RHOSLC Teased Roots and Shaky Relationships

Kelli (00:01.442)
Hi, welcome to Be One Whenever, this is Kelly.

Lori (00:03.809)
And I'm Lori.

Kelli (00:05.39)
We are recapping Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season six, episode 10, The Higher the Hair, The Closer to God. Wendy is not with us tonight. Yeah, it's a good name. I mean, we said this in my family growing up, especially because we grew up in the 80s and we had high hair. So I knew what this meant. Wendy's not with us. She had a work commitment. But before we get into the episode, I do just want to say,

Lori (00:14.376)
I like that name.

Lori (00:24.387)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (00:35.086)
I think we all need to say a prayer for Mary's son Robert Jr. because I did read that he was arrested again. Something to do with the estranged wife, but either way, whatever it was, let's just pray for him because he's obviously struggling with something. And when someone is struggling the way he's a struggling that affects the entire family as we know. So let's just say a prayer for him. Yeah. That's all.

Lori (00:40.611)
Yes, poor thing. His ex.

Lori (00:50.585)
Yeah.

Lori (00:57.229)
Yes, yes.

Lori (01:01.399)
Most definitely.

Kelli (01:06.328)
So we start out with Heather going to Whitney's house and the first thing she says when she walks in is it smells like shit in here.

Lori (01:15.427)
Broccoli is stanky.

Kelli (01:17.48)
I've actually stopped buying and cooking broccoli for that reason. mean, yeah, we used to eat broccoli all the time in my house. Honestly, my stomach started getting a little ick over it too, but I'm...

Lori (01:22.169)
Cause it stinks. It stinks.

Lori (01:30.711)
Yeah. Yeah. It can bother your stomach. It does stink, but I don't know. There you go.

Kelli (01:34.4)
Yeah, I don't regret my decision for cutting broccoli out of my life. Because we eat a lot of greens in this house, so eliminating one from our diet wasn't detrimental. Yeah.

Lori (01:44.973)
Wasn't that bad. Yeah. Yeah. So they're having a potluck to cheer up Brittany.

Kelli (01:52.31)
Yeah.

Lori (01:54.049)
Whoever thought we'd see that?

Kelli (01:56.428)
Well, I mean, talk about giving Britney a moment.

Lori (02:00.149)
yeah, she was all over that like white on rice. It's all about me.

Kelli (02:02.47)
she was all over it. But I do love, mean, first of all, Angie brought Greek rice. I love Greek rice. I love Greek food in general. Greek rice is one of my faves, but I love that she wanted to recreate the high body count hair. So good.

Lori (02:12.702)
me too. Me too. Yes, yes.

Lori (02:20.793)
And did you see how Mary was like, not me, you're not touching my hair. Yeah. And I like how they were like, all like, so they have this potluck dinner and they invite Brittany over and Whitney's texting her and telling her, know, just come in. Cause all the girls are hiding behind the island and they were going to surprise her with their high body count hair.

Kelli (02:27.318)
I did. I did.

Lori (02:48.117)
And they're telling Mary, you know, get down, she's coming. And Mary's like too busy stuff in her face to even get behind the counter, which I thought was great. Cause that would be me. I'd be like, no, wait, I'm busy. There's food. Yeah.

Kelli (02:53.358)
You

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Just let me finish this bite. I didn't realize it was a surprise until Brittany got there. So it was cute. mean, Bronwyn brought a mobile Build-A-Bear. I never saw one of those before.

Lori (03:15.009)
No, that's cute. That's really cute for a kids party though. So cute that you don't have to drag all them kids to the mall and meet there and blah, blah, blah. But that'd be cute.

Kelli (03:17.752)
For sure.

Kelli (03:23.33)
You know, one year when Tess was little, Build-A-Bear was a huge thing, right? I couldn't afford to bring 10 kids to Build-A-Bear. But Costco had a kit where you made your own Build-A-Bear. So I bought like 10 of the kits and invited her friends over and set the table up to do this. So some of the moms stayed and tried to help. It was so time consuming. The girls got bored.

Lori (03:29.473)
No!

Lori (03:36.547)
Cool.

Kelli (03:50.742)
And the moms, us moms were like sitting there finishing.

Lori (03:54.509)
finishing the stupid stuff down.

