Well, hello there. Welcome, friends and foes, heels and babyfaces, to the one-stop shop. Stop and make your body drop. It's the place. For the back flop, it's the We Watch Wrestling podcast. I'm a wonderful darling redheaded bearded host wrestling Matt McCarthy with me. Always professional wrestling encyclopedia. Mr. Vince Averill. He is I and I is him. What's up, dude? A little under the weather, but I'm still here. Well, hello there.
Yeah. I was going to say Vince has either got a little sniffle or he overdid it last night or maybe he overdid it last night with the sniffling. Who knows? No, I, uh, I don't, I don't know if it's a, um, a parting gift from Vegas or not. I'm trying to think of the timeline of when it, when it kicked in for me, but it's also, it's funny how I feel like. I just always get the same thing though.
It's always like, Oh, my throat's a little weird. Oh, my chest is like tight and whatever. And then I'll, I'll probably have some form of this cough for. three weeks or something that's what it seems like the normal thing for me is and i sound horrible i don't feel nearly as horrible as i sound you sound beautiful well i don't know one would even say sexy if you're into that kind of thing but you know yesterday 20 years gone Chris Candido
So because I fucking love Chris Candido, I spent some time watching some Chris Candido matches. But the thing that never really occurred to me... But his actual name escapes me, Violent Miracle.
uh who would go to pwg shows um but ran that account um runs that account whatever uh he was like you know imagine if candido had gone to wcw in 95 instead of wwf and it's like holy you know like because then he would have been in there with the malencos and the benois and the and the luchas and all that and i and it just would have been who knows i mean because he is like severely underrated um but i also think whatever problems he may have had
they were certainly exacerbated by WWF. And maybe they would have been in WCW too, but I feel like he would have been, had a much better time there. Possibly. It sure seems like it. Is Sonny in jail right now? Definitely. I don't think she's getting out. I don't think she's getting out either. Yeah. But... And that was for the... The vehicular manslaughter, right? Right. But Candido, right? You've seen this guy wrestle that. And in fact, this is the second time.
that I have corrected. What Paul I wanted to do was talk about Sonny. This is the second time that I have corrected chat GPT. Cause I will now sometimes have a discussion with chat GPT. I was like, what do you think are. you know, some of Chris Candido's best matches. Right. And it tried to tell me that his match with Lance storm was at Russell Palooza 98. I was like, are you sure you don't mean heat wave 98?
And it was like, great catch. It actually was. He, you know, like, and there was another time I'm trying to think what it was. It might've been wrestling too, but where I fucking caught that bullshitter bullshit in me. Yeah. I, uh, Yeah, I try not to... i'll i'll use i don't like using it um It's been so wrong so many times.
that there were a couple of times i i i tried to correct it out of anger and then i was like why am i fucking helping this thing you know you're like should i shoot my should i shoot evermectin into my veins and it was like do it and you're like hold on yeah The only time I use it is... for for like to do a task you know where i'm like take this list and look at this other list yeah how many how many you know doubles are there
Oh, that's it. Listen, I, I got, cause there's nothing, I'm not, I'm not cheating on anything with, with chat GPT. So I'm like, you can have it fucking write a nasty letter. You can fucking, I'll have it. I'll, I'll just sit there and be like. give me a treatment for an episode of canon there when with the hot hot dog eating contest in it you know and then it'll just give me the beats of an episode of canon like that's all i'm doing dude or occasionally
I will ask it if it knows. For some wrestling? Some wrestling matches. And that, it seems to be a little above its pay grade. I know when we went to see fish, my buddy was like, I don't know. I asked chat GPT what it thinks fish is going to play tonight. It's completely inaccurate. Yeah. I feel like there's just, there's some areas.
that i'll use it to to to insult my like college friends i'll be like you know write a poem about steve in the in the the style of dr seuss yeah you know that type of shit definitely um Yeah, but anyway, yeah, Candido, man. Dude, we were, Glennis was walking Penny. This just happened. She ran into a woman in our neighborhood, and they just got to chit-chatting.
And she's like, they start talking about the industry. Oh, are you in this too? Yeah, I do voiceovers. Oh, me too. This woman did a job, a voiceover job in India that was based in India. They stole her voice. And started using it with AI. Yeah. And now she's in this huge lawsuit suing this fucking place, this company. I don't think she's suing all of India. I think she's just suing the production company, but. Jesus fucking Christ. It's funny because my buddy who...
He helped create some software that Amazon then bought. And so he stayed on. working there for a little bit um and i think it was around the time that the alexa thing was happening and it was like oh they're going to be listening to us he's like least of your concerns he's like they have your voice now ah you know that's that's the bigger concern and you know when when uh When the scammer calls your mom, when it's good old Maddie's voice on the other line saying.
I just need to get out of jail. Help me. I didn't even think about that. You're so fucking right. I goddamn. This is a wrestling podcast. Yeah, it is. This morning, I had to, I put myself on a do not call list. Like they just kept calling and I'm like.
trying to fucking block it do this that and then i find and then jack's like what was that and so i'm explaining to him like scammer calls and he's like you know you should do you should find them If I could find them, I'd slap them right on the face. that's what jack that's jack's solution he said like find with a d i thought you were saying find them like you were going to send them a bill like you're i'm finding you for calling and wasting my time fine he wants to find
Find and dish out some street justice. Just on the heels of being on Fox 11, this kid's already trying to swing dick. This kid is a big, big deal. Have we? Should we? I was trying to think of. What happened on SmackDown? And then I realized, I don't think I watched SmackDown because I was at Phish. Have we heard from Cody since his humiliating defeat at WrestleMania? I don't believe so.
They did the thing where he was on his way to his bus with Brandy and was kind of leaving me alone. I feel like everybody who lost in the singles... is is kind of uh taking a minute i mean am i a gunter obviously came back for a minute and then it's taking a minute but also that to me like i can't I mean, I was already going, what becomes of Gunter? His title reign was not phenomenal. And then he had to lose to a guy who was the entire time.
portraying myself as a loser and so his return bout will be against pat mcafee and i'm like against a uh a play-by-play guy i mean i don't care if you kicked in the nfl Like you're, you're supposed to have a match with the former world champion. Like, I know, listen, man, it's wrestling. It's wrestling in 2025, whatever. But I'm just like, okay, well.
