WeWatchWrestling Issue #644

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Oh, hello there. Welcome, friends and foes, heels and babyfaces, to the spot that you need. The uh-oh. The spot. Spot. spot you have a spot monkey addiction vince averill welcome to the we watch wrestling podcast i'm your wonderful darling red-headed bearded host beyond the matt mccarthy with me always professional wrestling encyclopedia Vince Averill. You wish. You wish I watched wrestling, dude. It's passe, dude. It's definitely.

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It's such a great time to be a professional wrestling fan. What do you think Tanahashi is doing right now? Prove it. Getting his hair cut. He's fucking getting the businessman cut. We haven't seen it yet, right? I didn't miss that. I haven't.

Well, if you haven't, then it hasn't happened yet. He hasn't sent me any pictures from the salon. That's all I'll say. Yeah, that's the big news. Apparently, Tanahashi is going to get a... office do he's a businessman he's and he's also going like this is going to cut down my morning prep by about an hour and a half i just get out of the shower and fucking run a comb through it i'm out the door no doubt sign me up no uh

outside interference no uh you know ropes and all the different little ornate objects tucked in there and i mean i can't even i know i can't even picture it because you never you'll never see him post i woke up like this he didn't do that he never did did he even in the gym even in the gym he's got it looking good right yeah He never let one slip by. I mean... Can you imagine him waking up? Yeah. And it just looks like a fucking...

Like a bird's nest. Like you remember on Sesame street, big bird had that giant bird nest. Yeah. Well, you know, what's funny is, uh, in this week's observer, the, you know, the bio, how is it? Did you read it? I mean, The man didn't die, but it's a nice little rundown, you know? But it's funny how much being stabbed by the woman he broke up with helped his...

his stardom in wrestling. I don't know this story. You don't know about him being stabbed? At first I thought, honest to God, at first I thought you were talking about Meltzer and I was like, wait, I thought it was a banana sundae. No. Tanahashi went to a lady's house that he was dating and broke up with her. Anyway, she came to his house and stabbed him.

yeah stabbed him a couple of few times and um whoa and so then the story became like pro wrestler is stabbed by scorned lover and like he was out of action for a while while he recovered And so when he came back, it kind of just made him a bigger star. And also like, I don't know. maybe sympathetic or whatever it is it just kind of like it just gave him a little bit of a push like having been stabbed a few times by a lady dude i can i can explain the whole thing unbelievable because it's

First of all, how far into his career did this happen? I want to say a couple... I mean, he'd already been, you know, like... wrestling on you know it wasn't like in the dojo or something obviously let's see here this is easy to find because here's here's what happened okay Someone had the opportunity to fucking date Tanahashi and then lost it and fucking went apeshit. This is like in... There's a Seinfeld where Elaine dates a guy who's a bad breaker-upper. Ah, yes.

oh you're putting you're gonna victim blame we're about to hear why tanahashi it's tani's hashi's at fault for getting stabbed no it just makes me think of that episode of seinfeld that's all i'll tell you what happened tanahashi here's here's how you

this is the greatest you're right this is the greatest thing that could have happened to a professional wrestler because you you are complete baby face because on the just the surface level you're like nobody deserves to get stabbed so you're like i'm on this guy's side right Right. Then you get one layer deeper. And it's like, wow, this guy is so incredible that this woman couldn't stand to live without him. So that she was like, if I can't have him, no one can.

I must stab him. And not even stabbed him during the breakup. Once it sunk in, I can't bear to let the world have Hiroshi Tanahashi if he won't be mine. She goes over there and stabs him, right? Then you get one level deeper.

hold on let me give the story here oh please so uh let's see so he debuted in 99 and it seems like this happened around like somewhere in 2002 because he came back in february of 03 it says uh you know this is after talking about you know him he was gonna schedule to lose scott hall and he had been in the g1 and this and that and then it says uh Still, Tanahashi becoming a star at first was a complete fluke because he had a celebrity girlfriend at this point who then stabbed him. Hitomi Hara.

was a tv asai network news reporter who was a national personality at the time tanahashi went to her apartment broke up with her and told her he was dating someone else and hara stabbed him in the back multiple times hara later told police she tried to kill him and then was planning to commit suicide oh but the publicity of the story made tanahashi at the time something of a household name in japan young pro wrestler stabbed in the back by celebrity girlfriend

um she was charged with attempted murder and sentenced to three years in prison but because the judge felt it was a crime of emotion instead changed the sentence to four years of probation And then he came back in February of 03, losing in the opener to Manabu Nakanishi. But he got such a big reaction, the company was like, hold on. They're into this guy that got stabbed. We got to fucking give him the push. Man, O2 is... Is Inoki still in charge in O2?

i mean he would have been a figurehead i suppose yeah i think so because it's a little bit later when there's the like butting of heads because tanahashi wants to like kind of do a new a style that's a little different than the traditional and that all that happens so i think he's he's either in charge or he definitely is you know still involved for a bit after that

and he's like oh this guy got stabbed we can make some money with this guy well it's funny that like he came out in the dome and they're like all right tana i should go out there and fucking lay down for nakanishi and they're like wait a minute what's going on here And instead of going like Vince McMahon, like, oh, these people are idiots. Like Nakanishi's a star.

Just give me one second. I put something in the washer and I don't like the way that it's beeping. Let me check on it. Okay. Yeah, man. McCarthy's gut. Laundry problems. Never a good thing, but I'm trying to think what else, man. Too early in the show for me to vamp. Oh, Matty McSee. What happened, bud? Well, you know, I'm traumatized because of, you know, recent events where I had to. In light of recent events. In light of recent events where I had to.

take the thing apart and pull shit out of the the filter and all that but i'm like because in my mind i'm like when did i start that fucking load there's no way it's done already And then I'm like trying to like, I'm trying to interpret the beeps, but there was no, the big warning is the, I think it says F1. Oh yeah.

yeah uh you know i'm more typically like did i leave two lighters in my pocket is that a roll of uh dog shit bags what what did i leave in my pocket that's homie i'm sitting here going through this desk drawer like i just bought a three pack of chapstick i'm like wait i'm like damn like i know i know one's in circulation now and i'm like god where the where the fuck

Those things are manufactured to disappear. They're taught in the factory to get away from the owner. I mean, I just got to start attaching it to my person. Yeah. One was in the... What? It's tough out here, man. It's tough out. Yeah. Man, these lips, these tender lips. In this freezing cold Los Angeles winter, you've got to have some moisture for your lips.