Kelli (03:56.364)
This would have been a much better idea, but again, I couldn't afford to bring them to Build-A-Bear, nevermind have a mobile Build-A-Bear. Yeah. And they all left messages in their stuffed animals except Mary.

Lori (04:02.007)
Right.

Lori (04:09.137)
Mary, she's so funny. And Angie, she's got to go with the Greek thing. Said, in Greek, you have beautiful hair. Yes. I like how the producers asked Mary if she was finally warming up to Britney and she's like, no. But she did come to the party, so she can't not like her that much because one thing's for certain, if Mary doesn't want to do something, Mary doesn't do it.

Kelli (04:15.862)
Yes, yes. Whatever she said sounded beautiful.

Kelli (04:33.282)
Well, sh-

Kelli (04:38.048)
Agreed, agreed. But when she said, yeah, when she said, I'm being cordial because what Meredith did was not okay, I thought that spoke volumes. mean, honestly, Mary to me is the most honest amongst, like when it comes to this group of women, I know there are like major allegations out there about her church.

Lori (04:39.637)
Same thing with myself.

Lori (04:48.118)
Lori (04:55.651)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (05:03.533)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:05.513)
Listen, that, I'm not even commenting on that, because I don't want to.

Lori (05:10.569)
Well, who knows until it's investigated, you know, who knows.

Kelli (05:13.4)
Well, that's the thing. And people could say that about any church that it's a cult, any religion. So whatever, that is what it is. But when it comes to this group, I feel like Mary will call out bad behavior, even if it's somebody she's friends with. She's not gonna be blindly loyal to anybody. Yeah.

Lori (05:17.313)
Absolutely.

Lori (05:29.154)
Almost definitely.

Lori (05:33.13)
No, no, no.

Kelli (05:37.262)
Bronwyn said that Meredith called her and said, I have no idea what they are talking about.

I and Lisa did nothing to Brittany.

Lori (05:47.873)
Right. That she never spoke directly to Brittany.

Kelli (05:52.93)
Would she say she had headphones on? She shouldn't have been eavesdropping?

Lori (05:56.353)
Yeah, she shouldn't have been eavesdropping on my conversation. Okay. So you sit right behind somebody and talk shit about them and, then.

Kelli (05:59.285)
I mean, that's crazy.

Kelli (06:06.19)
they're not supposed to react. quite honestly, it doesn't sound like Brittany did react. It sounds like Meredith got caught saying shit, although it does sound like she was being like a crazy person. It really does sound like she was flying off the handle.

Lori (06:10.338)
Right.

Lori (06:16.845)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:22.51)
So guess then Heather like kind of recaps her conversation with Lisa and Said that Lisa said she's not going to be responsible for what happened

Lori (06:28.238)
Yeah.

Lori (06:32.801)
Yeah, she said she thought Lisa was out of her mind.

Kelli (06:36.812)
Yeah, and then she says that she thinks Lisa is trying to force her to believe her version of what happened. I mean, I just feel like Heather's giving herself a little more credit right now. Like, I don't think Lisa's trying to force you to do anything. She's gonna deny it, and she's not gonna take any accountability. I don't think she gives a fuck if you believe her or not though, Heather. Like, I don't think you're important enough in Lisa's life for her to care if you believe her. Yeah.

Lori (06:52.185)
Right, because that's just how she is. Yep.

Right, right.

Lori (07:03.513)
Absolutely. And then Whitney says that Bronwyn is not wearing her wedding ring. And then she tells the girls that Todd has moved out for a few days following the incident on the plane where he got busted looking at pictures. And she says that she told them she wanted some time. You know, I found it odd that she says that

Kelli (07:15.341)
Yeah.

Lori (07:30.261)
The embarrassment, the secrecy and the humiliation are the biggest problem for her, not the act itself. I was like...

Kelli (07:41.4)
Well, I think that first of all, she said Todd was very defensive when she approached him, when she called him out. So to me, when somebody is that defensive, it screams guilt.

Lori (07:42.829)
Okay.

Lori (07:54.061)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:55.851)
but I agree with you. I think that this has gone on before in her marriage and they've dealt with it. but I think she likes the appearance that everything's perfect. That's more important to her than whether or not he was looking at some chick or talking to some chick.

