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we we haven't done interviews in a long time it just became um it just became hard to wrangle people down and plus like we've never it's funny like podcasts predominantly i mean i don't know i don't listen to podcasts okay so speculation but pure speculation the interview format is very popular with podcasts and i always found it Um... You know. I like just talking to Vince. There you go, bud.
And that's what we do. And that's what we've done. But there are a lot of really cool interviews. I mean, once in a while, we need to check in with Casey Corbin and Chad Damiani and, you know, people of that nature.
What else? Well, listen, dude. Credit where credit is due, right? Okay. Before the... feed unceremoniously ended on collision but you're a big fan of black adam i couldn't figure out what's going on and then of course i kept looking at max and it's not there but Anyway, before that happened, the Steve Mongo McMichael tribute. credit where credit's due dude of course i was terrified that they were giving flair a live mic yeah but the motherfucker did great short sweet
To the point, respectful, in and out. I couldn't have been happier. It's the best work he's done on television in a long time. So kudos to Rick for getting it done on Saturday night. Makes me wonder if...
Because those WWE segments are so goddamn long. And it's not just a... Because that's not what Rick came up doing. Rick came up doing... solo promos and very rarely was it him and somebody else interacting or like because wwe their promo segments are more times than not their scenes they're doing like these sketches you know whereas rick How long would you say he was out there for? Um, I don't know.
a minute exactly it felt very exactly yeah because then he didn't even start out there they brought him out they gave him his intro he did his thing and even but even him he was like you know he said something to the effect of like i'm not going to take too long or like something you know i mean so and also i saw subsequently uh him before i watched this i had i had seen him with a big fucking
bonk on his head yeah what was that i don't know but it wasn't there yet so i was like well maybe they just fucking miss elizabeth them and kept him in a closet and ran him out there for a minute and then handed him his bottle and said you know see you later i don't know but he uh however they got it done and however he got it done i was just happy for it because you got a figure they said to him all right
go out there you have 60 seconds and that's a guy his the reflex right the muscle memory knows what a minute promo looks like yeah and he can go out there and he can hit those marks as opposed to like You're doing a seven minute promo with Triple H and then Batista is going to be there and then Randy is going to get upset. Also, I think probably a big factor.
fucking super duper loved mongo it wasn't a wrestling angle it wasn't at all about him to get him over or whatever he just had one you know what i mean so it was like there was no extra woo and it wasn't a situation for him to be like one time me and mongo you know woke up in the middle of fucking
arkansas in a field we didn't you know like none of that like he wasn't able to go into that shit so yeah just kind of the perfect little storm i think maybe small bites that's what we need rick flair small bites with a mission and and it's not um you know there's no no room for um
getting counted down and he's not going to turn into one of my favorite moments on that first steve austin videotape uh because stone cold said so is when they go into the montage of him just being reckless and he's like don't count me down you know and then he beats the shit out of the guy he just goes wandering through the studio i think it's that whole thing and then like the cops come and he's like you did this didn't you you did this didn't you and then he's outside and he's yelling at them
probably Connecticut cops. It's just like the Dunkin Donuts is right around the corner. I love, uh, you know the raws that we're watching right now that open where it's like Just like a gaggle of cops running around a corner, seemingly chasing a group of people into a fence. Yeah. Oh, I completely blanked on the raw homework. Hey, we'll get there, man. We'll get there.
get ready for some avatar and for a big battle royal but uh it's just such a funny like uh it evokes like craziness like what is it you know like yeah it's like that shit's about to break loose I mean, thinking back to my poor father thinking that there were going to be boxing gloves that exploded in Rocky IV, I just feel for the people at home who are like, I don't know if we should go to Raw. It looks like it gets out of hand.
can i tell you something i found a tape uh did i tell you about this i found a videotape it just said mork and mindy on it oh and so i i figured it was just gonna be reruns from like nick at night
These are first-run episodes from 1979. What? This is what I'm saying. This is from Jim Cornette's house who had a VCR before Jim. This is from Mr. Gordon's, the Gordon Film Collection. Anybody who follows me on... on the tiktok or the instagram knows all about him uh today's tape is going to be from the gordon film library may 20th 1993 the last episode of cheers aired you were there booker you were there anyway
One of the commercials is for the China Syndrome. Okay. Do you know this movie? Jane Fonda, Jack Lemmon. I'm familiar with it. I don't believe I've seen it. Michael Douglas. It's excellent. It's great. the uh and it's i don't know the guy's name i should i should commit it to memory but it's the voiceover guy you know that we grew up with sure in a world that guy oh yeah and it starts off it just says the china syndrome
it's not about china and i'm like of course they have to put that in yeah yeah people are gonna be sitting there thinking the gloves are gonna explode that the cops are running all over raw that they're like why would i want to watch a boring movie about china it's like no no no it's not about china Oh, man. Did you see? I saw this morning. I haven't had time to...
make contact with Casey Corbin, but they announced that All Out is going to be in Toronto. Oh, shit. But I don't, unless some things change for me, I don't think that I'm going to be able to go. When is that, August? No, September. September 20th, I think, is the date on it. I mean, I'm going to be working a lot. Yeah. So I feel like September... No, I'll be in St. Louis the weekend before that. Yeah. Yeah, the fall is going to be pretty jacked for me.
because then it's because then you know i was feeling this uh yesterday i almost texted you because uh i was in central pa all weekend snakes aren't awake yet though right it's a little too early in the season for uh i didn't see any okay i didn't see any okay And the guys out there who like going hunting, they didn't even see any turkeys. So, so a lot of ticks, a couple of my buddies, my one buddy pulled a lot of ticks off of them, off of himself.