man i went out there it was 45 degrees i'm like my lips are naked god damn there was one in the dryer there was one glennis drove my car over the weekend when i was in san fran she's like yeah there's a there's a thing of chapstick on the floor in your car i'm like well that helps that helps that helps me a lot thank you for the update like that is great

I'm driving Jack to school this morning. I was like, mom mentioned she saw a chapstick in the car. Do you have any idea where? He's like, nah. Everybody's calling out. No.

everybody's a big help everybody's so creative unbelievable oh boy what else man anything well then the third layer the final layer of hearing tanahashi got stabbed is uh whatever if if then you go into the victim blaming yes you're like i can change him but obviously it's not as fun when when you really do get into the the weeds of no this woman was clearly very mentally ill and deeply upset yeah well whatever man she tweaked when she found out tana i mean here's the other thing you know you

if it's a job you you get a new job before you leave the previous job if it's a dating situation you should probably leave the dating situation before you start dating somebody else but hey again we're not here to blame tana no i'd say uh maybe

Maybe both parties handled it poorly. Maybe one. I mean, at least he went to her crib. He didn't fucking call her on payphone from Osaka right outside the fucking building and say, like, maybe it's over. This is O2. 2002 they had texting on their phones in japan by then if i had a sidekick you had a sidekick yeah no uh that's too bad i hope she's okay

Well, she didn't go to jail. Maybe she went to the Tokyo Dome the other week. I'm sure she did. She ordered that pay-per-view. Not trying to make light of it. Well.

Hope everybody's okay. Hope Tana's okay. Does he have scars removed? Does he have scars on his back? That's funny, man. I don't know. Not that I've noticed. There's been plenty of times... you know usually when he does the back thing it's with a you know like a yoked shirt on at the gym so i don't know that i've seen him like flex his back and and thought like what are those you know right yeah

I'm trying to think, I would have to dig around on New Japan World to find it. But like there was that, they did like a, they were doing those mini documentaries. about them i remember i remember his being great and han was being great um but his is the one where he's he's he was champ i don't even know what year it was but i mean obviously

I don't know if it was new for New Japan World or if they just put it up because of it. The origin of Hanma's voice, man. What is the origin of Hanma's voice? If they don't do that, they don't cover that in the doc.

All I remember about the Hanma's doc is him going to the same restaurants as Tanahashi. And like... asking what tanahashi ordered and like because he's trying to get tanahashi's body ah and he's i'm sorry you were saying about the tonadoc though oh the tonadoc is great because it's the one That's the one, it's one of my favorite quotes where it's just him smiling and the subtitle just says, in wrestling, there are good times and there are bad times. And...

It's just following him around like he does like some God, he's making some public appearance and he decides that he's going to take his shirt off before he goes out but like he acts like but like as a joke he's like it'd be it'll be funny if i just you know they show me they saw me show up with a shirt on if i just walk out with no shirt on yeah and he walks out and he's like uh

I think they surprise him with a birthday cake. It's like his birthday. And then he's like, oh. He's like, this is embarrassing. How embarrassing. My shirt fell off. Did you see Ron? No. What happened? Anything?

Well, it's funny. The AJ and Gunther match was really good, but the finish... It's funny. What they did was they had Gunther tap out, but the ref didn't see it. To AJ? Yeah. So in theory, it's like, you know, the reps distracted, you're holding the guy for a five count and the rep doesn't see it. And that, that seems to work. And I understand why maybe you were like, well, let's do this. Cause they're obviously going to wrestle again.

But somehow it was clunky and bad that Gunther tapped out, and then the ref wasn't there, and AJ's like, raise my hand, and the ref's like, what are you talking about?

it just ended up being like not great even though i i can't say i mean i guess maybe they should someone that that far along and that smart but but i could see backstage where it's like oh it's kind of the same as like the ref missing a pinfall and and it maybe sets up whatever they're trying to do next with the fucking the calf crusher or something or the the versus the sleeper hold or whatever it's going to be but it just ended up not be not working for me

I'm so happy you said the calf crusher because I'm sitting here going, his submission finish is not called the shin splints, but I can't think what else the fucking thing could be called. You know, it has something to do. I was on the wrong side of the leg.

yeah but uh i mean i can see this is this is to me that it's classic wwe creative overbooking overthinking Just on paper, this is the story they're doing with Gunther now. Because it's like, look at it this way. If, if when Brock Lesnar broke the Undertaker's streak, you know, if then, what, a month later, less? They did a gimmick where somebody pinned Brock, but the ref's back was turned. It's like somehow in their mind, well, this is continuing that story. Right.

You know, because it's still... So why does Gunther now have... Like, he made John Cena tap out. You're not furthering any story by having him now tap out and the ref doesn't see it. You're... diminishing yeah what gunther did like what's the point of gunther beating cena if that's not going to be a feather in his cap why is this now you know and like aj this known submission

specialist you know yeah yeah yeah and and it's like it's all fine and good but the fact that that is now like his whole thing is that right he beat john cena And he acted poorly in victory. And that's his whole thing now. Right. And it's...

Because when you're overthinking it, you're just trying to find, all right, what do we do next? What do we do next? Where do we go with this? Because there is no plan. And when you're trying to figure it out week to week, you know, hopefully that there is, I mean, look, when I was there, like you would do grids and it's like, we're going all the way to this pay-per-view or if we feel like we can get three out of it.

The three pay-per-views. Here's what's going to happen each week. And then the X factor was Vince would tear it up every single week and either ignore what we... where we were going with it or would just suddenly decide we're going to do something different or like i mean we had this whole thing planned out when Zach Ryder was in love with Eve Torres, right? That was her name, right? Yeah. And Eve Mendez? No, that's the actor, right?

