Daredevil Born Again season one episode five and six with interest and excessive force. Welcome to level seven, a podcast about Marvel's Agents of S. H. I. E. L. D. And the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's a magical place. Hello, everyone. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery here flying solo to talk about Daredevil Born Again season one episodes five and six. And I'm actually excited to talk about these episodes, not because Samantha's not here, not because Stewart's not here.
For those of you unfamiliar with the show, I don't normally do these solo episodes. I do have two cohosts, Samantha and Stewart. Both of them were not able to be here. I'll talk more about that in just a moment. This podcast is a podcast about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and that means TV, that means streaming, that means movies, and right now that means Daredevil born again. And so just to warn you,
we do spoil everything. And if you're just joining us for the first time here, I am going to talk about these two episodes of Daredevil Born Again with full on spoilers. Not only that, I might talk about things from Daredevil season one, Daredevil season two, and or the earlier episodes of Daredevil Born Again. So that is kind of our spoiler policy. If we've talked about it on the podcast before, we are it's open season
on spoilers. And so I will be talking about in-depth episode five and episode six of Daredevil Born Again, but I'll be doing it by myself. When we were trying to set up a time to record, Samantha, Stuart and I, there's things going on in their lives. Life comes first, that's what we always say about podcasting. Samantha had some family stuff, the baby and and just things going on with that. And I asked Stuart if he could help.
And he said help with what? And I I said can you help record about Daredevil Born Again? He said what's that? What what is that? I said it's a Marvel. It's a Marvel show. And and Stewart said what what's Marvel? I I don't I don't know what you're talking about. And I said well, you you co host a podcast about Marvel TV and movies. And he said, I I don't do that. I'd co host a podcast about Disney, like, about the Disney parks and and stuff. Like, what what are you talking about? What's
this Marvel thing you're talking about? And I said, hey. It's me, Ben. Ben Avery, your friend. He said, who are you? I don't even know you. And it was it was a weird conversation. And, in in the end, he said, well, you should probably record about it yourself. And I said, okay. And and yeah. So none of that was true, but I I do hope that Stewart does end up listening to this episode at some point in time and hears me talking about him the way I used to talk about dandy Daniel Butcher.
So, anyway, I did ask them if if anyone wanna be able to record about this, and they said no, not in a timely manner. And so I said, well, let's I'll I'll go solo and they said that's not a bad thing. Samantha, however, did have some comments to make about this these two episodes. So I'm gonna talk a little bit about that. Talk a little bit about the episodes, why I liked them because I did. I liked both of these episodes
quite a bit. They both did different things, although they do kind of dovetail together and that kinda goes to, Samantha's Samantha's biggest question. So she sent me this note. She said, at Ben Avery, you might want to do a solo episode which is something I don't want but it's becoming clearer that it'll be necessary necessary this week. I thought the bank heist episode was fun and it was great
to see Iosef Khan again. Because all the action was contained in and around the bank, this could be a solo episode to show someone who isn't familiar with a dare with daredevil. It's almost a ship in a bottle episode but all the locations are new to the viewers. And then, actually I'm gonna stop there because Yeah, I'm gonna stop there. We'll talk about the bank episode. We'll talk about that one. And then she has a short paragraph about the next episode.
And then she has, the thing I was going to talk about to launch this conversation, into this particular topic that she has here. But, yeah. Let's talk about the Bank Heist episode. Because the Bank Heist episode, which was actually called With Interest, which goes along with the whole banking theming. So good job. Clever, clever title. The official thing on on Disney is a day in the life of Matt Murdock, goods and tenants, forcing him to team up with a familiar
face. This episode, what I liked about it was it really felt like a well, Samantha called it a bottle episode, but it felt like an episodic TV show. It felt like this was just the bad guy of the week. And if this was regular Daredevil where Matt Murdock is Daredevil in every episode and this would be the one where, oh, he has to figure out how does he take care of the problem without revealing who he is. And he still does that somewhat.
This episode had a lot going on in it and there's a lot of fun stuff. But again, like Samantha said, it was very, very, it'd be easy to just jump in and watch the episode and just see a one off adventure kind of a thing. And which was nice. The one off adventure is it was cool and it was a fun adventure. It didn't feel like network television especially, in one of the fight scenes and and some of the language.
