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or at a normal time or place. It's recorded on a stage in front of a live audience in Austin, Texas at South by Southwest on the Vox stage. first live show ever first live show we've ever done it was fun we tried to involve the audience in some parts of it we also had some tech news to talk about
Just kind of playing with the format, having some fun with it. We'll be right back to your regularly scheduled programming on Friday, but we figured we'd share this as well so you guys could hear it and enjoy. The trivia question goes crazy. It's a good time. Uh, so yeah, I think without any further ado, throw it to South by Southwest versions of ourselves. Take it away.
I didn't do that on purpose. Here we are. Okay. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome to another episode, technically, of the Waveform Podcast. So we're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This is the first time that we are recording an episode of this podcast. live in front of people. It's usually edited and trimmed and nice and clean, but we figured this would be fun and we love all the people here at South By, so we're gonna do this.
We actually want to involve you guys a little bit in this episode recording, so we're going to ask two things. make sure I get this perfectly right. So first, we are going to ask for questions in the second half. So if you guys want to start brainstorming of any questions you want to ask us about tech. about YouTube, about being a creator, about any of the stories that we've talked about. Start thinking about that. Two, I see a lot of you guys have your phones. This is perfect.
Go ahead and open up the web browser, and we're going to ask you to fill out a quick survey, and that will be part of the trivia for this episode. So we're going to trivia quiz ourselves on what you guys answer. So if you can go to... waveformsurvey.com. So you actually have to spell out waveform, which is...
It's spelled over there. Waveformsurvey.com. I'll give you 15 seconds real quick to fill it out. It should be pretty quick. It should be pretty quick. It's basic questions. Do you have a case on your phone right now? What are the priorities you have in buying a phone? Stuff like that. But yeah, that's basically it. Yeah. Thank you all for coming. This is kind of awesome. We're usually trapped in a little tiny room with the best sound at the office, and this is...
Far, far different. At the office, it's freezing. Here, I am just really sticky. It's just very humid. This is Texas. We usually record in the Northeast. So everyone's busy typing away. Make sure to answer the questions real quick. Just the first thing that comes to mind, you see the question, you answer, make it honest. Second half of the show, we'll quiz ourselves on what you guys answered.
So it'll be fun. But yeah, for those of you unfamiliar with Waveform, typically we are just talking text. So the stories of the hour, the gadgets, we talk YouTube, we talk creator stuff, all sorts of that ecosystem. And lucky for us, there's always news and always stuff happening. So one of the things that I feel like we do want to chat about is Apple intelligence is delayed again.
Yeah. I think it's funny because we always talk about how news gets released on Thursday or Friday. It takes us a week to cover it. So being here today, I think this got released before we hit our plane yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of some news with Apple intelligence. You know, the iPhone 16 was built from the ground up for Apple intelligence. Right. Totally. Yeah. So we've always had this quote that we say, and you might have heard this before, to never buy.
a piece of tech based on the promise of future software updates. And then we had iPhone 16 come out and we reviewed it. And one of the biggest features of it, because there wasn't that much different, was this promise of this future software update that was Apple Intelligence. And it did start to come out, to be fair. We have writing tools. We have...
I mean, image playgrounds. There's not a ton of stuff in it. Can I get a casual show of hands? Does anybody use Apple intelligence features on an iPhone or an iOS device? We've got about maybe 80, 100 people here, and I see... 25 hands? That's interesting. And then the rest of you just don't use it at all. At all. Or they're waiting for Siri to be good.
Yeah. So I think the interesting thing about this story is the one thing that is delayed is maybe the most useful part of Apple Intelligence, which is an upgraded Siri. So I use Gemini on my phone a lot. I actually find the voice assistant pretty useful.
Do you guys use Google Assistant, aka Gemini, or Siri, or any of these? I've started to use the Live Gemini a little bit more. I kind of love Live Gemini. It is surprisingly good, except for this morning, it was not good. What did you ask it this morning? Something about wire transferring, but not in a weird way. I'm like a creep, you know, like I'm stealing people's money kind of way. Like an innocent question. Yeah. I don't use it at all. I still just use my regular assistant to...
you know, turn on the lights, turn off the lights. I think Gemini is low-key incredibly impressive. So Gemini Live specifically, which is, it's just a conversation with the assistant and it can take over and see anything that's on your phone.
And if you want, it's multimodal and you can let it see your camera feed. And so I can literally open it up right now and point it at the camera. I can point it at this audience and ask it, what do you see? And it will describe what it sees. Hopefully. Which is maybe not super useful right now because I know what I see. but let's see. Let's see what happens. Good noise. So what do you see right now? Okay.
I see a large crowd of people in what looks like a conference hall. Are you here for a specific event? Yeah, this is South by Southwest. What should we do for these people? That's so cool that you're at South by Southwest. Thanks, man. There are tons of things to do there.
from film and music festivals to tons of different interactive media events. What are you hoping to experience while you're there? I want to entertain the crowd we're looking at right now. Well, if you want to entertain the crowd... You can start by telling a joke or a funny story. That's right. Magic tricks or juggling. You can juggle. Can you juggle live on the pod? I didn't bring anything to juggle.
But I genuinely use this feature a lot. I pointed it at a YouTube video and asked it, like, are there other things from this creator I should know about? Just random stuff, just to see if it would work. And it almost always, like, works surprisingly well. So I find it very, very...
useful, potentially even underrated. And then the Siri thing is supposed to be at least more able to like punch in and do things on your phone and dive into apps and change settings and things like that. And that's the useful thing I've been waiting for and that's the thing that's delayed. So now Apple Intelligence kind of has this weak reputation where nobody uses it or cares about it that much. Yeah, the news said that they are going to release it by the end of the year.
I believe. Or within a year, they said. They made an official announcement. They said they've been working on a more personalized Siri, giving it more awareness of your personal context, as well as the ability to take action for you within and across your apps. It is going to take us longer than we thought to deliver on these features.
We anticipate rolling them out in the coming year. I was honestly surprised that they even gave a date. Super surprised. But they did the classic Apple thing of three quarters of it. It's just saying what they already announced. And then a little bit of like, and maybe you'll get the thing that we told you we would get. Okay, so taking action for you within and across your apps. I think that part could be cool. That's like the Rabbit R1 killer. Taking action. That's the whole thing.
