day of, like, You know, meditate or, you know, be in nature, take a bath, whatever the thing was, she was doing that.
So, kind of interesting that the thing that was making her tired was also the thing that, you know, she was using to kind of recharge. Um, and so she, she did say, like, it was a great reminder for her, for her of all the tools that she has, you know, available to her. Um, and I know that she also just gave herself a lot of grace, that it's like, it's okay to not always feel like, 100% on fire all the time about every single thing that you're doing. It's just not realistic.
And so, you know, I think for me, that was really inspiring because I know that there are moments where I feel like I'm going through the motions and to hear from another entrepreneur, like, Hey, I go through that too. But again, like when you're on the opposite side of that, when you're on the client facing consumption side, That doesn't always come through and you're like, this is great content. Like this is, there's value here.
You know, this person is, is, is providing something that they're really passionate about. And it's great. So if you are the one that's creating. Understanding that even when you might not be operating at your highest level that, like, you're still providing value. And I think you could probably speak to this as a fitness trainer. I know. Certainly as a yoga teacher, like, there's sometimes been classes where I'm like, probably wasn't my best
Kyle WoodYeah.
Brandi Healyafterwards. Like, your client, like, you'll have clients that'll be like, that's great. I feel awesome. And you're like, yeah. You know, like there, I follow a trader. Her name's Christy Larson. And she goes, sometimes your medium best is great. It's still really good. So like, you know, I, this client was giving her medium best and it was still really great.
Kyle WoodYeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Focusing on, on being consistent, however that looks. Yeah. And that actually was really helpful attitude after I had kids because it was like, I often did not feel my best, but I knew if I can just show up for a little bit today, um, that's better than nothing. Uh, All right. Let's let's say generators and manifesting generators. Let's look at that because they've got heaps of energy. So they never deal with, with lulls and energy. Do they, what a myth?
Brandi Healyright. What a myth. And you know, like. I mentioned my, my partner is a manifesting generator and, you know, for both generators and manifesting generators, yes, you have heaps of energy, as Kyle would say,
Kyle WoodYeah.
Brandi Healyas long as they're doing things that light them up, but, you know, not everything. Lights them up all the time. And so even in an exciting project, even working with a client that you really love, like there might be tasks. or parts of that job, that experience that are really draining. And so, you know, there is this myth out there that these two types don't require energy and it's just, it's simply not true. And there's.
There's also other pieces of your design that can really inform, you know, what kind of rests that you require. But I think when we're just staying very broad with tight, you know, if you are finding yourself in these moments of putting things out into the world.
And you're kind of, you know, hitting these, these energetic walls that we're talking about, or finding yourself, like, experiencing some of these limiting beliefs, like we're talking about, it's reminding yourself that when you prioritize satisfaction in your life, whether it's work related or not, that really makes you more magnetic. So, you know.
Can you take that beat after the launch to do something you really love that really makes you feel deeply satisfied that you can invest your energy in and say, like, when I lay down in bed tonight, like, what is going to make me feel like, oh, like, I used my energy in a way that feels really good to me today and to try to create space for that.
Kyle WoodYeah, yeah, because even with the energy, you know, the vulnerability aspect doesn't disappear. So that's still there rearing its head. And, you know, I'm a famous, a famous manifesting generator, Brene Brown talked in her second TED talk about the launch from her first. Ted talk.
Like after that came out and she, she talks, if you haven't seen it, she talks about how she, you know, got posted online and, you know, people were watching it and she'd been so incredibly vulnerable about her own story, um, during the talk that she like spent, I think like two or three days, just like hold off on the couch. Cause she was just like,
Brandi HealyPeanut butter and Downton Abbey. That was
Kyle Woodyeah, that's right. A vulnerability hangover. She coined the, or I don't know if she coined the term. She certainly popularized that term and that's been very helpful for me as well. Um, and yeah, so that aspect doesn't disappear. And so that's here where that bit of the. Stuff that feels really satisfying, which obviously for her, watching those two TV shows.
Brandi HealyEating peanut butter out of the jar and
Kyle WoodYes. There you go. Those two
Brandi HealyDownton Abbey, yes. Like, what feels nourishing to you? You know, whether that's physically, mentally, energetically, or, you know, who feels nourishing to you? Like, can you carve out, like you mentioned, you know, I'm going to go out to lunch with these people this day. Like, prioritizing. The things that bring you joy, those things that make you feel really, you know, cared for. And I think that's, you know, that shows up differently for each type.