But what they did with this episode is what I wonder they had intended to do with season one of Born Again from the beginning before it kind of got revamped and before they brought in Foggy and Karen and before they knew that this was going to be a show that was going to have, all, you know, a whole bunch of of Punisher and and that kind of thing. Now again, I don't have any special information about what got changed.
I just know that the tone of what they had been talking about doing wasn't to be like a She Hulk kind of a thing, but it was to be more like a typical television show. And and that might mean some more episodic kind of things like I mean, we've gotten that already. I mean, you have the White Tiger trial. That is kind of a its own episode. And and then you have this one where it's kind of doing its own thing. It's not a lot of the, the ongoing threads.
There's there's not a whole bunch of ongoing threads where it's just, we're gonna basically tell one long story. It's not like Hawkeye when they were promoting that as being a six episode series, six hour movie. That's not what they were going for with Daredevil at all. I know that.
And so that does make me look at an episode like this and think, okay, what did they go back and and make did they make a couple changes maybe to make it feel a little more like there's there's more of that that through line for the season long situation? Or was it always just did they need to even do much editing at all? I just feel like that's what they were going for with this episode was here's a one off adventure for Daredevil.
Now what goes against what I'm saying is the way that this ties in thematically to the whole idea of Matt Murdock not being Daredevil. He has given up the the, the mask. And what I really like about this episode is that he has to do daredevil stuff. He's pushed into a situation where there's really no way around it. If he is going to do anything to help, he's gonna use he's gonna be able to use his powers, but people are going to be hurt if he doesn't. And so if he does not use his powers,
people will get hurt. And that's what pushes him into things. And I appreciate that about this episode that they are doing that to kind of push the narrative of Daredevil is not Daredevil right now. I mean this is, how many episodes in are we? Five episodes and we've seen him in costume in the
first episode. We've seen him do a couple moves in the fourth episode and now we see him here actually doing some superheroing in this episode where he is indeed, using his powers and there's not the that's not to say he hasn't used his powers up until this point. But there there's not the equivalent of the the hallway fights from season three, which was amazing. And, I will you will actually hear some of my season three thoughts, if you wait a few episodes because I'm
gonna put compile that together. But if you don't wanna wait, go to patreon.com/welcome to level seven. You can support us for as little as a dollar a month and get early access to most episodes. This episode actually I don't need to do early access because this one, it being just me, there's not gonna be a lot on the cutting room floor of extraneous conversation because, there's not a lot of back and forth.
I do need to figure out a way to talk about Star Trek in the midst of this, but, you know, I I I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that or not. But somehow, you know, usually we find a way. You know, life finds a way. So anyway, where was I? I said there's no extraneous stuff but I I just, do I edit this out now or not? I mean, I was just talking about how I'm not gonna need to but,
oh, yeah. The whole idea of him not being daredevil and then there's some fight scenes and the one fight scene in the stairwell where it has to be silent because they don't want the other bad guys to hear what's going on And that's that's cool. And it was a cool fight. It was tense. And it was it was hard for him to, you know, get the win because he not only had to beat up the guy, but he had to do so quietly and make sure the guy was quiet.
Then you have the fight scene at the end where he has put on one of their masks. Now it's Saint Patrick's Day and you have these Irish thieves coming to this bank and they are there to get a specific, drawer from the vault and it's escaped my mind what they call that. But anyway, that's what they want and they figured out, you know, they're not just there to get money because aren't money in the vaults, those vault drawer things. It's something specific they're after.
And so he they they come in and they have masks on and I appreciate this. I didn't see this coming. I should have Or maybe some of you did. I don't know. Did you? Let us know in the in the comments. But, they take off their masks at the end and he grabs a mask and puts it on. And it just happens to be the red one. And it's kind of funny because we already had a reference when he's talking to Camilla Khan's father about getting a loan. His Camilla Khan's father says, oh you're not
wearing green. Watch out a leprechaun might pinch you because of Saint Patrick's Day. And he's like, oh, But I I really I go for muted colors because I I want to make sure that, it doesn't clash too bad. But he's put on this red mask now. And that is kind of a symbolic moment for him where, okay, it's not just, that I'm doing my duty. It's I am potentially stepping back into this role that I have let go of. And so there he is. He's Daredevil, and he's wearing a red ski mask.
And I appreciate that moment quite a bit actually. I appreciate it quite a bit because of what it means for the character development over the course of the season, not just in that one episode. And so here he is. He's got the mask on and then he's he's he's basically become Daredevil again. And we're all very happy because that's what we want. We want Daredevil back. So okay. So that's a a big moment, a big deal.