Because if you don't have as many APIs on all these apps anymore, because they're all closing down their APIs, if you can just have your assistant do stuff for you. Yeah. I'm so tempted to ask one of the questions that we didn't put in the survey. Should I ask it? Call me a newbie. I'm scared of what it is. No, I want to try it. I just want to ask it. Okay, so AI assistants being able to take action is kind of a cool idea, right? Maybe if you even had a piece of hardware that's...
dedicated to an AI assistant that can take action for you and it's just always available. Maybe it's attached to you or something. Maybe it's magnetically. What if I had a projector? That would be kind of interesting. Did anybody here buy a humane pin is what I'm trying to ask. One hand. We got one. One hand. Did we make... You said what? Oh, he also returned it.
You returned it? Yeah, same. Good for you. Same. Yeah. That's interesting. I think my bet was going to be like three or four. Yeah. At least you don't work at HP now, so. Yeah. No, but the idea is cool, though, still. So AI is just taking action for you. I think Siri...
has this enormously high ceiling and potential for people who don't really use AI that much to use AI and get real value out of it and understand that it's useful and beneficial, and that would be cool. And that's the thing that's delayed. That's why it's sad news. Can I take a little mini poll? Yeah. Does anyone here use Genmoji? Genmoji. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Seven or eight hands. Cool. I think I've proven a point.
I've used Genmoji once, and it was while I was making my video explaining what it is. If you've noticed, they've changed all of the billboards in Manhattan that used to say, Hello, Apple Intelligence, to Genmoji it. Wow. So the writing tools just get no love. The writing tools are... The iPhone 16 is now the Genmoji phone. That's right. There we go.
So we were kind of expecting this in iOS 18.4, which now the developer is out. Which now supports RCS on Google Fi. You're expecting a clap there, I think. Come on, let's go. Yes! Thank you, Ellis. I think, you know, with getting this announcement, is it safe to say... we're not getting it even in iOS 18 and potentially iOS 19. That's a big question. I mean, it would be a big move if they just dropped it in iOS 19.
in June. A big move? Yeah, I mean, it would be funny. It would be funny if Dub Dub just re-announced everything that they announced at last Dub Dub. Oh, yeah. I agree. Yeah, so DubDub is going to be summer, right? So summer is when we get... It's not even that far away. Yeah, June. Yeah, it's not that far away. And so we'll get a bunch of iOS updates, and we'll get maybe some early betas, and maybe we'll see some previews of how that stuff's going to work.
Are we even excited for it anymore? Did we see that already? Yeah, we've seen almost everything we're expecting to come out. Yeah, unless it just comes out at WW. Yeah, yeah. I don't think so. German though even went so far to say that people within the Apple AI division believe work towards Siri might need to be scrapped and rebuilt completely.
completely because of how poorly it's been working. That's bad. That's not a great look. It takes some time to make things. Which they're finding out right now. Yeah. And if it's going to take that much time to remake, I guess you learn from it, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, but... I guess my question to you all is, do we see the new series features in 2025?
Yeah, I think so. Here's why I'm optimistic. Because we have seen others try to do things like this. I remember doing an AI assistant battle where we had Google Assistant, back when it was called that, versus Siri. which wasn't that good back then either, versus... Bixby on Samsung phones versus Alexa. But the thing about Bixby, because this was something Samsung was building into their phones, was it already had a specific ability to dig into apps on your Samsung phone.
and flip switches and set options for you and things like that. So I could ask it to turn the flashlight on or set an alarm, but I could also ask it to go into an app and change the setting. That was Bixby's highlight in 2019 or whenever that video came out. So...
I don't see why that would be that difficult for Apple. They obviously build and control iOS and can make this easy for developers. I don't see why it should take that long. We are not developers, so we do not know how hard that actually is. We just like to pretend for a little bit. My non-developer brain saw Bixby.
do this five years ago. Yeah, I mean, they acquired Siri a very long time ago. So the question becomes, did they ever completely rebuild it from the ground up? Or did they just build on top of really old code? And maybe that's the problem. Yeah, unclear. Cool animation, though. That is true. They use it in all the advertising. If you had to take a guess of how they address this at DubDub, do you think we're just going to get the...
re-announcement of everything? Do you think they're just going to ignore that they're that delayed on it? How do you see that coming? Are they going to air power it? We just never hear about it ever again. Well, that's Apple's public-facing trend.
is they never publicly announce that something is delayed or not coming out anymore. Which is why it was surprising that this happened. Well, this, though, is a statement to a source. This is a statement to a paper. They wouldn't go on their website or in an event and go,
Alright, so this thing we told you about, it's delayed. They just don't tend to do that. So what they will do, I think, is re-announce what's already out. Genmoji's so useful. Oh my god, Image Playground, it's so great. And then, if there's more stuff coming, they'll tell us that more stuff is coming. Like the Siri stuff.
That's what I think they're going to do. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be a fun dub dub either way. We'll see. It'll be a funny one. We'll see. All right. It's time for a real quick break. When we get back, we're going to dig into dig. Thank you. Ha ha ha. Support for this show comes from Smartsheet. Did you know that there is one human experience more universal than death and taxes? What do you think that is? Take a guess. Okay, I'll tell you. It's creativity.
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in the process. Okay, cool. I was on Reddit, and I remember the, like, great dig migration, and it was kind of like the dig refugees on Reddit. It was back when Reddit was fun, which it has not been lately. Yeah. Within the last week, we got an announcement that Dig is being updated and... Purchased. They purchased it. We actually looked, Adam and I this morning looked back. So the Dignation podcast has come back. They, about six months ago, started...
redoing it. I think the previous episode before that was 13 years ago, so it's been a while. One of the first things they said in the opening was, if you go to Dig right now, it's a 503, and he said to camera, Kevin Rose said to camera, If you own Dig, please contact me. I would like to buy it, relaunch it, and we can crush Reddit, which I thought was a very upfront and cool move, I guess. Isn't Reddit a top 10 website on planet Earth? Oh, yeah.
Top five. Top three. Okay. Bold claim. Number one. Number one. I actually think it is top five. It is top three, for sure. I actually think Google and YouTube and then probably some meta thing and then probably Reddit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top five. I'm going to do a, for those of you who don't know about Dig, I'm going to do a very quick TLDR about what it was. Yeah, it was a previous competitor to Reddit, kind of like front pages of the internet that relies on community votes to see.
