Wife Swap-Pigs, Pottery Barn, and Partner Problems

Wendy (00:01.134)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.281)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.135)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.916)
We are talking about Wife Swap Season 1 Episode 3 Daddy Duties vs Daddy Don'ts. I think that's a good name.

Lori (00:17.468)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:22.158)
So we start out in Orange County with Emily talking to Shane. Emily has a daughter, Annabel, who's 12, and twins Luke and Keller, who are nine years old. Emily admits that Shane does 60 % of the work and she does 40, but Shane corrects her and said it's more like 70, 30. I mean, Shane's a good guy.

Kelli (00:46.16)
I believe Shane.

Lori (00:50.554)
Yeah, so I'm not familiar with that Housewives franchise. So what is your take, you guys, on their relationship? What's your take?

Kelli (01:02.128)
Well, I think what Emily said is true. Like when they first got married and had kids, she was like a stay at home mom. Well, she was an attorney though and an event planner by the time we met her on OC. But now that she's on the show, she has more commitments, but he's also a practicing attorney. I mean, yes, he's definitely doing more than he was before, but they must still have help because if he's a practicing attorney,

He's doing a Monday through Friday nine to five. And you know.

Wendy (01:33.902)
But who knows? Who knows what kind of attorney he is and who knows who he's working for?

Kelli (01:37.798)
Yeah, but most attorneys are Monday through Friday, nine to five. I mean, you're not doing overnight as an attorney, you know?

Wendy (01:44.416)
No, no, I don't think he's doing overnight, but maybe he's only working two days a week. Or you know what I'm saying? Like, who knows? I mean, his family is very wealthy.

Kelli (01:50.894)
So Shane's family is very wealthy, very, very wealthy. So he could be working two days a week.

Lori (01:54.652)
Lori (01:59.676)
Cause I I mean, their house is nice, but it wasn't.

Kelli (02:07.568)
Yeah, how about when that chick Callie said that?

Lori (02:10.352)
I mean, and it was nice, but it wasn't like... It wasn't like Melissa Gorga nice.

Kelli (02:14.534)
Well, I mean, you gotta think they're in Orange County, California. Like that house is probably millions, multi-millions, her house. Where here in New Jersey, that house would be, you know, a million, 800,000. But in California, it's multi-million, it's in Orange County, California. It's not LA, it's not Beverly Hills, but it's, you know.

Lori (02:24.443)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:33.955)
Yeah.

Lori (02:40.742)
Right.

okay.

All right, so do they have a good marriage? Is it a solid marriage, you feel like?

Kelli (02:49.151)
yeah.

Wendy (02:49.56)
They're solid. They're solid. yeah. I was gonna ask you what you thought. I was gonna ask you what you thought because you don't watch the show. Like, what was your impression?

Kelli (02:52.069)
Yeah, they're solid.

Lori (02:54.94)
I figured you guys watched the show, so yeah.

Lori (03:03.376)
I definitely liked the other two Housewife episodes better than this one. Not that I didn't like this one. I didn't feel like she was as...

Wendy (03:18.336)
She doesn't have OCD like the other two.

Lori (03:20.508)
Yeah, I just didn't feel...

I can't even put it.

Kelli (03:29.486)
open to doing it the other wives way.

Lori (03:31.706)
I just... No, I just didn't feel like that she was as authentic.

Kelli (03:39.92)
What about the other wife? What about Callie? Did you think she was?

Lori (03:42.917)
I liked her.

Yeah, I thought she was.

Kelli (03:48.388)
It's so interesting. I got a weird vibe from that chick, Callie. I got the vibe that she just wants to be on TV. Like an hour ago, cousin Gina sent Wendy and I a TikTok and it was her, that chick Callie, a while ago saying that Joe Gorga used her house. I guess he was doing like promos for his construction business.

Lori (03:50.778)
Why? You got a weird vibe from her?

Lori (04:07.292)
Mm.

Kelli (04:16.772)
and he said that he flipped her house and he didn't and she made him take the picture down. And I do remember something like this going on, but that was her.

Wendy (04:23.32)
I do too.

Lori (04:25.756)
Wow. But that's kind of odd though, because if you had that kind of interaction with a housewife and it was not in a positive vein, why would you want to do something on national television that had to do with housewives? That's odd.

Kelli (04:34.597)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:44.092)
I think she has her sights set on, yeah. And I had, I seriously, and I feel like I say this all the time, but my third eye was open. I had that feeling watching this episode. And then when cousin Gina sent that to us, I was like, oh my God.

Wendy (04:45.848)
Because you want to be on TV. Because you want to be on TV.

Lori (04:49.212)
you

Lori (05:02.956)
Ow.

Kelli (05:04.558)
I even felt like her husband, not that her husband wants to be on TV, but I even just got a vibe from her husband where it was like, I'm just gonna go along with this, because this is what my wife wants.

Lori (05:14.306)
Yeah, he was, he was odd. I thought he was odd. There something, there were definitely was something off with him. I was like, yeah.

Kelli (05:23.34)
except maybe this is another thing I thought. I definitely still felt that way about her, it almost seemed that, well, we'll get there. It almost seems like maybe something happened in their marriage where she is very closed off to him and she's having a hard time reopening up to him.

Lori (05:42.121)
Yeah, it did seem like that that might be, there might be more to that than was meets the eye there. also, I agree. I also had that feeling like.

Kelli (05:50.936)
Or is she just saying that and acting like that to kind of leave the door open for people to want to know more about her so she gets a spot on a show? I'm just saying.

Lori (06:00.227)
Interesting count.

Wendy (06:01.186)
They are still casting Jersey. She does live in North Jersey.

Kelli (06:03.352)
Exactly. Yeah.

Wendy (06:07.0)
So I actually thought that Emily was authentic to who Emily is. mean, that's how, you don't know her. Right. Right.

Lori (06:13.316)
Maybe it's because I don't, maybe it's because I don't feel like, yeah, I don't feel like I know her because I don't watch her show. Whereas I watch, yeah, I watch New Jersey and I watch Salt Lake. So yeah, so maybe that's, maybe that was part of the deal.

Kelli (06:23.331)
Angie.

Right. Right.

Wendy (06:30.786)
I'm curious to see, because you don't watch Potomac, so I'm curious to see what your thoughts are when we get to see Wendy's episode next week, right? So Emily says that she has an angry 12-year-old who's on the phone all the time, and Emily just wants to retreat to her own bedroom, and that's how she parents. Like, she just doesn't deal with it. She just kind of ignores it. And I'll be honest with you.

Lori (06:36.762)
Yeah, yeah,

Kelli (06:55.164)
That's not going to help, trust me, that's not going to help.

Lori (06:55.324)
Her daughter. Yeah, her daughter. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. There would be some serious, there would be some serious kick ass bras in my house because. Nope.

Wendy (06:58.435)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:00.26)
Yeah, she was rough.

Kelli (07:12.902)
She had some, yeah. So I'm just looking up where Park Ridge is, because I knew it was North Jersey, but.

Wendy (07:20.514)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (07:20.59)
I know what's all I asked my husband he says all the way at the top of the parkway. It's all the way up there like Montvale like yeah it's it's up there it's like Montvale like that.

Kelli (07:25.186)
It is. It's like close to New Jersey, New York border.

Wendy (07:29.452)
Okay.

Kelli (07:32.688)
But that's where Melissa and Joe were, Montvale, remember? Before they moved to Franklin Lake. So she's not far from them.

Wendy (07:37.75)
Yeah, yes.

Lori (07:37.852)
no. I didn't know that.

Wendy (07:48.098)
So Shane says that, he's talking to the kids, said, we'll all take a vote at the end to see if we want to keep the new mom or not. Which that's so Shane, like that's so his personality. And he also says, he hopes that the new husband doesn't do crap. Yes, he does. He does have job. He's sarcastic. He's very sarcastic. He hopes that the new husband doesn't do crap at the house. Well, he got his wishes,

Lori (07:56.482)
Heheheheh...

Kelli (07:57.276)
That was so funny.

Yeah, he's got a very dry personality. A dry sense of humor, I'm sorry.

Kelli (08:15.196)
He did. He did.

Lori (08:15.674)
He's certainly dead. He's certainly dead. Certainly dead.

Wendy (08:19.288)
Hmm

So then we meet Eric, Callie, and their children. Adelaide is seven years old. Graham is 11 years old. And Georgina is five. And their last name is Fenson. They have a pig inside their house. And Pikachu, named Pikachu. I'll be honest with you. When Emily saw the pig, I thought her reaction

Lori (08:39.58)
Pikachu.

Wendy (08:50.124)
was very, I would have not reacted like that. I would have been like, what the F is going on here? What did you think? What did you think of her reaction?

Kelli (08:55.632)
Right, right, me too.

Lori (08:55.854)
Hahaha.

Lori (08:59.664)
Well, I thought she, you know, she said, well, a dog, okay, a pig. Yeah. She's just an animal. I think that she's an animal person. When you're an animal person, you're an animal person. Like, yeah.

Kelli (09:08.794)
Yeah, yeah, she's got a ton of dogs, Emily. you know, yeah.

Wendy (09:08.8)
Right, you wouldn't be shocked.

Yeah, she does have a lot of dogs. I just can't imagine walking in someone's house and there being a pig there. just, I can't imagine it.

Lori (09:20.924)
Right back.

Wendy (09:22.41)
Okay, so.

