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I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. I almost said that. I had to think about it first. It hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped. I'm David. Do it more. you know it did work last time we asked people who hadn't subscribed to subscribe and then they did yeah It was kind of crazy how directly... I hate how that worked.

Yeah, I have this peeve where if I'm watching a YouTube video and the YouTuber looks into the camera and asks me to subscribe before starting anything in the video, I get a little mad. I usually click off. And I usually don't.

so we'll have to find a better way yeah but then we because it works very well and it kind of works so yeah it's a it's a middle ground i guess what i'm trying to say is if you're watching this and you're one of those people please don't get mad but if you aren't subscribed and this show is up on your feed every week maybe consider

subscribing. It does great for us. It's amazing. Anyway, this week we have a whole bunch of stuff. Meta's in the midst of an active lawsuit. We saw maybe there's a new AirTag competitor coming, possibly. and we also want to wrap it up with a game because we have a lot of fun with those so the last segment will be a game but first there was a huge story this week i mean it's the elephant in the room we can't really not talk about it so i figured we might as well intro the entire podcast with it

Sometimes it's an uncomfortable topic for people, but we just got to get right into it and not really mess around. New Beats cables. This, I mean, we saw this coming a mile away once we saw Beats was making phone cases. We knew that this was not off the table, but we just didn't know when. We knew Beats, they've got to make more iPhone accessories, but when are they going to make a cable? And they finally did it. And so we have them here. There's actually four colors.

Product of the year, probably. I know it's a little early to say that, but... They go pretty hard. There's four colors. I'm holding two of them, the black and the white. I don't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry, dumb names. You mean Spolt Black and Surge Stones? Surge.

stone. You're right. Those are the names. And I have Nitro Navy and Rapid Red. What? Those are worse. They like alliterations. These sound like Red Bull names. Dude, they sound like monster names. Monster. Yeah. Wait, what was the black line? G Fuel? Are they all alliterations? Bolt Black. So they're all alliterations. It was Nitro Blue? Nitro Navy. Nitro Navy. Rapid Red. Surge Stones?

Surge Stone. Surge Stone's fine. That sounds like a Pokemon evolutionary stone. No, it's not fine. It's better than Rapid Red. Yeah, but Stone, at least Rapid Red, like, oh, it charges fast or whatever. Like, Stone does not surge.

I mean, there's one searching in your computer right now. Oh, silicon. Technically a stone. They do charge at 60 watts. So these are one and a half meter woven USB-C cables, C to C. 60 watt charging they're usb 2.0 they're not really meant for data but they do they technically do so if you want to like transfer if you want to plug them into your headphones or whatever i guess that's cool but um yeah they're just charging cables i also think the usb is A to C is 15 watt.

Oh, is it? I think so. Okay, well, they... They are selling these four colors. They sell them in two length variations. There is a five foot or eight inch option. They come in C to C, C to A, and C to Lightning. They are all $19 for one or $35 for two, no matter what length you get, which is already ridiculous. Can I ask you a question? Sure.

What is the point of an 8-inch cable? What do you do with an 8-inch cable? A USB-C to C cable? Yeah, I'm not sure. And they're all $19. For everyone who's literally not in the U.S., 20 centimeters. 1.5 meters, I think. Oh, you mean the smaller one? The 8-inch cable, yeah, 20 centimeters. Here's the thing, guys. They're $19 for one or $35 for two. They're 60 watt USB 2. The Anker equivalent. on Amazon right now is... $10 for two of that same spec.

that is also braided this is the thing you're going to find in the best buy airport kiosk we're like oops i forgot my cable like i know i'm going to get upcharged for convenience here but i'm just going to buy one anyway because i need it because my headphones are about to die and i'm about to get on a plane yeah and whatever

They're just a cable, and it's the Beats cable, so they'll probably work with my headphones. Marques made a good point that, like, Apple does not sell anything except for the MacBook. that charge at more than 60 watts. So that's fair, but they're expensive. And I would rather have something that's faster. and can do more data for cheaper i'd argue most people have the brick as their limiting factor so if you're buying a new cable It's probably to charge something under 60 watts.

It's probably, oh, my phone, I need a new charging cable. Oh, my headphones, I need to charge my iPad. I know. Yeah. I don't like that you're right about that. If you want to spend a lot of money on cables, there are some really nice cables out there. There are. The Anker Prime is like one of the nicest braided cables, I think. And this is 240 watts. It is 30 bucks, so it's 10. MPD.

you know it's 30 bucks for one cable 30 bucks for one cable is a lot but yeah this is a very nice pretty cable and that's the Cadillac of cables right there you know what okay so you guys have a box of wires right Everybody, yeah. Exactly. Everyone's got a drawer or a box. I have two. I have one just for power and one for non-power. Mine's a suitcase. It's full of wires. It's full of like old random earbuds that I got given.

But there are so many, so I had, a couple weeks ago, I went through my suitcase and I recycled anything that, any brick that was less than 30 watts, I recycled. and i recycled any cable that was micro usb except for one just in case just in case you need one yeah and then anything that was like a to c i was like i just

There probably will be a day. Whenever I rent a car from Turo, it's always only gotten a USB-A port. And I'm like, well, now I can't use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. There's a lot of people out there who just buy a cable. That's just convenient. Best Buy kiosk is 100% what these are for. They look nice, so people will be more willing to spend money on them at the last minute. The top comment on the Apple subreddit about these was, is it compatible with the polishing cloth?

That sounds like the Apple subreddit. Shout out to the Apple subreddit. Is the polishing cloth more expensive than these? It's $19. I think it's the same price. Hot take. Yeah, how fast does that charge? Oh, I think I've said this before. I think that one of my hottest takes is that the polishing cloth is worth the money. No, I know.

I think I've said that on the podcast, but it is actually, it's like nano, you know, it's not microfiber. It's like nano fiber. It's so good. You think it's worth $20? Yeah. Yes. I do, actually. Have you bought one? No. But it's come with stuff that I have bought. Wait, this is probably a good time to announce to audio listeners that Adam is not actually on the podcast today. And we are joined by co-host Mariah Zank. It's a cool animation, yeah. Nice.

Well, yeah, that was the big story of the week. We just had to talk about it up top. I know we don't usually get into that stuff on this podcast, but this felt like a big enough story that we had to go there. So I hope you guys appreciate our unbiased coverage. Right. Moving on. There's a story. iPhones may or I guess have now been exempted. This is an ongoing. OK. Yeah. Ongoing development with tariffs. We left off.

last week with some things that have been changing? It's hard to cover tariff right now do you remember the number we left off with last week it was like 20 25 34 34 you know what it was when the episode came out i think it went up 145 145 i think it's in the 200s now it's It's bumped up again. I don't think so. Or maybe that's just something I saw on Reddit and maybe that's not even true.

Who knows, baby. But the story now is iPhones may be specifically exempt from tariffs. So this was one of those big questions that connects to regular people, which is, okay, the new iPhone is going to come out later this year.

Will it be dramatically more expensive than we're expecting because of tariffs? $3,000 is not how much it will cost. That is what everyone online... says to scare you well there were some stories floating around of like lots of these things are made in china a lot they're assembled in china these factories are in china a lot of apple stuff

gets built there. And these tariffs seem to be heavily affecting a lot of these parts. So maybe the iPhone will be heavily affected. So understandably, there's a lot of conversation about it. But, you know, Tim Cook doing his supply chain. wizardry or just politicism or whatever, just has a few conversations. And now the iPhone looks to be exempt from tariffs, at least for the time being. Well, okay. This is as far as I've got. And once again, could change. Exempt from reciprocal tariffs.