Eve Torres. Eve Torres is the wrestler. And you remember this week, all of a sudden, Raw just opened up with... They did one where it was like Cena... I don't remember what happened first. They did one where like Cena, like Cena saved Eve Torres from, I think from Kane. And she like smooches him. as a thank you and then the camera pans over and Zack Ryder's in I think he was in a wheelchair I don't remember but he definitely had like a neck brace

He had like, yes, he was already, he had already. Yeah. He had like a box of chocolates and roses. Yeah. But I can't remember. No, because he gets pushed off the stage. He got pushed off the stage. Eventually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, what a fucking bump he took. Oh, my God.

i remember jericho was in the writer's room and we're just watching it on the monitor he goes jesus christ fellas that was a hell of a bump but then um we had a whole story A whole story lined up, and then one day, Raw just opens with Eve Torres talking to, I don't know, the Bella Twins or somebody. And she's just flat out, like, it's that... that cheesy moment in every like Batman TV show or, you know, Bond movie where the, where the villain just tells their whole plan. And she,

And it's the open of Raw, and she's telling it to the Bellas, and she's like, I completely tricked John Cena, and I tricked Zack Ryder. These idiots. And then the camera pans over, and they're both standing there listening.

and it's just like what is and then you know and i was on the home team i think at that point and i'm like you know you start texting with you know whoever's there at tv and they're just like yeah vince fucking killed the whole thing i have no idea what the fuck's going on you know it's it's um it's interesting too because in this particular instance with gunther

Like we had heard for a long time that he was going to be the guy to beat Cena, right? Or to have his last match with Cena. The longest time we heard that, yeah. So you would think... that would allow you a bunch of time to be like and here's what we're going to do with it you know like this is why he's going to be the guy and then what will what will come of it so it's just it's interesting to then go like so is this what it

Is this what they decided? Like long ago, they're like, then people are going to be mad at him. Then AJ is going to be the first guy to take him to task. And then we're going to do this like a false submission. too late i mean are we are we going to do a submission match at sarah's main event what are we doing you know it seems i mean yeah if we're just following this trail of breadcrumbs it's like okay so i guess we do a submission match right i don't know

I don't know. And then what? Yeah. I guess we're just, again, when I have to think about it too much, it's a bad angle. you know, because there's room for subtlety in pro wrestling, but it's, but it's also, it's like, I can see because they just, they, They overthink it because that's their job. Their job is to, well, if we did this, what is this going to mean? Well, what if we did this? And then you had 50 people. I mean, I don't know how many writers are there now, but it's like.

Every time I don't work there, it sounds like there's 30 to 50 writers. Every time I would work there, it would be after this huge mass firing. but the idea that, well, God damn, we need to know, we need to know that AJ could make Gunther submit. You know, I don't know that. it being behind the ref's back is the best something is lost with that where it's like Say they still had interview segments, like a show, like the Love Shack or the Jericho show, whatever that was.

If they were on Piper's Pit and they start arguing and AJ puts him in the fucking calf deal and Gunther is tapping in a situation where it's like... You know, there's no consequence. Something about it being like, oh, Gunther should have lost that match, but didn't. I mean, is there. like also like did did gunther realize the ref wasn't there and he tapped to make aj stop so that he could get out of it i guess is the other question i mean yeah again now it's like

Now it's way too complicated. Right. Pro wrestling is no place for loose threads. Yeah. You really got to hammer him over the head with him, Addy. I mean, we got to know because, you know, hey, that calf crushers the shit.

But the people don't know that. Gunther don't know that. I mean, if Goot goes in there, I'd love to think that Michael Hayes calls him Gooter. Yeah. I mean, you get Guter in there, that goddamn goose-stepping son of a bitch, and he gets that fucking shit on you. I mean, what is even Gunther's finishing move? Just a fucking headlock? It is also odd that... Because the story isn't that Gunther made him tap out. It's that Cena gave up. Right.

Because Gunther's the guy who chops you, not the guy that submits you. I'm completely forgetting that aspect of it. He should just be talking about how he... this is what it is they got into the i can i can see it already they got into the mindset of gunther keeps saying i made cena tap out i made cena tap out instead of saying i made him give up right Because Cena's shirt wasn't never tap out. Right. It's never give up. Yeah. But this guy. It's just, oh, my God. Look how fat.

gunther used to be i forgot i mean i remember but my god look at his face god what a fucking monster he's a different person yeah yeah But again, I'm like, I remember when he lost all that weight and just like throwing up a couple of comments on Instagram, just being like, he looked better before, you know? Yeah.

Feeling like something was lost. To which somebody replied, well, you know, it's better for his health. I'm like... look we don't have to get into the whole thing i don't know i don't know gunther's health situations i don't know if he was avoiding well his health in as much as like putting food on the table because vince mcmahon was like it's this fat piece of shit out of my face

And he's like, oh, I might not get paid anymore. I better get fried skinny and fast. Because I mean, it's like, you know, like, because I'm like, well, imagine if King Kong Bundy got in shape. It's like, it's not the same thing. And then the person was like, well, King Kong Bundy died of complications of diabetes, so that's a bad example. And I'm like, all right, fair enough. But again, we've been saying for the last couple of weeks about Terry Gordy.

It's like you would never look at Terry Gordy and be like, what's this fat piece of shit going to do to me? Yeah. You know? Well. Well, fuck. What about Gunter? Hey, if we get that gooder in there, I'm interested in Michael Hayes, you know, cause raw was in Germany last night. He's like, I'd like to Wiener schnitzel. Well, goddamn, this fucking sauerkraut's too sour. Fuck. Oh, man. What do you mean there ain't no KFC here? Would it kill him to have a Bojangles? Goddamn.

This is how a German fries a chicken. Fuck. They even got chickens in this backwards fucking country. I got to go to Austria to get a fucking chicken. Fuck this.

What about Hetchesero versus Mark Briscoe on collision? That was a hell of a little match, man. I, I, you know, I'm, I'm looking for a grateful dead sticker to put on my car, you know, Cadillac.

I'm on the back of my Cadillac. That's right. Then I'm going to drive around Don Henley's neighborhood to make him nuts. But... you know i don't have any in the drawer and i'm just trying to find like i went to a couple record stores in town i'm like jesus christ all i want is just a nice big steal your face you know okay then i'm just on ebay and i just you know i just want to make sure i'm like

because i want it right now and i'm sure somebody listening is like oh get maddie some stickers like i i love it and i love you i i just need it tomorrow you know i just it's go to amoeba they got they got shit like that in amoeba don't they Baby, I went. I went. The girl was going through the thing behind the counter. She starts pulling out decal, like the enamel pins. And I'm like, honey girl, I don't want a pin. I want a sticker.

anyway yeah i went to cd trader i went all over look i was in san francisco i'm like what is it what is it with this fucking anyway i want that and i also want a wrestling sticker and i'm like Probably do the New Japan logo just because it complements the Grateful Dead sticker as well. If they're the same size, they're next to each other, that'd be nice. Also, it's, you know...

