¶ Wealthy Assholes
Okay , guys . So this Reddit story is coordinated perfectly with this episode that I recorded . It talks about weird pronouns and here it goes . It goes short post , but , like in my friend's school I moved recently , in parentheses there's a kid that wants people to call them king and starts calling people transphobic when they don't .
Am I in the wrong for thinking this is really dumb ? To be clear , I do use everyone's pronouns correctly , unless I forget because of a recent transition , though in this case it feels weird . So , no man , it doesn't feel weird . Here's my thing on it . If I have to call you king , you would be what I would tell him .
If I have to call you king and you call me transphobic , if instead I call you sir , from now on you're going to call me your majesty , and whenever I say you got to do something , you must bow , like you bow to the kings on TV and say yes , your majesty . Whatever your wish is my command , your majesty .
So if people want to act weird about it , and if you don't call them king , then be weird too . I'm your host , martin Fragomo , and this is Wealthy Assholes , your ultimate guide to understand what it truly means to be wealthy assholes . And today I'm joined by Shannon Whittington .
She's a DPN prepared nurse , educator and author who loves helping clinicians and healthcare organizations . She recognizes a huge LGBTQ plus knowledge gap within herself and within organizations . Instead of groaning about it , she decided to grow about it .
So she went back to school to get a bunch of extra letters after her name to look smart , so people would listen to what she has to say . Her mission is to empower organizations with rainbow inclusion to transform how healthcare is delivered to the LGBTQ plus community because , as her mom says , when you know better , you do better .
Shannon , thank you for being here . Glad that you're here looking to learn from you . Thank you so much for having me . Yes , yes , and I know usually I don't do a great deal of a really great job at introducing you , so tell us how you got started in all of this .
Well , you know , I didn't even realize that , I didn't know about this , and I'm part of the community , I identify as a gay cisgender woman , and about six or seven years ago I was asked to go , and you know , attend some lectures at this hospital when they were starting to do surgeries .
Back then it was called gender reassignment surgeries and my boss told me to go and I was so like in awe of what they were doing and I would come back and talk to some of the other nurses and say , hey , do you know anything about this ?
And you're like no , and everyone that I asked knew nothing about this in general , and so I said , well , if I'm going to do this , I need to learn more . So I ended up developing a program that supports transgender and non-binary patients after gender affirmation surgery .
And then , the more I stayed in this area , I realized that I had a huge knowledge gap myself .
So I went back to school to get my masters and then I went back to school to get my doctorate and I noticed one day when I was coasting on a LinkedIn , I just kind of barely mentioned something around LGBT and that engagement shot through the roof as opposed to my other content and I was like , maybe this is something that the world needs to hear , and so
I just started from there . And here we are , seven years later .
¶ Gender Identity and Bathroom Access Discussion
So you said you identify I missed that word a gay , six gender woman .
Yeah , yeah . So lesbian or gay cisgender means that I agree with what I was assigned at birth with my sex assigned .
Is that cisgender ? I'm sorry , I don't know that word . S-i-f .
Yeah , it's one word , cisgender , and it's a word that you'll find used a lot in the LGBTQ plus community , because there's all types of identities , you know lesbian , gay , bisexual , transgender , queer , intersex , asexual . It could just go on and on and on . So cisgender means that you agree with what you were assigned at birth .
You know the doctor baby pops out , the doctor looks between the hips it's a girl , it's a boy . That's what I mean .
Okay , so do you agree that there's more than two genders ? Is that what you're saying , that you think that there's more than two genders ?
Well , gender exists along this spectrum , but we live in a binary world that says it has to be male or female . But for many people it's a spectrum , especially if you look at someone who's transgender . They don't agree with what they were assigned at birth .
Someone who's non-binary doesn't feel like they really fit fully into male or female , and so there's somewhere along that spectrum . If you think about it , like the color purple , there's so many different shades of purple very , very light to very , very dark and that's how gender is . It's along the spectrum .
I want to share a video with you , if that's okay with you . Can you hear ?
I said so what kind of card do you have Shut up ? What kind of card do you have ? I said no because I want you to be machined . Holy s*** , he thinks this is a machined . I'm carnival and outlawed Come and go , type . Show me what you do . It's a dream , it is a truth . Now , stop class Drugs . Don't come in truck , then come and go cry .