Okay. But placed in this different, I kept seeing it called tariff bucket. that It's right now in this weird like thing they're saying called the fentanyl tariff, which is to punish China from importing fentanyl into the U.S. I don't want to go any further into that because I don't understand it. That was an existing tariff that they had. Yeah. And it's for.

It's a punishment. Setting fentanyl precursors to Mexico where it is manufactured into fentanyl. The talk is that within the next couple of months, we might see some different types of tariffs coming to the semiconductor industry. So it's not just Apple, but semiconductor. Yeah. Pretty much everything we've talked about will have some sort of reciprocation.

but I think wanted to say that because I don't think it'll be in the whatever 145% proposed tariff but it will have some tariffs and also we're gonna Try and maybe not talk about numbers of tariffs much here because it's almost impossible for it to ever come out.

at the updated price point yeah by the time this podcast comes out and by the time you listen to it and by the time it's a week later and someone else clicks on it yeah i mean here's the headline threatens new tariffs on smartphones days after exempting them so i just gotta you know it's hard especially on a podcast that we record two days before we release things change multiple times a day

in the current moment. We have a quick turnaround also. We do, considering. So that's the best we can do for now. If we're wrong, I'm sorry. We try our best. Cool. I have two other updates that have come that might be updated slightly to tariffs. Heck yes. Cool. There's a leaker named Billy Bill Coon. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but that's their username.

It's going around that he's found some things about switch to pre-order dates opening in Canada and the U.S. So that's, you know, one thing we've worried about. If it got delayed because of that, what's happening? But it seems... Pretty soon. The Canada might open up on April 23rd and we might see in the U.S. pre-orders opening sometime between the 21st and the 30th, which is next week, right?

long hopefully we'll be able to talk about it next week and i think the most interesting thing there other than you know actually pre-ordering how much it'll cost exactly that's what i'm i'm just so curious if those are the pre-order dates and the price doesn't change i forgot if i asked y'all already are you pre-ordering did you say you would or you were just gonna i went from duh to

Okay. So maybe that's not a pre-order that's like just waiting. I feel like it would probably be smart because I'm probably not going to be one of the people that just like wants to play the new games immediately. So it might be like a... Down the line when it's discounted, maybe I'll get something. Like the console's discounted? Yeah. I think I'm going to be the first time I happen to see it.

sitting in physical stock at like a store and just be like yeah I mean you're probably gonna walk into like a Target or a store you don't expect because they're gonna be sold out from all the obvious places but then you'll see at a random like Barnes and Noble and be like ah

I'm going to buy a Switch 2 today. I really... I want to hold it. That's the annoying thing. I would like to actually... hold it and see how it feels and see if i because i have an oled i have a switch oled so i would like to be like

the higher refresh rate better build quality for a different type of screen yeah that is interesting so i when i went to my hands-on came directly from my regular switch non-oled yeah this i mean that's a huge and it was a night and day difference yeah much bigger screen high refresh rate and all that but I could distinctly tell it was not an OLED. Yeah. And I kind of feel like coming from a Switch OLED, I would be in the same place as you. I would be less...

The OLED has a bigger screen. It has much smaller bezels. It is a little bit thinner. It has way better build quality. It's a bigger battery that lasts longer. It's got a way better kickstand that arguably, I mean, I have not touched the new kickstand. But it seems better than the Switch 2 kickstand. I think they're both just as good as far as like full width and like range of motion and they just hold in place. Yeah. Yeah. So the big things for me are like...

I mean, I don't use my Switch that often, so I probably shouldn't be one of the day. That's just like launching into the consumerism for no reason. Can I ask, you say you want to hold it. I haven't been to the electronics department in a store in a long time, but do they still do the like? Not yet.

Well, not yet, but I'm saying will they do it? Do they still have the tethered console where you have to look eight feet up in the air and crack your neck just to watch it? I don't think they do that in Best Buy. I think you were just a child. But the TV was always on the top of the display with everything. So even now would be above my head. It's like the pinnacle of that subreddit of TV's too high.

OK, but if you find that, let me know, because I'm curious if it actually is too high or if you just remember it. I think it's both. I think because it was angled down. I remember that. So even as an adult, you have to do kind of like this. I think they'll probably have, well, the Joy-Cons, if they can have that same tethered setup, because in the hands-on area, they had tethered Switch 2s.

and you could not remove the Joy-Cons. So everything was like kind of locked in. If they could do that in a store, I think they would. Yeah, if you go to the Nintendo store in Manhattan, they have them available for you to try. Wait, really? Switch 2s?

when i was there it was the other switch but everything is completely tethered do you think with it like okay let's say these leaks are true or these rumors are true that it does pre-orders come out next week and they're the same price do we think it's the same price or do we think it changed because that feels

It was weird that it got delayed, but this isn't that delayed off the riff. So, like, is that enough time to find a new price for it, especially when everything's moving all over the place? I kind of feel like it's still going to be... 4.99 i think it is going to stay the same price because one nintendo already has a bunch in the united states they said two

They are I heard they were allocating like so they produce a number of them in China and a number of them in Vietnam. And I heard that they had just the Vietnam tariffs got basically cut down to just the base 10 percent. And I think I heard that they are going to be using basically all of the ones in Vietnam for the United States because of this whole situation. So I don't think.

And then also, I think they're like, okay, we have enough allocation for the first wave of people that want them, and all of this will probably be settled by June, maybe, hopefully. I don't know. We'll see. I think that's a fair thing. If I had to guess anything... pre-orders come out same price where we see the difference is like a huge delay in first wave to like second wave of like totally getting them in stores like two to three months i could see a really

Really hard to get these if you miss the pre-order. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, other tariff news. Well, other update that might be related. Which is almost definitely, but not allegedly, according to me. The OnePlus Watch 3. which we talked about. It's a very good watch. A lot of people really liked it, and it was at a pretty good price. Remember, it had $329, which is a very good price.

where it said meta in China instead of made in China. In tiny fine print that you had to go check to see. Yeah. And people called it out and OnePlus freaked out and decided to, yeah. It's me, people. Hi. I wouldn't want to be at fault for what they did to it. Look, I put it out there. They took it off shelves and they had a delay and they were like, actually, this is going to ship in April.

I was like, okay. Now it's shipping again. And now it's $500. So it went up $170, which is like 50% price increase. Many reporters have been asking, what's the deal? What's the deal with the tariff? And OnePlus is just not answering at all. So they're not saying we're raising the price because of tariffs, we're doing this, this, this. They're just like, it's $500 now, guys. And it's a very good Wear OS watch.

I don't know if it's a $500 Wear OS watch, but $329, it was a super good Wear OS watch. Fascinating. So that's a fun tariff story. So there's like... three possibilities here of of what i'm imagining could have happened one is the tariffs affecting the price and then they're just accounting for that in the new price yeah two is

And it didn't sell as well as they expected. And so when they took it down and brought it back, they're bringing it back in lower volume and therefore a higher individual unit cost and therefore pricing that in. Or... And tons of people were buying them at 329, couldn't keep it on the shelf. And so while they did take it off the shelf to fix the typo, they brought it back and increased the price to account for that supply and demand. Do you think there's an option of...

It's selling exactly the same, but to make up for the cost of... presumably thousands of watches that can't be sold anymore because of the typo yeah This is to recuperate cost a bit. My question also becomes, did they just replace the bottom plate or did they throw away all the watches they made and then just make new ones? They're all... Boxed and everything. It's manufactured, assembled, boxed, packaged, sealed, probably wholesale shipped already.