A little more inside baseball. Anybody who sees that and knows what it is, is like, okay, you're down. But like, don't necessarily want it to be a WWF sticker because it's just like, I don't know. It's the state of things. But I also have an AEW sticker, which I'm like, that's the only other one I would consider putting up just because after watching matches like Hitchisero and goddamn Mark Briscoe. Well, that's what I'm talking about, dude.

Like, this is just the fucking bomb, dude. It was a cool ass match. It's a fucking real good match. Mox versus Shelton Benjamin on Wednesday. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty good.

What did Moxley just become? Maxwell Jacob Friedman's hair has completely changed on the top of his head. Whether he got a transplant or not, he just got a wholesale change. They just took off the one like a... Like a weeble wobble. They just clicked off one head of hair and clicked on a new head of hair. Like a Lego dude. Dude. But really though. I'm down with it.

What do you think Moxley's doing right now? Let's see. He's probably screaming at Renee, where's my fucking... can of dip i've got to go to the airport for dynamite tomorrow uh god god renee what'd you do with my dip you can dip on a plane renee Okay, fine. I'll do Zin. Where are my Zins? Oh, Jesus Christ. You know what? Fuck it. I'm just putting two patches on. Roll up the Zin to win. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do half a patch.

I put that on. Then as soon as they lock the door, I put on the other half. Yeah. I put on my fucking blackout goggles. I'm done. I drink. Two and a half athletics and I go to sleep. Renee, where's my Nicorette? I got to catch a flight. I mean, they have to travel together, right? You'd think. You'd hope. I don't know. Maybe it would be nice if you know like if Renee had her own group of friends.

Like she traveled with like Willow, you know, or something. Yeah, but I mean, they're not all coming from the same place. That's true. That's true. Yeah. But. I don't know. I would prefer, obviously, the heels have their own locker room, the babyfaces have their own locker room, and that Moxley travels in a minivan with Cesaro.

wheeler you know so he's already on the road then he pulls out of cincinnati or wherever the fuck he's living in ohio now uh probably on like monday morning to get to whatever town he's working on wednesday yeah yeah he drives it like renee catches the flight like moxley drives everywhere he's like i can't fucking do it he's like fucking you to move to bumfuck kentucky i gotta go grab him she's just like babe babe

why don't you take a flight? Tony sent us plane tickets. He's like, I cashed that shit in. How do you think I got you that bracelet for Christmas? What do you think these cartons of cigarettes are paying for themselves? Oh, Christ. I got to fucking find Cesaro's sweater. Do you know he wants to wrap those paper towels around his thighs again? René, you got to talk to him.

You got Sarah's number. Ever talk to him. Are they still together? I have no idea. You don't hear about Sarah Del Rey anymore. She's still down there training, right? Is she still working at NXT? I mean, I assume so. Man, when she retired, I was fucking bummed. You were bumming, huh? Yeah, man. She was the fucking best. Sarah Del Rey? Yeah. Man. Yeah. Did you even see her work or were you just in the fucking shitter, dude? I never took a shit at the fucking Hammerstein, dude.

What about that? That goes to the Grand Ballroom, too. What about the Warsaw? You ever take a dump at the Warsaw? You're like, I'm not watching fucking ants wrestle. Fuck this. I ate a plate of Polish food. About it. This is, again, my favorite source to go to Wikipedia. She is signed to WWE as the assistant head coach of the Performance Center and a producer for NXT. So her and Matt Bloom are running the show down there. Do it again. Get it again. Oh, yeah.

I always forget about Wrestling Society X. Remember that? For a cup of coffee on MTV. Yeah. Evan Bourne. Reborn. What a fucking ridiculous time that was.

Did that even last a year? Nine episodes. One unaired. Where's this one unaired episode? But I think there is... uh like uh an official like a dvd was released definitely yeah despite it not being very much man january february march and and january 30th so really and then march 14th so really it was on the air in february of 2007 yeah with your boy fucking tyler black in the mix dude a little bit of new jack a little bit of jack evans dude they had it all

macias big time big time okay so so the dvd does have all 10 episodes this is the new homework bro chris hamrick please i mean here's what all what always happens is the um all the musical performances were edited off the dvd set good so it's like god damn it spider nate web damn Why didn't I tape record Wrestling Society X while it was on MTV at the time? Goddamn. According to Wikipedia, Claudio Castig...

Annually is her current life partner. Oh. And it's not listed as any spouse or any of that shit. It says life partner. She retired in 2012. That's insane. That's insane. That's before we started this show. That's crazy.

is it let's see we were i'm here to tell you doing big things back then did she get signed because september 2012 that's before i moved to la yeah was she did she get signed first i think that's the only reason she would have retired no i mean like was she signed as a wrestler under you know championship wrestling from florida wherever the fuck it was florida wrestling you know i'm saying oh and then ended up retiring with them and then became a trainer and a coach and whatever

You know what I'm saying? Well, I'll tell you, man. I'll tell you. I'll tell you right now. Man, her with the Kings of Wrestling. What a fucking great... Also, I love that... on wednesday when like they they go to the back because jet speed's been fucking wiped out and then first you got ricochet who wanders up and is like what's going on like he doesn't know But then once Don Callis arrives, Don Callis is just like, uh, just fucking gloating. Couldn't be happier. Difference between a bounty.

And whatever he said. Wiki doesn't make it clear. Let's be clear. It just says... It just says she signed in 2012 and became the first ever female trainer. Very cool. But I mean like she was wrestling for Chikara like up until... Yeah, she lost to Icarus in her farewell match in July, and then she went to the E. Man, shoot one into the Agent Johnny, man. He'll get a word to her.

well wishes in that i don't know i can't picture it for whatever reason it's just like those two were like despite them clearly having worked together for forever I'm like, I can't picture Johnny Russo and Sarah Del Rey having a conversation, even though obviously they have, you know what I mean? It didn't happen. That's how I feel.

Promoted to assistant head coach following the resignation of Bill DeMott. Bill DeMott. There you go. Humors. Well, that's what happens when you're a fucking dickhead to people and maybe a motherfucker wearing a walking cast and you decide to kick them in it. Doot, doot, doot. Okay, here's what I'm thinking.

sarah comes out of retirement right first match in fucking i don't even fucking know how long i mean she's down there training motherfuckers she can still fucking go she shows up she's now the fourth member of I don't even know what fucking groups we got anymore. Damage control. Fucking the Kabuki warriors. She becomes a Kabuki warrior. Fuck it. Hey, Sarah, I was looking online.

