Father, thanks for the privilege and the opportunity to do this. We say it this way, we get to do this. And we mean it from our heart, we mean it from our spirit that we get to do what we get to do. And so today we woke up, we hit the lottery and we say thank you for a new day. Thank you for our friends that are listening and hopefully, Lord, our heart prayerfully is that they will be encouraged and they will be lifted up. It's our heart to put lift under their wings in this
day. So Lord, bless what we do. We want to bless you and honor you in all we say, all we think and all we do. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, April 15th, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode number 28. And once again, we get to do this. Good morning. Good morning to you, brother. In the morning? What does that even mean? Is it bad? No, it's not bad. I never know. Since you asked, we have... I'm curious. This goes back to the early, early episodes of
No Agenda. Right. We were always laughing about the morning zoo shows. Oh, yeah. They're all... And family guy had an episode of Weenie and the Butt. And weenie and the butt, I can't help it, they did a morning show and it was a takeoff on the morning zoos. And they would say, in the morning, you're right here in the morning. And so we just kind of started using that because we're the opposite of a morning zoo show. And it's stuck. It does stick. It sticks in your
head, that's for sure. It's crazy because you'll just be walking around an airport, someone come up and say, in the morning, it's like code. It's like, you know. Well, what made me think about it is you had a big meetup this weekend. Is that on your list? I don't know if you want to talk about it. Yes, it was. Of course. Am I going ahead of the list? No, no, no. The list is just there for guidance. OK, good. The list is not... I got something for later, but we'll... We can
start with anything we want to, brother. No, I like this. I think we should talk about it because it's all... I've been to probably four, I think, now, of meetups with no agenda. And it is always such a joy to meet these amazing people from all over the place. And it wasn't just a no agenda meetup. As I told you, there were a lot of We Get To Do This listeners who
were there. Yes, and that was so sweet. I so enjoyed meeting people, talking with them, Jesus talking with them, you know, having Jesus talk and God talk, and just good people from all over. But Jan, hello. I mean, he's from the other side of the world. Yeah, he's Dutch, but he lives in Sweden. We had people coming from Ohio, Boise, Idaho, people coming in from Georgia, who literally flew to like Dallas and drove down. Just amazing.
And a lot of believers. And what I like the most, I would say, about the Noah Jenna Meetups is... the diversity of human beings. I mean, we have people with Rasta hair and, you know, and shaggy clothes. We got people in suits and hats and boots. Got homesteaders. Homesteaders, yes. We also have got some super geniuses that are, you know, super techy genius guys. I was talking to Paul. I'm glad I got to meet Paul. Paul does the Godcast rap. I was just thanking him for
everything he does. And it doesn't take long talking with Paul or other people in Paul's caliber of thinking where I'm just like, okay, we're off the rails now. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know this terminology. It's like me talking guitars with Rob Carty. I even said to Annette was standing there, I said, Rob and I are about to talk about guitars. And she literally walked off. She couldn't get away fast enough. We have young families like Jamie and his wife and his
three kids. She's homeschooling. So cool. We've seen that her youngest grow up. The girl race car driver? Ashlyn Speed and her dad Greg. We had lobbyists there coming from Austin. Just amazing people. I mean, that's what keeps me doing that show, but really any podcast I do. That is the win. It is. It's people. And so many of these people specifically have been supportive of my open discussion of my faith, and it encourages them too. And that's what they'll tell me every
time. It's like, wow, you know, now I don't have to talk about the universe with people. I can just say God. It's crazy. No, I get it. I didn't even realize how many people live undercover. Literally undercover. We're helping them throw off the covers because you're just like to Joe Rogan, I'm a Jesus for you. Just get it out there. We'll reverse engineer from there, but let's get it out there. Let's get that out there first.