You have some small moments that are also kind of big deals because this is the episode where they bring in Kamala Khan's dad. And I know for myself, there were some concerns about bringing Kamala Khan's dad into the show because of, for lack of a better term, tone issues. And what I mean by that is, for the extreme example, I am going to be very glad not to see She Hulk in this show because of tone issues.
It's just she's jokey jokey. She's break the fourth wall and we are in a little bit more of a serious situation here for for these, this episode these episodes this season. And so I feel like they did a great job bringing him in, using him well. I I had no idea that they would bring him in by using him as a a banker and that's gonna be what their connection point is, but it works well. It's nice and and, he has great personality. He's very proud of his daughter and that's
that's very clear. This gives us more ties to each other because of Ms. Marvel, that series, but also because of The Marvels, that movie. And by the end of the episode, he's being invited. Matt Murdock is being invited to a family dinner at the Conant's house. And Matt Murdock says, I will do this, but I would like to do it at a time when your daughter is around because I'd like to meet her. You seem like you're very proud of her. He's also very proud of the local hero
that they have. And it's another nice nice moment where he's talking about his daughter. And it is interesting. I mean, they had to get his daughter out of there because if she knew that this was going on, she would show up. Now she probably wouldn't make it for all the action. I feel like if she did find out, it would be after most of the the
the thing had was done. Most of this event will have run its course before she would have a chance to get back in and she she might show up when everything was all done which actually would be kind of a funny funny little tag scene kind of a thing. But anyway, bringing him in was great. Now there's also some things that are missing from this episode. Fisk is missing. He's not here and the presence or the lack of presence is felt for sure. Muse. We don't get much of muse in this episode.
We don't get much really of any of the supporting cast. This is but again, this is what you do when you have a twenty four, twenty six episode season. Do you you have episodes like this where the supporting cast gets to take the week off and they're still gonna be mentioned in the credits, but they're gonna have time off away from the set. And so it just it worked. I enjoyed what they did with this episode and I it worked for me especially because it was a standalone episode.
And it just felt like another episode in a string of Daredevil adventures. And it would have been interesting to see adventures. And it would have been interesting to see the season that they cooked up and started and had multiple episodes finished and see how that would have all played out if it had been more like this. More like and when I say more like this, more like Lois and Clark, the new adventures of Superman. More like this would be a a deep cut for some people, Nightman.
More like, honestly, Nightrider. More like your do gooder superhero shows where there's a bad guy every week, they take care of that bad guy and once they are done with that bad guy, they might come back. They might come back for another episode, but they're probably not going to come back because we have another episode with another bad guy coming. And and that kind of storytelling
does work. I mean, that's we we talk about like the history of television and it's interesting because there are some shows that are stepping backward. Talk about the history of television, Star Trek, you know. Hey, it's my Star Trek reference. Very good. Very good. Star Trek started out in the sixties, very episodic. What happened in one episode had very very little impact on the following episodes or the surrounding episodes and you could watch in any order really.
The one thing that might happen is they added Chekov for you know a season and he wasn't there in season one but he's there now. But does that continuity matter too much? Not not really. You know that you're on a ship, they're gonna do this thing and they're gonna have that adventure. Then you have Next Generation come along and Next Generation follows that same pattern as it syndicated in the eighties.
But then they wanna bring in another series and Deep Space Nine comes along and Deep Space Nine starts out episodic but kinda makes the shift into a ongoing storyline for the seasons. And so you will have episodes where they play baseball and you will have episodes where they're exploring the Delta Quadrant or the think it's the Delta Quadrant. You'll have those episodes that are stand alone but they're happening against the background of the
dominion war, you know. And that's going on in the background and that's what they're building up toward this big giant climax. And so for Star Trek The Next Generation, for their really strong ending, it was another kind of stand alone episode but kind of like a good series finale encapsulates
the entire show. For Deep Space Nine, it was able to do the same kind of thing where it's referencing those early episodes but it's also building up towards this giant conflict that they had going on in the middle of you know, with with the with war and all that stuff. Voyager does a similar thing with the whole idea of every episode is they're trying to get home. The problem is they they went back to that episodic,
vibe and and feel. But what was happening at the same time as Deep Space Nine was Babylon five. Babylon five was kinda changing things. Now you could say Babylon five wasn't there first. You know you can go back to Twin Peaks. You go back then to really soap operas but I'm talking about science fiction television right now where you have like these kind of ongoing narratives
and Babylon five ongoing narrative. Lost changed everything where it was a science fiction soap opera and it changed the face of network television and, you know, every show that came after Lost felt like they were trying to be the next Lost. You had Jericho, you had the Surface was one and you had all these different shows that were trying to be lost with this ongoing is a novel for television kind of a thing. And then you have X Files, which was straddling in between there
as well. X Files had this narrative kinda going, but then you have the episodic episodes where here's the monster of the week, and now here is just a little bit about the cigarette smoking man has something to do with the monster
of the week, maybe. But then we are gonna go ahead and have an episode that's just about lore, and it's just about mythology, and it's just about these longer threads that they're playing out until you get, like I said, the lost, and then you get to Discovery, back to Star Trek where it's all that single narrative and then you have the pushback and that's what Strange New Worlds is doing.