Lori (08:14.915)
Well, this is the deal though. Sit in your hotel room. Look at all the porn you want. Don't do it in a public place when your wife is a public figure. that's the thing. Like why are you doing it in public where people can see you doing things? Like...

Kelli (08:22.189)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:39.136)
I think when people do this and get away with it for so long or it's the norm in their life, they forget where they are. They forget if anybody's watching, they just do it because they've done it for this long. He's not thinking like my wife is a real housewife of Salt Lake City and somebody could be behind me like recording this because they care that much.

Lori (08:53.729)
Right. They've done it for so long. Maybe.

Lori (09:03.351)
Right. I guess not. I guess not. Because he's doing it.

Kelli (09:06.208)
Right? Yeah, but that was interesting that she's that it's the humiliation that and the embarrassment.

Lori (09:13.881)
Yeah, not the act. It's yeah, not the act itself. I thought that's a little telling Bronwyn.

Kelli (09:20.428)
I feel like it's happened before, maybe that's why. You know, I mean...

Lori (09:23.148)
Maybe.

Kelli (09:27.434)
He obviously doesn't have good judgment, you know, if he's doing that to her, but he's married to her and he cares about her. So, you know, maybe she looks at it like a slip up.

but now she's in the public eye and everybody's gonna know about his slip ups. So now she has to have the conversation with him. I'll tell you what, this episode had two conversations in it that where I was like, I feel like this is real. The Lisa and John conversation and the Brahman and Todd, yeah. Which is why people are saying that this is the best show on Bravo right now. Because we're seeing.

Lori (09:45.251)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (09:54.765)
Lisa and John and Whit and Robin and Todd, yeah.

Lori (10:03.885)
Yeah. It was like the couples episode because it was Brittany and Jared, and John. Just... No.

Kelli (10:09.644)
Mm-hmm. God. There was nothing real about that. Nothing real about that conversation.

Lori (10:15.513)
No. And it wasn't even, it made no fucking sense is what it made. And we'll get to it, but Bronwyn and Todd's conversation made no fucking sense either. Like there was no, nothing was resolved. was like, fucking why are you even talking? Because it's like a word salad. Why are you even talking? Because it was nothing. It was nothing.

Kelli (10:25.022)
That's.

Kelli (10:35.136)
I totally agree with you. think that's why I really think that this has happened before and he got caught and

Lori (10:42.571)
And it's just a round and round circle jerk kind of, yeah. So then we see Mary at her church and it's been in the family for 60 years. And this is her first renovation and it took two years. Now, did you catch how Robert said he, when he was in Malibu?

Kelli (11:01.261)
Yes.

Lori (11:02.957)
So it me think of those commercials.

Kelli (11:05.058)
Yes, yes. So he must have been at a treatment center. Yeah. And he already knew who his higher power was while he was there.

Lori (11:09.879)
Yeah, somewhere in Malibu, yeah.

Lori (11:17.293)
Well, that's something at least, that's something at least that at least he's got, at least he's got some faith and at least, because like he was saying that a lot of people there that he was with were really struggling to find that. So good for him that at least he had that.

Kelli (11:21.014)
Absolutely.

Kelli (11:38.647)
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter what or who you believe in as long as you believe in something, you know, it's, it's helpful to believe in something. I always thought, you know, but he's excited for the church to reopen and Mary is inviting, inviting the ladies to her church. All right. So then we see Lisa and John go to the bakery.

Lori (11:49.24)
Yes.

Lori (12:00.375)
yeah.

Lori (12:08.729)
So basically, really quick in getting into the conversation, she tells him he's a douchebag and he annoys her when he gives some kind of parental advice or has anything to do with the parental conversation. I was just like, okay.

Kelli (12:25.87)
Well, I think

Kelli (12:29.612)
I think she was trying to give parental advice to Henry and John was like, well, maybe if you said it like this, and she did not like that. And she said, I was telling Henry my thoughts and John said, were you telling him your thoughts or were you telling him how to think?

Lori (12:47.639)
How to think exactly. Yeah. I think this is, I think this is a deal where I think he has probably put up with her for a long time and the boys were small and the businesses were going and doing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, they just had that son leave. And I think once that other son left and it was just the three of them.

Kelli (12:50.304)
I was like, damn.