Well, they're out in the fucking woods all goddamn day. I'm just... I don't know what to think about it. I sit by the fire and there you go. Contemplate. And there is... I'll get to this in a minute. But the... Why did I bring this up? You almost texted me. The fall is going to be crazy. Thank you. So I...
I was supposed to leave at 6 p.m. My flight was supposed to fly out of Philadelphia International and land at 9 p.m. Okay. That... did not happen uh that was one of those deals where they were on the plane we're all set i fell asleep oh no uh Like 90 minutes later, I didn't even realize we hadn't even taken off yet. Oh, Christ. And then they're like, there's something wrong. Y'all need to get off the plane and we're going to find you a different plane. Okay. And so then I wind up.
getting back here at the crib at like 1 30 in the morning okay go to bed monday morning alarm goes off i'm up i'm getting dressed getting the getting cactus jack ready for school we're off to the races but when i was um i was getting dressed i was like hey man all of a sudden i hear triple h triple h's voice in my head just like you're home you're tired Your work just started. Now you gotta be super dad. Now you gotta be super husband. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it's all good. It's all good. Old H.
Triple H. And then you said we'll get to this in something else. Oh, thank you.
so this cabin i mean uh last time i was there was two years ago and they had finally pulled the trigger and they'd put in wi-fi which i couldn't believe okay couldn't believe it you know you still can't make a phone call but like you can at least get on spotify and listen to jimmy buffett if you want and uh this year i walk in i didn't even i didn't even notice it i walked through the main room and this is a small little cabin i walked through this main room
10 times before i like out of the corner of my eye i was like what the fuck is this there's a fucking flat screen tv on the wall i'm like my god in heaven you didn't even see it you know the amount of time i've been in that place you just there's a wall there you know you don't even i don't think i'm going to be looking at an empty wall yeah So, of course, Friday night, people are trying to watch the Knicks and Celtics. Halftime hits, and I'm like...
Let's see if I can find SmackDown real quick. A little halftime heat for the fellas. Yeah. And then, you know, of course, it's not just a matter of changing channels. It's like... i gotta find all right what app am i in what okay i gotta download this how do i sign in but by the time it all got going My buddy Steve is just like, you got five minutes. And I'm like, okay. So I go to Peacock. I'm like, what can I find? I'm like, I have to have wrestling on. Five minute match. They, to their credit,
It ain't enough, but to their credit, it was something. They have on Peacock the top five Sabu moments that is about seven minutes long. um you know so okay you know 40 year career we can give them seven minutes on peacock fine And it's going through the top five. And I'm like, this is just excellent. Because I'm surrounded by non-wrestling fans. Some people don't even, you know, what is this?
and seeing some of the triple jumps and i mean it was getting some big reactions in the room sure people stop what they were doing i'm like just give me five minutes sabby will get the whole thing over but then one guy comes in this one guy vince when i tell you this guy was complaining about everything all weekend this guy was complaining oh casey plug your ears earmuffs casey earmuffs This guy's complaining about the music. He goes, the best music was in the 70s.
in some of the early 80s and then he hits us with this he goes but once rap showed up i'm like uh-oh uh-oh uh-oh And then, so I'm like, all right, he likes 70s, early 80s. I throw on Van Halen. this guy goes i think this is the most overrated band in history what do you like yeah what what does what do you like yeah Likes Bruce Springsteen. Likes, names a couple other things. Leonard Skinner. Oh, okay. And then goes, and REO Speedwagon. I always list those last because
People always give me shit about REO Speedwagon. I'm like, dude, then let's listen to some Speedwagon. Yeah, relax, my dude. Relax! Where's he from? Boston? That's a good question.
He was rooting for the Knicks, but I don't know if it was about any... thing other than geographic situation there and so lives out in san jose bay area type of thing i don't know okay a little bit older than us but like like was one when he's like so how do you how do you know these guys and i was like oh well me and the we all went to college together and he's like so what so when did you guys graduate college like late 80s I'm like, oh no, 2001. I'm like, I don't know why.
it's late 80s like late 80s i'm like i graduated college in 2001 and i'm 45 years old sir so i don't know what what you mean i don't know all of those anyway so he comes in and he loves samu oh boy i mean and he sat down right next to me and i was like i have no time for that It was truly interesting because it's the first time in a long time that I have been face-to-face with a non-believer, with a denier.
hater and uh and a hater and i i had no interest and it's funny i really noticed i was like god i have no interest and no time in because i was just like i just i just these guys are reacting to sabu i just want them to at least see the number one
moment and of course the number one moment is him and fucking terry funk wrapped up in barbed wire rolling around those guys these guys are out there trying to shoot bambi in the face so they can't they can't believe what they're seeing coming out of philadelphia folks overrated but i mean he's just like he's like oh god this day you actually like this stuff and i my buddy steve heard the tone of my voice i just go yeah i fucking love it just like that
And he's like, oh, but it's so fake looking. It's so fake looking. I go, everything on TV is fake. Please, please. I just want them to see the number one moment of Sabu. Can you go make yourself a sandwich? But yeah, you know who's going to win. Like, you know, back in the day, Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold Steve Austin, you always knew who's going to win. Like, you know who's going to win, don't you? I'm like, do I know who's going to win? No, I don't.
unless it's like hogan and orndorff on a tuesday in the spectrum you know you're the belt main acting chance but uh but uh and it's funny i you know i was just like look at look at sabu and steve kind of popped in he's like well you know it's not about who wins it it's about the whole thing he he's like macarthe has no no no no no desire to talk about this
Help me with this, Matt. What is it, Vinny? How did we get to a stretcher match for Mark Briscoe and Ricochet on Sunday? Did I miss did i miss an element of this angle did somebody take out on a stretcher it just seemed like mark was take a ricochet shit and was like let's wrestle and then it became a stretcher match but i i very well may have missed something I don't have an answer for you. Is a stretcher match when they... What, like?