I don't know what happens to this. I 100% would have kept it. I would have thought that was funny and a cooler watch. You did keep it, right? I'm wondering if any of our listeners are someone who said, I want to return this and get the... I forget, did they promise you'll get a new watch at the price you paid already? Or did you get your refund and could order it again? Because if I saw...

oh my gosh, now I have to spend 50% more just to have two letters switched around, I would be pretty upset. Right. Especially that they're underneath. Yeah. They're touching your skin all the time. You literally can't even see it. Yeah. I believe they made up for it with customers.

Yeah, OnePlus says they can get a free replacement if they receive the meta version and are bothered with it. I want to talk about one more micro story before we take a break. TikTok is getting its own version of Community Notes. in the US. So these are called footnotes and you can apply to be a footnotes contributor where you effectively leave little community notes on the platform. Probably good. I mean, this is one thing that I think

Twitter has done well. It's like the only thing that they have added to the media ecosystem. Even though it gave Meta an ability to just not do any fact checking and say, we're just going to do community notes instead. And they won't accept me as a community notes author. I've applied like six times. Second best thing Twitter's ever done. Do they say why? No. There is a lot of misinformation spread around on TikTok. Notably, one of my therapists told me.

that there is way too much fake therapy stuff that gets spread on TikTok from people who are not licensed and don't know what they're talking about.

So it's probably good that people can go in and actually fact check things, especially because people just share things that they see all the time without doing any research on them. It is a big challenge. My experience with Community Notes... is not heavy but i remember like wikipedia has you know has a similar system where people can edit things that they see incorrect and then like add citations things like that

And that even that is incorrect all the time and needs more citation and people kind of just edit things that aren't necessarily true. Yeah, I would know. And so. Twitter and social media is like a real time version of that where everyone is fact checking everyone and things are swaying back and forth, oftentimes both wrong. And it's hard to it's hard to have a correct.

solution for all of this. And I think companies like TikTok and Twitter have identified this as probably the cheapest way of having fact checking on their site, but it's not necessarily the.

most accurate thing yeah yeah a way that they're trying to get that accuracy up is that basically you can leave a footnote and then other people can vote on whether or not that footnote was helpful So it's like there's a fact checker person that's fact checking and then other people have to fact check the fact checker to make sure that you're not just like.

spreading misinformation for fun which is a good idea but it's still just a popularity contest until everyone wants to spread misinformation for fun that's true which you know if we know anything about the internet yeah people do love doing that i'm interested in

The only screenshot they show is the page to become a footnote contributor. I want to know where this pops up on a video. Like, is there something that comes up at the bottom? Like, there may be inaccurate information. Is this in the comment section?

I think that's I would argue with the content yeah like 80% of the people watching a TikTok don't go into the comments and TikTok comments mostly never have anything to do with the actual really it's been a while since I've been there but every time I would like watch a video and want to know something more about it and see the comments it would just be like

I don't understand this. What's going on? And like 50 comments just making fun of the person for not understanding. That's interesting. I could be wrong. So we can cut this. But I think Harper was talking about how the TikTok comment section is like dynamic. And so the comments you see might not be the same as the comments someone else sees. That's true about a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if the footnotes will be.

you know available to everyone I don't really know how that'll be different but well it says after it meets the standard of helpful, it will be visible to the community. Yeah. So like Twitter, you know, it almost like quote tweets itself, right? And puts the community note on the bottom. But in videos where there's not a lot of text, there's a description that's usually cut off. It's a good question. Like on the video, or do you have to go into the comments or the description?

see it. Well, anyway, we do have a lot more to talk about, but we should take a quick break. So let's do trivia. I was thinking on that note, because like a community note. Oh, that's pretty good. Thank you. So, guys, we talked about Beats cables earlier in this episode. And I thought this story was so funny because one of the big selling points... of beats back in the day first wave beats was that their cables came from what

audiophile-oriented cable supplier. I remember old Beats. Old Beats were... This was advertised. This was like, hey, Beats headphones use cables. I think I might have... I have an idea I made a video about this Maybe not entirely about it, but I definitely have mentioned it. I'm sure you did. You've been doing beats on and off for years. Yeah, a lot of beats coverage over the years. Okay. Well, hopefully I'm remembering correctly.

That's the first video I ever saw from you, by the way. Which one? It went viral on Reddit. I was sitting in my friend's. It was the top of Reddit. I remember that. I was sitting on my friend's couch. that I was living at at the time. Where were you when it dropped? I remember. Literally, it's burned into my memory. I don't really know why. Anyway. Okay, well, we'll think about that one. The answers will be at the end like usual. And we'll be right back.

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Meta. Not Meta in China. Meta. Meta. The company. Wow. We're doing segues everywhere in this episode. I don't know if it's a segue if it's this far after that. I count it. I'll call it probably Facebook for most of this because a lot of what we're going to talk about is... In the Facebook days. Which is so funny. It is. They're in the midst of an antitrust lawsuit in the U.S. In fact, this week, Mark Zuckerberg is taking the stand to defend himself and his meta company against the FTC.

We're quickly going to talk about it because it really reminds me of when we talked about the Google antitrust case. But if you want like the real in-depth live coverage of it lauren feiner at the verge is always the one who's down in dc covering all of these cases and i'll link it in the description but she has this great page that's just like

pretty much everything about this in order and if you really want to dive into it she's the one to go to but um so What they're going over right now in the court case is if MetaFacebook was creating scenarios where they'd stifle competition versus Facebook and, you know, antitrust monopoly. So the two main things it seems that they're focusing on is purchasing Instagram, which they did for a billion dollars in 2012, and also purchasing WhatsApp for $19 billion in 2014.

What we're discovering during this time is a bunch of leaked emails, which is always the fun part of these cases. And a lot of the things we're seeing is that these purchases were made to... quote unquote neutralized the competition because at the time when they bought Instagram Facebook was working on a camera app and they were doing a lot of photo stuff and

Mark Zuckerberg in an email just said it'd be better to buy them. In fact, there's an email in 2008 that has been referenced a bunch of times already this week. where he literally just says, it's better to buy than to compete, which I feel like that quote in an antitrust lawsuit case is pretty damning. Pretty straightforward. Okay, yeah. My take on this, it feels like we have one of these cases like every year. Indeed. Yeah, we do. Is the...

I've definitely said this in videos before, but companies this big always, whenever they make any public facing decision, especially acquiring a company, but any product decision, they always will be ready with a public facing reason. and a behind-the-scenes reason for why they're doing it.

And both can be true at the same time. So, I don't know, if you're Apple and you're removing the headphone jack, for example, universally everyone's like, wow, they're doing that to just like, you know, charge for wireless headphones. But also... Up front, they're saying courage, and they're saying things like more room inside the phone, et cetera. Both can be true at the same time.

but you know you might feel a certain way about one of those reasons this is like we are seeing very blatantly the behind the scenes reason for facebook acquiring instagram uh it's better to buy than to compete okay well there it is but also the public reason is things like oh there's so much competition in the video space and they do well with video and we're never going to be as big as youtube but this is our chance at being youtube's competition

whatever they're all true at the same time it's kind of like uh ellis might appreciate this sga deserves mvp this year He's on a 68-win team, historically good. He's led the league in points. I think he's top three in steals. He's an incredible defender. He's just having a historically good leading campaign on a very young team. Best player, best team. He deserves MVP. Okay. I like that argument. Jokic.

deserves MVP this year. He's averaging a triple-double. He's had a historic statistical season. His on-off splits are ridiculous. Without him, the Nuggets are a basement dollar team. He had a 60... Like 2010 game or something crazy this year. Like he clearly deserves MVP. Can I ask which one's the monopoly in this analogy? I'm saying both are true at the same time. What is SVG? SGA. I thought it was an audio company. SGA. SGA is the MVP.