I forgot when you wrestled, you used to put weird eyebrows on your fucking head with like giant paint. What's up with that? Face paint. Face paint. I only did that once.

And it was the stars and bars. Then me and Terry had a fucking bowl of cocaine. Just to wash it off. What about that big six man on dynamite? Did you catch that one? remind me who it was again could you believe it when the young buck showed up to be jack perry's buddies after jet speed got wiped out right man old Tongaloa and fucking... Let me pull up the... Toa Leona and Bishop Khan with Rick. Ricky Rick. That's good shit. Who did you say first? Toa Leona?

No, I said Tonga Law, which is obviously a WWE wrestler. Oh, yes. Yes. God damn. Um... I don't want collision. Yes, January 6th. God, this feels like a fucking year ago. A lifetime in days. Send hook. Yes. All right. Jake Doyle beats up Jet Speed. I love a bounty. We're big fans here on the pod of the Harley Race bounty on Ric Flair. It's that VHS tape that you can access, the mixtape we made. You can access that on our Patreon. The opening moment.

Is when Ric Flair comes back with the baseball bat. Oh, all time. Dude. When that aluminum bat hits the ring post. Ding. Ding. Ding. Dick Slater knew it was time to go. Dick Slater was like, fuck this. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, did I go back to? No, no, no. This is.

I don't know what the fuck I'm reading. Because I'm like, yeah, Shelton and Mox was Wednesday, and then it says Continental Championship Eliminator. I'm like, wait. Now I'm thinking I'm back in the tournament. Man, don't be a dumb motherfucker.

Darby's on the hunt. Oh, Maximum Carnage is this week. have they done that before why does maximum carnage not ring a bell it's not like winter's coming or something yeah i think so it uh either let's see they i believe that they have uh And if they haven't, it's just the name of a comic book or something. Because it's definitely a... I mean, it was definitely a thing that happened in Spider-Man.

let's see here yeah because there was let's see was yeah maximum carnage also happened in 2025 at least Last year, dude. The triangle of badness. Are they doing... they're doing a dynamite maximum carnage and a collision right oh is that what they're doing i'm asking you what are you seeing i'm just seeing you know uh

Kenny's coming back at maximum carnage. Triangle of badness versus stat and the babes of wrath. I mean, I feel like Harley Cameron is an honorary Long Island wrestler. Wrestlers from Long Island. Why are they so unserious? Vince Averill, your answer. Quick. She's from another country. I know. That's why I said she's an honorary. Honorary. Just based on her being goofy.

She's a fucking goof, dude. She's fucking goof juice. Funny. Don't equal money. But I'm saying. Well, it does. It does. Because I like Willow. You know, stat, I think, I mean, it's hard to pick who would be the best female wrestler in AEW. Because it is an outrageously stacked roster. But I put Stat in the conversation just because I feel like she can do it all. But again...

She used to be an alien from outer space, booping the snoot. And then don't even get me started on the best friends, you know, Orange Cassidy. Even, you know, you go back a little bit more.

Brian Myers, Zack Ryder. You go back even further, Mick Foley. These wrestlers from Long Island, they are un... serious dude and i want to know why what is it about nassau county that makes these motherfuckers such goof juices mjf's the only serious wrestler that ever came out of there he's a hard case he is a yeah but but he's also a fucking goof too i mean he's the you know him and chris jericho's from winnipeg but it takes a motherfucker from long island to like you know do a duet of opera

in the middle of a fucking wrestling show you know and that that wasn't jericho's idea that was fucking like max is a trained singer so it's like of course he's like we should we should uh opera should just break out in the middle of this segment why

Are they so unserious on the terminal moraine? Vince Avery, your answer. Doesn't seem to make any rhyme or reason to me. I guess it's not a serious place. motherfuckers from i mean can we fucking a lot of michael hayes this week can we just hey you wrong concoma goofs fucking get your shit together all right

I don't know if they're serving fucking goof juice on the L-I-R-R, but fuck. Man, if Terry were here, he'd grab you by the lapels, he'd hang you off the balcony, and he'd say, what'd you do with my money? And that's just Harley Cameron. Buddy would have loved, oh, Harley, Buddy would have loved smoking cigarettes with you. Buddy didn't even want to have sex.

He just wanted to smoke Marlboro cigarettes and play Pinochle in the hotel room. So much for America first, the next two pay-per-views for WWE and also for AEW. are not on american soil i didn't even realize raw was from germany it still aired in prime time it was pre-taped i don't know what time netflix put it up because i there's there's absolutely no reason for me to watch raw live because if i watch it live i'm subject to like four and a half minute commercials that just get thrown in

like in the middle of michael cole saying something and if i wait until it's over then i don't suffer any of that so it's like why would i ever watch it when it happens so but i don't know if it came if they put it up in the morning or if it went up at

around five or whatever time it would normally hear. Let's see. Maximum carnage is in Phoenix. So we get... we could be there and back it'd be like we'd never she you gotta wait for february you want to go to dynamite you gotta wait for february now you got that on the calendar right fab 11 fab 11 in ink Feb 11. Don't leave me hanging with Shrek this time. I need you there. Hey, man. Nobody needs to be hanging with Shrek. Matt Wrestling. Putting it in the books.

We're on a collision course, no pun intended, with Andrade and Amazing Red inside the Globe Theater. Two of your favorite wrestlers, one of your favorite venues. January 30th, you are stoked. Yes or no? Stoke level. Talk to me. I am stoked. I am Stokely Hathaway. Don't get caught eating the nachos when a major match is going on. I do what I want when I won't.

Eddie Kingston and Ortiz. Yeah, match made in heaven. The grizzled young veterans. There's a little promo segment on Collision. Getting ready for that. Did they do anything for you? Grizzled? yeah um not not especially uh i don't dislike them and the work is good but but i'm not like i don't get up for it yeah a little ambivalent myself i mean the name from the jump is bothersome to me yeah i don't like the name but um well they also they just feel it's like you know

I'm like, I don't know. I just, I feel like, I don't know. I'm like, eh, I don't know. We already got an FTR. Grizzle GYV. What's the initials that get you? The GYV? I mean, no. I think it is just the... Hey, we're wrestlers. We're a tag team. Like, obviously, all tag teams are wrestlers. I'm saying like, hey, we're, you know, mat technicians. We're a combination.