That's pretty good , sir . Thanks sir , thank you . Yeah , I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it . I appreciate it .
Mar , unconscious mind , what I think Hi , it's for the listeners before you give me your feedback . For the listeners that are not watching , but say this is a guy that has a minivan and he put a Mercedes Benz logo on the front of his minivan and he tells the attendant the parking attendant to go .
The parking attendant asks him what type of car do you drive ? And he says I drive a white Mercedes . And so the parking attendant goes and gets his white minivan that has a Mercedes logo in the front and the parking attendant makes a statement to the degree of oh , he really believes that this is a white Mercedes .
When you look at that , what do you think ?
first of all , Well , we can go back to pronouns what it is to you , not what I see , not what I think it should be , but what it is to me . And even though it's like that is not a white Mercedes , but he thinks it is , the gentleman who's driving it thinks it is .
And so if you look at it from a perspective of pronouns , just like if you think about look at me , right , I think you would think .
But real quick on him , just because he think it is , does it actually make it a Mercedes or a white Mercedes ? Because it doesn't have the Mercedes parts . It doesn't have the Mercedes rim or the engine . It's a Dodge Caravan . Does that make it ?
It's a Dodge Caravan , but he drives off feeling confident , like the guy drives off , feeling those of them that can see drives off feeling confident , like , hey , I'm getting my white Mercedes . You know he's out about his white Mercedes , but does that mean that the rest of us have to believe that ?
Indeed , because he believes there's a white Mercedes , that that's a white Mercedes .
I don't think it matters Whether he , whether we think or believe it to be true or not . It really doesn't matter is what you think and believe and and you know I was just saying this to someone the other day I was like you know , I find that in situations like that , saying okay , it's fine , you know it's fine .
I don't have to argue with you , dude , that is not a white .
I agree . I agree with .
Okay .
I agree with you 100% , 100% , unfortunately , I guess . I guess where I'm going with this Shannon is not all sectors of the LGBTQ movement . By the way , I have a transgender nephew that's transitioning , so I have nothing against . I just want to make sure I disclose that I have family that is transitioning .
My concern is , though , and my thought around this is that there's some members of the LGBTQ plus community that , just because they say they are something , that doesn't mean that I have to believe it , that the other , that the rest of us have to believe it , or the rest of us don't agree , your racist , or your homophobe , or , or this .
For instance , as a father , I have a young daughter and and she's 10 or 12 years old she's pretty little girl , and we're going into a public bathroom and a grown man like me with a beard throws on a dress and a wig and I have a beard , I'm clearly a man and my daughter is going into a public restroom and this grown Men with a beard is going behind
her , and because he believes , is the Mercedes , the Mercedes situation right ? Because he believes that he's a woman I don't think so he's not gonna follow my daughter Into the bathroom . That's me speaking as a protector , as a father of my child ? I don't think so , dude .
I understand and I respect you , but not when my daughter or my wife is in the bathroom . You follow him saying so . What are your thoughts on that ?
Well , the solution to that is gender neutral bathrooms .
I agree . Yes , yes . The problem is we should have gender neutral bathroom . The problem is that there is the movement of no , I'm a woman with a beard and a dress and no , I should be led into the bathroom , into the woman's bathroom , because I believe I'm a woman , so it's a very controversial topic , the bathroom issue .
And you know I was at the trans wellness conference in Philly . I was speaking there a couple years ago and they had gender neutral bathrooms so anyone could use any bathroom . And what the research shows is that Trans people , non-binary people , do not attack people in bathrooms .
They just want to pee and poop , just like we do so , and in fact it's quite the opposite . They're the ones that get attacked in the bathrooms .
And if we take this even further , a lot of times , like the , the person that you're describing beard and dress Sometimes , when the gender is presented like that to the public , individuals who have that look Don't go to bathrooms at all and what ends up happening is they end up with urinary tract infections , kidney , you know , disease .
Some of them end up going on Dialysis because they're holding their urine long , because they want to avoid being behind your daughter in the bathroom and dead , thinking , hey , that's not safe .
