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When What Sells Isn't What Matters Most

Jan 28, 202651 minSeason 1Ep. 20
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In a world driven by metrics, engagement scores, and the bottom line, it is easy to confuse popularity with purpose. Adam Curry and Pastor Jimmy Pruitt deconstruct the temptation to prioritize what works over what matters. From the commercialization of the gospel to the algorithmic feedback loops that shape our culture, they discuss the cost of compromising for the crowd and the freedom found in sticking to the mission—even when it doesn't trend.

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Father, we honor you. Thank you for the privilege of what we get to do. We don't take it for granted, Lord. Not any of this. Pray for our listeners today and whenever they're going to be listening to this, wherever they find themselves, that they would be encouraged, they would be lifted, and Father, they would adopt this simple saying, we get to do this. Father, we do this in the name of Jesus and for your honor. Amen. Amen.

It's Wednesday January 28th 2026 we get to do this this is episode number 20 We get to do this brother we get to do it again 20 We're racking them up. When did we start? I don't even remember when the first episode was. I don't. I'd have to look at something. It's gone real fast. It has gone fast. It's been such a pleasure. It's been fun. It gets better every time. God, the world, and other things. I wanted to get back

to that a little bit. Good. I'm in. This morning, you sent out your daily grind, which we've talked about it several times. You write one every single day. I've been doing it for 137 years. Give or take. And it was beautiful, Proverbs 16, 24, gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body. What was interesting, my brother, is you sent two versions. Oh, I did. I sure did. You corrected, you said corrected and I went, hold on a second. You removed

a piece. I did. Which was like super meta because it was like, Do you mind if I just read the original version? And I'll tell you why I removed it. You probably caught it. Of course I did, because that really spoke to me. But I think I understand why you changed it and removed that. So it starts off, have you noticed how people are attracted to those whose speech is consistently encouraging and life -giving? It's not difficult to gain attention or approval by exposing what is wrong

with everyone and everything around us. When you choose to be gracious, joyful and hopeful with your words, it's like the sweetness of a honeycomb to others. Today, choose your words wisely and release that which is sweetness to the soul and health to the body. Have an amazing day on purpose." So the piece you removed was, it's not difficult to gain attention or approval by exposing what is wrong with everyone and everything

around us. Actually, I'm so glad you sent me the original version because that really centered me for a second. Like, wow, I kind of do that to some degree in my job. And it's kind of meta. The way I saw it is by, by even putting the sentence in there, you were actually literally doing that, which you wanted not to do. Bingo. Is that, is that what it was? That's why. So I posted this on several platforms, probably four or five. And then all my text groups, you know, be some

of the men in the church. Good morning, brother. Our staff, you and Tina and that, and then you and me, we'd have our own thing. And as I was doing that and just read back through it, I thought, you know, you write something and then you come back 40 minutes later, an hour later, and you've got a different viewpoint, right? You've already moved down the track. and I saw an inconsistency, and the inconsistency was I was doing exactly

what I was saying don't do. I was talking about gracious words, but I'm so thankful I caught that. And I was able to correct all that on platforms. That was no big deal. It had only been up for a little bit, but it was just that reminder of how the Holy Spirit will sometimes tap you. and say, hey, hey, I want you to notice something the next time you read through it. And I caught it immediately. What is so beautiful, thank you, Holy Spirit. I got the original and I immediately...

It's because you have a green bubble. Green bubble syndrome. I can't correct anything. Oh, that's right. On an iPhone, it would have actually changed and I wouldn't have noticed. I could have literally, which I did to the guys. Green bubble, baby. No, you can't cover any... police. You can't cover up anything with me. No, you can. You send it. It's there. But it was so good because this is exactly what everybody's doing. Especially we have what's happening in Minneapolis, which

seems to dominate all news. It's like the Zapruder tape. We're going back and forth. Who shot JFK? By the way, totally tragic. Everything about it is tragic. It is. Before we can get back to

the daily grind. I had to step back. It's like it used to be Shocking when you saw a movie with a murder or a killing of any kind and now in the span of two weeks We have two people who were killed by gunfire real, you know filmed on with by the way, you know video you never have a full awareness of the situation, but And only just a few months after Charlie Kirk, I mean, this is affecting us in so many different ways. For sure, it's numbing us. It's completely