Callie lives on a farm and she's a stay-at-home mom. She starts her day at 7 a.m. and what that entails is feeding the chickens, the horses, she takes care of the children, she gets the groceries done, she does the laundry, makes dinner, does the cooking, does the cleaning, she does everything. Basically, she does everything. I mean, there is not one thing.

Kelli (09:50.033)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eric said he's a walking ATM for the family. I don't necessarily love that.

Wendy (09:56.128)
Right. Right.

No, I don't either.

Lori (10:00.964)
Isn't it, isn't every dad? Like, who do think you're special?

Kelli (10:03.502)
Yeah, exactly. Most of them. Right, most of them.

Wendy (10:09.75)
Meanwhile, we see at 9 a.m. Eric is still in bed and he said his job.

Kelli (10:13.496)
He's a director of a large healthcare facility. How are you still in bed at 9 a.m.? Unless it was a Saturday, maybe. okay.

Wendy (10:16.897)
I know.

Lori (10:20.272)
I think it was a weekend. I think it was a weekend. I think it was a weekend.

Wendy (10:20.654)
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, actually, you know what? It was a Friday because when back when Shane took her out for Friday night is date night.

Kelli (10:32.962)
right, right, right, right. Yeah.

Lori (10:33.784)
yeah, Maybe on Friday is like his work from home day and he can like set his own hours or something, yeah.

Kelli (10:38.652)
Yeah, maybe he's remote. And he rolls out of bed and rolls onto his computer.

Wendy (10:41.972)
Maybe, maybe. But he said his job was taking the garbage out. That was his job.

Lori (10:44.58)
Yeah, yeah.

Lori (10:51.494)
Wow.

Kelli (10:51.9)
Okey dokey.

Wendy (10:55.342)
So she said her house is reminiscent of an English countryside and she thinks that her husband Eric loves the farm and Eric says, I hate the farm. I was like, wait a second. Let's talk about not being on the same page.

Lori (11:08.316)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:11.014)
Right.

Lori (11:11.088)
Yeah, totally. Totally not on the same page at all.

Kelli (11:14.801)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:14.956)
Yeah. He said I'd never be, you know, buying hay and stuff. I never thought that this would be, you know.

This is what my life would be like me, you know, spending my money to buy hay and to keep this farm running. And he said that he feels like that he is like the sponsor for everyone's happiness. Which that's, that's a horrible way to feel.

Lori (11:39.6)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:40.348)
Well, it's a lot of pressure. That's a lot of pressure.

Lori (11:42.384)
Yeah. And I've got, I've got to tell you this because my friend lives on a large piece of property.

Wendy (11:42.744)
Yeah.

Lori (11:52.428)
And she has had animals before. And the proximity of where her animals are to her house is much further away than the proximity of this woman's animals and her home. And I can tell you this, the flies that she must get in and around her house in the spring and summer must be ungodly. Because when you have livestock like that, there are

Kelli (12:13.51)
Yeah.

Lori (12:20.732)
massive amounts of flies. There is no way to escape it. And her stuff seems very close to her actual home. I was just like, no, it's not. Yeah. Not good.

Kelli (12:22.725)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:30.736)
Yeah, that sounds gross.

Wendy (12:31.382)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:35.196)
Yeah, because you're right, we know plenty of people who just have chickens, and the chickens alone.

Lori (12:40.154)
Yeah, you just having animals that close to your home where you reside is like never a good idea. Like you can have them on your property, but they should never be that close to where you live. So I'm just putting it out there. She got flies.

Wendy (12:59.658)
Okay. Thank you for sharing.

Lori (13:01.574)
So you know.

Kelli (13:04.528)
Yeah. She says she's never left her husband home alone with the kids.

Wendy (13:08.567)
Yep.

Lori (13:09.018)
What is that?

Kelli (13:10.652)
Bye.

Lori (13:13.166)
What is that?

Wendy (13:13.23)
That's crazy to me. That's crazy. So she said she would like for Eric to take a more active role in the household. yeah. And she would like for her husband to realize all that she does around the house, which I think that's going to happen.

Kelli (13:16.141)
I mean

Lori (13:20.901)
Yeah!

Lori (13:28.546)
Yeah?

Wendy (13:32.812)
She finds out she's going to Orange County and she says, well, you're screwed if I'm going to be with Terry Dubrow. So we know that she watches The Housewives, right? And she knows, yeah.

Kelli (13:44.986)
Yeah, yeah

Lori (13:45.316)
Right, yeah, because she knows who the cast of characters are.

Kelli (13:48.506)
Yes.

Wendy (13:48.642)
Right.

Emily finds out she's going to Park Ridge, New Jersey. And as she's on her way there, she's saying, I hope that they at least have a dog, which, you know, then she gets blessed with a pig and horse and goats and chickens.

Kelli (14:00.974)
You

Lori (14:02.396)
Okay,

Kelli (14:05.19)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (14:05.872)
Now, did you guys ever know anyone who had a pig as a pet?

Kelli (14:10.16)
No.

Wendy (14:10.583)
No.

Lori (14:11.482)
My husband's cousin had a pig as a pet. Yeah, I never met it, but yeah. And there are people that if you met them, like you would never think that these are the people that will have a pig as a pet. But yeah, they did for years. They used to take it, it used to go away to like summer camp. like, yes, in like upstate New York, it would go for like two weeks for summer camp and hang out with like other pigs.

Kelli (14:13.924)
Really?

Wendy (14:16.942)
Hmm.

Kelli (14:25.53)
Right,

Kelli (14:33.584)
pig?

Wendy (14:40.622)
What does that cost to send your pig to camp?

Lori (14:42.044)
I know. I don't know. It was sleep away camp. It was hysterical. Hysterical.

Kelli (14:44.636)
Clearly it was sleep away camp.

Wendy (14:47.544)
hahahahah

Lori (14:53.86)
We used to laugh when we would see them and they're like, how was I forget the pig's name? How was the camp?

Kelli (15:01.66)
So funny.

Wendy (15:03.49)
That is funny. Emily actually says when she sees the pig, she says it's better than a dog. She was happy to see it.

Kelli (15:10.402)
Yeah, no, she was, her response surprised me for sure.

Wendy (15:16.098)
I thought it was funny that she sees the crocs on the floor and she's like, I can't deal with the crocs. She's happy with the pig, but she can't deal with the crocs. Just left it that. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

Lori (15:23.068)
Yeah, deal with the crocs. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah.

Wendy (15:33.432)
So Callie gets to Orange County and she realizes it's Emily's house. And she said, you know, everything is very clean. She said, I thought it looked bigger on TV, which again, I thought was a little bit of shade.

Lori (15:47.26)
Well, now, well...

Kelli (15:47.42)
100%, that's what I'm saying.

Lori (15:50.33)
Yeah, but I had the same response. You know what I mean? I just said to you before, I thought it would be much bigger. And then you brought up the real estate value and where it is. maybe that's what you was trying to say. I don't know. don't know. Kelly's not digging her. So it's not going to be good. Kelly? Yeah.

Kelli (15:58.096)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:05.776)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:08.472)
Well, if she watches Orange County, she knows.

Kelli (16:09.72)
I really didn't, I did not like this chick at all. I just felt there was an ulterior motive there, which then leads me to believe that she was like performative on this show and maybe that's not really what's going on in her marriage. You know, I mean, listen, it's reality TV. I'm not naive. I know that everything's not real, but for this, I hope so. You know, like the last two families we met were very genuine.

Lori (16:21.788)
Mmm.

Wendy (16:22.507)
Right.

Lori (16:26.181)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:28.471)
And then.

Lori (16:36.25)
Right. You kind of felt that they were definitely, yeah, more genuine.

Kelli (16:39.982)
I didn't find these people genuine at all.

Wendy (16:44.14)
And then she throws in the dig about Pottery Barn. She could have walked into Pottery Barn.

Kelli (16:49.468)
fuck is that? What sort of a pottery barn?

Wendy (16:52.684)
I guess she thinks it's basic.

Kelli (16:54.79)
Is she Phoebe Buffay?

Wendy (16:56.943)
Hahaha.

Kelli (16:59.248)
She's the only other person I know who didn't like Pottery Barn. And even she grew to love it.

Wendy (17:02.35)
So back in New Jersey, Emily goes in the backyard and she she and it's raining out by the way with her umbrella and she sees the horses and she's like so excited. I actually did not know that she grew up on 12 acres in the middle of nowhere riding horses in a field bareback. Now that's how she was raised. We've seen her for what six years? How many years has she been on OC?

Kelli (17:22.374)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (17:30.276)
Yes. No, as a matter of fact, all we know is that her father left and her mother suffered from mental illness very badly and she was very independent at a very young age, she and her sister.

Lori (17:32.068)
And there was never any inkling of that.

Wendy (17:34.68)
No, she didn't.

Lori (17:46.181)
Wendy (17:47.64)
So I wonder if this was like a grandparents house, this farm, like, because I don't, I can't imagine her mother running this with the mental illness and no father. I was very shocked to hear all this.

Kelli (17:52.507)
Right.

Kelli (17:57.156)
Right. Right.

Wendy (18:05.72)
So Emily gets Callie's letter and she's like, it's handwritten. I thought that was funny.

Lori (18:12.902)
We're supposed to be typed up?

Wendy (18:15.68)
Well, I would have typed it. Would you?

Kelli (18:17.724)
That would have typed it too.

Lori (18:17.83)
I would have had, you would have, would have had right in it. That's so funny.