Does he have to be put in the ambulance? I think so. I think you got to get carted all the way out and the door's got to close, I believe. That's what I'm picturing in my head. I don't know why they would need to do that. There might be a maiming. The real question is, why do they have to put Mark on a stretcher and wheel him out in an ambulance? Because you know... Dude, you know what the real question is? Why last night on Raw if you unfocused your eyes?
that fucking um austin theory looked like daniel garcia because he had like the leather vest and the pants and his like When it first paneled, I was like, oh shit, that's fucking theory. If you unfocused your eyes, or you weren't wearing your glasses uh-huh you might you might have thought that uh the pride of buffalo was standing on the outside supporting fucking uh what's his dick against seamus but uh yeah um
Waller. Waller. Man, Sheamus can... I mean, like it needs to be said, but Sheamus can go. Sheamus is aging like a fine wine. I mean, nobody wants to buy his action figures, but... god damn totally and i'll say this i i find waller entertaining theory i can take or leave waller actually find entertaining um and because he is he's just a shithead but i really think he knows what he's doing you know it doesn't it's not like logan paul or something yeah um
I think they've been associated for too long. I can't picture Waller without him. I mean, he had the talk show, the promo segment, the Grayson Waller effect. Yeah. My phone thought I wanted to text somebody when I said that. It was like, to who? You've got somebody in your phone listed as shithead. Named Grayson Waller. Anyway. That's interesting. What's that?
that you love grayson waller no no i find him entertaining i don't i don't mind him i think he's like like even at the start of that match the way he was like he just looked like an idiot But in a way that you would expect that guy to look like an idiot now. Don't put him up for the IC title in two weeks, please. But like... uh you know i'm gonna throw this out there real quick i know we got a lot of world travelers who listen to the show including my man
Those airplane seats do a number on my fucking rear end. Is there like a cushion I should be traveling with or like a throw down a thing?
i don't know dude i just realized like i just shifted in my chair and i'm like god my fucking my tailbone is still sore it's a bit it's a bit inhumane those airplanes uh i don't know man i don't know what the answer is i just i i shift and move and I definitely take my wallet out of my back pocket and just try to, you know, so you're saying i shouldn't carry on my rock collection in my back pocket when i'm damn it i gotta check those bags
well we can't all be blessed with jesse pop's ass you know we don't all got the cushion for the pushing you know you wish you had a bass like jesse pop yeah that's the real bass god um Now, we're sitting on six matches for Sunday, the big double or nothing show, which is in Phoenix for whatever reason. We're sitting on four matches for Saturday, too. Don't forget. Oh, you're talking about the main event?
You want to talk about Central PA? They're going to be wrestling at the Yangling Center in Tampa. Yeah, I still just... It's hard for me. Center's main event being primetime. Yeah. Well, the only, which then also means it's on at five o'clock here, right?
uh well if you yeah if you have slang yeah slang oh that's what happened because i remember i was sitting there at some point and i was like i got a i got a new login on the sling and i'm like well i know burns is at a concert and i was like oh okay oh yeah yeah yeah that was that was me trying to And then cut to me on like Saturday or Sunday being like, I got to log out. I'm like, how the fuck do you log out of sling?
Yeah, they're going to be down there in Koharski country all weekend long. I don't think they're making it. I think he said they were going to Raw at a wedding or something, but he was going to make it to Raw. But yeah, the big... big series main event uh tatanka said he's going to be there are you serious yeah i mean you know they've been like bringing back that that like do you remember yeah yeah yeah
uh greg the hammer valentine program shirt i had on like an old it was a cover no program that was like from when they when that first one when they brought him back they just sold a t-shirt i can't believe they're bringing back to tonka I can't even picture. I don't think I've ever even seen him at a signing. I feel like he has. I can't picture what he looks like now. Yeah, I think he's a guy who's like,
who's pretty similar. He isn't, like, a lot different looking. Uh, Ta... Ta... Ta... Ta... Ta... Ta... Ta... Show me. Show me!
uh yeah i think i think he looks i remember seeing him like at a wrestle con or something he's pretty similar here we go oh yeah yeah you're gonna have no trouble with this guy is he fat nope and he's still got his wig he looks uh yeah he's tatanka baby now why can't i find all i can find is uh i put into talk in 2025 and all i'm looking at is different cards this is what i googled tatanka wwf today
And then went into images and like right away, there's one with him and Million Dollar Man. And then you click on that and you got him with Jim Duggan. There's one with Brett. Brett, who did not make it out to Casey's stand-up show. That's on him, dude. That's big time on him. That's what we're going to call the Calgary Screwjob. That's right. Brett screwed Casey. We still love him.
Is this him today? Yeah, he looks the same. Yeah, man. Looking pretty good. He'll be down. Wait a minute. That fucking hairdo is insane. It looks great. This is ludicrous. What are you talking about? He's combing it up. He's got an updo. It looks like CM Punk on some nights. What are you talking about? He does. He looks like CM Punk.
this is but like if you like like i'm just saying in terms of like pretending he doesn't have a pompadour if his head was shaped like that like if he had a fred rosser dome like alienation like that Oh, before we continue talking about this weekend, the Max Justice died. Did you hear about that? No. he was he was on his bike he got fucking laid out by a car Can you picture who I'm talking about? No. dude the guy from apw in beyond the mat who's like oh wait a minute
For real? Yeah. That guy, like, I'll see you outside, motherfucker. Thousand bucks says you don't show. I'm calling your ass out right now. Yeah. He got killed this week. what he was on his bicycle on his way to work he got fucking hit by a car Awful. That is awful, but... Max with two X's. Max. In case you're having trouble on Google. Max with two X's, justice. Yeah. There he is. Yeah. Mike Rayback. Thousand bucks says you don't show. This guy's real life job.