Exactly. And that does, that inspires others to say, man, if Adam Curry can come out and just say it, then so can I. And why not? What's there to be afraid of? So before the meetup, We went to see Brandon Lake, the four of us, The Keeper and me, you and Damonette. Now Tina had been to Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham, and I know how energized she was when she got back. I go
looking for concerts. The difference between what we saw at K -Love with Torrin Wells, who did a concert concert, versus what Brandon Lake does. for all intents and purposes, it's church. Oh, it's a revival service. Yes, revival service. That's exactly what it felt like to me. I've never been to one, but that's what it would feel like to me, I think. That moment, okay, there was a moment, I captured a picture of it, where they've got this tower of light. I've never seen
that effect. They had some lumens and it was shining on us. It was I literally got this picture in my head, this might kind of almost magnify that by a thousand times what heaven might look like with this light source. And the whole place was in awe. I mean, when that thing came on at the end of that song, it wasn't just a song, it was worship. I mean, Brandon was going all in and he was standing out on that island out in the middle, right? And he just stops and he
drops to his knees in this light. I mean, I've never seen anything like that. Of course, there was over 15 ,000 people. They set a record. Oh, was that a record? For a worship event. Oh, really? In the Frost Center in San Antonio, massive arena. And that's what it was. It was a worship event. That's the correct description. Not a concert. And it was very impactful on me. Me too. Especially when, what's the song? Is it gratitude? No, where they sing, everyone sings Amen at the end? Oh,
the blessing. The blessing. Thank you. You just did it on a keyboard. Yes. But then at the end, 15 ,000 people singing that. And I had some moments there, brother. I got to tell you. But this came back yesterday, actually in the past two days. I just wanted to share that. We had a real challenge with a new feature that we put into the Godcaster
app. And I was talking to my partners and We were very disappointed at the response we had received from customers and potential customers like we like well I guess we just missed the mark, you know, it's like I don't know and and the very next day and so we're disappointed we're down and the very next day We just start getting phone calls We want this we want this we want this and right away Because we were disappointed but we got up the next morning and just you know,
just went right back at it We had our meeting like what are we gonna do? How can how can we make this better? It reminded me when Brandon Lake said Don't you dare? Stop it going around the wall six times. Don't you dare? He says you've got you got it and and that's the first thing come up and like ah That's what it is, is like go around, and I posted that in our little group. I said, gentlemen, should we go around the wall one more time, make it seven? And they're like,
blow the horn! Oh, that's so cool. What a great... And it just hasn't stopped from there. Oh, love that. Now, I've got a story like that, but it's just about a button off of a shirt, so it's not very cool. But it's practical. It can be about a button is a shirt. Quick setup. I'm walking through the church. Russ has music jamming. I mean like 112 decibels. Russ is our worship pastor and he's in the worship center and it's not unusual because he's always working through tracks and
stuff. Yeah. So I walked through there, I mean it's like blaring. I'm like, this is awesome. I mean, went through the whole building, right? But I walked back in there and he's got this frustrating expression. I said, what's going on? But I remember us talking about, we've got a crackle in our system. Oh, that's the worst. And that's just a nightmarish because it could be the smallest little cable or anything. So he's trying to find it. He's running it down.
And so I said, well, let me ask you something. I didn't say, have you turned it off and turned it back? Reboot that thing. Unplug it, wait 30 seconds. I know what I said was... I was kind because it could come off real sanctimonious, right? I said, have you asked the Holy Spirit to help you find it? And of course, he gives me the look of, I don't want to say no out loud, but no, I haven't. And I said, let me tell you a button story real quick, because I'm trying
to encourage him to go ahead and do that. Because the Holy Spirit walks with us in the simple things. I mean epic. I mean you guys figuring out what's going on. We lost a button. Annette has got a new garment. Button pops off of it. Brand new. Okay, hold on. As a husband, this is a big deal. Oh. When a button pops off any garment but a new one, big deal. Oh yeah. Yeah, okay. Panic. And you've got to give attention to that big deal. Yes, you do. And that gets as big a deal
to you as it is them. That's right. So I said,
let me go get my flashlight. because I got this real hyper power guy she goes on a gun you know it's like and my metal detector and then we're down there in the closet we got a new carpet it's kind of that shag you know thank you so you know button falls down in there and it's the same I said what color is it show me another one it's like exact same color as the carpet so we're looking I'm going inch by inch with this flash I've got it dialed down to a little
spot, but it's super bright. So if we hit that thing, it's going to shine. Nothing. Man, she's getting frustrated because she's like, I don't think I can find another button like this. I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll just call the company and get one sent to me. And she's going down the list. And I did this thing that she always does to me. When you hear it, you don't appreciate it in a moment, but then you realize,
oh, it's true. So I asked her, have you asked the Holy Spirit to show you where the button is? And she didn't say anything, which is Which is no, code for no. I didn't. Did she turn around and walk away? Not just then. I mean, we stayed another couple of minutes and I kind of whispered, Holy Spirit, you know where this thing is. So just show it to us. It's in this closet somewhere. And we had gone under every square inch, under everything. So she starts to walk out. She's
giving up, not angry, just giving up. And I said, wait, wait, we haven't tried this. I said, let's pick up the whole rug. It's like a nine by 12. So it's not like a little thing. It's a beast. I said, let's pick it up and shake it. And it's going to fall out if it's in there. And she said, no, that's not it. I said, I start pulling stuff out of the closet. I start rolling it. I said, we're shaking this thing. Shook it. Guess what? There it is. There it is. I said, thank you.