desensitizing us to it. And even worse, the algorithms on social media immediately pick up, oh, look at this guy fighting, look at this person getting shot, because it's, of course, these things happen in daily life. influencers and podcasters, they're all, and that's what struck me is like, I'm also, part of what I do with No Agenda Certainly and what we do often here is exposing what's wrong. And it really set me back. I'm like, let's not

do that today. Let's look at what's good and what's right and the things that are beautiful. And I know the Holy Spirit gave me, you know, made sure I ordered an iPhone, an Android phone months and months ago so that I would not get the correct conversion completely. It's all to make this happen. And I was just like, wow. And I hope that people read this and they really think about it for a second because it is just, it's become our second nature. Like let's wake

up. what's happening, who said what, you know, who said what to who. The timelines are filled with, oh, here are all these people telling you how to poison ice and, you know, all this crazy stuff. I mean, broken doesn't even begin to describe it. It's beyond that. It's just, it's, and I was, what was I reading this morning? What was this? It was, this came through on the, on Pastor Brian's... Oh, right. Men's thing. Yeah, what is it? It's from Everyman Ministries, I think.

Yeah, Bridge Church, Men's Devo. Yeah, and it was 2 Corinthians 7, 8 -10. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. And this is it. It's the worldly sorrow. And I think we get stuck in that, man. We really get stuck in it. It's painful. It takes us down. We call it going down the rabbit hole right, down the black hole. And it's so easy to do. Sensationalism has just become the pastime, you know, the cultural

pastime. to where we sensationalize everything. Sadly, it drives clicks and comments and algorithms and sponsors and all of that. I was talking to Pastor Brian earlier this morning about this, that when we had the prior administration in charge, there were so many outrageous things happening. It needed to be addressed. people like me, pastors, influencers, we were all saying, whoa, whoa, enough's enough. This has gone off the cliff. We need to take a different tack to

all this. And so it predicated that we needed to say something, but we're in a different season now. Now that doesn't mean we don't still need to say things. And it's not even what you say, it's how you say. We need to be conscious and intentional with our words. That's why I've asked you to write the weekly briefing now so that I don't get up in the pulpit and pull a Donald Trump and go off the script as much as I love Donald Trump. Big, beautiful sanctuary. All you

people look so beautiful this morning. I can't even watch him do a speech. I love the man, but I cannot watch. It's too painful. It's like watching Texas Tech play and lose this playoff. I just can't. And what did they lose? I'm out of touch. So I mean, they were doing great and off the rails. I told my brother, I can't even watch it. You know, same thing. Yeah. So so that we've got to be intentional with what we say, because it's so much more how you say than what you say.

So, you know, in podcast world, it's, you know, breaking, breaking, breaking news, you know, alert. Nobody knows anything news alert alert, you know. And it's just like, you know, we've got the inside scoop and. And I get it. I understand the game. I understand how it goes. I get all that. But at what cost are we doing those things? You know what I mean? As a believer, as someone who says, I follow Jesus Christ. I've given my life to him. But then I jump on a mic and I just

go completely contrary. I go down this track. Where now I'm saying things that are not in my character to say but I'm doing it because it's getting applause I came across because I've been thinking about this a lot of the others call them the the YouTube pastors I get it because I think there's a huge difference between doing audio which You know the word is meant to be heard. I mean there's ears to hear now I know there's also eyes to see theater of the mind

though. Well What was I found? I was writing all this down. Instead, this is 2 Timothy 4, instead to suit their own desires that will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. So that's right there. Now that's just the ears part, but then I see faithful people, not just pastors, but people who are preaching the gospel and they're so hell -bent, if I can just use that in this

context, on doing video. And what hit me was Matthew 6, 1, be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. They will have no reward from your Father in heaven. I really, I'm like, you know, Isn't everything you do on video, isn't it kind of performative? I mean, you're doing lighting, you're making sure you look good. It's so different to me. It is different. It really just feels wrong. Well, you have a different sense of consciousness.

You have more self -consciousness if you know you're being seen as opposed to being heard. Right. You know, I'm not sitting here fluffing my hair. I'm wearing headphones. I'm going to have like a big thing through my hair after. I could care less. but because I'm not being seen, sort of. But you know what I mean. I do. And so it changes the way you say what you say. It changes even the way you process and think. You know, we tried, we did video for a while.