Kelli (12:57.932)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:16.035)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (13:17.213)
And I think maybe John, cause you know how sometimes when the kids are smaller, fathers don't have that much input, but maybe as you know, now they're one kid down and maybe John's getting to spend a little more time with his, with Henry and they probably have more, you know, a better relationship. The other son's got, you know I mean? Like all that and

Kelli (13:27.884)
Right.

Kelli (13:34.968)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:42.626)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (13:44.518)
She just, I think she's a control freak.

Kelli (13:47.351)
I think she's a control freak. I think you're right. I think she wants to make the rules and just have everybody follow them. And when that doesn't happen, she's not a big fan of.

Lori (13:59.369)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, she says she feels invisible. But, you know, maybe John's finally starting to speak up and she doesn't like it. You know? You know, well...

Kelli (14:07.81)
I think that's what's happening. Yeah, I mean, I understand her saying she felt that John was undermining her and then the son was like, yeah, you shouldn't say it like that. Cause you know, that happens. That happens when one parent is like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the kids are like, yeah. know, but listen, this is what happens.

Lori (14:23.609)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (14:29.347)
But this is a thing. You have to listen to the words that she says. Now, even that word, undermining, there's nobody in charge of the parenting. You're co-parenting. So undermining should not even be a word, but you can tell she uses that word because that's the headspace she's coming from. That's what she thinks. She thinks, you know.

Kelli (14:43.447)
Right.

Kelli (14:54.316)
Right. If you don't agree with me.

Lori (14:58.573)
Right! But you know what? She really should have had a girl. Can you imagine her with like, Elektra?

Kelli (15:05.804)
Yeah. Although she would probably be the same too much like Angie is and the daughter would push her away. Not that Alexa is pushing her away, but you know what I mean.

Lori (15:15.051)
Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying, can you imagine her with a girl?

Kelli (15:18.178)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (15:21.153)
And she says that she's surrounded by a lot of girls that are committed to not seeing her and not understanding her and not hearing her. What is it exactly that you want them to understand, Lisa? Because that's my question for you. What is it?

Kelli (15:35.79)
Well, the thing is, is like, you're never trying to explain anything because you're never admitting you've done anything wrong. You just deny, deny, deny. That's all you do.

Lori (15:43.297)
Right. And like, and like her husband said to her, you always think that what's in your head is right. So I'm sure she does the same MO with everybody.

Kelli (15:49.677)
Right.

Kelli (15:54.573)
Yeah, she's not, you know, trying to explain why she did something because she's never admitting that she did something. So what are they listening to? You deny?

Lori (16:04.419)
Her eye is still looking weird. You saw it.

Kelli (16:06.126)
I know. I did say it. I did say it. I don't know if it was the makeup. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to say it. I'll say it off camera.

Lori (16:09.881)
What's going on? All right, there's something. I don't know, something was off.

Lori (16:18.457)
I'm just saying, you know, and I'm only bringing it up because we did see it where her eye makeup was messed up, but then I was looking today and I was like, oh, no, what's up with her

Kelli (16:28.844)
Yeah. So John says he probably doesn't listen to her 90 % of the time and then laughs when she says she's a great listener and then he pretends to be Lisa and pulls out a cell phone.

Lori (16:38.557)
That was great when he chuckled. That was great when he chuckled like that.

Kelli (16:43.766)
Yeah, yeah, that was a-

Lori (16:47.159)
Yeah, John says, I feel like you want me on your page and that's it. And if we're not on the same page, it's because I'm not on your page. And he says, you don't see it. And she doesn't. She doesn't. And she had absolutely nothing to say when he said that. She just kind of sat there blinking.

Kelli (16:58.958)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:03.48)
Yeah.

Yeah, he said he comes to her with ideas and she shuts him down. And, you know, he's like, I'm only telling you how I feel. And I feel like the only thing we have to talk about is business. And there's really nothing else to talk about.

Lori (17:19.689)
Ouch. That was an ouch. For me, that would have been like an ouch. So, you know, when you go back to the confessional and the producers ask her, you know, what did you feel like when he said that to you? And she said, it hurts my feelings. Not like, shit, something's got to change. Like, shit, there's something really wrong. Like, it makes me really worried about where my mar-

Kelli (17:23.16)
That wasn't out.