Wendy (18:21.582)
Yeah, that's because that's who you are. Like, you're the handwriting person. I would have typed it up, you know, like that's what I would have done.

Kelli (18:21.988)
I don't know, I type very quickly. Yeah.

Yeah.

Lori (18:29.916)
So maybe there's a question for our audience. When you're on Wiveswap, will your letter, instructions, whatever, be handwritten or typed?

Kelli (18:32.518)
There you go.

Kelli (18:40.026)
Yeah, great question. I think I would have typed them as well, but I'm a typer, I, you know.

Lori (18:45.34)
See, like I would have put it in like a pretty notebook with room for them to journal or, yes. Yes, do your homework.

Wendy (18:46.094)
I'm a typer too.

Kelli (18:49.967)
Yeah.

write you a note back.

Wendy (19:00.11)
okay. Would you leave her with stickers too to put on it?

Lori (19:04.996)
Maybe it depends if I had some nice matching ones on hand. It'd be dazzling.

Wendy (19:12.078)
So she lets her know that her morning starts at 7 a.m. and it's horses, goats, chicken and pigs get fed. Ask Adelaide, not Eric, if you need any help to clean the barn, please use the trash can and get all the poop. Don't make Eric make you do everything. He needs to do some and be a better partner.

Lori (19:37.294)
I was quite surprised that she didn't start earlier than seven. Because that's a lot of work and you still got to get your kids ready for school and stuff.

Kelli (19:42.596)
Yeah, for somebody with a farm, for sure.

Wendy (19:42.828)
was too.

Kelli (19:48.634)
Right, but maybe she does that for, maybe like she gets the kids out of the house and then goes to take care of the animals, you know? But it does seem like the animals should be taken care of earlier, but who knows, you know? Maybe she trained her animals. Yeah.

Lori (19:52.634)
Windows to the animals maybe, yeah, yeah.

Lori (20:00.442)
Yeah, who knows? Yeah, yeah. To wait.

Wendy (20:05.036)
Yeah, I thought that too, to be honest with you, though it wasn't early enough. Emily's letter says that Shane is my husband of 16 years. He comes off very snarky and sarcastic. We share kid responsibilities and I say he does more than me. Annabelle is 12. She's a little sassy, that's to say the least. She's hard to get through to because she's always on her phone. I mean, listen, that is what 12 year olds are like today.

Kelli (20:16.156)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:31.182)
It's very typical. Very typical.

Wendy (20:34.784)
I don't have girls, but I can, when I saw Annabelle, was like, she seems to me like the typical 12 year old girl today.

Kelli (20:42.684)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Lori (20:44.496)
Yeah, well then it's a good thing that mine's done already because I definitely had a problem.

Kelli (20:51.926)
no, she's definitely, I mean that's very normal behavior. Tess is just not a phone person, she's never been, but Joe is. mean, he probably got his phone at 12 and hasn't stopped looking at it since.

Wendy (20:52.354)
But you're right.

I think so too.

Lori (21:01.66)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (21:08.794)
Yeah, I guess cause when, I mean, I guess my daughter's, yeah, cause my daughter's 26. So to me that, that's just foreign. You know, just foreign.

Wendy (21:13.42)
Your daughter didn't have a phone at 12.

Wendy (21:21.688)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:22.948)
Yeah, but it's it's definitely normal behavior, but hard to watch nonetheless. No, of course not. No cell phones ruin these kids. Cell phones ruin these kids.

Lori (21:26.862)
It's not good. It's not good.

Wendy (21:28.94)
No, it's not good, but it's, no.

Lori (21:32.858)
Yeah, it's not good.

Wendy (21:33.399)
Yeah.

You know, I'll be honest with you. My sister-in-law is a guidance counselor at the school that Matthew graduated from. we were talking, and this year they instituted that cell phone ban that we heard about in the schools. And I was like, god, that's horrible. And she said, no, actually the kids like it. They actually like it. And the teachers like it too.

Lori (21:50.62)
It's the best thing ever.

Wendy (22:04.078)
because they have their undivided attention. you know, I do too, to be quite honest with you. After I heard, you know, I heard that, I think that, you know, maybe that is what needs to happen. You know? Yeah. So, Emily meets all the kids and Sue comes in. She's Carly's mom. She said, but they call her Papa. Why?

Kelli (22:04.604)
Of

Lori (22:06.556)
I think that's the best thing ever that they started to do that in schools.

Lori (22:20.795)
I think so.

Lori (22:33.392)
Wasn't it? I mean it's cute.

Wendy (22:33.836)
Why do... I mean, it is cute, but is it because Eric isn't around? Like, I would think he would be Papa. You know what mean? or...

Kelli (22:41.196)
No, think, know, like Alex started calling my mother Bami. Like it's just a thing. My nephew calls my aunt, Gee. You know, like it's just a, like maybe her first grandchild just started saying Papa, you know. And it just stuck.

Wendy (22:47.788)
It's just the name. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Lori (22:49.361)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:53.244)
okay.

Wendy (22:58.946)
Papa, papa, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (22:59.546)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it just stuck. Yeah.

Wendy (23:03.034)
did I tell you I picked out my grandmother name? I mean, not that I'm having grandchildren anytime soon, but I have my grandmother name picked out.

Kelli (23:07.804)
What is it?

What is it? Are you Dallas or no?

Wendy (23:12.108)
You want to know? Should I tell you? Honey.

Lori (23:12.238)
I know, what do you... Yeah, you brought it up!

Kelli (23:15.194)
Yeah. We're not going to steal it.

Lori (23:19.484)
I like that. I like that. Now my f-

Kelli (23:20.604)
What?

Wendy (23:22.272)
I know, I love that too. You can steal it. You can steal it. God, what's yours?

Kelli (23:23.888)
Very sweet. No, no, no, no, no. I got mine, but Tess said it's a stripper name, so I can't use it. But now I don't wanna say it just in case one of our listeners has that name. I don't wanna insult anybody, but I'm doing it. I'm using it, whether she likes it or not. Go ahead, Laura.

Lori (23:35.748)
Okay.

Wendy (23:38.425)
Lori (23:42.414)
My friend's Victoria, her grandson calls her Bachi.

Kelli (23:48.934)
BACHI

Wendy (23:49.442)
Hachi?

Lori (23:50.714)
Badgey,

Kelli (23:52.54)
And yeah, I've heard that.

Wendy (23:53.9)
Okay, now that we're talking about grandmother names. Thank you. That's just like me,

Kelli (23:56.858)
Yeah, I love honey though. That's very sweet.

Kelli (24:01.978)
Yes. Super, super sweet.

Lori (24:03.11)
yeah!

dripping with honey.

Kelli (24:08.156)
So she tells Callie they're going out to dinner.

Lori (24:11.707)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:13.528)
So.

Yep.

Kelli (24:17.604)
And she said she and her husband never go out to dinner.

Wendy (24:22.925)
Believe it.

Lori (24:23.356)
That's weird, that's a little weird.

Kelli (24:25.116)
It's just weird, like not that Eric and I are out every week, but first of all, we live in New Jersey. We live in the Mecca of good food and you live in North Jersey. So you even have better food up there. The food's great here, but it's even better up there. What are you doing?

Lori (24:28.676)
No, Jamie and I either, right?

Yes. Fruit up there.

Up there, yeah. So what are you doing? Right? Yeah.

Kelli (24:45.212)
I was floored by that. I mean, I'm not saying you have to go out every week because we certainly don't, but we go out our fair share. There's one thing Eric and I like to do together is eat.

Lori (24:48.316)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:48.685)
Yeah.

Lori (24:53.564)
Yeah, every once in a while you go out to eat. Right, every once in a while you go out to eat. Doesn't have to be some big romantic date, I mean...

Kelli (25:02.972)
But look at where you live, there's gotta be good food!

Lori (25:05.713)
Yeah. Something.

Wendy (25:08.877)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:08.924)
How about when she didn't kiss him when she left?

Lori (25:11.93)
Yeah, just out. That's why that made me think too that there's something more here than what she's selling.

Wendy (25:16.27)
That was telling.

Kelli (25:23.024)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:27.308)
And back in New Jersey, Sue asks Emily if she's ever mucked a stall before. She's like, yeah, I grew up in Ohio. So she gets the bitch fork and she's taken out the dirty hay and she's like, she's in there doing it. I mean, she admits that she's exhausted. And you know, she's not used to doing that physical work, but she knew what to do and she wasn't afraid to get in there and do it.

Kelli (25:40.902)
Yeah.

Lori (25:46.342)
Mm-hmm.

you

Wendy (25:52.384)
And back in the OC, Callie's like, Shane cooks, he cleans, he's scheduling date nights. You know, I didn't even think husbands like this exist, but apparently they do.

Kelli (26:03.034)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:05.164)
Shane's a good guy.

Kelli (26:06.78)
He is, he really is. kind of, we've always said it. Even first season, like first season, feel like they tried to edit him to make him kind of look like a little douchey, but I don't think he did anything wrong. Like the first scene was like Gina was in their house and she got drunk. Emily had all, and she was being loud and it was late and his kids were sleeping and he told her,

Wendy (26:08.494)
He is and we've always said that we've always said that

Wendy (26:21.379)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:29.751)
And she was loud.

Wendy (26:33.976)
And the kids were there. Yep.

Kelli (26:35.75)
to get out and quite honestly, I'm pretty sure my husband would have done the same thing.