We did a few with Annette. We brought some guests in, did some things. It was fun. I enjoyed it. But to be honest, I wasn't as relaxed. I wasn't in my own head space like I am now where I'm not worried about, you know, micro expressions and various things, nuances. So I see a lot of my friends in ministry, good friends, people I would call dear friends that seem to be, I call it prefab housing. Remember the Truman show? Of course. Every house was the same on the block.

You know, you look down the neighborhood, everyone's prefabricated. And a lot of times we can dive off into prefabricated mentalities, ways of thinking, constructs. You know, because all my friends are thinking this way, instead of me thinking, it's a lot easier to just think like them. I can park my brain and just jump into a prefabricated construct. mentality thinking, whether it's about politics or culture or scripture or theology, it's just a lot easier to not have to think.

It's a lot easier to just grab somebody else's thoughts and roll with it and jump on the bandwagon, the proverbial bandwagon. And now I'm just playing that tune. It's harder to actually be someone who's willing to think different and think through

things. outside of those constructs. And what I hear every single time, because I have these conversations with all kinds of different people, and I think that there's valid reasons for people doing video, you know, if it's really a visual type of thing, but you know, whenever I make clips, because I make clips, I have the recording, like a YouTube, and it's usually some news report, and I'll be watching, I'll record it, and then I go and edit it and sometimes not even sometimes

during the edit but sometimes it won't be until I actually play that clip that I went oh wow I never heard that I never because I was you're always distracted by the visuals right true um uh what did I have here I had another I just wrote down all these different things in preparation today so faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God, Romans 10, 17. Just all these things it telling me like, seems like the video was really a distraction. It's just, it's pulling

away from things. And I don't know what it is, but it's really bothering me. It's bothering me. Like, what do you hope people do? It's like, well, you'll get more viewers. And I've learned to say, God doesn't care about size. If He wants to scale something, He'll scale it. That's true. It's like, why are you going for that? And the reason I bring this up is because we've got some

beautiful emails to share. Oh, wonderful. And so, you know, we've always figured we're doing this for Bridge Church and the people who go to Bridge Church. Anyone else who hears it, it's all going to be a plus. This is from Jody. I just want to send you an email. I found the new podcast. I'm loving it. This is us, of course. Here recently, I've moved away from the day -to -day news. I'm trying to focus more on the things

of heaven. The Lord gave me a verse a few months ago, Romans 16, 9, but I want you to be wise about what is good and innocent about what is evil. It really spoke to my inner conspiracy theorizing. It was also heavy and I really needed more biblical armor. So to find out about the new podcast, I was stoked. And she says, she's talking about me, of course, but it is about our show because she says very specifically,

please say hi to Pastor Jimmy. I can hear the faithfulness and eagerness to learn and be loved by Jesus. It makes my heart so happy. These are coming in one after another right now, one after another. Brian, I'm leaving everyone's last name. I don't know if they, it's okay. I love how we get to do this is a little news and then actually a sermon as well. And I love to hear about your walk. I've been a Christian my whole life. Well,

sort of. Because, well, the parable of the seeds, some in the path, some in the rock, some in the thorns, and finally some in the fertile soil is my story. And at some point in my life, I had been every one of those seeds. My walk is now truly strong and growing. And we get to do this is going to be in addition to my podcast. I mean, this kind of feedback makes me so happy that, I mean, it's just insane. Well, I mean, it just goes on and on. So many people are saying

that. I love that. Thanks for sharing that, Adam, because that prayer we open up with is always, we're not just praying for us, we're praying for those that will hear this, that there will just be this open communication, this open receptivity to the good news, because it is good news. It's not okay news. It's not so -so news. It's good news. It's good news, yeah. We had this big ice storm here in Texas. The whole message was pre -recorded in the worship team, and you did the

communion. It's a communion that you're doing by yourself. It's a union? That must have been so weird to do that. It wasn't too bad because we were trained, unfortunately, by COVID, where we did 11 weeks like that in a row. Now, we didn't pre -record. We came up and did the service live in real time. But just doing to a completely vacant auditorium. Empty. Yeah. Like I said, at first, when we started COVID, doing it during that time, we were forced to do that for a while.

And then we decided not to be forced to do anything. We quit doing it. But it trains you. So I told our team, this is not new for us. We've been down this track before. And so what we're going to need to do is go in and Faith will put it all together. So we did it all in segments. And Faith is just so good. She just edited all that, created transitions. I was more concerned about Brian because it was his week to preach and he's never done that before and he likes feedback.