Kelli (17:38.86)
Yeah.

Lori (17:49.067)
It hurts my feelings. Cause it's all about you.

Kelli (17:51.727)
I think that her marriage has been like that for a long time. like you said, like I think John's at the point where he's like, all right, you know what, enough. Like I'm in this relationship too and she doesn't like it. Listen, I hope they get through this. I mean, I don't know how they feel about counseling. I don't know if the Mormon church is into that, cause they are Mormon, but I hope they make it. don't particularly like Lisa this season.

Lori (18:02.584)
Right.

Lori (18:15.223)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:20.017)
I don't I don't like anybody's marriage to fail No, no, no, no, no, you got kids

Kelli (18:21.122)
but I don't ever want to see a marriage break up, exactly. But I do think that this was a very real conversation. didn't think there was anything fake or phony about this.

Lori (18:34.707)
Mm-hmm. And you know why I think it's real? Because I think if it were something that were produced and if Lisa knew what he was going to say, she would shut that shit down. Shut that shit down. And he probably, it probably actually gets to say it because he's on camera.

Kelli (18:47.07)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (18:56.876)
And you know, think about what these women are saying about her, whether it's true or not, because we don't know. I mean, it could very well be true. But these women are saying that she's using some wealthy man's credit card. Right? There was another season where Whitney and Heather were accusing her of, I don't know if they necessarily came out and said she was having an affair, but something about the Utah jazz tickets or something. Like these women are insinuating that she's

Lori (19:09.817)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:27.49)
doing something for money with a wealthy man. So this could also be like in the back of his head, like even if he never thought she was, he's like, all right, it's like the third fucking season this is coming up. Like, is this going on?

Lori (19:37.465)
Well, listen, he's...

Right. And they're in the middle of those big lawsuits that have to do with someone else's money that she's using. So.

Kelli (19:46.903)
with that. Exactly. So he could just be getting worn down. And you know what? The best of marriages could get worn down after so many accusations, accusations, accusations. But she says that he doesn't even hug her as much. And he says, yeah, you're right.

Lori (20:01.059)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:10.72)
So, you know, hopefully, hopefully this is, you know, their rock bottom and they can bounce back from here. Let's hope so.

Lori (20:18.541)
Yes, certainly.

Kelli (20:20.768)
And then we come to the most performative couple scene of the evening, and that's Brittany and the Osmond guy. What's his name, Jared? He hugged her so long, like it was so cringy, right out the gate.

Lori (20:24.665)
Ugh.

written in Jaren. Jared. He's just an ass.

Lori (20:37.625)
He's just an ass.

Kelli (20:39.182)
Yeah.

Lori (20:42.657)
And what's up with him with, you know, he's just one of those guys who just, you can just tell he's like manipulative. He's very manipulative with his words and I'm just not digging him at all.

Kelli (20:57.356)
No, he's horrible, he's a horrible human being. She says that they're still on a break and it meant a lot to her that he reached out. But we all just, we know he just wants to be on camera. So.

Lori (21:07.54)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:11.195)
And he says that Justin told him that Brittany was flirting with all the guys on the ship. What? Where's your bro code, Justin?

Lori (21:20.683)
Yeah, right? I was thinking the same thing. Right?

Kelli (21:22.094)
Like, what the fuck? Cause Whitney probably called him and was like, damn, Britney is all over this ship. And then Justin runs and tells this guy.

Lori (21:28.056)
Right.

Lori (21:31.703)
Yeah, that was not cool, Justin. No. You're lucky your wife told you anything about a girl's trip. It's a girl's trip.

Kelli (21:39.212)
Right.

I wouldn't tell you anything ever again now, Justin. You lost that privilege.

Kelli (21:50.863)
I thought it was funny when she said that they were on a break. I'm like, is this Ross and Rachel?

Lori (22:02.137)
It's just a conversation, that conversation and the conversation between Todd and Bronwyn. Nobody said anything. It was a waste of my TV time. Like, nobody said shit.

Kelli (22:18.818)
Well, listen, this guy is the ultimate fuck boy at 54 years old. He tells her he's looking for someone stable and she's not. He can't commit. He asks her about the 30 days away from him and then she goes off on a dramatic exit.

and then he calls her back and she comes back and then she asks him are you my boyfriend and he says you are so confusing she just came out and asked you are you my boyfriend there's nothing confusing about that

Lori (22:53.603)
See, that's what I'm saying. Right. There's nothing confusing about that.