Lori (26:40.706)
I know your husband would do the same thing. He definitely would.

Kelli (26:43.366)
He would, he definitely would. If my kids were sleeping and you were drunk and you were being loud and obnoxious, he would tell you to leave. Yeah, but they kind of tried to paint, yes, Bill would definitely be like, you look like you need another drink.

Lori (26:50.129)
Yeah.

Yeah, he'd be like, you got to go. See you tomorrow.

Wendy (26:54.742)
My husband would pour you another drink. And feed you. He would feed you.

Lori (27:01.532)
Mm-hmm. Come. Right. Let's go in the garage and have a cigarette and I'll make you a maple.

Kelli (27:07.002)
Right. Right.

Lori (27:10.064)
Yes. But you could talk to me for hours and I'll be very happy.

Wendy (27:14.21)
That's right. Meanwhile, I'm the one upstairs sleeping. And it's you, it's me, you're waking up.

Kelli (27:18.147)
Right. Wendy's the one tempted to tell you to leave, but you wouldn't.

Lori (27:18.236)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:25.326)
And then Callie's back getting ready for date night and she yells down to Annabelle, like, can you help me with my makeup, you know, for a quick second? And she's like, no.

I was like, Ooh.

Kelli (27:40.22)
Yeah.

Lori (27:42.32)
But you know, kudos to her, she did keep trying.

Wendy (27:45.772)
Yes, she did. She did.

Kelli (27:46.31)
She did.

Lori (27:47.386)
did she just kept calm and chipped away at it.

Wendy (27:51.459)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:51.696)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (27:56.526)
They asked, the producers asked the kids, like, kind of things is she going to need to do to be like your mom to Eric's kids? And the kids say, manage dad. That's the biggest one. I was like, that's so funny.

Kelli (28:12.922)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (28:13.742)
Boy boy, that's very telling, isn't it?

Wendy (28:15.086)
It's so funny that the kids see and they know what's going on, right? I mean, they're not dumb.

Lori (28:20.44)
Mm-hmm. No. And it was weird. Like, he just... He was just very awkward in his own home. Like, he didn't even know what to do. It was just odd.

Wendy (28:35.0)
Well, he said he was nervous. He did say he was nervous. I mean, I thought it was odd though when he walked in the first thing he said hi, he says hi to the pig. Like he meets Emily. Like he doesn't like look for his kid. it was, I mean, I guess he was nervous. You know, there's all these cameras there.

Lori (28:38.416)
Mmm.

Kelli (28:51.642)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden you have a camera crew in your house.

Lori (28:53.116)
Yeah.

Lori (28:56.571)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:56.726)
Right. And then Emily says, so what do you guys do after dinner? And they're like, we like to go for a walk as a, you know, as a family. With the horse. Yeah. And, and the goat and, and. Right.

Kelli (29:06.8)
with the animals.

Lori (29:08.316)
Yeah, with the animals. Like Dr. Doolittle walking down the street. It's kind of it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. Yeah, those neighbors, those neighbors must be like, what the fuck? Here come all these animals going to eat all this shit, piss and shit all over everything. What can walk down the road because there's horse shit in it.

Kelli (29:14.556)
It was like Jumanji.

Wendy (29:16.737)
I know.

Wendy (29:24.013)
Right.

Kelli (29:26.929)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:27.564)
Yep. So Eric doesn't even know how to put the halter on the horse, but Adelaide does, but Emily does. Emily takes it. She's like, know how to do it. But I thought it was interesting when the horse started to move, Eric is yelling at Adelaide to close the gate. He couldn't close the gate so that the horse didn't get out? Like, I mean, even if you don't know how to put the halter on, you know how to close the gate.

Kelli (29:48.592)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (29:54.212)
You must know how to close a gate. But here's, if he's so used to not doing anything, he's used to telling people what to do. So yeah, like that's his mindset. Like I'm not gonna do it, I'm gonna tell you to do it.

Wendy (29:56.405)
Right!

Lori (29:59.857)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:03.831)
Yeah.

Lori (30:07.75)
Right.

Wendy (30:08.332)
Right, yeah. I mean, when I saw the horse running out, I thought, my gosh, but Emily got it right away and she totally had it handled. Like it wasn't even an issue.

Kelli (30:10.854)
But that's that.

Kelli (30:17.552)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (30:18.214)
yeah, yeah, because you know, because she knows horses. So she knew not to panic. She knew that the first thing the horse was going to do was trot off a little bit and then find a really good piece of grass. And that's all you had to do was wait for him to find some dandelion and then you could go over there and do what you got to do.

Wendy (30:40.344)
So they all start walking down the street, you know, the horse, the kids, the goat.

And family says she's been there five minutes and she's already had it wrangled the horse. And Eric doesn't even know how to handle the animals at all. I mean, not at all.

Lori (30:59.9)
And you think to yourself, okay, so she says that they take a walk. So you're telling me this guy walks with these animals every night and you still don't get that? You still don't like make a connection with the animals? don't get a clue as to like what the fuck is going on? What do you? Maybe he doesn't go, maybe she just goes with the kids. Like, I don't know what's going on there.

Wendy (31:10.296)
Right.

Kelli (31:13.157)
Right.

Kelli (31:23.93)
Right, or maybe they don't normally take the animals and they're just saying they take the animals, you know? That's what I mean. I don't know how much I trust with these two.

Lori (31:27.74)
Yeah, they tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (31:34.118)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (31:35.436)
No, because it doesn't make sense because, you know, she in the beginning said, he loves the animals. He's like, I hate the animals. You know? And like you said, he

Lori (31:43.334)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:46.374)
He made it like he worked so hard so she can stay home and have this farm. Right?

Wendy (31:53.836)
Right. But every time we saw him, he was either laying around on his phone or in the bed. I mean, granted, we didn't see him in his office, you know, doing his actual work, but still, I don't know.

Kelli (32:04.955)
Right.

Kelli (32:08.294)
Right. I know, it was a weird one. Leave it to the people from New Jersey to like put on a fake show, giving us a bad name. Yep. Do we not have enough problems already with the Real Housewives of New Jersey?

Lori (32:11.931)
It was weird.

Right. Right. Mess it all up.

Wendy (32:17.229)
Yeah.

Lori (32:24.132)
Right, now we gotta have this strain.

Wendy (32:24.19)
I know, exactly. We don't need it with wipe swap, damn it.

Kelli (32:27.725)
Exactly.

Lori (32:30.108)
Staying on our rep.

Lori (32:36.476)
Alright, so...

Kelli (32:36.646)
I loved Shane and Callie being out to dinner though. When she said she feels guilty, she doesn't bring in any income and Shane's like, you but that's, you you bring a different kind of value.

Wendy (32:40.162)
I do too.

Lori (32:49.934)
You work, listen, Right, you work.

Wendy (32:55.884)
Yes.

Lori (32:56.102)
She probably works 6 to 9.30. That's what she works. Because she works at home. Absolutely. Yeah, she's working. So I want to ask you guys this question because I've seen some... I don't watch OC, but I do go in our comments and like them and comment back if I can on our social media posts.

Kelli (32:56.251)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:05.23)
6 a.m. to 9 30 p.m. For sure, for sure.

Wendy (33:24.675)
You

Lori (33:27.036)
But people have said things about, and correct me if I could be confusing shows, about Emily should be staying home with her son, helping her son. What's going on with her son? Do I have the wrong show?

Wendy (33:42.326)
No, this is the show.

Kelli (33:42.364)
No, you're spot on. Her son's having...

Lori (33:44.346)
Okay. So what's the deal?

Kelli (33:48.838)
personally feel its anxiety issues and when we cover O.C. I'll tell you why. Her son's in the fourth grade and all of a sudden he went from like a very gifted child to having issues with eating and outbursts and his behavior changed tremendously.

Wendy (34:09.25)
refusing to go to school, talking like a baby, like just really regressing.

Kelli (34:15.758)
So he was...

Lori (34:16.338)
cause I didn't, I didn't see that at all in the episode. And I was like, yeah. So I was like, do I, am I thinking of the wrong, the wrong show?

Kelli (34:20.836)
You did not see that at all in this episode.

Kelli (34:27.624)
No, but you know, again, this is only two days and their father was with them the whole time. So, but he was going this season on OC, he was going under testing to see if he was on the spectrum and all kinds of things. Learning disabilities.

Lori (34:32.282)
Right. Right, right, right.

Lori (34:51.516)
Hmm.

Wendy (34:55.789)
Yeah.

Lori (34:57.04)
Interesting, very interesting.

Wendy (34:58.712)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:59.836)
She had a hard season because of the issues she was dealing with with him. Which is interesting as to why she would choose to go away for two days, but on wife swap. Like people are saying on social media. But whatever, mean, you know, he was totally fine while she was gone. So.

Wendy (35:06.466)
Yes, she did.

Wendy (35:19.094)
Right, right. you don't listen, these opportunities are presented to you and you have to take them when they're there, you know? And her husband supports her in her decisions. Right, her husband 100 % supports her in these decisions. Shane does say when they're out to dinner, like you're not gonna have to put the kids to bed when you get home. And she's like, that's gonna be weird. Cause she's so used to doing everything. And back in...

Kelli (35:23.44)
Mm-hmm.

For sure. This is a blip. Right.

Lori (35:26.884)
Right, right.