I presume all pastors like feedback. If you're not getting an amen or something from the sanctuary. When I was younger that would make me very insecure and I'd have to do something, you know, like a seal, you know, balancing a ball on my nose or something, you know, to get reaction. I don't do that anymore, but I can hopefully outgrew that. but I knew it would be hard on him. And he did fantastic. And the whole team, the worship, we were going to have worship practice on Thursday

night anyway, before the storm hit. So I said, hey, just don't show up in your pajamas. We're going to record this. And everybody showed up gray, ready to go. And it just... That was one of our better worship sets, not because we were being filmed, but because we were all in the moment. It was good. It was. Well, and our friend Brent put his mojo spank on the sound. Amazing. That's the best it's ever sounded. The only thing that I forgot to tell Faith is like, remember

to trigger Hello Fred to go live. Well, she was doing it from home, I guess. Was she streaming it from home? Boxcast did a live stream thing for churches that were Showing video. Yeah. Yeah, which was a real nice thing. They did. Yeah, I know that she had all their settings here I'm like, ah, and I'm like see can I patch this in real quick? She was trying yes She was all good. You came through. Yeah big time. It was really

really good. It was fantastic Thank you. It was I enjoyed it because I got to sit in a different seat. Yes through the whole thing So it was good for me and we came back on Tuesday for staff meeting and we unpacked the whole thing and just said, what did we learn from this? And we took notes, you know, we learned some things and so it was good. And, you know, what was adopt, adapt and overcome. There it is, adapt and overcome.

So yeah, it was a privilege to do it. Do you have the air conditioning remote control here by any chance? I do not. It's because you're wearing a hoodie. I know, I know. I wanted to represent as always with my iron. It was 27 degrees outside when I woke up this morning. No, it's going to be 56 today. So. Yes. No, I'm just saying so. What's next? Well, we both read this this article about how. I think this article calls it The Machine, which kind of started in 2007,

2008. And I'll put it in the show notes. The person who wrote this thesis has all this data about how men and women, and it's not just America, it's global, have really separated in their values.

or women going very, very liberal, almost anti -man in a way, because of this whole machine that started with smartphones and algorithms that completely target women in such an evil way, in particular women, by really pushing them towards Being in the group a hundred percent empathy You you you cannot at any point have any other opinion and when I thought about it You may remember more than I do, but when I thought

about us like it's not just the phones. It's not just the algorithms It's the entire culture this road caster is crapping a little bit The entire culture has been geared towards this and I'm like how Lord how do we? do something about this. Again, we're back to prefab thinking. It's prefabricated. If you want to belong to this group, these are the things you need to espouse. These are the things you need to talk about,

and you'll be in the group. I mean, you go back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, what's the number one thing? Belonging. Everybody wants to fit into a group. You want to go to a place where everybody knows your name, where that song came from. Cheers. But they were playing on something that's real. And that is this need to connect, need to belong. It's important. Are you hearing that snap? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll just pretend it's not there. Not today, Satan. Oh, by the

way, we got construction going on. There's drills running out. Oh, yeah, of course. It all matters. It's always something. But anyway, this prefabricated thinking, this falls right back into it. And there's such a need for connection and belonging. Yes. And even more so than women, or at least they're more verbal about it. I think we're the same. We just don't say anything about it. More to ourselves. Yeah. But definitely. And so these algos, this article was fantastic, by the way.

I was immersed in it. I showed it to Annette and we were both like, yeah, this is exactly what's happening. Interesting thing is it's not just American, though. This is what one of the discoveries in the article was. This is global. Yeah. That women are more susceptible to this. And, you know, the emotions, the tugging on the heartstrings, the So you look at the outrage you're hearing and the raging you're hearing, and you look at a lot of these protests, even

in Minneapolis, look who's there. Yeah. And droves. And that's what kind of, not freaked me out, but I'm like, man, people aren't even aware of what, I mean, I see people saying things on social media, women in particular. I'm like, you can actually be arrested for the things you're saying. You're making unbelievable threats. And the fact that they're oblivious to it is concerning. And I guess the only thing you can do is tell people or ask them, are you aware of what you're actually

doing and what's actually happening? I just feel compelled. I'm like every single time so because of course people send me these videos all the time like, you know I'm not gonna play this as a clip. It's just completely But I just pray I'm like, oh, please help this person. There you go. There's your trigger It's trigger is to pray for humankind because the world it's always been bad We were talking about some of