You know, what is the most happening story these days? Rather than upvotes and downvotes, they had digs and berries. I realized when I said this to Adam this morning, berry, B-U-R-Y, not the fruit. So that was your way of going up or down. When you're digging, aren't you... Like going, you're burying something, right? No, I've never thought of it. I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing. Sorry, I just...
They should have thought about that before they named the platform. Maybe that's why it went away. But so back then there was certainly like this kind of sibling rivalry between if you were on Reddit or if you were on Dig. I know you were. I started Reddit like 2011. I just kept telling people about it constantly. They just didn't. care but they care now they do well so i was a trendsetter
You're always a trendsetter, David. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. But it wasn't just between users that kind of had this rivalry. There's actually an email in 2005 of Alexis Ohanian emailing Steve Huffman saying... meet the enemy with a link to Dig. So they clearly were competitors in this community-aggregated news site. And it was a fun... Fun time back then. But Digg had a bunch of issues, a main one being power users. So back then, if you were a very frequent user of the site,
Essentially, your votes counted for more, and then you could be in a group of power users and essentially sell links aggregated to the top. And what Digg did to combat that is... They created, I think it was Dig4Potony back then, which made a bunch of changes, really disregarded the community, and everyone left.
Never good. It's never good when you're trying to make a whole bunch of money on something on a community-based website, it feels like. So everyone kind of moved to Reddit. I remember being on Reddit back then and being like, Reddit won. We did it. Which is really lame to say out loud in front of a bunch of people right now. We did it. But within the last week or two, Kevin Rose, the founder of Digg,
He is collaborating with Alexis Ohanian, former co-founder of Reddit, who left in 2020, and now they're launching the new dig. So this is like Magic and Bird coming together to launch a... Who? Bird? Sorry for that. A bird? Do you want to do an analogy? It will come back to you. It's like, no. Okay, cool. I think that wouldn't have worked. Somebody understood that, right? Okay, thank you. Magic? Sorry. Old rivals coming together to launch something new today. Is he not?
Dead? So Magic? Magic, Johnson, Larry Bird, big rivals back in the day. It would be like crazy if they collaborated on something. That's kind of like equivalent. Like if they were on a... They were on different teams. This is basketball. Basketball. It's a sport. Sorry. And then they were enemies. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Why were they enemies? Different teams. Okay. What about the, like, that new kid that everyone's into? Michael...
No, the trade thing that you guys are trying to explain. Oh, this is new. Yeah, sorry. I'm back in, like, old school basketball, but that is also basketball. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. All right. Sorry, Andrew. No, no, no, don't worry. That's the Waveform Podcast. That's how it goes. We usually kept that. I'll try and wrap this. So there's not a whole bunch of stuff that they've released so far. Minus, you know, Kevin Rose saying, I want to take out...
Reddit directly, but it does seem like they're launching a new one. They're also doing a Dignation live podcast at South by. Tonight, I think. Is it tonight? I think it's like tonight at 6. So if any of you are interested in that, that sounds like a pretty cool time. I have a question.
Do you think that Digg rebooting has a chance at actually taking down Reddit? Because I know nostalgia is big and that nostalgia is very powerful and that I think a lot of people who remember Digg and really liked Digg would give it a chance. But is there a chance that all the normal casual people who just browse Reddit would give Dig a chance? No. Really? I think it's going to be sort of similar to Twitter Blue Sky.
I think we're just going to get all these kind of like smaller communities that start growing. And I think there will be a growing dig community, but I don't think it's going to be a mass migration event like. happened when Dig died and Reddit was born. I do agree with that. I do think there's a little more to it right now in the sense that the general frustration on Reddit within the last year or two since...
taking away third-party apps, really messing up a lot of moderation tools. They've said that they're really focused on bringing moderation tools to moderators on the new dig. Of course, they're saying... they're using AI, so that's always, like, a fun red flag of, like, what kind of AI are you using? But I think the reason being, I've never been on Digg before, but as a...
I really don't want to call myself a Redditor. You can say it. So as someone who uses Reddit sometimes, I'm excited for Dig just because of how much I feel like they've messed it up in the last year or two.
Yeah, it feels like they saw a lot of opportunity with things that Reddit did wrong, and they put those things all on whiteboard, and they said, if we do that, then people will switch to our thing. Agreed. And then we eat Reddit's lunch. Maybe that's the way they thought about it. Does the narwhal bacon. Oh my goodness.
2011 was a really cringe time. There was a lot of cringe stuff out there. Early internet days. Including me. Look, I'm rooting for competition. That's how I'll put it. Reddit is huge. Competition hopefully makes Reddit do more.
good things for moderators, for communities, for third-party apps and users. But we'll just have to wait for time to talk. Yeah, I think the reason Reddit won't do that is because it's not good for market share. Okay, but remember when Blue Sky blew up and then all of a sudden Threads was like... Here's like 30 new features that we have had ready but just never released until we had competition. Competition. So maybe, maybe, maybe. Companies compete. We win. Not monopolies. It's huge.
Big. Yeah. Dig. I'm interested, is there anyone who's on Reddit that has been frustrated with it that would, you know, we don't know much about Dig, but would you be interested in moving to Dig? I guess you can go to both of them, so it doesn't really matter, but...
Damn. Anyone? Cool. Okay, so never mind. Dig is screwed. Nothing is going to happen. The other thing about these sites is they are so dependent on community, kind of like social networks, so they kind of require at least some mass... to have a bunch of users, to have a bunch of content, to have a bunch of stuff to do and to sort through and to follow, etc. So even if you're one of a small number of people who is interested in Digg, Digg doesn't exist without a whole bunch of people there.
That's a barrier that I see, but at least they're here, they're doing stuff. Yeah, I'll be interested to see what they say tonight. South by feels like a place to announce things, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do that. What are we announcing? Good question. Our first live event happened 20 minutes ago.
That didn't do very well. Cool. I have, let's move on. I have one more quick question before we get to audience Q&A, which hopefully there's some people interested in asking questions. This is our first time at South By.
We've been to plenty of other tech events. I know both of you. I've never done Mobile World Congress, but you guys have. And we've done CES, and we've done kind of everything. And I think, you know, if you're watching the video, you don't get the general vibe about what's going on at those events. So I want to pose a question of...
