38. We're Apocalyoptimists

With wildfires raging, a serious drought, and a sobering UN climate report, Brad and Holly discuss some of the impacts on California's great outdoors—state parks, national parks, thru hikes such as the Pacific Crest Trail, and more. They also talk about redwood hikes, car-free bike paths locally and beyond for do-it-yourself bike touring. Then Caitlin Cornwall, a biologist at the esteemed Sonoma Ecology Center and an expert in land use ecology, joins the conversation for an illuminating discussion about California's climate challenges, and ways to create a future where people, land, water, and wildlife can thrive.