Lori (35:43.769)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:46.726)
New Jersey, Emily's asking like, it time to get like jammies on because nobody's getting ready for bed and because Eric's just sitting there. So Emily decides, you know, to tell the kids like it's time to get ready for bed and she gets them all in bed and then the two little girls wind up in her bed anyway. I wonder if that happens with Callie, you know.

Kelli (36:09.23)
Yeah, probably not. They probably just go to bed when Cally tells them to go to bed. They were probably excited that somebody knew was there.

Lori (36:09.328)
Probably.

Wendy (36:15.754)
Yeah. The next morning, Emily's making breakfast and Eric is still in bed. In the OC, Shane is making breakfast and Callie comes down and she's like, this is lovely. And he makes her waffles, which is lovely.

After breakfast in New Jersey, Emily asks Adelaide if she'd like to go help her feed the horses. And then she comes down dressed in a denim outfit just like Emily's and she's like, my God, I love this. You match me. this is, I know that really was cute. It was really cute.

Lori (36:46.8)
here.

Kelli (36:48.368)
was so cute.

Lori (36:50.777)
Yeah.

And when you have a 12 year old at home like she has, it's nice to have that. You know, like the previous wife swaps where they, yeah, where they had that moment of, you know, it was like when your child was smaller and wanted to be with you.

Kelli (37:00.802)
Angie.

Wendy (37:01.196)
Yes.

Kelli (37:09.892)
Yeah, that was super sweet. I thought that was so cute.

Wendy (37:10.68)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:16.13)
And then they're out there with the chickens and they're getting the eggs and Emily's naming the chickens after Orange County housewives. I did too.

Lori (37:23.768)
I thought that was really funny. I loved it. I loved the one where they did with Shannon. I thought that was really cute. that I loved it. It's so cute. Thought it was very clever.

Kelli (37:23.994)
hysterical. That was hysterical.

She's all disheveled.

Wendy (37:30.016)
Yes.

Wendy (37:36.193)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:36.7)
That was really good.

Wendy (37:40.544)
And she's talking to Emily's talking to Adelaide and saying like, you spend more time with your mom or your dad. And she's like, well, she spends more time with her mom. She's like, every Monday they go horseback riding and then they go to dinner. Which I thought that was interesting. So.

Lori (37:57.213)
Well, you know, maybe the horseback riding is in a certain area and then maybe like the lessons are from four to five and then they just go to get, know what I mean? Grab something on the way home. Yeah.

Kelli (38:11.426)
And it's just one on one time, know, one on one time. And maybe she does that with each of them, we only heard it from the one, you know.

Wendy (38:11.66)
Yeah, I mean, it could be. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (38:19.352)
For the one, yeah, yeah. Then it's lunchtime, then Emily's making lunch for the kids, and Eric is around, but not participating.

Lori (38:19.802)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:32.698)
No, he actually comes out of his office and asks for lunch. He said he's embarrassed to admit it, but he doesn't seem embarrassed. Like, you don't seem very embarrassed.

Wendy (38:36.397)
Yeah.

Lori (38:43.58)
And how do you live in a house and not know where the pots and pans are? I mean, so you've never been in your own kitchen when your wife put a pot away? I mean, the kitchen was big, but it wasn't like, I was just like, how's that even possible? It's crazy town.

Wendy (38:43.618)
you

Kelli (38:50.948)
Right.

Kelli (39:03.088)
Right. Right.

Wendy (39:05.07)
That's crazy. That's crazy.

Kelli (39:09.733)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:12.118)
In Orange County, it's three hours until the rules change and Gina shows up and Gina's gonna take Callie down to the marina to get some coffee. I loved this. Now you don't know Gina, coffee, that's right, with her Long Island accent, coffee. So Gina and Emily are like Laverne Shirley in the O.C., like they're very close. They came on

Kelli (39:23.728)
Me too. Especially when she said coffee.

Coffee. Yeah.

Wendy (39:40.546)
the OC together and they just formed a bond and they became very close.

So Gina's asking her, you know, like how are things like, you know, day to day, like by yourself. And she's like, well, you know, I go to the barn, like that's what I do for myself. I really loved that Gina explained to her about her husband. Like your husband works a nine to five job and you're a housewife and you work from nine to five, but anything out of that time, you guys should be sharing. Because she was also saying that she felt like, you know,

Kelli (40:12.39)
Bye.

Wendy (40:16.012)
because I don't financially contribute that I should be doing everything. And Gina said, no, like you're both working. And I love that she explained it to her that way.

Lori (40:22.844)
you

Kelli (40:24.772)
Gina could actually relate because when she was married to Matt, that was the dynamic. So Gina could actually relate to it.

Wendy (40:31.532)
Right.

Yes, yes. And I think Callie got it then too, when Gina explained that to her. She said, that's a very interesting way of looking at it. I think it was like a light bulb went off for her.

Wendy (40:49.678)
And Gina said to her, kind of backed yourself in a corner there. I was like, okay, Gina. And she did though.

Kelli (40:53.105)
Yeah.

Lori (40:57.136)
Well, when you set that kind of precedent that you're just going to do everything and he's going to do nothing, then that's what happens.

Kelli (41:05.5)
Yeah.

Lori (41:07.472)
So what are you doing?

Wendy (41:11.158)
I'll be honest with you, you know...

Kelli (41:11.888)
People are gonna let you, people are gonna get, you know, not get away with, but people are gonna let you do what you do. Like if you do everything, typically somebody's not gonna be like, no, no, no, let me, you know, do that for you. It's just, right. Great, she's gonna do that too? Awesome.

Lori (41:28.41)
Right. Let me help out. Right. What can I do? No, they're just going to be like, okay.

Right.

Wendy (41:37.474)
Yeah, no, I totally agree. And I think about it, know, my father always worked and my mother was a stay at home mom. And so she did everything just like a regular stay at home mom would do. She did the cooking, she did the cleaning, she did the shopping. know, dinner was on the table at five and she did the dishes, she did everything. And she kind of would get mad at my father when he was older and she was older.

Kelli (41:45.82)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:58.332)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (42:05.966)
She's like, your father doesn't do anything around here. And I'm like, well, he never did. He never did anything. This is nothing new. He's never done anything. I I get that you're frustrated, but you can't be mad at him because this is what he's always done.

Kelli (42:10.916)
Exactly, exactly.

Lori (42:21.916)
Right. Now I was a stay at home mom for a long time, but, and I did do everything, but my husband always, always, always helped. He always did his, he always did his part. He always went food shopping with me. He always helped me do the laundry. He always helped me do cleaning on the weekends. He always helped me.

Wendy (42:23.149)
You know?

Kelli (42:46.896)
Yeah, I can't complain. Eric does most of the laundry. He does a lot on Saturdays when I'm working at the salon, like a lot of the cleaning because that's when I used to clean my house and I don't now. So I still like to do the food shopping by myself because when Eric's in charge of that, a lot of unnecessary items are purchased and necessary items are not purchased. But like even like he just decided like two weeks ago to

Wendy (42:47.0)
That's awesome.

Lori (43:00.444)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (43:08.666)
Yes, it can go sideways. Yes.

Kelli (43:15.516)
We paint the bathroom, just change out some things and I really can't complain. I do a lot, but he helps.

Lori (43:25.806)
Right. But he, but the point is, that he, they help. So it's a totally different, it's a totally different gig.

Wendy (43:31.566)
Absolutely. Absolutely. But I think it's because we started it that way, right? Because my husband does a lot around here too. He does the laundry, he does the cooking, he does cleaning. I mean, I do cleaning. If I have to cook, I can cook, but not if he's around because he's not going to eat anything I cook anyway. So what's the point of us both cooking, right? But he's, I mean, I think it's because we set those precedents because we...

Kelli (43:34.746)
Yeah, like I was.

Lori (43:50.906)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (44:00.32)
whether we worked or we didn't, know, this is what was expected on our end from others, right? Whereas like you said, if somebody was just gonna keep doing it and you never said anything to them, well then it's gonna keep happening.

Kelli (44:05.168)
Yep. Yes. Yeah.

Lori (44:05.232)
Yeah. Right. Right. Right.

Lori (44:15.1)
Absolutely.

Kelli (44:15.554)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Lori (44:19.3)
And it almost felt to me like, like Kelly said, I think there's more to the story there because it's almost like she seemed like pissed at him. Like even if he wanted to help, I feel like she would have been like, she wouldn't even want to spend the time with him if he did want to help.

Kelli (44:41.392)
No, she definitely was closed off to something, it was either an act to make it look like they're just, you know, they're having issues in their marriage to pique some interest in them for some reason, or something happened and she is not over it. And you know, they really need to work on that and probably shouldn't have went on Wiveswap on national television. You know what I mean?

Lori (44:47.174)
Right.

Lori (44:53.946)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (45:06.808)
Yeah, something. Yeah. Yeah, it's either one or the other or somewhere in between.

Wendy (45:10.081)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (45:11.674)
Yeah, or somewhere in between. Yeah.

Wendy (45:15.672)
So in New Jersey, its rules change and Emily says, we're gonna switch it up. Rule number one is dad now has to take care of the animals. Eric said, why does everyone hate me?

Kelli (45:31.26)
We don't know, Eric, tell us.

Wendy (45:31.756)
Rule number two, bedtime, dad is in charge. And then rule number three, we're gonna have a date night. Eric seems excited, but she said, you're gonna have to cook something nice for dinner. And he's like.

Kelli (45:46.96)
Now why does he have to cook? Why couldn't they go out?