And Strange New Worlds, they have the mythology going on in the background where you have this kind of through line, same with even lower decks. But to bring it back to Daredevil, I feel like this season, they ended up accidentally straddling the line because of what had come before in their creation of Born Again and what was happening then when they wanted to make it more like the old Daredevil series from from Netflix. And so here we are where we get this standout
episode. This is a fantastic episode. Solid four and a half candies, butterscotch candies, out of five. It's solid. It's really, really good. I really enjoyed it. It's a character piece. You get to see Matt Murdock wrestling with the situation. How do I do what's right? How do I do what's best? I can't turn my back on this. And and then he uses his powers to, you know, open the safe. And he uses they use their logic to figure out we can we need to get only these ones
with these numbers, you know. We got this key but we don't have the number and so we and so they figure it out. There's just good stuff going on here, well written, tightly paced. The bad guys are stock bad guys. Like, they don't have too much motivation other than we gotta get this thing because we we were told to get this thing and we want money, you know, and we'll get paid if we get this thing. But, there's the interplay between the bad guy, the the lead of that lead bad guy and
the the police officer who takes control. And she's can't remember her name right now, but she was with Cherry in the first episode and she's definitely risen up in the ranks. And she's a solid cop and I feel like she's going to be an ally. I hope she's going to be an ally especially considering some things that are happening in the next episode that we'll talk about right about now actually. So the next episode, and let's see. This is what Samantha says about episode six, excessive force.
The muse episode was fun in a dark and scary way. It's interesting to watch Matt and Fisk sink back into old habits. Yes. It is. And that's really what I feel like this episode is doing. Now this episode is also setting up the the the goon squad that the kingpin is is pulling together because there's a serial killer out there.
And he's gonna have a police force that is under his control, that he's going to they're gonna report to him, they aren't gonna have cameras, they are gonna be able to use excessive force, they are going to stop the scourge of vigilantism in in New York City. And I just I hate the word vigilante because I don't know how to say it right. I and I feel like I say it different every time. But anyway, I'm saying it wrong. Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes I'm saying it right though I'm sure
because I say it different every time. I I can't be wrong a % of the time. But anyway, he's he's building that and and that's him doing politics in the old style. When I say in the old style, I mean his old style. The other thing that we get here is we get the swordsman. The swordsman is there. He is there. I, and he is he's here from Hawkeye, and it's nice to see him. He's not a nice guy. He's not a great guy and he's there. He he's nicer than Kingpin though. So there's that.
Kingpin's whole thing is he needs people to support him and he needs money really too to support what he wants to do with rebuilding and revitalizing, part of the part of New York that no one cares about except for him. And people are, of course, very suspect of what is he even doing? Why is he doing what he's doing? And none of the people of the none of New York's elite are interested. And so
he's finding that he's kind of powerless. And in the meantime, he's also finding out that there's a serial serial killer who is using his victim's blood in the artwork that he's doing on buildings. And it's he's also covering it in an epoxy that makes it very, very difficult to even get off of the buildings. And so it's gross and people, if they found out, would be very grossed out about it. And there's back and forth about do we tell the public? Do we
not tell the public? If we don't tell the public, then this guy will continue doing what he's doing. If we do tell the public, then he might disappear and stop. And so it's an understandable quandary that they're in, but Fisk's solution is give me some cops and I'll I'll let them do whatever they wanna do. And when they do whatever they wanna do, they're gonna be able to basically rid the streets of masked people because my cops aren't gonna wear masks and they're also
not gonna wear cameras. And they're also gonna be able to use weapons they wanna use. They're also gonna be able to be creative in how they do things. And yeah, so not a good situation. And of course, you know, we're on a collision course with daredevil and punisher. And a lot of these police officers are guys who are wearing punisher tattoos. And you know, they kinda like the idea of being able to clean the streets their way. So that's Fisk's big, big issue. Then you have
what I was worried about. I was worried about and I think I talked about this in the last episode, White Tiger's niece. Her name's Angel. And of course you got Daredevil and Angel. It's pretty much on the nose. It's like naming a character Faith or hope and you know naming a character hope is gonna get kidnapped and and you have to save hope and yeah it's it's on the nose. It it definitely is.