Wait, he's a player? Okay, back up, back up. The NBA season just ended this week. Oh, really? And at the end of the regular season... Did someone win? Well, it's the regular season. Then the playoffs are going to start and all the best teams will compete for the championship. But the regular season is over. And once the regular season is over, all of the voting for the regular season awards happens. So about 100 media members, coaches, et cetera, get ballots and get to officially cast.

ballots to vote for who they think should win each award. One of them is the MVP. And this regular season has been one of the tightest MVP races ever because typically... There's kind of one runaway historic, like this guy had an amazing year. Give him the MVP. I don't want anybody else considered. Somebody else might get a few votes here and there, but it's got to be this one person. This year, there are two players.

who, if you ask those teams' fan bases, this guy deserves it. I don't want to hear it about anyone else. And that is Shea Gillis-Alexander for the Oklahoma City Thunder. And that is Nikola Jokic. On the Denver Nuggets. Who is the guy that did the thing where he did...

the multiple things that's hard to do at the same time. I was telling you about the 30-20-20 game. Yeah, we talked about that. That was Jokic this year. He had a couple historic games like that. So it should be him, right? Historically great player, and he deserves it. Yeah. Okay. He deserves it. I guess my tangent here is just to get back on track. Both things are true at the same time.

And even though I might like one of the arguments more than the other, you can kind of just assume they are both true. And that's what... court is for yeah so court's gonna decide court's gonna decide if one of those reasons is unfair or more true than the other or you know whatever so that's

I think they will find that, yes, there were anti-competitive motivations behind a lot of those things. What do they decide to do about it? I think the super TLDR version is, yeah, the FCC is trying to prove that they're... You know, they've got way too much of a monopoly in the social media space, especially with buying those two.

kind of to stifle and neutralize them. Now that's weird to say because WhatsApp and Instagram are like two of the largest social media apps but it's still all owned by Meta with Facebook. I mean Meta's thing has always been let us buy you or we will destroy you that has literally been the that's always been their thing here's a question though when they bought instagram it wasn't nearly as

monopoly-ish and massive and now it is and they've grown into this thing and kind of similar with WhatsApp it was huge already but now it's even bigger and so are they more like punishing for successful growth of those companies, or were they buying their way into a guaranteed monopoly back then? What could happen here, though, which is why I think it's similar to Remember When...

The Google antitrust one, they might have to get rid of Chrome. Which is still possible. It's still possible. Yeah. This could end in the sense of meta getting rid of or having to. having to get rid of WhatsApp or Instagram. Yeah, which is also ironic because there was another email that surfaced where Zuck said, Maybe we should spin off Instagram into a separate company because historically, companies that are separate from the giant companies actually grow more and do better.

And he had said that a number of years ago in an email, and now he is defending why they shouldn't have to do that. This is litigation between a government and a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Who knows when we'll see a result from this? But I think it was interesting to bring up because we covered the Google stuff. And again, there's lots of other reporters.

dealing with the government processes and court cases like this that get really deep into it yeah and i highly suggest yeah can i can i throw to an article that i thought was really really good about this exact topic sure it's a wall street journal article called inside mark zuckerberg's failed negotiations to end antitrust case It's in the Wall Street Journal. It was written by Dana Mattioli, Rebecca Ballhaus, and Josh Dawsey. And there is one really baller quote in it from former Secretary...

not secretary, former head of the FTC, Lena Kahn. And that is, Mark bought his way out of competing. So I'm not surprised that he thinks he could buy his way out of law enforcement too. Also, you know, I was thinking about just like Meta's whole thing being like, what do you mean we're anti-competitive? We're just doing business stuff.

And I think two sort of unrelated things that point to like, OK, bro, is I don't know if you remember all those news stories in Wall Street Journal and also weirdly in like New York Post. about meta engineers in 2022 and 2023 being hired and explicitly told to do nothing. So that they couldn't work at other companies. I mean, every, yeah, every company. That's like a huge joke in the Silicon Valley show. It is, but also like.

Come on. And then also, if you go to Evan Spiegel, CEO of Snapchat's LinkedIn, his bio says... VP of product at Meta because they just steal so many of Snap's ideas. He did that a few weeks ago, yeah. Anyway, like we said, there are many better reporters than us. covering the story in real time. So you should go check them out. Yeah, like that Wall Street Journal article. Shout out to that article and also Lauren and Finer at the Verge. They have a live blog literally just

in real time detailing what's happening at the trial. So you can go check that out. Speaking of competition. We got there eventually. Chipolo. has launched massive tech company Chipolo. Well, I guess this ties into Google and Apple. So competition for AirTags and other Find My devices. Chipolo has famously made a couple products in this category, but they are launching PopTags.

which support both Google's Find My Network and Apple's Find My Network in the same product, which is very cool. They previously sold different devices, different tags that supported one or the other that you could buy. And notably, Chipotle was sort of the first company to adopt Find My after the whole Tile v. Apple situation that we made a video about called Apple vs. the Paradox of Choice. And now they're supporting both... Find My Device from Google and Apple Find My, which is very cool.

you could only use one or the other at a time so you know yeah you can't like have your iphone connected to this tag and also have your friends or your spouses Android phone connected to the tag at the same time. Wait, let's make it simpler. Marques has both an iPhone and an Android phone. Yeah. This Chipolo pop tag could not be findable by both phones. By both phones. Oh, okay. For some reason. Okay. Like, Apple does support multiple people having access to the same Find My device.

object through iOS 18 or whatever. But yeah, you can't be using an Android phone and an iPhone and be using it for both networks. Here's my question. Do you have to choose which network it's on? It uses both. It has the technology for both.

when you set it up for one, it cannot be set up for the other at the same time. But what Andrew's asking is if you put it on the find, Apple's find my network. Yeah. And then you take, you lose your keys in a country solely with Android devices and no Apple devices. You goof.

Will you not be able to see the location? No. Oh, so it only uses one of those networks at a time? At a time, yeah. Well, here's my question. I have an Android phone. I can use the Chipolo app on my Android phone, but I want the... chip to connect to the find my network in the u.s because there's more iphones i don't even do that oh yeah this sucks it probably has to do with a radio thing because they're pinging devices all the time and if it was pinging two sets of

radio frequencies all the time it would die much faster okay i guess it doesn't suck sorry it's still cool this would be cream of the crop if it could hit both or I could pick which one I'm guessing that's against the terms of service to at least one of them which seems anti-competitive yeah right remember that yeah so there yeah remember the lawsuit google

Yeah, so there's other benefits to this. They extended the Wi-Fi range. So it used to be 200 feet on their previous tags is now 300 feet, which is very cool. You can also use them as camera shutters. which is interesting. I think that's why they call them Chipotle pops because I think that they have like a button. Wait, that's awesome. Which is dope. That is really dope. So they have a little more functionality than just an AirTag. And it also has IP55 water and dust resistance.

It comes in multiple colors. It comes in like these bright neon type colors like yellow and green and red, which should be easier to see with your eyes. Which would be nice. So anyway, I think this is kind of nice for people who are thinking of maybe eventually switching to a different mobile phone. Yeah. Which is kind of nice. And also, you know, maybe they're probably more likely to go on like. bigger sale than AirTags are because Apple...

devices don't go on super sale that often. This is the perfect device for Adam because he's constantly switching between devices. That's true. Adam switches from Android to iOS like every other week so this is perfect for him. Yes, this is my thing. How many times do you think he's since he's been on vacation at least twice it's been like over under 2.5 for sure yeah uh they also have a replaceable cr2032 cell battery that lasts about a year

That is, I think, the same battery that the AirTag uses. So it's nice that you can do that. Yeah, I think that's pretty sick. Moving on. Speaking of. networks oh well done ellis very nice that was good find my AI-generated social network. You know what the worst part about social media is? Everything? Yeah. There's a bunch of people there. Yeah, that is the problem. Yeah. You know what I wish was there? No one. Slop.