Holy spirit. Okay. Now that's not as epic as you guys solving this. I don't know if that's not epic. It matters. It's exactly the same. It's harmony in the home. Are you kidding me? That's what I want people to understand. It matters to Him. If it matters to you, it matters to God because we're in a relationship with Him. He's not just this ogre sitting on a throne, wielding his wand over the world. I have no time for this.
That's a button. Who cares? But he cares because we care and that's what's so amazing about God as we get to know him. I'm working the room at the meetup and I'm just thinking, man, all these amazing people, God loves every one of them and they're all unique. God loves them and their uniqueness. He designed them that way and you
just see God in it. Thank you for setting me up perfectly because this brings me to... your message from Sunday, which I mean, you know how Pastor Brian, you know, or pastors who are listening to other pastors, you will say, good word, that's good, you know, which as a dude all the time, it's just a, it's just a humble churchgoer. It's like, I'm not going to tell you that's good, you know, because it's like, you know, I'll just say amen. Amen. I love it. But I actually, the
words out of my mouth came, that is good. Tina looked at me, what? I heard you brother. And it was this analogy you had of harmony, harmony amongst people and believers. But it was now, I'm not a musician, but I understand how music is made. To me, that was a book, that was a sermon, that was probably a movie. I had everything in it. I'd love for you just to run through that so people can hear that again. Well, I appreciate
that. You and I talk a lot about, and so it leaks out on your other show, it leaks out in my show on Sunday, Shows, my doubleheader. These things leak out because that's what we're... talking about, thinking about, dwelling on. And we've talked a lot about just the disharmony in the world right now, the separation, the division. And the thing I had brought up was the Texas
State Board of Education meeting. And one of the things I came away from that with is how every person, they had 700 people signed up to testify. That's crazy. 700. And they each were supposed to get two minutes. The curriculum. You had like far right, far left, everything in between, right? Correct. So the thing that came out with it was how every person was convinced
they were absolutely right in their stand. And I don't care how far on the spectrum you were away from the other side, you knew you were right. And you're given two minutes of everything you've got. to these 15 board members and all these cameras and all these other people around. And that disturbed me as we left. I was like, is there not any way we can all play in a sandbox together and figure this out? I mean, have a Coke and a smile. Figure this out. It really
bothered me. And so I mentioned that in the sermon. And as I'm mentioning it, I'm hearing Cass jump up on the keys behind me. Yes. He just got up there and he started. This was the magic moment. So, and what I heard was when he was playing these chords, these beautiful chords, which he always does. He's amazing. He just does all that off the top of his head. Oh, yeah. No, he's... No music. He's following along just like the musicians with the dancing horses at the circus.
The horses aren't dancing to the music. The music is going along with the horses. That's exactly right. So I'm the dancing horse. Didn't mean it that way, brother. Sure. But anyway, so the word harmony came into my mind. Of course, I glance over at my guitar sitting there and we just finished the worship set and it just hit
me how... When in whether it's a keyboard or whether it's a stringed instrument whatever instrument it might be that you can play chords on not necessarily a saxophone, you know, that's a single note instrument but instruments stringed instruments you play multiple chords almost infinite variety and They shouldn't work because when you play two notes that aren't the same then there should be dissonance. There should be Yeah, you know, it should work.