But that might be and maybe I should look that up to see because, I know that White Tiger's I don't know much more about the the one I'm about to say. White Tiger's niece is the current White Tiger in in Marvel Comics. And let's find out what her name actually is. White Tiger. We have Hector and we have so there's Hector and there's Casper Casper Cole. Angela del Toro. Okay. Alright. I stand corrected. Her name was Angela in the comics.
And I don't know if in the context here in Daredevil, I was gonna say it's kind of cheap. Alright? But in the context there, I don't know if it's cheap or not. And that's not to say I've not even done cheap stuff like that before. I have. When I choose names for my own comics and my novel and and my short stories and things like that sometimes I choose names that have meaning. Usually, I don't go quite on the nose as angel or,
as hope or faith. Okay. But but I do sometimes, find I have twins that were in a a young adult or not a middle grade reader novel that I wrote and the twins were, Remy and Rami. Ram Romulus and Remus. Remy and Rami, they were twins. Although I do have a connection to the name Remus. That is my my mom's maiden name. And so I just gave away a security question, I guess. But, yeah. So anyway, that's why Romulus and Remus is is on my on my radar. And anyway,
I stand corrected. I I apologize to the creators of Daredevil for harping on the name. But still, I mean yeah. So anyway, let's get away from from that. What I was worried about was when she had that interaction with Matt Murdock in the prison after no. It wasn't in the prison. It was in the courthouse, I think.
No. It was at the police it was at it was at the police, police headquarters or whatever because she she was picking or he Daredevil was picking up, Hector's stuff And and the the amulets were in there. And I was afraid that she was going to get the amulet, and she was going to get powers, and she was gonna go and she was going to find herself in over her head fighting against Muse. I was half right. It was worse. She goes after Muse by herself with no
powers, just by herself. And she gets caught by Muse, and she gets brought into his lair. And let's let's face it. If a villain has a lair, that's gonna be a particularly bad villain. I mean, for for one of two reasons. Either they're just not very good at what they do as a villain or they're really, really meticulous at what they do as a villain. And that's Muse. He is meticulous. He brings her in. He sets her down on on a operating bed and it's all dirty and grimy and it's in
the subway. And I'm reminded of the original, Superman. Superman the movie, I should say. There were other some some other Superman stuff and there was even another Superman movie before Superman the movie. Superman and the Moleman. If you're curious what the title was, it's not very good. So I think if you let your curiosity stop at the title, that's gonna be good enough for you. But if you want, you can, you know, seek it out or whatever. But
and there's the serials too, of course. But anyway, Superman the movie, Lex Luthor has his lair in the subway system, and that's what I'm reminded of of here. And so Muse has her there, and he's draining her blood, and it's not very good. And then Daredevil shows up and starts to fight with Muse. Now here is where we get some really good storytelling. Again, I have to give kudos to the people doing Daredevil Born Again round one or round two. Definitely round two because they either put it
in or chose to keep it. Okay? But whatever it is they did and and I did do some reading about some of this. It was interesting to find out the whole interaction with Punisher back in, episode, four I think it was. That interaction that they had was interesting because that was from round one. And they just went back and they're like, well that actually was supposed to be in a later episode but they decided to pull it in. And that's why it felt a
little out of place. It's just like Daredevil all of a sudden just goes to Punisher's place. He knows where it is. He doesn't even have to look for it, and he finds it, and he goes there, and and they have the conversation. And then they added in a couple lines to make it more appropriate to that moment with to have that conversation earlier than what
was originally intended to be. But what was nice about it is it brought in John Barenthol, brought in Punisher earlier so we could see some of what their conflict is is going to be. And also you get that emotional push from a colleague, from a peer. And so for this episode, if they had this stuff happening with Muse already and originally, great. And they kept it, great. Because what happens here is you have two fights happening at the same time but they mirror
each other. They rhyme so to speak. And you know you'll have Daredevil pick up White Tiger pick up Muse and he's about to throw him down and then they'll cut to Kingpin picking up Adam and throwing him down. And, of course, Kingpin is not fighting someone to, you know, for any kind of righteous motivation. He has some anger that he needs to get out and he's choosing to do so the old way. But this is both of them, like Samantha said, both of them sinking back into old habits.