What is the coolest, most unique, or weirdest thing you've ever witnessed at a tech convention? It can be someone trying to sell you something. It can be a piece of tech that looked really cool, but when you got closer to it, it wasn't. quite as cool. Or it could be one of the coolest things you've ever seen and you wonder where it went. I have a thing that came to mind that's probably not where you were thinking, but it works for me. I've only been to Mobile World Congress once.
This year, by the way, was really interesting. A lot of stuff happened there. But it's in Barcelona. It's every year. And the one year that I went, I had no clue what I was doing. I was an Airbnb several miles away from the convention center. And I saw the taxi line. which was hours long, and I decided, hmm, what if I just walked back to my Airbnb? And so I just walked with all my camera gear through the streets of Barcelona back. Oh, no. No, it was, and it...
nothing happened. And it was great. It was cool. I saw all sorts of architecture and all sorts of parts and I had some good food and it was a good time. And that was the coolest part of that Mobile World Congress for me. That you walked? Yeah, that I saw. I saw a new city and it was like a cool experience and it had nothing to do with any of the tech at the show. We are really bad at experiencing new cities.
Because we flew in when we landed at 6 last night. Our plane is at 5 today. So we're really bad at experiencing. And Austin's a really awesome city. I wish we were here a little longer. Speak for yourself, man. Yeah, you're staying. But do you have... a fun experience? Oh, man. I like the ping pong robots at CES. They're there every single year. I feel like the first year they were there, it was like the biggest hype. There was a huge line and it was really hard to get there. And now...
Since then, they're just still running off of that hype from five years ago. I got to play the ping pong robot the first year it was there, and they had this roped off area around it, and they had someone doing a demo. And so I got up there, and I started playing against it, and I was... you know kind of holding a rally for a while and then i
I hit one kind of fast, you know? And I beat it. And I was like, wow, I beat the ping pong robot. And they were like, cool, great. Yeah, so we can change the difficulty level here. That was on baby mode. Yeah, and then immediately it was incredible. So, yeah, it's one of the coolest things there. actually yeah yeah i have one small one maybe a second funny story if we have time but we were looking at it was a bmw experience in one of their new like
autonomous, I think it was like an i3. It was a smaller hatchback. And it was kind of on the floor at the BMW booth with a wire around it. But they were nice enough to let us go in and film it with a bunch of people around. So Marquez sits in the back seat. to get a shot and he goes to scoot over to the other seat and all the BMW employees are like, no, no, hold on.
That middle C is actually cardboard underneath. And if you scoot across it, it will collapse. You'll fall into there. And so we had to walk around. But that's just like... On video, all of this stuff looks really cool. A lot of the stuff at these events are held together with twist ties and chewing gum. Many of the things at many of these events are not real. That's kind of the sad part about it. Especially with cars.
Do you remember when the Hummer EV came to our office? And they were like, it can melt if you leave it outside. In the sun too long, the interior functions might melt on the dashboard. Yeah. That's kind of the state of... This isn't a news thing that we have, but that's kind of the state of a lot of early EVs right now. Like I just saw a video from a fellow YouTuber, good friend, Zach, JerryRig, everything on the Telo truck. I watched it on the plane on the way. Oh, yeah.
Super cool concept. It's like this small footprint electric truck with four seats and a five-foot bed in the footprint of a Mini Cooper. I was like, oh, that seems really cool. Had a reasonable range, 1,100-pound towing. I think it's 7,000 pound towing, 1,700 pound cargo capacity. It was like, oh, this is a really cool thing. I'm very inspired. I go to their site. They're like, this isn't out yet.
And this is kind of the one that they've built that works. But you can reserve it. But you can put your $150 down and reserve it. And it's like, I've seen this a lot of times. I've been Zach in this situation. I did a video about the Faraday future at CES. 2015? I don't even know how long ago that was. 2017 because that's the one you hired me. Yeah, 2017. And that never came out. But we got a really cool working car in person. And it turns out...
It's really, really easy to build one. Yeah. And then you can roll it around CES or South by Southwest, wherever you want. And then it's really, really hard to build 100,000 of them. And so that's been my new philosophy, like when Tesla rolls out this robovan and they're like, trust me. The robovan, you mean? Yeah. And I look skeptical because I've seen this pony show before, but we'll see. We'll see.
I want these things to come out. It's just really hard to trust when I only see one. Well, unless that Trello Mini Cooper thing has a twerking AI dog on the dashboard, I don't want it. That's a deep cut. That's a Mini Cooper reference. Yeah. Well, hey, look, that's about all the news that we have. So I think what we should do is we should introduce
Ellis is over here, and Adam. Adam's back there. They're waving their hands and they have microphones in their hands. Can you hear me now? Ellis. So, if anyone has a question. Does anyone have questions? Who's... Who's near? Adam, I think this is a you. You've got the talkative side. This is a you problem, Adam. I see someone coming over. Scary. Scary, scary.
We're going to try and get as many questions as possible, too. Yeah. Hello. My name is Tree Wendell. I'm from Ohio University. This is also my first time at South by Southwest. I'm very excited to see you guys here. My question for you is if you had unlimited resources to invent or create a ground piecing piece of tech.
matter how futuristic or unrealistic, what would it be and why? Crumple phone. Thanks, Ellis. Whoa, unlimited resources is huge. Unlimited resources. I have a really quick one, if you guys want to think about it. I just had a child. She's like 14 months old. Every piece of baby tech is absolute garbage. I would completely reinvent baby tech, make it actually high def, make the apps actually useful.
Or maybe we don't need apps for it. Maybe the white noise machine just needs an on and off switch. But I think there's an untapped market there because everything I seem to do as a tech person hurts my soul. I like that answer a lot. That also doesn't require unlimited resources. It seems like it does. There's a lot of babies out there. Dang. I never thought about that. Do you think there are as many babies as there are like...
Non-babies? No. I don't think so. There's a lot of babies, though. There's a lot. All right, they got one over here. One of you guys have a... Wait, they didn't have an answer. I want to hear an answer.
Unlimited resources. My brain weirdly went straight to, like, could we do Humane over again? Oh, my God. Really? Yeah, because, I mean, they essentially take unlimited resources. So I would want to... to create a good AI that has a personal understanding of everything in my phone, even though that's kind of impossible, and then can be super useful for me.
So a humane pin that actually connects to your phone and you don't need a separate phone number for it? Yeah. Like an accessory. I can't believe they didn't think of that. I'm going to maybe do one of my senior projects in college that I got an A-plus on, by the way, so it's a good idea. Are you pitching this right now? We are at a place where I can do this. Okay, so imagine this, right?