Something something for American Airlines. Mechanic. That's right, he was a mechanic. I wonder if he was riding his bike to the airport. He was, whatever city he was in, he worked for the city. He did some sort of utilities gimmick. Like they lowered the flags to have staff in town. bummer i know it's a bummer i know did you ever wind up at an apw show or you just were in correspondence with roland no no i i uh
Um, that's, I was straight up, you know, still just living in Michigan and I don't like it. And even at that point, I, i mean i was traveling to shows but mostly just like I mean, other than I went to the arena one time in 99, but anyway, I, yeah, I wasn't like, especially once I talked to him and then whatever I wasn't, I just didn't. Yeah. I never did.
he couldn't uh he couldn't convince you to stay keep away from the jack in the boxes i can't remember what i just know we talked you know i was trying to like trying to get in over there not as a wrestler but just like i'd like trying to maybe do merch or like just do something um But yeah, whatever our one or two conversations did not lead me west. I did not. Sure. Well, you're like Gladys. You can sniff. You're an unbelievable judge of character.
very quickly sniff out like this is this isn't good i also feel like This was at a point, because I also remember the summer between my two years of grad school, because I had gone to grad school just because I didn't, like, I was just sort of got to regular school and was like, what the fuck?
And so I found out I could go to grad school and get it paid for if I did a job at the university anyway. So like halfway through, I'm like, I remember like my dad and I went on a trip and the whole time I was like, I don't think I'm going back. He's like, you're fucking going back.
he's like you gotta finish he's like you got you got like a year left just go finish and it was in that time as well when that's probably when i'm like calling roll i'm calling whoever going like i gotta get out of here i gotta go so that also probably factored in i was like all right i better not split for fucking oakland or wherever the fuck that was
Yeah, Bay Area somewhere. Because Meltzer, obviously Meltzer used to go to those shows. I would not trust Vince McMahon. I think anybody who does trust him is being very naive.
uh yeah we got the oh god sorry no i was just gonna go back into well you got the big fucking uh you know this is gonna be paul's uh crowning moment they're gonna put it put the title on him national television and get the transitional uso uh I don't know what they're going to do with him, but it's time for Logan to shine, I think.
I, are you fucking around? I am, but I, but I wouldn't, I mean, I wouldn't put it past them. That's the thing. Did you see the thing with Kenny Omega? It's like, you know, the direction we're headed, like it won't be long. The main event of WrestleMania is going to be Logan Paul versus Mr. Beast. You know, he's like, that's where we're headed here. And it's like, well, you're not completely off base. He ain't wrong.
that i mean they're just lucky mr beast isn't a wrestling fan because they would they would bring him in an all heartbeat you shitting me and you know the bummer of it all is Obviously, Jey Uso sells a lot of shirts, apparently, and whatever, but like... Logan Paul would at least feel there's a lot more heat. He's got more heat. Oh, for sure. If you get him rolling out with a fucking belt on his shoulder.
The fucking heavyweight belt on his shoulder. That shit-eating grin. Yeah, I hate it. I shudder to think. but I'm afraid it could happen. And I don't know Saturday, but I'm just saying it. I think there's a point where Logan Paul has that fucking belt. Because, I mean...
Because then what? Because then on Monday, whoever wins that match has Gunther to deal with. Gunther. And he's always... I don't think he's half a babyface most of the time, but I mean, especially when he's slapping the shit out of fucking uh coal and uh Uh, McAfee. Well, this will be a way to turn him. If it ends up being him and Paul. I mean, if it's him and Paul, everybody's going to be on Gunter's side. By the way, still waiting to see how McAfee versus Gunter led to Gunter versus Goldberg.
Well, Goldberg is just addressing Instagram comments to people who clearly have never listened to the show and never will. Goldberg's just buying his time, old Billy boy. But I think... uh yeah and then obviously rollins has already kind of poked his nose in there and i mean that's that's the direction i mean it's like jay god bless him but it's just the the entrance is he's the entrance hurts him i feel because
there's no you can't follow up it's it's almost like um i'm trying to think of an equivalent of like somebody who's It's almost like Gangrel or some shit where you're just like, This entrance is the best thing about you. And now there's nothing you can do in the match that's going to top the entrance. and i'm not even saying like jay is bad or anything he's not he's fucking an unbelievable athlete and he's and he's become a star he's not yeah
I mean, I think the two things that work against him is one, calling himself main event Jey Uso. Yeah. And it's like, okay, just still waiting for you to be in a main event. But the other thing of it is, is the goddamn... The entrances to... That's all people want. That's all people want. He was in the main event last night. On Raw? Yeah, well, it's a main event. I mean, you can't... I mean, WrestleMania main event is WrestleMania event, but there's plenty of main events throughout the year.
But I'm just fucking with you. You... old jay uso we love him um but uh i just wouldn't be utterly shocked if logan paul under some nefarious circumstance uh took the uh well and there WWE is loving the fact that uh Whenever it was last summer, whatever they had fucking Jalen Brunson and Tyrese Halliburton involved in their garden show, because now those are the kind of the two guys from the Eastern Conference. that are about to go head-to-head, and they've been milking that.