Wendy (45:50.732)
because he doesn't cook, so she wanted him to cook.

Kelli (45:53.527)
Mmm. Got it.

Lori (45:53.649)
cook? You know why? Because in case of a disaster he needed to find out where the pots were. He didn't even know. Yeah, he didn't even know.

Kelli (46:00.816)
Yeah, and the fire extinguisher.

Wendy (46:01.26)
Yeah. Right.

Wendy (46:10.23)
So back in the OC, Callie says her rules are about being present. And rule number one is she's limiting screen time. And she said Annabelle is gonna help her tonight in the kitchen for dinner. And we love to have a sit down family dinner. So as she's saying this, the look on Annabelle's face, like she looked mortified. Like you had just like taken her best friend and

She was never going to see her again. Her face just said it all.

Kelli (46:40.602)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (46:47.988)
She said, I'd love to see your kids engaging and going outside and doing something together. She said, Annabelle's always on her phone. Annabelle's not really having any of it.

And back in New Jersey, Emily's laying in bed while Eric is outside with Adelaide and they're trying to give the pig a bath in the baby pool. That was an interesting little feat they were doing there.

Lori (47:16.528)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:20.952)
It was so funny when he was in the, in the, in the hay with the shit with his son and they fell. What did his son was actually like, the fuck are you doing? It was so natural, so Jersey. I'm like, okay, now that was real.

Lori (47:27.004)
I only fell. I wiped out.

Wendy (47:28.62)
with his son, Graham.

Lori (47:34.332)
Yes, and he called him, he called him, he called him fat. It was great.

Wendy (47:42.062)
That was real. Yes. Yes. Yes. That was so good.

Kelli (47:45.968)
I'm like, this is, this is real. This is Jersey.

Lori (47:48.1)
Yes, that was funny. That was funny. Yeah.

Wendy (47:51.234)
That was so good. I mean, he literally knocked him, he knocked his son over.

Kelli (47:56.516)
Yeah, like what the fuck were you doing? This is shit. This is manure.

Lori (47:58.897)
You're right.

Wendy (48:00.622)
They were racing. They were racing.

Lori (48:03.804)
It's funny. But the sun was really funny. That was great.

Kelli (48:08.122)
Yeah, he like just said it like all of our kids would he just said it

Lori (48:11.052)
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Kelli (48:19.376)
Callie was very smart. She had Annabelle cut the sausage, so she had to put her phone down.

Lori (48:25.242)
Yep, need two hands.

Wendy (48:25.932)
Yep.

Kelli (48:27.354)
Yeah, that was good.

Wendy (48:30.134)
And meanwhile, Keller asked Callie if she needs help setting the table. They seem so sweet, those boys.

Lori (48:35.548)
Yeah, they do sound very sweet.

Kelli (48:36.55)
They really do. And you know, if Annabelle and Emily really are like butting heads and the two younger ones see it, they probably like try to overcompensate and be more considerate of Emily and you know, cause siblings pick up on everything obviously.

Lori (48:50.55)
Mm-hmm. They want to

Lori (48:57.092)
Right, right, right. They just, they probably turn into like the peacemakers. Like they just want things to be common house, which I'm sure, I don't know. I would lose my shit if I was Emily.

Kelli (49:01.403)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:11.514)
Well, especially if you have that coupled with the issues that she's going through with Lou.

Lori (49:18.33)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (49:18.882)
Right. Right.

Wendy (49:23.406)
And back in the OC, Shane has his parents come over for dinner and his cousin, and they're all sitting around the table and they're eating. And I think it was the cousin that said that growing up, they would always sit around the table every night and have dinner together as a family.

Lori (49:43.483)
so that was his mom. I don't know why I was thinking that was Emily's mom. His mom.

Wendy (49:45.804)
It was his mom. Nope, that was Shane's mom.

Kelli (49:48.516)
No, those were his parents. I actually thought that was his sister, but it was his cousin. Okay, okay. Because I know his sister's been on the show. I didn't see what it said, so okay.

Wendy (49:52.502)
It said cousin underneath it, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (49:59.222)
Yeah, I'd never seen her before and I looked at it, it say it was his cousin.

Kelli (50:01.402)
Right. And his parents have been on the show before. They're very sweet, his parents.

Wendy (50:06.912)
Yes, they have a gorgeous house. live in like this beautiful mansion.

Kelli (50:10.065)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:14.0)
Yeah, and they seem to really like Emily.

Wendy (50:17.166)
Yes, they love Emily. And by the way, you don't know this, but Shane is Mormon.

Lori (50:17.471)
that's good.

Kelli (50:19.1)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:23.482)
yeah, but he's the only one in his family who's Mormon. Like it's not like he was raised Mormon, because what national, like what is his or his parents' background? Remember she just did that party. Persian?

Wendy (50:25.078)
Emily is not. Yes.

He's Mormon by choice.

Lori (50:32.921)
Really?

Wendy (50:39.656)
gosh, No. Maybe.

Kelli (50:42.159)
No.

I what they are.

Wendy (50:46.582)
I forget to, yes. Right. He's Mormon. So he doesn't drink. He doesn't drink. And he's actually a practicing Mormon. Yeah.

Kelli (50:48.134)
But they are not Mormon, Shane is though.

Lori (50:51.964)
That's interesting.

Kelli (50:54.128)
Never drank.

Kelli (50:58.842)
Yeah, yeah, like he takes his kids to church. Emily goes like once in a while.

Lori (51:00.045)
Wow.

Lori (51:04.569)
Interesting.

Wendy (51:05.184)
And Shane was married before and he has an older daughter as well.

Kelli (51:05.616)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:09.244)
Two, two I think.

Wendy (51:11.298)
Two older, two? I don't think so.

Kelli (51:12.922)
I think so.

Lori (51:14.084)
wow.

Kelli (51:15.834)
Yeah, I think it's two. I think only one has been on the show though.

Wendy (51:17.11)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (51:21.724)
All right, so we'll ask her audience. Does Shane have two daughters from previous marriage or one?

Wendy (51:21.846)
Okay.

Wendy (51:29.324)
We don't have to ask our audience that. I'll look it up. I think he only has one.

Kelli (51:32.124)
You

Lori (51:32.262)
Well, I'm just trying to wrangle them in, Wendy.

Lori (51:40.348)
I know you're big with the questions lately.

Wendy (51:41.262)
They're like, we don't work for you bitches. You want to know if he has two daughters, you look it up.

Kelli (51:48.269)
Exactly.

Wendy (51:49.966)
Lori (51:50.001)
Right?

Lori (51:54.81)
Alright.

Kelli (51:55.58)
But yeah, it is interesting that he's Mormon and nobody else in his family is, like he didn't wake up like.

Wendy (52:02.286)
I know, and it doesn't come up that, and wake up like that, it doesn't come up that often either. Like it's not, you wouldn't even know it. You know what I'm saying? It's not something that's a topic of conversation.

Lori (52:02.3)
You didn't wake up like that. That's funny.

Lori (52:10.584)
No, right.

Kelli (52:14.008)
No, other than the fact that because he just doesn't drink like that that comes up once in a while but

Lori (52:15.196)
It's interesting.

Lori (52:19.482)
Interesting.

Wendy (52:19.725)
Yeah.

so in New Jersey, the kids are helping Eric and they're decorating the dining room with the roses, the rose petals and the candles. So cute. Eric said, I almost broke my neck outside today. Like I was thinking to myself, I don't know how my wife does this, which I'm glad you're thinking that. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (52:32.134)
Yeah, that was sweet.

Lori (52:33.489)
cute.

Lori (52:44.988)
That's exactly what you should be thinking.

Lori (52:51.388)
That's exactly it.

Wendy (52:51.966)
I thought this was interesting that Emily asked him if he thinks that there's something holding him back from doing more effort in and around the house. And he even says, I think that's interesting. I mean, honestly, I really don't know what made her ask that question.

Lori (53:12.048)
Well, maybe she senses that there's something more than-

Kelli (53:12.252)
Yeah.

Lori (53:17.094)
what's been presented, you know?

Kelli (53:19.196)
Well she feels like he feels like he's not valued so why like why bother? But yeah.

Wendy (53:25.602)
Yeah.

Lori (53:25.852)
I just thought that the whole premise, even at the end of the show where the two of them meet, I just felt like the whole premise how it got like...

made about how he feels like she's not doing something right. It was just like, it was just weird. It's like, no, you're fucking sitting around and she does everything. So why, I don't know why it got turned around that it was somehow, I mean, to a certain degree, I understand what they were saying about him. But I don't know, to me it was odd. It felt very odd.

Kelli (53:43.12)
Yeah, it was weird.

Kelli (53:51.835)
Right.

Wendy (53:51.959)
Right.

Kelli (54:06.02)
I totally agree with you. Yeah, like it, like he was the victim almost. But she's fucking doing everything.

Lori (54:07.652)
You know what I'm talking about and what trying to say, right?

Lori (54:13.404)
Yeah, I was like, what? mean, right. mean, everything has a side. like, you know, we already talked about how maybe he's uncomfortable with his own house. Maybe she doesn't want him to hang out and do anything like fucking yada, yada, yada. But still in the end, I was like, why is this getting like, I don't know, I was confused.

Kelli (54:34.586)
Right. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you.

Wendy (54:37.198)
Well, he did say that, you know, he doesn't think he's appreciated, but I thought it was, he said, if Callie would come in and sit next to me for 10 minutes while I'm watching a basketball game, that would make me happy. 10 minutes?