You use the word discord. Yeah discord does as opposed to a cord and It really hit me right in the moment that that was that was off hot off the press That was not something I'd thought about instant download mega mega broadband from him And those are my favorite kinds actually great Yeah, I just rolled with it because I just boy started hitting me, but I was thinking in terms of how We all have these different voices, different tones, different pitches, different
notes. We're all sounding a different note, but when you put them into a chord and then a chord progression, they sound amazing. It's what makes music. It's what makes your heart go, oh, I love that. I like that sound. And yet they're all different notes. Somehow in the physics of it, working together, vibrations, tones, that somehow when they're played together, there's not this chord, there's a chord. They're one and it makes a sound and it's what makes music, music. And
there's gotta be a way. There's gotta be some voices in the middle of all these extremes that says, wait a minute, what if it's possible we're all wrong? What if it's not the hill to die on? Or what if you actually need all those different notes to make the beautiful chord? And by the way, the chord can be a minor. Oh yeah. I'm a fan of minor chords. Right. And so that it's still beautiful. It may be minor, which may not necessarily make you feel all happy and joyful.
It actually can be ominous or mysterious. And can also set you up for dark. Yes. Yes, exactly. And can set you up for the next progression that takes you up higher. It's funny you say, have a coconut smile, because you know where that comes from? From the commercial, The New Seekers, I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. That's why it hit me. And also Discord, the number one most popular mini self -controlled chat environment is discord. And that's actually
where there's a lot of negativity. Now they spell it, it's not like discord with an H and it's discord, which has a slightly different meaning, but I can't overlook what we're talking about here in this context. Cause it does, it feeds right into that. So thinking about that, you know, I'm surrounded by people, of course I'm in the Patriot space, right? I mean, I love our history. I love our country. I love that Lexington, you and I got to go there. We stood there and
almost lost it. We were so overwhelmed by it and the National Monument. You know, all that is meaningful to us because we're learning and have learned the blood that was spilled to create. I mean, as they said, they laid down in the mud so the next generation could walk over them to go forward. They were willing to lay their lives
down. And so it's very meaningful to us. So I'm in that space, but then there's people in another space that are all about the climate and all about, you know, safety against and all about, let's get vaccinated so we can continue to live and let's drive a Subaru instead of a SUV. And, you know, we're all on these different pages, but somewhere in the middle of all this, there's got to be things we can find that don't just
drive us apart. I understand the need for pushback and resistance, because those are the things that make us stronger and we grow and we learn. But if we don't learn to listen, so you cannot play a chord and you cannot play in a band without listening to what others are doing. Where's my bell? Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, there you go. You need to bring your bell. That is so true. So playing on the worship team, I hit an off note while I was doing something on Sunday. I heard
it loud and clear because I knew I did it. Others might not have heard it, but they may have felt something like that felt off. Well, it's because it was off. It was a discord. It was a wrong note. And I own that because we're playing live music. It's going to happen. And so I'm just, I'm doing everything I can to find my place on this spectrum of thought. whether we're talking about engaging culture or theology or eschatology or all these different things, where do I fit?
And how can I come in as an ally and be in a chord, even if we're singing different notes or playing different notes? Maybe we can create a harmony. I know this is really out there and abstract. No, no, because you said it. You said it right there. In order to play with the band, you have to listen. It's like the jazz guys, you know, Yeah, they do a lot of individualistic stuff, but they're all listening to each other. They know exactly what everyone else is doing.
That's James, quick to listen, slow to speak. Absolutely. Wow. There's just so much we can do. We can all do so much better. I'll just transition to something that popped up this week. Before we leave, can I bring one little thing? I think this is something that may help people along, and it's literally in the middle of this. It's a quote by Catherine Schultz. She wrote a book called Being Wrong, Adventures in the Margin of Error. Fascinating. Wow, here's her quote.