So it's an ISP, but for people's homes. Okay, and it's called Wi-Fi. This is already all built out. It's called Wi-Fi. So it's Wi-Fi, obviously. But it was right after the Google Home. No. that Google Wi-Fi first came out, where they were like, oh, mesh networks. We're going to do mesh networks. So imagine you have a node in your home, but it's like two gigahertz. It's like it goes super far, right?
And it goes to the street, but it can also ping off of other people's homes. Okay? So the whole idea is, like, we give everyone in the world free internet. But then you have local ads that are running from local businesses if you don't pay for the internet. But then if you're at home, you get to say, I don't use my bandwidth from 9am to 5pm, so I'm going to give 85% of my bandwidth to the community.
And then you get money off of your payment every month, the more the more bandwidth you give out. Great pitch. So it's a pitch. Comcast stole this idea from me. Comcast did steal this idea. You have to be a Comcast customer in order to use the internet. And I think that everybody should have it. Man of the people? Man of the people. Well, there's the answer. That does require unlimited resources. Thank you for the question.
Hi, my name is Darius. I love the recent video called Our Votables Cooked. Great title. In the U.S., foldables really haven't gone mainstream. Do you think that Apple releasing a foldable will change that considering the premium they'll probably charge? Or do you think this might be another Vision Pro moment? I'm a little biased because I... on like buy foldables and i just purchased the opal find in just waiting on that to arrive i'm so jealous really good question thank you um
That's a part of the video I left out of the video, actually, which is the Apple factor. So just to catch people up who haven't watched it, foldables, really, really cool tech. But they're kind of stagnating a little bit in this way where it feels like the tech has gotten super good, but then people just aren't switching to them yet. And short answer, yes. I think Apple jumping in with a foldable.
will reinvigorate all of the competition, all of the attention, all of the eyeballs, and will make that interesting again. But the premium that you mentioned is also real. So these foldables... versus this foldable? Hot dog versus hamburger. These all have this massive premium, and I think that's a huge barrier. But this one, which I think might be more likely for Apple to try, we've seen those for $6.99 from Motorola, $9.99 from Samsung. And I think...
this could be in a not-so-Vision Pro price category that I think could get a lot of people interested. And I think that's the moment Apple jumps in is when they can make that and it's reasonable for people to consider.
Good question. It's like a section of the video that probably fell out of my head and into yours. I like that. I've also started to see a lot of hamburger foldables in New York City. Is that flip or fold? It's the flip. The flip. The flip is hamburger. Because hamburger, you put the...
You put the top, the square. The patty would fit better in that. Yeah, exactly. So this all works great for an audio medium. Yeah, yeah. It's our specialty. I'll just do that. Okay, so yeah, I've seen a lot of them on the subway. The category's growing, and that's even on like...
you know, non-Apple phones, which in the United States is a very low number. So I think if they release that and it's in that $1,000 category, I think that will be a bigger super cycle than Apple intelligence. Totally. Would Apple do that? because right now a 16 pro max is 1200 would they release one with a folding screen that's
less expensive than their... It has less features. I think it has to be more expensive. It still doesn't matter as much, though. The Pro Max is the most popular iPhone in the United States because everyone just gets a carrier plan and it's like $3 more a month. They'll do it. Everyone will buy it. Cool. Next question right here. Hey, how's it going, guys? I've been following you guys for a long time. Appreciate you guys. Thank you very much.
do you think apple will ever come out with a touch screen device like a mac or even the studio display because sometimes you're trying to edit and stuff like that and it sucks to not be able to just go there What's the matte screen called? Nanotexture. Nanotexture would hate that. No, they have a nanotexture iPad. Is it the same as screens? Your screen, you accidentally touch it once. My Pro Display XDR is...
the messiest thing on my baskets. I have a lot of thoughts on this. My general philosophy is if they could have, they would have done it already. They could have. They would have done it already if they wanted to. They don't want to.
Apple has enough overlapping products that if they gave something like a MacBook Air, for example, a touchscreen, then iPad... pro with a keyboard would be cannibalized a little bit like they kind of have to keep these things separate enough that a mac with a touch screen as much as we all think it makes intuitive sense and there are tons of other touchscreen laptops out there
Apple won't do it because in Apple's universe, that's not good for their other stuff. I think it's way more likely that they add a feature on the iPad that allows you to use it as a drawing tablet mirroring onto your display than it is they release an actual touchscreen Mac.
They have these ads all the time where they show somebody who has an iPad and they plug it into a studio display. Yeah. Like, that's a real person that they think exists. That they think exists. They think is the key word there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, no. Sorry, I unfortunately don't think so either. All right, next question over on this side.
Hi, guys. My name is Yarian, longtime viewer. Great to see you in person. My question is about your use of AI. So you've shared a lot of sort of personally useful uses of AI. But in the running of your businesses, of the YouTube channel, the podcast, what are uses of AI that are saving you a lot of time or just making your business way more efficient?
Ellis wants to answer this really bad. As of last week, I became a vibe coder. I'm officially writing tons of code and don't know what any of it means. And Claude did something crazy for me last week where... I'm building a website and a web builder that's really cheap and doesn't support tables. Oops. And I needed a table to build a table in it. So I'm building it in HTML, CSS style, like no idea what I'm doing. And my idea was like, oh, I'll use Google Sheets. That'll like maintain the table.
and then I'll download the HTML, throw it in the embed. Google Sheets, when you download HTML of a table, puts all this formatting in it. Ew, gross. Disgusting. And I don't know how to code, so I don't know how to get rid of that formatting. And I was like, Claude. What do I do? And Claude wrote me a web app that automatically removes all the style. I was like, I got you, bro. So that's what I'm using AI for. I'm vibing my way through code. And yeah.
That's actually very legit. Is this an industry term, Vibe Coder? It's a Twitter term. Same difference? It is now. I have another use of AI that we kind of dig into a little bit. And I mean, so we make YouTube videos and there are...
endless analytics that we can dive into on YouTube because there's a whole spectrum of YouTubers, those who check studio every day, those who just kind of make the video and then it's just vibes. I'm in the numbers. I'm very curious about things like retention and things that we can optimize.