Lori (23:02.339)
telling you. It's a whole big, it's a mess. Like I said, a waste of my TV time. I got, I got no information from either conversation.

Kelli (23:02.488)
But to me it was all a big act, like they had lines and scene and take three.

Yes, these two for sure are.

I wonder if he knew someone in production on this show and he got her on the show and that's why. Like this is, I personally don't think that they're dating. I don't think that they have anything to do with each other. I think that she's on the show and he pretends to be her love interest quite honestly. Yeah.

Lori (23:26.051)
Who knows?

Lori (23:36.217)
Could be. Could be.

Lori (23:43.289)
So Bronwyn and Todd, like I said, have this conversation that amounts to a whole lot of nothing.

Brian Wood makes the mistake of telling him that she had a discussion with Whitney. Look, talk to other women about all kinds of shit. You don't tell your husband. You don't tell your husband. You don't need to know. You don't need to know.

Kelli (24:07.276)
And the thing is, listen, I don't blame him for him not wanting his sex life or his interest being on TV. If she just told Whitney, it would be one thing. Show Whitney on TV. I mean, and I don't blame the guy for not being happy about that.

Lori (24:14.537)
of course not. Being blasted.

Lori (24:22.589)
Absolutely.

Lori (24:26.389)
No, no, no, no, but I'm just saying Brian one says you don't just, you don't tell them.

Kelli (24:32.13)
Yeah, right. But the thing is, like, didn't, I mean, he wasn't happy about it, but he wasn't like so openly overreactive either. I really think this guy's just a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater, and she's put up with it long enough. And this is like, like what Wendy was saying last week. Like, so when Real Housewives of Beverly Hills started, Camille Grammer, Kelsey Grammer's wife was on it.

Lori (24:44.185)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:01.27)
And then I think in the first season, we find out that he's having an affair with her on her with somebody in New York. And they're saying that this is like very reminiscent of that. Like he probably just got, you know, wanted her to be busy.

Lori (25:11.948)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:16.076)
Right, maybe.

Kelli (25:23.938)
But he does say they've been together for 11 years. There's been a lot of ups and downs, but they've consistently been able to talk through it. This time they didn't. He admits he was wrong. He's very happy in the relationship with her the way it is. So he's not looking to add any spice by adding somebody or whatever.

Lori (25:47.129)
But he still wants to do whatever he wants to do. You see? it just went nowhere. It did go nowhere. And now we see Mary at her church. Is that her husband?

Kelli (25:49.89)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:54.996)
It did go nowhere.

Kelli (26:02.86)
No, no, no. Her husband has not been on it since season one. Once it got out that she was married to her grandmother's husband after that first season, that man, I don't think has ever filmed again. But keep in mind, and I'm not trying to defend anything, but well, there's nothing to defend because there's nothing wrong with it. Her grandmother was 20 years older than this gentleman. He's 20 years older than Mary.

Lori (26:12.089)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (26:27.509)
Right, right, right.

Lori (26:31.959)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (26:31.98)
You know what I mean? We know people who are with people who are 20 years older than them. Is it a little fucked up that he was married to her grandmother? For sure. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying the age difference isn't major. He's not her grandfather. He's not her grandfather. He was married to her grandmother. And it was her grandmother's wishes that she married him. I guess, you know, the grandmother was too old to have children with him.

Lori (26:35.554)
Yes.

Lori (26:39.705)
For sure, right.

Right.

And he's not really her grandfather. He's not her grandfather.

Kelli (27:01.036)
So it was her grandmother's wish that Mary step into her role as the first lady of the church, you know, and then they had Robert Jr. So, but yeah, how she was locked out. I don't know who Lenny is, but he opened the door and he could not get out of there quick enough. Right? She's like, Lenny, Lenny? He was like, bing.

Lori (27:18.861)
Yeah. okay.

Lori (27:26.731)
Mm-hmm. It's so sad that Mary said that Robert was high and he couldn't come.

Kelli (27:32.568)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (27:35.329)
It's hard for her, you know? It's a big day for her.

Lori (27:42.189)
but that's addiction.