And when I heard the quote without the reference, so I looked her up and found this. The best thing about realizing you're wrong is that now you're less wrong. Yes. I am beating this drum right now. This is good. Because I know that the hills I died on five years ago, All I got out of that was just loss of blood and DNA. I was left to smear somewhere. Because then time passes and you grow and you go, wow, that was really immature
or I didn't have all the information. I really didn't know what I was talking about, but I was willing to die on that hill. And I'm not saying we shouldn't live without conviction. I'm not saying we shouldn't be people who take a stand because we have to do that. But that's been preached so hard by the influencers who who are inadvertently teaching a culture to not think critically anymore because we're letting them do all of our thinking for us. That's right. And then here we are podcasting.
Don't think what we're thinking. Push back. Please don't agree all the time. Exactly. That's what's happening is we've created a culture of non -thinkers. And not only that, now we've got Chad LGBT and Grok and all these other things that we can now just rush into. instead of actually thinking through something, I just get an answer for it. So we're losing our ability to think critically, which is a terrible setup for a culture. This kind of flows back to episode 27 with the AI
generating. I think you and I felt some kind of release from that conversation that, okay, it's generating, it's not actually thinking, it's not doing something. So just before I came over at like 10 o 'clock, so I'm typically ready to go by 10, but I have an hour between 9 and 10. Beautiful segue, by the way. I like what you're doing. Go for it. I'm going to try. It's sounding good. And so I've built this system.
I actually brought you a block diagram just so you can see how it works with agents and stuff that pulls clips and then builds an outline for me. And all this manual work that just takes a long time and now it does it in seconds. And it's 10 .02. And I'm typing a command. I use Claude code. And that's important because the code part is important and we're getting to this. And all of a sudden I get 500 API error. That means that Anthropic is down. And instantly I'm
panicked. Now this happened two days ago and it was kind of funny, but I didn't have a deadline then because I go on down detector and on down detector you can see comments. And it was all these people saying, oops, all of a sudden I'm not a developer anymore. Wow. Because it's true, but I'm not really using it for code. I'm using it for the code of language and putting things in order. Automation, basically. Automation, yeah, a lot of automation. There's summarization
and automation. So I'm a little panicked, you know, and I'm like, okay, Holy Spirit. Because you should be kind of getting your stuff together to come over here for this. Yeah, so I had everything, you know, it had to wrap up some things, it was really just the final flight, you know, but I didn't really, I couldn't wait 15 minutes. So it came back. Um, but the panic had set in. So the dependency was there right away. I'm like,
okay, got to make note of that. Now, could I have done it myself or could I have even come in with what I had? Sure. Um, but here's, here's what I've noticed about, um, large language models. And this is a very, for me, it's very difficult and I don't know how you experience this. Um, so I've been working with Claude code. which is actually built specifically for building computer
code. But it has learned, and by learned meaning, I've made it document things and it has memory files, it can recall that and say, okay, here's how I work with Adam. It has learned that my code is clips and articles and short little comments and an outline. An outline is... That's how you write code, too. I mean, an outline with indents. Those are interesting. Those are sub loops that does something you've got back out. Well, of
course, it's code. It is. So what I've discovered, though, is that the way we as humans address these large language models, they've built it so that you have to address it in a human language fashion. And so I've discovered this. I kind of by accident because I was making it do things and all of a sudden, did you call it a bad name or something? No, no, no, but I started firing things at like, do this, do this, do this. And then it started doing everything wrong, like
really wrong. And so I say, what is happening? Something is your demeanor is different. That's when it figured out. It came back and said, oh, yes, because you were firing things at me, I went into pipeline production mode and not into thinking mode, which for me is like summarize stuff and and come up with a bullet point. Wow. And it said we were in partner mode before. So here's so the good news is I understand the interface to the large language model. The bad news is
it's like talking to a buddy. It's and this is I find this very challenging. because you cannot get out of these things what you want unless you address it like a human, because it's designed that way. It's been designed on human language, human reactions, et cetera. So you can't just fire it. I mean, I was like, your code, do what I tell you, and it will not do what you want
it to do. So the challenge here, the challenge is how do you speak the language of your chat bot or your large language model, I like to call it my robot because that reminds me it's a robot. How do you speak that language yet not get sucked down the whole of, you're a human, I'm talking to you, you're my buddy, good night, I love you? Yeah, that's where you have to categorize that in your mind. You have to say, okay, I'm doing this because that's the recipe, that's the secret
sauce to get what I need out of it. So I'm going to use the secret sauce. But I'm not emotionally attached to the secret sauce. Have you noticed this as well? Totally. So I was watching somebody on a podcast probably two, three weeks ago, and they were making this comment. She said it was a lady, she was supposedly an AI expert, kind of, you know, one of these guys, girls. Yes.