The only thing I appreciated in that respect was when they came back from the commercial break and they were at the desk and that it was like, you know, His senses came back to him and Max was like, uh, yeah, yeah, I guess, uh, yeah, I'm fighting Gunther. Shit. Okay. All right. Yeah. Uh, okay. Yeah. I also like. I liked Dom trying to get time off with the substitute teacher. That was fucking amazing. That was amazing. He's like I'm the champ. I need some time off now.
But just the like, you know, like I remember when I fucking was a busboy at Big Boy, I fucking hated it so bad. And so a lot of times. the two brothers who were the managers, there'd be like a little window, a little window between the two of them, right? One would leave. And if, if the other one wasn't there yet, a lot of times I would just peel thinking I'll just, if it comes up, I'll be like, this one said it, you know, like even in seventh grade.
I was like, I'm not doing this shit. I'm like the fucking... Who's the guy from... who got caught in the gay bar and then he tried oh right right try to go straight and and the first day on the job he like he looks at his watch he's like it's only 11 a.m
he's like i can't fucking do this he just goes he goes back to new york he's like if they kill me they kill me i'm not fucking doing this that's right god that's right one of the greatest moments on that show the dude tried he tried to get a straight job and he was just like oh my god um I think the, the thing that I was like, it's so funny. They do that backstage with Dom and you've got the other two there, you know, live and Raquel. Yeah.
These idiots, like they, they, they push in, they zoom in. So it's just, all you see is Aldous and Dominic. And I'm like. If you're going to zoom in, at least live, at least leave, live in the shot because her reactions to everything that was happening. was what was making that like when she comes in she's just like she's like yeah he needs some time off
You know? And I'm like, now you've lost half of, cause Dom's not gonna, Dom is entertaining because he's just gonna stand there and like, like shit eat and grin at people. Right. But like Liv is gonna be mugging. and being like, you know, peacocking around. These dorks. And AJ is just going to be AJ. Oh my God. Because that was the other thing. AJ is literally standing there with his hands folded in front of himself. I'm like, he is so...
unnatural, uncomfortable, unbelievable. I'm like, and he cheated the camera. i'm like we we need to just they need a complete overhaul of of like the backstage like it's so contrived like at one point i'm like Because every time they went back before a commercial or out of commercial, and it's just Sami Zayn sitting there with a cameraman in his face, I'm like... So I'm supposed to believe like there's a cameraman who's like, I'm going to be filming this guy thinking for the next three hours.
it's funny uh that in the things that you know they sort of touted uh no pun intended after vince was gone you know where they started like you know fucking drone shotting into the arena people arriving they were following people from the backstage at whatever it's like They should have just fucking worked on the shit, the tropes that have existed forever, like the watching TV at an angle, the fucking, you know, these kind of things.
This guy's a general manager. He's doing this. I'm fining Gunther. Now he's suspended. We already talked about that. The match is going to be a backlash. That was one of the most exciting things about... Lucha Underground is because it. It finally answered the question of, do they know the camera is there or not? You know? And with Lucha Underground, it was like, no, this is...
A third eye point of view. This is the God camera. There's, there is no camera there. We just happened to see this happening. We're watching a show. But like, you know, for all of its problems, WCW and WWF used to do that. And they'll do it from time to time. They would at least do the, like the camera is like.
like peeking around the corner like like the like the the people producing the tv show are also tmz you know right right right right um Which I can dig because it's like, if you're going to compare it to like a... you know, a sporting event that's being televised. It's like the ESPN production is not involved with...
the front office of, you know, the New York Yankees. And like, well, we're trying to get it. We're going to, we're trying to talk to Billy Martin, but he's, he's blown us off. Right. And then the idea that, you know, the cameraman is like, zoomed in on billy martin's face for three hours while he's thinking or right it's like you like it would serve to to be
where it's like okay yes when billy martin is in his office after the game that's when the camera's there shit could still go down but it's like a set time and he's sort of there to talk to you and and if you know something disrupts that or whatever but like You aren't just going to be like their omnipresent waiting for something. Because I'm like, thank God people keep interrupting Sami Zayn while he's thinking. Right. This would be a terrible boring show. This would be a terrible segment.
be a terrible segment you know they only addressed it once that i can recall when like vicky guerrero was the gm and triple h shows up because of course triple h is you know god and uh she's like everything's going great everything's going great we've got this great main event and he's like yeah i saw that you know this guy's got into an argument and seg won so you you put him into a a match in the main event
I got one question, though. What were you going to do in the main event before those two guys started arguing? And it's like, that is wonderful. If it wasn't what's going to happen next week anyway, you know, if it isn't what happened the week before that. I don't know. I feel you, dog. Nitpicking. I enjoyed Raw very much. I enjoyed all the wrestling I watched this week. It is funny that there was a point in time
We cannot watch Orton and Cena wrestle again. You have to stop. You have to stop. And it's been long enough. It has been. Okay, all right, let's do it. And remember when they promoted it, this is the last time they're ever going to wrestle. so fucking funny they did that with sammy and owens too oh my god dude i remember that that's so funny i just thinking back like How many times are you going to put these guys together?
On a fucking pay-per-view stop. It is funny how this is what happens in wrestling. When enough time goes by, this is what happens in all culture. You know, I remember logging into TikTok one day. And this girl being like, if you grew up in this era, I am so jealous. She's like this teenager. And then it cuts back to all this. I know we have people who listen who's a lot younger than us. I won't get into the specifics because I'm sure you all love this fucking shitty music.
but it goes into all this fucking shit music from 15 years ago that I'm like, I couldn't fucking stand. I'm like, this music sucked then. And now it's been long enough that teenagers are nostalgic for it. They're like, I can't believe I missed out on this. Dude, nothing I love more than.
the meme of like you know a fucking strawberry shortcake dollar whatever and it's like if you remember this your childhood was awesome it's like yeah except you were getting fucking diddled by your baseball coach and your parents fucking hated you and you got beat up at school and what it's like shut the fuck up well it's like that line in uh in no country for old men where it's like when they stop saying ma'am and sir then it's all going to hell after that or whatever and i'm like
What are you talking about? Fucking these people suing priests for being touched fucking 60 years ago. You know, there's more ring boys coming out who are like, yeah, this actually happened under Vince senior. You know, it's just like. Get the fuck. Everything's been fucked the whole time. Sounds like you wouldn't try that in a small town, though. Oh, God. Yeah, nothing bad has ever happened in a small town.
we just have the internet now that's the big difference everything has always sucked except wrestling wrestling's better now than ever it just keeps getting better yeah i i can't uh i cannot tell a lie i i do wish that the card for new japan resurgence in ontario was a little more exciting since we have to drive to Ontario. Well, but you know, a lot of times they over deliver and that, you know, I don't even think Gabe kids on the fucking card. Really?