The Verge is reporting that OpenAI is building its own X-like social media network. That's fun. The network is reportedly focused around ChatGPT's image generation with a social feed. It is currently unclear whether or not it will be built into ChatGPT or it will be a separate product. They just know it's in the early stages and is in development, which is weird and interesting and funny. There are a few different reasons they might be doing this. Obviously...

just like X does, you can just keep collecting data and you can keep adding training data to your systems. That only you have. That only you have. So if OpenAI themselves creates a social network that people post on a bunch, they can just use that information to train more. I'm sorry to cut you off, but if someone harvests data for training purposes from the social media platform and OpenAI is like, hey, that's ours!

That is going to make my blood boil. It would be really funny. The other things, they said it was focused around image generation. We talked about last week, I believe. Or maybe it was two weeks ago. Everyone was getting on the train of making their own AI-generated avatars using Studio Ghibli prompts. So I imagine OpenAI is like... Oh, they also recently announced the infinite context window for ChatGPT, where it remembers literally everything you ever talked to it about.

So I could imagine that maybe it will suggest social media posts that you could make based on things that you've been doing. which is just bad. It reminds me of LinkedIn. When someone changes a job on LinkedIn, there's a button that just says, Congratulations!

Or on Facebook, if you go on, it's like, wish this person a happy birthday. And there's a button that says like, happy birthday, Ellis. It's funny you mentioned LinkedIn because I was reading something the other day, like an old article talking about how over 50% or some. considerably large amount of posts are already AI on LinkedIn. So we already have an AI social media network just waiting for us. We're just burning down the world.

creating a network of information that nobody reads. I think Twitter, a lot of like third party sources estimate is even higher than 50% of. posts on Twitter or from AI or bots. I see a lot of AI generating. I'll post a video on... on twitter or post something and within two seconds get a reply saying great video about the a b c d e f and g because the ai summary just like auto detected and auto replied in two seconds that's that's all over speaking of

The ultimate segue. You didn't give me enough time. Sam Altman might be the new... social media head honcho around these parts obviously when slash if that drop it's going to get a lot of buzz, a lot of coverage. But not every social media startup gets that much coverage. So I have before me...

for real social media platforms that might be flying under the radar. They are all real. They are all real. Instead of having you guess which one is fake, like I normally do, I want you to tell me which of these. Which one has been around for the longest time? Are you ready to hear them? Yeah. A. NoPlace, a mashup of Twitter and MySpace for Gen Z.

1010, a walkie-talkie app, sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C, AirChat, another audio-focused social media network described as a combination of Twitter... And Clubhouse, which is weird because Clubhouse is baked into Twitter now. And D, and I really hope I'm saying this right, jagged. J-A-G-A-T, Jagat, a location-based social media platform for real-time tracking.

Remember when Clubhouse got offered a billion dollars and didn't take it? Mm-hmm. I have lots of memories of failed social networks from last year. From last year. To Google Buzz. T2. To T2. T2, baby. We'll think about this one. Answers at the end. Be right back. Support for Waveform comes from Liquid IV. How do you show yourself some love? Make a nice meal, trip to the gym, or maybe it's as simple as giving your body the gift of extraordinary hydration.

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just almost fell out of my chair. You're so excited. I'm so stoked. Yeah, so this is a new thing. We like to try new things here. And this game was recommended to us by someone on Twitter, the username M100X. So thank you for recommending this game because it seems like it's going to be really fun. So the way this is going to work... I am going to name a popular product or service in the technology sphere with a catch, a catch that does not exist.

in real life. Feel free to ask me any questions about any of these hypothetical scenarios and I will clear it up. You guys, upon hearing... Each one of these hypothetical product services with a cat. will make a blind ranking of 1 through 10. This means you will not know what is coming later. It could be better. It could be worse.

But you will still need to rank it. And hopefully at the end, we have a hilarious list of ranked number one being this is fine. And I would use this number 10 being dear God. of good tech services and products. I think as a baseline between the three of us, On a rating of 1 through 10, how much do we trust Ellis? He is the one feeding it to us in this order. I think we are all on the same page.

a banger for the last one. Second to last one. A banger as in good? We don't know if it's best or worst. Okay, so it's a banger. He probably saved it for the second to last one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we would... think the heat save let's keep that one intense spot open awesome we all distrust ellis and that's exactly where i wanted to get yeah uh let's start off with something little easy Google Maps works exactly the same as it does in real life but You cannot complete a trip.

without picking someone up along the way. And if you think you can get around it, Google Maps will reroute you until you have picked someone up. Like a stranger? It could be a friend. It could be a stranger. It doesn't really matter. But you can't do the trip alone. When you're driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this only applies to driving trips and cycling trips.

Get on my spokes. Stranger, you need pegs on your bike. I feel like I could get around that. I feel like I could have someone waiting for me at each destination and then just pick them up right before the destination. And that's my pickup. Carpools are accepted forms of picking someone up. What do you mean? Okay. Like, like if you have someone come to your house. So basically you just never drive alone. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. That is good for the planet. That's a 10 for me.

It's like the worst thing ever. No, I'm like, I'm kind of, I think this, you know, if it's in the city, I think this is a much more obtainable thing and a lot easier. But if you're in the city, you don't even need Google Maps. You just go by street numbers. If I'm using maps, I'm like going somewhere I don't know. Man, I'm taking the subway everywhere. This is just public transit, guys.

you don't have to be in an enclosed small environment well yes you do but there's a lot of people you know it can be a stranger too let's go sick Let's go six. Are we in agreement there? I think my thing is I do maps on the way home every day and Alex and I could carpool. That would make perfect sense.

It's going to like, who am I going to pick up when I'm going to like, when I drove down to like the Smoky Mountains? When I go to the tire shop, when I go get groceries. I mean, I don't need Google Maps every time, but like. It's going to get annoying. You know, I like this. My sense of direction will explode. Yeah, I have a horrible sense of direction. I think six or seven. I mostly only pick up Ellis when I'm driving here. And then if I use my car otherwise, I usually have a full car.

So what happens if the car is full? That counts. Oh, right, right, right. You don't have to pick up. Yeah, okay. This also implies at some point you will go in a stranger's car. Yeah, yeah. At some point. Really? We do that all the time for Uber, right? Technically, yeah. Five? I could get on board. Also, I think it's smarter to start in the center and move. Agreed. All right. Okay. We're going five. Number two, YouTube with all of its features, subscriptions.

live streams, YouTube TV, YouTube, like everything's the same except in order to use it, you first have to crank a box like one of those emergency flashlights. How long? You know what I'm talking about? One to one with watch time. Is it hard to crank? It's the same resistance as one of those flashlights. Is that a lot? That's hard, right? No, it's not too bad. That's not too bad?

Honestly? One more question. If you're watching the video in 2x speed, do you have to crank for the video time of 1x or what you're watching at 2x? Amazing question. I'm going to say you have to crank for the 1x. Oh, David's screwed. David is going to be jacked. Can't watch podcasts. Why would I just go to the gym, go on the treadmill, and then use the crank?

on the treadmill and then when you're so get a workout in and then go home and now you've got like an hour and hour and a half of you i've been being served these instagram reels it's so dangerous and you should not do it of people literally doing dead like

deadlifts while running sprinting on the treadmill and it's like overhead press yeah overhead press while sprinting on the treadmill probably one of the most dangerous things you could do that has big like face in Saratoga water energy yeah but that would be me with the box Yeah. Multitasking. I like this idea. All right. I want more of a... Yeah. It's payoff. It's kind of like... You guys don't watch as much YouTube as I do. I do. But one, maybe I would watch less. And two...