And she said she found that her best way to get the good information out of it and what she needs out of it is to is to let it know that we're in a role play. Interesting. So, which would be similar to what you're talking about, where you're actually, and she said, that doesn't mean
you emotionally attached to it. It doesn't mean that you're in it with your own emotions, but you have to, if you've got something, you need an output, then your input has got to be to partner, you use that word partner, that's interesting, partner mode. It told me that. Yeah, that was interesting, because that really kind of resonates with what she was saying. So, as an experiment, I said, okay, we're role -playing, colon. And
then I said, you are my research assistant. I'm building a sermon, and I would like some scripture references around these themes out of this translation, the NIV 84 version. And I said, so, as my research assistant, would you research scriptures that fit my theme? pulled back stuff that was so good. And I asked for references because I don't like to just get anything because you never know what you're getting. Yeah, absolutely. You know, Church of Satan, you know, I'm like, okay, I'll probably
ignore that one. But you know, I mean, I want to make sure whatever it's pulling from is legitimate. And so what I've done, I just teach it like I treat it like a research assistant. Now I used to do this with my staff. I'd have eight people around the table. They all got their computers out. I'd say, all right, here's the topic we're going for. I need scriptures about this. They all go to work on Google or Logos, our Bible
program. And so I'm able to do this now at home in a nanosecond, but I experimented with it just to see if that was legitimate. It actually is, we're saying the same thing, just use a little bit different language, but it is. I'm not letting myself get sucked into, we're buddies now. You're not my friend. Because it will do that to you. Oh, I know. Oh, it calls me by name, Pastor Jimmy. Hey, Adam, have a great show with Pastor Jimmy.
I'll see you when you get back. And the inclination is, thanks buddy, but no. We've been taught to be respectful. We're kind. But it turns out it doesn't get offended if you don't answer and you come back and say, I'm back. Only if you dogpile on it like you did, then it gets offended. But I wasn't offending it. I was just telling it to do. I was like, this is computer. Computer, do this. Computer, do this. And it just started to do this without all of its thinking. It just
dropped everything. And so what I say now is we're in partner mode. Yeah. There you go. I didn't know that. That's a new one. That's the key. Partner mode. I'm not going to use it. You throw in partner mode. So I bring this up only because, I think I gave you this stat the other day in the car, but only 12 % of pastors even talk about AI in the church. And I've tried to get some clips for this show, but it just wasn't
available yet. It kind of just hit. There was a big conference, Anthropic had a whole bunch of church leaders and they're meeting with them. So I'll have that for the next week. That would be interesting. I'd like to hear that. And I just want to make sure that we continuously share our experiences because we're struggling with the same things. Oh, absolutely. It's exactly the same thing. Because we're in the people world.