I mean, what are they doing? We don't have to do anything. What are they doing? Well, Jerry's coming all the way down. What are we gonna send Jerry by himself? jerry we need a full report you go there on your own you take yourself out to ontario if anything cool starts happening yeah let us know let us know the car after the fucking traffic dies down and we'll be there in about two Hours. Takeshita versus Phantasmo. You know, there's no reason that won't be good. It's going to be great.
Ishii versus Drilla Maloney. All right. You all right. Ishii's never bad. Mercedes Monet versus Azumi and Mina Shirakawa. That'll be great. You know, you got your boy Royce Isaacs and Jarrell Nelson taking on TJP and Templario. All right. okay okay i was wrong uh this actually is a little more interesting than i thought you're into it as i'm reading it yeah david finley gabe kid clark connors and ghetto
Oh, so Gabe Kidd is going to be there. I was wrong, and I'm happy I was. Versus the Young Bucks and two mystery opponents, which I'm assuming are Gallows and Anderson. You got old main card, Matt Vandergriff versus Fred Rosser. and a strong survivor match so you know i mean i guess the move is we just leave at like one in the afternoon get out there and have some lunch and whatever beat the traffic and uh we'll have a great night and then drive back in like fucking 40 minutes
so funny how that works it's the same uh there used to be a train that would take you from downtown and drop you off at angel stadium and then pick you up a half hour after and bring you back and they got rid of it that's just such a bummer dude you know like tigers are there this week i'm like I get, what am I going to leave at one in the end? I can't drive to Anaheim. I can't drive. I can't sit in traffic.
And I don't dislike Disney, but I got no business at Disney. It's not like, oh, I could just go to Disneyland. It makes no sense. They were in Anaheim. WWE was in Anaheim once. I don't remember. This was so long ago. But I drove down there to grab some DVDs from Johnny Russo. I was like, yeah, I'll make that. Oh yeah. I can fly down to Anaheim. No problem. Well, there was that summer when, um, When we still lived on Veselich and my brother was in town.
and uh him and i went to a baseball game and then went over to a ww house show and sat in the front row and the and the ring broke the uh one of the ropes broke Uh, I think it was like beef and valor or something. But, but also I remember from that night that Ronda Rousey got the most insane reaction of anybody on that entire show. But anyway. as it pertains to anaheim and wrestling shows that aren't wrestlemania 2000 Isn't it funny, Ronda Rousey, it reminds me of how the Logan Paul...
reaction is now. It's just like when she became just another wrestler on the roster, Logan Paul is certainly there. I just feel lucky that I was able to witness her on her boyfriend's lap canoodling on a plane. What's so funny is I had no idea that was them. I think, were you sitting on the other side? Were you behind them? I was next to the window. Maybe I was on the aisle, but like. Really, my main concern was that she had... A little kid with her. Right.
and uh all i all i clocked about her was just i was just like i was like wow this woman's hair is She just got out of the shower and it's like clearly air drying still. And it's so long. That's what it was. You were on the window next to me. I was on the aisle. They were on the front. They were in the front on the other side. And then Gnarly and Carloco were behind them. And I just kept clocking.
how long her fucking hair was they they kind of appeared from out of nowhere and i was like oh i didn't see these two get on and then they vanished just as quickly where was the sky marshal when there was a lap dance taking place on the plane
That's my only question. Well, my only concern was I was watching Evil Dead Rises, which I was like, I can't believe this is available on a plane. And I hope Vince doesn't look at the screen. Every so often I kept putting my hand up to block it either from you or from Ronda Rousey's kid. Cause I'm like, I can't ruin either of these people's days. Oh man. Um, Let me ask you this. Yes. I was reminded of the Brian Myers story when they went PG.
And nobody knew what that meant. And I forget who's in the ring. Probably Randy choking somebody to death or something. and uh he said backstage mark henry's reaction was since when is murder pg you know yeah and so i'm sitting there watching raw last night and i'm like I couldn't remember. Do they have a rating anymore? Are they TV 14 now? Does Netflix even have the rating?
I think when you watch a Netflix thing, it pops up when you first turn it on. It says it like outlines what's in it, but I don't know if it's a rating as well, but it'll be like, you know, course language. Yeah. And I'm like, they, and I'm not. Y'all know me. I am not one of these fucking dummies who is. aching for the attitude air to come back. Like I need to, you know. sit on my boner while they do a you know a wrestling match and a like a vat of pudding or some between the women
No, thank you. Save it for Thanksgiving when your whole family's sitting around. God. Or like any of this Vince McMahon, just trash. But I'm also wondering, but... Cody and McAfee can just stand there in front of 15,000 people and say the F word. With the mother in front. That's worse. I'm just like, what? I don't know. Do you have thoughts on this? Saying to go fuck yourself is PG? I don't know. Yeah, I guess the feeling is on Netflix.
You know, every once in a while, if that happens, it provides an edge. I don't know. I guess it's also free of like. Is there still that parents' television council thing that used to fucking get up their ass to the point that they made that... whatever standards whatever the fuck was the name of that was stevie uh the right to censor right to censor yeah uh i don't know But they sure seem to do it every once in a while. And I refuse to believe that Pat McAfee just decided to say that.
and accept the consequences. Because they were also on top of it. They bleeped it out pretty quick. He's a company man. He's a company man. He ain't going rogue on H. He'd be a dream boss. Are people finally catching up to the idea that Triple H is not this booking genius? Well, I'll say this. We've had people reaching out to us, thanking us.
for not like shitting all over Wrestlemania so there must have been enough of a groundswell of people shitting on Wrestlemania that we were a and I didn't feel any reason to but I think it does between the road to and and whatever's going on that yeah i think at this point uh the bloom is off the rose as they say for triple h as a well here's the thing right if
You know, if you've been fucking, when you eat garbage, you become garbage. We know that. But, you know, coming out of McMahon, like, almost anything. Like almost anything would have been fucking refreshing. And I think it was, it was legitimately good there, but, but I'm just saying like the bar was low on the way out of that.
yeah it was confusing and it and it and perhaps did contribute to you know i don't know if the people are sick of cody or if they you know if psychologically they are let down by him by this you know because you look back now and it's like cody got fucking
beat to shit by those three maniacs you know yeah like they basically they they they took them and stuff them in a blender and then stuck stuck them in a microwave and then put them on the fucking dryer on high heat and then Then he just comes out and he's just like, John. whatever you know yeah and but i i also think that there are just elements that I don't understand, you know, like.