This is Daredevil going and fighting a bad guy, and there's a lot of rage there that he has that he's letting out as he's fighting. And, will be interesting as we find out, is the rage stuff that's happening going to be something that he has to fight through? And he has rage because he's being forced to be Daredevil? Or is it something he's gonna be fighting through because he has this rage and it's it's there in spite of being Daredevil and and and he needs to, you know,
bring it under control. You know, don't let the anger control you. You control the anger. So that that sort of thing. But anyway, the two fights that are happening, they mirror each other. They rhyme with each other because both of these fights have these main characters coming back to themselves. Matt Murdock is in the Daredevil costume. He's wearing the suit. He is Daredevil again and he's doing the Daredevil thing. He's going after a bad guy. And Muse for an artist, you know, you
the guy is also a martial artist. Okay? He's he's not just a fine artist. He is a martial artist. But they have this fight. It's a big fight and it's a brutal fight and and Matt Murdock is using his weapon. Now we also have Kingpin who has that cane and, but the way that they cut between these two fights is really well done and really well choreographed. And so it's not a hallway fight. It's
not the prison fight in season three. But what it is is an artistic violent representation of what is going on in these men's spirit, soul, mind. This is what is happening here as these two men go out and become closer to who they were before. And so, thematically, I love what's happening here in this episode. Now Muse is defeated, but Muse is not dead. Okay? So what what's gonna happen to Muse? We don't know. I have a feeling it's
he's gonna go. He's gonna be on be a lot more careful, but he's also gonna continue doing really bad stuff. Daredal is gonna have to stop him, but in the middle of trying to stop him, you're gonna have the goon squad coming out and they are also going to cause trouble for Matt Murdock. And so the whole situation with Muse is probably going to bring the the conflict with Fisk's cop crew. That's gonna bring the that conflict.
If not to a head, it's going to advance that conflict because Matt Murdock is wearing a mask. And in episode one, I think it was, it might have been episode two, when Matt and Fisk had their sit down together in the diner, Fisk said, don't do it. Don't put on that mask. Don't you do it. And and Matt said, gonna do it in this episode. So Daredevil is back. What does that mean for the next couple of episodes? I don't know exactly, but I've kinda talked about where
I think we're headed. I still do wonder if Angel is or Angela is going to put the the, the not totems. The white tiger necklace on. I I I do wonder that. We'll have to wait and see. Okay. So this is what Samantha said next. This is her third part and this is gonna launch my third part of the conversation here. She says, my biggest question is why this was a two parter release when these were definitely separate episodes. Disney is not beholden to a timed schedule
the way old television channels work. They could have released the finale a week later or lump two other episodes that had a similar tone together as a two parter. I'm confused about that decision but ultimately it hurts nothing. I agree. So these two episodes were released on the same night. And I agree at first I was confused about why they did this. But I am no longer confused because I was sitting down to watch the episodes a second time and when I watched the episodes a second time
it hit me. These two episodes for Matt Murdock anyway, are the same except for degree. These two episodes are about and I don't know if this is what Disney plus was thinking when they did these two episodes together. But these two episodes are about Matt Murdock putting the mask back on. And it's degree. It's it's these steps, you know. And so you have step one where he does the bank robbery and step two where he goes after Muse.
And in step one, he doesn't go into it with a mask but he goes he comes out of it with the mask. And in step two here in episode six, he puts on the whole thing. The whole outfit. The whole kit and caboodle. He puts it all on. He's wearing the mask. He's Daredevil. And so to me, while they are both episodic and they are it's not a two parter by any stretch, but thematically
it does fit together. Now I don't know if this has anything to do with, release of thunderbolts or if this has anything to do with any kind of, timing or release or anything like that. I have no idea. But what I do know is they've released these two episodes together for some reason, and it fit nicely with our schedule because we're we're talking about two episodes at a time now. So that's how we've chosen to do it, and that's how we're going to do it. So worked out great.