Yeah , and that's fair . You know , as a human being , I'll share with you . As a human being , shannon , I agree we need to find a solution for this right . We need to . As a human being , we need to find a solution for this and they shouldn't have to go through that . They shouldn't , they should not have to go through that .
I agree with the what do you say ? Non-binary bathrooms .
I did your neutral bathrooms . I mean neutral bathroom . What ? What's doing it ? Did you know that ? No law , greens has three thousand gender-neutral bathrooms ?
So are they open , like multiple stalls of bathrooms .
Anyone can use any bathroom .
I'm telling you but it's not one key . What I'm saying is it's not a key . Is not a key that one person at a time ? It's not a key . It's just like multiple stalls type of thing , just like we can just share bathrooms . That's , that's really interesting . And what ? How's that working ?
out . Obviously it's working . You know , they did three thousand of their bathrooms . So when I was at this conference with ten thousand people , mind you , and not everybody was trans at the conference nothing happened , nothing , no one . No , no one attacked no one .
Let me ask you this question Does this open up the door , though , for not all ? Can we agree that not all people are good ?
Right , For the most part , I agree that most people have good intentions and most human beings are good , but does this open up the door for molesters , bad people , bad men , to take advantage of something like this and go hurt others ?
I think there's always the possibility of that in almost any situation . I think we are born inherently good .
I agree . I believe , that I agree , me too .
We have to be taught to hate .
I agree , I totally agree with that .
¶ Violence Against Transgender Community and Education
Just think about violence in general . What is it ? 300 and something deaths related to just being trans . You know this past . It goes up every year . There's over 400 and top it , yes , but have you ever seen a headline that said murder solved for a trans person ? That you haven't . Mostly , you haven't .
These crimes are happening , especially in the BIPOC community .
What is that ? You know ? You're taught as a BIPOC community .
The BIPOC , indigenous people of color . So the majority of these murders are African American . You know , just for being trans , just for going into the bathroom that aligns with what they think aligns with their gender , and being sodomized and killed .
It's a sad state , you know , and I think that all of these laws that we have now that are trying to be passed , they're not written by aliens , they're being written by people and they're being passed . You know , there's like a great migration .
Like I live in New York , people are migrating here from some of the states that don't allow gender of herming care anymore . You know , if you have your trans nephew , trans niece , pennsylvania , what state you're in ? They can't get healthcare .
Let's talk about that . What is gender herming care ?
That's where you recognize everything about that person , that client , that patient .
So you're not just treating the symptom , but you're treating the whole person , which means addressing me with the pronouns that I use , addressing me with the name that I prefer , like if I'm trans maybe my prior name was Sean and now my name is Shannon , because I'm a trans woman then you address me as Shannon , you address my pronouns as she , her .
You ask me about that . You provide me with care . That's not strictly related to me being trans . Like so many trans people can't even get healthcare because physicians don't know how to take care of them . Healthcare providers don't know how to take care of them . What did I say in the very beginning ? There was a knowledge gap , right ?
So affirming care is taking all those things into consideration when you're giving care to that person .
What it's not is misgendering the person , which is calling them the wrong pronoun dead , naming them , which is calling them their old name , telling them I can't treat you because I don't take care of patients like you and all you want is to get your UTI treated with some antibiotics . What does being trans have to do with that ?
Or having to educate your healthcare provider on why you still need to have your prostate tested , those type of things .
What do you mean when you say why you still need to have your prostate tested after you ? Do trans women I hope I'm saying correctly trans women , so they went from men to a woman do they still need to have their prostate tested ?
Yes , they don't remove their prostate . If they had surgery , if they had vaginal plastic surgery , which is creation of a vagina , they don't remove their prostate . So they still should have a PSA test . So a knowledgeable healthcare provider would know that that's affirming care .
So how are you helping the healthcare industry and what you do , educate them to get this information ? It seems like I'm just speaking from plain , very plain person . I'm not in the community , so I'm just seeking to learn . It just seems like it's a bit confusing if you don't know .
So if you have traditional medicine for so many years and we've had prostates and ovaries and it's just a readjustment of the whole healthcare system in a way , how are you going about educating doctors to address this ? Because what's the percentage of trans people ? What is a percentage as a whole ? What is that percentage ? Do you know that number ?