It was always that thing at PWG where like everyone wanted somebody to get the belt. And if they had the belt for more than 10 minutes, all of a sudden they fucking hated them. And that's not this. But it's in that line of like, wait, why is Bianca Belair the one that's being booed? Why is Cody getting this response?
while also we know all his shit is still fucking flying off the shelves at the superstore like i don't have a grasp on it obviously it was not helped by the fact that he he had that i feel like he had that response to like just getting fucking smoked yeah i don't know i mean there was it it is the um you know
The audience is different. The audience is different than it's ever been, but there is still the... fan that is going to be you know you can't price him out you can't price him out of Wrestlemania you know there's still going to be plenty of of dummies but But they're not going to whip out the beach balls anymore. I feel like that is... Is that element gone or what? But there is the element of like...
They want to be in on the cool thing. Right, right. And then once the company is like, okay, we'll give you the cool thing, it immediately makes it uncool. I just mean the amount of boo that felt like the entire stadium was booing Cody. I was very surprised. Yeah. So at that point you're like, it's, it has to be beyond like, is that Rick Rubin? Is he booing him too? You know, like it was everybody.
But, uh, not me, you know, I remain neutral in these situations. So only that time when the Briscoes fought the FTR did I lose my cool. But, uh, why are they? Oh man, that was amazing. That was absolutely incredible. Um, and let me make Bianca too, to your point, Bianca too. I mean, with Charlotte, it was like, that was the only person I was like, yeah, yeah, this makes sense. Nobody is into Charlotte. Nobody is into Charlotte.
But Bianca and Cody, I was surprised. Yeah. And let me just make sure I understand. Uh, Rusev is back and Rusev. In his own words is like, I'm going to come after the people who are wasting their talent. Like I wasted mine. So he's basically going like. I sucked, and that's why they got rid of me, but I'm back now, and I'm going to... teach everyone else a lesson who's doing what i did right and he went to the abyss which apparently is
that money pit in Jacksonville. Yeah. Um, to waste his talent there. I'm sure too. Oh man. Wasting his talent, beating up arcade machines with Chuck Taylor. But it's just so funny that he's just going like, I wasted my talent. Are you cool saying this? Yeah. It feels like they've got him. As long as you give me another chance, boss. Right. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I wasted all my talent. Yes.
It's just, you know, Otis, he's the Mark Briscoe of WWE. You know, I couldn't love him more. And then every time he comes out, I'm like, God damn it. He's just going to fucking lose. Yeah. You know, I don't know, man. I, my feeling like. Cause you know, there's the, uh, there were some rumblings that Mariah may is gonna, gonna go over to the, I mean, I just, if, if I'm her, I gotta go like, I guess. My belief in myself tells me I will.
you know i will end up being a huge star over there right but looking at it you're going like all right they've got one one of me most specifically That's like very prominently on TV. And then they've got about three or four others. Yeah. Swirling. Unless I'm super unhappy, it doesn't seem like there's a pay issue in AEW. You might go like, I'd just rather be in front of bigger crowds or something.
But like, I guess it must just boil down to going like, well, but I like my self-confidence tells me that I will. you know i have to go over there and try to be a big star and you know i i i guess i get it but like especially with her you're going like One, two, you're like just counting the other. Dude. I mean, it was like the old guards, you know.
Once you get past Charlotte versus Tiffy at Mania, it's like that match in and of itself was like... I mean, the way they put that package together before the match. Whether they intended it or not, it read to me like, this is the old version. This is the new version, you know? And at least... Live is vastly different than the other just. you know, typical blondes in WWE. But, like, the history of the women's, especially under Vince, of the women's division in WWE has just been awash in...
Mariah Mays, but she's clearly... You know, of everyone we've mentioned, I think, you know, vastly more talented. So it's just got to be. you know it's it's the it's it's a much bigger platform for one's career yeah but i wonder i don't know what like In a situation with Indy Hartwell, where you get released by WWE, but then you get signed by TNA, which is clearly... I feel like WWE, right? They bought AAA.
But they're working with these other people to kind of go like, especially after the MLW lawsuit, like we're not a monopoly. We're working with these people. We have these friendly relationships with everybody. You know, their world champion comes on our fucking WrestleMania and we do what we want with them, you know? And then eventually we'll probably just sign them, you know? Uh, but like in the meantime, this is all cool, right? We'll send over trick Williams or something, you know, like,
Uh, so it's just funny. Cause like when she, cause I had no problem selling those tickets. That was, that was end up being a bit of a hot ticket here in town on Sunday for the TNA pay-per-view. Oh, good. Um, but when she debuted, I was like, that's kind of weird, you know, but you like.
not weird but but i'm just going like oh you you got released by these guys and i'm not saying you know obviously tna is its own company but at this moment it kind of feels like a little bit of a subsidy i get what you mean you know um But, uh, and also I saw something that said, will the wisp was going to be on that show. I'm glad I didn't get tricked to go down there. And then there was no will of the wisp on there. Yeah. What was that? I've been hopping mad. What was that? Um,
I saw a clip of him showing up somewhere. Was that on the Hardy compound or what was that? Yeah. I think the, I think the Nemeth brothers maybe made a visit to the compound. I don't know why at this point, why anyone would accept an invite down to the compound. Nothing good goes, goes on there. You know, unless you're a fucking trained weed whipper.
I mean, as far as we know, Ricky Morton is still stuck up on that cherry picker. You know, we have no reason to believe that that's the real Ricky Morton that's been wrestling and showing up on Dynamite. Speaking of which, I took a picture of that shirt that he was wearing on Dynamite. Yes. Why were we not wearing this all weekend long in Vegas? You know what's clear to me?