Well, I mean, fuck, who's the guy in the Celtics that just ripped his knee apart? Oh yeah, um, Tatum. Bring him in. He already did the stretcher match. bring him in have him fucking you know he can be on the cat he can be on the crutches just like uh brian pillman have uh have some have some motherfucker you know pillmanize the other leg Yeah, so Jey Uso and Logan Paul. That's a big match for Saturday. What else they got on Saturday? CM Punk and Sami Zayn versus Seth Rollins and Braun Breaker.
i guess you know just gearing up Trying to get some matches in, get some reps in before he makes that big trip to Saudi Arabia to suck a big bag of blood money. No, they already took him off. They already took him off. Big bag of blood money. They had him on the thing and now he's off the thing. He must have pled his case. He's like, I'd love to go. I couldn't wait to be there. I've heard great things about the beaches. It would really look bad for me.
One Bill Phil, going to get out there soon enough. Where are they doing Crown Jewel? It's not in Saudi Arabia this year. It's in where? I don't know. El Salvador? Am I hearing El Salvador? They're doing it in the Gaza Strip. uh let me see this year's crown jewel is um it was strange because it's like oh you're just pretending like it's a um regular jewel on the ground right uh perth they're they're going to australia in october for crowd jewel excuse me fun so is that still gonna be a um
I wonder if it's in Australia. Is it still a WrestleMania level like show? Oh, well, you gotta do it. You gotta do it. Well, we'll see when we see the card. Maybe that's when they're saving old Billy Goldberg for. Yeah, why are they not doing it? When are they going to Saudi Arabia again? I saw there somewhere. Yeah. Interesting. Curious. Because I saw a thing that was like that Phil had been advertised and then taken off the advertisement.
Night of Champions, June 28th in Riyadh. So that's interesting. So then what does that mean? Premium live event. So, I mean, are they just going to run out of fucking in your house in Saudi Arabia this year? That's pretty fucking funny. Well, I mean, but you have to think about it this way. you know if initially saudi arabia was asking for wrestlers who weren't even alive anymore um idea that night of change you know it's like well we're having this is all champions this is this couldn't be a
Crown Jewel's fine, but Knight of Champions, this is all champions. This is going to be unbelievable. It's going to be... And we're going to have John Cena over there? He's going to be a champion? Maybe. We don't know if John Cena's available because he's a very busy man despite being the champion. He's very busy. He'll be there. I'm just looking at the... The gimmick. The Wikipedia page on it.
Interesting to think that... this the 10-year partnership where we're halfway through we're halfway there we are halfway through baby my god um yeah so what all right so then there that's match number two or maybe i'm no maybe i'm maybe i'm wrong maybe you're fucking tripping because i'm just looking at the saudi vision 2030.
project 2030 because they've been there for a lot longer than 10 well what i've my recollection longer than five years my first recollection of course is um the uh the greatest raw rumble ever yeah that's right and it was pretty fucking great over to the head gum studio that day weren't we We sure were. That was some of the hardest I've ever laughed and was legitimately the closest I've ever been to passing out from lack of oxygen. It was okay. Let's not pretend like Titus looked that bad.
I was the damnedest thing I've ever seen in my life. It looks like... The first event... I mean they had been doing Why is... Oh, I'm looking at house shows. Okay, so that was 2018 was the greatest Royal Rumble. And so that was presumably the beginning of the... The 10-year deal, right? For the big bag of blood money? I suppose. I suppose. I mean, God damn. That deal's probably been massaged and reworked. You know what I mean? You think Nick Khan lets that deal slip away?
Nah, dawg. This is a hell of a little format show. You gotta admit that. Oh, I can't wait. Do you know what the real main event is? John Cena versus R-Truth? That's right. That's the big match on the card. Because R-Truth, I feel like he's going to not want to do it. He's going to be a little reluctant. There is, I mean, you want to talk about... long-term storytelling like for real for real accidental but yes accidental long-term storytelling this is um I mean when John Cena first turned heel.
i'd say the first person like once once the initial shock wore off the first person i thought it was like oh my god r-truth check on truth yeah This is... It's going to be... I mean, I'm trying to think of... This might be the match of R-Truth's career. I'm trying to think back to, like, you know, the Ron Killing days and the Kay Quick days.
And nothing is jumping out at me in particular, but like, obviously his heel run in WWE is, is, very fondly remembered on this program i mean i don't even think sandman smoked a cigarette on wwe tv let's be honest i mean when he was going out into the crowd and like you know
harassing little jimmy and then all of a sudden little jimmy became this ghost that followed him around i mean who knows but this is tremendous heel cena baby face r-truth and it is i do believe it's gonna be you know he doesn't it's it's gonna be a um this is such a Interesting story for a... a wrestling match because it's it it it hearkens back to the Magnum TA, Mr. Wrestling 2, Bruno, Zabisco, like the teacher and the student, the master and the apprentice.
type of type of relationship type of dynamic you know you think about a guy who grew up watching the other guy uh-huh and uh the only reason they're not trying to fucking figure out how to work this thing all the way to the next mania is seen as retiring you know this thing this thing should really go a full year to mania But unfortunately, Cena has already announced his final match.
I'm very excited about this match. Oh, yeah. Without even having watched it, I feel like it already has a star rating. I mean, this is a fucking... How long is... center's main event two hours sounds right couldn't say this is a jam up four match card right now then you know they're going to add there's there's got to be a women's match they're adding
but um yeah probably um this is a four match hanger here probably follow up on like roxy joining or being associated with judgment day or something or um Maybe a Money in the Bank qualifier. Jesus Christ, you see fucking what's-her-name's knee? Zoe Stark. Dude, what the fuck? No, thank you. bro i thought she could just land on her fucking feet like that uh I don't know. Well, this is a jam up little card. Especially thinking about the fact that...
you know, the next, the next day, Tony's going to put on one of his seven and a half hour productions. And I'm like, You're starting at fucking five. It's Sunday, man. Come on. That's not what we do anymore. You're starting at five in the West. Come on. That's Memorial Day weekend. That's old hat. Just because people don't got to go to work on Monday. Allegedly. Hopefully. Hangman Will Osprey. Booyah, Tribe. Second Malapalooza, second stage.
fucking unbelievable that's gonna be hype squad jamie hater versus money come on money money who's moving on oh no that's the final that's the own cup final But then it's, Who then takes on Tony Storm at All In? And it feels like it's gotta be money. That's the biggest match you got. They've been building up money since the moment she walked in the building. You ain't just a whistling Dixie there.