It's . Being trans is about as common as being a redhead .
So what is that ? It's like 1% , 1% , so we got 1% and there's like 20 million LGBTQ plus people .
But I mean we can just take this conversation . So no , I'm just looking to . A lot of us are hidden right , so we don't do a lot of surveys that says we are trans , we are LGB , we don't because of so much discrimination that happens .
So the way that I go about educating I speak all over the country I have a book LGBTQ plus ABCs for grownups , and it's basically like a book for dummies . You know , it's very , very basic . The letters mean this , the colors mean that . What does being transgender mean ? What's this thing with pronouns ?
And why should I even mention that when there's only he or she , those those kind of things . So I speak all over all of my platforms or LGBT to focused , and I'm on podcasts to talk to people .
Yeah , educate people , and in your bio here we said that part of your mission is empower organizations with rainbow inclusion and transform healthcare . So we talked about that . So how do you empower organizations with rainbow inclusion ?
Because , I mean , a moment ago we said I'll stay on this healthcare before you answer that , because we said it's about one or 2% of the population identifies in this group . Yet what is the solution ? Do you think that all hospitals and all the whole medical field should be retrained to serve this one and 2% of the population ? Do you think that's the solution ?
That all the whole entire medical field should be revolutionized so that we can serve these people , or do you have a better suggestion , a better solution ? Yes , yes they revolutionize the whole entire , the whole entire healthcare .
It needs to be revolutionized and it needs to be normalized . So that's my mission , because here's the thing have you ever eaten a one ? Those , you know those waffles has all those nooks and crannies Eggol , eggol waffles , eggol , eggol eggol . Yeah , you ever had one of those . No , all those nooks and crannies , that's on it . Well , that's how gay people are .
We're in all the nooks and crannies , we are everywhere , whether you know it or not . We're sitting next to you , we're in your communities , your banks , we're in your places of worship , okay , and we're your patients . We're also providing care to you . We're in your communities , we're serving you your lunch .
I mean , we are everywhere , whether you believe or know that to be true , we are . So then some might say , well , so what , I don't care ? I don't care ? Well , fine , but a lot of people do . That's why we have all 400 bills that are trying to be fast , because a lot of people do care . So , yes , it does need to be revolutionized because it's missing .
You know , the discipline that has the most training around this is social workers . When we think about healthcare , they have the most training . Dentists have the least . So I get students every semester from Ivy League to no league and I always ask them did you have any education around this ? And nine times out of 10 , the answer is no .
You know , there was a study that came out a few years ago that studied all these nursing schools across the country to ask that very question . You know , is this included in your curriculum ? And it was determined that the average healthcare provider gets about 2.12 hours of education in this area .
And some of the comments were like no , we don't do that and we don't plan on doing that .
I watched another . I saw another video the other day at a LGBTQ walk or event and the interviewer was asking people what they identified themselves as .
What do you identify as ? I'm a lesbian , they see , they see non-binary transmasks , bisexual . I'm just trans . I'm a gay male pup yeah , gay male pup . Transgender yeah .
When you look at the gentleman the last gentleman he's wearing a mask and he says he identifies as a gay male pup .
I think I personally this is my personal opinion I actually think that that is goes against what you're trying to do , because to a it's like again the guy with the Mercedes Benz you're not a puppy Like , like we're going you said he's a gay male pup .
That's just really confusing and I think , actually , in my opinion , I think it's actually this honoring the LGBTQ community when someone says he's a gay male pup Like . What are your thoughts on that ?
Well , straight people are doing this too in the schools . Have you seen that ?
No , tell me about it .
It did fine as kittens and now they're even for kitty litter in the back .
That's just crazy for me . Like we're not , like we're not like stop . Like I understand .
I just want to well , just iterate that it's not just gay people identifying as animals . That could be anyone . So the sexual orientation really has nothing to do with it and it's everywhere . I just found out about this like six months ago . I'm like what do you mean ? There's kitty litter in the bathroom in the schools .
Yes , because some of the kids are identifying as cats in dogs .
What do you think about that ? Do you not think that that is like mental health issue ? I think we start going into that rabbit hole . It starts to become more of a mental health issue , like we used to call those people schizophrenic before this whole thing .