And there are AI tools now that will look at past videos we've made, other outliers from other channels and things that have worked well on the platform in the past and suggest versions of that that could work for us. Video making decisions for me have always been a combination of what I think people would watch and what I'm interested in. So I'm sorting through that AI generated stuff to figure out what sort of overlaps between them. And it's been surprisingly helpful.
The most useful use for me is when I'm doing research on something that has like one total source on the internet and it's from a forum from 50 years ago. And just asking it a question that I like, I can take the time to... read a math book and dissect how it works, or I can have it tell me and baby talk how it works, and then, oh, that makes a little more sense, and then I read the math book, and then it's a lot easier to understand. 50 years ago is not an exaggeration.
were doing the ICANN episode, we were pulling sources from Usenet posts that had been archived, which were from the early 80s. Yeah, not quite 50 years. That was 50 years ago. It was 40-something. Feel old, yeah? Feel old, yeah? I don't really use AI at all currently, but...
Adam did use it the other day. We were thinking of a name for a segment in the podcast where we say the best thing and the worst thing of the month in tech, and it came up with the idea Crown and Clown, which I thought was actually super creative. I could have done that. I don't know. That's why I don't use AI. I have David. That's right. You can't spell David without...
AI and a few other letters. Next question over here. I never thought about that. That's pretty good. Hi, everyone. My name is Yuri Benedict, and I would like to ask about the podcast. Your YouTube production quality and storytelling is top tier. And I would like to know how do you translate what you learn doing YouTube video into your podcast? How does one make a great podcast like that? We? Yeah. I remember, so when I pitched the podcast to Marques,
everyone on YouTube was kind of doing it. And I really wanted to make sure that we did it in my eyes, like correctly. So we went audio first because in our eyes, and we're still very bad at this, but we wanted to be able to describe things to audio listeners. And we thought we needed to... go through the audio version first. So we did that. And I do think we learned a lot as you know, now that we're on video, we've probably gone back a few steps.
But that was our main goal of doing that. And then since then, in typical MKBHD fashion, we're shooting in the most unnecessarily high definition and have way too many people working on it. But I think we've like been not way too many people. Sorry, Adam and Ellis. I think we're crazy efficient in terms of how I hear a lot of other podcasts and I think keeping it close has let us do that and let us really like
grow the show organically and get to test new things and see it directly in the numbers? Yeah, I think... when you are building other YouTube videos, you probably just develop strategies and kind of concept. It's kind of like making a normal YouTube video in a lot of ways. Because I've talked to people who do podcasts and they've only ever done a podcast and not done YouTube videos. And they're like, oh,
Yeah, we record for three hours and we get 25 minutes of useful content. We record for like two and we do like an hour and a half show, which I think is a pretty good hit rate. Closer to three. That's the guy who has to edit it every week. And in general, I think a lot of the production quality stuff that you see on the main channel, it became the expectation for the main channel. So I think what was interesting was this sort of just chat show format.
became a void that we opened, and the podcast was a perfect way to fill that. It's still high production for a podcast, but we have these stories and these incredibly big pieces that we do on the MKBHD channel, and then we can kind of just chat. it's a different way of doing the same thing waveform was originally pitched as
I would come into the office in Marques and I would be, hey, did you see this? Hey, did you see that? And we would talk and realize we're like an hour and a half into our day and we haven't actually done any work. And we're like, we should record this. Our conversations are so cool. We should just record them. Everyone wants to hear us.
Yeah, total ego move on that one. But I think because of that, it's just conversation. We're all friends. And I think it's worked out really well from that, even though everyone tells us we interrupt each other all the time. Sorry. All right, we'll take one more quick break, but when we come back, many more interesting questions and all the answers.
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Returning to dust. My name is Sarvesh. I'm from the University of Tulsa and also the founder of Aura Patch and Glauc AI. As a 19-year-old in medtech, I wanted to ask you, how can we integrate healthcare into our mobile technology that we have currently?
Big question. That's like the big next frontier of what all these companies are trying to do. So if you watch enough Apple keynotes, there is a heavy emphasis on, like, you have these devices on you all the time and we're in your pockets already, so we might as well be collecting and creating as much useful information for you as possible from that. And that works in the ecosystem of Apple and the stuff that they do. So that makes it difficult for those outside.
to create something that you also carry on in person every day and also gives you useful information. So it's kind of these two worlds of healthcare on your person, the stuff that you already have and the stuff that you might also want to add.
I do think Apple does a pretty good job. I mean, they have great stories every keynote about, like, the Apple Watch saved me because it alerted me of this thing I didn't know I had. And I was in the woods and a bear attacked me. No, that was in someone's house that the bear came in. Yeah, crazy stories. But, like...
was the weirdest one I've ever seen. But they're real stories. And so this advantage of them being able to do as much as possible with the sensors and the things on your person is inspiring. But the other side of that coin is they make it really hard.
for others to like plug in. I've seen a good amount of things that plug into Apple Health like the what is it that eight sleep has like the all the plugs to apple health so like i get a watch notification that tells me about how my mattress thinks that i slept which is crazy to say out loud what a world we live in but um long story short yeah there's a lot of data being being
collected, and I'm pretty happy about a lot of the value I've gotten out of that. Yeah, I think that's pretty above my head. I know nothing about medtech or anything. I don't think I have a specific answer for that. I mean, I'm a very health-anxious person, so if there were things that could help with that anxiety, I would love it. Yeah, I mean, especially in the United States where healthcare is a bazillion dollars, it's very clear that the next kind of frontier there...
is preventative health. And I think that's what all these companies are trying to get into. It's like, can we actually just try to keep you healthier throughout your life? Can we alert your doctor of like early symptoms so that you don't actually have to go to the hospital and go into bankruptcy? That'd be...
That'd be great. That'd be great. And if you haven't watched our Dr. Mike interview, it's really good, and he has a lot of opinions as a medical professional as well. For anyone out there, it's a great episode. Yeah. We have... approximately six minutes before we want to do our trivia so if we want to do some kind of rapid fire questions okay yeah right over here or quick ones or if you want to point them at somebody
All right. Hi, my name is Tashal. I'm from UT Dallas. This is my first time at South by Southwest, so it's pretty cool to see you guys in person. So yesterday I attended a talk by the CDO of D-Wave. So they're invested in quantum computing. So right now everyone's talking about AI and I just...