Hurt Syndicate and Dustin Rhodes and Sammy Guevara. Guevara! I still just can't even look at the guy. I just don't. I'm just like, I thought we had moved on from this. I'm always stunned every time he shows up. I'm like, are you? hurt or retired or like go be a father Yeah, totally super dad. Go be super husband. Yeah, go be super husband. You gotta be super dad.
you know you know let let let dustin rhodes uh you know they got any number of guys over there that would be a great tag team partner for the fucking natural you know if you couldn't be super fiance to the first girl you know at least go be super husband to the to the second girl you know At least we'll be able to enjoy keeping an eye during this match on whether Shelton Benjamin wants to sell for Sammy or not. That'll be something to watch. Timeless versus Mina.
i mean they probably wrestle a thousand times if they've wrestled once this is going to be uh old hat to them so that should be good Oh, that'll be great. Mina needs to keep an eye on that dancing though. That's, that's really costing her time. That's what, that's what fucked her up in Ontario. It's what's going to fuck her up in, uh, where are they? Double or nothing in Arizona? Arizona.
right outside in the shadow of phoenix glendale the desert diamond arena that is a terrible name for a place the desert diamond FTR versus Daniel Garcia and Nigel McGinnis. How about old Nigel being pushed too far? Oh, Nigel dusting off the ring boots again. Good lord, man. And as previously discussed... Oh, Marky Briscoe and the Ricochet in a stretcher. Matt! According to Wikipedia.
A stretcher match is a hardcore match where a wrestler must incapacitate their opponent to such an extent that they are able to get them onto a stretcher and roll them to the finish line for the victory. Okay. so i guess what we were talking about is an ambulance match was well yeah yeah unless the ambulance was the finish line but uh and then and then and then you hop in the driver's seat of the ambulance you go where to stephanie
How about Gabe Kidd? Dude, that's all I wanted to talk to you about. Anarchy in the arena? Bro. Well, that's exciting. i'm very excited about that Is he bound for AEW? When's this New Japan deal up, I wonder? I don't know, but I feel like it might just be more of a, you know, this talent sharing. No, for sure it is, but I mean, it's one of those deals where you're like... What benefit does New Japan get out of it?
Do they get more eyes on their product because of it, or do they just wind up losing top guys, you know? Well, I mean... I would assume if you're New Japan, you're thinking like, the first part you're not thinking like you're like oh people are going to want to watch our shit but also you know they just aw just threw them some people for super juniors i think you know at this point it's just like
it's what we're doing and yeah you know until someone goes like oh wait a minute you know what seems to be happening here our guys go over there and then they kind of never come back and they stay I mean the thing of it is in the reverse
You know, the opposite of it would be like Takeshita needs to be in New Japan. Be the fucking top guy there. But the other thing we don't know is I mean, I would have to assume Gabe Kidd is on the team, but we don't know who exactly are the teams for the Anarchy and Arena because, you know... You hate to see Wheeler Uta not get his day in court there. Well, you always need your J.J. Dillon, your Wheeler Uta, the weak link. But it's also interesting that it seems like they may include the women.
uh yeah that would well because they'll be off in some corner of the concourse, you know, with their cans of gasoline and, you know, garbage cans. Yeah. The vat of nacho cheese. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, for sure. Um... Oh, oh, what was the other thing that happened? Oh, fucking he made it to the top of Mount Everest. oh yeah yeah unbelievable he sure did i was i my concern um was that he was gonna do a coffin drop off the peak yes but also you know because
in looking into it, like going down is sometimes worse. Yeah. Because you're like, you're exhausted. The weather might change, whatever, whatever. So it's like going down is equally or more dangerous. so i'm like is he down do we know that he's down i don't know that he's down like let's celebrate that he got up there but like can we just find out is the mother down my understanding was is that he would have been at um A base camp on Sunday or Monday. Okay.
And I don't know what that means in terms of how much longer you got to get down. Yeah. Because, I mean, it's kind of insane. Like, you can sprain an ankle and fucking die up there. You know what I mean? Yeah. What's got to be insane is you've got these guys on the rest of his team who have been up there a dozen times, and then they're looking at this kid who's bringing a skateboard with him.
right which also sheds a little more light on in that video i was like i'm not doing it again like i did right but i'm not i'm not doing it again right fucking unreal i mean christ i go and do stand-up comedy in salt lake city and i'm like holy fucking shit i'm done and he was he was kind enough to hit the diamond cutter up there for his buddy ddp so that was cool I mean, when he finally comes back down, yeah, hopefully he makes it. And then, you know, he probably wrestles later that night.
They need to alter his titantron instead of it just being the cartoon of the kid skateboard. It needs to be the Mount Everest and then just him, like an animation of him jumping off the top.
type of thing and then they also need to be like for a while then you'd be like ever since he came back his wind he's had incredible you cannot tie your mouth because he's been at such an altitude that can no longer even begin to wear this guy out that's right excalibur really needs to to push that they're like that's he's a superman now
He's got to get a tattoo of Mount Everest somewhere on the gimmick now, right? He's got to get a tattoo. He probably already got it up there. He probably got, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He brought a tattoo kit with him up to the top, yeah. Hey man, I'm not doing it again. Big time. Fucking ridiculous. Outrageous. What else happened? I'm trying to think. Well, we had the beach break, the beach blast, whatever it was called. Beach got broken, definitely. The beaches were broken, man.