Lori (54:51.332)
And he did kept saying that he did keep saying that, you know, he would have loved for her to come have lunch with him. So it just does seem like she won't spend any time with him. So maybe that in turn is making him feel like. Blah, blah, blah. But, know, you can still step in and step up and lend a hand. Even if she can't fucking stand you.

Wendy (54:58.594)
Yes!

Right.

Kelli (55:02.288)
Right, right.

Kelli (55:19.056)
Well, it just seems like now they're in a vicious cycle.

Wendy (55:19.896)
Right.

Lori (55:23.546)
Yes.

Wendy (55:24.054)
Yes, I think that's true.

Kelli (55:25.03)
where she's gonna do everything and she's not gonna ask you for any help. So you're gonna sit back and not do anything and then she's gonna resent you for not doing anything. Somebody's gotta break the cycle.

Lori (55:28.622)
Right. And then she's going to get pissed off. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah.

Wendy (55:33.805)
Right, right.

Lori (55:36.602)
Yeah.

Wendy (55:36.95)
Yes. Emily does call him out and says, you know, I think that there's an obligation, you know, for you to do work in the office, but I also think that you just go in there to escape. And I like that she called him out for that, you know. And he admits it.

Kelli (55:48.794)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Lori (55:51.216)
But you know what? But it's interesting because Emily admitted to doing the same thing in her house.

Kelli (55:57.08)
Exactly. She says she sees a lot of Eric and Shane. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (55:57.462)
Inner bedroom, I thought the same thing. Yes, yes. And honestly, I mean, I don't do it now, but there was a time. Maybe I do do it now. I mean, my bedroom is my place I hide too. Yeah.

Lori (56:12.41)
Your safe place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, when things are chaotic in your home, sometimes you just got to get the fuck out of there. Because if you stay, it'll be bad.

Wendy (56:17.154)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:21.872)
Yep. Yeah, man.

Wendy (56:22.466)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep.

Lori (56:31.206)
So maybe the two of them, maybe Emily and her daughter really do brawl a lot. And you know what, if they do, that certainly could be part of that kid's problem.

Kelli (56:43.356)
100%. If there is any kind of static in the house and your kid is prone to anxiety, they're going to absorb it. Yep.

Lori (56:47.323)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:47.576)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (56:54.14)
then they're gonna be like a sponge and then that's what's gonna come out is exactly the things that he's exhibiting.

Kelli (57:02.65)
Yep. 100%.

Wendy (57:08.554)
Emily says to Eric, all the animals are because Callie wants them. He said 100%. Those are her passions. But he said, but Callie's passions become my passions in a lot of ways. And Emily's like, no, that's not true. mean, who are you trying to sell this to? Right.

Kelli (57:24.162)
You don't like the animals, right?

Lori (57:26.49)
Right. Right.

Wendy (57:33.41)
She tells him that she sees a lot of her husband in him. And she doesn't think what he's asking for is an unreasonable request, you know, for her to spend some time with him.

Kelli (57:47.44)
I mean, if you're gonna say marry to somebody, you should spend time with them. I mean, and it doesn't mean you have to go out every week with them. you know, I mean, Eric and I do not watch, obviously Eric's not watching Bravo and Eric will watch every fucking sport that's on TV. I don't, but we watch basketball together, we watch football together and we have like certain shows on Netflix we watch together. Like that's, you know, so.

Wendy (57:49.974)
You got it, yeah. 100%.

Lori (57:51.706)
Right. Right.

Lori (57:56.41)
Right. Right.

Kelli (58:16.13)
It's not like we're never, you we're always watching separate things. If you're gonna stay married to somebody, you have to spend time with them.

Lori (58:22.896)
Right, you gotta be able to sit on the couch and scroll on your phone while your husband's watching shows from the 70s. I mean, you gotta have some something. mean, yeah. I mean, you know, we have small houses. There's not lot of room to run to. So you gotta kinda...

Kelli (58:25.276)
Yeah.

Kelli (58:29.306)
Right. Exactly. And now you know what goes on at Lori's house.

Wendy (58:36.866)
Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (58:44.732)
That's right.

Wendy (58:47.298)
Make it work.

Lori (58:48.272)
You gotta make it work. Yeah.

Kelli (58:48.518)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (58:50.998)
Yeah, Bill and I, it's a challenge for us to find things that we both enjoy watching together. So right now we have Dancing with the Stars, we record that and we watch that together. We have Shark Tank, we watch that together. And we have Below Deck, we watch that together. So those are the three that we always watch together. And then when we try and find something on Netflix, Bill has his own Netflix account and

When he finds something he thinks I'll like, he'll put it in his list and then we'll go through the list and then I'll say okay to that one. He'll be like, nah, no, well then, and it takes us 45 minutes to find the one that we agree on in the list.

Lori (59:32.657)
to find one thing, the one thing, yeah. See what usually happens in my house, if I have TV, it's all about who's doing TV control. If he's watching something, I let him watch it until it annoys me and then I'm like, all right, I can't take them, we gotta put some mounts on. Enough with it. But if I'm watching something, if it's something he's interested in, then he'll start watching it. If it's not something he's interested in, he'll...

Kelli (59:41.627)
Yeah.

Kelli (59:50.15)
Yeah, enough with the original Hawaii Five-O.

Wendy (59:53.166)
you

Lori (01:00:02.63)
just go on his phone or read the newspaper or do whatever it is he does. But you're still sitting next to each other. You're still spending time together,

Kelli (01:00:05.82)
Right. But you're still sitting next to each other. I mean, it is what it is. Right.

Wendy (01:00:09.336)
Right.

Right. And then the other dynamic that happens in my house is my two bully sons will grab the remote from one of us, physically grab it, and then put on a sports thing. And then we have to physically fight with him or yell at him or just give up and go in another room and watch TV. I'm like, this is my house. This is my house. But honestly,

Kelli (01:00:32.068)
Right. What just happened? Right. I paid the bills.

Wendy (01:00:39.51)
Listen, there's gonna be a time when they're not here to argue with me, these little brats. So it is what it is. It is what it is. I am the adult and so is my husband, so we go in the other room.

Kelli (01:00:43.376)
That's right, that's right.

Lori (01:00:47.654)
Yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (01:00:47.888)
Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

Right. Right.

Wendy (01:00:59.243)
I love that Georgina and Emily had a, had a dance party before bedtime. Yes.

Kelli (01:01:01.102)
Eric handled the bedtime. Yeah, dance party, that was cute.

Lori (01:01:05.168)
Yes.

Wendy (01:01:10.638)
movie night together, no screen time, the whole family was sitting down together. Eric put the kids to bed.

Wendy (01:01:24.088)
Callie asks Luke and Keller, one thing you're going to miss about me being here, and Luke says everything. And Luke is the one that she's having problems with. It's Luke.

Lori (01:01:30.044)
Aww.

Kelli (01:01:30.14)
I only know that was cute.

Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (01:01:34.084)
Right.

Wendy (01:01:37.567)
And she said, do you

Kelli (01:01:37.756)
and they said that they would like to continue at family dinner.

Lori (01:01:41.18)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:01:41.334)
Yes. And Callie said, you want to get a pig? And Keller said, yeah, if it's a big and juicy, he wants to eat the pig.

Lori (01:01:53.57)
Bye.

Wendy (01:01:55.905)
You

Kelli (01:01:59.717)
Yeah.

Lori (01:01:59.727)
And it didn't seem like the one, the other mom did have a little moment with Emily's daughter when she was out on her bike. And now that was nice to say that she kind of, you know.

Wendy (01:02:13.559)
Yes.

Kelli (01:02:14.522)
Yeah, she got her to smile and laugh, which is not easy.

Lori (01:02:16.316)
She got her a smile now and she confided in her and said she'd crashed on the thing. So that was nice.

Kelli (01:02:23.132)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (01:02:26.53)
That was nice. And Emily arranged for them to go fly fishing with all the kids and to watch them all walking out dressed up in their waiters. my God, it so cute. But it was an absolute shit show.

Lori (01:02:36.124)
was cute.

Kelli (01:02:37.692)
So funny.

Lori (01:02:38.746)
Yeah, I knew that was going to be a disaster. Fly fishing is a very quiet, zen type of sport. that was not, there was no zen there at all.

Wendy (01:02:50.699)
No.

Wendy (01:02:55.07)
I was the Georgina of that group. Georgina doesn't want to fish, Georgina's hungry. That's why Bill doesn't bring me places unless I can have everything that I need because otherwise I'm there complaining just like Georgina.

Lori (01:03:02.011)
Okay.

Kelli (01:03:11.684)
Yeah. Yeah. But it was good that Emily realized, like, she needs to do more things that Shane likes to do.

Lori (01:03:20.465)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:03:20.47)
Yes. What does Shane like to do? I don't even know.

Kelli (01:03:21.69)
Yeah, I don't know, but hopefully he speaks up and tells her so they can go to it.

Lori (01:03:25.436)
You'll to figure it out.

Yeah.

Wendy (01:03:28.877)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:03:33.334)
Emily said she had fun with the family and it ignited something in her heart to have more fun moments with her kids. And I think that, you know what, sometimes, it's, you know, our kids are older, but it is so important to spend time with them while they are here, right? Because they're not always going to be here.

Kelli (01:03:49.211)
Yeah.