It's just, it's, it's, I, and one of us, one of us is bald. One of us has hair, you know, it's like, uh, you're talking about road warriors versus demolition here.

a little bit yes it's it's a little road warriors and demolition regardless of who came first i don't i don't know how long they're so grizzled these veterans yeah but you know it is it's a very it's just a little uh they're not they got their fucking scarves I don't know so it's an Anglo thing well it's just look put it this way i'm pulling for eddie and ortiz okay well i mean fuck ortiz they they need to do the fucking tin man gimmick on him where eddie fucking goes with the oil can and like

tries to break him free of all the rust on him he hasn't fucking done shit in how long i didn't i didn't even know he still had a job he's like that that dude has has been in the cryogenic freeze backstage and they finally fuck eddie begged and pleaded to fucking open it up i honest to god like because the the

the card was small and like you got to zoom in on each you know poster yeah when i opened it i was like is that homicide because i all i see is eddie kingston my mind goes oh he's tagging with homicide that's fucking amazing

homicide retired dude he sure did he didn't tap out what about that little blip there when ortiz was like dressed like a mime remember you like had that little period where he was it looked like he was yes tompkin square park doing some fucking space work i i it was supposed to be like in the dead presidents right uh okay

Again, ambiguity does not serve in professional wrestling. Or was it from the fucking Warriors? I don't know what he was doing, but it looked like, yeah. No, ambiguity don't work. If you're Enigma.

and you can be charismatic then then we're in the hunt he was either doing space work or he was like like in front of an easel in a park in paris painting he has never he's he's like a a kota obushi where i'm like i don't think this guy's like working an angle i'm like i think this guy might actually be like ill

Ortiz, he's never struck you as like, oh, I don't know if this guy's doing a character. He might actually be bonkers. Yeah, I can't think of anything that he's done that's super like... outlandish i i i feel like to me it's more so like you know he just goes back to wherever he lives in queens yonkers whatever and and is

you know, couldn't be more normal and then goes to work and you know, it's like, yeah, I don't know. He just, he seems like a regular guy to me. Does this look like a regular guy to you? okay he just i wasn't thinking of that era i was thinking of when he like didn't he have like a point when he was like either even wearing like a little beret and like some stripes or some shit possibly i don't know

I mean, they have a figure of it. We know this. Santana couldn't put up with it no more. Right. That's the other thing. I'm like... I just felt like he has... There would be times when... And maybe it is a combination of Santana just being like, I gotta go. Yeah. But like... There are times, and I can't think of anything specific, when during like interviews, when he wasn't talking, he would just be like doing shit or like, yeah.

yeah kind of like wandering around yeah but also he's a dude since we first saw him you know forever ago it's like this guy's taken way too many fucking shots to the dome That guy's rattled his bean once too often. Like while I was there. The old bean rattle. Right. So God knows how many fucking times his bean got rattled when I wasn't in the building. I said it to fucking Ricky Morton. They're signing autographs at Bar Wrestling. AEW's on the TV.

He goes, oh, this guy Ortiz, he's fucking good. We worked with this guy. And I go, he does too much stuff with his head. Rick goes, huh? I said, like, I gotta go, Rick. What?

All right. We should head to the Raw Vault. We have a hard out. You want to check out the vault, bro? Do you even think you can open the Raw Vault, dude? You got that kind of strength? Raw Vault on Netflix. Vault is open. We've jumped.

into the future from the last time we watched a Raw. July 21st, 1997. We got a nice recap of Brett and the Canadian heel turn. Which it's funny, the more I watch this episode in particular, I'm like, it isn't even that, because obviously when they discuss it in Wrestling with Shadows. They talk about the idea of Brett being a heel in the United States and a baby face in the rest of the world. Right. But watching this episode in a vacuum, I'm like, I think what actually happened was this.

Canada turned heel you know okay because of because then it's like not knowing how they're going to react to any wrestler who's coming out who's not involved in the angle you know right this is is this the beginning of Because, I mean, like, they're booing Stone Cold. I mean, obviously, they're going to boo Shawn Michaels, but, like, Shawn's half a heel anyway in the Attitude Era. So it's like, what does it matter? Right, but, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, this is maybe just the beginning of, uh, you know, well, Canada's bizarro world.

Where it's like, we're just going to acknowledge on commentary that we don't know what the fuck Canada is doing. But so Stone Cold, there wouldn't be any reason for them to dislike him as it pertains to Brett at this point? Well, he's... kind of always in a feud with the heart foundation and in particular he's now locked in with own heart because so that would be why i mean that that's enough to fucking boost uncle right there

uh ominously leading up there we're getting closer and closer to the summer slam stack of dimes boy it makes you wonder what what what if anything would have changed obviously something would have changed but what if anything what what would would be those changes had stone cold never broken his neck and maybe for for better or worse you know yeah sure

because there is something to that period where he couldn't wrestle but he was still showing up you know it was it became this it was almost like the the cog in the machine you know yeah Well, I mean, I just, he just did that interview with Chris Van Vliet and he was saying like, you know, he was just down like on his ranch in Texas, like fucking.

drinking beer and shooting his gun or whatever and it's like you know vince calls me and starts talking about like my return and i'm like i don't fucking know if i'm coming back you know he's like i fucking laid there for a minute i couldn't move my shit like i don't i don't fucking like what are you talking about you know he's like had to talk to me a few more times and then you know yeah we got to figure it out but he was like i don't think i'm fucking doing that no more

you know man i used to have it but his rolling stone interview was incredible and he he talks about that period he's like he's like he used to just drive around in his truck drinking beer and just throwing the empty cans in the fucking flatbed behind him well i knew he did it when he retired but during this time too he was like i would just drive whatever fucking hour down the road to sonic

get a sonic drive back just to like stay in the mode of fucking you know i'm on the road yeah so we are live from halifax nova scotia We have Vince King and Jim Ross on the ones and twos. And the first people to come out are Big Van Vader and Paul Bearer in this incredible era of Paul Bearer. No makeup, no hair dye, just Percy Pringle III. That's all he is. He doesn't know who he is or what he's doing. No accent, none of it. He's just being Percy Pringle.

He's straight tripping. It's crazy. They show highlights from In Your House, A Cold Day at Hell with Shamrock versus Big Van Vader. The highlights of the match are so crazy, and it dawns on me, I'm like, I don't think I've ever seen that show, or at least that match, that I immediately pause my Raw vault.

because the the the wwe pay-per-view archive is now on netflix if you all didn't know blessed day and i just dip right over to in your house and of course it's impossible because Netflix doesn't know how to present pro wrestling in an archive format. They only know how to just put it into the, they force it into the slot of TV show that they already have.