Kelli (27:42.7)
Yeah, I just, pray for him, man, because, you know, we've been through it a couple of times.

Lori (27:45.859)
Mm-hmm. Me too. It's horrible.

Kelli (27:52.247)
It's fucking awful. There's no other words. It's fucking awful. And it's fucking awful for the whole family.

Lori (27:53.805)
Yes,

Lori (27:59.171)
Family, yes, most definitely.

Kelli (28:01.666)
But of course, mostly the person who is having the issues.

Lori (28:07.667)
Mm-hmm. So then, we see all the girls come to the church and Meredith and Lisa walk up. Does Meredith own a skirt that's not a mini skirt? I don't think she does.

Kelli (28:19.126)
I don't think she does.

But she's got that banging body, so you know. But you're going to church. You're going to church. Yeah. And she's Jewish, so she knows how to dress for temple.

Lori (28:23.897)
Yes, she does, but you're going to church. Come on. Come on.

Yeah. And the best was when Mary was doing her whole sermon and told Lisa, God is going to give her a sound mind.

Lori (28:49.369)
You go Mary! it's great.

Kelli (28:50.178)
Here's hoping.

Kelli (28:54.446)
That was funny. Her church looks very fun.

Lori (28:59.353)
Pentecostal church, yeah. I have some info on it for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have some info on Pentecostal. You've been to a Pentecostal church? Really? I've never been. I've always wanted to go to a Pentecostal church.

Kelli (29:00.77)
Yeah, with the singing.

I've been, I've been with different friends. yeah, with different friends, yes.

Kelli (29:12.46)
Yeah, yeah. And I went when I was young, my friend and her family were part of it. And her mom was very much into it. Her mom was so into it that they had a bird and the bird first thing in the morning would start, Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you. That's how you would wake up. But we would go to her church and we would go to the Sunday school, you know, where the kids go.

Lori (29:24.014)
Really?

Lori (29:36.909)
That's

Lori (29:42.2)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:43.311)
and then you would go upstairs and be with the rest of, know, rest of your family. It was like a three, four hour morning, but it was fun. It was a lot of fun. Then I'd bring her to my church and it was like 45 minutes at St. Dom's in and out. She was like, this is great.

Lori (29:50.595)
Right.

Lori (29:58.466)
Right. This is great. So, okay. So what is Lisa talking about? She's in her, she's in her confessional towards the end of the episode. And she's talking about how, you know, how everybody can get a message from God and blah, blah, blah. And then she says, except for the church of Satan. And then she says,

Kelli (30:07.608)
Which time?

Kelli (30:23.448)
my god.

Lori (30:26.745)
But when the Church of St. Nasser to kill they give it to them. We don't discriminate. I'm like, what are you talking about?

Kelli (30:31.628)
We do not discriminate. You can find, yeah, she says, you can find peace in all churches except the Church of St. Anne, but we still do donate tequila to them if they ask because we don't discriminate.

Lori (30:46.401)
Churches are asking you for to kill, like, I don't understand. I don't understand what was going on. I'm like, what the fuck are you even talking about? I don't know. was very, I was very confused.

Kelli (30:48.866)
churches of Satan. Yeah.

Kelli (30:54.838)
I I guess... I didn't even know there were churches of Satan.

Lori (31:00.169)
yes. yes, But I.

Kelli (31:01.294)
How funny was it when Whitney was...

Lori (31:07.065)
Why are the churches getting the tequila? That's what I'm like.

Kelli (31:10.338)
Well, the churches of Satan are asking for donations and they're giving them to them. I guess it's a write-off.

Lori (31:17.913)
I don't know. I'm just going to listen. We're sweating in church. But what was with... Yeah. What was at the end, they're all huddled in a circle, Mary's finishing up her prayer, and then she starts just like catarolling screaming. Yes, at the very end. I did.

Kelli (31:18.166)
I know. And Whitney said they were, they were two whores sweating in church. And Lisa's like, I was sweating. I was dying.

Kelli (31:37.942)
Married it?

You watched it on Peacock. I probably, I probably got cut off there. Well, some of those Pentecostal churches, people start speaking in tongues. Was she speaking in tongues?

Lori (31:44.779)
It's the very, very end of the episode and she just starts like this weird screaming.