It would have a direct benefit to watching YouTube. I feel like they should have this but for screen time on your phone. Don't give them any ideas. Yeah, maybe we just got the best start of the year. Million dollar product today. Okay, I'm going to put this on... I'm like two or three on this. four, three, three, three, four, four. I can do four. What's your final answer? I think seven.

really because you're always that much worse than the google maps one for me yeah for me you're gonna proactively no one's gonna proactively do it so sick sick I would say seven. Seven? I would go seven just because you can't crank an hour at the same time. A Nintendo Switch 2. But it is $2,700 due to tariffs. That's fine. It's not that far from reality. I'm not going to give them anyway. One. Totally fine. Can you Klarna it?

You know, I... Straight up or can I do a payment plan? That's not real. Sure. Payment plan. No, I feel like this one needs some extra zing. $2,700 all at once. all at once are games still the same price which is still $80 games are a value if the Switch is $2,700 I would not buy it

Yeah, it would just take me from probably not going to pre-order to just I'm not buying one. Yeah, it would take me from maybe but to absolutely not. So to me, that's like a, I'll put it at two just to be safe, but I don't have any problems. Just so we're clear, you're ranking on... on how much you would enjoy using it, which includes the purchasing.

Oh, so I'm forced into this? Yeah, you're ranking the desirability of actually Perching saying this compared to the other torture I'm hypothetically subjecting you to. Yeah, I feel like right now with the current games available, it's like that.

So not worth it. I'd be so mad. Would you rather spend $2,700 on a Switch or let a stranger join you on every car ride you're in life? For the rest of your life. Only when using. I'd rather spend the money on the Switch, too. Yeah, like I'd probably rather have... I'm here at a three. It was a bad. I would say. Two. It's just money. Two or three. It's just money. Two? It's a lot of money. This is a two. So this next one is Spotify. We all know Spotify. Excuse me, Spotify Premium. Thank you.

So you are paying the normal price for this, whatever it is now. Except they have disabled the ability to skip to the next song. You must listen to every song in its entirety. And every third song is this. And yes, Marquez, this does count on your cardio playlist. He's running full speed and then he's just like... This song is two and a half minutes long. That's not that bad. That's like a pop song. Yeah, but I guess I'll mute it, but like, Jesus. I'm down.

Do you want to do that right now? You know, I have a hot take. Okay. I'm having trouble thinking. I think there's a few bars of seven here and there, but that's a good catch. Can we turn it off? No. No, no, no. We're going to simulate this so you can really... I'm having trouble thinking. But okay. I think that it would help people appreciate music more because they'd have to listen to the full album again. They would never listen to a full album.

Why? Because you'd hear this like six, you know, like four or five times. You'd hear this several times. It's two songs, this song. Two songs, this song. Yeah, you could... You couldn't listen to an album cover to cover because you have to listen to this every time. This is kind of making my skin crawl a little bit. We are halfway through the song. I listen to hundreds of hours of music every month. This is tough. Four? This is worse than the Google Maps one.

My two greatest things are like, I drive alone and with music. If you're going to force me to do one or the other, this is brutal. I'm just imagining the guy you pick up for your trip and this comes on and you're like, I'm so sorry. Eight? Ugh. You think it's an eight for you? For me, it's like a six. I would probably be on the top five part section, but. You don't listen to that much music, then. I could do it. No, but...

Where it would really hit me hard is Lane is super particular about music that I turn on where she just starts screaming. No, no, no, no. She hates almost every song unless it's the five little ducks song. And so she would just be in the backseat.

screaming oh she's gonna learn to love this song and you can't skip any other song so if you put a different song on and it's not the right song you oops yeah i have to listen to the whole song guys the song is almost over so i need a number in the next five seconds What? Sorry. What do we have? Six. Six is open. Six is open. Six. Six. All right. Up next, iMessage, but you are limited to one-syllable words.

That's money. Have you ever played a game like I am a cat? I am not a cat. Yeah. Hi, Dave. Dave. You take me to work. Have you played the game poetry for Neanderthals now? Yeah, that is what this is based on. I am really good at that game. So this is a game based on where you have to try and explain something to someone, but if you use more than one syllable in one of the words, somebody has a blow-up mallet next to you and you hit them in the head with it.

Oh, that's how I talk. That's how I talk. You pick me up in car? That is so fine. What song this? You can just say what song is this? This podcast would be awful. If we could only talk in one single word. Not really. Why are we here this again? why my ears no like why we hear this now I think this is fine okay so one or two or two's already taken so one or three so it's just on iMessage just on iMessage oh

Yeah. The efficiency is through the roof. Yeah. That's a one. Yeah, one. What does Kevin say in the office? Why say more when less do the same? Okay, okay, okay. Well, on that tip, Gmail, exactly the same it is now, still free. Gmail. And this one is actually inspired by one of MX100's suggestions. Gmail, accept every 100 emails you get. there is a 50% chance that all of your communication records get deleted. So text messages, answering machine, all your emails across every email account.

So they all get deleted every day because I get hundreds of emails a day. Marquez would have 100% chance pretty much because of that. Oh, yeah. His inbox... Sounds like this is not for him. I've been playing too much Bellatro. Do you get emails in Bellatro? No, but there's just too many multipliers and chances and like... Oh, you got statistics on the brain. So just to get this straight, every hundred emails you receive...

There is a coin flip of deleting all records of all of your communications across every service. Wait, I thought it was a one in 100 chance. It's every 100 emails. There is a 50% chance. And I will say, I'll give you this. All of your tweets stay up. All YouTube, like, all social channel posts remain intact. Public posts. All private communications get destroyed.

It's funny because of how many people younger than us use Snapchat to communicate where this basically just happens on purpose. Fair enough, but you also have to talk to your accountant. Well, okay, the benefit of this is that you have to write everything down. You'd have to like...

put things in your calendar immediately and like which i do yeah it would help people stay more on top of it instead of relying on their email as a second brain you know what i mean it would for sure ruin some things but maybe it's manageable think about how free you

feel this burden is lifted honestly yeah i try to get to inbox zero like every six months and if this just did it for me i'm kind of down for that i guess yeah the way around this would be anytime you ever get any communication with anything you need to see

like to save like someone sends you a concert ticket you immediately have to save it just to make sure if anyone sends you a date or an address you have to save it somewhere else yeah because all of your communication records are probably going to get deleted the next day I actually like that

The more I think about it, the Gmail search sucks so bad anyways, so I can barely go back 12 emails. That's true. So maybe it's not that much different. Text messages, though, add this as a feature. I'm starting to think this isn't that bad. Yeah. I kind of already saved everything anyway. We already used one and two, so let's use three.

I think it would encourage people to actually be proactive about the things they get in their email. And I like that. So this next one is another coin flip one. It's a little different. Stats. It's Venmo. But whether you are sending or receiving the given amount is decided by a coin flip. I love that. And this applies to all users of Venmo. Meaning if your plan is to be like, oh, if I accidentally send this to you, send it back.

Coin flip. So if I have to send Marcos $500, it flips a coin and he might have to send me $500. You're saying my landlord could pay me? Yeah, what the heck? It's interesting because I don't use Venmo that much, so it'd be kind of funny. And I think I could work with that. If you're the one who's always paying other people to be the one that pays for things like because of dinners and stuff, it's way in your favor because there's just a chance that you make money. But if you're an opt recipient.