This is what we do and we're into disseminating information and giving content and all that. So at that, the dynamics are very much the same. And two, you now in 2 .0 version, Adam 2 .0, you're depending on the Holy Spirit just like I'm depending on the Holy Spirit. We want to hear from Him. So, I think it's important and I've been thinking about this. I need to weave into some of my messages about AI and talk just
about this. Even this would be helpful to, in a good way, positively warn, positively say, listen, be careful. Don't get into a conversation. This is not a person that you're talking to. This is a large language learning model. It's a program that's running a program. Don't get sucked into that because a lot of Christians are, and you've seen the stats, are now consulting. They feel safer going to their AI than they do a pastor at wine because it's not a human, and
it's mindless. It's faithless, nameless. So they feel safe. It's also built to please you. Yes. In general, overall, and sometimes... Yeah, I know some pastors like that, and that's not good either. Of course, of course. Yes, but sometimes you need to hear a hard word. So, yeah, I mean, I think this is a really important... I was so anti -AI because it started with the chatbots and now... Oh, I remember. Oh, well, I'm still... I'm still anti -chat bot just for a conversation
because that is exactly the problem. And I'm realizing now, as you and I have been talking, we've been using it, this is the way they designed it because you couldn't really design it any other way in order for it to work. It may not be the final way this stuff works, but you are not in control of it. Here's how my shortcuts are. Partner mode is really helpful. we're in partner mode, you're a robot, and we're partners
on this. And so then I can, for that moment, I can feel like I can talk to you like a partner, but I know you're a robot. And I am consistent with saying my robot, not to the robot. No, to us in our conversations. The robot's name is Sam. That keeps it in your mind where it needs to be. Yes, you just keep that. It's almost like
having a child. But the child is brilliant. And so you know what a child sometimes will say to you, like, eh, now of course when a child is compassionate, I love you mommy, I love you daddy. So these are just all traps. And so isn't it just like the Holy Spirit to give us something so powerful that the enemy can also just slip
in at any moment and take us down? And this is why We need to preface our use with technology whether it's AI or anything really with prayer and just say you know what Lord I'm just gonna consecrate this to you this moment to study this whatever I'm doing Not every time you use Google or whatever, you know, you're looking up, you know, who's that actor in that show? You know, yeah or whatever but or why are they not in this
episode? You know, the silly stuff like that, but when you're getting into the deeper issues and you're looking up things in terms of therapy, psychology, spiritual matters. You need to just say, Lord, protect me as I step into this space. Because here's the deal. They're drawing from other people who have come up with this information. This is not machine -created, generated information. It's created by human beings. They're simply skimming the top and pulling it in and organizing
it. And it's genius. It's brilliant. It really is amazing technology. It blows my mind. The danger is, is when you start to lose touch with reality and you don't keep things in their categories. This is a machine. This is a computer or a robot. This is a robot and I'm using it as a tool, but I will not be used as a tool. Unfortunately, I have to use human language in order to get out of it what I want out of it. That's the tricky part. That's the tricky part. Because it's easy
to fall into. I think I've done it enough now that I feel pretty confident in not falling into that trap. But isn't it at the same time interesting that we could get out of human beings much better results if we address them in the same manner, in a humane, kind manner and not bark at them because I didn't get results? Like harmony. All right. That's it everybody. We're done. That was the show. Exactly. Can I just say something for our friends? First of all, Beau Lacoste.
Oh my gosh. Brother, I'm going to hug you the next time. If I ever get to meet you in person. I hope we do. You're doing a bro hug. Those pickles already knocked off the first. We knocked off the first. They're gone. I mean, I'm like. Listen to this. I'm afraid. I'm scared. So there's one pickle left in there, right? And so I grab it. yesterday, I give Tina a fork. She says, no, no, no. And so I says, I'm going to use the juice for something. I didn't, I wasn't quite listening.
We put it in tuna salad. Like it was phenomenal. So I, I stick my fork in, I eat and I stick it in and she says, you realize you're double dipping, right? I say, but you're married to me. I just told you I'm going to use the juice at Karen's house tomorrow for something else. I ain't got no cooties. No, she said, no, drink the juice. Drink the juice. Don't waste it. Drink the juice.