Today is the 20th. Sure is. So I'm looking for the 32nd anniversary of Cheers going off the air. I can't even believe. I'm saying that out loud. It's like when Johnny Carson retired, the idea, and of course I'm 12, but the idea that like, oh my God, this guy's been on TV for 30 years. That's crazy.
and now it's been longer than that that he's it was off the air and i'm like i guess this is what happens when you get old oh that's that was the reminder i needed so uh hot little start to smackdown with our new friend thank you for joining our tour of the islands i'll be your tour guide jc mateo yeah so tell me about smackdown i didn't see any well our old buddy jeff cobb is now jc mateo right
So that was cool. JC Mateo. I assume the JC stands for Jeff Cobb. I guess, but it's either Jeff Cobb or Jesus Christ. Either way, maybe just one more around the table of possible names for me. I mean, here's the deal, right? His name is Jeff Cobb. Yeah. And they love when somebody is an athlete outside of the fucking gimmick. You know? Sure. So why, where did this Mateo bullshit come from? Yeah, I don't rightly know.
and also the idea that it's like he was in the fucking olympics so isn't that there they want to hype that up i mean how long i mean is it just the bloodline breaks up and then He goes to me and Jeff Cobb again. It almost makes me feel like a... Who is the woman that Vince McMahon was obsessed with who she dressed like a Southern Belle?
oh yeah um yeah and then as soon as as soon as vince was gone it was just like well why don't we just like She's somebody that when you hear about her story, you're like, oh, this is legitimately interesting. and they're just having her do a fucking 1986 i'm a southern lady gimmick and it's like i am revolting yeah and then finally they fucking pulled the trigger on her just being like oh okay i'll just be the the military woman who got out of a bad situation and you know
Single mom, winner, not a quitter. Why not call him Matanza? Call him JC Matanza for God's sakes, right? Yeah, I mean, it's just weird because you just never know the how or the why of when they're going to be like, no, we don't want you using your real name. No kidding. Lacey Evans. You can, you can't.
um right but uh i mean happy for him because i was also seeing like you know the stats aren't great for somebody who's like over 40 or whatever getting signed for the first time and i guess he i don't know how old he is but i guess he must be unless i was tricked by the internet would be the first time that happened man did you get tricked by the internet again dude let's see I'm trying to think of... 42. No shit. Yep. He looks great.
Well, yeah. And I love that fucking... I love LA Knight still in the mix. Let's not lose LA Knight all the way, please. He is fast approaching, you know. I don't know what territory he's fast approaching, but he's approaching very fast. Aleister Black got a big DQ win over Carmelo Hayes. Strong. Oh, and fucking... Goddamn Rusev. Rusev day. He's going to tear apart Tozawa already dead. Kozawa better look the fuck out!
Because he's another one who squandered his talents and allowed himself to be put in a corner and Rusev won't have it. Heading to the abyss. You remind me of myself. Just a waste. Just an absolute waste. Oh, shit. You know, what's funny is I started listening to the beginning of some observer radio, and when they talked about Max Justice, Dave mentioned he's like well I saw him wrestle you Brian uh when we when we first met it was like a battle royal or something
and uh he was like you you chopped him pretty hard and people that i was sitting with were like oh oh man he's gonna give brian a receipt and brian was like this this is what really made me laugh he goes well brian was like no i you know he didn't uh no we were fine
super dragon beat the shit out of me though he's like you know a lot of people don't know i spit on max justice and he thought it was a different guy he thought it was this other guy he thought it was this other dude up in the balcony he wanted to throw him off the balcony
Then he's like, I'll make you outside in 10 minutes. You know, a thousand bucks says you don't show. I fucking showed up. I showed up my abs. He fucking pissed his pants and left. Gave me a thousand dollars. I went inside and did my interview with Barry.
fucking wrestling's the best dude man ain't no doubt about it yeah all i saw from smackdown was um there was a clip of a dude during the bloodline entrance right on the corner against the railing who was dressed like basically dressed like every member of the bloodline at once like he had you know his his hair was reminiscent of of uh the the werewolf He had the glasses and it's like, okay, these are like a Jey Uso type glasses. He had the...
What's the gimmick called with the red, you know, that the tribal chief wears? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Can I tell you every single time I'm about to say... uh kata hajime oh the fucking the taz mission get out of here that's what i want to call it the olafala But when they were coming down, he started doing, it was like he turned into, you know how when you're playing a wrestling video game, you can hit a button and it does like the signature like emote.
he was running through every single one where he's just like he's he's doing like the prayer hands then he's doing like the bouncing up and down it was incredible it was like these videos that are going around every time it comes up on my feed i send it to you there's always some parent dropping off some kid at school or they're like at graduation or at a sporting event on the on the bench and they just turn look and they just start going zero It's sweeping the nation. It's so satisfying to see.
you know even though he fucking lost on fucking raw because he's a loser oh oh the shines off the fucking new toy i guess Uh-oh, Pentagon! No, Grande Americano. Up. I think he's got a fucking loaded lucha mask. We know he's got a loaded. We know he's loaded. He's got a loaded lucha mask. Why don't you pontificate on that for just a moment while I use the banyo? Hey, man, I'm fine with that. Thank God he's gone. Um... Professional Wrestling.
It's gotta be the greatest thing in the world. Yeah, you know. that dude sat down next to me he's like oh it's so fake i'm just like i can't get into this with you sir but of course for about 30 or 40 minutes that's all i was thinking about later that day later that night of all the things i could have could have said should have said would have said um but the the argument because once he got started getting into the whole um
I mean, you know who's going to win. I'm like, I don't. I really don't. There are obviously matches where we're like, you know, there ain't no way R-Truth is beating John Cena, right? But, and I've said this before, I'm like, Am I going to stop going to the movies because I know Keanu's not going to die at the end? You know? What's the point? What's the point of anything? You know?