So you've got In Your House season one, season two, season three. And each episode is a pay-per-view. So God forbid you start watching A Cold Day in Hell and then you leave.

And then come back because it's not going to continue it. It's going to just immediately start playing the final four, which is the first in your house in this collection. And I'm like, this is... so backwards and stupid wait like you started watching the show and then left it and when you came back it didn't let you continue i left i left out of the app or like i had it paused long enough that it closed out and when i went back in

that's what happened to me i don't know what i did that's the thing you always have to go back to continue like there's a right there's a yeah it's i mean it's not easy but i also like you know it's not as if i mean they were lucky enough that peacock gave them their own area But it's not like Peacock was super easy to book it, you know? Yeah. So first of all, so I go into Cold Day in Hell and I'm fast forwarding through.

Until I see Mankind versus The Rock, and then I'm like, all right, I'm going to watch this for a second. And again, this is not on Raw. This is on Cold Day in Hell. The Rock does an interview before their match.

And because I'm like, this must be the first time Mick Foley and Dwayne Johnson ever wrestled. It's got to be the worst rock interview I've ever seen. Oh. wow it's it's really fucking shit to bed eh oh my god it's just there's no character there's no inflection he looks like the rock but he doesn't sound like him And he's kind of stumbling through words. I'm like, oh man, this guy's fucking floundering. This guy needs to turn heel yesterday. And then the match...

i didn't give a shit i'm like it starts going i'm like fuck this and i just fast forwarded shamrock versus vader was no dq you win by knockdown or submission they were telling a great story uh where vader keeps getting out wrestled by shamrock but and and and obviously vader is a powerhouse so then shamrock's strategy is to

like kick out his legs try to try to chop him down you know but they were telling a great story but it's like vader was the wrong guy for this aspect of it where he kept getting out wrestled and then vader would powder to the outside to try to get away from a submission hold or go into the ropes to get a rope break and i'm like that's that's great for a heel yeah but like vader

A lot of Vader problems. A lot of problems with Vader's run. Couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I was watching. I was like, this is not... It was booked so... yeah it's funny like you you know you always hear and think about like how vader got misused there but then when you actually get right into the fucking meat of it you're like well here's here's a perfect example perfect example i'm like this is

Ridiculous. Anyway, they did one spot in the match. They showed on the replay of this Raw vault. I couldn't believe it. Vader gets Shamrock up for a suplex, a vertical suplex. and he's got him up, and he just saunters over to the ropes and drops Shamrock onto the floor. Yeah. Just flat onto the mat. The little gym mats they used to have down there. Oh my God. I'm like, I've never seen Shan Rock take a bump like that. Dude. And before or since. And he had not at that point in his life.

So anyway. Anyway. Anyway, back to Raw. Shamrock cuts a promo. We do Vader versus Shamrock. Apparently they're geared up for Shamrock versus the British Bulldog at the pay-per-view.

And if the loser has to eat a can of dog food, that's the step. Ooh, that old step. Man, like... That has happened. Scatological humor and dog food. Yeah. Because they did that with Corbin, right? Him and Roman. Right. Yes. The big dog. Yeah. Oh, the loser's got to eat dog food. What could be worse? I mean, God forbid, because obviously it's because he's British Bulldog. Roman was the big dog. Heaven help you if you're a gimmick. ever involved a dog. Yeah.

But Big Boss Man and Al Snow. Al Snow had a dog for a little while. Then they did that kennel match with the fucking dogs shitting on the fucking ringside. That one I saw live on pay-per-view. Lucky you. Bulldog interferes because also don't forget now Paul Bear is out there as well. So he's fucking with Shamrock. And then eventually... British Bulldog power slams Shamrock on the ramp and, uh, Vader goes over by count out again, not a strong victory for the big man. Yeah.

And this is also Ken Shamrock's first loss since he became a WWF superstar. And that's supposed to save it. Yeah.

So we hear from some fans in the building on why Canada is better than the US. We get a Brockus video. He's coming. He's not staying for very long, but he's coming. We get a Hart Foundation in-ring promo. You can't even begin to appreciate how over this group is in this building. I mean, first of all, when they show the crowd, even for this era...

It's a lot of fucking signs. There's a lot of signs and it's all Canadian flags, pro Canada. There's miniature Canadian flags all over the building. It's just... about how Sean sucks, about how everybody sucks. At one point, there was a sign, somebody had a sign that said, Lyndon McMahon is hot. I don't know if that was on Raw or on the pay-per-view, but at any rate, personal...

Hey man, subjective art form. Subjective art form. Brett Hart notes that, and Vince is conducting this interview. Vince is holding the microphone. How about that clip of Eddie Kingston telling Schiavone to hold the mic up higher? Yeah. Ric Flair must have hated you. Yeah. You ever notice the United States is shaped like a toilet bowl? Uh-oh. Because Americans are full of crap. Vince. Where are you going to stick the hose if you give America the enema? Pittsburgh's next week.

That line's coming next week. Maybe Washington. Yeah, maybe Washington. Vince doesn't like this joke one bit. Owen calls out Austin. well first we hear from the bulldog then owen calls out austin stone cold music hits i mean like owen at one point he's like talking about like kissing asses, you kiss his ass, you can suck my toe. Then Stone Cold comes out and he says he's going to stick their toes up their asses. I'm just like, this is... This is the fucking...

Hot period. We had an ad for SummerSlam. Oh, because the whole night, Brett, Davey Boy, and Owen. have an open challenge for any three Americans to wrestle them in a six-man. And so Stone Cold comes out and accepts the first slot. Bret Hart had mentioned Undertaker. because him and Undertaker are wrestling for the belt at SummerSlam. But Stone Cold takes the first spot. So then we see a clip.

Savio Vega and his friend stole the DOA's bike. They smashed it. We got a match with Brian Christopher versus Brian Walsh. Ooh. who was born in Canada. They make a point of mentioning this on the commentary. Born in Canada, he now resides in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Oh, good for him. The bucket. uh brian christopher we see some a lot of it is it felt like a a backstage like it felt like a recap heavy show

It felt like a package heavy show. It felt like a promo heavy show and not promo meaning interview like promos for they're trying to sell the pay-per-view. They've got another one of these win a million dollars gimmicks. I mean, it was just a lot of.

padding a lot of fluff um felt like a raw it felt like a fucking raw that's for sure we got an austin promo in the back he's talking about mankind talking about dude love they are i believe they're tag champs right now they're definitely tagging together austin doesn't know if he can trust him if he's fucking you know fucked in the head or what um We get a triple threat tag team match, which is just God awful. It's the headbangers, the Godwins and the new blackjacks. Wow, dude. God help us all.