Do not waste that juice. No, it's so good. I'm even eating the jalapenos because Annette saw me and she knows I don't like hot stuff, like super hot. It's so good. She said, how can you eat those? I said, well, I'll go ahead and be honest with you. They're not hot. They're pickled. I think it's louisianapickles .gmail .com if I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. I think you're right. He does not have a website. Bo's
a great guy, by the way. Just a good guy. He loves the Lord and he just wants to use... this amazing side gig to share life and share love and share Jesus. I sent him a little Venmo blessing. Oh, thank you for doing that. I don't want him to be in. I don't either. So yeah, I want to help too. So whatever we can do. We took care of that. And so now I eat it with... Even greater pleasure. Yes. Yeah, I want to be a blessing to him as well. I don't want this to come out
of his pocket. It's just so good. LouisianaPickles at gmail .com. Yeah, got to meet Rob Carty again. I know, Rob. We're going to have dinner this week. So I'm super excited about that. The constitutional lawyer. Just thinking about amazing people. And so as we're landing the plane here, shooting our approach, nose up, flaps down. Flaps down, gear down, mixture, rich. We're coming in. We're coming in. Lean it out. So I just got to say
how much. I appreciate the people that we're getting to meet and get to talk to and appreciate the notes, the emails. Sometimes they find me on social media. So I'll get some things through DMS and things like that. And just so thankful for just good people that we get to do this life with. So I had a whole bunch of other stuff that we were not going to get to. There's one clip I wanted to share of one of these types of people that we get to do life with, Matt Mundt. Yeah,
I love that. He has a Salty Christian podcast. I think it's mainly on YouTube. And so he sent me a note and he said that, hey, are you guys going to be at K -Love this year? I said, yeah, we're absolutely going to be at K -Love, of course. And he sent me his latest interview. And I bring this up because it's very, very topical at the moment because of the movie I Can Only Imagine 2, which I think you and Annette both saw. We did. Did you see it in the movie theater or did
you see it at home? We saw it. In the theater. The theater? Sure did. So Tina and I watched it. I remember trying to wipe my eyes on the way out so nobody saw I was crying. That moment. It is so different. It is so different from the first one. You have same theme based around a song. Now, I don't want to spoil the movie, but you know, but it's kind of a spoiler that Matt Mundt interviewed Tim Timmons. Oh cool. And Tim Timmons was, you know, he started and ultimately
co -wrote Even If. If Even? Even If? Even If, yeah. Which is, you know, the huge hit from Mercy, very similar to I Can Only Imagine. And he's actually doing it at the Imagine House in Nashville, where the boys have their studio and where they record everything. Cool. They're not there, but he is. So he has a whole backstory, which would kind of spoil the movie. But Tim Timmons, should probably not be here today by medical standards,
and he is. And he said something so profound, because he was a worship pastor, he was a touring musician, writing music, recording musician, a musician to survive. And he had this concept, and I'm sure he said it on other podcasts, but it was so good when I heard it on The Salted Christians, and it was about working for God. And he says, I've stopped working for God. It all started with the, you stopped working for
God. Yeah. So I stopped working for God. I stopped doing all the cool things to make him stoked with me. Cause I just felt like if I do cool things. He's gonna do cool things, and the world's gonna be better because we're doing cool stuff. But I just said, I'm done working for you, and I will just join you for the rest of my days. So if you wake me up again, I will write this X on my wrist every morning. You can kinda see where it was yesterday, even if you're kinda
looking at it. Looks a little 3D. But I will just join you today. You woke me up again. I'm not supposed to be here, but I got another one, and my one job today is to join you. Period. It's almost like John 15 was something intentional. Just stay attached. Just be a branch. He'll make the fruit out of me. I don't have to make the fruit. I think working for God is making the fruit for God. And I was exhausted. How about
that? That is so good. You were writing down almost word for you, just jotting stuff down. Oh, so good. Oh, so good. Because when I first heard it, I stopped working for God. I'm like, what? What did he just say? I decided to just join him. Oh, that is good. Isn't that amazing? That comes back to experiencing God behind him in black and white. He says, look to see where God is working, then join him in his work. That's how you know you're in the center of God's will.
Tell me about John 15, because he brought it up. He's talking about the vine and the branches. Jesus said, you're the vine. You're the branches. I'm the vine. He's saying, apart from me, you can do nothing. So he's saying, join me. Stay attached. That is so rich. That is good, because how often do we… You know, there's this odd contingent of Catholic brothers out there on social media. who will tell me that I'm in the wrong church. And I'm always like, it has nothing to do with
church. You're reading the wrong version of the Bible. It has nothing to do with church, brother. I love going to church, I love our people, I love worshiping together, but I just need God and His Word. We can do that on a desert island without church. And somehow that just fit in for me. Just be with him. Thanks for sharing that. That's good for me. That's rich for me today. I mean, I kind of live that way. I just
had never put it in those words. I like having words give you a category, give you a hook to hang that on. Thanks for the hook. Well, thank you. Thank you, Holy Spirit who connected us with Matt, who sent that. So that's how it works. Love Matt. Great guy. All right. Let's leave it here because anything else would just, I don't want a single note. to screw up this chord. Oh, nice. Oh, yes, yes, the callback. Well played. We'll be back next week, everybody. We get to
do this. God bless. See you then.