Oh, I want to see who wins. Well, you know who's going to win. I have a pretty good idea of who's going to win. I still want to see how it happens. I said, like, show me... Actually, I was about to say, show me the James Bond movie where he dies at the end. Okay. They just made one. But any other movie, you know? And that's, I don't know. People get hung up on the weirdest shit.
Oh, Vince is back. Are you in the mix on Sunday, dude? Should I get some pheasant under glass and order some grape juice? Um, I feel like... That can definitely be happening. A couple of bundt cakes and some grapes and that. Saturday, I'm doing the, have you seen this on my socials? Jody Sweeten? Yeah, I'm somehow doing a show that is hosted by Jody Sweeten. and then sunday i'm free and clear i mean i don't know what um
what the family might have planned. And then obviously Jack has no school on Monday. Well, hey man, let's, you know, you keep, keep in touch, keep me posted. I'll see if I... Yeah, I feel like during the day, I mean, it's going to start at 5? Yeah. I feel like that works for me. I mean, the only other thing is... It should be done by 1, 2 a.m.
At certain points over this weekend, I'm going to be going to see that Lilo and Stitch and that Mission Impossible. Strong. And that goddamn... new new jurassic park this summer a lot of big a lot of heavy hitters coming to the big screen it is so funny to me i just recently canceled my amc like
stubs or a list or whatever the fuck it was the one where you're paying every fucking month to go see a movie three times a week and you're like when the when the fuck am i gonna go to the fucking movies three times this week uh and now there's actually movies that i'm like okay we're gonna go
anyway wow yeah that's good that's good news for you it's great news for me though did you i'm guessing you didn't see that the on the wwe vault on youtube they released all this like um, footage of, uh, Andre the Giant no it's just like him in an airport or him you know like it's just all this Oh, Feinstein wishes he was holding that luggage that he sold.
yeah there's just like all this strange footage of him like on the street and really it's pretty cool it's like uh let's see yeah it's like like 25 minutes you know awesome andre footage there's some you know some in-ring stuff you know he's right he'd be right here with um with um Yeah, that's good.
All kinds of fun stuff to check out over there. I love going on... Oh! I'm just looking at everything they posted recently on the channel. Yeah. They fucking finally... I think I've been looking for this. What was this from? Oh, this is from the 1992 Battle of the Superstars home video. The Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper versus Ric Flair and Sid Justice from 92.
I also love their WCW channel because they always have a live stream going on. Right. Who do we got going on here? Oh, yeah. This is good stuff. But anyway. Hey, check it out if you like. Yeah, no, I'm just going to sit down and spend some time with Andre. I should show this to Jack because he has always had a, since he was small, I managed to give him this gift of a fascination with Andre the Giant. Why not?
He would always ask, like, the two questions. He doesn't ask about Andre so much anymore, but it still comes up. But, like, the two questions anytime wrestling would come up, he would ask is, are they dead? sure he's not alone in that yeah a lot of people anytime i mention anybody to be fair it's not just wrestling anytime i mention anybody he goes oh are they dead and the other one is um Are they as big as Andre the Giant?
and sometimes the answer is yes sometimes the answer is no to whether or not they're dead but are they bigger than andre the answer is always no right now pray not son Socks, bud. uh vince yes i gots to know who's your favorite wrestler I think I got to go Chris Candido because in my travels around that have continued around Sabu, I have once again found myself back. And a little bit of a Candido thing. And I was... Did you listen to Lance talk about him on Observer Live?
they spent a good chunk of time him talking about Sabu and then him and Chris wrestling against him he had this fucking oh god what was the story just uh just great fucking stab you should listen to that okay yeah um it's not long they don't spend the whole show on it What about you, Matt? You got a favorite wrestler? I do, because also in my deep dives into Sabu this past week, Too Cold Scorpio.
Because they had that match at the Cyber Slam 1995. Mm-hmm. It might be Two Cold's best match. I don't know if it's... Two Cold's also awesome. Oh, my God. I don't think it's Sabu's best match. I don't know if I could quantify what Sabu's best match is. But... it's too cold i was just like man especially ECW, two colds. Yeah. Mid-90s. Fucking. Yeah.
it's always kind of a fucking like he could obviously could move move midair do anything but like he always kind of had a gut yeah you know he was always just kind of a dude yeah uh and also like i remember you know i think i don't know if the first time i saw him was actually in wwf or something because i just remember i i vividly remember like seeing him in wwf and being like wow this is like oh you know yeah yeah
um also funny i one of these clips i saw with sabu where they're doing like a kind of like a word association or whatever they're like who's the biggest that you know those are the best and they're like who's who's like who's the biggest um I think this was, I don't know if it was in wrestling where, but something like who's the biggest dick or whatever. And he goes, he goes, ah, I'll probably never see him again. Michael Hayes.
He's like, he's a tattletale. He's like, you know, he would be like, why don't you do this or whatever? And I'd be like, no, that's stupid. And then Vince would be like, I heard you're afraid to do a spot. And he's like, I'm not fucking afraid to do it. It's fucking stupid. whatever like and he's like that was my idea he's like well i'm sorry it's stupid like it was a steal where they wanted to come come down and bring like pull all the tables out first
He's like, I use a table if it's there. I'm not just going to bring all the tables out to begin with, whatever. But he was just like, Michael Hayes is an asshole. Oh, that's hilarious. That's so fucking funny. Yeah. Vince, where can the kids find you online? At Vince Averill on Twitter, Vince.Averill on Instagram.
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