No Venmo transactions. That would suck. You could end up just owing people a lot of money. That you're already paying. I think this would... What's the baseline of the most expensive thing you've sent on Venmo? Mine's like $20 to $50. I sent $5,000. Oh, I have a way this could potentially suck. You are limited to $7,000 a week.

yeah that's actual Venmo terms of service I'm just saying like in general I'm mostly paying people back for like we got food yeah here's my part of the bill here's my burrito so like That'd be kind of fun every once in a while. Sometimes I get a burrito and 50 bucks. If you agree to it with your friends, I think it would be kind of fun. Yeah, I think that could be managed.

with reasonable amounts of money my only thing is the tip jar on several social networks including twitter is just a link to venmo so people could just constantly force you to pay the coin Until you get money from people. It would be better if it was PayPal and they took a transaction fee. And that way you would just be losing money. Yeah, it's like I go, I see the tip jar, I go donate a dollar. And coin flip, I end up like having to pay a dollar. Okay, next one, two dollars.

coin flip i paid again okay five dollars and you just keep going until eventually the coin flip is in your direction and you made money and then you leave as someone who doesn't have to like pay rent through venmo or anything yeah i'm super into this but i do think if there was somebody who was significantly like paying their roommate over hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

this would be like I think this is an app idea if you were paying your roommate or paying your rent on Venmo this would be a good thing because in theory six months out of the year, you would get your rent paid back. Okay, but if you're the person collecting, or even the roommate who's the one collecting from the other roommates. Then this becomes a very difficult proposition. It's only bad for the people that are actually owed money in real life.

Yeah. It's potentially good for everyone else. I guess that's a four. I'll go four on this. I could see how in situations where this could be like... 15th. All right. So guys, we have three left. And eight, nine, and 10 is what you have available. I would like to take this moment to publicly apologize. because I don't think I stole any of these ideas from you, but these are all very Sorin Iverson coded things. So if I did accidentally...

have one of your hilarious tweets lodged so deep in my brain that I didn't realize I was stealing from you. I humbly apologize. And we can't move any of these around, right? No. Anyway, last three. Are you guys ready? All right. iPhone. 16 Pro Max. Everything is the same, but it gets really hot all the time. And I don't mean like too hot to touch, but like pretty close. I think I can work with that. Even if it's in your pocket? All the time. If you put it in a case, what happens?

It's just a good amount of case. I'm okay with that. What? Because my phone is either in my dash for navigating or in like a seat next to me or on my desk. I'm not really holding my phone that much. If I am. What about when you're using it? Then I'm like, okay, it's hot. And then I put it down. It's not too hot. But it's almost too hot. It's not like so hot that you touch it. You're like, ah.

But, like, you would not want to be holding this thing for more than, like, how long? For more than two minutes? One minute? 30-ish seconds. That's fine. That's fine. Do we know if it's safe? I put it up in a little stand. You know what I would compare it to?

A toaster. You ever made a quesadilla and you're like, I'm not getting a spatula out. It's not like I'm holding this quesadilla. You're like whipping it over. Yeah, that's what I would compare it to. You whip it from the pan to the plate. Yeah, or, you know, the flip. So quesadilla time. I think I could work with that. Do we know it's hot and safe or we don't know why it's getting that hot? It's not going to blow up. It's not going to catch up. It's just annoyingly hot. I'm going to say nine.

We're only between 8, 9, 10, and I feel like it's safest. This one, honestly, to me, is like 3 or 4, so it's not that bad. What? Just don't hold your phone. What about what's in your pocket? Don't put it in your pocket. Unfortunately are not available.

How are you going to bring it anywhere with you? Put it in a bag, put it in a sweatshirt pocket, put it somewhere else. Gloves. As long as it's not touching you. Gloves, yeah, excellent. Or in the middle of summer. I mean, eight's our best option. I think that's an eight. That's fine. All right. That's insane. Funny that really hot phone is somehow less desirable. I really think it's a nine, guys. That mo 50-50 coin flip. Ring doorbell. Oh, no.

as one of those old school Amazon buy buttons. You can set it to whatever product you want, but it must be more than $15. And it is something that will be shipped to me. Every time someone comes to your house and rings the doorbell. And it's not advertised. People don't know they're doing this. That's so funny. Okay, my doorbell rings.

Almost never gets rung, so this is totally fine with me. Mine's pretty rare. Set it to something convenient. David lives in an apartment, and the buzzer to his door, the front door of his building counts. tough well and like you can ring different apartments but i have the first apartment on the first floor and so when delivery people show up for not me they always ring my apartment so you get a lot of buzzes every day a lot so you're gonna be

That's kind of tough for you. What do you buy a lot of? Guys. Halloween. I get one or two a year. Halloween, you sit on the porch already. Put some candy out. Where I'm in Brooklyn, nobody knocks on my apartment door. so yeah yeah there are ways around this um you put a little uh you put a little doorbell broken post it and say knock instead or something oh something like that so what do i need toilet paper for 15 bucks yeah pick something you need once a month Mine gets rung like once a day.

Pick something you need. Kodak film. We said there's a minimum value to the purchase. $15. $15 a day? That's like a meal. Just have it like ship a dinner to you every day. Just DoorDash. There's dinner waiting for you every day at home. It's not bad. Because somebody rang a doorbell. But Amazon? Amazon is fresh.

Whole Foods. Well, it's between nine and ten. This is not as bad as some of the others. It's still going to bankrupt me, though. Let's be real. Fifteen bucks a day. But you won't be hungry when you're getting bankrupt. That's true. I'll say nine. Nine. Yeah. I like how the one that we don't know, which could be like

It's your laptop, but every time you type on it, a puppy appears and you get to pet it. And we go like, this is the worst thing on the list. It's iMessage, but on Android. So I have one in reserve that I was thinking about being like. It's Books Palma 2, but it's a phone. But I, you know, I don't want to see that at the bottom of this list. Yeah, that would have been one for me. So instead... Books Palma 2 is not even different. I will do this one. Hot take. Uber.

normal uber you are a passenger not a driver in this scenario instead of music playing over the car's audio system it is a LLM with generated speech telling you and your driver about every embarrassing thing you have ever done. The whole ride is a, in fact, we'll say it's a celebrity of your choice narrating the worst moments of your life in front of a stranger. We have to do 10 because it's the only thing left, but...

I would do one. Really? No way. I really like telling strangers embarrassing facts about myself. Do you want to hear the embarrassing facts about the stranger? No, no, no, no, no. That would only happen if you're the driver. It's about you. It's always the path. It's the AI is telling the driver.

about the passengers. Oh. Yeah. Embarrassing moments. I thought we were hearing both of them. Then they wouldn't have to talk to me. No, no, no. The AI. You get in a stranger's car and are just immediately judged. I love that. I would honestly give this a one. Didn't you guys have an Uber driver in Austin that said, I'm not your typical Uber driver, and then raced to the hotel? Yeah, got to the airport, and we made our flight. That's true. Mariah, would you be so kind as to read out?

Our list of winners. Wow. What a list we have here. We went through a journey together. By that, I mean eyewitness. a journey happen. So number one on your list, we have the I message that only allows you to send one syllable messages. That is fine. I think that's a good spot. Yeah. I can send one. word message and number two on our list we have the switch to but it's dummy expensive tough that's a tougher one yeah and then third you put the email

like deletion gamble thing. Just be proactive with that. And then number four, you guys settled on Venmo 50-50 coin toss. if you get paid or not. I just think that's fun. That's just funny. Yeah. I'm never going to be the one that pays for dinner though. They can do that for April Fool's. Oh, my God. That would be the best April Fool's tech thing ever. Global financial. But it's a prank. It's just a prank. Number five, you guys put the Google Maps carpool pickup.