But I think that that's really kind of, that's the common thread here is. Within your specific type, like, what does that look like for you, and can you, when you, when you have the self awareness to find yourself in these moments, notice and say, like, you know, I'm in this vulnerability hangover, what would serve me right now?
Kyle WoodOkay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And planning, you might even want to like plan that stuff in advance, like knowing that that's coming block those days out for those things. The other thing I can imagine for generators is, you know, lead coming up to launching something. There's a lot of different years, you know, spinning a lot of plates at once. And that I can imagine that could feel quite draining to generators who. Prefer to be more focused on one thing, uh, at a time.
So I think paying attention to that and that, yeah, like a good project that you enjoy or you know, it could be a good way to like direct your energy afterwards. Don't keep trying to like notice if you're still bouncing from activity to activity and that that might still be making you feel really blurred afterwards too. So I've, I've, uh, I've written down some, um, little summations
Brandi HealyLet's hear it.
Kyle Woodeach type. I'm, I'm yet to get one for projector though, so we'll have to work on that at the end. So for manifestors, a pajama day is on the cards, could be the thing for you. Reflectors, uh, space and grace.
Brandi HealyOh, I love that. I want that too.
Kyle WoodYeah, I don't think we can all take a little bit from that, uh, but yeah, I guess reflectors and also other people, if you've got a lot of open and undefined centers, like really playing around that space afterwards, um, spaces that make you feel good, that make you feel nourished and get grace that it's, it is, you are going to be tired for a few days. Um, Peanut butter in downtown Abbey.
Brandi HealyDowntown! Downtown!
Kyle WoodSorry, Downton. I've been corrected on that before. Um, and I've even written it down, uh, Downton Abbey, uh, for our generators and manifesting generators. It's okay to, um, yeah, to take your foot off the accelerator. Afterwards, you don't need to be going as crazy as you have been going. So yeah, that would be my, my advice there. Um, and it might only be for a day and then you'll be twitching. So you want to get back into things, but yeah, give yourself that space. Uh, and then projectors.
What's a short, um. Thing we can say for projectors, we should be able to work this out as two projectors.
Brandi HealyWhat's your thing? What do you do? What did you do this weekend?
Kyle WoodUh, this weekend was still really busy. Um, yeah.
Brandi HealyOr was it yesterday? Or was it yesterday? What did you tell me
Kyle WoodWell, yesterday I had a bit of a manifesto day of pajamas and movies. Um, well, I wasn't wearing pajamas, but yeah, a blanket. Um. Yeah, I, you know, the, that I think going back has, has often been a way of recharging. But also, um, for me, like nature is like a big one,
Brandi HealyMm
Kyle Woodgetting out, getting out in nature. And, um, and I did, I just went for a small, small walk yesterday, even though I felt awful, but I knew even just a short walk out outside would do a lot to help me feel better and recover.
Brandi Healyhmm. For me, I can, when I am kind of feeling Anxious. Physical movement is something that always kind of like helps like bring me back and like it's not always like what you would expect. It's not always going to be something like super aggressive like I'm obsessed with my foam roller. So it could be like.
using the foam roller and like, you know, just getting super relaxed, like doing some restorative yoga, like pretty much, you know, I try to carve out like even like five to 10 minutes a day of doing some really gentle movement. I find really help. It can be feel really soothing. And like very calming and being like, all right, like we're a bit settled. It's not, it's not, it's not all moving as fast as we think it is. So we think it's like,
Kyle WoodYeah.
Brandi Healyyou know, anything for both of us, it sounds like it's just like taking that moment to slow it down.
Kyle WoodYeah. And that was good. I hope everyone listening to this has enjoyed it. Find it helpful to know you're not alone when you're putting something new out into the world and you feel a sense of deflation afterwards or like the wind's gone out of your sails and that's normal and everyone goes through this and I hope you've picked up some something in there that will help you recover, um, Uh, you know, I think grace is probably for all of them.
Like don't, don't beat yourself up about the way you're feeling. Yeah, remember it's normal. And the, the quicker you embrace your type and yeah, you, the different parts of your human design that make up who you are, the faster you'll find yourself back on your feet. There we go. If you have anything you'd like to add Brandy at the end.
Brandi HealyI don't know. I think, thank you Kyle for our chat before and helping, uh, lifting my ass off the ground today.
Kyle WoodHa ha ha ha ha ha. You're welcome. Alright. I'll see ya.
Brandi HealyTalk soon.