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announcement that they made. There is some craziness going on with that, and I'm looking for the conversation that we had on our thread about about what was going on with that. It was crazy. When when that was happening, I just kind of accidentally came across, what was happening. I saw an article and the article said they're doing this announcement. I'm like, oh, I'll check and see what what this announcement is like. And I'm expecting to see,
Kev dog, Kevin Feige. I'm expecting to see him reading off some sort of, well, announcement. And instead what we got was, this five, six, seven hour video. I'm not sure how long it actually was. And every ten minutes, every fifteen minutes or so, they move from chair to chair showing the people who are going to be on
there. And so since Stuart and Samantha can't be here, I'm gonna read the conversation that we had and and just kinda it's gonna be a dramatic dramatic presentation of what was going on. And so let's see here. Wow. This is okay. This is a long one. So here we go. This is okay. So March 26 at 11:59AM. Here's what I did. I'm at work and so I just I have a couple different monitors on my desk at work and one of them I usually have as an extra
screen. I put Spotify on that screen but I also will sometimes do a full screen with YouTube live cameras. And so there is a live cam in the Serengeti Desert that I watch. We ostriches come to this watering hole, zebras come, warthogs come. It's really hyenas come. It's really fascinating. It's really interesting. I also do the ISS station because they have a live feed where you can kind of see what their camera is looking down on and you can look down on the
earth in in real time. And it's crazy because there's actually, like, if it's passing over some place with a storm, you could see flashes of lightning in the clouds. It is wild. It is really interesting. And there's some aquariums, that I'll also watch. Whenever I have the aquarium up, especially one with a shark, I feel like I'm a Bond villain and I'm in my lair with the sharks swimming around behind me. What I did was I put this announcement up
without sound. Now with sound there was some dramatic music playing but I put up without sound. And so I sent the message that said, Cast of Doomsday being announced. Chris Hemsworth as Thor this is from an article. Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, Anthony Mackie as Captain America, Sebastian Stamm as Bucky Barnes, Letitia Wright as Shuri slash Black Panther. Then my next message was and I sent the link right when they were announcing, I can't remember who they were, they are
announcing with the video with this video. In the video, they are panning down a row of chairs and lingering on each chair for ten minutes before moving on to the next one. So Stewart was replying to the list that I sent and he said, so file this under duh. And I said, so far, yeah. Click now to see the next chair. It is it is funny. Oh, that's because that was Paul Rudd's tiny chair. And Stewart says, okay, that's funny. And then Samantha says, I see why
dramatic, dramatic, really reading. Stewart says, okay, that's funny. And Samantha says, I see Wyatt Russell's name. And then I said, rewind a bit to the previous chair. Paul Rudd, why is this announcement so tediously slow? And then I say creating buzz. Stewart says, is this the first TV to film announcement? I think that was because of Wyatt Russell. And and then we got into a little bit of argument about who was the first person to go move from TV to film in the in the MCU.
And let's see. So moving ahead a little bit. I say, so Danny Ramirez jumped from TV to movies, for Falcon and Winter Soldier to brace new world. And then Samantha says brace new world. That would be an interesting movie title. I kid. I kid. And I said, brace is the misspelling you focus on because I really botched up soldier. Stewart says, that's right. Thanks for the reminder. It's still interesting to see TV to film. There's hope for Fitzsimmons. Yes. Samantha says, yes.
And then in her audio haughty voice, I have never misspelled a word in my life. This is how our you know, you have conversations like this. Right? And then Stewart says no one cares about Fitzsimmons anymore. Okay. So next we had Sima Liu and then two Fantastic Four actors have been announced so far. Stewart says awesome. Getting excited for that. I think RDJ as doom is just a diversion. And then we have Yvonne Moss Bachrock, the thing.
And I'm like, I need a 10 times speed version, which they did do. Samantha says I'm scrubbing back every five minutes to make sure I didn't miss a name. And then Stewart TV to film. Oh, micro. Because the thing, Ben Grimm, is actually being played by the same guy who played micro in in Punisher. Samantha says I'm ecstatic that Sima Leo is returning
following the success of Shang Chi. I thought he would have gotten a little bit more attention for being a part of the Barbie movie since he played Ryan Reynolds' rival. And then talk she's talking about Micro. She says, now the Punisher series has seemed to have folded into this timeline and curious to how the MCU is going to handle even double casting. Maybe they could say that Micro and Ben Grimm are somehow related. Of course, I can't imagine Micro making another appearance in the MCU.