It kind of reminded me a few years ago, nobody really understood AI, but now everybody somehow understands AI. And I feel that we're on the frontier of quantum computing, especially with what Microsoft did. I think a couple of weeks ago. So just based off that, what's your opinion of quantum computing and do you see it being relevant in the next five years? I'll leave this to you too. I have one really overarching thought.
which is that the branding is terrible. So I did a video where I got to actually see a quantum computer and learn it. essentially everything I could possibly dream with with Clio Abram and I went to IBM and we got to see all this cool stuff the stats are incredible the super low temperatures in the thing are incredible just the hardware is amazing and at the end of that I came away thinking wow these things are
super, super cool, but I still can't explain it to anyone. And I think AI in its branding is artificial intelligence. I think to my parents, I could say, hey, this is another intelligent thing. It can help you with stuff. That's super easy. Quantum computing has never had an easy, at least to me,
explanation of why it's super helpful, even though the advancements are incredible. And this huge stuff Microsoft was doing, I don't know if you saw that, they started giving people tours of their quantum computer, they're setting new records with the amount of qubits in theirs, but...
How do I tell people who aren't going to use that technology how useful it's going to be? Really, really hard. So AI seems like it's the most connected to us. It's in our pockets. It's everywhere. But quantum computing has like a The big question, too, is when is it actually going to be released for scientists or people to actually use? Because I feel like quantum computing has been five years away for 50 years.
Like I remember reading Wired Magazine when I was like six years old and they're like, next year's the year. We're going to change everything. Everything's going to be better. And I know that there are huge advancements being made in this field. And they're like, we're getting up to these insanely high qubit numbers that we didn't have before.
Marques, tell me what that's actually useful for, and then also, is it real? I guess a lot of it is because it's very research, it's not very consumer-facing. That was part of what we talked about in the video, is it doesn't really touch the end consumer.
With AI, I keep bringing it back, but people use AI. With the research and with all the stuff that quantum computers are good at, every time they pass this milestone qubit number, there's some new thing that they've unlocked that they've been able to do more simulations or be able to compute more things.
And that's just for the researchers that are doing that type of stuff. And it's, like, not consumer-facing. Right, right, right. Last two. Ellis, do you have one? Do we have time? We're doing it? Yeah, do two more. You're on. All right, let's go.
I work at a privacy tech startup based on New York called Cloaked. I had a question on AI hardware. What do you think is the final format of AI hardware on body that would win out? Would it have to eventually be baked into a smartwatch or a smartphone? Or do you think there is space for...
a Rabbit R1 or a Humane AI or a Meta Ray-Ban, who eventually went out as well. Can I just, are you recording on your glasses right now? I think glasses is the answer, and I think you're the exact reason why that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I think there are so many cool ideas of things that seem like naturally they could work. Glasses are obviously one of them. The pin, I'm not against the idea. Like a little simple garment that you hopefully can charge up. Like that stuff could be cool.
But they are so up against the limit of how much data they can get from your phone. The smartphone is so good that they have all the data and they are not letting anyone else touch. that much data. So if you're going to make something that lives on someone's body and collects information and is useful to you, it has to do that independent of the smartphone. And that is so hard. It can be connected and just be...
the information that the smartphone has, it's not given up to you. So the glasses stand the best chance, I think. Half the people in front of me have glasses on. It's very natural to have glasses. But it is a serious challenge. I think the absolute best way to drive adoption of a new technology is to integrate it into an existing piece of hardware that people already use.
AI, for example, on smartwatches, on earbuds, on your phone, they can all sort of interact with each other. Everyone wears, well, a lot of people wear watches. Most people use earbuds. And so just integrating that technology into these existing devices that
everyone's using every day already and then it's like, oh, there's an additional thing you can do with it. A lot easier than saying like, oh, throw your phone in the trash and stick a pin on your chest, man. Everyone loves that. Tough sell. Tag us in that video. Last question.
Wait, Adam, we got to get this guy up here that has his hand up. He can be second. He can be the last question. Yeah. Adam can do his, and then we'll do one more. We'll just do it real quick. All right. I'm Cody from Austin, Texas. I'd love, you know, you spend most of your time reviewing other people's products, but I'm wondering if you had unlimited resources, what kind of technology or product would you want to create and why? Crumple phone.
A couple phone would be sick. I get asked all the time if I would like to make a smartphone, and the answer is always like, well, that's an insanely competitive market, and I don't have that kind of time. But if I had unlimited resources, I think I would... want to make my own ideal phone for myself, which is an exciting idea, but it's really hard.
Yeah, we did that question earlier. Kind of, yeah. And nobody would want to buy anything from me anyways, so. Yeah. I just said an ISP that doesn't suck, basically. Who was this guy right here? There's one more right up front. Over here. I see you. I'm coming. And then we're going to do trivia. Let's get it. Thanks, thanks. From London, anyone? Well, shout out. Anyway, so thank you for the last question. Yeah, you spoke a lot about AI and stuff. I just wanted to know for YouTube.
itself do you feel like it's going to help the creativity because i want to enter that field um just graduate so just yeah do you think it's going to boost creativity or kind of just make the content really similar so yeah just a quick five both yeah so I think the trend since I've started making videos online has been that the barrier for entry has gotten lower and lower and lower. So it's easier and easier for anyone.
with an internet connection to make something, which is awesome. That's exciting. It's made the masses of like tons of YouTube videos being able to come out super, super cool. What's also happened is the ceiling has gotten higher and higher.
And that means that the production value, the amazing stuff you get to see people doing full time has gotten more and more amazing. I'm going to a panel right after this where we're talking about should YouTube creators win traditional awards like Oscars? Like that's how high the ceiling has gotten.
And I think AI has been pushing it in both directions. So I think the floor getting lower is like anyone with an internet connection can generate a cool script, can fact check it, can make, can come up with super cool ideas and can start making a YouTube video just like that.
And I think using AI as a tool to brainstorm and think of new unique ways to do things and come up with ideas that have never been done before and then how to execute on them and using all these tools to try to make something that's never been made. is raising the ceiling more and more. So I think it's both. I'm hopefully using AI to do that one. But I understand that everyone wants to make YouTube videos, and I think that that's going to be something we see a lot more with AI, too.
Yeah, I think it's a combination of there's a lot of AI slop being thrown on YouTube right now, which is really like destroying a lot of the stuff on there. But at the same time, it also makes it so you stand out more if you're actually a good human that is making human content instead of this. slop content. So if you're used to seeing slop and then you see something that's actually pretty good, it looks even better. So there's that too. Yeah, I think it's time. Okay, so.