That one should be a 10. Honestly, I think it should be lower. I'm more anxious about it, for sure. That one really stressed you out. Yeah. Yeah. Should be lower. Number six is the awful Spotify song that plays. That should also be really low. Why did we put that at six? Dude, I thought it was going to get worse. I'm the one that suggested that. Those are the two worst ones. I suggested six. I regret my decision. It's kind of growing on me. It won't.

Number seven, you guys have the manual operated YouTube crank machine. Maybe that should have been nine or ten, honestly. Then the really warm phone. Yeah, the number eight, you had the really warm iPhone. Not too hot, just a little warm. I mean, kind of hot, right? And then number nine, the ring camera that orders stuff from Amazon every time it's pressed.

That's also horrible. So I'm glad that's nine. And then number 10, you had the embarrassing AI Uber ride. I just did my like, OK, we did the blind rankings. That was fun. My actual order is number one, the expensive Switch 2. It's going to sting, but it's a one time thing.

Totally doable. I can work with that. Number three, really warm phone. Just put it down. Number four. What is it? A discipline thing? It's just like I only hold my phone for like typing things like and scrolling. So I'll just scroll less and I'll just put it on a stand when I need to watch a video. I just don't need.

Number four is the Gmail gambling deletion, just like low-key make me more proactive at saving things I need. I like that, yeah. Number five, Venmo 50-50. That's starting to get kind of funny, but all right, interesting. Number six, embarrassing Uber LLM. You know, the Uber drivers just want five stars. They're not going to make a big deal about it, but it will be kind of annoying.

But you don't have to talk to them then. Exactly. So I just sit in the back and I just hear the story and they go, oh, that's totally fine, man. Five stars. And I'll be like, yeah, you didn't have to say anything. Unless it's really embarrassing. Number seven, ring camera, doorbell rings. My doorbell rings not that often, but it would be kind of annoying for that to charge me and send something that I don't need.

The Google Maps carpool pickup every time. I hate this one so much. I just hate this one. Number nine, the Spotify, you can't skip songs and every third song is that song. I'd rather die. And then number 10 for me is... I can't watch YouTube unless I proactively crank a box for the length of that YouTube video. I just... would not be the person I am today. Have you heard of Vimeo?

there's nothing there you know what's super funny about that is like the meta right now on YouTube is really long videos nobody would be making video essays anymore this podcast you'd have to sit and it's not possible it's not possible all your numbers would skyrocket that's true yeah so there that was fun that is that's my ranking dang yeah i think that's a decent ranking what's your just redo your one in ten dude my one in ten yeah all right My one is definitely the embarrassing Uber.

yeah that's crazy i He's like, yeah, one of them is like just a Nintendo switch Yeah, but it's expensive. That's a really expensive switch. A one-time switch or a lifetime of LLMs telling people what you did. Lifetime cannot be more expensive. Than the Venmo one. Number 10. So the worst possible one on here. Honestly, crankable. YouTube. I'm against you guys. I would be... Maybe a really warm phone. Really? If it's that hot, dude. Just...

We're talking about a phone. It's just over there. I want to hear your, I want to hear using it right now. Can I hear a one in 10 out of Ryan Ellis? You know what? Actually, never mind. Wait, wait, wait. Really quick. Not really one phone because I get my screen time down. That's a good thing. I'm going to go with Crankable YouTube. Okay. Yeah. Do you guys want to participate? No. That's all right. I'm all set. I'm very risk averse. And I think the Venmo thing would drive me crazy.

I think I would just stay awake at night. Just never be the person that's like buying dinner in your mind. Or I would just always be like, my Venmo would strictly be like, I need to pay you for... this singular meal that we're all splitting the bill yeah i don't know and it's a ten dollar swing i don't want to be that guy i don't want to be you know what i mean i don't want to put my friends in that position but i don't know i forgot about them

I want free rent, baby. My number one is the Venmo one. Anyway, I know you guys hearing me talk for the past 40 minutes, but... Oh, right. Real trivia. It's time. We have actual trivia. Question number one. Beats cables, they're here, but when Beats was OG Beats back in the day, they advertised what... audio file centered cable company as being their cable supplier. Google Gemini.

Wait, they got rid of Gemini? No. That was so fast. Oh, but Google Assistant's going to be on there soon. Yeah. Yeah. Google Bard. Oh my god, I forgot about Bard already. Bard. Oh. Project Aura. Wait, what was Bard? That was Gemini before Gemini. Way better than Gemini. It was the earliest LL. Bard was better. Really? As a name, I think. Oh, oh, okay. What do you guys have? Who wants to read? We've literally all written Monster. We've all written Monster. Wow.

That almost never happens. That's crazy. I didn't know they were an audio center. I always remember the gold-plated HDMI cables. They had CES once, and didn't they have, like... Like Shaq come in or something? I think they're one of those companies that back in the day, because they're from the 70s. You know, they've been making cables for a while. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. It's plugged in. All right. Question number two. Which of the following social media platforms is the oldest?

A. NoPlace, a mashup of Twitter and MySpace for Gen Z. B. 1010, a walkie-talkie app, sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C, AirChat, another audio-focused social network described as a combination of Twitter and Clubhouse. Or D, Jaget, a location-based social media platform for real-time tracking. This is, we're looking for the oldest one. All right, who would like to go first?

You two said the same thing. Marquez and I both said D. Jaget. That, unfortunately, is incorrect. Jaget is from March of 2023. That means it's B. I said A. Unfortunately... A is from July of 2024, making it newer than Jagged. We're referencing Myspace in 2024? No place. I went on basically just trying to, what was the oldest company referenced in all of those? It's not a bad strat, but unfortunately the oldest one here is...

1010 from September of 2022. Yeah. Those are all very recent. Air chat was like an early last year or late 2023 thing. April 2024. Good job. Yeah. Wow. Everyone jumped on that and they were like, Maybe. And then no. No. Anyway, no one got that last question correct, meaning our scores leaving this episode. Andrew. You, my friend, are carrying the one with eight points. Marquez, you are in a cool second place with 18 points. David, in the lead. with a shocking and intimidating...

19 points. Hotter than that phone. Hotter than that phone, indeed. Wait, so how is Indra carrying the one? I have no idea. I thought that was the way we told Andrew, like, hey, you're not winning, but do a great job. No, it used to be because I had one point. yeah really yeah i don't remember that i thought it was just colloquial all right yeah you're doing good man yeah

I thought you were behind by one point. Sorry. I thought it was. I'm sorry. So anyway, thanks for watching and for listening to this doozy of an episode. We covered quite a bit, of course, from the elephant in the room.

the braided cables all the way to the end uh to our favorite game let us know if you have any feedback comments questions concerns make sure you subscribe make sure you like make sure you comment catch you guys very soon in the next one next week on your regular scheduled programming Peace. And make sure you follow us on the new OpenAI, AI-generated social media platform. If it happens.

I won't be joining yet. Yeah, neither do I. Okay. Oh, and thanks, Mariah, for being here. Thank you, Mariah. Bye. Oh, thanks. Bye. Thanks. Yeah. Waveform was produced by Ellis Rovin and Mariah Zink. Our intro outro music was created by Vane Sill and we're part of Vox Media Podcast Network. That was a different order because it wasn't the same as usual and I can't do things like that. Bingo.

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