Then Florence Pugh's name is now up. I don't know how to stay here name. And then Kelsey Grammer. And then Stewart says toss salad and scrambled eggs. Bob is back. I think he's referring to, Bob from Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons. Lewis Pullman. Samantha says Lewis Pullman. Who's that? Oh, he's playing Sentry and Thunderbolts. Danny Ramirez, not terribly surprised because Captain America has been announced. Then Stewart says wait wasn't Charlie Cox TV to movie for Spider Manpalooza?
Which we're back to that. All four fantastic four announced now. Joseph Quinn was announced. Davy Harbor Harbor was announced. And then Samantha says, yep. And I said, honestly, mister t would not be a surprise to me. They've got everyone in the world. Stewart would be no surprise. Samantha says mister t would be a fun surprise. And then I said and this is where we're getting silly but it's post credit. Right? Lou Costello would be no surprise. King Henry the eighth
would be no surprise. Bobo the idiot talking monkey would be no surprise. And then Samantha says, I haven't seen Charlie Cox announced yet. Did I miss that? No. I say no announcement of him yet. Winston Duke, John Kamen, Tom Hiddleston, Patrick Stewart. That's a surprise. And Stewart says, why is Picard in an MCU movie? And then I said, and Gandalf, Ian McKellen. So we have Gandalf, Picard, and Frasier. What
a crazy movie this is. Things are getting wonky because that's when they announced Alan Cumming. Alright. Alan Cumming. And then they announced Rebecca Romijn, another Star Trek actor. And then, James Marsden. That was the one that really surprised me, James Marsden. Samantha says, if they say Hugh Jackman, I'm gonna flip my lid. And then, I said, how can they not? And Ryan Reynolds and mister Bean, and Samantha says, and Mickey Mouse. And I say, and the guy that played second Hobbit.
And then Samantha says, Deadpool would make sense. So she's bringing us back bringing us back. And I said, this video has almost run five hours now. So that's what we're crazy about this five hours. Then Stewart says, okay, this is bizarre. And, oh, and then there was also I was also saying I really wanted to watch Twin Peaks for some reason. I don't know why. Channing Tatum. So basically X men, all of them. And Smith says, really? No. That's surprising.
And I said, including people from the phone book who happen to have an x in their name. And Samantha says, here's the real question. Will Channing use the same accent coach? Then I said, thing is, these people are most likely from other universes than the ones who showed up in Deadpool. Most likely from the one at the end of the Marvels. Marvels. So maybe yes. To I don't know what I was saying maybe yes to, but I said maybe no to the Channing Tatum accent coach.
And then Samantha says Deadpool can handle a multiverse scenario he already has and I say can we? And Samantha says I can. I don't know about you though. I don't know if you guys remember this because it was twenty twenty five years ago when the Patrick Stewart era x men movies were first in the works. People wanted Josh Holloway Sawyer from Lost, to play Gambit. And I said, I do remember. And I expected Stewart to say, Pepperidge Farm remembers, but he didn't.
And Samantha says, I was beginning to wonder if he would be announced. And I was wondering when they would announce Pedro Pascal. And I said, now. Now is when? And then Samantha wonders, are they gonna announce Dan Stevens? It would seem to be possible at this point, which that's from Legion and actually is a lot more on target than some of the other things we've talked about. And, and then okay, so this is again being silly. They just announced Grogu, Betty Davis, John the Baptist, my mom and
Ringo Starr. And then at that point they did the final chair which was Robert Downey Jr, who was there in person and he takes a look at the camera and shushes us. Samantha asked how many names is that? And then she says don't bother counting some reporter will do it later. And I said I'm not. I lost count at John the Baptist. And then they showed a lineup of all the chairs and they replaced Paul Rudd's chair. So that is the big news.
And, for those of you who are just joining us for this podcast and you're wondering, oh, I wonder what the post credits are gonna be like. This. This is what the post credits are like just with a little more banter back and forth. I tried you know, this would have been the banter we would have had. I'm sure I would have made some sort of John the Baptist joke with this casting announcement. But anyway, that is that. So I will talk with you all later. Thank you so
much for spending time with me here. And until next time, Godspeed.