the period pieces. We're watching right now some of the period series Yes that are on they're fascinating. Yeah, one of the revelations for both of us you mentioned this is that Human nature hasn't changed at all. It's the same song 300th verse Where we keep going around these same mountains we keep getting in these same These same issues of flesh less of the flesh less of the eyes, you know greed all those things It just happens

over and over cyclical. So human nature is not changing globally and The tragedy is if you don't have any sense of self -awareness You'll get hooked like a fish, you know, and you'll go right down the same track. And that's what we're seeing. And when we see these derangement videos, you know, it was Karen there for a while now. They've morphed into the super Karen. Yeah. And it's wild to watch. It's heartbreaking though. It hurts my heart to see. I don't laugh at those.

I did maybe at first, just because it was so, what did we just see? It gets to the point now where people will play this like, look at this. And I'm like, I'm sad. I'm just sad. And people look at me like, what? Don't you get it? Say, yeah, I get it. Exactly. This is the problem. 2 .0, brother. 2 .0. Adam, 2 .0. But anyway, it is clear that the less You allow yourself, and algorithms get men in a certain track as

well. There's all kinds of issues there. You look at my Instagram, it's surfing videos, like just bombarding. Mega waves, you know, Indonesia. Oh really, that's your algo? I know, that and motorcycles. or Red Bull videos of guys doing stupid stuff. Yeah, climbing crazy stuff. Climbing up towers. Yeah, jumping motorcycles off ski jumps. Why not? That's my stuff. And guitars. But it is truly, it's just every day it's a reminder. It's like, just put down the screen. You have

to have such self -discipline to do this. I mean, because I've turned off every notification. It actually wasn't on silent then when I came in here to do a show, I heard it binging away. But just, you know, it's hard though. It's hard not to go, oh, click, click, click, click, click. Let me do my round of apps, taking the apps off. But it's really, and I think everybody can feel this when you're being sucked in and it's like click, click, click, click. The phone actually

should be. should be beeping at you. You know, like when you're in the car and you're doing, you go over the speed limit and it'll go, you know, and everyone turns that off. Of course, it doesn't have to be in his car. If I look in the mirror, it says you're moved your head off of it. I mean, it's got a camera. I don't want to put a piece of tape on the road. This is ridiculous. You're slumping. Sit up. I mean, he'll tell me that. And I'm like, I don't like your car. That's

a little extreme. It is very. But what you're saying is so spot on. This is important. Because again, you can lead or be led. You know, there's not a lot of in between there. And leading, I'm talking about the micro choices we make every day. The micro, not the big epic stuff, you know, that gets all the press. But I'm talking about the micro choices that all of us make on an ongoing basis. And we make thousands of them a day. And a lot of them are subconscious, you know, not

always. You know, we're doing things autopilot. But this chasing dopamine and all that, that just takes you down this track. Because it feels good when people applaud. It feels good when somebody jumps on your comment. You're like, oh my gosh, I got more comments on my comment than you did on your actual piece. You know what I mean? We start to live for things that have no value whatsoever. Exactly. And we become the

tool. We're getting used. And meanwhile, we're missing all the fantastic things that are taking place in our world. We're missing the God, the world and other things. We're missing all of the big picture stuff, which is phenomenal what is taking place. I mean, no one's even talking about Greenland anymore. Not that that was really actually the president Trump, the Trump I call

him now. He has an uncanny business sense of how to Focus people on something while he's doing something else over here, and then he says oh, yeah That's exactly what I wanted because he gets it man. It's getting worse. He gets exactly what what he wants But then in the background he's doing the the board of peace Which is this is gonna has that gotten any press whatsoever very little it's only like well You know you got to play a billion dollars. Do you know how

much? The United States pays the United Nations that we support. It's an unbelievable amount of money. So I think there's 21 countries now and it's growing every single day and it's real arch enemies. President Netanyahu has been asked, he's joined. President Putin will be joining, but also leaders from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Hungary, of course, the European

Union. Now that's interesting because everyone's been invited and they're all like, well, the president of Finland is like, well, I can't just join because this would be a parliamentary thing and we have to get approval from the Starfleet

command, et cetera, et cetera. But the idea that instead of having a big, beautiful building in New York and having all these meetings and round tables and all this different stuff, that instead we sit down and try to solve things from a business economic perspective, like how do we all help each other and work together? This is what the president has said. He says, I believe America will reunite when we have success as a people.