Unfortunately , it just has been kind of labeled with the LGBTQ community because of all the pronouns and all of the things , and it just kind of now that you've educated me that even straight people are doing it , that's just crazy . It's just crazy talk . I don't care , like I , just it's just crazy talk . You're not a gay . What is a gay male pop ?
I don't know what that like ? It sounds very stark , doesn't it ? What are you talking about , dude ? Like a male ? Like I don't even know what a gay dog is , like what ?
Well , you know that some dogs and cats are gay , though right it's not true .
I have no clue . I had no idea .
Yeah , oh yeah , I had one .
Really . Wow , so , so so , so , so so I had one Gay .
Gay people are going to think I'm really on to something here . But yeah , oh , yeah , so it's not just humans that can be gay . Wow .
Okay , so I got one final question for you . Are pronouns now part of the English language changing ? Is that going to be the future ? Like , what do you see in the future ? Because there's , like you know , there's LGBTQ plus . It's like unlimited right . So what is the future of of the English language look like ?
LGBTQ plus , qia to SP . I've seen it written so many different ways . If you think about the community in general , this is a linguistically fluid language that changes about every three to five years . They , them , pronouns are now in Webster's dictionary as singular pronouns and that's very hard for some people to wrap their mind around .
But if you think about it and you say I'm going to take them their phone
¶ Understanding Pronouns and Respectful Language
, you're talking about one person . So I think , with the pronouns , what I see happening is we are starting to see this and a lot of people's email signatures , a lot of corporations are adopting this and putting it in their emails , even on your , you know , id cards .
And I think for us to be respectful , like the person that you were talking about that went into the bathroom , you're like you said it was . It's a beard , a mustache , but a dress pronoun . You need to know the pronoun . So , instead of assuming people's pronouns , we ask hey , my name is Shannon , my pronouns are she , her , what's yours ?
And then you are respecting that person and again , it's not what I think I see , it's not what I think it should be , it's what it is to me and you using the pronoun that I give you shows respect shows that you're fine with it .
It's cultural humility and you know , it really depends on the generation , because if you think about youth today , 20% of youth today identifies gender diverse . You know , like they , yeah , and it's not like all of a sudden all these gay people have just come out of the closet or these trans people just come out of the closet .
It's just been because it has just become a little cipher .
Tell me what . What does that mean ?
20% gender diversified that's the word you use , Not identifying as male or female somewhere along the spectrum that we talked about earlier .
Does that make them gay or lesbian ?
You can be of any sexual orientation . So gender gender and sexual orientation are often conflated , but they're actually two separate things , and sexual orientation is who I am attracted to . Ginger is how I feel inside Now , if you like , sometimes I wear combat boots in a baseball cap and my hair back in a ponytail .
It doesn't mean I want to be a man , I just feel it like that that day . And then there's other days I've got my hair down , I've got my lipstick on and I'm in a dress spectrum .
Did I just like totally kidding ? Yeah , I'll put up my brain . No , no , I'm trying to catch up to , I'm trying to process what you just said , so .
You have to think about . The society that we live in is a binary society . It is . We love to put people in boxes . You either or either , or . But there's a lot between the two boxes of male and female , of gender expression . You know , and you're starting to see it more and more , we're really more the same than we are different .
It's a society that puts these labels on I agree with that 100% .
I agree with that . I 100% agree with that .
You should dress like that . You're a girl , you should play with dolls . You're a boy , you should play with trucks . I mean , that's ingrained in us .
So I want to go back to the 20% youth identifying as gender diversified New language for me . Okay , so gender diversified just means that that doesn't necessarily mean that their sexual doesn't identify , their sexual preference , sexual orientation , it just and what they identify as . It's just like .
Hey , I'm just neutral , I'm not , I don't consider myself a man or a woman , I'm just .
There you got it .
I'm just .
Think about gender neutral . Well , babe , you've ever seen that ?
Well , I would say overall , maybe I think it's called unisex , Unisex , yeah , yeah , unisex . Yep , A hoodie , right . Yeah , it's kinda like that A hat unisex .
I could wear your sweatshirt . Yeah , of course .