The last part of what we're going to do here with our final few minutes is we had you all fill out that survey at the beginning. And if you have watched Waveform, you know we like to have a little bit of trivia on the show. So what we're going to do is have Ellis...
pull up the answers to your trivia questions. I have the answers. And I don't think we have the whiteboards. The one thing we brought for this trip was our whiteboards and we did not bring them on stage. We forgot the whiteboards. What? Cool. We will just say our answers out loud. We'll say our answers out loud. At the same time?
We'll each say our answers, and then Ellis will be the judge of who wins the trivia point, who knows this audience the best. Okay, we got to speed through these. We're running out of time, so get ready, boys. Adam, hit it. Adam, hit it. That's right, everybody. Welcome to trivia. All right. We asked everyone in this room, do you have a case on your phone, David?
What percent Price is Right rules of people in this room have a case on their phone? Price is Right rules? Price is Right rules. 81. Fantastic. Andrew? 95. 95. Marquez? 75. Marquez gets it. It was 80. I'm sorry, David. Oh my god, I was... You said 81? You said 81? Question number two, what is the number one feature people in this room look for when buying a smartphone between performance, camera, battery, build quality, and the display? I'm gonna go...
Camera. Camera. Battery. You're all wrong. It was performance. What? They're all good. You can buy any phone. All right, question number three. What was the worst piece of tack released in 2024? I'm going to do as many of these as we've got time for. The humane pin. The humane pin. The humane pin? Marquez? Somebody...
Yeah, it's the humane pin. It's the humane pin, by far. But notable answers include Apple Intelligence and someone put Blue Sky. Wow. Let's go. Wait, wait, someone... Wow. Rude. Final question, guys. Yeah. Who had the worst takes on waveform in 2024? Oh, no. David didn't know this was a question. Andrew. Andrew? I'll say Andrew. Andrew? I think they said it was me. Nope. The answer is me. You're all haters and I love it. Were there any other questions?
That was way faster than I expected. Do you think more people in here do video or audio? Oh, listen to the podcast video or audio? Yeah. Can you just tell us the answer? No, I want to guess. I want to guess. I want to guess. I think... That more people in here do video video I'll go
Oh, wasn't there a third option of I don't listen to Waveform and I'm not sure why I'm here right now? And a shocking number of you have never heard of Waveform. I don't know if that was like a joke or... I think there's a QR code to subscribe on the side. Yeah. Just saying. Oh, it's not there anymore. They're all here for today. Explained, which is coming up next. That's why they're here.
I'll go audio. The answer was video. Let's go. I'll be real. I was not keeping track of who got points. So we're going to need to review the tape. But as of this season, David is still crushing. That's right. And I will crash and burn in the extravaganza for sure. Yes. We have four minutes. Is there like one more? We have four minutes. We have four minutes. Is there one more question? Because we cannot go over it. Oh, there's a lot more. I'm really sorry for everyone.
Some speed questions. Speed. Yeah. All right. You had your hand up earlier and I missed you. How y'all doing? Alfredo from San Diego. I have a really fast question. So I'm a long... term se user wrote the se wave a o touch id love hate the notch where do i go next because i'm sorry to say that uh Yeah, Touch ID is gone. It's going to be gone. So you might as well go 16E, which is a crazy recommendation. But look, it depends on your budget. I could ask you a thousand questions. But I think...
In general, now that Touch ID has gone the wayside and Face ID is a thing, you can healthily go with almost any of the newest three iPhones. The breaker was no... 0.5 selfies, so... Yeah, that's tough. So 16, man? 15. Are you opposed to Android? Yes. Yeah, I kind of figured that. Buy another used SE. Just go forever.
Cool. Another one real quick? Yeah. JT and Austin. So Marcus, going back to your first set, Tesla Model S. we did videos you had a anecdote of being at an intersection car coming up to you from back and you felt your tesla was moving a little bit nudging and so there's other consumers at the time It seemed like that was kind of a thing that Tesla's were able to do. Going back then and what you know now, do you feel like that was a feature that it was doing, or is it just a...
Well, that was a long time ago. I don't remember exactly if I know. So I'm... a fan of like the car having sensors and being able to intervene when it detects something happening. And it has done that in multiple directions and multiple times over the course of my ownership of those cars. So I'm generally a fan of that.
I don't recall the exact incident that you're referencing, but it's good that that car has helped me a few times. One more. Yeah, really fast. All right, I'm so sorry, everybody. We've got 55 seconds. All right, thank you. My name is Jack. I study mechanical engineering in Germany, and I use ChatGPT for almost everything when working on my car or learning from math or physics or anything.
And I just think I submit so much data and we're all talking about getting AI on the phone. And I just think when it's in the app and maybe on my internet browser and my photos and in my WhatsApp and everything, what is your take on this whole data privacy thing? You know what I mean? Isn't that at least a bit concerning? We're always talking about getting more AI, more on the phone, on the glasses, on the pin. I just think about, yeah, maybe data privacy might be a thing, yeah?
We have 10 seconds to answer. My high-level take is that there is constantly a question that these companies and all of us are asking about the direct trade-off between how much data you have to give up, and the convenience that you get back from it. And the more they push that envelope of, well, you have to give up more data, but you get more convenience. Okay, you have to give up more data, but you get more features and convenience. People tend to...
take the convenience with it. So yes, data privacy is a concern. And for a lot of people in this room, they don't want that trade off anymore. But I've seen it get pushed really, really far and we get really cool features out of it. So I think those companies are going to keep pushing it and keep trying to offer more things in exchange for our data.
Cool. We are over time now. And before we get physically kicked off of this stage, thank you all for coming. Thank you all. Seriously, this was super fun. This was fantastic. We super appreciate it.
All right, that was it. That was a lot of fun. Thanks again for the people who were there, for submitting all the answers to the survey, and for everyone who gave us ideas on what to do. We thought it turned out pretty good, but there is one thing that we didn't get to do on stage, which is, Andrew, you didn't get to do it.
to read us out i didn't read out live a little sad but um huge thanks to the vox media team who set all that up and let us do our first live show totally no issues at all it was awesome smooth sailing and slido actually helped us with the survey thing
That went really smoothly too. Definitely recommend that for a live show like that. And other than that, Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vane Singh. Thanks to Smartsheet for their support.
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