And I'm hoping he's right. I am too. But once everyone feels better about their life, about their city, about their economic position, which I truly believe we're going to see some big changes because all these tax benefits are kicking in this year. And you'll see people taking less withholding from their paychecks, which is money straight into your pocket right away. What he's doing with And I know I sound like a fanboy, but I am a fan of what he's doing. I am. I call

it as I see it. I'm a fan of what works. Exactly. I could care less. CW Miller came up to me a couple of weeks ago, and he just went off and he said, you know, I don't care about his tweets. I don't care about his hair. I don't care about his complexion. He said, America needs a leader who will lead, who will be decisive and will get it done and do what they, and then he said, that's what he's doing, but no one seems to be looking at that. They're looking at all the ancillary

things, the silly things. And I said, there are narratives out there that are designed for that. There's algos in the digital world, but there's another algo rhythm in the cultural world, behavioral world and the thinking. The mob think all of that is happening too. So, you know, it's not popular to talk about that. It's not a water cooler discussion to say, can you believe what he just did? How amazing that is. We should all try it from time to time. I'm saying we should

be operating some gracious speech. And what I tend to do is I say, did you see what Secretary Rubio did? Because he's really running the board of peace. Great memes about him, by the way, with the multiple hats. He's the general of every country. And, you know, we were talking about, we're all kind of watching these period pieces

right now. We kind of went in reverse. We started with the Gilded Age, then went to Downton Abbey, then went to Victoria, had a little detour on Death by Lightning, which is about President Garfield. And now we're watching The Crown. And you're going to have to pick up the Empress. I've thought about you. We're going to do the Empress. That'll be next. But the crown, not only have I met this queen that it's about most of the time in her older days, I went to Buckingham

Palace. I went through these gates and everything. I went, but I didn't get to go in. I was a tourist. They opened the gates for me, Pastor Jimmy. Like, welcome, sir. Funny enough, They picked me up into Mercedes, which is just so unbelievable for not to have a British car to bring me. But anyway. A lot of German influence there. They're all Germans. Exactly. But the whole thing, certainly in the 19th century, up until now we're Princess Diana, 87, 88. And I was very aware of what was

happening. I lived in Europe. I'd been to London several times before that. The royal family. seemed to only care about appearances. And particularly underneath the Queen, it's like, well, you got more press than I did, and look at what the news, and it's all, it's the same thing as today. Only there it's newspapers. Look at what the Daily Telegraph said. Look what the Times said. Oh, this is, it was just all about appearances, everything.

And it's kind of really disappointing. Like, you know, and they, well, I care about the Commonwealth and our constituents. No, you don't. You care about your own ego, says the lady who is supposed to be the connection between God and the Anglican Church. Yeah, that's another conversation. Yeah, it's just… And I just look at that, I'm like, we have had nothing but examples for this. In a way, President Trump hurts us because he is all about making the headline and he does it

on purpose. In a way. At least he tells you what he's doing. I mean, there's nothing hidden here. Well, it's in parables though. It's still kind of a parable because he'll go on and on and on about all these other countries and they let people out of jail and insane asylums. And he says it so much. And so often I went back and

looked at this. And then when you look at what's actually happened, it's true that there's been a whole organization of countries, South American countries, who have literally done this as a tactic to take over America from inside. And they've done this in collusion with some political organizations. specifically, Democrat Socialists of America. There's documented evidence of this. They're not even shy about saying it. It's true.

But because the president has said this over and over and over again, without any kind of further explanation, even I was completely desensitized. And I'm like, OK, I got it. But it's actually true. And it's just mind boggling to me. how he sometimes doesn't help with the way he does. The thing is, he's so honest. Maybe this is it. We're so used to people covering up the truth when they speak publicly, particularly in leadership roles. I agree. That we forget that he's actually

just telling you exactly like it is. Isn't that crazy though? It is. Yeah, we don't know what to do with him. We don't know what to do with the truth. It's cringeworthy. Yeah, you're exactly right. We don't because we're not used to seeing somebody that open, that transparent. especially at that level. My takeaway is we have to remember this. We have to remember that he's actually telling the truth and that we just forget that.