I guess my I think it's game eating . Yeah , it's , it's , it's . My brain is spinning right now .
It's good , though , because I mean , it's really good that we're talking about this , because the way you feel is the way a lot of people feel .
Well , it's just . It's just , I don't . I don't have the education , so I'm not in . I'm not in your circle , so I don't , I don't have the education . It just . It just seems and I'm going to speak for myself it just seems that when you have a lot of male pup guy or the Mercedes guy , right , this you're crazy . Man .
Like like you're not a dog , like it's just , logically , like I can respect your sexual preference , I can respect , I can respect that , I can respect that . You you identify as a woman . Fine , I respect that . This is why I identify as . Let's respect each other . I'll address you the way you were Cool .
When we start going into I'm a dog , or I like I gotta have a kitty litter . What are we saying here ? Like , where are we going here ? Like , how far are we going to go ? I just address me as your Royal Highness from now on , right . Like what are we talking about ?
Like we start going into into territory that makes the rest of us like , like , we're not crazy . I know you're not a dog , I know you're not a cat , cause I have a cat and I have a dog and I know what they look like . Then I know what they . You look like me . You're a human being . So what are you talking about it ?
Just , we just start going into these names and pronouns . That is like no man . You start to sound crazy and I don't believe . I don't have to believe that you're a dog , cause you're not . Now you want me to refer to you as they and the who . You want you , but you as .
As my my nephew changed his name to River , her name is River now , hey , you want me to call you River . That's fine , that's your trans . You're , you know you're , you're . You're transitioning , cool , fine , but dude , you're not a dog , right , right , you're just not a dog . It just messes with the rest of us . The 98% of us have brains Like .
You are not a lion , you are not a dog , you're not a cat , you're a human being . Let's call you . I prefer you identify as as a woman or she . Call me she or whatever , but you're not a dog .
I think we , like you said , it's just really about respect , Like you don't have to agree with it , mm-hmm , you , we can't legislate people's hearts , Right ? I mean , I think that's crazy , think it's crazy , it's crazy , you think it's gonna be , you know , but respect it , that's it , you know ? No , no special treatment , right , just respect .
That's it , right there , that's it . You nailed it right there . It's like okay , you think you're , you're that , Fine , Don't expect me to think that you're that . And if I don't believe in your craziness because you don't have dog DNA , I personally believe it's craziness . You don't have dog DNA . You can't .
You can't then go and start being loud that that the other person that doesn't believe that you're a dog is a homophobe or this or that . No , dude , you're just nuts bro . You're just a crazy person . You're not a dog , You're not a cat , You're just . I , just I'm not buying into your craziness , it's just you're not an animal .
Tell me , I identify as a human , whatever , but you're human . You're too leg to stand . You don't mean , it's just . Don't . Then go say that because I , because that other person doesn't agree that you think you're a dog , that they're now racist or something , or crazy , or bio , this or or or whatever , homophobe or something , Cause it's just crazy talk .
That's just like . That's not big .
So to go to that , go there . Yes , they were very quick to go to that . You know , my mom has a saying and she said in my entire life and I never really knew what she meant and she said let every tub sit on its own bottom . And when I was little I was like a tub sitting on the bottom , I'll tub sit on their bottom .
And then , you know , as I became an adult , it was like you , be you and let me be me .
Yes , yes , let's respect each other .
I'll have to agree with it . You know I'm sure you have feelings about your niece . That's trans , has transitioned but you said you're fine with it .
I respect it . I respect it . I love her just as much . Nothing's changed . I love her just as much , I respect it . It's just , hey , man , I love you , I respect you and I will call you just hey . My own theories or my own ways of believing have the same respect for my own , whatever thoughts I may have and that may be different to yours .
That's all that we can all ask for . Let's just be respectful to one another . Let's have respectful dialogue , like we're having right here , and learning from each other . Right , let's learn from each other . We have to coexist , we all have to coexist . So let's just try to understand each other and respect each other . Don't expect us to be just be delusional .
Just , you know there's another spectrum of which we talked about the great . You know that there's just so far like hey , man , I just I'm not buying into that .
But I do appreciate you buying into this topic so want to learn more . We need more people like you . We need allies , we need people who support us . Don't necessarily have to agree with us , but if you see something , you say something . You see something , you do something .