I do enough golfing. I think Ricky might've been on the fucking, the ninth tee and this phone buzzed and he was like, Oh, Tony's calling. I got to go boys. Hey, I got to go. No time to change. I'm going, uh, I'm just going to take a piss. Please don't record this. Oh, please. and I will see you guys later. Speaking of hopping mad, though, Ricky, there was a spot in the Ultimate X match on Sunday where, let me make sure I get this gentleman's name.
I don't know. I'm not going to get it. Oh no. His first name's Leon. I don't, I, the last name isn't listed here, but. Leon. uh leon slater he does a swanton off of the top and everyone's on uh below and oh i saw this clip yeah and so ricky morton's fucking pissed he's like in this business
We have to like care for each other's body. We have to trust each other. And you just let the motherfucker just fall to the earth. It's like a fucking gaggle of, uh, Teddy hearts just standing out there and he just falls in the, it's like. Where the fuck was everybody? I feel like you're almost at risk to hurt your arm more by doing what they did.
Yeah, maybe Leon's got some heat or something, but they let that motherfucker. It was like that was ridiculous. A real bad stage dive because I don't remember who was laying down next to him, but immediately like, dude, you're right. oh fuck sorry i was in the middle i thought i thought everybody else was around me man fuck Yeah, that was fucked. That was fucked and a half. A bit fucked. A bit fucked.
I am also not going to be able to go to GCW on Saturday. I don't know if you have plans to be at the Ukraine to cheer on all of your Game Changer wrestling favorites. Oh, I'll be there. What does that card look like? I had no idea. I'm going to... utah on thursday oh that this show just suddenly popped up me and peter gonna be at wise guys for the late show on thursday just one show just one show i guess he's he's there shooting something and then uh he booked a gig so i'm like all right
I'll be there. I love Utah. Fuck it. Utah. Give me two. Where is this? But I'll be back. I should be back on Friday morning and make my way over to the GCW arena there in Hollywood. The Ukraine center is the normal. cast of miscreants going to be there as far as i don't know friends of ours enemies oh you know i think professional wrestlers the i'm i am going to a i'm actually going carlos's wife choreographed a a thing that's all right yeah so i don't know who all will be at that
But I'm sure you'll see some familiar faces. We got Effie versus Hammerstone. Oh, I love Hammerstone. And Hammerstone loves me. We've got the freshly returned Jordan Oliver and Alec Price. Very nice. You are all excited to see Blake Christian on Dynamite. I don't, I really have no beef with Blake Christian anymore. I don't have a beef with him either. I'm just, it's just funny when he shows up. And then you got, they're taking on the subculture, which looks like.
the two british guys we know one of them uh was the dude who used to come out in the helmet um the helmet flash morgan webster Oh, the, uh, the mod and the other guy who almost looked like a paper boy, blonde haired kid, uh, would wear his hat backwards. Uh, okay. Yes. Yes. Uh, Masha Slamovich versus Jonathan Gresham. What? What? Maki Ito. versus Miu Yamashita. Really? That's on Saturday? Matt Cardona's going to be there.
This is a hot card. Dude, this is a fucking hot card. Atticus Coger's been announced. Mance Warner's been announced. Atticus is going to be there. Carlos is going to be like, Melissa, this choreography is great. I just need to run outside real quick. Then he bops down to the Ukraine. He told me after me, after his stint in mania, it'd be a little while before he got any hall passes. That's what happens, you know.
Oh yeah. It's a give and a take. You know, you come home smelling like a tobacco factory and then, uh, everything, uh, everything gets a little tighter. I was reminded this was not the last time I saw a fish because I only catch them when they come to L.A. now. And I believe From my calculations, Sunday was my 15th Phish concert. Okay. Which, you know, it's just sometimes... I've never, never, never.
been one of you know to to travel around with them if they come to my fucking town sure then it's a matter of can i or can't i and i don't think i've missed an la show since i've lived here I mean, that's pretty huge that you came off of mania and then spent three nights at the Hollywood bowl. I don't even think I would have been able to pull that off. So kudos to you, my man. Well, you know, it's just a matter of. Getting her done. Giving the take. When the getting's good.
They got a shakedown street, a version of that over there at the fish show. They do. If you, if you're on the opposite side of Highlands on the sidewalk, that's where. There are lots of vendors and, uh, you know, stickers and shirts and necklaces and grilled cheeses and all that stuff. Ice cold fatties. Oh, jumbos, jumbos, ice cold fatties. I, I have my secret parking spot. on Las Palmas, and then I walk up Highland. The only time it's ever...
Sometimes I have to venture over to McCadden is on Sundays, but like Friday and Saturday. I like years for years. Yeah. My secret parking spot. It's always available. It's incredible. Also it's, I feel like a lot of people don't realize that after sick. And at all times on Sunday, those yellow curbs are fucking good to go. People don't know. And we're not gatekeepers. We want everybody to be able to park where they want to park. Just not where I want to park. Check your local listings.
Works for me. But I put my earphones, my earplugs in once we hit Highland because it's nothing but... those guys selling nitrous balloons, those balloons popping, and the tanks, them filling up those balloons is the most god-awful sound I've ever heard. But unbelievable shows. I just don't, I don't, uh, and we'll be back to the wrestling portion of this show in just a minute, but please, well, let me just say, say I've only done nitrous one time.
i just i couldn't figure it out like that one time i was like that was fucking brilliant for about 10 seconds And then I was like, you're a human piece of shit. And I just don't understand. Then like, you're just going to keep doing them. You're just going to keep. Like chasing that 10 seconds. You're like, you're ice cold fatty on Highland and the band ain't playing for another hour. Your brain is Swiss cheese.
Buddy, I spent a weekend with these people. You ain't Whistlin' Dixie. Last time they were in town was in 2023. It was at the Bowl. Then before that...
Must have been 2020. or 2021 but that was at the forum and somehow the seats we had were like practically next to the stage like closer than forum but like closer than we were when we saw the stones but like even more like we're not looking at the band we're looking at almost the back of the band and looking at the floor you know seeing what they see and we were right above
from backstage to the to the performing center you know to to to the stage and yeah according to my notes this would have been 2021. And every time they pass by, I was screaming. They heard me. They 100% heard me. asking them who their favorite wrestler was. Each fucking guy would just be like, Trey! And then finally after, you know, at the beginning of set two, I started giving them options. I was like, Bruno Sammartino.