Lori (01:03:51.197)
Mm-hmm. But, you know, I can feel firmly because when you have a teenage female that's in the headspace that her daughter's in, is some wicked, wicked, wicked shit. So I can see where that, you know, when you have a kid who's got a, is like that, that's,

Kelli (01:04:10.94)
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Lori (01:04:20.314)
difficult and it causes so much chaos in the home.

Wendy (01:04:24.429)
Yeah.

Emily leaves Eric with a dustpan. I didn't understand that, but okay. And she gets home and the boys come running and they hug her. I don't know if you noticed, but Annabelle only gave her a side hug.

Lori (01:04:42.121)
yeah. yeah. Yep. She was, yeah, I think Emily needed.

Wendy (01:04:44.13)
Did you notice that?

Kelli (01:04:45.724)
Yeah, she didn't remember in the beginning she didn't even want to get up and give her a hug goodbye.

Lori (01:04:49.8)
Mm-hmm. I think she would need like a good, she needs like a month in Africa and then she'll miss her mother.

Wendy (01:04:50.144)
I know. I know.

Kelli (01:04:58.14)
She needs a month somewhere.

Lori (01:04:59.708)
They're definitely in months somewhere. Third world.

Wendy (01:05:05.656)
Callie's excited to meet her, of course. Shane takes the kids so that they can go sit down and talk.

Emily asked how Annabelle was and she tells her she was standoffish. I wanted her to warm up to me in her own time. Like you said, she had that one moment with her when she was on the bike, she really didn't. It wasn't enough time. There just wasn't enough time for that to happen.

Lori (01:05:34.532)
Right, right, right. Well, and know, like, Electra really didn't warm up to her wife's swap mom either, because they're that age. They're that age, you know, and girls can be tough. Girls can be very...

Kelli (01:05:40.518)
Right.

Wendy (01:05:40.779)
No.

Kelli (01:05:43.002)
now or Antonia.

Wendy (01:05:50.166)
Yeah, because honestly, the boys did kind of, I thought in all these circumstances, the boys were way better. And as a mom of three boys, that's all I know, you know?

Lori (01:05:54.469)
Mm-hmm. Yep, the boys. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (01:06:02.108)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (01:06:02.19)
Right. No, girls can be very... They can bitch out, man. They can be very tough and very judgmental and not... I don't know. They're just a different animal.

Kelli (01:06:09.276)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:06:21.016)
She tells Emily that when we switched the rules, we ate together as a family at the same time. And Emily said that she loved that they did that because they don't do that. I'm surprised that they don't do that, but.

Kelli (01:06:32.572)
Well, I'm surprised with their ages, but you know, we've had this conversation, like once your kids start sports or any extracurricular activity doesn't even have to be sports. It's very difficult to all sit down. But with her kids' ages, but I think Annabelle cheers and I don't know what the boys are into. You know, it's tough. It's tough.

Wendy (01:06:43.86)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (01:06:49.261)
Yes.

Wendy (01:06:57.678)
She also, you know, she admits that she goes in her room and watches TV. Callie said one of her rules change was to have her come sit on the couch with us to know that she's wanted. And again, like that's something I think that Emily's gonna try and do. I think she's gonna try and, you know, kind of force her to.

Lori (01:07:20.784)
Well, they said that they went on a trip together to Europe. So, and I think that's the best thing that she could have, they could have done together. The best.

Kelli (01:07:24.091)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:07:24.588)
Yes.

Wendy (01:07:28.256)
Yes. I agree.

Kelli (01:07:29.734)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So Emily.

Lori (01:07:33.882)
Because that's the only way that you can ever, you have to like break out of the mold of what you got going on. That's the only way to stop that vicious cycle that they were in.

Wendy (01:07:48.045)
Yeah.

Emily said that I felt like he was sad, meaning Eric, and then Callie starts crying.

Lori (01:08:00.197)
And didn't she didn't she say like she didn't want to talk about it all? So that was another.

Wendy (01:08:00.503)
Emily said I think.

Kelli (01:08:06.236)
She said, are things I don't want to talk about right now.

Lori (01:08:10.042)
That was another thing that made me think, hmm.

Wendy (01:08:10.177)
Yes.

Kelli (01:08:12.57)
and she doesn't know how to fix it in herself to be a better wife to him. So it could be he stepped out or it could be she stepped out. Could be that neither of them stepped out and it's something totally different. But that sounds like it could be on her. Not necessarily that she's blaming him for something.

Wendy (01:08:13.271)
Yes.

Lori (01:08:21.156)
or it be she stepped out.

Lori (01:08:28.111)
Right.

Lori (01:08:32.709)
Right.

But there's definitely something else going on.

Kelli (01:08:38.798)
or there's not and she just wants us to think that so there's piqued interest.

Wendy (01:08:39.374)
I women like to take the blame when it's not even on them also. maybe she's just putting it on herself and it really isn't for her to fix. It's not for her to fix. I think women tend to do that.

Lori (01:08:45.872)
This is true. This is true. This is true.

Kelli (01:08:52.518)
She doesn't strike me as the type to put it on herself.

Lori (01:08:55.164)
This is Kelly Don't Like Her. So that's it when it's.

Wendy (01:08:56.91)
I knew she was really, really makes up her mind.

Kelli (01:08:57.09)
I know, she doesn't strike me as the type to be like, what did I do to make him do that? Yeah, I don't know what it is. You know, I get a feeling though, it's open. I know, I know, something.

Lori (01:09:03.804)
Kelly's, Kelly's down the avenue.

The third eye is telling her.

Wendy (01:09:15.81)
Well, Emily says, I think if you just gave him a hug when he came home from work, like maybe start with that. And she said, I really struggle to show the love I have for my husband.

Kelli (01:09:28.774)
Yeah, she struggles showing affection.

Wendy (01:09:29.43)
I think... Yeah.

Lori (01:09:31.985)
You know, it could be things that we talked about and it could be quite frankly, something as simple as they have just drifted apart. That she, you know, sometimes that happens. You just get so far apart. You're still existing together. It's not like she doesn't love him. It's not like he doesn't love her. But sometimes you just, you know, like they, you know, and something like that, like you got it.

Kelli (01:09:40.124)
That's right.

Lori (01:09:59.579)
You got to spend time with each other. That's the only way you're going to reconnect.

Kelli (01:10:02.588)
That's the only way. Yep, it's the only way.

Wendy (01:10:04.812)
Right. Well, Emily tells her she's going to have to go to lunch with Eric at least once a week. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Lori (01:10:11.216)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (01:10:13.028)
I don't think so either.

Wendy (01:10:16.352)
And then we see one month later, Emily lightened Shane's load with carpool duty for one week until Shane took over.

Kelli (01:10:22.62)
It was so funny because they're like, yeah, that's not how dad does it. It was like the movie Mr. Mom with Michael Keaton. Remember that?

Wendy (01:10:29.131)
Yeah.

Lori (01:10:33.348)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:10:37.042)
And then Emily and Annabelle took a trip to Paris for mother-daughter bonding. Emily was on virtual reality. saw that the other day. And she said this wife swap came up a few days after she got back from her Amsterdam trip. So, yes. like she just got home and then like three days later she left to do the wife swap.

Kelli (01:10:55.74)
My god.

Wendy (01:11:05.078)
and she was just in Amsterdam, which we just finished watching on the OC. So it was a lot, there was a lot going on.

Kelli (01:11:09.348)
Right. Right.

Lori (01:11:11.172)
Would you know all this? Yeah, but you know all this chatter about her, you know, she should be really focusing on her son. You know, if it is the case that it's her and her daughter brawling, it's probably a good thing that she's not there. And maybe it's the opposite of what people think. you really should be home spending time with your son and getting that straightened out, but maybe the time away.

Kelli (01:11:27.6)
For sure.

sure.

Wendy (01:11:30.839)
Right.

Lori (01:11:39.726)
And then her going away with just her daughter is what the doctor ordered kind of a thing. You know what I mean? Like maybe that's the deal with that.

Wendy (01:11:46.645)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (01:11:51.352)
The virtual reality guys also asked her what she thought about Callie dragging her home looking like the pottery barn. And she's like, no, I get it. Like, we've been remodeling it. You know, she didn't care. She wasn't insulted by it. didn't care less. She didn't care.

Lori (01:12:02.532)
No, she didn't give a shit. That was great.

Kelli (01:12:04.044)
What does she care what some chick from Jersey thinks about her house? Right.

Lori (01:12:07.576)
Right, yeah. That was crap. Right.

Wendy (01:12:07.852)
Yeah, she didn't care. She didn't take it personally. She didn't care.

So yeah, I have to agree. I didn't like this episode as much as I liked the other two.

Lori (01:12:17.264)
Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

Kelli (01:12:19.462)
I think it was the people.

Wendy (01:12:23.308)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (01:12:24.572)
It was that chick from Jersey messing it up.

Kelli (01:12:27.484)
telling you, she was not- Yes, I know.

Wendy (01:12:28.602)
my gosh, have we been on for over an hour? Look what time it is. All right. No, wants to listen to us this long.

Lori (01:12:29.18)
god, yeah, that's no good. All right. Goodbye

Kelli (01:12:36.962)
Nobody wants to listen to us for that long, not even us. Right.

Lori (01:12:37.673)
No, was listed. Not even us, no.

Wendy (01:12:40.726)
No. All right. Well, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us a five star review. Bye.

Kelli (01:12:46.758)
Bye.

Lori (01:12:47.548)
Bye.