If you thought the Hart Foundation was over in this building, you want to see some heat. Shawn Michaels does an in-ring interview with Jim Ross. Holy shit. Do they fucking hate this guy? And is he doing everything in his power to encourage them? First of all, his tan is deeply offensive. Heat seeking. Oh my. God, it's outrageous. He goes off. He goes off. He makes homophobic jokes. He makes...

The whole thing. It's so weak. The way he's getting heat, it's so fucking... I don't appreciate it. It's so transparent. It's so Shawn Michaels. of the air. I'm just like, Oh God, shut up. You know, I'm just like, shut the fuck up. We get, um, Oh, and also Vince loves it on the commentary. Vince. Loves it. Sure. We got Triple H versus The Patriot. Also, that's the other thing. A lot of matches very secondary to what's going on.

Like, because, you know, they're talking about, you know, what's going on with the trip with the six man tag while this other match is going on. Triple H versus the Patriot. Couldn't have been less of a, I mean, also it's like, who is it? Who is this crowd supposed to be rooting for the American Patriot or Hunter Hearst Helmsley? You know? Yeah.

So it also maybe even makes sense why it is this throwaway thing. So Shawn Michaels during his interview announces that he is going to be the special referee for Brett versus Undertaker, which is if I'm Brett Hart. I'm furious. So now Brett and his entourage, they come down and they start yelling at Vince at the table. Because whether it's been acknowledged or not, at this point...

The veil is completely undone. That Vince is the owner of the company. Vince is the decision maker in the company. And if you have a problem with who the referee is, you have a problem with Vince McMahon. This, I don't know if people ever cite this. This could be argued that this is the first appearance of Mr. McMahon. You know? Brett comes down. He's screaming at Vince. Vince is on his feet. Now, keep in mind, Vince is an announcer at this point. Brett, masterfully.

whacks the side of Vince's head and sends the headset flying. The look on McMahon's face. He looks like he wants to bite him. Yeah.

Brawl breaks out. Vince is in this brawl. It's a fucking melee. They go to commercial. They come back. They are at the table. Vince is saying nothing. Oh, boy. He's hot. He is fucking steamed. Lawler's being Lawler. Lawler's so good. And Jim Ross is now taking the lead.

Every so often, Lawler just goes, is your headset working, McMahon? They go to a backstage interview with Paul Bearer. He is insisting that Kane still exists. He has half of a necklace, you know, whatever. It's always interesting to me, too. Like, so the fact that this is obviously before Montreal, that Vince is already sort of.

but also that like because i just i was trying to figure out when it was but all the way back in like 93 you you can see when mcmahon was doing the his heel thing in memphis right But that's always strange to me because at that point, he's just an announcer from WWF, and he's in Memphis, but he's just acting like an asshole. He tries to trip or does trip Lawler. and all that yeah yeah anyway it's strange i mean i suppose in 93 i mean how many people were aware of it who knows but like

In 93, you are coming off of 92, where he was making a lot of public appearances as the owner of WWF. Because of the Ring Boy scandal, the steroid trial, all that shit. Yeah. You know, so who knows? But you know, he's on Donnie who he's on Larry King. Good guys versus bad guys. Hmm.

So the Nation of Domination music hits. We get Farouk versus Goldust. Vince is very upset and he's not talking. Then at one point, he responds to some sort of message he's gotten over the headset, and he gets up and leaves. Again, now we're pulling away from the match that's in the ring. Nobody cares about Farouk and Dustin.

We're watching Vince leave the announced position. Right. Heartbreak Kid has been attacked, and we got to assume it was the Heart Foundation who did it. Now the big, big man event, the six-man tag. Hard Foundation comes down. They all stand and sing along to O Canada in its entirety. They are full gear into this. And then it starts off, it's, what's the word I'm looking for? When it's two on three.

Advantage? Disadvantage? Yeah. Handicap? Handicap. Thank you. That's what it is. It's a handicap match. So it's Austin and Dude Love. And dude is just, there's almost no character at all. He's just Mick Foley. He's not doing the, oh, have mercy. It's like, oh, this is serious business. He's coming down to help Austin in this tag.

also they i don't i don't know how often this happened i was i was taken aback by the fact that dude love was hails from truth or consequences new mexico because i'm like wait no that's what cactus jack is from Yeah. Anyway. Eventually, right before the commercial hits, we hear the dong and the Undertaker joins the match. Come back from the break. Undertaker's in the match with him.

And again, people don't want to boo The Undertaker, but they're in an awkward spot. Anyway, so there's your big, big main event. Huge. Huge. And Vince Averill. Who's your favorite wrestler? Well, we didn't even talk about it, but my favorite wrestler is Drew McIntyre, the champ. The guy who beat Cody in three stages of hell. Dude. Right on SmackDown. Big title change on SmackDown.

Drew McIntyre right back in the mix as we head into Mania season. Yeah, gotta love it. Yeah, why is this? Is it because they... Is it just because they realized, oh, we have two babyface champions going into Mania? We need to...

not do that who knows maybe they need you know they're gonna take it from him to somebody else to get over there like that that's all very murky to me highly murky i mean except that like him and him and Cody have been in a feud no but it's not like apropos nothing but um but what the plan is coming out of it or going you know at once the rumble i mean the thing is with the rumble and elimination chamber like we really like mania is fucking six iterations from now no kidding but

But, um, in the meantime, I'm going to celebrate drew and I'd like to know who your favorite wrestler is. Um, I gotta go with, um, Ken Shamrock, oddly enough. After watching that match, I was like, oh, fuck. He was always just kind of there, and I never gave a shit about the UFC. Let's face it, I still don't.

But that match, I was like, oh, this was... They did two matches at once. They took two different stories. Because if they had just done... shamrock versus big van vader because when it starts king even says this reminds me when antonio noki fought muhammad ali you know i'm like that'd be great if that's what they were doing yeah but then to to have that other story of the heel who keeps getting out wrestled. I'm like, ah, anyway, but yeah, but Shamrock, I was like,

Between the presentation and then that fucking bump. Also, he kept, I mean, obviously with Vader's help, but he kept like German suplexing Vader, which I was like, that ain't fucking easy. No, no, no, no, no, no. That ain't easy.

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