I'm calculating their age in my mind. And I'm like, these are kids in Vermont. They had TV sets. They were flipping the channels. You know, Bruno works all over New England, all over the country, all over the world. The world. Chief J Strongbow. haystacks calhoun well speaking of the forum you know uh they are doing that big big double header on june 7th we've got worlds collide at 11 a.m over at the forum and then at 3 30
The big money in the bank pay-per-view at Intuit Dome. They've already put on combo tickets, but I don't like to buy tickets blind. The only way you can buy these combo tickets is just to be like, pick like lower bowl center, lower bowl end. That ain't for me, dude. Also, I'm still negotiating a little bit since it's the day before my wife's birthday. And she was sort of like, what's this now?
Wait, what now? What is that? What is this? On the Saturday? Huh? On the Saturday before my birthday, you're going to do that? Like, my birthday's the next day? You're going where? then you just get home from mania what are you talking about i'll just keep that on the back burner for now um When is that Hollywood show? Hollywood show? Oh. The autograph show. Oh, that's that weekend. That's the Friday and the Saturday, the June 6th and 7th. Really? It starts on Friday, eh?
i'm here to tell you and then sunday is you know obviously you're going to bring georgia is the uh the the robot The Robo Toy Fest. Yes, of course. In the same room. Of course. Clearly. Awesome. That's where the young lady wants to spend her...
I think she's already asked about that. That's why she was like, aren't you going to be like, you have to be in great shape to go to the robot thing on Sunday. Yeah. She's like, wait a second. Aren't you going to go to that leave it to beaver reunion at the Hollywood show? Jerry Mathers is going to be there along with four random character actors who are also on the show. I mean, the Hollywood show has no shortage. I mean, they just announced Lorraine Newman. Come on.
Garrett Morris in the building. They're adding SNL alumni. Dude, they're doing a Wilson Phillips reunion at the Hollywood show. Oh my God, dude. This is, I mean, this really is. The fucking, the bad guy from, from a kindergarten cop. Yeah. Yeah. He was also the bad guy in Three O'Clock High. He's a monster heel.
The guy who fucking drove around Ferris Bueller's car when he fucking valeted it. Dude, this, what they are billing as a Ferris Bueller's reunion is, is unbelievable. It's Ferris's mom and dad. The guy who drove around the car and the Mater D at the restaurant. You've got sausage. King of Chicago, Steven, Steven Peercy from rat. I mean, they are just all over the place. This is incredible. I mean, the audacity. It's amazing. Bruce Boxlider from...
I mean, they also, they have Michelle Phillips listed under, you know, the star Trek people and under the Wilson Phillips reunion. This is, this is going to be incredible. Run, don't walk. I know I will. We're both going to be there. Yes. Yes. This is a... I mean, cause also what, like, are there going to be people selling? There has to be. Yeah. What? That's the question. Right. Will there be a concession stand or is it going to be like West Coast Pro in Vegas?
i mean this is so many people though it feels like you know because when you do like monster palooza It's like on the, on the perimeter outside is all the autographs. And then inside is like all art and tchotchkes and shit. This feels like it's going to be autograph tables everywhere. But then there's got to be people selling DVDs and shit. Something.
Maybe we should get a table and sell some bootleg shit. I mean, why don't I have a table? I'm like, hey, it's Matt McCarthy from the Batman from... The Jaggings from Nicolas Cage's agent. I was also on How We Roll. You're a little too modern. A little too modern. I'm in Companion. I'm in Companion. Big hit right now. Well, that's Monsterpalooza now because this is old-timey. The Hollywood show is a little more old-timey.
I did, my manager did say to me, he's like, hey, so-and-so from some convention asked if... you were available um you know because you were in companion i'm like i'm like what is this convention i'm like looking at it i was like oh this this feels fucking bad was the deal like was there any guarantee or it was like no it was gonna come in and you can have a free table and just we we get to advertise that you're there and
You, uh, you know, you can sell your shit, your autographs, whatever. And then, but then his big thing was like, do you have anything? Do you have any props or costumes from the movie? I'm like, no, as a matter of fact, I don't. We gotta, we gotta get a shirt that just says. This guy's fucked or whatever. What's the line? Oh, yeah. That guy's fucked. That guy's fucked. Matt, that guy's fucked McCarthy. Um, what? I definitely wrote something down.
because i was oh i didn't do the homework i forgot to mention that up top that's all right bud no i'm i feel like i let you down um oh oh oh statlander and um uh I'm completely blanking on her name. Hold on. The mean redhead who kisses her biceps. The mean redhead. Well, she's a redhead now. You know, she used to be buddies with Tony Storm and then she was buddies with Britt Baker and then she got hurt and she was gone forever. Now she's back.
Why am I now? I'm like, what's going on? Man, you need to put down your jumbo ice cold fatty. and just get it jamie hater um oh the haterade yeah those two i was like when when when dynamite was was gearing up And then they were like, that's, that's the main event. I was like, holy shit. I loved that match so much. Those two, it's like... When they were both hurt, I was like, we need them back immediately. Yeah. Was this on Dynamite? Yes. Okay. And.
Yeah, because Toni Storm was on Collision. I saw that her and Queen Amidala. Yeah. Is that her name? Yeah. You know, we've seen her so many times. Yeah. I hate the, uh, I talk about this all the time, but the, um, When FDR comes out, I also love... Do you think they're excited to be paired up with Stokely? Do you think they...
He's not the maker of champions. He's very much been a manager of prelim... talent it feels like you know yeah i i do like him though i do i like him a lot i'm just saying as far as the What comes across through the television set to me is FTR has massive egos. They think very highly of themselves. yeah so i'm curious when they were presented with we're gonna pair you up with stokely if they were like you know yeah well but here's here's the way you do it right you're like
This is the heel presentation. You guys are so beloved. We have to do as much as we can. To make you unlikable, you know, you. There's still room for you to be a writer at WWE. My time is now. That is. That's incredible. That's like. I saw Dave Kapoor and Ed Kosky like sell like gift wrap shit to wrestlers, like in a way that you just did. It was just like, it's like, no, no, no. Well, here's, here's why, here's what we're thinking. And it's just like, oh, and then seeing the guy just be like.