I grew up in the . I don't know how old you are , I'm 45 . I grew up in the 90s 80s and I saw some stuff during that time in New York City . I grew up , born and raised in New York City . I saw some things in New York that I am now very proud of , right , Like the way that gay people got treated .
It breaks my heart to even think about kind of shit that I could , we would hit the news , you may remember . It's just , absolutely just that we can't have that . We can't , we cannot have other human beings or other human beings because of their sexual preference or because of the way they look .
We just and not that is just , I don't care , we could disagree , but we cannot hurt other people . That is just no , we can't do that .
Yet it happens every day and I even feel like I'm probably on the paranoia side now , because I travel all over the country speaking about this topic , knowing that I'm gonna be around audience members who have very strong views against it Some who have strong views for it , but many who have very strong views against it .
I don't post where I am Until after I've gotten on the plane . I don't want to get jacked in the elevator . You know , I was walking down the street in Chelsea gay town with my wife and a man came by and bashed our heads into each other and we weren't even doing the PDA thing right . Public display of affection , no reason whatsoever , nothing .
Just didn't like it .
I'm sorry you went without .
Oh , thank you , but you know which is the whole thing around hiding , and you know , just for protection , for safety .
See , that's just not right , it's just existing in .
We go back to the person you described for the bathroom . Imagine walking out your front door in a society that we're in dressed like that . How do you think that person's going to navigate getting to the subway ?
New York is very challenging . New York is very liberal , but it's also very got a lot of crazy people in New York . You got a lot of it's just I'm from New York City so I can speak freely . I was born and raised in that city .
Yeah , I've lived here for 30 years . I mean , I'm sure you can hear my country accent because I'm originally from Tennessee . But um , yeah , yeah .
With that same level of respect , no different than you ? Yeah , no , they're not . No , yeah , that's right .
And the human being human , yes , we're human beings and I believe , like I've traveled a lot my wife and I like to travel a lot so one thing I've learned in my travels is that we all , regardless of race , color , country , it doesn't matter we all want a few basic things .
We want to , we want to eat , we want to be left alone , we want to be with our family , we want to be happy , and your sex orientation has nothing . We want to be at peace has absolutely nothing to do with that , nothing .
That's just the human , the way of a human being , right , and if we could just respect each other , love each other , most importantly from a foundation of respect . That's where it all stands from . And color , sexual orientation , none of that crap matters . Shannon , thank you so much .
Thank you so much for coming on the show , sharing with me , educating me , educating my audience and expanding my horizon . I like to . I'm one that likes to believe that . I like to be open-minded and like to learn and
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like to come to the table and just hear and listen to different perspectives and mine and grow . I believe that's how you grow , that's how you get better . I think if you're going to make society better , that's how you do it .
Shannon , if people wanted to connect with you or they wanted to maybe attend one of your workshops , Well , I'm all over social media .
Linkedin is my primary platform , but I'm also on IG , tiktok , youtube . My name Shannon Winnington . The book LGBTQ plus ABCs for grownups is available on Amazon and probably by the time this airs it's a bestseller . It already is a bestseller and it's also won a book award indie book awards so I'm really proud about that .
Congratulations .
Thank you . So you could just DM me any of those platforms . And because I get those kinds of DMs all the time , believe it or not , I'm sure you do .
I'm sure you do , and I hope that you guys truly discovered what it means to be wealthy AF . And now here's a sneak peek at next week's episode . What is masculinity and what is an alpha male ? Men need to level up these nowadays . Men need to conduct themselves as such . Men want respect . They need to conduct themselves as such .
What are your thoughts on that movement ?
When you go in straight for the knockout . I like that . If you do get in a fucking relationship with a girl , that's when you fucking grab your balls and you do things the old school way . You do not change because she changed her life change . You keep it old school . You pay the bills . Somebody fucking comes in the street .
You fucking knock the motherfucker out . She walks in the inside of the street , not the outside . You open the door , you pull out the chair , you do all the general like things Absolutely . At the moment you break up , you never lay your hand on a woman . At the moment you break up , you close the door .
Next woman and you don't fucking cheat I've never fucking cheated in my life and cut those other edges .