Well, everything he's been doing, I can't say everything, but most everything he's done, it ends up being the right thing. It just, you look down the line, it's kind of like Queen Victoria. I remember, you know, her Albert was like, Am I getting, I've watched so many period pieces. I'm going to get them all mixed up. You're doing good. Queen Victoria, her husband, you know, remember he kept trying to do different things and then it would come back to she was right

after all. Yes. She was right after all. And he kept bucking it. That's kind of like marriage, modern marriage. In general. I always come back to Annette. Your wife is always right. Yes. I can't believe I haven't learned that by now. You were right. And so yeah, that happens a lot. But that idea that He may actually know what he's doing. Oh, totally. He totally knows what he's doing. That's what I'm saying. And he's

been saying this for 30 years. You go back, he's been saying the same stuff over and over and over again. But he has broken something, this Davos thing. Something broke, something really changed. in what they call the liberal rules -based order, i .e. globalism. And all these other leaders are saying it. And now they're all off like, well, we don't need America. We're going to do a trade deal with the South American countries. That's the EU with the Mercursor deal.

Keir Starmer just went to China with executives from GlaxoSmithKline and Range Rover. And we're going to do a deal. And our president's like, yeah, you should. You should do a deal. By the way, it's such a misconception. I still hear lots of podcasts about, well, the CCP, the CCP and the Chinese Communist Party, and they're going to, you know, they're sending all these people in, they're going to take over our country, military age, man. I'd like people to understand

that we are China's customer. We are definitely in bad together. And they would never want to hurt their customer. We're their best customer. We are. Best price. Yep. And so you remember the National Security Strategy document that we discussed? Yes. Guess what? A new document dropped. Oh, really? It's also only about 35 pages. Everybody can read it. It's in pure English. This is the National Defense strategy. And I'll just summarize it because it's not what you think

it would be. One, Fortress America. We're protecting ourselves. This is, of course, part of the Golden Dome, whatever that is, but it'll be something. It'll be big and beautiful. But it's also putting China down a couple notches. We're not going to go and be all freaked out about China if China wants to take over It's really about Taiwan because all semiconductor chips basically still come from Taiwan. The president has started building our own capacity here. That will take a while.

But ultimately, okay, so if China decides, you know, we just want to show everybody that this really is ours, and there's lots of arguments to say that it is, but it's not even our argument to have. What, they're not going to sell us chips? They're just going to shut it down? No. The deterrence by denial is what it's being called. So we're going to we're not going to be all freaked out about China, which I think is probably good.

Burden sharing is a big one. We're no longer going to be the guys who you call every single time. We pay for everything. You don't do any. That's that's really a big part of what Greenland was. It's like, hey, we just want to have this Greenland thing that we can take care of because, you know, it's a. a big new shipping routes and someone needs to be watching over that. We want to do that for our own because it's, you know, it's Alaska. It's up there. It's the North Pole,

you know, it's North America. Yes, Canada, we actually want to help you too. But like the European Union, no, we'll still, you know, I think NATO is still good to go, but it's very much, you know, you guys got to take care of your own business now, which I think is really, it's about time. We've been fighting wars for other people for a long time. And then, of course, the number one thing is to rebuild our industrial base, which has been ongoing. And man, I sure hope

I see these factories coming. I hear about them a lot. I hear about $18 trillion of investment. I'm just praying that it comes because only the people who make stuff get to get their survive in this world. And that is seen as a part of our defense strategy. And I think it's, I mean, this is so different than, you know, we're going to spread democracy in the Middle East. How many times have we heard that nonsense? And how many times has that come to burn us over and over

again? So I just pray that people will see some of the bigger picture and enjoy, if anything, enjoy this time in this administration. You're never going, you will never see anything like this again in your lifetime. That's been an important theme that I've been trying to help people understand that when we had the other administration and the Biden administration, things needed to be said and loud and often. We were in major crisis.

We were at a turning point, tipping point, so to speak, and it needed to be said from pulpits, from podcasters, from everybody. We're in a different season now. That doesn't mean we don't need to be speaking, but we need to be speaking differently. We need to have a different tone. First of all, we need to be cheering on the good that's happening and not just constantly focusing on the hard stuff. That will always be there. There will be more than enough material for that from now

on until Jesus comes back. I mean, literally, He said it. In fact, If we are in the last of the last days, there is a good chance things could get worse. And globally speaking. So my attitude right now is I want to accentuate the good things that are happening. Still address what needs to be addressed. Immorality, unrighteousness, ungodliness, corruption, still there. I mean, all that needs to be spoken into. But let's let us... I don't want to just be known for what