Right, right, I don't know what she was doing. It was sound like she was yelling. So.

Kelli (31:57.705)
I worked at ETS before I had kids and there was a woman who worked there that would be on the phone with someone. The things people used to get away with at this place, I swear. I never got away with anything. I got caught doing everything. But anyway, this woman would sit there and talk to her church friends and she would speak in tongues. In her cubicle in the middle of the whole department.

Lori (32:22.115)
What?

Kelli (32:22.786)
tried to do my homework one time because I was taking classes at Mercer County College and I got caught by my manager.

Lori (32:26.509)
and he got busted.

my gosh.

Kelli (32:31.392)
Yeah, so maybe that's what it was.

Lori (32:33.753)
Maybe, I don't know. So I went on Mary's website for her church and there's a whole about us section. it's, so the church was founded by her grandmother in 1968, Rosemary Mama Cosby. And then it says in 1961, Dr. Rosemary,

Rosemary Redmond Cosby, I don't know what kind of doctor, left Indianapolis with her four children to go to Salt Lake City because God told her to. She only had bus fare to get to St. Louis, Missouri, but friends drove her to St. Louis and then she got on a bus to Kansas City with the kids. Then she walked with her kids from Kansas City

to Junction City, Kansas. I don't know how far that is. And it was supposedly in January. It was cold. Yeah. So she met up with some woman along the way. She put her and the kids up in a trailer and then somebody else put them up in a house and she received all these offerings and people brought them train tickets to get to Salt Lake. But supposedly she went just like, there just like cold turkey, nothing set up.

Kelli (33:39.01)
Wow. Yeah.

Kelli (34:01.496)
Wow.

Lori (34:01.731)
They were really poor when they got there.

Yeah, I just thought that was very wild. Very wild. So, I don't know.

Kelli (34:11.662)
That's interesting.

Kelli (34:17.986)
I mean, it's a pretty brave thing to do also with kids and on your own. I'm assuming she did not have a husband with her helping out.

Lori (34:24.525)
Well, especially, obviously not, in the 60s as a black woman, sure, I was hugely ballsy, you know? So, but yeah, but I've never been to a Pentecostal service.

Kelli (34:30.808)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (34:40.748)
It's fun.

Lori (34:41.825)
Yeah, so I guess our whole thing is.

down here. Emphasis on the active role of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the believers and like you said this experience is often evidenced by spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy and healing and is seen as an empowerment for ministry similar to the experience of the Apostles on the day of Pentecost.

So guess that's where the name Pentecostal Church comes in. Yeah, so they believe definitely in the Holy Spirit, spiritual gifts.

Kelli (35:17.528)
Yeah.

Lori (35:30.357)
and expressive worship as we saw. But it looks like a whole lot of fun.

Kelli (35:34.646)
Yes, very expressive. Yeah, it does. It was when I went to, so yeah.

Lori (35:41.559)
That's awesome. Yeah. So we'll see and the coming attractions for next week. Trying to remember what I saw.

Lori (35:53.049)
Do you remember? No.

Kelli (35:54.176)
Now, I know they show them getting ready to go to Greece, right? Don't they go to Greece?

Lori (35:58.679)
Yeah, but I don't think that's coming up yet. I forget what it was. Well, it couldn't have been that good of coming attractions if we don't even remember.

Kelli (36:00.78)
Yeah. I forget to. Exactly. But I mean, listen, Salt Lake City is, it's winning. It's winning right now. Potomac was a pretty good episode the other night. You never watched Potomac, right? Yeah, Mia Thornton, she was an old real housewife of Potomac. She was just arrested, allegedly. Yeah.

Lori (36:11.469)
Definitely.

Lori (36:19.673)
Mm-mm.

Lori (36:27.725)
I did see that.

Kelli (36:29.836)
She stole furniture from a furnished home, alleged, who knows. So those girls in Potomac between her and the allegations against Wendy.

Lori (36:35.832)
I don't know.

Lori (36:40.825)
I don't know, these housewives get in trouble, They sure do. So, we'll see what happens next time.

Kelli (36:43.116)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (36:48.367)
Yeah. Yep. Well, thank you for listening and watching. Please subscribe. Five star reviews. Follow. Tell your friends. Bye.

Lori (37:00.355)
Bye.