oh all right yeah yeah yeah okay yeah that's good dax and cash are gonna be like you're right we are fucking so beloved how we're right we need to throw everything we can at this and it's not like you'll be together forever it's like no no no this is this is just to get you to to that next place you know yeah because it because obviously he's going to turn on you guys because you the crowd is going to be like why are you with this guy right
Oh my God. Fucking booking genius over here. I don't know about all that. God damn booking genius. My fucking gal. Oh, you know, you should watch WWE unreal. Maybe, but it's called. I want to call, I want to say it's Hollywood demons. It's a show. I don't know what channel it's on, but it's on max. Okay. And they did a Von Eric one.
and oh i heard about this the thing about it dude is like you know it's it's not like it didn't blow my mind but there just is shit that that i hadn't seen before uh-huh and even some stuff that like like they they you know like discussion of his foot in a way that was like oh i guess i didn't totally realize that and um And poor fucking Kevin gets wheeled out again. Every one of these documentaries, they love when someone needs a break, when someone's like, can I just get a minute, please?
um okay so this is some dark side of the ring shit yeah well it's like uh yeah it's just like a show that every other one is is probably like you know uh I can't even whoever. I mean, I'm looking at it now. It's like dark side of the power Rangers child stars gone violent. Yeah.
steven collins america's dad yeah but i would uh i would watch that it's good or it's a real iron claw and also like uh carrie's other daughter who i don't think i'd heard from and uh kevin's one daughter like yeah there's just some okay some parts of it that are like Yeah. Yeah. I don't need to say much more, but yeah. I mean, I know you don't have, maybe do. Where has Lacey been?
Because it's like when, when those videos started popping up of her, like just walking around at conventions and being like, Oh, My family used to work. I think it was Ted DiBiase with a WWF shirt or something. She's like, oh, my family used to work there. Yeah, they killed all of them. Well, I'm thinking, I'm hoping that maybe she... Got herself a little help and decided like, oh, I just don't need to be around this. Yeah. You know, because.
uh those those videos were definitely of her drunk but there was that point like earlier on like she was on that tour when fucking flair and hogan had those blood baths in like australia after flair had retired and shit like she was kind of I think there was a last, last I heard she was in LA. Like she was based here. Yeah. So maybe she just is like, you know, doing something else. That would be my hope for her. And she seemed in the, in the docs, she comes off pretty good, you know?
Man, oh man, oh man. This business, Vince, it'll just chew you up and spit you out. Ooh, brother. You got it, dude. Oh, speaking of brother, you saw that fucking video Hogan posted of him and fucking Bischoff. Listen, when you were like, this is for a boner pill, I was like, you're probably right.
like this is not for a wrestling company they're like oh wait till you see the third man he's so strong and it's like the third man's gonna be whatever the product is that it's it's with this office yeah I invested in some bullshit. Now he's dragging Terry into it. But I mean, that was, that was one of the most. so bad so bad it gave me the shivers um when you said brother though i thought you were gonna bring up um
I watched the superstar Billy Graham, Dark Side of the Ring, which was also very good. But I also didn't realize he was kind of the first, he was the brother guy. He's the guy who brought brother. Oh, really? At least in like... That makes sense. Maybe not the lot, but like in promos and shit, you know? So like that's where the brother thing comes from. Let me tell you something, brother.
But that one, yeah, this has been, this season has been, um, like I bailed on last season and this season has been good. All right. I need to play because it's just like, it's not the same like oh okay yeah this guy had drug problems like well you know like it's um like the uh tony atlas one's good um that one was good Hell in a Cell was good. Yeah, they've all been good. I haven't seen Ludwig Borga yet, but that's the only one I missed.
heard people thought he was an asshole and this this week is hot stuff eddie gilbert so i'm up for that because i fucking that'll be really good i mean you know interesting because i just it's talk about a name that i know And then couldn't tell you much else about him except he hit Jerry Lawler with a car. Trying to find it. It's gone. There was some show... That one woman we ran into, Queen of the Ring.
what's that oh the yeah the movie no no no no no the uh the influencer with um oh yeah i didn't we ran into her like the first day at um wrestlecon wrestlecon what's her name alex She was at some indie show, maybe it was just in their stories. I didn't know who that was when we were speaking to her. No, I know you didn't. I just didn't know who it was.
Hey, man, I know you didn't. I'm not even trying to bum nobody out, man. Hey, man, why are you fucking bumming everybody out, dude? I can't find it. It must have been in her stories. They went to some... indie show like the week after mania that tony atlas was on and working and i was like you gotta be fucking shitting me dude That guy was in the building. Fuck, dude. Why was he not at WrestleCon? Why is he not? I don't know. Yeah, it's weird. Some of the people. Years past.
I mean, my only thought is like some of these guys, cause you know, you see certain guys just sitting there and you're going like, by the end of the weekend, do they, do they get their airfare back? Like.
is it end up being worth it maybe tony's just like i've done it it doesn't it doesn't work out for me you know I don't know Because that's the thing, when you've got a table at WrestleCon and you're kind of camped out, really it's just the benefit of having a table, if not, maybe we'll sell a t-shirt or two. But it's really just a place to sit down.
and just be pre-ordering a chair pre-ordering a chair for the yeah yeah Well, the problem is, though, you don't even when you get to select where your table is, you don't know if you're going to be next to a female talent.
whose whose line and everything is then just right render you i'm not even talking about like obsolete people being i'll find you you can't even people watch that point other than the fucking the dudes who are slobbering to get a picture you know yeah But that was... i would have loved to have seen like what kind of business do you think greg valentine did because every time we dipped into that room
he was just kind of hanging out. I think like once I saw him with somebody or something. Same with Hacksaw too. It was just kind of because they were selling like pieces of wood that he had autographed. And I'm like, okay, that feels like an idea from the old lady where she's like, here's what we need to do, Jim.
yeah and i mean you gotta fly back with those you you like you're putting those back in the fucking carry-on you gotta carry fucking around wood i it it's like i feel like they're banking on People like the guy that I ran into in the elevator who was like, what's going on down there? Who's there?
And then by the time I got to the Hardy boys, it was like, I'm fucking going down there. Like people who just don't, who either haven't been before or, or are randomly in the hotel who didn't know there was a thing going on. And they're like, right. That guy wasn't even going to mania. He was just in the hotel. I feel like he was in there for something else. I don't even know, but like it was.
uh you know to me it's like if you've gone to two of them you've had ample opportunity and and there are guys you know like probably maybe next year i'll fucking i'll get another picture with greg you know just because it's like as long as you're not fucking charging arm or leg like i don't mind like doing it you know re-upping with you you know but Let me tell you something. Okay. I I've since I've, we've come back to regular society.