I'm against. Amen. We're right back to the beginning. Perfect. Perfect. There it is. Yeah, that's exactly right. Boomshakalaka. And that is part of the problem is we got our shows, we got our influence sphere, we got our ex and our Instagram account and we're so trained. It's like, can you believe this? Look at this. Look at that. Yeah. the world is changing around us and it's hard for people because it's always a draw. What is that? Is it the enemy that always just wants us to be

all enthralled by the negative? Why is positivity so hard? Think about it. How you build something is typically how you have to keep and maintain it. So if your podcast or whatever you're doing was built on controversy, built on conspiracy, built on outrage over whatever. You know, it's hard to shift gears midstream and go to a more positive orientation when you built that way. And I think a lot of great podcasters who are sharp and tuned in and culturally savvy are finding

themselves. And we sense this, you and I talked about this right after the election. and things started to really work. Those first 115 days were insane. Every day, you couldn't keep up with the good things that were happening. And it left podcasters going, what are we talking

about now? What do we do now? You know, a lot of them were like, and I could sense that as I looked at some of the people I enjoy, or I wouldn't even say enjoy, people that I was getting informed by, they were struggling because they didn't have the most obvious low -hanging fruit like they did for the last four years. That was easy. But all of a sudden, they're having to find problems within that. And even the narratives on TV, for a while, they didn't know what to

do. We've talked about this. They were in a little bit of a shutdown mode. I mean, they're firing people right and left. They don't know what to do. I mean, now we've reinvented things. We've now found Minneapolis. We've found ice issues. We found things to go after. And now it's kind of... It's like the Weather Channel, you know? They get so excited when something bad happens. Exploding trees! They're trying not to. You know, you can tell they don't want to be excited about

it, but they live for this stuff. And so we just have to be... I just want to be a positive voice. I want to live up. I want to live up in a down world. Exactly. But do address what needs to be addressed. Yeah. I just want to live there. I think that... Is that living? No. I don't want

to live there. No. I think the hardest thing, and we've talked about audience capture before, is because whenever I speak positively about what's happening, the first thing you get is there's a section of people who say, oh, you're such a fanboy. Why don't you kiss Trump's ass more? Pardon me for saying that. But I'm like, don't you see that it's not about that. It's about seeing something that's good. Everybody, a large portion of people just want to hear bad.

Doesn't matter. President A, President B, they're all bad. They all suck. Well, yeah, they're all human. So they're all going to be broken. But when good things happen, they just have a problem here. This is the rage syndrome. But it drives me mad. It's just rage syndrome in general. We used to have The shining moment of the day news. Remember we had Paul Harvey. Yes, yes. And the rest of the story. And that's the rest of the story. Oh my gosh, classic. But it was always

this life -giving, positive thing. And here I was a teenager, you know, driving to school, high school, coming down 380 into post, you know, off the Caprock in my truck. And either I had kiss going or bad company or I had Paul Harvey on the radio. I was like, man, this is so cool. In that AM. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. When the lightning would strike, you'd hear it crackle on your radio. That was the day. But there were so much more positive voices out there.

I just wish there would be a revolution in podcast world into a different tone. Again, you don't have to not address things. You can address them. But again, tone is everything and intent. Why am I saying what I'm saying? I'm so glad that we're not sponsored or anything, we can get in here and talk like this and have a real conversation as opposed to, man, we got to lean into this, lean into that, because we got to get the comments

up, got to get the likes. Or a friend of mine, I'm not going to say a name, but every podcast he comes out, this will be controversial. Listen until the end. And you know what? His podcast is blowing up. Of course it is. Yeah, it is. Real Christianity that isn't in America anymore. Wow. I mean, he's just going there and I'm like, I'm almost sad I was on a show. I've started saying no to some shows. I've kind of backed off. Yeah. And I've been invited and said, Hey,

thanks. But man, and a lot of times I do have schedule issues, but I literally just, I'm not trying to get out there like that anymore. I'm a local church pastor. I want to help people live up in a world. I want to. Find some good

in this thing. You are doing it brother find hope so let us end again gracious Gracious words are like a honeycomb sweetness to the soul and health of the body Let's be graciously come on for this week just for this week and the enemy is all over our system here He's telling us I'm trying to shut this down He can't do it. He can't do it. All right, brother We'll do this again next week. We get to do this God, the world, and other things. We get to do this. We'll be

back next week. Thanks for listening, everybody.

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