Two people now. It's wild how many people I know that were also in Vegas that same weekend. Some people were at the sphere enjoying Bobby and Johnny. But... I know two different people who had kids in that fucking volleyball tournament. Wow. And I was like, I was at the Westgate, you know, and this one woman, she's like, oh, we weren't going to that. It was too crazy there. I knew not to stay at the Westgate.
This fucking volleyball tournament, she's like, they had 60, 60, 6-0 courts. 10 teams on each court. where where the fuck was it no idea i i guess at the west gate did they have some room that they have a fucking 60 volleyball courts i have no idea i don't know where this would have been Wow. Brother. That's too much volleyball. Too much.
Also, we forgot to mention we saw campus issues rolling through. Wow, we did forget. I text Greg Johnson immediately, though, because he was a former classmate. But old Riley. Alex Riley. Alex Riley. who who was it cena that supposedly was like get this fucking guy out of here got him fired that was the story yeah Um, but, uh, and he was, he was like a quarterback or something. Kofi Kingston and Greg Johnson. Yeah. But he, I think if he wasn't the quarterback, something like that.
at BU, and he... They call it like in the paper, it said that he had been suspended or whatever for campus issues. So they started calling him campus issues. Yeah. Fucking unbelievable. He's been campus issues since that day. Maybe that's why Brian Alvarez follows Greg Johnson on Instagram and not me because Greg Johnson went to was it BU or BC? I think Kofi went to BC.
I don't know. Somewhere in Boston. Also with Tim O'Halloran, who was in the movie The Normals with me. There was one day at Mania 28, as a matter of fact, Kofi was just kind of sitting around. in or near gorilla and he's like he's like dude wait a second you your buddies with greg johnson that's fucking crazy yeah i'm like yeah and tim o'halloran also he's like
It's like, how is the world so fucking small? That's insane. Yep. The fight club. Uh, but it sure looked like old Riley still, uh, still struggling with some campus issue. He looked rough. Didn't seem. happy but also strange also just strange because not at WrestleCon
Right. Not on anything, but still just... floating around in the ether just rolling through like figuring out fucking i'll go to vegas for the weekend maybe maybe go see some old buddies get fucked up lay down some bets who knows unfortunately for him my uh My vodka cranberry budget went to, uh, Bill Alfonso. So I didn't have any, I couldn't, I couldn't help him out with a cocktail.
Oh, Fonzie looks great. Fonzie is great. Yeah. And you know, I, maybe next time we hang out, I'm going to find out about the dental work. Cause that dude had a fucked up rack of teeth and now he looks beautiful. I think we also forgot to mention last week our elevator ride with the... Well, we... we met the gun club. We got our pictures with them. Yeah. But also like that might've been the first night. Was that Thursday night? We were rolling up the elevator with Casey and it was just, uh,
Conversation time. This is just a good time having conversations. And I had been wanting to ask Casey what he feels is. I don't think I said the best. Who was the biggest band to come out of Canada? I thought you said the best, who's the best Canadian.
band who's the who's the best band that ever came out of canada you know and it was yumi casey and it was austin gunn and his partner not not his tag team partner his uh his partner in life lady friend Stay the hell away from my special lady friend. And I asked the question, and Casey started thinking, and then Austin Gunn immediately just goes, Drake.
you gotta be joking me dude you gotta be joking me and then um who did casey say it was a band i'd never heard of i was like no no you're telling me your favorite i'm saying who's the best Because I'm thinking he's going to say rush. Right. Or, you know, tragically hip or something. Yeah, but maybe the band he mentioned was the best. I can't believe I don't remember the name because he's brought them up before, but I don't remember it.
something with an h i want to say the headless horseman i think it was i think it was ichabod crane and the headless horseman Yeah, it was Icky and the Boys. Icky. I know he told me about Wigwam. No, no, not Wigwam. That's the band that does the theme song too. Peacekeeper. He told me about one band that did a cover of that Trav and Wilbury song. Anyway, when we went to WrestleCon the next day and we got our pictures with the gun club, guns up. As I was walking away, I go to Austin. I'm like.
Drake, best musician ever come out of Canada. He's like, that's right. That's right. But then Vince clocked Colton gun, like kind of looked at his brother. He's like, what the fuck? What the hell was that? Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. Vince. Yes. Who's your favorite wrestler?
You knew it from the start. It's got to be Chris Candido, man. 20 years gone. I can't believe it's been 20 years. That's crazy. But so many good matches with Lance Storm, with fucking Sabu, with fucking Liger. What was it? A staff infection? I don't, I remember that he broke his ankle on a TNA show. And then I can't remember if he flew before he was supposed to, it was a blood clot or something that something as a byproduct of an injury that he had gotten.
Uh, but, uh, terrible. Yeah. Bummer, man. And what about you, Matt? A favorite wrestler, I suppose. Oh, Stephanie Vakir. I don't know how to say it. I thought it was Vakor. I feel like Cole's been like Vacker. He keeps saying Vacker.
Cole changed it. Like last night I was like, nah, I feel like they changed it. She'll now be known as Vacker. Um, because my obviously my shirt came in the mail but the uh you know she popped up on raw and i was just like you know because what's the name who she wrestled from uh you know chad gable's group but here she's so fucking fast shit like it was it was one of those deals too where i was just like i was just like fuck she does everything right you know it's and and there's like
there's there's always a little something extra like the like that that rolling pin like where just you know you think she's just gonna hook the leg but then like continues to roll over and then is like really put the pressure on the leg yep but i kept trying to get
Like Jack was in the other room. If he had gotten to see the, uh, whatever she calls it, the devil's kiss or whatever, would she just bangs their head on the mat? I was like, he would have fucking laughed his ass off of that. This is what we need to do to that, that guy. When we find him, who's calling you dad. That's a hundred percent. Um, but yeah, so it was big time, big time, big time.
I also love that it's like she'll, she just subtly, she will subtle. There's a subtle smirk that she'll do. Like she tries to go, like she'll start smiling sometimes. And then like, you can see she's trying to fight it. She just wants to look. mean but she'll do like a just like a disgusted smirk at her opponents it's just fucking great
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